Metaphor ReFantazio Is BETTER Than I Imagined

[@MoreLimitless_]

How did all of you enjoy the Metaphor ReFantazio demo?

[@warm-heartedreaction6191]

it so hype

[@maskmanz3097]

I LOVE IT

[@captainRogue41]

it awesome 🤩

[@abe7363]

Grinding a bit of mag and money until released I have nothing to do until then

[@derekosgood3230]

I played the demo last night. I regret it. Not because it's bad, but because it's so good I'm even more excited to play it than I already was lol now I don't want to wait, and I knew that was gonna happen 😂 It's gonna be an amazing game.

[@MoreLimitless_]

You had me there for a second lol

[@antzcorner7405]

Same, I have to wait till I have more money to get it and it’s KILLING me 😭

[@derekosgood3230]

@@antzcorner7405 I feel you! This wait is going to feel extra long now 😆

[@derekosgood3230]

@ngoctienemnguyen1864 You do if you finish it before it officially releases

[@GilgaMax305]

The game genuinely feels like a celebration of everything Atlus has learnt over the years. I knew I was gonna like it, but I fucking love it.

[@sascha2266]

Yup same. Even placed a pre order just now after finishes the demo. Normally il wait for atlus releases since soul hackers 2... Well dissappointed

[@GilgaMax305]

​​​@@sascha2266 Same bro! Like you, I pre ordered Soul Hackers 2 and was severely disappointed with what we got. Haven't pre ordered an Atlus game since then, but Metaphor changed that for me. Can't wait for the full release 🔥

[@MoreLimitless_]

@@GilgaMax305 This really feels like the team at their best it’s no wonder the project has been in development for almost 8 years because the quality, at least in this demo, absolutely shows. I have almost nothing but praise for it currently, so hopefully that quality holds through the majority of the game.

[@makasete30]

I have persona 5 in my backlog but the high school environment never appealed to me. I always wanted it to be a fantasy or sci Fi world. Played the demo, and I'm hooked and have it preordered. I also enjoyed Romancing Saga 2 remake but there's just so many good games comming out, I might have to pick up a few on sale later.

[@CherikoSol]

I went from, I'll probably check this game out. To, "This will be the longest two weeks of my life..."

[@anon7596]

Hell yeah, I was completely surprised by this one. It went from "looks kinda weird, but eh, its a free demo" to Day 1 buy

[@gilroyscopa]

"This will be the longest 6 years of my life..." or however long it takes for "Metaphor Re:Fantasio FES Golden Royal" to come out 😞. No money to buy the same game twice.

[@wolfranger5526]

Same

[@Luttii]

I'm really curious about how the politcal subtext (is it even subtext at this point ?) will shape up Of course racism is one of the main topics of the game, but walking in the city and seeing all the homeless people, everyone being so cynical, and how fast people change opinion about powerful people (all things that were in P5 but way less in your face) Like "oh shit Louis killed the king ? He's bad" "but his speech was good" "oh he killed someone else right before our eyes, let's vote for him" Also More's Fantasy novel based on our world... but not really A world where there is only one tribe, with no discrimination (yeah no), where the rich and the poor live together (yikes), an utopia without war (lol) Since "we", the player, are seeing MC's world, will MC see our world too ? And which one will it be, More's utopia, or the dystopia that is our current world ? I can't wait to play the full game (Also love how the "this game is fiction" warning really focus on how the devs don't encourage attacks against governements or religions)

[@MoreLimitless_]

When It come's to more's fantasy, I think it's more of an Ideal world that in some ways can be seen as our reality. However, obviously nothing is as simple as "peace" "living with no discrimination" "Living in harmony" Not in any reality. History is a good example of this in how stories are exaggerated to be this perfect thing, but it's never so black and white. It'll be interesting to see how they choose to tackle these themes, but so far I think they're doing a good job with it.

[@TheHappyCatsTail]

it would be hard for them to not have it shape up to something pretty big at this point. its already way ahead of persona in the political subtext in just the demo alone. if they dont actually go somewhere with this it would actively detract from the experience now imo. and there is a zero % chance more's fantasy novel is actually the real world. its talking about a world that is far better then ours, but that reflects our own, to draw attention to the differences between them. i think thats the WHOLE point of the novel, the point being the fact that our world is just like theirs in many respects, full of... bad stuff lol. thats my current running theory at least, we are gonna have to wait till the full version to see if theirs any merit to that theory but god i dont wanna wait i wanna play it NOW ;D lol

[@john_7000]

I agree with everything you said hard, but I don't think this game is experiment for p6 like you said lol 😂😂 cuz this game is made by a different studio then the one making p6, but other then that you are right withe everything you and i even understand some of your negatives but i will tell you that the kevel design wull get better cuz we saw some dungeons from what they showed and they are creative, yes there is gonna be some lame ones 😂😂 no game is perfect but i am sure we gonna a lot of creative ones, this my most anticipated game this year and i just can't wait.

