Why Jotaro Never Got Weaker After Stardust Crusaders

METAs - I don't think Jotaro ever got weaker after p3 so I thought I would explain it for you peep!
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[@METAsMETAs]

So before I get the whole stand stat (the letters) argument here. they’re bullshit. They have never been consistent and a majority of the time are just wrong. the only thing that matters on those things is the stand description.

[@METAsMETAs]

Tbh I don’t know why I haven’t made a video on them. They’re like really bad. Kiss for example. If I remember correctly, there were so bad people in the early days of the part three anime redid them to make them consistent.

[@JhoJhoScalesandVs]

I think they *can* be useful in scaling, but you need to look at the descriptions and the chapters they are placed between to figure out if the stats are referring to the ability or the stands physical stats.

[@METAsMETAs]

@@JhoJhoScalesandVs 100%

[@resonantdock]

That'd just be ignoring the information given to you by the author..

[@grapepapa]

The descriptions are written from the same perspective and with the same reasoning as the stats. If the stats are bullshit, it seems contradictory to put faith in the descriptions (especially since we've heard "the ultimate ability" so many times).

[@justinn8541]

Jotaro was a victim of power creep.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

Ironically star platinum was still considered one of if not the most powerful stand until made in heaven showed up

[@mrinsomniac2968]

but there isnt...power creep in jojo? also in the context of the battle he couldnt even focus on everything since he had to both deal with puchi and protecting jolyne

[@Lifelsfullofsurprises]

@@mrinsomniac2968power creep is real though. We got from vampires to now stands that fuck up reality and shi

[@DarkraiDrive]

This is insanely accurate lmao, might be the best way of describing it to an ignoramus

[@mrinsomniac2968]

@@Lifelsfullofsurprises the change of vampires/hamon to stands is due to explore better ideas and purely hamon since it has been limited and now for those said stands are in themselves strong their abilities isnt what makes them strong but their users, the only stand that goes against this statement is both d4c and and maybbeeee made in heaven since made in heaven was used to counter puchi by the end

[@juandalepringle420]

Why didn't Jotaro use Star Finger to save his marriage?

[@kanestalin7246]

Star Finger Za Warudo*

[@bradleygomez3742]

That's what I'm saying

[@patrickgowen324]

Maybe because he didn’t want to think that his marriage was saved from fingering his wife? That’s my best guess, and yes I know how it sounds. (And likely doesn’t make sense)

[@R34S0N3R]

Cuz that would kill his wife 😂

[@bradleygomez3742]

@@R34S0N3R If you use it incorrectly

[@GoldLock2]

the fact that part 4 jotaro survived a kira bomb validates he did NOT get weaker atleast durability wise

[@grapepapa]

He didn't. Sheer Heart Attack explicitly works differently from Killer Queen. Bites The Dust is more akin to Killer Queen, and he definitely didn't survive that. Besides, Shigechi survived a KQ bomb inches from his face. That's a low bar to clear.

[@angellara7040]

Sheer heart attack is an actual explosion while killer queen is actually silent, doesn't actually explode and more or less rips things apart on the atomic level. He also almost died from sheer heart attack. Unless you mean the other kind of explosion because only killer queens other bombs isn't that stronger

[@Jeff_Biden]

plenty of characters survive kira bombs, unless its a direct bomb. which hayato only survives because josuke repaired him in time

[@parry3439]

​@@Jeff_Biden who survived kira bombs? the only other one i could think of was josuke.

[@boredwithnaming8122]

@@parry3439 shigechi does survie the coin bomb

[@JackgarPrime]

He didn't get weaker, people just came prepped to face him better. By part 4, he's something of a legend among the Stand using community as the guy who took Dio out, so you have to have a "what happens if Jotaro shows up" plan ready to go.

[@R34S0N3R]

Hell, even before fighting Dio, One of the D'arby brothers mentioned he would do the "Ora Ora Thing" which meant 2 things, one is that Jotaro was gaining notoriety for being hella strong amongst Dio's minions and they probably spread that around, 2. Stand cries are VERY clearly audible and it isn't something like KnY's visual effects being all performative. By part 4 as you said people already knew he was trouble. In part 5 Italy was safe because he didn't bother to show up.

[@ReanBlep]

I do agree to your statement that people especially pucci was prepared for him but he did get physically weaker tho, he was in a coma before the final fight.

[@Pax_R]

?

[@dumbfuckShitass]

@@ReanBlep I get what you are saying but everyone is gonna be slightly weaker after being in a coma for a week or 5. The fact that even then Jotaro had a chance to kill Pucci speaks for itself Even temporarily weakened it would've been a slightly even fight if not for Pucci going after Jolyne

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@ReanBlepi would say only dura and fighting skills are affected, not ap but yeah

[@gustavogarcia8783]

Just the fact that Jotaro had a chance to win against made in heaven shows how strong he still is

[@LegendGamer-dj8om]

he didnt. He got bailed out by annasui like 3 times

[@qurtyna4327]

@@LegendGamer-dj8om he would destroy pucci in a secound if not Jolyne, instead of fighting he was protecting her all the time

[@LegendGamer-dj8om]

@@qurtyna4327 Yeah, no.

[@qurtyna4327]

@@LegendGamer-dj8om me when i watch the show with my eyes closed

[@ShokyoLeaf]

@@qurtyna4327 frrrrr its like dbz fans who "totally" read the manga

[@MeisuMeisu23]

I think what a lot of people don’t quite realize about Part 4 specifically is that the game plan for a majority of fights , the good guys automatic win state, is getting the bad guy within spitting distance of Jotaro. lol

[@bananabanana484]

Surface was an twist o this, with the win condition being the opposite

[@Grape_Rush_Goat]

I wonder how things would have went down with Yuya Fuyumi (if that’s the name I can’t exactly recall rn) or the “rps stand kid” (can’t recall their names either) if Jotaro was involved in those battles…

[@Grape_Rush_Goat]

@@bananabanana484which was cool

[@MaximusChivus]

Or have one of josukes traps go off

[@HarunoSoul]

Jotaro was an absolute MONSTER in Part 3 and 4. Part 6 he just feels way older than he actually is(He's 40 in part 6.) And also with Araki's new art style, it looks like all the muscle he had withered away.

