Metaphor: ReFantazio - "What happens if you manage to Defeat the Shadow Creature?"

[@TheFoolTohru]

10k Views! 🪙 🪙 🪙 amazing... truly amazing! Thank you everyone who watched, and shared your experience with this eerie foe! 😈 Metaphor: ReFantazio is my Game of the Year no matter what! 🥇🥈🥉

[@kondorkristof8524]

You also get a voice line from Gallica for the actual fight saying "you already beat it once, you can do it again" or something like that

[@TheFoolTohru]

@kondorkristof8524 Oh yeah I do actually think I saw that as well! Pretty neat ngl

[@AlanJarrold]

I was kinda pissed. The voice line from Galica said avoid if you aren't confident. I thought "fuck it, I'm down to end this now". And it's back as soon as you go to the next room 🙃

[@TheFoolTohru]

@AlanJarrold tbf, if it didn't show up anymore in those other levels... would kinda feel quite dry ngl. It really creates an eerie tension

[@lucasprestes]

​@@TheFoolTohru hell with the tension, I drained all my resources to beat it and it still shows up later? Really disappointing, if only the reward was worth it at least...

[@TheFoolTohru]

@lucasprestes Don't make me throw you into the Shadow World 📺 my friend 😈

[@rin7071]

​@@TheFoolTohru hell nah😭🤚🏻

[@twakilon]

This was harder than the actual boss fight imo

[@TheFoolTohru]

@twakilon Yeah I felt the same. It's because of the consistent spam.

[@vietanh9112]

Yes because in the actual boss fight, you know their weaknesses

[@TheFoolTohru]

@vietanh9112 Yeah this too. But I know why the Shadowed Version doesn't have any weakness as well. Makes it even more ominous and intimidating. On top of being harder to overcome.

[@frozenstar8050]

"imo" it's a fact it was deliberately made so, you are not supposed to fight it

[@jotana_ch]

@@vietanh9112 wait wait wait. I just did the boss. It had a weakness???

[@PaladinLarec]

A health incense and no achievement? LOL

[@TheFoolTohru]

Lls yeah pretty lackluster ngl 😅 but at least what we got for the outcome was better then nothing at least

[@degreeskelvin3025]

It pissed me off, i just reloaded my last save

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@degreeskelvin3025 Lls damn

[@A1phaz0ne]

1500 money though

[@FC-jd1ck]

Imagine doing something for a pop up instead of doing it for the actual challenge

[@aidanpia5458]

The reward sycks cause if you beat that dragon at the start you get a decently strong sword. Youd think beating an enemy youre not suppose to would always give you decent rewards.

[@TheFoolTohru]

@aidanpia5458 Ohh I actually didn't know that. I didn't fight the dragon at first, I'm planning on doing that on Regicide. Guess I missed out big time it seems.

[@_Aidelweiss_]

@@TheFoolTohru it is a pretty cool early game sword for strohl. gave him fire basic attacks too

[@machodgdon]

The fact that this dosent have an achievement tied to it is one of the most bizarre decisions Atlus has made in a minute. I literally remember beating this, having no MP and barely any health yet, and letting out an aiudible "WHAT" after not getting anything from this. If I didnt know about the mage mp trick I would have been screwed

[@shutup1037]

Good thing I always run from it

[@josepass2563]

Wait what mage mp trick?

[@musicarain4702]

At least there's a save room literally right before this encounter

[@Armed_Plumber]

​@@josepass2563 While I am not sure which trick they are referencing about, I personally found two methods that make MP management in dungeons much easier: 1. Equip MC with Mage archetypes, and kill/stun enemies in real-time combats with it. Each stun/kill grant 1 MP regen for your whole team. So if you go crazy in a group of fodders, your team usually get 4~8 MP out of it. But this method is repetitive, and insufficient once your skill cost more MP, this is why I recommend another methods once it became available: 2. Unlock a skill in Wizard's skillset that allow a character to auto-regen 10 MP each turn as long as said character have a buff on them. Combine this with equipments/skills that grant you auto-buff at the beginning of battles, it wil give your character free MP regen each turns. Stack it up with some other skills/equipments that auto-regen MP in a different amounts, and you are looking at 30~ MP regen each turn. With this, not only you can cut down MP costs by a lot, but also quickly regen a ton of MP by stunning a enemy, enter battle, pass turn for two rounds, and then escape. After that, if you need more, just repeat the loop on the same enemy. This method straight up trivialize MP management. Hope this helps. If you have further questions, let me know and I will try to answer them.