[@MoreLimitless_]

Experiment was maybe the wrong word to use, more like a glimpse at what P6 could eventually evolve into. Yes, this is a different studio but mostly in name, as the core team worked on the Persona games and a lot of familiar systems from those games are just built upon for this game. Atlus still uses projects like these especially as references for upcoming projects, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the iteration we see here makes it into P6 in some form or fashion.

[@john_7000]

@@MoreLimitless_ true agreed 👍👍 then you are completely right, I am so so sorry for misunderstanding you 😔 and sorry for my bad English 😅

[@azzam-ji9fh]

Wait they DO get better ?, the demo had me worried because the dungeon design paled in comparison to P5’s palaces.

[@SuperiorPosterior]

​@@azzam-ji9fh yeah, the tower climb and the mine were just tutorial dungeons, with the Cathedral already a decent sprawl, and the demo only lets us reach the first miniboss. To put it in Persona 5 terms, this is the Belphegor or Archangel fight narratively (if you equate Hulkenberg to Ann). I am personally expecting one or two more mid-bosses (especially if there's any form of Will Seed analogue).

[@patdzon]

I hope this or rebirth win GOTY awards. A day 1 purchase for sure.

[@captainRogue41]

Metaphor: ReFantazio GOTY 2024

[@Dank-Ewok]

I really hope so 😭 Altus deserves the dub

[@DoritosBurger]

Seems like many people were hoping this game would be bad so I’m glad to see all the KZbinrs praising it. That must make them so upset lol.

[@MoreLimitless_]

@@DoritosBurger It’s genuinely a good start to the game so far and even with my high expectations going in, I’m still impressed with the quality. The story is especially one aspect I was impressed with so hopefully that quality will continue going forward.

[@nishquikpops]

The demo was fantastic! I can't wait for the final release it's sooo soon 😭 My only hope is they properly patch out the PC version of the game.

[@MoreLimitless_]

Dude, it's so much better than what I was anticipating, and I was already positive about this going in. I'm locked in for release. I am curious what was wrong with the PC port for others? I was playing on the PC but didn't notice anything wrong.

[@nishquikpops]

@@MoreLimitless_ main issues were optimization and the fact that it wasn't utilizing running of a dedicated GPU but instead the CPUs integrated graphics unit. Also Steam Deck performance was pretty bad too. But I'm happy to hear that Atlus has noticed this and they're looking to patch this 👍🏽

[@stilltoonormal8985]

I pre-ordered the game months ago however I play the demo a few days ago with a friend and we will both pleasantly surprised like no joke it's like eating a cake however this demo is just the frosting my point is I cannot wait to see what the rest of the game holds

[@redmist8405]

It is Shin Megami tensei Nocturne but persona, but everyone's the main protagonist in terms of abilities. At literally press turns also yea lol

[@shotojae6007]

This is definitely the necessary progression for Atlus in terms of story and gameplay, perfecting what they’ve been doing with their titles like persona and mainline smt and making new IPS with the formula. Probably not the first time someone has thought “what if Atlus took what they’ve done and made a new fantasy story”, I can feel the soul and passion in this game just from demo alone. This is def a Atlus masterpiece, another classic made Atlus damn do they make good JRPGS.

[@Jaymo00]

The game looks beautiful! The one thing i notice is combat is extremely flashy. Hopefully spamming moves/ quickly searching through menus wont be overwhelming with all those colors & explosions lol

[@andrebaxter4023]

This game is going to be awesome. I’m in that optional dungeon abusing the mp replenish to train. 😎💪🏼. If you know, you know.

[@wolfranger5526]

I had not really followed metaphor all that close. Never saw trailer and really only knew the design of the MC. Then i saw they were going to actually release it on the PS4. So i decided to download the demo. I played the entire demo in one sitting then preorderd it right after. I was a bit worried about them ditching turn based combat at the beginning and going full action which is not my style of gameplay thank god they did not. Only negative is now i gotta wait 2 weeks to continue.

[@Getdown8319]

I like this concept a lot more than persona. I really can’t get into the high school life simulation aspect of persona. Now recruiting allies to help take over a kingdom is more of my speed. So I’m genuinely pretty excited after laying the demo they did a great job.

[@beyondearth6418]

It is indeed very good. It's performance on Steam/PC wasn't very good.

[@robertcinardi8552]

Persona in a medieval fantasy settings, visuals, lore, characters, dialogue, etc.