[@swagvegito2592]

Part 6 looks like everyone muscles withered away lol. Muscles been slimming down since after part 3, part 4 body art style was perfect balanced of not too buff but not too skinny and should’ve stayed that way. They been built thinks since part 5 but that definitely doesn’t affect the part or story in no way shape or form .

[@GAarcher]

@@swagvegito2592 *no, part 5 perfect, we like femboys here 100%* Yeah, that is sure irony ok

[@boomboomx7633]

I think this is only an art style change, because when you see the flashback story of Polnareff you can see Jotaro's muscles way slimmer, so in theory they are the same throughout the show. But they could be slimmer since yk, he's old like you said.

[@GomuxGomu]

Your not helping the JJBA community beat the gay allegations. On pride month too is crazy.

[@SentientOrang]

@@swagvegito2592 In part 6 it was primarily the artstyle but it does make sense in the later part of the season for Jotaro to have a slimmer body, because during Jotaro's coma, the speedwagon doctor described Jotaro suffering from muscular dystrophy due to prolonged inactivity

[@Truck-kun11]

I would say that in Parts 4 and 6 he is clearly rusty since as he himself said it had been years since he used the Time Stop and it seems to me that he had never had to face someone on the same level as Dio again until Pucci showed up.

[@Diggerwipper]

No thats just because his “rage mode” was never activated after part 3

[@pheonix8167]

@@Diggerwipperso,stuff don t stay same overtime :/

[@j_official4138]

yeh he never really trained to improve his time stop

[@hermitcard4494]

This makes better sense than Rtarded ptsd types of fan excuse.

[@succubastard1019]

@@j_official4138 Even if he did I doubt his time-stop would ever be as busted as Dio's.

[@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264]

I think the reason Jotaro stopped using Time Stop after Part 3 is because of its association with Dio. Stands are the manifestation of one's soul, and since Dio (who Araki describes as the living embodiment of evil in the series) had the "same stand" with the same ability, it brings into question Jotaro's own nature. So, to avoid being reminded of this existential connundrum, Jotaro just decided not to use Time Stop unless he really needed it which was almost never.

[@keshavthakur2098]

Also jotaro had PTSD according to many fans so I guess using the power that got his friends killed can be mentally draining

[@buny0058]

@@keshavthakur2098 Love this. This would also imply that at some point between part 5 and 6 he overcame it. Such length's a father would go for surviving for the sake of his daughter

[@R34S0N3R]

Also an interesting continuation for this would be that Part 4 Jotaro only stopped time for 2 seconds, kind of as if to say "I can stop time, but I hate using it, so I'll just use it sparingly." It makes sense if you see it that way

[@hiagustres]

My guess is that he just didn't had any reason to be using it. Why would he? A lot of people in real life would probably use time stop all the time for their own benefit, but Jotaro wouldn't be using his power to take advantage of people or daily situations. He most likely would only use it in an absolute emergency.

[@Maina980]

Jotaro using time stop for no reason: Jospeh: I know what kind of man you are

[@fengshuimaster7880]

Bro part 6 jotaro had to face pucci with batman levels of prep time on him, fighting a stand which is absolutly broken (only getting beaten out by stands that have power that is just on a different level of bullshit) and if it wasnt for him targeting jolyne, he would of gotten his head turned into soup. Not enough people understand how absolutely overprepared pucci was and despite everything, he was only a few steps away from caving in the guys head who is beyond infinitly fast. Jotaro kujo, is a fucking unit.

[@hwowownkyouma8702]

This

[@jacket6139]

Pucci was way too strong for Jotaro. He's strong enough to easily kill all the main protagonists wiping out everybody. The only reason he lost is because not only is weather forecast a hard counter to MIH. But it's also biblical. Weather forecast finally got his revenge on his brother through the last hope emporio. And his stand, with the cross on him and angelic design. Defeated white snake, the snake being known as Lucifer in the Bible. A false god that leads people to downfall.

[@NihilisticSnake]

The fact that Pucci needed to learn all of Jotaro's moves and acquire an even more broken Stand in order to beat him should really have been enough to nullify the idea that Jotaro was a weakling after Part 3.

[@JamesBob1337]

And even then, he still needed to use his only weakness (Jolyne) in order to beat him up.

[@Teknanam]

@@JamesBob1337That was mainly cause of Anasui. . Jotaro alone gets instantly murked.

[@Blambmo]

@@Teknanam Unless Pucci manages to reach speeds faster than Light he cannot blitz a non Plot nerfed Jotaro. Jotaro himself stating at some point that Pucci was as fast as a bullet train. Jotaro by himself would def win most of the time

[@Teknanam]

@@Blambmo Pucci didnt start attacking until he could blitz Jotaro. He was clearly wrong about the bullet train or Pucci just got faster when he cut Jotaro's neck. The only important MiH Pucci match-up is the one that actually fought Jotaro. Not the hypothetical slow MiH.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@Teknanamhis dura was nerfed due coma, so anasui buff is fair specially since diver dive dura is way lower than peak star platinum

[@bigpurplepops]

"Peaked at 17."

