‪@metal_complex‬

This is my reaction to Metal Complex video released on July 15, 2024 • I Broke The Maxace Vor...
Seemingly, his policy of giving knife makers every possible excuse not to deliver reliable knives, backfired when, during his first ever tough use knife test, he nearly gets injured by a Chinese-made wunderwaffe object resembling a Kukri.
#edc #knife #everydaycarrygear

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Edit: An important update: MC and I exchanged several emails. Here’s what I would like to make public: 1. He concurred with my technical assessment of the knife’s failure in his video. 2. I concurred that I have no accurate knowledge of his channel’s financial interests and my statements that may inferred otherwise should not be construed as accurate. 3. We considered further analysis of the knife in this video and decided that that would not be of value at this time. 4. He stated that he does not expect me to delete this video and that he has no problems with me providing balanced and accurate critique in regards to his content. 5. I stated my outmost respect for the amount of work that he is doing. So! My next reaction video is in the works and I will apply lessons learned here to any future content of similar nature! What does our tribe think about his first ever hard use knife test?

[@olaf_industries]

Makes sense, but we got you ;)

[@mathewrculbertson]

I was glad to see the video. Good test.

[@BladeWalker77]

It is a good test with questionable conclusions. Trying to force reality into his expectations or trying to not loose a good collaboration as you suggested.

[@HarryBallsich]

I agree it was his best video.

[@ElChacal7]

Brother, so does this mean that “lightening” cuts on a fixed blade would be better off rounded than squares to better disperse internal stress?

[@GG-ml3vr]

Treat any folder badly enough and it WILL fail.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Sure.

[@CorruptionManX]

I would really like to see a stress test with Tri-ad, Super, Deadbolt, Atlas and Shark Locks. Much is said about the strength and resistance of these locks but little is done to prove it.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

This can be arranged.

[@CorruptionManX]

@@CuttingBoardRxAwesome, thanks!

[@HarryBallsich]

​@@CuttingBoardRxyes please.

[@Rick-dzm]

There's HOURS of footage of tri-ads being beaten against rocks and bricks and not one has ever failed in anyway. The blades and handles will shatter first

[@CorruptionManX]

@@Rick-dzm But basically only about the Tri-Ad Locks, many tests done by third parties and some by Cold Steel against other companies which I always tend to doubt a little, although I believe the Tri-Ad Lock is the strongest. I would like to see the other locks tested; I have seen a relatively significant number of tests with the Dead Bolt, but I haven't seen anything significant with the Super Lock, very little with the Atlas Lock, and it failed in one test, and I haven't seen any tests with the Shark Lock. It would be cool to have a centralized test with all these knives to see if the difference in the strength of their locks has any practical difference in day-to-day use.

[@Logan2070]

Maxace makes decent $50 to $150 range knives, the problem is they charge more, much more than that for knives that are not worth the increased price.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Good point!

[@tacticalcenter8658]

They use 59rc m390 and hard use it. Lol

[@DavidFernandez-sc5ws]

He showed that it broke. And has a point. If you’re going to do that kinda thing. Use a fix blade….. Any folding knife can fail if abused enough. Oh and what folding knife could you save someone from a car from?

[@just9911]

Cold steel and extrema ratio both make folders you can punch through sheet steel with… go watch Joe X’s videos.

[@heretikpapy]

Have you seing the knife? Abusing? Damn if that knife can't do simple battoning, for that big and bold knife... than it's very stupid to buy and bring them. They don't support the work they are supposed to do.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

When i baton or chop with a frame lock, i disengage the lock, so no pressure is applied to the lock. Cant really do that with a framelock.

[@attila5221]

angry knife lenin at it again

[@Zeet-ZBR]

I think there is place on YT for different styles of reviews and we all should respect each other and content. I watch MC all the time and it is goto channel for me to see what is trendy now, but your channel is extremely important! It shows people limits of folding knives, limits which if you discover by a chance very often is too late... Thanks for your work and let MC be MC as it is also great :)

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@Zeet-ZBRThis was in no way intended as CBRx vs. MC video. I especially admire him for publishing the video instead of just shoving it under a rug. Edit: the rest of the comment is my speculation an assumption. He’s taken a huge risk to his income source and I’m being absolutely sincere when in say that in the video!

[@Zeet-ZBR]

@@CuttingBoardRx Once again thanks for your channel. Keep up good work! It is so important to understand limits of your knives. You help saving money and fingers :)

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxit isn't a risk to my income at all. Stop talking about things you don't know anything about. I post whatever I want to post based on what I think is interesting. My channel isn't that complicated.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@metal_complex MC! Thanks for clarifying! I will not make assumptions about your income in my future reaction videos! Just please continue to test some knives!

[@metal_complex]

​@CuttingBoardRx thank you. If you would like a fully transparent "map" covering exactly how I run my channel and how I generate revenue without having to rely on fake or fluffed reviews, please email me. I am more than happy to share this info with you and anyone else who wants it.

