Lex Fridman: Was There A Lost ICE AGE Civilization? Graham Hancock - Metatron React

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[@michelguevara151]

grahame is one of those peculiarly english names it foxed me when moving from belgium to england as a small boy in the 1970s! "no! not grey ham ee!"

[@ektran4205]

metatron consensus and conformity makes lots of money

[@sino8r499]

​@@ektran4205Used to...

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

DeDunking is a great channel on this topic! - Adûnâi

[@remypascal4872]

High Tech waste/trash lasts much longer than 12000 years as we know, but maybe they were so developed, that they were *green sustainable* high techs. But even this would show signs from its own development times. No chance...

[@BrianJ1962]

You haven't looked into Göbekli Tepe, Metatron? Seriously well worth your time if history and the origins of mankind interest you 👍

[@Powermad-bu4em]

Sites have been found near the Tigris that are anywhere from 1000 to 2000 years older than GT.

[@chrisnewbury3793]

@@Powermad-bu4em if you put faith in flawed dating techniques.

[@williamarthur4801]

I know, I couldn't believe the Met said that.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

It does surprise me that a lot of this stuff is completely new to him. Yeah none of it is specifically anywhere near his expertise but it's close enough to what he does specialize in and overlaps in enough facets that I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have heard of any of it especially as he works with other academics. This isn't to say it's shocking he doesn't know lots about the topics but hearing about some of it for the first time is kind of a shock honestly.

[@almitrahopkins1873]

@@Powermad-bu4emCatalhoyuk is the closest to contemporary to Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe. It’s also in Anatolia.

[@bonnyevaknuktan3219]

Gobekli tepe is an amzing site, I visited it in 2022. But recent discoveries show that it wasn´t filled up on purpose. The lead archelogist is Dr Lee Claire or Crane. They also found human settlement nearby.

[@jgkiefer]

The new theory is that it wasn't buried on purpose but rather by flood. Many of the stone blocks are found scattered down the side of the hill.

[@uberfalcon1965]

What makes more sense is that it was designed to be flooded and filled to be preserved.

[@SamFisher6791]

There's actually a contested date of 600,000 years for anatomically modern humans, that was determined through remains found in a cave, in the Basque region of Spain, discovered in 2017, that were found alongside Neanderthal and Denisovan remains in that same cave.

[@Patricia7561]

Oh wow, you don't know anything about Gobekli Tepe , Karan Tepe etc. all the recent (from the 90s onwards) archelogical discovery in Turkey, that change the course of history! You should most definatelly look into that, it's fascinating. Yes, please continue.

[@napoleonfeanor]

I was surprised,too

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Yeah it’s weird he didn’t know maybe he’s capping

[@fredbarnes2600]

I think that conventional wisdom ( and that could be wrong) that population density wasn't high enough to force the things we identify as civilization to start. It's a fair question to ask why nomadic hunter gatherers took so long to identify stable areas of edible plants, which would attract edible herbivores, and cause humans to settle down. If they had, them that population pressure would have advanced the trappings of civilization. The ice ages probably did knock back human "progress" by limiting the resources, that is cultural and technological advancement. Again the obvious answer is that resources because more available making civilization more possible. As he said, Hancock hypothesizes a lot. And as you said where is the evidence? Ice age glaciers could have certainly erased a major civilization, they changed the whole topology. If we're looking for a global cataclysm beyond that, we would probably have evidence of that, and it seems to me that's your starting point. But if there were an advanced ice age civilization I'd expect to find some trappings of it, unless it's in an a now remote, inhospitable area (such as with the devosinian remains) . It only through DNA study that Devosinian impact was fully understood. But...the Devosinians were eventually found and they didn't have an especially advanced civilization, as were early homosapien artifacts and Neanderthal. So if evidence turns up, I'm all for it. But as it is it's just a what if.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

One of the main critiques against Hancock that I absolutely cannot stand is people defacing him for amending and updating his frameworks when new information becomes available. That's literally how the pursuit of knowledge is supposed to work.

[@mctbaggins2084]

Does he do that though?

[@6feetunderpants]

The main criticism that I have heard is that he does the opposite - ignores evidence pointing to mundane explanations. 🤔

[@Arkantos117]

@@mctbaggins2084 Yes.

[@BraveGisgo]

Graham Hancock is a grifter at best and delusional at worst 😂😂😂😂😂

[@darylwilliams7883]

@@Arkantos117 No. he makes up new bullshit. That's not the same.