[@METAsMETAs]

LMFAO I got it

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

18*

[@marcovicente87]

Is like saying that super senior that live off of his high school career and highlights 😭😭😂😂

[@AUG_Glow]

Drake ahh description

[@Reppen555]

i do love the fact that part 6 jotaro casually throws a spear

[@Online9ine]

That was nice

[@Juztjynx]

Pucci being able to speed up STOPPED time should be enough for someone to comphrehend the that he was simply too strong for jotaro

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

I wouldn't say too strong wdym, mih is pretty weak when you know the weakness , if anything jotaro would have more chance if he fought alone

[@christianrivera4255]

But he lost to a guy who changed the air compound

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@christianrivera4255because what else would he have done? Stopped breathing even though he didn't know the air was poisoned? That's a null point

[@adamnoobmaster7490]

How can he speed up time when time is stopped? Its not slowed, its STOPPED

[@jamesdennison7290]

​@@adamnoobmaster7490 Actually it is slowed lol. Time "stop" is only slowing down the flow of time to an imperceptible rate. There's at least three examples of people moving in "stopped" time.

[@demi-femme4821]

I can't believe people lowball Jotaro because of Sheer Heart Attack. Don't they remember? SHEER HEART ATTACK HAS NO WEAKNESSES.

[@IAlwaysComeBack1987]

"If I kill the user, the Stand dies too. Do you understand?"

[@scoffeex1740]

Around 5:00 That's not how power scaling works in JoJo. If person A beat person B and person B beat person C, person A isn't necessarily stronger than person C. Jotaro didn't get a rage boost that amplified his power, he just used all of his innate strength to destroy The World, this doesn't mean he's stronger than DIO, it just means Star Platinum's strength stat is higher than The World's durability stat; if DIO didn't summon The World right then and there and just took the hit he would just eventually regenerate because Jotaro didn't use the sun or hamon, he would have won. Jotaro was only able to kill The World, not DIO himself. if the stand dies the user dies too so this had to happen this way. This is also why Jotaro is NOT "power creeped" by Made in Heaven, he could have ended Pucci in stopped time but he chose to save Jolyne instead. Of course he wouldn't have been able to know when to stop time without the help of Anasui but it's not impossible. Koichi's Echoes Act 3 would beat Made in Heaven, there's no such thing as power creep.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Honestly, if anything, it means the people over time know how to prepare for the legend that is Jotaro and the reason Kira didn’t is because he likes his lifestyle and would never bother to actively make countermeasures against Jotaro. Also, I guess his adventure generally did not have people that could counter his attacks, and anyways his weakness is his family members.

[@Doxe420]

It's directly stated in guidebooks that Star Platinum surpasses The World in destructive power and techniques. *"With overwhelming destructive power and techniques that surpassed even The World, it buried countless formidable enemies!"* (JoJoveller) Additionally, The World and Star Platinum have clashed directly with their fist, Jotaro overpowering him. Ontop of that, It's directly stated in JoJoveller that he did get a rage amp. *1. "In the face of DIO's invincible Stand he initially stood no chance, but his anger allowed him to grow rapidly."* *2. "Perhaps the most outstanding aspect of Star Platinum is its ability to grow."* Furthermore, You yourself literally admitted: "He wouldn't of known when to stop time without Anasui." He's not beating MIH in a 1v1 with no outside help He's consistently blitzed on THREE separate occasions (Meta's left out where Anasui saves him by pulling him up to the roof) And again, Araki himself even believes that MIH was the pinnacle of his power system at that time. So regardless of how you want to loophole it, MIH was created to surpass Star Platinum in a fight.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@Doxe420sp was kinda nerfed in stats after the coma and jotaro was being pulled into fight rather than joining it in his own way, jotaro could have surely beaten mih, this is jojo anyone can beat anyone

[@Ghostface833]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@ohhellwhereami2574Jotaro never implied that he was weaker after the coma and no, he could have never beaten Made in heaven. There was physically no way for Jotaro to secure victory over Pucci and Araki makes that very clear. The anyone can beat anyone argument doesn’t even make sense here because it’s not objectively applicable to all situations and like I said, there was absolutely nothing Jotaro could do.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@Ghostface833 it's said in one of desc, his health condition was unknown after coma, there sure is something hindering him it's all clear otherwise araki wouldn't have put that line , also why jotaro would imply he's weaker it's not like he had time Or speculation to do after, it's not like he needs to specify he's weaker after obvious deadly situation he was in, his body was essentially rotting away before disc retrieval bear that in mind plus jotaro could beat mih if he uses unalive objects against him, jolyne did got a significant scar on him and star platinum is way more precise

[@Yozora_Verum_Rex]

Pucci needed a whole part to find a way to beat Jotaro knowing every single character aspect of him so that he can finally revenge his Dio

[@koheletcalaforexclan6508]

Physically I think, since it was noted some of his muscles were degrading, but this is Jojo where Soft and Wet can kick butt! I don’t think Physicality and Stands are really concurrent (ignoring Holly). If anything, Pucci’s power was just too strong, as it was meant to be.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

Wdym weaker stat wise? He's still stated most invincible in terms of stat alone even in part 4

[@hhhh9740]

He can run less far during time stop

[@Pokemaster-wg9gx]

Holly's was because Dio shenanigans force awakening an undeveloped stand she couldn't handle that was essentially just a stand tumor on her because she didn't have the knowledge or fighting spirit to command and develop it

[@monki7468]

In summary, the villains just got stronger

[@Jeffydaniel_therealisiah]

Ur kinda dumb bro lowkey he’s obv gonna be weaker when he’s middle aged that’s how humans r he only gotta stand not saying he would of beat him if he was in his glory days but he did get weaker

[@benfrank9622]

and more cunning.