[@ed2335]

Looks like a flaw in design of liner lock at minimum. MC seems to not enjoy stepping on toes. Probably doesn't want to lose flow of free knives🤔

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Not just free knives! He gets paid via affiliate links by the companies he promotes!

[@plasticoflamingo2952]

He abused the knife in a way it was never intended to be used, in the first place. No need to be snotty to him, or Maxace. Instead of being jealous, go and start your own knife channel. Do the things you want, and when no knife makers will give you knives, because you criticize them for not doing things they were never intended to do, you can reflect on why you are a failure.

[@just9911]

@@plasticoflamingo2952 so explain why they put a secondary pin on the knife. Extrema Ratio puts secondary pins on their knives and you can cut into an APC with those beasts. It’s obvious to anyone being honest with themselves that they were trying to go after the hard users yet the knife couldn’t handle stuff that a FRIGGING BUGOUT can survive.

[@windowbreezes]

It's more like a Machete. a slicer fixed blade, not a heavy duty.

[@just9911]

@@windowbreezes … tell me you don’t know what a machete is used for without saying it directly.

[@HarryBallsich]

I actually have a lot of respect for him to do that video. It showed me all these large folders are junk. And liner locks are what take the stress. They are large toys. Could you imagine if someone did that to the mid guards fenris, or other massive liner lock knives? Out of the large knife tubers I've seen him call out companies many times.

[@TheWatcher60401]

I don't trust liner locks, period.

[@ekirenrut]

He seemed out of his element. I hope he didn't ruin those soft-looking hands! But for serious, I did the worm gear zip tie and duct tape on my precision adjust. They have definitely improved stability. Didn't have much play anywhere else, and always pinch the rotating blade mount back against the base manually. This helps to mitigate sag. Appreciate your sharing knowledge! 👍

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@ekirenrut glad I could help! I turned down an affiliation offer from TS Prof, they were going to gift me a Pioneer and offered 7% commission. I turned it down because that would be a conflict of interest for an independent review channel.

[@Double-Exposure]

The German language has a fun term with an interesting origin for you & what you are doing here, utilizing MC’s popularity for a “reaction video” that is bound to get a lot of attention (and plenty comments from the hardcore-"tough-dude"-knife-trolls coming out of the woodwork): Trittbrettfahrer I subscribe to and watch lots of channels within the knife and DIY community to learn stuff, including yours. In fact I really like what you are doing in some of your videos - as an example I adopted your tips and tricks how to modify the Worksharp Precision Adjust to make it more solid. Thank you for that! A few channels I watch solely to be entertained by, and MC sits comfortably on top of that short list. To me it’s knife porn and I watch almost all of his videos (sexy looking footage + hilarity = good times) - the Maxace Vortex video was one of the very few I skipped, having neither interest in that type of knife nor in watching a hard test video by MC as I follow others for such content. Your “compliment” how this was one of his best videos and calling for more hard testing feels disingenuous. He states ad nauseam that he is a design reviewer and not someone putting knives through the wringer. MC owes “us”, the community, nothing and I always cringe when content creators utilize other channels’ popularity - or as you coined it “celebrity” status - to get attention. I find it transparent and unbecoming and it clearly brings out some of the worst here in the comments with their meaningless grievances about a channel that is not yours. To all the losers commenting, bitching and complaining about ANY KZbinr and their FREE content that YOU don’t find valuable according to YOUR priorities and interests: Don’t tell others that their efforts (especially if it’s their full-time job and what feeds the family) are useless to you. No one cares about YOUR negative feelings about free content that YOU chose to watch - it’s douchy. So if you fashion yourself as a tough guy, be a man, stop whining, learn when to stfu and find a way to add value here or elsewhere, not subtract.

[@mel87123]

Ironically, there seems to be a lot of hostility in your statements. But, I clicked on your profile and it offered some insight. You are in fact being very negative by "bi#chin$ and complaining" about commenter opinions posted in an open forum. Referring to people that one disagrees with as "losers" is pretty low class. I understand your point about content creators owing their viewers nothing, but I don't agree with it. I think people who call themselves reviewers should disclose any conflicts of interest they may have, such as the knife was free, they received a kick back, their brother owns the company, etc. Maybe this gentleman discloses conflicts of interest. I haven't watched enough of MC content to know. Also, any content creator, film maker, designer, artist, or photographer who puts material out there should not be surprised when people express their opinions about a work. Art is supposed to evoke a response. If creators don't like being critiqued, maybe they are better off keeping their creations private. People should be civil, but they have the right to express their opinions.

[@EDCandLace]

"They got their geometry right" tells you exactly how much MC contributes knowledge to the community. Dude literally provides nothing of value to the community except give aways.