[@somekami3375]

After playing the demo I actually don’t want to wait anymore. *I need this game now*

[@Jacob9815]

I never played persona but, this demo is one of the best demos I’ve ever played and will definitely buy the full game

[@emdo2395]

the demo was sooooo good.. ive played persona 5 and all i can tell metaphor is better in every aspect.

[@NeoMusicGamer]

I love the in-universe reason for the background music. Its tge little details that strike me. Game was fantastic, I love the open world combat vs squad combat dynamic. Makes me curious how optimal grinding works for a perfectionist like me, whether its mowing down lower lvl enemies or tackling harder enemies for more xp per fight EDIT: I also think the dungeons are pretty decent. At least the main story dungeon at the end. There was an unmarked crawlspace behind some debris which led to a spare key, finding the room the key goes to starts a peril fight and rewards a chest key for a chest earlier in the floor, but continuing on allows you to open a shortcut back to it. Sure its not ground breaking but I feel its better than saying theyre linear and straightforward.

[@MoreLimitless_]

The dungeons are fine, but it's not level design that blows me away like a lot of other aspects in the game, which is why I point it out. I do think it'll get better the further along the game gets, and I hope it does, but just off the demo, level design was nothing that stood out imo.

[@keblin86]

Damn, bit of an update on my initial comment after getting to the last bit of the demo. After 5 hours I unlock that dreaded system that is in all the Persona games which I really thought was not going to show up here this time...dun dun dun... The dreaded (for me) time gated pick a thing to do style system, i.e go to a dungeon, or explore town. Do a side quest, unlock something that will progress time so u can't do something else...Urghhh, that system I hate it. It's the reason I can't get into Persona as much as I would like. This is very depressing to me. I know it sounds dramatic but it totally u-turns my opinion on the game. I won't be buying it day 1 now and will wait for it to be very cheap before buying. It's a shame but to me this completely disrupts my enjoyment of a game. I almost want to cry haha, it's why I can't get into things like Stardew Valley or anything with a time gated/energy gated system. I have to ask do any of you like these style of systems? You folk must do if they keep doing it in their games but mannnn I was really hoping it was gone this time and to not see it for 5 hours is really annoying lol.

[@MoreLimitless_]

@@keblin86 No, that’s totally valid. I used to enjoy the system and I think it still works to an extent, but especially in persona, they like to drag those sections out for so long. I think it can work better if those sections are spaced out more often and aren’t so long just to progress the story. I’m all for grinding levels, abilities, and stats so long as its engaging to play. And those sections, especially, can be a bit tiring to get through, so hopefully that feels different here.

[@rebletomars865]

While the menus do look good honestly I think they are a bit overstylized. While playing there were a number of times where I found myself lost/overwhelmed by the menus and struggled with them. Im sure its something I will get used too over time the fact that at times I struggled to tell what I was reading is an issue still.

[@MoreLimitless_]

@@rebletomars865 Yeah, that’s definitely valid because I felt the same at times

[@tobiasmartens1008]

if only the time mechanic were changed.

[@blakeasisco]

For UI, I HATE the angled text for battle actions that can be taken.

[@MoreLimitless_]

@@blakeasisco Yeah, that one of my few gripes as well

[@madkaiser4887]

Yeah you can tell this game really is shaping up to be not only one of the best games of the year, but also one of the best JRPGs of the year But definitely worthy of being that 3rd Atlus pillar and worth the VERY long wait it’s been for this game, since 2016.

[@MoreLimitless_]

The team from Persona really brought their all with this one. It builds on everything Persona and SMT have done and refines it further with this game. Even the quality of storytelling has gone up by just experiencing the demo alone. It feels like a step above what they've achieved up till now.

[@keblin86]

I have it on my wishlist, wasn't going to get it on release and didn't expect a demo...It is absolutely fantastic! I am so shocked too lol. My only minor gripe so far Is lack of mp recovery or rest spots. The only reason one boss and then another optional one straight after was slightly difficult was because I had no mp lol. I was sure I must of missed something as I felt I should of had a rest spot by then. But nope! Hmm. I imagine in time as u progress though this will get easier to manage.. Oh and I wish we could turn off the lines when you sprint, that is a bit bad on my eyes

[@MoreLimitless_]

Yeah I'm surprised they don't have a system where you can gain some MP back during dungeons in some way. I remember Persona 3 Reload had something like this with the clocks scattered throughout random floors.

[@TheHappyCatsTail]

this was me also but i was cheesy and used the mages attacks on the normal enemies in the overworld to recovery MP (the mage archtypes passive skill recovers MP from defeating enemies in the overworld, also in that area the weaker ones respawn every load screen.... (; lol.) to get enough to dive back into the second fight. not an ideal solution but.... it worked LOL

[@keblin86]

@@TheHappyCatsTail ohhh that is great, I should of looked at that but I only put the mage one on quite late lol. That's great though, something like that would do me! hopefully there is something better / expanded later though. I just used my MP items which I only had 5 of and they seem quite rare so far, so hopefully I won't regret that lol.

