"Metal is STUCK IN THE PAST"

[@xRamZx]

Anytime someone says that was 10 years ago I think that means 2008...but it's really 2014, faaaaaakin'ell

[@nameless10802]

Just wait how you feel in 4 years

[@StuartHetzler]

10 years ago was 2000

[@johngiles6376]

Me too. It's a mind fuck.

[@daveberryman5946]

If you can't do 'years' - get off the gear.

[@rizzodarko7373]

​@@StuartHetzler 30 years ago was 1970

[@YummyNukes]

I got it: 80's glam metal with breakdowns on 8 strings

[@ethanwelk2736]

Honestly that would be sick

[@AmiliaCaraMia]

Close but no cigar. 10 strings as it would be 2 better.

[@andrewwagner8939]

I’m in

[@emptysoul4455]

Let’s do it!

[@ethanwelk2736]

Blast beats yes or no?

[@TonyHavenMusic]

Classical, jazz, samba, bossa nova, what genre isn’t stuck in the past at some point? It’s been a while since I’ve heard a groundbreaking techno song, we’ve had 60 years of metal now, it’s ok for it to have found its place in history and for new things to evolve around it

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Agreed. Nothing can evolve forever

[@wilfpenfold]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI dunno man I’ve heard some strong evolutions of the deez nutz jokes

[@anticarnistvegan]

Every combination of music and genre of music has already been probably done at some point, we just gotta expand our horizons now

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

There is Dark Jazz influenced by ambient and stuff. Very unusual from typical Jazz. Albeit the subgenre is already 30 years old...

[@Ravenstorm163]

Sempeternal bmth was new Metal core changed in 2013

[@tomk8350]

Yeah but I'd say that metalcore now more closely resembles Djent than melodic metalcore

[@healthiswealth1452]

My hot take , green day play it safe when making music, watching them live, is like a completely different band than the 3 min songs you hear on the radio

[@vitruviandrums]

Not a hot take. Most bands of their size do this / that’s also why it’s so rare that modern stadium level bands release good music. Or at least more than 1 good song per album.

[@CodyCockyote7046]

Stadium bands usually have the best live presence due to experience playing internationally. Imho

[@Swullmark]

I would agree based strictly on bootleg live shows I've seen in the later years.

[@kylenorthington2647]

i couldn’t agree more. i saw them at a huge event center, and even though i was excited it was more of a bucket list show as opposed to expecting the best experience. hell no - they put that shit DOWN. one of the best shows i’ve ever been to on any scale which really surprised me.

[@Pedalbored]

Green Day is one of my favorite live bands. I never listen to them but they’re too 5 I would probably put them at number 4. KISS, Slipknot, Muse, Green Day, Papa Roach. I still want to see Iron Maiden.

[@lens_hunter]

I don't really pay much attention to genres. I don't really care how music "progresses." I follow bands I like, which is a list that is always growing. All I care about is liking what's going into my ears. One of my favorite bands, Unleash the Archers, is releasing a new album in May and I'm stoked.

[@aliasfakename2267]

You have a great mindset, just listen to what you like. I couldn't care less if others don't like what I listen to.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Good point.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

I agree with that minus never hearing that band before.

[@lens_hunter]

@@danteshollowedgrounds Today's a good day to check out a new band then!

[@MetalGildarts]

Same.

[@blueshattrick]

15:04 *as a professional writer, I can tell you the old joke "I didn't have enough time to make it shorter!" is 100% accurate :)

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

It's old enough to have been attributed to Cicero.

[@dthendrick1]

Metal Heads : There is never anything new coming out of metal. Also Metal Heads : Ewww!!!! That new thing that came out of Metal that is extremely popular isn't real metal!!!

[@ccshredder9506]

As a 33 year old that was always trying to find heavy shit to listen to, bands like Lorna Shore are boring and whiny to me. Thats my own opinion ofc and it doesnt necessarily mean its bad. Its hard to find things that are objectively good in art in general.

[@seakermac5800]

Current metal is awesome. I also don’t like all the weird pop/edm influenced metal. That shit is whack. Thrash and Death Metal are awesome right now though

[@ccshredder9506]

@seakermac5800 even newer thrash bands seem to still give it a newer touch. Saw this band Nemesis. Kicked fucking ass and made me feel like I was watching Megadeth reincarnated.

[@fclefjefff4041]

Genuine question: has it ever occurred to anyone to stop identifying as a “metalhead” because it’s fucking juvenile? Half the fandom is embarrassing and annoying. Just listen to the music you like.

[@ccshredder9506]

@fclefjefff4041 sure, but you're also being infantile just writing this comment hahaha who cares what people refer to themselves as?