[@metal_complex]

For liner engagement* Meaning "the liner engages the tang well enough to keep the lock in place during normal use". This was implied. Guess I needed to be more specific

[@metal_complex]

​@@just9911roughly 30%

[@TheDemocultis]

That's a very dim witted idea. I say go watch some more of his videos to see exactly what he offers to the community. The giveaways are his way of giving back BECAUSE he gets so many free knives. It's insane the way some of you cut him down but I bet you'd love to be in his shoes.

[@johngibson4823]

I love your videos you are our guy who represents the consumer in the knife community.Thank you.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

And thank you for all the support!

[@WillEDC]

Everyone has their place in the knife community. This is not his forte

[@CuttingBoardRx]

His forte is selling knives.

[@JSA-SL]

I'll be honest. I didn't see the video of the metal complex. He's not a test guy. I'm here watching a video talking about that guy. and YES. I'm a subscriber of MC and also people like "tristate edc" and "best damn edc" just cuz they got the newest thing on the market but sorry. These guys are so fucking boring waving his knives around like dorks thinking they are the coolest guys in the community Thank God this channel exists. Cedric and Ada and my bois DBK

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@JSA-SL Well, we all need to realize that if they weren’t showing the knives off, the companies wouldn’t send them samples, right? Then you wouldn’t get to see the newest thing!

[@SirGalath]

My average interaction with metal complex videos: Click, skip to the part the knife is out of the box, see the knife, close video. Theres nothing else of value on those videos 😅

[@CuttingBoardRx]

That’s why he stopped showing knives on the thumbnail unless it’s a very popular one. If you can’t tell what you’re looking at, you will click on the video and now KZbin algorithm will show it to folks with watching profile similar to yours. More views that way.

[@TerminalM193]

This is litteraly the EXACT same way I navigate his channel.... A few weeks back I started adding time stamps to the point where the knife finally comes out of the box. One got 100+ thumbs up and another got almost 1k and both got deleted LMAO

[@NonScientificBladeTesting]

Love it! As a mechanical engineer myself i agree with your critique!

[@quickcuts3000]

knife lenin is fired up in this video. keep the faith comrade!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

LMAO that would be a great name for a Russian-language knife channel

[@danielleclark-zack864]

@@CuttingBoardRx Careful man, ignore that lol. Just like in real life (probably more-so online), any acknowledgement to a nickname might make it stick! Just gotta pretend it never happened... Like the *U.S.S.R.* ...

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@danielleclark-zack864 😂 if you know who Jim Cramer is, he’s already called Stock Market Lenin! Knife Cramer?

[@LIE4ME]

Knife Lenin 😂😂😆... I can't unread that! Wait, now I hear an accent watching the video 🤦🏽‍♂️!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@LIE4ME why not Knife Cramer? The stock market guru? You know, from CNBC? “Don’t Buy! Don’t Buy!” He was even featured in Iron Man? Why does it have to be a communist dictator?

[@poncho151]

The amount of downplaying and excusing he does is disappointing and very characteristic of someone who doesn’t wanna lose a free product relationship…

[@CBxDeathgrip]

I commented on his video when it was uploaded that Maxace should not have used a liner lock for a hard use knife.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

I have Andre DeVillers Pittboss button lock that is about the same size and it has a safety on the side, I beat the living crud out of it and no problems. It can be done!

[@CBxDeathgrip]

@@CuttingBoardRx I'll have to look into that one!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@CBxDeathgrip it’s expensive though, South African maker.

[@mikeking6686]

IF HE DOES A NEGATIVE REVIEW, ITS AFTER WE ALL BOUGHT ONE

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Or when someone sends him a knife from their personal collection, there was another popular dude on KZbin who critiques the crap out of a knife he’s not selling and then shows 3-4 more that he says are great and offers Amazon links for those. He stopped doing this after I called him out.

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxyou're still on this? Do you need specific examples or are you more interested in ignoring me and continuing with this narrative? I sent you an email. Are you going to respond or would you rather pretend I'm bought and paid for?

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxI get it, it would be embarrassing if you were forced to acknowledge you didn't look into my channel well enough to know for sure... but on the topic of being called out, I'm doing that. To you. Right now. I have 4300+ uploads. Would you care to wager that I can't provide tons of examples to prove you wrong? Spoiler alert: I can.

[@mr61sprite]

🍿

[@blockbuster6076]

@@CuttingBoardRx "Neeves Knives" ??

[@brr8888]

He must’ve confused it for a Triad lock🤦‍♂️

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Nah. He’s not stupid. He wasn’t expecting real criticism.

[@mileswatto6221]

metal complex is nice for seeing new knives as they release, but i dont turn to him for quality reviews. He kind of just flicks every knife open and gushes about it. I am more interested in reviews about knives as a system (like you do).

