Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake - Gray Fox Battle

[@TechNoirMK]

"That's it. I remember. Running in circles. Do you remember Snake? The feel of battle? The clashing of pixels and beeping?"

[@filipeflower]

"Running in squares" in this case.

[@desktorp]

filipeflower Circles were square back then.

[@filipeflower]

***** Unless you're using extra pixels in the corners.

[@nectarium8760]

Solid Snake:There Was Squares Before Circles.

[@walterzx230]

"All these squares makes a circle, All these squares makes a circle"

[@fevermario]

This video is from 2006...... and it''s not recorded with unregistered hypercam 2.... and the audio isn't distorted all to hell... and it actually plays at a decent framerate...... WHAT IS THIS SORCERY!?!?

[@HannesHansen]

And all I did was I used the emulators crappy built-in recording feature, lol. This video did fall victim to KZbin's 10 minute limit back then though. And man, I can't believe this video is over 10 years old now. So many Metal Gear disappointments since then.

[@francesco3772]

Just a couple, TPP was a mistake.

[@magefox_]

You know what is even more of a mistake? Metal gear Survive.

[@cronoesify]

@@francesco3772 only because we never did get a proper end with Liquid piloting Metal Gear. Man, this series never could surpass Liquid as a villain. Even as a kid, he was a force.

[@carlosmireles1216]

@@cheefqueef6494 i agree. played the 3 IPs and mgs aged well for modern eras

[@DKFan4Life]

"I fought Gray Fox bare-handed in a minefield." *flashback* Gray Fox runs around in circles while Snake punches him in the side of the head. Legit.

[@carlosmireles1216]

@GoTi4No and mgs 4 in the final battle with liquid ocelot, and almost all the game

[@mattbeckley9483]

@@carlosmireles1216 had to connect all 7 games together somehow

[@anthonymckenzie5182]

I know that what brought me here 🤣

[@JacOfArts]

I love the idea that by the rules of Metal Gear’s gameplay, between then and now, THIS is what hand-to-hand combat between two masters of CQC looked like, and I can imagine hand-animated flashbacks to this fight looking exactly like the systema-style striking and throwing that MGS3 had.

[@MichaelMitchell-nn2ig]

I kinda had to laugh when he exploded after they were being all emotional.

[@kledder2]

What makes it even weirder is that he returns in metal gear solid.

[@RedTigerDragoon]

[CARTRIDGE TAKEN]

[@filipeflower]

That happens to every Boss in this game.

[@TheSkully343]

Except Dr Madnar who just laid down on the floor

[@filipeflower]

***** Holy crap, I just noticed that now! (maybe he got blown off screen, who knows)

[@pedro7g5]

"Whoever wins, the battle will no end. The loser shall be freed from the Battlefield, but the winner stays. He´ll be a warrior until his death". I believe that this is what The Boss Said to Big Boss when she was defeated in Russia, in MGS3 Snake Eater.

[@Panik-64]

Big Boss: Shnake, welcome to shanshibar land.

[@TungstenViper]

Panayiotis Mesaritis one eyed Connery is best Connery

[@nickbag88]

I fucking died laughing at this 🤣

[@llanbull]

Now I know why Grey Fox says "hurt me more on mgs1". He let's snake punches him while he walks all around on this game. lol.

[@bakers2366]

He enjoys it

[@adamxero]

I so hope this and it's prequel game are re-made on the PS4 can you imagine having a Solid Snake vs Gray Fox battle on the new Fox engine graphic system.

[@TechnoSyndro]

It's funny how the fist fight seems pretty underwhelming after hearing about Snake and Gray Fox having a battle to the death in a mine field when Snake talks about it in MGS1, but since Metal Gear 2 actually came first there's no reason it should have to be held up to the hype that MGS1 retroactively built around it. Would be really cool to see it redone in a Fox Engine remake of Metal Gear 2.

[@HannesHansen]

Back when they made this game, he wasn't even Snake's dad.

[@kos2919]

To be fair since he's a clone it's more like a twin brother.

[@theoneitself]

@@kos2919 he is saying that not in any of the two first games the Cloning and Genome thing is mentioned, thus, Snake being his clone was just mentioned only since the Metal Gear Solid saga, not here.

[@9erMatthew]

lol so all this time, Big Boss was actually none other than Sean Connery?

[@petersierra9422]

XD

[@Abon666]

If this game was released outside of Japan on a more popular console and got a faithful port and translation this would probably be remembered as a classic.

[@memberofchat2825]

well i remember as a classic

[@Mimeblade]

Running around the room and JABBING ONCE in random directions! THIS IS HOW MEN SETTLE THEIR DIFFERENCES!