[@dante19890]

Whats up with the extreme oversharpening. It creastes a lot of aliasing artifacts. They need to change this.

[@thelaughingdragon32]

Personally, for me, i was sad that this game just feels too much like persona for me.

[@kamshik]

Honestly, a lot of the time it DID feel a lot like a reskin of P5. All of its game mechanics are essentially the same - the "find the weakness" combat, the personas(aspects), the morgana(fairy) sidekick, the "safe room" in the dungeons, the gradual increasing of 5 stats that don't provide any sort of feedback as to when they're actually going to level up, the "prison" otherworldly room that deals with your perso.. aspects. Actually, there isn't a single mechanic I can think of that is not lifted from persona. IMHO they played it a bit too safe with what they're familiar with. The ui is a work of art, it's actually the highlight of the game and nobody ever mentions it. Contrasting with that, the graphics are very lackluster. They seem to have tried to go for a "painterly" aesthetic, but the skybox looks like it's from doom 2, the meshes are flat and uninteresting and environments generally look like they'd be okay 20 years ago. Dungeon design (at least in the demo) is also very disappointing, consisting of plain brick walls and about a million empty barrels. Furthermore the "big city" looks very empty and not-lived-in. They've tried to remedy that with about a thousand "chatter" floating texts all around and some background voices but it just feels soulless and lacks character. The story is shaping up to be interesting, but that's to be determined after the credits roll.

[@joseduarte2146]

The weakness aspect. To do multiple turns comes from smt not Persona get your facts right And don’t be a hypocrite we don’t say red dead is the same as GTA.

[@kamshik]

@@joseduarte2146 The weakness aspect is much older than smt. Don't grasp at straws, I never claimed p5 originated any of those concepts, I assert that metaphor copies all of its game mechanics 1:1 from the way they are in p5, down to the minute details, which, again, just feels a bit too conservative. Red dead is mechanically MUCH different from GTA than Metaphor is from P5. And also, this is not even the major downside of the game in my view, since these mechanics are good. They're just reused because the devs didn't dare to innovate. The bigger problems with the game are the ones you did not address.

[@phillemon7664]

@@kamshik Nah Red Dead plays almost identically to GTA just change the weapons to wild west weapons and change all of the cars and planes to horses and carriages. Also add some minor survival game elements and it's kind of a reskin of GTA mechanically. I feel like Rockstar was too conservative with Red Dead 2, they should've made it where whenever you enter a brawl as Arthur it should've triggered a rhythm based mini game, for that I have to deduct points off of GTA: Wild West 2

[@kamshik]

@@phillemon7664 strawmanning won't work, kid. And if that's how you feel, fine. But what does GTA have to do with Metaphor's inarguable lack of even minor changes to the formula?

[@bighen2162]

if it ain’t broke don’t fix it 🤷

[@Senshi00]

Thank god, I play with original voices. This English dub is atrocious.

[@MoreLimitless_]

Interesting. I think this is the best English dub atlus has had in their Persona style games for a long while. You're probably just used to JP voices because objectively these actors are doing a really good job for this dub.

[@TheHappyCatsTail]

this is the best dub atlus has ever done and its not even close imo

[@standheaykic66]

Fyi your comment is at the bottom of the section.

[@astreakaito5625]

I just hope the writing will hold until the end this time. also the game default to japanese voice for a good reason imo. And it can't be a test for persona 6 when that game will be made by the P3R team mostly like and without Hashino there's little hope that they can do an actually awesome P6.

[@MoreLimitless_]

As with any big and long running franchise, P6 will probably build off of not only P5, but mechanics here that are quite literally building off of the core systems of Persona making it their own. Even if these are different studio's they still take in feedback from these games. And seeing how well these systems work already within the confines of Metaphor, it would be odd if they didn't use some design Idea's from this game and apply it to P6.

[@Jpcraque]

Persona 6 will much better.... Metaphor is a "meh" game

[@GRBLIN]

drawing conclusions about a game that has zero info released about it, and a game that has only shown the prologue is such a weird and ridiculous take

[@Jpcraque]

@@GRBLIN even the demo for Unicorn: Overlord was better and smaller but made me buy the game and i got hooked from the start to finish..... This is just big "meh".....a 2 or 3 hour demo it's not "a weird and ridiculous take"....it's just my opinion

[@boop733]

Unicorn overlord is pretty trash​@@Jpcraque

[@Jpcraque]

@@boop733well is better trash than metaphor and both are from Atlus..... Persona 3 Reload and Unicorn Overlord were the best JRPGs of this year by far!