[@rebellucy6200]

Different styles. MC has never claimed to be a heavy stress test of his knives. 90% of EDC knife owners are not chopping down trees. This channel goes deeper into the engineering.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@mileswatto6221well, a little conservative feedback doesn’t hurt the content creator and helps the community.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@rebellucy6200 thank you!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Thanks for being a subscriber!

[@just9911]

⁠@@CuttingBoardRxI don’t want to be “that guy”, but I think you meant constructive feedback. Though I guess my reply is an example of constructive feedback. You make amazing content and immediately joined the ranks of my favorite knife channels alongside Cedric & Ada, DBK, and Ericasedc.

[@Mikey_Trailz]

Click bait title. The blade was locked with the pin. The pivot and the secondary lock held up. Secondary lock. The blade wasn't going anywhere. The geometry has to do with the edge of the blade it has nothing to do with the strength of the lock up. I promise you will not lose any views if MC decides to start strength testing more locks. The comedy of this video. He has over a half a million subs and you think he needs to kiss the knife companies rear end which is totally false. They need him not the other way around.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@MikeyTrailz Here’s how I see this: If he hurt the so called company to the point where the sales dropped off the cliff, they would just relabel it under a different name and find another influencer to sell the product. There are 10 channels popping up every month and they all could do the job. Also, Melissa Miller has over a million subscribers and really, considering who the target consumers are, that’s all a company would need. There are no irreplaceable reviewers on KZbin. That’s why I admire him for publishing the video. PS. Click bait is something I learned from MC as well! He’s the master of that genre 👍

[@Mikey_Trailz]

​@@CuttingBoardRx MC delivers on his click bait there is a difference when you say the man almost lost his fingers and it was not even remotely close to happening next to MC saying "my mind is blown" or "you should know about this knife" or "excellent value" or "I have a Herman Addiction" then shows exactly what he is talking about in the video. I never said he was irreplaceable but to think he needs Maxace is a delusion. Melissa does not have a over a million subs but she is close to a million. More comedy that you think a knife company lands Melissa Backwoods and then the advertising branch just goes on vacation. The ten KZbinrs popping up haven't released content on a daily basis for 6 years and have almost 5 thousand videos in their catalogue. Like him or not he has put in the work and has my respect when it comes to knives is all I am saying. Just baffles me that the whole premise of your video was a lie about the fingers. I gotta get back to work have a great day CBRX.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@Mikey_Trailz I hope you realize that i stated on several occasions that I didn’t realize how hard MC has to work to make a full time living off his channel until I started my own. And he’s the reason I started the channel. PS. Appreciate you being respectful even though you disagree with me! Class act!

[@TerminalM193]

​@@Mikey_TrailzMC burner account found!

[@just9911]

The existence of MC is an object lesson about one fact of the “knife community” - the overwhelming majority of people don’t use their shit. I’d love to see a venn diagram of “people who bitch about anything that isn’t a super steel” and “people who don’t use their knives enough to notice if you switched a Maxamet blade with an AUS-6 blade” As far as a comparison for how stupid it is to design a relief cut with obvious stress risers, I have one for you - using wound carbon fiber for the pressure hull of a submersible. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of these things would instantly realize they are awful ideas. Edit - I should say this to retain a sense of balance here - I think it’s going a bit far when some people start lodging personal attacks against MC. Say what you want about his content, I think it’s pretty obvious to everyone that he’s basically a giant showroom for new knives. He practically admits to this fact. I do agree that he hedges pretty hard here as far as trying to make the company look better. That’s entirely understandable. But I’ve also seen him not hold back when it comes to other knives failing (particularly some button locks). And my comment about him being an object lesson about the knife community isn’t a slight at him so much as his content being more than sufficient for most people in this community. He doesn’t do testing on the order of channels like Cedric and Ada, Ericasedc, Joe X, or the DBK boys; but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a place in this ecosystem. I have a very hard time believing there’s anything nefarious or awful with him (he’s no slicey dicey), he’s just an excitable guy that’s pretty demonstrative when it comes to aesthetically wild knives. I have a similar reaction to puppies - I lose my shit and get a massive dopamine hit. He just happens to film and share that experience, which I can appreciate for what it is.

[@standingbear998]

it is a shopping habit. they watch videos and shop, not do stuff

[@Elmax17.5dps]

This is well put

[@Elmax17.5dps]

I don't know anything about this knife, but I know you can do all that 10 times with a hundred dollar Maxace Neptune

[@tacticalcenter8658]

MC is a tool

[@chriselliott484]

Im surprised that pin didn't snap in half

[@fl9667]

As much as I like @metal_complex I have to agree with you. If a knife is advertised and don something tough and failed a test what's more left? This reminds me of reate t1000 that he said gonna be super tough and you tested and the secondary pins kept coming undone. For him to say you hitchhike his chanel to gain subs is uncalled for. He is pretty much influenced by companies unlike you. Simple logic actually if they advertise a bullet proof vest and we test it with a real bullet its not a stupid test. It is stupid if we dont test it. I do enjoy your honesty

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Appreciate you!