[@HolyMoly69364]

I was kind of meh on Ghost for a long time, when I started dating my current g/f she was a huge fan. I bought her tickets to see them as a thank you for taking care of me after a surgery. After seeing them live I can see why people love them and in turn I have become a massive fan of them as well.

[@maxheili6029]

Welcome to the Clergy my friend

[@timothyvonvictory7105]

"My girlfriend got me into ghost" 😂 classic

[@HolyMoly69364]

My g/f also discovered them when they opened for Maiden in 2017 @@ZhovtoBlakytniy

[@donnamoon8769]

I was surprised how much I enjoy Ghost. It’s a bit of old school rock and roll.

[@ratskraad5890]

Gay gay gay

[@toddmueller8948]

Musician: Tries something new. Metalhead: That's not real meh-uhw!

[@hhaste]

I hate those elitist gatekeepers.. they stopped me from listening to nu-metal bands I liked in high school, back when I thought stuff like other jabroni's opinions mattered

[@XvXMONSTERXvX]

Your comment is the first I saw and yeah your 100% thats one of the things that has made me dislike metal the most as I got older, instead of live and let live, listen to you want. Its all about real metal, putting down people who listen to other music, and knowing the most obscure bands not cause their good but for cool points Thats not who I want to be

[@toddmueller8948]

@@hhaste People love to crap on anything different. I'm an old-head but I love BabyMetal -- because the music makes me smile. I still love 311 because it reminds me of college. I like Poppy because I never know what she'll do next. Go see The Pretty Reckless because Taylor Lou Who's voice is next level. Love the music you enjoy.

[@DG_Raizen]

Linkin Park comes to mind. They received so much crap for their post-Meteoria releases. The albums were successful sure, but the vocal minority "fans" were insufferable.

[@wunderwaffefries]

Bradley Hall

[@alanturquet7727]

myspace deathcore was so random: the sound was as raw as it gets, it had no structure, it had those random movie sounds before a breakdown. It was all about brutal fun. I loved it when I was a kid, and I'll always love it!

[@JandroDub]

I had that Cold video on my PSP when i was 13. Watched it all the time. Seeing you roast it just made my life complete 🙏🏽

[@deadworld101]

The funny thing is alot of us "metalheads" couldnt get into myspace deathcore at the time because we thought it all sounded over produced and generic. Kinda funny to hear your take on og and new school bands

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Can confirm this. I was looking at an unknown band from 2007 that had a very mathcore - oriented deathcore vibe this week. There’s a couple comments that were said around the time of the video’s release and there were a few guys giving it grief, saying that the band sucked and wouldn’t last long in the scene. So, nothing was different back then.

[@EncoreASMR]

At the Throne Of Judgement never got the support they deserved

[@equanimity92]

IMO Death Metal and its Subgenres (specifically Tech Death and Deathcore) is the final form of Metal. Everytime people experiment/ add their own take on metal over the years, is when we got all the million branching subgenres (metalcore,nu metal, djent, shoegaze, sludge, etc). So infact, it has evolved and branched off quite a bit since its been around longer than most genres. But Death Metal is the Apex. and Like the great white shark, it has no need to evolve further.

[@NothingToSeeHereNope]

I think metal has progressed in its sound, kind of how the use of breakdowns and how they impact, it’s gotten sub heavy, scooped similar to EDM. Also I’m seeing new bands use metal contextually different, and honestly if you look into some of the smaller bands, there is something building.

[@Artificial_Ghost]

The term djent came about more or less by mistake. Yearssss ago someone asked fredrik Thorendal to describe they’re sound and he was drunk so he was telling the guy it sounds like dja djent dja djent 😂

[@jacobmullinax9730]

Looking big finn! The hard work in the gym is showing!

[@rapiercharizard]

MySpace Deathcore King was "As Blood Runs Black"

[@TheOtherCaleb]

No Pressure is something pretty new in punk. And for metal… the newer wave of the “extreme neoclassical” scene is pretty innovative with bands like First Fragment, Chilliasm, Inanimate Existence, Equipoise, etc.

[@ryanbollinger1759]

I think popcore/ weekndcore being as big as it is at the moment and opens the door for more musical opportunities for bands to push the genre forward if you ask me. I unironically think Bad Omens is maybe one of the best things to happen to the heavy music scene in such a long time.

[@Nestorglass]

Would be great if we werent seeing most bands rip each other off taking the exact same pop/electronic elements as the Big ones (spiritbox, BO and ST) and slapping them on mid buttcore.