[@gabrielnunes7407]

To anyone REALLY interested in the subject, I advise you all to watch Stefan Milo's series of videos debating Hancock's ideas.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

gabrielnunes Why not actually study Hancock himself?

[@gabrielnunes7407]

@@yoeyyoey8937 What do you mean by studying Hancock?

[@bigzed7908]

Hello fellow googledebunker!

[@MJIZZEL]

Yeah let's watch someone who relies on a academia to discredit Hancock. Yes the same academia that Hancock is challenging. Really brilliant idea there.

[@Michel-7.7.7]

Yes, then watch the dedunking channel, wgere Dan is ripping Milo's arguments appart, in a real entertaining way😂

[@illmade2]

The thing about Hancock is that he is quite clear that he is not a historian. He's not a scientist. He's a journalist. In none of his books or his shows or the talks that he gives does he say I'm right, this is how it was, what he does is says there are questions that I want answers to and this is what I think possibly happen. A lot of archaeologists and people who are based in hard science really get offended by him, but all he's really doing is asking people to think that there is a possibility that we don't know everything about the past. In all honesty, I have felt the same way since before I ever heard of him. It's simply doesn't make sense that Modern Man wandered around for 290,000 years and did nothing but hunt animals and pick bereies, but 10,000 years ago, all of a sudden, society just sprang up, and in those 10,000 years we went from using stone tools to sending probes outside the solar system that's 10,000 years. But in 290,000, we did nothing to delelope a civilization.

[@xBox360BENUTZER]

Not completely unbelievable when you consider the technological advances in ancient egypt and compare it to the advances between ancient egypt and today

[@crazykev5]

Im excited for the stuff in the Amazon. I cannot wait for us to discover the age of those sights and what it tells us about humanity.

[@napoleonfeanor]

I'm very interested in areas flooded these days. Sumerians came from further South, which is now flooded, which could show more about the development.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

The Amazon is gonna be an archeological gold mine it’s just hard to access

[@Aethertopia369]

Tolkien's writings on The Fall of Númenor plays on the Atlantis mythology, and of course his work dealt with the idea of the different ages.

[@nimblehuman]

Absolutely, Mu/Lemuria/Atlantis/Kumari Kandam are all submerged lands in a similar vein to Númenór. But I refuse to watch Rings of Power because I love Tolkien's work.

[@karlgrimm3027]

The old GIJOE movie from the 80s called it. Before the Ice Age the world was ruled by snake people.

[@tacowomansandyravage]

COBRA-LA!!

[@paulschuckman6604]

Crazy thing is the People of the Snake were the only tribe to survive the genetic bottleneck of the Toba eruption 75,000 years ago.

[@DrDeke21]

I’m interested in your take on topics such as these. But my favorite of your videos are the well researched ones that give me insight into the topics you have passions for.

[@TheManWhoStoleTheShadows]

Hancock is fun to listen to as a fiction author, not as any degree of historian. Your not knowing of him offers a refreshing neutral reaction. Well, we haven't reached the wild stuff yet so that may change.

[@michaelmurray6577]

Theory build on fact is nothing like fiction.

[@MJIZZEL]

What does he say that's fiction? He talks about a wide range of historical facts and ask a question about an ice age civilization only. Can tell you've never read his work or even listened to him speak.

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

It's so funny people who've done nothing but read the interpretation of others are so quick to jump

[@ronald3836]

@@mondaysinsanity8193 Hancock has been debunked a million times over.

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

@@ronald3836 yes his conclusions not his questions. He's a journalist he jumps the gun. But the brickwork is still solid and still valid. And always ignored just to say "erm aliens nuh uh" like we don't already know that

[@Zoske1]

Archeologist Milo Rossi has made an incredibly well made video about Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse. Might be an interesting reaction source too

[@aleksanderboguta5974]

(1) Milo Rossi is not an archeologist. (2) If you watch Rossi, you should also check Dan from DeDunking, who did a very fair analysis of both sides of the argument. One with which both Rossi and Hancock mostly agree.

[@darkfafnir4389]

Milo is a clown and has no degree and has a rich mommy and that's why he acts like that 🐑🐑🐑🤡🤡🤡

[@cotati76]

@@darkfafnir4389her certainly did graduate with a degree. You would have known that if you took five seconds to do a google search. That lets me know that I can completely disregard anything I ever see you say in the future. I’m guessing you yourself are uneducated so you feel really self conscious about your utter lack of intelligence or critical thinking skills.

[@cotati76]

I definitely enjoy his KZbin channel.