[@pmHondaSzybszaNizWyglada]

Man i absolutely agree with you. Removing material from liner in such a way-leaving sharp corners-idiots!!! Its only accumulated stresses in these areas. This is elementary knowledge of an engineer. I like metal complex channel. He is good guy. He didnt want to put blame on this company. Its not good besause this knife is dangerous for users!!! This shxit should be removed from the market and launch again only after improving locking system! Nice analysis thanks👍

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@pmHondaSzybszaNizWyglada agree with everything you said! Problem with no-name companies, they are not trustworthy.

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

As a custom fixed blade knife/ sword maker I am not the expert of foldong knives but i still think they ought have known better than cuttting square reliefs. I wouldn't let one go with the shoulders of the blade ground that angular. I wouldn't expect them to.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Thank you for commenting. Feel free to post a comment with your forge information!

[@EastCoastMan603]

These are mass produced pump and dumps in collaboration with “influencer” they are meant to pass the most minimal of scrutiny. That is all.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@EastCoastMan603 I am mostly concerned with the ability of Chinese knife industry to pump out a bunch of knives under a generic brand name and if that brand takes off, steadily increase prices, but, if it gets criticism, simply rebrand it and keep pumping out a scatter of knives that are basically regurgitating popular design ideas.

[@jet503310]

ASK A FARMER ! HAY BALING WIRE ! IT'S NOT JUST FOR HAY BALES ! ITS EQUAL TO DUCT TAPE ! NOTHING IS USED "AS INTENDED" . IT MUST ,AT LEAST, MEET OR EXCEED WHAT is advertised.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Good to know a real world prospective!

[@BladeWalker77]

I tried to follow metal complex, but it isn't for me, I prefer something more substantial, more facts.

[@derekwedge09]

Would also love to see a test on the Cold Steel FM1 aka Full Metal Atlas

[@adadadad8251]

Someone missed couple of Strength of materials classes.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@adadadad8251 exactly. Actually the first 2 lessons! What do you think would break next should he continued the demonstration?

[@adadadad8251]

@@CuttingBoardRx have no idea, I skipped whole semester🤓

[@ix8750]

I think the stop pin actually is what saved his fingers, the liner. Liner broke so if it was a frame lock or a crossbar lock with the extra pin i might think itll have a higher stress point.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

I think, am nearly certain, that if they screwed up the liner that bad, the stop pin would be next to break right at the base of the threads. That’s the next weakest component. I requested MC to send me the remnants of the knife for further analysis but he didn’t like some of my comments under this video and so it ain’t gonna happen 😟

[@dogonmountain6445]

He's "not going to give it a negative review." LOL

[@stevetheripper7675]

He's upgrading from pocket jewelry salesman to CBR fledgling. 😁

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Yep! I feel, not certain, feel he’s capable of great things with just a little guidance from the community…

[@JerryShaver-vb7nd]

Ya'll need to get over it!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Ok, Jerry! We will!

[@JerryShaver-vb7nd]

@@CuttingBoardRx good

[@MrBowser2012]

Well, he does drink Bud Light…

[@FutatabimeNochancesu]

Lgbthiv

[@mangobadger]

“Sorry I get emotional about engineering.” No no, please do! Your unfiltered perspective is greatly appreciated. 😊

[@CuttingBoardRx]

I appreciate your high praise! Of course I will continue to rant!

[@Warsmith_Honsou]

I think Maxace should have conducted such a test themselves and warned users about the possible consequences. But why, they understood perfectly well that this would not increase sales. Perhaps now they will think that it is better to be honest with their clients.

[@joex]

thats def. a very bad failure! Tri Ad is the way to go!

[@johngibson4823]

Thanks!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@johngibson4823 Thank you again, John! Appreciate it!

[@ct2368]

I get where you are coming from, he can force the industry to make better knives and you are right in your veiw of how knives should withstand these things if designed in this way. He is absolutely correct in one aspect, you shouldn't use a knife like this for heavy duty stuff. You should use a fix blade.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@ct2368 when in trouble, one should be prepared to use the tools at hand, I bet I could take the very same knife he broke or the one in my pocket today, doesn’t matter, and process a bunch of fire wood safely and quickly. I came from the place and time where skills were valued above the look or the feel.

[@SMS2884]

I honestly think people that go overboard with stress testing aren't being realistic about a knife and it's design. If you have folder and you get it stuck in say cardboard and you go to twist it out and the lock comes loose. THAT is an issue. But if you have a lock that can't take a few insanely hard spine wacks that's a unrealistic test for views. Because in USING a knife that won't happen. The whole spine wack craze really drives me crazy.