[@CaveManCobb]

If I'm remembering correctly he is modeled after the actor Tom Berenger, then in later re-released versions of the game Yoji Shinkawa redesigned all the characters to make them unique.

[@KyoFoxfire]

Mel Gibson vs. Sean Connery, who will survive

[@Mikemic2218]

Actually its stallone.

[@Rizzawriter]

Imagine this fight with today's graphics and battle mechanics. Needs to be done.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Snake Eater mechanics or GoTP mechanics?

[@Rizzawriter]

​@Joshua N. Ajang forget my previous comment. Change it to MGS3 MECHANICS. Lol

[@AL-lz6px]

A lot of people want remakes of the first two games, which I'd love.

[@TheSterMan01]

“If you can defeat Gray Fox, you’re the greatest Mercenary in the world!” *_punch_* *_punch_* *_punch_* *_punch_* *_punch_* *_punch_*

[@Mugen123456789]

I just love how all of these ideas for these games existed in times of low quality gaming! It's astounding. Even with the Metal Gear screaming when it's legs are hurt just like the gekko in mgs4. Or the codec messages. Its all so great! How did they come up with this stuff!

[@TechNoirMK]

>"He's the guy who never misses" >Fox can't stop hitting the air DOUBLE LOL

[@Luinedhel111]

The Metal Gear boss was a lot better than the actual Big Boss battle where you just ran around looking for a lighter and a spray can to make a flamethrower.

[@arsnakehert]

Damn, I read both Snakes's and Fox's lines with their voices from MGS 1. XD

[@2410jrod]

Man they should remake this for PS4 with new graphics it would be so much fun

[@Joshua_N-A]

I'd imagine a MGS4 mechanics, like the Snake vs Ocelot duel.

[@lonelychameleon3595]

“We fought bare-handed in a minefield.”

[@ilikepigeons6101]

So snake beating Fox up was enough to turn him into a cripple then a cyborg. Don't mess with the same guy who punched through walls

[@balanceherosmt7170]

They were fighting in a minefield, MGS1 later mentioned that Fox got blow up to pieces on a landmine and the Patriots took whatever was left of him to convert him into a cyborg

[@affinite1]

that room looks waay to small to be a minefield

[@balanceherosmt7170]

Fox intentionally planted it to guarantee either of them dies

[@Sparrows1121]

Yeah. I was seriously thinking hearing it in MGS1 that it took place in a desert or something. Which sounded tense to imagine.

[@rosenamajunas1159]

If any game deserves a remake is this

[@Resimaster]

Wow, the last time we see Gray Fox before he becomes the Cyborg Ninja. Incredible story.

[@HannesHansen]

You've propably played the Subsistence version. They changed the character artworks so that they'll fit in with the later MGS designs.

[@Jetman123]

They retconned a lot of this game. Hideo was a bit offended by it. I hope they remake it eventually.

[@ziminaiman]

Hell yeah dude. Snake never mentioned the bit about just standing in one place and punching him as he ran by. He just wanted to make the story sound cool.

[@HannesHansen]

If you're using BlueMSX: F1 = Pause F2 = Select weapon F3 = Inventory F4 = Codec F5 = Save/Load N or M = Punch Space = Shoot N/M + Space = Crouch

[@jacobwells9207]

In MGS1, Snake told Naomi he fought Fox in the middle of a minefield, so where was the minefield?

[@Aivottaja]

The mines were surrounding the room they were fighting in. Notice the blinking dots in the map.

[@TheSupernaxon]

Dynamic CQC

[@foxshock5571]

@shadowshinobi06 CQB?

[@foxshock5571]

@shadowshinobi06 Oh, okay Thanks. ^^

[@Noondroid]

Remember the basics of CQC. up, left, B, up, left, B, up, left, B

[@Geckotr]

i thought they fought on a minefield. That's what Cyborg Ninja told in MGS. I normally don't like remakes but i really want to see the Metal Gear 1 and 2 in Fox Engine

[@alejandro10751]

Well, it is tecnically a mine field

[@HannesHansen]

Back when they developed this game, that part of the storyline wasn't made up yet. Same reason why he doesn't have an artificial arm or a hook arm or whatever. The stories in these games are made up as they go along.

[@MrXabungle]

Well, Phantom Pain gave us an answer for MG1.

[@ninjapro467]

This still doesn't really let anyone know what really happens to gray fox on that zanzibar island mentioned in Mgs 1 .