[@JustA_Dumbass]

if u realize, jotaro dead 3 times first: jotaro stop his heart bass (dead) (part 3) second: jotaro dead again before josuke arive (part 4) third: he dead again in part 6 fourth: he dead again in alternative universe (part 6)

[@rock-hv6ns]

YES, WE PATIENTLY WAITED AND GOT THE THING WE ALL WAITED

[@OR56]

If I could use time stop, and it got better the more I used it, even if it was totally unnecessary, I would be stopping time as much as I possibly could, I'd be stopping time while walking to the store, reading, going to the bathroom, everything, making it as long as it possibly can get.

[@hellacia8151]

I think this just goes to show how smart pucci is fighting Jotaro. He knows exactly how to play him to win, compared to Kira and DIO being massive dumbasses.

[@Voidinfinitum0]

Pucci already killed several stand user so it's to be expected his Good especially with him achieving his Goal: made in heaven

[@thegreatgamingkid8252]

Kira and DIO didn’t seem to have a lack of intelligence. It was more-so an arrogance thing, especially for DIO’s case. As for Kira, he simply got out-witted and assumed victor prematurely, leaving an opening for the others to regain the chance they lost before.

[@InfernoCleric384]

@@thegreatgamingkid8252 DIO wasn't even arrogant, really. He wanted all ranged the moment he realized Jotaro could be a threat close-range. The moment he realized even Joseph's blood wasn't enough, he used the road roller. Pucci just knew the Joestars that well.

[@waffler-yz3gw]

kira hadn't even met another stand user until recently, and dio lost because jotaro pulled some insane unpredictable stuff. calling them "massive dumbasses" is something a massive dumbass would do, especially considering pucci is stronger than both of them anyway

[@LegendGamer-dj8om]

well Kira didn't know Jotaro so that doesn't make him dumb. Dio on the other hangd maybe

[@annaritaprete6091]

One thing I never get is: WHY, and I mean, WHY do people latch on the Part 3 timestop so much to say that Jotaro got weaker. Like, I get it, 5 seconds to 0,5 is A LOT worse, but we've ever SEEN him use that timestop ONCE, right at the end of the part. For the rest of the part, what was he doing? Oh yeah, fighting WITHOUT A TIMESTOP. When people even say "But why didn't he use it in that 10 years between parts 3 and 4" need I remind you that for ALL fights besides the END of the LAST one, he didn't??

[@atrckr-bf7de]

He didn't know he had the ability till the end of part 3, so the assumption Is it's now part of his kit and will be used more often since didn't know he had it like with any new main ability ever. not much of a need for it so he got comfortable and got rusty in time . I always figured he would reach dios level at least he don't know the specific tim;e but he knows dios stand was significantly better but vampire boost maybe was needed to break that 5 second a barrier but its just weird because Dio in one day doubled his time basically, and 10 years of practice can't even match but he got comfortable so it is what is. have a nice day.

[@Numbers-gStands]

@@atrckr-bf7de It’s implied in part 6 that time stop takes some amount of stamina to use consistently, as Jotaro mentions he needs to breathe before stopping time again on top of being used to use the ability (peak humans seem to stop at 5 sec). While a vampire like DIO should have no such limit and as such should be able to train the ability indefinitely. DIO’s body is working against him as well as him doubling his time stop came from gaining more Joestar blood allowing him to better control his body.

[@atrckr-bf7de]

@@Numbers-gStands hamon should help but pretty interesting how time stop is connected to physical capabilities as most stands aren't not like this any way.

[@atrckr-bf7de]

@@Numbers-gStands also have heard the theory that Dio and Jotaros stands are not the same but brothers/variants meaning their abilities are similar with Jotaros having worse time stop but better stats, the story says same but eh, any way have nice day.

[@Grape_Rush_Goat]

Well there’s certainly debate to this. There are two camps people fall into regarding part 3 Jotaro time stop (I think)- A, it was unlocked/(fully) realized during the dio fight OR at that very moment it was used, or B- Jotaro had it from star platinums conception and was using timestop ever since Jotaro found how Star platinum could and how to use/harness it. Possibly even ever since the jail cell. Or maybe it was subconscious and the stand was doing it without Jotaro realizing, idk. Jotaro *could* have used timestop during the older d’arby arc, possibly…

[@sozdatelj]

Wasn't the "shortened timestop" one of the most obvious parts of Made in Heaven arc? I mean, Made in Heaven's whole idea is to change speed of time flow by affecting the gravity. It's like in Interstellar, for people on Earth(with "x2" gravity) 2 minutes equals to 1 minute for people in a space rocket(with "x" gravity). So, as timestop was tested by Jotaro and Dio on Earth, with "x2" gravity, this would be much different as gravity decreases more and more. For me - makes absolute sense + respect to Araki for such specific details.

[@Pokemaster-wg9gx]

If we're being technical and really specific here, if something is stopped and not moving at all like you would expect from a time stop that would mean its speed is 0 Multiplying by 0 is still 0 my guy although on a conceptual level it still kinda works i guess especially because Pucci was literally planning to hard counter Jotaro lel

[@sozdatelj]

@@Pokemaster-wg9gx if we're being REALLY scientific here, the only one who claimed that "something is stopped and not moving at all" is Dio, who practised his new stand for how much time? For a month/a couple of months? Has he tried it in outer space without gravity to measure his timestop there? """My guy""", time is not a physical object, it doesn't have speed, but what we know for sure is that gravity can make time "slow down" or "speed up".

[@WhiteCommet666]

He counted total of 5 seconds in his every time stop it was only the first time stop that he did after mih which was shortened but if it actually was shortened how did he count all 5 seconds of his time stop instead of 3-4.

[@sozdatelj]

@@WhiteCommet666 less and less gravity -> time is accelerating -> first it goes 5 seconds, after less and les every time.

[@WhiteCommet666]

@@sozdatelj if his timestop duration decreased during the time acceleration then how was his final timestop of whole 5 seconds?