[@XrayMike17plus1]

If you're going to do this sort of thing, do it to a fixed blade. Just because a folder has a reinforcing pin doesn't make it a fixed blade. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@armandkokotajlo2085]

This maxace have a cool looking but linerlock for a batonning proof knife is like shaving with an axe. For theses type of abuse triadlock is better. These knife is 438gr for the same weight you have a trc apocalypse 😂

[@Mandoslicer]

CLICKBAIT

[@Mbowen75]

It's a knife not a axe!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Not anymore. It’s a knife shaped object!

[@AmericanmanElgoog]

It's his best video bc he had to tell the truth rather than just attemp to sell u on a knife he opened right before the vid and puts back after it ends. Evan tho he still tried to sell the knife to the viewers after it broke

[@metal_complex]

I could have just not uploaded it. You understand that right? You're so focused on the idea rhat I'm bought that you can't accept the basic motivations behind a lot of this content.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@metal_complex MC, I agree! The fact you chose to post the video is totally respectable. What my viewers are seemingly having an issue with is that you gave that knife a positive review even as it almost injured you. Because would you have continued batonning, the pin would have sheared at the base of the threads and you could have been injured. The idiot who designed this knife put your and your family’s well being at risk! How can you not see this?

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxI didn't tell people to go and buy it. I said "I'm not going to give it a negative review because it failed due to abuse. That wouldn't be fair. Have you watched my original review of the premium version of this knife? I said it was hyper expensive and inconvenient. Not something I'd recommend to the average person. This isn't some secret attempt to sell the thing. You're going out of your way to miss the point and keep with the narrative of "he's trying to sell it". The reason you have people in your comments pointing out that you clearly don't watch my content, is because you clearly don't watch my content. Making a few commissions on this knife makes no difference to me. I was trying to be fair. I don't recommend this knife AT ALL.to the average person because it's stupidly huge and inconvenient. That's what I say about the majority of this type of stuff. I always tell people "if you just like this style, sure. Knock yourself out, but don't expect some magic level of increased utility". Its blatant man. The only way you can miss this is if you don't watch and just assume. Keep asking me for examples and I'll provide them. It's ALL there on my channel

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@metal_complex I could peel this comment like an onion. But I don’t have the time. Bottom line: at your level of renown, you can have a luxury of dropping a shit brand like this like a hot potato! Or tell them to recall their junk and replace the liners. That would be a respectable and a responsible thing to do: use your superpower!

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxpeel it like an onion. If you have time to call me a shill, you have time to hear every last counter I could bring to the table. Dont do it untles you're prepared to defend your position. I have a much better suggestion - Admit you may have assumed too mucb about my motivation for making content. This would be fair and accurate. You're welcome to criticize anything and everything about whatever I upload, but im not going to let you tell me that my thoughts are purely financially motivated. They arent. Thats why i gave you the examples. They're there. Do what you need to do and lets debate it, or be honest and own up to not knowing as much about me as you think you do.

[@booshwilson8814]

I don’t like metal complex because it seems most of his videos are him just glazing $400+ knives and never even using them.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Edit: per MC himself, he published many videos that he wasn’t compensated for. Older version: He does show all knives in every price range as long as they pay him affiliate commissions. That’s the only way to make money being a full time KZbinr

[@garyjacobs2789]

MC is real billy bipolar. Not capable of making a man decision.

[@metal_complex]

Don't buy the Maxace Vortex S. It's too big to be practical at tasks that smaller and less expensive knives can complete with less effort.

[@loosieclocker]

He is SAWFT

[@TheWatcher60401]

Probably very.

[@TerminalM193]

What's that mean?

[@MrCaissed]

I use to follow MC until I watched stuff like this happen and yet he’s not faulting the knife company. This to me read like a relationship he doesn’t want to evolve. By evolve I mean review it as testing breaks down and put that info out to his followers. Plus there’s more to knives than reviews of high end only knives. I like to see how they’re engineered so I reverse engineer the knives and see what can be improved or really what would make a knife that much better. Always had a problem with the relief cuts square cut and also why the cuts aren’t facing inside.

[@forrestswain543]

MC just vomits out paid for reviews of shitty products. My opinion ofc. Stopped watching him because every review was basically the same. "Good knife, here are a few flaws, go buy it" love your stuff though

[@rj_ofb]

Why all this about MC? Whats wrong really? If he gets paid or not? Its up to each buyer to get their own knowledge about steels and locks or whatever. We all got different preferences, I like Spyderco more than Benchmade but still I got a few Benchmade knives. I kind of hate love them and I complain at them all the time, but I still buy them anyway. 😅 I dont even think a Medford at 1000 dollars would be 100% without faults, everything will break eventually but I would probably recommend it anyway to people.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

I have several videos about Medford. You should watch them before you recommend them to people you like 🤣 So much so, he posted live responses to my videos!