[@Vadim_Slastihin]

Just beat this game . This was last mg game that i havent beat. And now i understand that mgs V final twist makes even less sence, because if you contact Kesler during fight with Big Boss, he will say that some eastern block despot revive BB with the help from doc Madnar. It is stupid, sure. But we allready has explanation about how BB was able to survive after events of Outer Heaven incident. That makes final twist of mgs V even lesser valuable. IMHO.

[@balanceherosmt7170]

It was stated to be a false rumor about Big Boss getting cybernetics from his injuries when it fact, Venom had a cybernetic arm. Also, that was meant to be a reference to Snatcher.

[@MK384]

The burnt man from Ground Zeroes is definitely not Gray Fox, Ground Zeroes is right after peace walker. Metal gear 2 is years after Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes.

[@sendylie1774]

Rekt in Pixels, Tom Berenger.

[@filipeflower]

I didn't say he stepped on those (even though several people claim that). In case you haven't noticed, there are mines scattered around that field (they appear as white dots on radar). You can avoid touching those (and apparently Gray Fox avoids those too). According to a certain information source I read, these "explosions" you see whenever a Boss enemy dies in this game was Hideo Kojima's way of paying tribute to the Sentai live-action series (such as JetMan, for example).

[@jucarave]

3:39 the most difficult decision for snake.... throw away his cigarretes XD

[@Jetman123]

I don't think it is, actually. MGS1 retconned a whole lot of it. Hideo was a bit offended by the game in general - I don't think he was fully involved in it's production.

[@Mister_BIack]

Walking bipedal nuclear equipped death tank, highest grade of engineering and a threat to every country that exists. Defeated by taking grenades to the legs.

[@dillonkinder9296]

It’s sad what Gray Fox went through before Shadow Moses

[@HannesHansen]

I know, they downright traced Sean Connery's face, just like they did with all the other character portraits in the game, it's just that like half the comments for this video are already pointing that out.

[@MetalGearN30]

No Soliton radar isn't affecting the game's engine though which is what we were talking about. The top down camera view, the control system, the way you run into a wall and Snake, Raiden or Snake would instantly flatten his back to it all similar in MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 as they were the trilogy.

[@janoshorvath9816]

Could gray fox bin raiden ' s father

[@pipemondaca13]

The were killed by Solidus

[@balanceherosmt7170]

No. He's no father of anyone

[@KingPanthro]

If you put the cursor on the screen when it flashes white during the mech battle, you can see a square around the cursor.

[@L7vanmatre]

I don't know what version this is, I think it's some sort of emulator because I played this game on the Legacy collection and Snake and pretty much everyone on codec looks completely different...

[@filipeflower]

This is the original MSX2 version.

[@L7vanmatre]

filipeflower You sure? I played it from the Legacy Collection (as I said before lol) and it looks very different...

[@HannesHansen]

themeanminecraftman This is the original MSX2 version as in, it's a rom of the original copy, played on an MSX emulator. The port included in MGS3 Subsistence changed a few things, such as the character portraits and a few names.

[@filipeflower]

HannesHansen And they also added other features, such as the infinity bandana and Boss Survival.

[@HannesHansen]

filipeflower Most importantly, they got rid of the horrible slowdown that plagued most of the original game.

[@NintendoFrazier]

Holy crap! Times have changed - remember those 6 Paks on the Genesis?

[@OscarMemo333]

sean connery as big boss lol

[@filipeflower]

'Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes' is only available for Nintendo-related machinery. Hideo Kojima wants to expand a remake of the first MGS onto other consoles.

[@lateefrobinson7394]

Well thank christ for PS1 cause that rematch was epic lol

[@JohnHassink]

+Lateef Robinson This was epic when we played it on our MSX machines, too. :-)

[@lateefrobinson7394]

+John Hassink never had MSX

[@JohnHassink]

Lateef Robinson I didn't suppose you did. ;-) I found the rematch on PS1 very cool, too. Goes to show how much gaming specs evolved in such relatively short time, right?

[@lateefrobinson7394]

John Hassink yea they were 8 years apart but if you are true fan of the series you know a remake is coming for the first 2 games

[@JohnHassink]

Lateef Robinson Actually I'm not 100% sure about that, dude. Though I'm certain, that if it happens, it'll be without the collaboration of Kojima. Which, I'll have to admit, wouldn't stop me from buying the damn thing anyway. Who knows, it might even help Konami overcome their crisis, even though they apparently have expressed intending to slowly move away from doing 'console' games alltogether.

[@SolidMike84]

@peleking352 He was a pastiche of contemporary action movie heroes: Michael Biehn (MG cover), Mel Gibson (in game portrait in MG2SS) and was named after Snake Plissken (EFNY)

[@Vnix]

"now i remember, That Punch!"