[@unai49999]

​@@Nestorglass everytime something is popular. Art is derivative. From glam rock to Picasso copycats, superhero movies and Timberlake boots. If you don't like It just move on.

[@DYLANBROCHILL]

They aren't doing anything different.

[@Nestorglass]

@@unai49999 yeah thats true, even at the peak of nu metal you'd lift a rock and 40 shitty lb/korn ripoffs would come out. But it does feel like nowadays that number has increased from 40 to 4000000.

[@unai49999]

@@Nestorglass I mean, internet broke a lot of barriers, I would argue that everything is more accesible, including the learning procces

[@orangecounty2033]

on this video I got an ad for the big metal tour this summer ! Five Finger Death Punch, Marilyn Manson & Spinal Tap

[@TheCivildecay]

Love that we still call it twitter

[@brianberan37]

I think what Will Ramos is doing with his vocals in Lorna Shore is progressing the deathcore scene quite nicely. The Pain Remains trilogy is fierce.

[@CheyEG]

Dickie Allen did that in 2016, and frankly started the whole “animal sound” deathcore thing with IA

[@tinfoilhatoverlord]

​@@CheyEGcan go as far as the MySpace Deathcore era.

[@CookieCookieGirl]

Na that shit was mid.

[@SM-nz9ff]

No he isn't and that's still deathcore that's been done. LS is good but making up shit is just being a bullshitter that's incorrect

[@joshabreu1156]

A lot of metalheads can't comprehend that you can enjoy the classic older records while still seeking out newer bands. I absolutely love bands like Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Motorhead, and Slayer. However just sticking to them means that the genre dies with them and it becomes just another part of history. They're not gonna live forever. If you want the genre to continue you have to seek out newer bands

[@manifeststation5354]

archisphere adding those dynamic mumble growls

[@Kyle_Evers]

This was one of my first thoughts when I heard “metal hasn’t changed since 2009” but I’m pretty sure Archspire has been around since 2009 lol

[@JoinMeInDeathBaby]

They stole it from Fronz😂

[@anthonyr598]

As a diehard metalhead who is also a dedicated guitarist; I do agree that metal IS stuck in the past lol facts that the most recent development is djent and realizing that now high key floored me since it wasn’t something I hadn’t thought of. And after hearing the tangent regarding punk’s relevancy and its lack of evolution, although metal is in a better position than punk I do feel it is scary that at some point metal could be in the same position as punk in terms of relevancy throughout the years. Nice input within the topic, Sir Finn 👍🏻✊🏻 it makes ya think lol

[@garyr7646]

Metal in general and metalcore/deathcore/hardcore specifically are undoubtedly on an upward trajectory in terms of popularity. Bands like Bad Omens, Lorna Shore, and Knocked Loose are bringing more fans into the sub genres since the the original deathcore insurgence. The next ten years or so will see metal explode again in popularity.

[@Nestorglass]

This was prophecised so many times i just dont buy it anymore im sorry.

[@ccshredder9506]

@@NestorglassHouston has one of the worst music scenes (imo), and I can see Hardcore metal getting bigger and bigger here. Especially with Power Trip coming back and other bands in the same vein.

[@Nestorglass]

@@ccshredder9506 ive been also pushing for thrash/crossover to be influential again so that'd be nice. Gimme a mix of current modern metal with more raw aspects of hxc+thrash+death and im in. Power Trip rules

[@Bloods2006]

South Florida and Austin TX hardcore/metalcore/whatever has the best scene in the game right now.

[@ccshredder9506]

@@NestorglassFuck yeah. Almost felt alone there.

[@Frederick0220]

Great point regarding Issues doing Pop Metal/Weekendcore a decade ago. No one talks about that band anymore. Maybe cuz they lost their singer.

[@sendbobs2509]

Something I've noticed is that a lot of metal fans are also horror movie fans, and it makes a lot of sense with the parallels in opinions. Both are stuck in the past and anything new introduced gets dismissed as never being able to meet the mark set in previous years. Both also had revivals in the 80's, 90's, 00's, and 2010's. People who love horror swear up and down nothing will ever be like the 80's, and again I cant help but notice how similar that take is to self proclaimed metalheads.

[@bailey3209]

Horror fan and metal fan here and that horror take checks out 😅

[@connorclarke1708]

I find it's usually slasher fans that are stuck like that. A lot of horror fans are into the newer movies but I agree, the people I meet who are at the metal/horror intersection are VERY nostalgic to the point of it being annoying.

[@mg682]

​@@connorclarke1708 exactly. Slasher genre had gotten so oversaturated, there's no coming back from that. The biggest one still rn, is Scream, and that came out the year I was born, 96.