[@billvan5219]

👍👍

[@hardusehobby]

I fully agree😂👍

[@Nick-lm5lz]

Lynn Thompson was right

[@litsci4690]

Metal Complex is too obnoxious to tolerate, not to mention this is the first time he's ever offered any actual information. He's the anti-matter version of you, CBRx. I'm surprised you can stomach watching his videos.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

He’s the reason I started my channel after he blocked my comments on his. So I owe him my gratitude!

[@litsci4690]

@@CuttingBoardRx That's hilarious! I guess we all owe him some gratitude.

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxdude you aren't blocked. Stop stirring this up for no reason. Don't mislead your audience for views and likes. You have never, ever been blocked.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@metal_complex bullshit! I just posted a comment on your tenable video and it’s not visible! Edit: i had a different callsign before I started my channel. The discord came from your lack of understanding what the difference is between a machined integral handle and folded sheet metal handle. Doubt you recall.

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxI just replied to it. It's there. There are TONS of comments coming in all at once there. It's probably not populating the same way for every channel. I have NO ONE blocked or muted.

[@joelamaro4525]

Oh boy. If you are going to use this knife as a folding knife you need only use the liner lock. NOBODY with a 🧠 uses a folding knife to chop and baton. And you are clearly meant to put the stop pin in if you plan on using it as a camp knife. This is a simple concept. And MC trashes knife companies all of the time. You say you watch him weekly but don’t know this? I doubt that.

[@metal_complex]

THANK YOU 🙌

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@joelamaro4525 that is a total bs! I can literally take the knife he broke and process a bundle of firewood without even using the lockout pin.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@metal_complex oh man, just realised you’re here! Please, please send me that very knife, we could use the opportunity to show the safer way to use a folder in case of emergency!

[@joelamaro4525]

@@CuttingBoardRx just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Another easy concept you failed to grasp. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@micgalovic]

I mean, its still a folding knife. With improper use, it breaks. Spinewhacking and prying with a folding knife is more the portrait of the user than the knife.

[@emanuelroth7960]

The problem with "made in communist china" (aside from the obvious issue of the fact that you're giving money to an enemy nation) is that you don't ever know what steel is actually being used.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Especially on the liner. They caught up on blade steel because several channels were checking the composition, but the rest of the knife may be made out of anything. To your first point, the PRC tariffs on steel and value added tax and the transportation tax and the US tariffs all add up to us paying 75% in taxes for almost every knife made there

[@emanuelroth7960]

@@CuttingBoardRx that's very interesting about the tax. I'll have to make a note of that. Another reason to not purchase from communist china.

[@Prizrak-hv6qk]

"Enemy nation" that's made 90% of shit that I (and you too, I'm sure) have around the house. 🤣When did they declare war on us anyway? When was the last time they invaded another country? 1979... and it was another "Communist" one, where they had a border dispute - not a random county across the world. It's funny, but percentage wise, I'd say that I've had better luck with nice(er) ($100+) Chinese knives than similar quality knives from other countries. I'm currently trying to break in or fix a hot mess of a brand new Spyderco YoJumbo. Before that, I was exchanging a dud Cold Steel Karve (made in the non-communist China). Oh yeah, the four MaxAce knives in my collection are pretty awesome. They make a heck of a balisong and OTF for the price and can hardly keep them in stock. Watch the stress test video of their $128 OTF called the Neptune, if you're curious. It's probably the best OTF value on the market right now. Most of their folding knife designs are of the "just having fun" variety though, including a big ole $400 folding scythe.

[@plasticoflamingo2952]

Should Maxace apologize for MC abusing a knife in a way it could never hold up to? Of course not. He's a big boy, and knew what he was getting into. Praise MC for illustrating why you should not use a tool in a manner it was not intended to be used in.

[@just9911]

@@plasticoflamingo2952 explain the secondary pin. A bugout with no secondary safety can handle this sort of stuff without a problem, yet this massive turd breaks from an obvious flaw. Stress risers are bad.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Sir, Maxace isn’t even a real company! Just take a look at their website!

[@ed2335]

@@plasticoflamingo2952 👌

[@ed2335]

Mc has so many yt defense lawyers.. It's ridiculous

[@plasticoflamingo2952]

@@CuttingBoardRx ha ha ha! Right.

[@channingstott9325]

please, im trying to reach u for help with microtechs i own!!!!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

What’s happening?

[@mikeking6686]

HE'S A MIDDLE CHILD

[@CuttingBoardRx]

I am not aware of his family composition.

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxI'm the oldest of 3.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@metal_complex I’m an only child and will be first to admit: what they say about only children, it’s all truth!

[@metal_complex]

​@@CuttingBoardRxrespond to my email and my other replies. You're still in the comments pushing this narrative about my opinions being bought. Not ok.