[@ITACHINN]

@Kuwaga1 In Metal Gear 1 the ending boss is "Big Boss" and in Metal Gear 2 the ending boss is "Solidus" a perfect clone of Big Boss pretending be him. You can easily check that on Metal Gear Wiki, information from lore retrieved from producers

[@AudioXVNVXTheNightLife]

i just grabbed all the metal gear ost's, the music in this particular game is awesome!!

[@karrotgold]

@hitamanda He played James Bond in Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, and Diamonds are Forever. He also played Henry Jones Sr. in Indiana Jones: Last Crusade. He has also been in The Rock and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

[@HannesHansen]

It's propably because the new ones look closer to what we're used from MGS. I suppose that's the reason why they changed them in the first place. The redrawn character portraits were first used in the japanese re-release of MG2 for Mobile Phones in 2004.

[@Ragitsu]

This is history...and some people want to erase/re-write it.

[@sommi888]

In case anybody is wondering: The new Kojima game 'Metal Gear Ground Zeroes' gameplay demo JUST got released. In it, the main 'villain' boss guy is a BURNT figure man. The burnt figure man is actually Frank Jaegar (Gray Fox). You can see from 3:00 onwards Frank is on fire and burning. This just ties in the story. :)

[@HannesHansen]

You're absolutely right about Campbell and Fox is Tom Berenger.

[@laliluleloson]

It does. It was announced, as in commonly known. I didn't get it from a particular source, I just saw it around the internet a lot.

[@XCandyman19]

@DBDarkness they did, the mines are along the walls and they only explode when snake steps on them, (not grey fox though, godmodder :D) but one supposedly explodes on and cripples fox after snake escapes.

[@JiMMyJaM08061991]

no,this was based on tht film,campbelle was based on the general frm rambo. and for some reason the insparation for big boss's character was sean connery

[@Chernobog2]

@Araclain I didn't say they were the same game, i said they were the same series, because you had said they were not the same series. and what do you mean my example makes no sense? Metroid Prime was a transition into 3D for the Metroid series, just as Metal Gear Solid was a transition into 3D for the Metal Geear series. Is English not your native tongue? if it isn't then i forgive you for making such a weird argument.

[@XCandyman19]

@DBDarkness they did, the mines were on the outer edge of the room along the walls.

[@ryguy2632]

Yea Ill def have to look into that bummer MGS1 isn't included. Thats another game I need I had it for PS1 but it broke.

[@laliluleloson]

It was announced along with a concept picture of older Big Boss with his cape next to a hound.

[@filipeflower]

Kheluva999 ,in this game, every single Boss dies in the form on an explosion. But that explosion isn't literal. That's just the game's own way of representing defeat (or death). According to what a certain user on KZbin said, this is supposed to be Kojima's own way of paying tribute to Tokusatsu series (in Tokusatsu, it's common to see enemies exploding when the heroes of the story defeat them).

[@twilightprincess97]

@SAMOANmalosi Think about it, he blew up, meaning that his body was scattered into pieces, they never mentioned the scientists not being able to recover anything from his body, meaning that with parts of him, like a head, a hand, and a couple toes, they can still reconstruct gray fox into a cyborg, because it has parts of the old gray fox

[@ITACHINN]

@Danilko100 Metal Gear is about 6 years before metal gear solid. The end boss is Big Boss former Chief of the foxhound, in Metal Gear 1 he sends you to his own base so that he can kill the noob FoxHound member Solid Snake and make is own metal gear, then snake defeat him but Big Boss escaped. In Metal Gear 2 Snake is assigned by the coronel ( the same that assigne him in Metal Gear Solid) and defeat and kill Gray Fox a double agent and Big Boss (That actually it was Solidus)

[@HannesHansen]

I know. There really are mines though, I've said this a few times in the comments already but oh well...you can see them on the radar as white dots, they're placed around the walls, so as long as you keep in the center of the room you'll be fine. Still, it really is more of a mineroom than a minefield. Snake was propably just exaggerating when he said minefield in MGS1, to make himself look cooler.

[@GohanLSSJ2]

I agree. Though I personally say they keep Hayter for the Ground Zeroes portion, then change it to Kiefer Surtherland for the Punished Snake of The Phantom Pain. Kiefer's voice so far provides a fine middle ground between Hayter's Naked Snake and Doyle's Big Boss.

[@Dekkard5]

both msx versions of metal gear are on the second disc (I believe) of metal gear solid 3 subsistance for ps2

[@fkjetfox]

isn't Big Boss refracing what the boss said in 9:05 back in MGS3

[@mh6041]

A: Trick question...the original Snake, now known as Big Boss, was named Jack. Solid Snake, the second Snake, was named David. And this was revealed in the Meryl ending of MGS1.