[@SentientOrang]

This is gonna be long asf. I think Jotaro was not really weaker, and he was not nerfed either. Let's admit it, Araki sort of backed himself into a corner with Jotaro's writing and had to UNDERUTILIZE his ability in order to make the other characters shine in Part 4, and ESPECIALLY Part 6. Jotaro pretty much peaked in Part 3 cause obviously that was his part, he was the powerhouse of the group and bludgeoned his way throughout Part 3 until DIO. Notice how in Part 3, Star Platinum was wayy more aggressive and wild, he was a loose cannon. He put holes in DIO, after caving his skull open. In Part 4, you can say that Jotaro matured hence Star Platinum felt "weaker", but in reality he was less aggressive and more neutral which I find complimented Jotaro's maturity and mentor figure in DiU. Let's not forget, Jotaro was the reason that Kira admittedly developed Bites The Dust, all it took to incapacitate Kira was a single punch from Star Platinum (a dying Jotaro on top of that) the beatdown was just the icing on the cake and Kira was never the same after that encounter. In the manga, when Koichi and Josuke was up against Red Hot Chili Pepper, Koichi stated that RHCP was technically moving at the speed of light and that only Jotaro would be able to keep up with it, especially with Time Stop. Then you got the RAT episode, I believe this is one of the best examples of Jotaro being underutilized. How? Well, Jotaro could have used his stand to Leap towards the rat, or just use Star Platinum's Precision to to hit the Rat behind the rocks.. But WAIT! They couldn't even see the rat!! Well that's the thing, he could have used Star Platinum's eyesight, he literally used it to see 2 miles across the desert in part 3. And before he brought Joseph along in Part 4, he was also shown using this ability to look across the ocean. But he didn't. So it's safe to say he was guiding Josuke to handle pressure, and besides it's the smartest thing to do. Distract the rat because josuke can just heal you anyway.. Part 6? That's a whole story. Remember Star Platinum's self-preservation? Dude literally protected Jotaro across Part 3, and even Part 4 when Angelo's stand tried to sneak up on Jotaro. So why couldn't Star Platinum just deck Whitesnake when he was coming up behind Jotaro? EASY, so that the entirity of Stone Ocean can happen. It's been shown that Star Platinum is still active whether Jotaro is conscious or not. Remember when one of the Speedwagon Employee tried to touch Jotaro's hat while he was in a Coma? Star Platinum activated and punched a glass to carve Jolyne's name in his forearm. It's not just Physical Strength, Speed, and Precision that makes a basic ass stand like Star Platinum pretty great, it's his passive and complementing abilities that make him even more dangerous. Honestly, Jotaro could have ended Stone Ocean during C-Moon arc. He stopped time, saved Jolyne out of bullet's way, and then Decked Pucci flying towards the glass panel, while Jotaro usually holds back towards his opponents, THIS was not a great moment and reason to do that. Pucci meant harm and already gave Jotaro a lot of reasons to Kill him. Yet he didn't! There is a lot of scenarios where someone could have done something else according to their experience and abilities and it would change the entire course of the story. Unfortunately, Araki suffered from inconsistency throughout the entire seasons and primarily backed himself into a corner when writing some of his characters because of this fact.

[@Pokemaster-wg9gx]

We also see in Eyes of Heaven that GER is fucking immune to Made In Heaven oof lel

[@SentientOrang]

@@Pokemaster-wg9gx Know what's also dumb but funny? Johnny and Giorno who are both OP af, and could solo a lot of characters, got their abilities nullified by The World Over Heaven, and then there's Jotaro who aimed for Dio instead and slipped a punch that busted his skull again. 😂. They didn't even notice or question it

[@bloxer9563]

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[@callmelou5397]

Fully agree honestly Jotaro got the Gojo treatment from jjk it felt like Araki just wanted to get rid of Jotaro to get himself out of the corner he wrote himself into

[@coltonadame6282]

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[@rock-hv6ns]

We are just fan of the creator when he posted, so we just comment saying that

[@cultofmel]

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[@LemoneMan]

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[@KiwiHavok777]

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[@coltonadame6282]

@@cultofmel my comment was made 7 minutes after the video came out. Anybody can have a comment or opinion about stuff, but I was wondering why there were already critiques being made before the full argument had been stated. I’m not trying to silence anybody

[@GrantJmima]

I've been advocating for this side for the longest time now, I'm very happy that I can take somewhat of a break.

[@Red_Adanac]

It’s just the fact that stands got more complex and stronger counteractive abilities during the evolution of JJBA and people were knowing about Jotaro like this solo-hero legend thing. He never got weaker but sure did stagnant or bumped down Star Platinum’s potential (like not using timestop for 10 years) and Pucci got years to prepare his ambush against him.

[@zyxzzzz_]

Another banger vid from METAs

[@STPstudio47]

Neat video, well explained! My only problem with Jotaro in part 6 that you didn't mention is that when Pucci's in the shuttle, Jotaro doesn't try to get in there, jump like he did in part 3 using his stand to "fly" higher than a regular jump. That's pretty weird and inconsistent

[@rgfang3359]

I always took the Sheer Heart Attack case as its own innate stand hax of "this automatic stand cannot be destroyed by physical means beyond its own detonation, only impeded", hence why Jotaro could only damage it and not fully break it apart. Even so, the fact that he withstood a hit from it and kept on chugging for a bit just shows how tough he still was

[@CheeseTaterson]

My ears perked up immediately upon hearing the GGXX Korean version OST, it's severely underrated. Good music taste.