[@richardhenry1969]

I first off don't like metal complex hes a shill. Repeating the tired old say stuff. He says i wouldn't do that with a folder id use a fixed blade. Then why waste money on supposed overbuilt folder? He told me i was talking trash because i said i had a liner failure. He claimed i must have did something wrong. I did i used a liner lock they are only made because they are cheap. I stopped with him and neeves because they are just corporate shills that never find fault. They don't even carry a knife for a week. KZbin knife reviewers are just fancy salesman.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@richardhenry1969 I’m a knife reviewer and I haven’t sold a single knife. Also, I am convinced that the chopping and not batonning broke the liner. Finally, any folder can be used to split wood if you unlock the blade first so that the lock isn’t stressed.

[@mr61sprite]

🍿🍿🍿🍿

[@CuttingBoardRx]

🍻🍻🍻

[@12345678927164]

Whoops it seems Chinese knives break easily, who would have thought. Buy Cold Steel.

[@buckaroobanzai2551]

Uhhh what? Cold Steel makes knives in China, Taiwan, Italy, Japan and the US. They have also taken a huge shit in quality since Lynn sold the company. Not saying they don't have some good products, they do. They just aren't the be all end all by any stretch. I'll take a WE, Kunwu or Rike over them any day.

[@just9911]

@@buckaroobanzai2551the overwhelming majority of cold steel folders, especially the ones everyone gushes over, are made in Taiwan. And their quality hasn’t taken a dive, but their customer service department is terrible. It’s funny - I’ve seen more issues with pre-gsm CS folders than with folders from after the buyout. But I didn’t write off the brand because I understand that no production company is perfect and shit happens. Nothing is 100% reliable, ever. As far as the brands you mention. - I’ve seen flaws with ALL of them. Bad edge bevels, poorly finished locking surfaces, shitty heat treat, etc. Again, no brand is perfect. I get it - you want to max out stat sheets for your pocket jewelry collection.

[@just9911]

@@buckaroobanzai2551I take it you haven’t used any cold steel folders. I’ve seen more issues on pre-buyout CS folders than post buyout. But I didn’t write off the brand as stuff goes wrong and no brand is 100% perfect. The bulk of CS folders that everyone loves are made in Taiwan. There is a marked difference in quality between knives made in Taiwan vs China, especially in terms of the heat treat. As far as the brands you mentioned - I’ve seen bad edge bevels, poorly cut locking surfaces, and bad heat treats. They get stuff wrong like everyone else… though it seems a consistent thing that they run steels too soft.

[@buckaroobanzai2551]

@just9911 Oh, I don't disagree with you dude. I have owned and handled a few CS folders, air lite tanto, recon 1, ad15 etc. I absolutely love and still have the recon 1. I've had all those same issues you mentioned in every brand I've owned (CS included) aside from my Koenigs, Rosie's and the like. Seems like since the sale the quality and qc has suffered immensely, I have gotten a few stinkers for sure. That said my comment was referring to OPs statement to "not buy Chinese, buy Cold Steel". That just isn't a true or fair statement anymore. Most Chinese OEMs are releasing excellent knives made with quality materials and excellent fit and finish.

[@just9911]

@@buckaroobanzai2551eh, I’ve seen way too many soft blades to be excited about most Chinese made knives. And there doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to it - I’ve seen D2 run great (QSP has done an amazing job on some knives I’ve sharpened) while I’ve seen other companies fuck up 14c28n. I don’t trust any of the companies to run s90v or anything in that realm. What really scares me is worries about things like liners, lock bars, and stop pins not being treated properly leading to catastrophic failures. I’ve seen Twosun and ganzo folders where the stop pins start to deform after just a few weeks of use (which shouldn’t ever happen). As far as the QC on Cold Steel, it seems to be a mixed bag but that’s kind of always been a thing with them. They aren’t always finished in a way that makes them aesthetically flawless, but you can always beat the shit out of them and they will just ask for more.

[@airwolf2001]

MC doesn't really review blades, other than look at them and say whether they are fidgety or not. No edge retention, not real testing. Use to watch everything he did, but the more I got into knives the more I realized his content is trash, appease his cooperate masters and not care about the people who spend their hard earned money on blades. No cut test, how edges hold up because not all 20CV or whatever blade steel it is equal.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

He works his butt off making all these videos. Literally 😂🤣

[@scalpemNoles]

Celebrity? Haha

[@CuttingBoardRx]

660K+ subscribers! He is a public figure!

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Mc is top 5 worst knife reviewer

[@adbramsay]

Has @metal_complex replied to your video?

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Not yet

[@metal_complex]

He wont get a video response. I don't do petty youtube back-and-forth stuff. I'm here in the comments defending my position.

[@mel87123]

You knocked the tester and he answered back. It's a good back and forth. That's why we have freedom of speech and comment sections.

[@metal_complex]

​@@mel87123100%. That's why I'm here.

[@adbramsay]

Wow, this got spicy. I like both of your content. With all the heated rhetoric that has been flying around lately, I truly hope that both of you can come to some kind of truce and continue to make fantastic content.