[@metaleroperonista]

Try "When Evil Lurks" one of the best horror movies that I've seen in my life and it was released in 2023.

[@kalebseiler8577]

As a gen z fan of horror and metal the problem with newer stuff of both is it hard to make new metal and horror. For example very few horror writers will ever be able to write as good horror novels as Stephan King did in the 70s and 80s.

[@chiefluke210]

There’s like this whole new wave of Deftones “like” bands. Loathe, Thornhill, Moodring, and Sleep Token. All of them are usually copying the Deftones formula with heavy background music and the softer vocals on top of it. The song structures are uncannily the same. I’m not saying that it’s bad music, but bands are switching to that sound and I’m not sure it’s their own doing. Like Thornhill and Loathe used to be SOOOO much more heavy but then they changed. You can say they’re “evolving their sound” all you want, but I’m willing to bet that labels are telling them to change. Deftones homework copying is what sells now thanks to TikTok.

[@simoneburini4036]

Loathe's best songs are the Deftones - like ones

[@hectorcastillo1792]

“Here’s the thing” gets me EVERY time

[@a.q.5775]

As a ex scene kid, The Weekndcore Baddie bands goes even further back than Issues/Woe is Me, who we were all saying were just watered down "Downtown Battle Mountain" era Dance Gavin Dance when Johnny Craig was the vocalist, the Emarosa albums with him too. So in that respect, Baddie Core (at least the RnB with Screaming variant at least) goes back like 20 fokken years.

[@billiecobain]

Emo rap is revolutionary? OK BOOMER🧢🧣🧤

[@VYRAM95]

Nowadays I think that the extreme part of metal has been left aside, now it is more technical, more organic, there is consistency in the pieces, the problem is that nowadays everything is transient and it is difficult for the current stuff to stay in the heads of the lovers of this genre.

[@jw7500]

Hot take: most of the new experimental stuff comes out of the extreme metal scene. Death, Grindcore crossovers and mainly black metal. Bands like Enslaved and Oranzi Pazzuzu showing that it's not all stagnant unproduced Darkthrone rip-offs. Mainstream metal on the other hand has very little new stuff whatsoever.

[@martinpidhany8278]

Hey, raven still killing it all these years later with wonderful new music and fuckin killer live shows . Horns up mate!!

[@steveparish4209]

The slow death of terresterial radio and the cassette/cd world has contributed to this. While streaming services perform essentially the same function, the breadth and depth of what people can find and listen to is 100X more now. As such, definitions and norms just aren't as important today.

[@coolcharles45]

What about the hyperpop influence in BMTH, Paledusk, Baby Metal? There has been progression.

[@jaegermeister798]

Babymetal has been dominating the metal scene outside of the US echo chamber for a while now. But Finn isn’t going to bring up BM unfortunately.

[@coolcharles45]

@jaegermeister798 I'm a terminal watched of this channel and he brought up baby metal in the past, so I'm curious why not here.

[@jaegermeister798]

⁠​⁠@@coolcharles45yeah he did, but he made the unfortunate mistake of bringing them up in the past to use them as a casual example about how metalheads like gimmicks and such. In that video he shared some very misinformed and culturally insensitive views and the fans correctly and justifiably corrected him. As it turns out, he didn’t realise Babymetal had a serious fan base (what a concept right?). But instead of taking a step back an reevaluating himself, he instead chose to double down on his comments and degrade the fans even further in future videos. So he burned that bridge with that fanbase. He won’t bring up bands on his channel where he feels the fans don’t “deserve it” like somehow he thinks his little channel here is worth more than Babymetal. Even from a business standpoint this is a dumb decision on his part. I try to be fair towards the guy, because I think his takes are pretty reasonable most of the time, but clearly Babymetal is one of those things that truly showcases where his personal biases take priority over reason.

[@s3lfFish]

finally, we agree on something. Now there are some artists who tries to do different things, there's a trap metal wave you talked about, there's banshee with her electro scream sound

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Trap metal is so 2018, dude. Get with the times.

[@s3lfFish]

@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 well its closer than 2010, and instead of whining, give some recomandations. being on internet doesn't give you the right to be a jerk, you can also be a bit more polite and constructive.

[@s3lfFish]

@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 by the way you said nothing about banshee, I guess its too 2022

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

A lot of things are stuck in the past but I digress.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Exactly. The nostalgia in today’s society is exhausting. It’s not just metal, it’s entertainment, as a whole that’s stuck.

[@SLEAZEBAGJONES]

Not metal related but there is a huge grunge and shoegaze revival happening right now. Die Spitz, Glare, Trauma Ray, Bleed, Narrow Head, Hello Mary, Lola Star, Fleshwater, Julie, etc.