[@Giggles_iJest]

So many goated choices for music in this video

[@LCTesla]

Jotoro: 's art style changes along with everyone else's Everybody: NEEERFED

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Glad you made this video, Jotaro deserves more respect and so does his strength

[@EvilParagon4]

I like the low tier fan theory that Jotaro's actual stand power is simply copying other stand powers, but since he never thought to use it in that way and only made the assumption with Dio, he doesn't realise he has that power in full. Obviously, not canon and all that, but it would be the easiest way to maintain that Jotaro is and will always be the strongest stand user. Of course, I'd love to see Araki actually write a power copy character at some point. It's always just so fun seeing characters like that in other media, but knowing Araki, he'd probably feel like a power copying character is too uninspired, but I'd still like to see his take on it. Also this video makes me fantasise about an alternate sequel part to Part 6 where Jotaro killed Pucci instead of trying to save Jolyne. Maybe Jotaro goes on a search through a ruined world to find someone with the ability to resurrect his daughter, but because fate is such a powerful force in JoJo, his mission is a resounding failure as resurrection just isn't a thing in JoJo. Could even make Jotaro the antagonist, using the stand arrows to make more stand users quickly. Have Shizuka be the protag or something. Maybe Joseph taught her some Hamon so she can end the universe with a power system the universe started with, but with stands still the focus of course. It might be good for a motif of "healing" too. Shizuka will beat Jotaro not with a fight but with love. And maybe we can have the universe feel "corrupted" too, afterall, with Fate being so powerful a force, Fate is _not_ happy that Jotaro picked Pucci over Jolyne as was fated to happen and got ignored. We could use universe glitches from broken fate to explain things like Jotaro losing his good boy nature (maybe even remove the birthmark), and just making things truly bizarre in this broken world, a final bizarre adventure to end the universe on. And of course, it could even parallel the audience. Wanting to bring back the dead, wanting the original universe to continue when it's finished and reached its end, it's the same thing.

[@gingr001]

SO HYPE FOR THIS

[@sankianorolle3823]

Same

[@seniorritter5505]

I didnt know you before but you got my follow after the intro (damn its good) ☝🏻😌

[@dpo8922]

Brother can't stop dropping banger after banger

[@purplehaze2358]

This channel has expressed the sentiment that Anubis could, at least in theory, surpass Jotaro and Dio; so I wonder how he'd scale compared to Justice under that hypothetical.

[@JhoJhoScalesandVs]

You could argue that since Anubis was introduced a fair bit after Justice, from a out of universe, meta perspective, this justice statement shouldn’t apply to the later introduced stand.

[@GrantJmima]

I think Justice only scales past Anubis because there are a lot of conditions to Anubis' ability. Anubis as a stand only gets faster as the fight goes on, not the user. Justice works by taking advantage of any wounds on the body. I definitely believe that it would be made easier when Justice has literal armies at its disposal and has such little margin for error. It's as easy as a pinprick to completely nullify the user.

[@matteo-ciaramitaro]

​@@JhoJhoScalesandVsI mean, they're both part 3, and not that far apart. Sure, 13 episodes, but I wouldn't say that's a long time given how many episodes we've had since part 3

[@JhoJhoScalesandVs]

@@matteo-ciaramitaro you gotta remember that that statement was in reference to the manga, and that JoJo’s during SDC’s release was a *weekly* series, while in the anime it might just be 13 episodes apart, for the manga releases, those arcs would be months, possibly *years* apart at most.

[@matteo-ciaramitaro]

@@JhoJhoScalesandVs "read more" button not working so I can only see half your comment, but you mean you were talking about our universe time then right? I thought you meant in universe my b

[@cedrickarter5680]

wait a second, if the only thing that got weakened in part 4 was his time stop...then Crazy Diamond truly is on par or at least very close in strength to Star Platinum? given Jotaro had to use time stop to dodge his attack and had his defense broken by it

[@AUG_Glow]

Jotaro was obviously not treating Josuke like an enemy stand user Josuke was just kind of a punk lol, Jotaro isn’t gonna sweat to win against him

[@Just_B0red]

I mean I don't see why they couldn't be equal in stats, "Only" difference would be their skills.

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@StardustCrusader18]

Thank you for making this video.

[@BenDonnie-cp2no]

Another question: if you die where does the stand go? Because when you go to heaven in jojo’s your soul ascends to heaven, but your stand is literally tied to your own soul so does the stand just go to heaven with you?

[@METAsMETAs]

Honestly, good question. I would guess they go with you.

[@BenDonnie-cp2no]

That’s what I thought, because of what happened to FF

[@AstralTaurus]

It depends on the stand. Cheap Trick and Notorius BIG both stayed around long after their original users died. Similar to how ghosts operate in the series, sometimes a stand can stick around after the user dies; sort of a fragment of their will.

[@AndroidNoir-L06k]

stand is your soul energy, they just molt back into you again because they are literally part of your soul.

[@Jotaro_joestar615]

Jotaro was in a coma and had not had any time to recover that why he had low durability and he muscle were weakened that why he lost ​@@METAsMETAs

[@Muhammed_yujan]

Jotaro have reversed plot armor

[@JoJoZeppeli]

Incredible video. Keep up

[@eliemichaeldzudie]

I’m addicted to meta’s intro. It just sounds so good

[@Baken384]

Araki can say Jotaro's Prime is at 18 years old, nerfing a stand stat, have Jotaro be in a coma for four months that has a full chapter explaining his muscles are degrading, his health condition being unknown during the MiH fight, and show that aging can affect a stand then you'll still have dudes pull the biggest mental gymnastics you have ever seen to say he is "stronger"

[@SP_TOOP]

In his fight against Dio, he survived hits that would level a building, but in his fight against Pucci, he got instantly obliterated. Little suspicious if you ask me…

[@Xinocho-Mito]

He was cut, deep DIO just punched him like some balls or what

[@EvilClamChowder34]

Awesome intro, great video!