[@Armed_Plumber]

​@@josepass2563 While I am not sure which trick they are referencing about, I personally found two methods that make MP management in dungeons much easier: 1. Equip MC with Mage archetypes, and kill/stun enemies in real-time combats with it. Each stun/kill grant 1 MP regen for your whole team. So if you go crazy in a group of fodders, your team usually get 4~8 MP out of it. But this method is repetitive, and insufficient once your skill cost more MP, this is why I recommend another methods once it became available: 2. Unlock a skill in Wizard's skillset that allow a character to auto-regen 10 MP each turn as long as said character have a buff on them. Combine this with equipments/skills that grant you auto-buff at the beginning of battles, it wil give your character free MP regen each turns. Stack it up with some other skills/equipments that auto-regen MP in a different amounts, and you are looking at 30~ MP regen each turn. With this, not only you can cut down MP costs by a lot, but also quickly regen a ton of MP by stunning a enemy, enter battle, pass turn for two rounds, and then escape. After that, if you need more, just repeat the loop on the same enemy. This method straight up trivialize MP management. Hope this helps. If you have further questions, let me know and I will try to answer them.

[@nillsthefunexpert2571]

i expected at least a bigger reward.

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@nillsthefunexpert2571 Same.

[@vitorfurryado]

damn. thats some disappointing outcome. I nearly made it through my playthrough, but at their low health, they managed to crit me 3x and bam. At least know i know what happens

[@TheFoolTohru]

Yeah I feel you on that. Glad I could assist and show you this.

[@sooodesuneee]

@@TheFoolTohru how do u have so many magla pill? o_o

[@Go_245]

While the reward is dissapointing, this boss fight is kinda fun to solve. First i tried to debuff their AGI so i can dodge but its not consistent making my team died in long run. After some trial and error I found out that brawler can resist boss's attack, so i make my whole team brawler to tank boss's damage and use heismay spamming [knight procalamation] to tank boss's debuff

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@Go_245 huh... that's an interesting strategy not bad ngl.

[@awesome2927]

i did the exact same thing lol minus the heismay part. i tried to use heismay as a dodge tank while debuffing agi but i ended up just kinda overwhelming it with merchant mc

[@legendaryseph9406]

It’s actually great if you do the evasion strat, with shield arts you can keep it down consistently at 3 and dealing damage, almost every single time it will miss once getting rid of the second hit of the AOE

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@legendaryseph9406 Shield 🛡 Arts us a valid skill for mitigating damage.

[@DarknessDpa]

Decided to quickly look up if there was any major reward or not for this before I go attempting it. Unless it being gone let's you get a treasure you otherwise couldn't get, I'm glad i didn't start going to waste my time

[@ultimateqmazing2537]

Ok so due to grinding out archetype levels in the desert right after the first dungeon, I was level 40 by the time I got to this part and it was laughably easy.

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@ultimateqmazing2537 sheesh! I commend you for your commitment.

[@ultimateqmazing2537]

@TheFoolTohru it's a bad habit I inherited from my big brother. In RPG's we start the grind as soon as we can so we can breeze through even on the hardest difficulties.

[@darkchibiterasu2907]

I did this on New Game Hard Mode (Don't have Regicide unlocked yet) I used 4 Brawler, which halves the damage, giving three Gold Attack for the high crit chance and one with Media for heals. And for the record, beating the second shadow creature fight nets a different incense. Not worth it if you're looking for rewards but I felt pretty good beating it both times without using up all my items.

[@TheFoolTohru]

Damn Brawler is much more legit then I thought! For my Regicide run i'm definitely gonna use it more especially for this fight. Appreciate this info!