[@Marcustrh]

Thank you for correcting ppl with Issues being ahead of the curve. They started the baddie core wave

[@jerryrose9472]

Missed a couple parts cause I'm at work, but had Finn made any mention of Psycho-Frame? Know it's not reinventing any wheels, but I know how fondly he speaks of myspace-era deathcore so I wouldn't mind hearing his take.

[@chadesquimaux3208]

Metal doesn't have to be current or have a next big thing. If it did, it would be pop music. Current and next big things are for pop artists. Metal just needs to sound good. If you like a song or a band, then that's fine. Another thing I dislike is people saying who's listening to so and so or this song in this year. It doesn't matter. Again if it's a good band and the song sounds good then it shouldn't matter what year it is.

[@TheJordan75]

Naaah I disagree. Do you know why metal was so great during the mid-80's? It was popular. The more people listen to metal, the more people want to play metal. And that leads to more experimentation wich leads to innovative sounds. Finn has said before that a rising tide lifts all boats. If metal becomes popular again, it will be interesting again.

[@sand_is_greaney]

I think there’s some artists with all of these examples who are exceptions (BMTH for Metal, Jeff Rosenstock for Punk, etc) but you’re right in general. There’s a desperate need for a shake up but anytime anyone gets a little experimental, it’s shunned out by most of the genre

[@JBzucc]

I feel like if you're listening to just the bigger bands it's very stale, personally I listen to a lot of hardcore/metalcore and I honestly feel like those genres are thriving, like you listen to something like Kublai Khan and I feel like that is fresh as hell

[@enigmaburrito1390]

I'm not really sure where else metal could go at this point, but I really enjoy bands like Boundaries and Dying Wish going back to metalcores roots. So much so that even my own band is inspired by them.

[@Grindermetalhead]

One interesting trend in death metal that has been developing and evolving in the past 10-15 years has been dissonant death metal, with all these Gorguts inspired bands like Artificial Brain, Portal, Nightmarer, Ad Nauseam etc.

[@williamlanger9229]

I think metal will evolve again when musicians and fans decide to “evolve outwards”, not “evolve upwards”. “Evolving upwards” to me is basically trying to max out objective metrics. How heavy, tight, and fast one is are objective metrics that have a maximum and i think that maximum has largely been reached. Without a change in music consumption technology, metal is pretty much as heavy as it can be. I’m also not sure players can get too much faster and modern recording means everything has reached maximum tightness too. “Evolving outwards” is just developing new styles without the intention of maxing out objective metrics. This is what metal has to do if it wants to change, but metal heads are currently too obsessed with maxing out heaviness, speed, and tightness.

[@gallusgallusdomesticus281]

Please relay this in Metalhead spaces they need to hear this.

[@ButtersDClown]

I gotta say i like that we have bands coming up like bad omens, sleep token, ect; however i really cant stand the direction we're going in and its reminding me of a while back when imagine dragons and 21 pilots took over and imo really put a nail in the rock coffin

[@Cerecyte1221]

I took like 10 years off of finding new metal bands because I thought I had found my perfect set of bands. So I've been impressed all the awesome stuff Ive found in the last 2 or 3 years. Blackened Deathcore the biggest discovery. Though I'll admit, it does feel like almost every cross genre of metal has been done, and has been done excellently.

[@off6848]

Look into demonic slamming deathcore like AngelSplitter addictively heavy

[@alexpfostinger8310]

what is also quite innovative in the last years is the whole new wave of industrial metal which is more DnB oriated like zardonic, celldweller and latest rabbit junk releases (a lot of what FIXT is releasing) nobody is really talking about that

[@JoinMeInDeathBaby]

I love Klayton and friends, but they suck at promotion and barely tour and make music videos.

[@lightningmonky7674]

Funny thing about for for an autopsy is that they were old enough to start out as Myspace death ore and transition to the modern sound. "Warfare" might be the coolest modern deathcore sounding song of all time tho

[@DogeDelecto]

My biggest criticism with newer metal has always been a lack of innovation and overreliance on gimmicks like breakdowns. That's not to say newer is better, or that breakdowns suck. I like the recent fusion of pop and metal, though i think few can pull it off as well as Baby Metal and Poppy have. You still have great newer bands, but i always like them specifically because they build up on older styles that I enjoy, I.E. the fun 80's-shred style solos of ATB, or the brutal basic-death-metal riffing of Angelmaker. Metal has always kinda sucked at incorporating new sounds. It's extremely rare for a guy like Tosin (let alone a surreal left-lane swipe from a woman like Poppy) to come along and completely change how i think about playing guitar or expect from a respective genre. And of course, with every new innovation and hybridization comes an onslaught of fans and bands that stagnate the genre beyond repair. This is just as true for new metal as it is older metal, and it seems to be de rigeur for all music genres, as you noted, finn. Perhaps one could simply argue, "Music has always sucked, just listen to what you like." Of course, i unironically love Barlow-era Iced Earth and Horse The Band, so my opinions are trash and should be disregarded.