[@GhostKnightEditz]

Loved the music choice, Apollo Justice's cross examination and Aria Of The Soul are great music choices

[@unnoticed9988]

He got power crept 😔 Fuck someone said it already

[@Christian-fn4cw]

Yet hes still in the top 10 most powerful characters in the series.

[@BlaixenU_]

i like to think jotaro between parts 3 and 4 was too traumatized from the Dio fight to use time stop

[@cultofmel]

I'd hate to use time stop too if a sadistic maniac vampire was similar enough to me to get the same stand. Not even CONSIDERING he killed half the crusaders.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@cultofmelfighting spirit is "same " Not nature, fighting spirit r3fers to their innate way of tackling mental snd physical challenges and how it affects their decision making,

[@Pokemaster-wg9gx]

​​@@ohhellwhereami2574 we're also forgetting that Dio is functionally Jotaro's great great grandpa because he's in Johnathan's body and we've seen how bloodline and spiritual connections can give similar stands or ways of expression

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@Pokemaster-wg9gx that's not even case once

[@matteo-ciaramitaro]

​​in part 5 I recall it being implied that if they knew Trish's power, it would give them a hint about the boss, but then they find her and not only does she know shit about her dad, her stand power isn't similar at all. Way more evidence that stand powers are not genetic than that it is. Okuyasu and his brother (and his dad?) have completely unrelated powers All of the Jojos, except Jotaro and Dio possessing jonathan (And that might have been his stand in his normal body) have completely different stands. The closest thing to a similarity is Jolene and Joseph, but that's a huge stretch. So ya, you right, they have repeatedly shown the opposite

[@xDJ7220]

Bro still dishing out quality jojo content after all these years 🙏

[@kingdaddy5502]

Ty for making this video a few friends of mine thinks he was completely nerfed been saying for a long time he wasn’t just his ts was played with a lil

[@MagentaRodent]

Ok, so... I have an idea as to why Jotaro stopped using time stop between part 3 and 4. We know Jotaro as functionally the same stand as Dio and has some dark backstory history stuff before part 3. What if, Jotaro realized he is disturbingly similar to Dio in some way. Jotaro as a person isn't Dio and would never want to be like Dio, so maybe having things in common with him, made him more hesitant to use the time stop part of his stand. What things might they have in common? Well... Both Dio and Jotaro have mistreated dogs, have a weird relationship with women, and both have kids they don't talk too. Maybe I'm reaching or connecting dots that aren't there but to me Dio and Jotaro are... the same person on opposite sides of the spectrum.

[@Belllcross]

It is unfortunate that Dio over Heaven didn't come into the stone ocean, then Jotaro's real real power could activate, copying Dio.

[@Dragon_Turtles]

Your intro alone got a sub from me, great shit

[@sphearacle9507]

i love you please don't get pregnant

[@aboody8618]

???

[@laloreyes8067]

You swearing in the video is great. Keep adding more, METAs. Love the videos 🫨👍

[@MrMrGman]

the persona music in the background always jumpscares me

[@AILVALIAUNIVERS]

That's video was cool and very intresting !

[@TadyHonza]

I think JoJo's fanbase needed this video. Like, seriously this guy has points what actually make sense about Jotaro's strength trought parts in JJBA. Good job💪🏻

[@3AST.]

one of the best youtube channel intros...

[@BrassxKharii]

I want a series about some of the work jotaro did for the speedwagon foundation

[@cyruspink6217]

This video is how I've thought of it the entire time. Jotaros a beast

[@redfox03]

Holy fuck you put persona music in the video, I love you

[@RoAias25]

gotta appreciate the SMT Persona OST in the background

[@sparkplusultra9289]

If I had to say I believed that made in heaven was accelerating the speed to the point that the time stopped will shorten every time that Pucci is still alive and keeps on accelerating making the time shorter and shorter each time that jotaro has used it

[@Halloum_]

Clean intro brother

[@Jotari]

Oh wow. Persona 5 music started playing right when I entered the area with that music in Persona 5. Just had to share that coincidence.

[@PythonKnight]

This is a bit of an odd request of a video, but I wanted to ask it. What if you did a video on if the JoJos were all in 1 part what's their role within the group. That or what would be the strongest team if you combined all from parts 1-6.

[@AtmanRyu]

I always had this headcanon that Jotaro's stand was fueled by anger. Case in point, in part 3, being an always angry teen basically meant that Star Platinum was essentially overclocked in the entire run, doubly so when Dio REALLY angered him. In parts 4 and 6 on the other hand, he was a more collected and calm adult, relying more in wits than raw strength, so Star Platinum didn't seem as powerful as in 3, except in the instances in which he was, again, angry AF. What I'm saying is that Star Platinum wasn't nerfed in any way, but instead we saw him running at his base power in 4 and 6; it's just that in part 3 he was running at maximum overdrive due to constant anger.

[@isuckatnames6033]

I interpret "shortened timestop" as jotaro feeling MiH's speedup also causing the stopped time to pass faster

[@The--WayPoint]

we need like a one shot of what jotaro when looking for the arrows

[@latergator9622]

My head canon for why Jotaro didn't stop time for 10 years was because he saw how it made Dio feel invincible and relied too heavily on the fact he could stop time which eventually led to his downfall. Jotaro made it all the way to Dio without needing time stop and therefore decided it would be better to continue to hone his decision making and physical prowess as his main tools for fighting and keep time stop in his back pocket as a hidden emergency button. But it's probably simpler to just assume he never needed it after defeating Dio.