[@DDD_Tinker]

This is actually my first time hearing the Japanese voices loll they're really cool!!

[@TheFoolTohru]

@DDD_Tinker Forreal? Damn that's crazy. Glad you like them. They are quite well done.

[@ChicCanyon]

I beat it twice before realizing beating wasnt worth the effort

[@legendaryseph9406]

The best way that I saw to beat it was by having its Hit/evasion down all the way by using Shield Arts and dealing damage by using jump thrust just keeping those debuffs up. Almost every single time it misses one of us which removes a turn counter meaning we don’t get hit by the second, only removing daze from Strohl and hulkenburg for the synth atk and using Will as a pure healer with Seeker, Heismay being the extra body to use items or extra damage if necessary, debating on loading my save file if it doesn’t give me much

[@TheFoolTohru]

Hmm.. not a bad tactic ngl. Good info.

[@2012knp]

You can actually beat it without grinding. Debuff its accuracy to the max and keep it that way throughout the fight. It’ll constantly lose turns that way

[@Nameless0131]

Yeah that’s what I did, and then I spammed the gunner skill that makes it weak to pierce

[@awesome2927]

i did this boss fight bc i knew u got a special item for doing the last optional one and then they just don't give u anything for this one. kinda unfortunate but i liked doing the boss fight

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@awesome2927 same. I really wanted to see if I could beat it.

[@kvotheosem-sangue]

U serious? Did the first one and then didnt for the other 2. What did it gave u?

[@awesome2927]

@@kvotheosem-sangue i only did the first one with the dragon sorry i worded it kinda weird

[@TheSixers88]

Thanks for this video, died my first time on normal fighting the thing after an unlucky streak of him doing 5 are slams in one turn 😅. I was hoping for a weapon but yeah....definitely not worth it.

[@TheFoolTohru]

@TheSixers88 No Problem, glad I could help. Definitely could have a better reward ngl. This fight was not easy.

[@kashigaa1638]

i did this yesterday and i was expecting a exclusive item or something.

[@TunTun0]

not worth it for the reward, but cuz you can freely walk around

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@TunTun0 True. But also and epic fight nonetheless.

[@TunTun0]

@@TheFoolTohru you can cheese it using the brawler in the entire team, the baby will barely do damage.

[@chancetheunrapper144]

I did this on my first playthrough, I was hoping it would skip the stealth sections but it just comes back right after. Pretty lame and you barely even get any xp

[@toddboyles3907]

When you walking front of it after defeating it it doesn't make you fight it again you can just walk by it

[@mweeee]

@@toddboyles3907Yes, it does For me at least, it triggered a second fight

[@alliciyiageorge6546]

Yeah I didn’t want to fight that thing more than I had to. I was so mad it kept healing I had just enough mp and items to beat it though.

[@naufalalghifary]

i legit thought i should’ve beat it no matter what, but then it summons like 2 or 3 more in the latter stage and it is skippable the whole time

[@inuclearpickle8628]

I had faker on heismay the entire fight I had him debuffing his defense and agility so I could take off a turn wasn’t worth the time or mana that fight costed me

[@TheFoolTohru]

@inuclearpickle8628 Ohh, a faker heismay. Most people kept him an assassin (including me) for the first dungeon. I usually try to level up the unique/initial class before I switch to another one. But that's a smart tactic.

[@mweeee]

@@TheFoolTohruI also made him Faker/General Having a party member constantly use buff/debuff moves makes bosses so much easier

[@TheFoolTohru]

@mweeee That is true.

[@-fizzle-729]

I thought it would do something cool like if you defeated it then you wouldn't have to do it when the time comes

[@foxu3478]

I know from CrystAAHHL ctreams that the baby just runs away

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@foxu3478 Oh wow, you watch her too? That's something else ngl

[@noahpinkston2620]

I didn't feel like sneaking, so I attacked it. After a long and difficult battle, the rewards were subpar.