[@modeisin7]

For songs over 4 minutes it almost has to be like an epic or tell an engaging story that the listener wants to listen to the whole song. And there is something to finding out about an artist outside of there craft and seeing there real side that’s how you become a real fan not just surface level.

[@DCBMusic]

My take is keep the octave pedal in Buckethead songs only

[@DCBMusic]

Also Fat Nick put out the best pop punk album last year

[@ianking6234]

The revival of early 2000s sound Metalcore with bands like Boundaries, Mouth for War or Chamber and the revival of the MySpace deathcore sounds is all we need.

[@RustinRoark]

As a 20 year metal fan, I'd agree it's much more accurate to say metal is in a creative rut then not..Archspire and Lorna I guess have certainly pushed it..Thall is kinda cool

[@badoocee1967]

That a valid argument Finn....your comment about certain genres that haven't evolved. It's something that I haven't thought about in awhile. As a result, I guess I tend to listen to older music, whether it be punk, prog-metzl, soft rock, etc.

[@christiandauz3742]

Rise Agaisnt? Too close/Too late by Spiritbox?

[@TaxinGigs]

Finn you really need to check out The Chats from Australia. They have brought Punk back from the dead.

[@jayess8714]

Preach!

[@DaryllRambo]

Couple things.. 1- Punk peaked when FL/GA line formed. We can all agree on that. 2- The only thing interesting in punk is finding out that Justin Sane is a fuckin creep 3-The biggest problem in metal is the Fanbase. It doesn't matter what a band does anymore, some mouth breather that doesn't contribute shit has to come out and tear it down

[@glenndanzigsmanycats2045]

Based

[@Night-rage]

I love Ghost, I too hated them the first time I saw them, like you I thought they where self serious. But then I saw Year Zero with the naked nuns and realized they are all tongue in cheek.

[@maxstevens2294]

Does Ghostmane and some of the screaming/guitar stuff in some hyperpop count as a progression on the genre? I know none of these are strictly metal and same goes for the whole Deathstep scene as well. Mabey metal is stuck in straight up terms but I hear enough adjacent sounds or stuff that borrows from it to feel the genre has been progressing and that there will be more changes to come. I don't know mabey none of what I said even counts.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Possibly but Ghostemane stopped making music 5 years ago

[@cartercolson7975]

​@@FinnMckentyPRMBAreally?he's done like retired from music done?

[@lippi2171]

I think BMTH is being ahead of the curve again with their new sound. The synthesized, bit crushed guitars, the vocoded vocals are really something I didn't really hear before. It's like a new sound territory for me. Guitars are going to the background and basically merge together with thick synthesized data-corrupted bass. I love that stuff

[@lippi2171]

Also, the other tendency is the weirdness of composition and the merge of wide variety of genres. You can go full on blasting death metal and in the next beat there's like a muzak elevator music solo

[@baulzzzzzzz2278]

Nothing about BMTH is “ahead of the curve” they wrote commercial bullshit and sold out hard as fuck

[@lippi2171]

@@baulzzzzzzz2278 I disagree. Their latest releases are very progressive in terms of sound and engineering. I can hear their influence on other artists already. And idk about selling out, they've always been popular

[@baulzzzzzzz2278]

@@lippi2171 dude BMTH did an interview years ago where Oli said in his own words that they’re moving away from heavy influences in their music because it doesn’t make money. They’re formulaic as fuck they copied what Motionless in White and added more synth and auto tune. The sound they have was being used by every scenecore band in the mid 2000s They were trend setters in a subgenre of metal, easily the top band in that genre, and instead of sticking around and growing the scene they transitioned into more radio friendly music for the sake of money and accessibility And now the scene they once dominated is one of the biggest genres of heavy music deathcore

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

This is a great point. Their new stuff is very fresh and I haven’t heard anyone else do that sound.

[@coheed987]

I dont think that not having new metal subgrenres = nothing new in metal. Theres already too many subgenres anyways. I think the hallmark of something 'new' is having an identifiable sound where when you hear a song for the first time, you can tell "hey, thats by -insert band name here-". I think that shows that a band is unique enough to be identifiable. Spiritbox has that, sleep token has that, Poppy, bmth, Code Orange, etc. I think the non-subgenre specific bands are where it's at.