[@DUshyanthRavinduHettiarachchi]

7:22 Yoshikage Kira's Killer Queen's Heart Attack is impossible to break/kill, Jotaro just hadn't realized that until he faked death, but he would've fully imobilized it as Koichi's Act 3's 3 Freeze did so, which prompted Yoshikage to go there and personally deal with them, doing so getting pummeled by Jotaro and withdrawing his stand

[@Zir28]

I think the reason why jotaro didn't bother to use he's time stop was because he's already a unit, basically the time stop ability is just a cherry on top

[@stevenedwards8353]

Jotaro literally got STRONGER until his death in part 6, as evidenced by being able to stop time for more seconds each later part he made an appearance. It's just that Araki got better and better at making powerful Stands by the time Stone Ocean came out, that made him feel "weaker" in comparison if you're not looking at it right

[@crudnom7090]

Seperate from yeah, Made In Heaven being a more powerful, wasn't it obvious Jotaro just got outsmarted? He could either beat Pucci, or save Jolyne, he couldn't do both, and in the end his indecision lead him to fail both. I've never viewed part 6's fight as a matter of power creep, and in general JoJo had never been about who's stronger but about outsmarting your opponent and their abilities to land a decisive blow. Conversations like this are fun but it doesn't feel like it fits within the vibe of Jojo

[@GrantJmima]

On top of all this, it comes down to focus. In order to fight to the absolute fullest, you need to be focusing on the fight. As Jotaro matures, it becomes less about finishing the fight and more about protecting the weak. This is also why Jotaro misses many fatal blows in Part 6. During his reintroduction during the c-moon arch, he becomes so focused on getting Jolyne out of line of fire, that he takes focus out of his punch.

[@Patolagos]

An spinoff showcasing Jotaro's solo adventures during the 10 year time skip would be amazing

[@dialga236]

never understood the "jotaro was nerfed" argument, esp in part 4. like two out of his like 3 fights were against a rat with a ranged stand and a literally indestructible bomb. like for as strong as star platinum is, the lets go hunting arc was like trying to box against a trained sniper whos 50m away

[@hbison5360]

DS background music? Fire

[@owlmanyt9306]

4:15 "He's sucking it all in" is a CRAZY sentence

[@devinuzumaki9032]

One cool detail I just noticed at 3:21 was when dio tried to break Jotaros arms instead of going for the head. Jotaros is so unpredictable that he’d rather stop him from being able to attack FIRST rather than going in for the kill.

[@DUshyanthRavinduHettiarachchi]

10:23 He never found an opponent worthy enough to witness his time stopping ability until then

[@Zeal115]

that's why koichi is so reliable: he could make sheer heart attack unable to move

[@lordraiden7397]

Thank YOU. Why do people act as if stands get weaker with age when people like Polnareff who was STATED to be faster and stronger by diavolo while being crippled. There would be no reason for him to be any weaker.

[@anthonykluk2096]

Jotaro doesn't get weaker so much as everyone else gets stronger, the biggest weakness, if you could even call it that, of jotaro after part 3, is that he doesn't continue to further the growth of his stand, if he had he might have been able to use time stopped as well as dio, if not eventually even better. Basically Jotaro after part 3 is the embodiment of if you don't use it you lose it, since post Dio he really wouldn't have much need or use for time stop, so overtime it would start to get weaker, that said he may not have used the ability of star Platinum so time stop got worse, but that doesn't mean he didn't use star Platinum, meaning that could be why it's physical stats hadn't changed

[@Eterco]

I'd read a side story detailing Jotaro and Polnareff looking for arrows and Jotaro getting his legendary status in the stand world

[@The_Scronkle]

Unrelated but how do you feel about that Brezerk fan show coming out soon?

[@ArisTheInquring]

In part 6 Jotaros time stop is shortened in the final fight because if time is moving faster his x second time stop passes faster than x seconds long

[@angelprieto5969]

My head cannon regarding Sheer Heart Attack is that, unlike Killer Queen (which turns other things into bombs), SHA is the bomb itself. It is extremely durable not to endure opponent’s attacks, but to endure its own attack which is very powerful. In order to beat it through physical strength you’d have to hit harder than SHA explosions do. Another thing to consider is that SHA is a relatively light object/stand that is not standing its ground. Hitting SHA is comparable to swatting a fly midair. You might use use a lot of strength, but since it has such a small mass its body just gives a you end up most likely just moving or propelling it through space. Yes , at one point Star Platinum puches SHA against the floor, which could prevent it from just getting moved around, but the wooden floors gave in before it could be effective. That’s why the only moment we see SHA get damaged is when SP puts its fingers in its mouth and tries to open it like a clam. SHA is not getting swat around and SP focuses his strength in its hands until it is enough to rip it apart. This makes me believe that, had Jotaro not been Unconscious when Koichi unlocked Three Freeze in the street outside, they could have defeated it with a combination of locking it to the pavement and pummeling it with a serious stand rush.

[@LegendGamer-dj8om]

I have been saying this for years. Such a misconception!

[@Italian_Isaac_Clarke]

"So it's the same king of stand, uhm?..." >moves as fast as Made in Heaven

[@farfromregular]

I think he might've gotten slower as he got older but at the same time it seems as though he got more smarter and powerful, considering that he could stop time for longer In P6 and was relatively quick (alongside Anasui) in figuring out Pucci's stand and capabilities. I think that Pucci was too much for Jotaro to handle at that point in time, esp when Pucci as a villain understood the Joestars the best.

[@Keith_Norman]

I thought you already made this video already

[@skeepodoop5197]

Jotaro's time stop being implied to be shorter during the Made in Heaven event is extremely odd. In all other cases we see stand abilities being used during Made in Heaven they aren't sped up, meaning by all accounts Jotaro's time stop shouldn't have been shorter right? Pucci, who's implied to be aware during time stop, as we see when he had C Moon, could possibly have forced time stop to end earlier than normal by overpowering Star Platnium's time manipulation by brute forcing time to move again. This would explain why time resumed exactly when Star Platnium was about to beat Pucci to death after saving Jolyne.