[@Lorcodio]

Same with the ear dudes from the Temple, hard af, shitty reward

[@biffin1123]

Atleast the game explains why the ear dudes come back until you kill the main body. This one has no explanation why it is back immediately in the next room

[@pilot_aki]

I didn't even get a reward when I fought the ear enemy early.

[@crazymage5316]

This is still the best song in the game

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@crazymage5316 "Wings of Freedom enters the chat..."

[@crazymage5316]

@ there both good but this one gets me hyped

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@crazymage5316 Respect. Same for me.

[@catatonic165]

​@@crazymage5316I agree with you, i wish this was the boss theme as opposed to the other one that plays

[@ricardogomez104]

Spoiler en Español. Si le ganan solo se retira, pero vuelve a aparecer en la siguiente zona en la que se supone que iba a aparecer. No hay escenas extras ni nada pensado por si se derrota a la primera

[@yoshikohanabatake436]

In hard here i was overleveled a little too much, with full merchant i kill this boss here and after like in 3 turns haha, still playing my run, i got eupha and she is level 42 when i am 52 lmao

[@TheFoolTohru]

@yoshikohanabatake436 Oh you went all Merchant? Interesting. And yeah you grinded big time lls

[@hidekiyoshida1521]

Hey, can you tell me the name and where did you get that greatsword for Strohl? The one with the sun (?) and golden blade

[@TheFoolTohru]

@hidekiyoshida1521 It was a reward from a quest in the Royal Trad. I can't exactly remember his name, but his request was ro find the Legendary Hero King Sword. You have to go to Mt. Vulkano for it

[@gabriele2895]

How did you get 99 Magla pills? I can't find them

[@johnhogan8224]

Tbf it’s probably new game plus

[@highwizard6764]

I'd like to think that's the weakened version of the boss for that dungeon Their body is just too similar

[@AzureKyle]

It's literally the boss at the end of the dungeon skulking around looking for food.

[@ubergamer2010]

It's not a mystery, it's just part of the dungeon... were you paying attention? They make it very clear the mysterious beast is the same as the boss at the end. It's kind of the reason you're in the dungeon in the first place.

[@dr.gharmensir6327]

How the hell you get 91 MP potions while I am straggling with only 3 to buy

[@Mystic_Cory]

So is this like the Reaper version of this game like how There’s a reaper in persona games

[@TheFoolTohru]

Yeah it actually does favor the Reaper type doesn't it?

[@hervygervy8530]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how did you manage to make the protagonist move twice in a row? (I haven’t beaten the game yet so if the answer is a spoiler please ignore me)

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@hervygervy8530 Not a stupid question at all. It's the accessory the Phantasmal Doll. You can buy it at the accessory shop in the Grand Trad before you storm the Grand Cathedral with Strohl.

[@AnaBugiated]

You have an extra turn if you hit enemy weakness

[@TheFoolTohru]

@AnaBugiated True. But in Metaphor it doesn't work like it does in Persona. You only get to get a second turn with the character you used with that particular accessory. Exploiting a weakness just gives you an extra press turn.

[@hervygervy8530]

@@TheFoolTohru goodness me, how did I miss that? Thank you!

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@hervygervy8530 No Problem.

[@nimrowd2023]

Experience.

[@usurpererenyeagar4587]

rewards sucks but fight actully makes you use debuff items and skills i just spammed the agility and defense debuff on him while having 1 character have very high evasion so he only gets 2 turns

[@shockwav3xx]

How the hell do u get so many MP items?

[@AidenLS]

Hacking

[@abdallahyogi7891]

How can you have master rank on your classes? I am lvl 24 and my classes are only like lvl 15. Is there a way to not gain xp but only class xp?

[@TheFoolTohru]

@abdallahyogi7891 Yeah the Archetype level up items. Hero's Leaf of Light, and Heroes Jeweled Root.

[@abdallahyogi7891]

@@TheFoolTohru where do u farm em?

[@TheFoolTohru]

@abdallahyogi7891 There's not really any set place with increased drops that I know off. I just did alot of testing with things.

[@yoozy3800]

Level up at least one of your archetypes to master (lvl 20) and then for each time you level up through combat, you earn one Hero Leaf of Light (grants 1000 archetype exp)

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@yoozy3800 This is true.