[@Eirik36]

I think we are at the point where does music go? What’s left to create? It makes sense the music timeline change from the 1940s-2010s. Musicians learned to use their instruments more and refined their skills, but what’s left?

[@rolaca11]

I'd say what's new today compared to 2009 is the better, heavier use of synth elements. Good example from this year is "Dead By April - Hurricane"

[@vladislavskozlovskis1999]

Slaves(Soft Play),Idles,Fontaines DC,Turnstile,Viagra Boys,Amyl and the sniffers are pretty big punk acts from last 10 years.Independent punky vibe is pretty much popular in last 10 years and kinda feels like punk scene is on pretty good shape.I think this is also where somewhere in 2010s people started to switch a bit from Metal to something more indie and punky.Also punky wave is more open and stylish appealing for new listeners then metal that kinda of a became a space for angry nerdy pc dudes.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

I’m all down with the Post - Brexit wave of music that’s coming out of the British scene. Some of the most forward - thinking and innovative music that’s out there in the scene. Better than listening to a band or artist that’s 20+ years old. Most of the industry today has an obsession for that.

[@Tameot34]

I think it's the metalheads that are stuck in the past

[@Pedalbored]

I got to see Suicide Silence on the Megadeth Endgame tour

[@hhaste]

Same but on the Rockstar Energy festival, way back with Mitch

[@chriskjo1611]

I would say that "blackgaze" and "funeral doom" have progressed beyond the 2010s. For example look at all 4th wave posty black metal bands--Ghost Bath, Noumenorian, Oathbreaker--that have come out since Deafheaven released 'Sunbather.'

[@Metalbaum]

Nobody listens to it but I did a whole album in surf black metal, metal as auch will just divide in more subgenres, btw your take on deathcore is true

[@CodyCockyote7046]

How do you even

[@Metalbaum]

@@CodyCockyote7046 listen to music? I don't know really

[@Frederick0220]

Falling in Reverse has created a new sound: poppy rap Metalcore

[@hamm8934]

Attilla Issues Hollywood Undead And many others had the sound first

[@ryanrowe1975]

2010 development of came out to release the album and popularize the sound

[@badoocee1967]

As always YES FINN....WHERE IS THE SONG? Great question!!!!

[@alexpfostinger8310]

punk also has his new adaption in the last years of bluegrass which might be worth mentioning. days n daze bridge city sinners might be the most important ones here.

[@CheyEG]

Fallingwithscissors is nu-core from MySpace imo. It’s so unhinged and glitchy/raw/unpredictable and just sounds corrupt but it’s fucking awesome

[@joshgrotesque2519]

I remember seeing Periphery on battle for Ozzfest TV series in 2004. They've come a long way.

[@jasonfromguitarcenter]

Periphery At Ozzfest In 2004?

[@joshgrotesque2519]

@@jasonfromguitarcenter it was a try out to be on Ozzfest. They didn't even get picked sadly. Nu metal was at its peak lol.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

@@joshgrotesque2519 Nu metal was on its way out by then. Metalcore was the peaking genre, at that point.

[@ivo_picha]

I think Darko US is something relatively fresh within metal. Not a huge fan but they don't sound like anything I know from the past

[@off6848]

Sounds like Admiral Angry and all the offshoot bands

[@badoocee1967]

Hard to stay original, self edit, but reach a broader audience with one's music. Duly noted Finn.🕶🤙🏽

[@rogerstrings7767]

You might wanna check out Bloodywood from India... Adding new sonic textures to metal...

[@off6848]

Nithing - Agonyl Hymns is the new evolution of brutal death metal Right now people will think it’s to extreme but the heaviness will somehow be transferred over to more popular bands eventually I,Shapeshifter is the evolution of Nu Death

[@BigOwl51]

My hot take is that Sleep Token is just imagine dragons for people who think they’re above listening to imagine dragons. It’s just the same clean, overproduced, radio friendly crap, except they wear cool masks and occasionally have djent riffs in order to appeal to pretentious metal nerds.

[@markcrane1984]

Sleep Token bore the hell out of me. I’ve tried listening to them a few times and can never get past more than 3 songs before I have to turn them off. I just don’t get the hype at all man

[@MrRoundthetwist]

💯

[@yourgrandmasjzexboyfriend]

Anthony fantano said this

[@colehenderson3632]

@@markcrane1984sure beats WAP getting popular !