[@johanstevens5824]

Big boss' real name is john

[@georgeaveline9739]

Solid Snake being called Dave was revealed in both endings of MGS1.

[@filipeflower]

But we still don't know his surname.

[@FrancisVonFancy]

filipeflower I believe it is Doe, like John Doe. I think it is supposed to be like a reference to unnamed soldiers, John Doe. I think

[@filipeflower]

Fancy Francis Some other people said it was Sears, because of president George Sears (also known as Solidus Snake).

[@HannesHansen]

This is Metal Gear 2, the predecessor to Metal Gear Solid, so Metal Gear Solid 4 is actually the 6th part in the series. (The 7th, if you count Portable Ops as canon.) It was released in 1990 for the MSX2.

[@BurningBlueFox]

big boss just appeared in this game? i never saw him i never played the originals metal gear from msx

[@AlexRN]

In July there's the MGS Legacy collection coming to PS3 it conains: MG1 MG2 MGS1 MGS2:Substance MGS3:Subsistence MGS4 MGS Peace Walker If you havent bought the HD collection you might wanna wait for this one.

[@javiskatezone]

Kojima should remake this two first Metal Gear in the new Gen consoles it'd be freaking awesome

[@Chernobog2]

@HannesHansen by hard to play i meant they had a very different feel compared to later games in the series, so some people may find it hard to believe it's the same series.

[@wildwolf2003]

Thank you so much Metal Gear Means so much to me

[@starschwar]

Subsistence. Both games are on the second disc. However, the version available in the Essential collection does not contain the second disc. As for MG2 not being released in the US, that had nothing to do with the government or politics.

[@GaussRifleGrunt]

No, it's possible: sneak up on a tank and drop a few incendiary or HE grenades down the hatch. For a fighter jet: guestimate the jet's speed, set you or your squad's sights on a point in the sky, and then fire your weapons. The jet will fly right into the bullets. For all intents and purposes, a walking vehicle would be much easier to subdue than a rolling one, you would just need to disable one of the legs. Also, the armor on that mech is flimsy, and he throws more than one grenade.

[@twilightprincess97]

@filipeflower If there where landmines in that room, then wouldn't he have stepped on it earlier? Mostly because he died in a place that he stepped on multiple times (And yes, he lies down before death) and yes, every boss explodes (for some strange reason) after death. (The only boss that would make sense to explode is Metal Gear, and its explosion is melodramatic). Nothing in the series ever states that he blew up from a mine, all they say is that Fox "Blew up" in Zanzibar Land

[@xKingReyx]

@universalsoldierGR44 Thats on the boxart of the FIRST game. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, I'm referencing this games Codec calls.

[@NickJarno]

If you haven't bought it yet. There's A new collection coming out, Metal Gear Solid: The Legacy Collection. It contains MGS 1 through 4 (including MG 1 and 2 and the VR mission from MGS 1) and Peace Walker . Plus a bunch of extra's. Digital graphic Novels for MGS 1 and 2 and an artbook.

[@charliebaker1427]

damn why yhat dialogue hit so different in text form woth that music

[@laliluleloson]

Apparently they are remaking this game and MG1 as both one sequel to Peace Walker. If you look on their website, they have a teaser 'concept art' of Big Boss older than he is in Peace Walker, looking much closer to how he does later on in the series. And he has a dog beside him and a patch on his arm saying "Diamond Dogs", which could mean conflict diamonds and Africa... aka "Zanzibar Land" setting.

[@JohnHassink]

@ninjast4r Uhm, it's a fan translation. Back then, we couldn't really 'wait' for some native speakers to translate it since MSX2 was practically non-existent in the UK or US. We were extremely thankful these guys did the job so we could at least follow what was happening without having to learn Japanese.

[@miguel0523]

LONG LIVE METAL GEAR!!!

[@HannesHansen]

@ReloadPsi To be fair, they probably had to change them due to copyright reasons, that was less of a problem on an obscure japanese only MSX2 release back in the early 90's.

[@AnotherGaisle]

@Mcree114 No, RAXA is Canon, It's from Portable Ops, the sequel to Snake Eater.

[@filipeflower]

That's what re-releases are for.

[@FreakGerm]

And now we have Metal Gear Rising...

[@Gangnam-man]

The ROM cartridge had a built-in sound chip called SCC. All Konami games since Gradius2 used SCC.

[@vanpiisu88]

This fight would look pretty awesome with fox engine graphics. I hope they remake this :).