[@rokiecookie3832]

at least for beating that dragon you got a sick ass greatsword, why not give the players anything here? like idk binkie gloves that can hex the enemy on hit or smth

[@mweeee]

this was disappointing the fight wasn’t that difficult, but I wasted all my MP on it and then it shows right back up

[@Memegga1]

How get magla pil dan potion 99 ?

[@AzureKyle]

My guess is either cheating, or New Game +

[@ahmedfalahy9337]

Can farm those butterflies enemies, they drop magla pills. With the merchant skill Lucky Find, it's easier to farm

[@anastasiyazoldyck6453]

Cheat Engine of course

[@thepooner9417]

Hey how did your main character get 2 turns in a row like that? 2 cyclo's in a row?

[@TheFoolTohru]

@thepooner9417 The Phantasmal Doll accessory. You can get it at the accessory shop before you raid the Grand Cathedral with Strohl In the Prologue.

[@matthewalvarez6884]

Yea I did it and it was literally nothing worth it. I regretted spending 10 minutes on the fight

[@qwertypoiuy8498]

holy fuck I did this in normal, around lv 26 or 25 I think, with sthroll as merchant, mc as knight, heismay as gunner and hulken as knight, and that took a lot of tries getting the right match up and the right equipment, it was hard for me haha, thank god I didn't give up to grinding before fighting him, instead I choose the right strat and class 😂😂😂

[@qwertypoiuy8498]

I mainly rely on merchant+gunner skills and merchant+knight skills, the one that can add strike weakness on your enemy for one time, so I can have it two time

[@TheFoolTohru]

@qwertypoiuy8498 Wow you really were tenacious with this I commend you. I didn't even expect this video to reach so many but it's so interesting to see everyone's tactics on beating this thing. I just straight up brute forced it 👊🏾

[@PlayWithPiwi_PWP]

Damn totally not worth it😂 glad iam searching it before fighting that big baby.

[@polymer2]

how do u get sm magla potions???

[@jordanaftab1181]

New game plus

[@spkd123]

@@jordanaftab1181 oooor just farm the enemies who drop them with merchant equipped. I got a x99 extremely fast

[@carolinedavis8339]

Shoulda at least made the proper boss fight start with less health or something, woulda been nice.

[@TheFoolTohru]

@carolinedavis8339 I actually agree with this ngl. It would have made perfect sense.

[@Joker-ru7zl]

Or something like having only one eye it would give you an advantage without making the fight too easy

[@sweetcheey]

Yeah I did it myself too and it wasn't worth it lmao waste of resources

[@TheFoolTohru]

@@sweetcheey What I'm really curious about is... how will this fight fare when I play on Regicide next playthrough...

[@benja_geek_world]

650 exp? and a health incense xD They have to fix a lot of grind problems and other things, they're going to release a “deluxe” version to fix all that and charge us 60 bucks again, MF. Not my goty although it's a good game

[@TheFoolTohru]

@benja_geek_world I will say I wish the rewards were better for certain fights like this one... but I believe the grind has always been the hot topic in most rpg games. Especially Atlas ones. On one end, you don't want everything just to be given to you with no real risk, but on the other hand you want the risk to match the reward more consistently as well.

[@hustheposum]

This pissed me off. Why even allow us to fight it.

[@TheFoolTohru]

@hustheposum Well even without a supee awesome reward... it was still an epic match.

[@JG3709]

Wow that's disappointing. Guess they didn't have the balls to just end the dungeon there. Respect your players intelligence please devs, why would the characters allow the human to walk away after beating it? Surely they just kill it then and there ?

[@LaSignoraTheFairLady]

i beat it once.. it wasnt worth it

[@Guggz]

>99x of everything, even Magla potions You had to cheat to beat that thing? C'mon, bro... I beat it on my first try just to see if I could. The game is possibly the easiest RPG Atlus has made.

[@TheFoolTohru]

@Guggz That's not for that reason. I experiment alot with things. Trust me I don't need to cheat to win.