[@NightSide1349]

@@colehenderson3632 I would rather listen to WAP than Sleep Token lol

[@gernblanston2652]

"Sounds like somebody's living in the past. Contemporize, man!"

[@kyleurbanik1879]

Modern metal recordings have no dynamics I get irritated that most metal bands mixes sound so similar.

[@ackyducc5040]

My hot take: modern metal is superior to classic metal. Classic metal gets all the praise, but I find that most modern bands are generally way more interesting in terms of ideas and execution. People who hate modern metal just haven't tried to actually explore it. There's a world beyond baddiecore TikTok bands. I guarantee you'll find multiple bands you like if you actually just look.

[@DRockMyrick]

Sullivan King is doing interesting stuff with it

[@yohanloud2435]

Trap Metal- Bones , Scarlxrd, and GHOSTMANE Slam Metal - ESOPHAGUS, they have a great sound. Vocals over the top. Sanguisugabogg - this band has an original death metal sound with hardcore influence Blood Incantation- progressive death metal, awesome band DSBM - Shining

[@Hyperenealogical_Genesis]

Genuine prog metal has gotten so good, not any djent/thall but just pure creativity same with tech death, bands like BTBAM, solus, and first fragment, obscura, etc. have been putting out amazing stuff recently

[@Hyperenealogical_Genesis]

I meant to say Flub not solus lmao, first fragment on the brain ig

[@robogordon8441]

I recently came across Ennaria. She claims to be the first to blend hyper-pop and metal core in her song Monstarrr. To her credit, that's exactly what it is.

[@Bartholomule01]

I think Metal has had innovation since then. It just maybe hasn't gotten super popular. But I know you need to see awards and bands need to do numbers and stuff for it to count for you.

[@tkirk3660]

I never got the whole 5+ minute songs thing. I love Mastodon and finally listened to a few of their long tracks driving cross country last year, it was cool but i would never do it again.

[@williambrandon9660]

all genres are market segments, that's why they're so rigid

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Genres are general a description of music based on formal characteristics of the sound. This is less true of pop since that includes everything from whitney houston to bruno mars to avril lavigne

[@williambrandon9660]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA that's the first time thats ever been defined to me. cheers.

[@mattkasper3271]

A good song does NOT have to be short. A good song can be either short or long depending on what best fits the song artistically. Concise does not mean better. A longer story can be fulfilling. Its best to let art create itself rather than try to create art.

[@RanterInShades]

It would be nice to see some innovation in metal, but I think the issue is coming up with something that isn't completely batshit or really alienating but still fits the general aesthetic. That was what made people hate nu metal when it was new.

[@nickudeschini4812]

I'd push back to about 2013 or so because that's when Deafheaven put out Sunbather (yeah blackened Shoegaze existed before that but it wasn't a blip on the radar before that) but yeah it's all kinda been the same since then. Hell the big movement in death metal bands these days is "just sound like old Skinless demos from the mid 90s".

[@20cent]

Oh yeah because pop, hiphop, electro really reinvented themselves since 2010

[@rybo0072]

Darko US has been my favourite band since the first dethmask EP they mix industrial and deathcore so damn well and carry a nu metal attitude that works amazingly. I just wish they would start doing live shows considering darko is more relevant then both baby j and toms bands.

[@KytexEdits]

I'm very split, because I want metal to grow, and I'll never tell someone to not make music that appeals more to a bigger audience, I just struggle to personally enjoy a lot of it. Like Pain Remains by Lorna for example, saw them live, they were great, but if I listen to the album it becomes painfully obvious that they realized to the hellfire worked and decided to make 10 of the same song. I'm not kidding, think actively when listening to it: "Symphonic epic intro which then explodes, goes into some crazy stuff for 20-30 seconds, then goes into verse riff in a tech death style with symphonic stuff overlayed, then there is a slightly slower more expansive chorus with symphonic elements taking the forefront, then a breakdown then... etc etc. It's SO formulaic and boring it makes me want to fall asleep. If you play me into the earth their son as just it's own thing, I freaking love it, but as an entire album? Dude, this is not where I want things to move, but also, if it gets new fans to enter the genre, it's a good thing too. Either way I will never hate an artist for it or think metal has to remain small, it just frustrates me that this is what becomes popular.

[@aliasfakename2267]

I couldn't agree more, all of their songs are just a wall of noise and I can't tell the difference between any of them. I'll never understand why they are so popular.

[@RÅNÇIÐ]

I don't care about new stuff. I want old stuff but better.

[@Oziasdumpf]

I didn’t listen to metal lately. And than I occasionally listen to this Nu Metalcore. And it’s kinda sounds fresh. I was pessimistic but now I’m actually not