[@spicesmuggler2452]

@@aleksanderboguta5974 Using your same argument, is Dan an archeologist? No? Milo is educated in the field and is most certainly more reliable than that internet troll who uses logical fallacies to ''dedunk'' actual scientists. but go on, you WANT TO BELIEVE.

[@BARBARYAN.]

Graham is talking about Hyperborea.

[@johnstuartkeller5244]

Are they discussing the Hyborian Age, between the times when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Arius?

[@andersschmich8600]

Depends of the definition of civilization. I highly suspect there were relatively dense hunter gatherer (probably mostly fishing) societies with real social straitification that existed tens of thousands of years ago.

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

If you have that then you have cities. We see from the history we have once you start it really doesn't stop

[@masonics2927]

His Joe Rogan appearances with Randall Carlson are fascinating, and worth delving into as well.

[@brianmarshall1762]

I enjoyed it. Carlson wearing an Indiana Jones hat didn’t help his argument.

[@mr.m4297]

​@brianmarshall1762 true but both Carlson and Hancock both say they're not mainstream also they're rogues in their endeavors instead

[@pvince8723]

If anything Carlson lost the scraps of any credibility Hancock had.

[@flaycreak]

Carlson and Hancock are both frauds.

[@neild4609]

@@brianmarshall1762 You're thinking of Flint Dibble, he did look ridiculous. You're technically correct that the hat didn't help his arguments, but that's because what hat someone wears has no bearing at all on whether the arguments they make are good or bad. He made a few good arguments, and some misleading ones by misrepresenting data. The debate didn't convince me either way, I remain open to the idea of possible civilization during the ice age.

[@IntoTheVoid1981]

I think that Hancock asks legit questions regarding discrepancies in earlier human history. His answers might be far fetched, but the main problem is that professional historians and archeologists somehow do not give - do not even try to search for - answers to those questions, some even do not acknowledge the very existence of those questions.

[@markzuckergecko621]

Because many of them have staked their entire career to the established series of events. They can't just admit one thing was wrong, that would mean other things are also wrong, which would call their entire career into question.

[@OutsiderLabs]

@@markzuckergecko621 Meanwhile in reality disproving established archaeology would be career-defining. Koolaid drinkers always forget that disruptors are the very scientists whose names we remember forever

[@spicesmuggler2452]

Archeologists do not search for answers to questions. They use archeological finds and analise them to understand the past. They slowly puzzle history based on evidence, not make up stories and use evidence to prove them. Hancock came with answers and then made up his whole career on those answers asking questions around them, his whole process is flawed and lacks scientific methodology to prove it. But the real truth is that the vast majority of people are idiots that dont understand anything outside of their profession so those questions he poses sound3 incredibly deep to them.

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@OutsiderLabs and they're also met with a great deal of pushback, and it often takes a long time before their theories are actually given the appropriate amount of investigation. Many of them are dead before their discoveries are proven correct.

[@bensanders5681]

@@OutsiderLabsIT WAS FLAVOR AID

[@thomasriis1987]

Great to get your view and comments on the topic!

[@fire083]

As I understand it, from what I've seen of dates with Gobekli Tepe, he is right. What bothers me is the planting of olive trees at the site.

[@verdadylibertadmagufa]

Everyone wants the Hyborian Age to be real but...

[@illmade2]

Maybe it was

[@darylwilliams7883]

@@illmade2 Prove it.

[@oddindian1]

@@darylwilliams7883 You prove it.

[@7ShadowMaiden7]

@@oddindian1lets* prove it?

[@mrpopo8298]

I personally think Graham is full of it; he's found a good grift and he's not giving it up. He has honed his craft.

[@darylwilliams7883]

He wants you to buy his books and videos, and he knows there is a steady supply of suckers. Period.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

How is it a grift? Why can’t people write books about their hypotheses ?

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@darylwilliams7883what do you think metatron is doing

[@ScarsNotFresh]

My vote is more of this please Metatron! Absence of evidence and all that... but im happy to entertain his thoughts, purely because i also find it fascinating!

[@tomlittau9190]

I've been dying to hear metatrons opinions on this

[@davidwilliams7552]

I guess there will always be huge holes in ancient human history that we can never fill, no matter what new archeological finds there are.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

That’s why we need new hypotheses

[@PeterBoddy]

aw yes, I am up for this being a series.

[@darthcalanil5333]

Hancock is a fantastic smooth speaker. He asks a lot of good questions. However, he presents the questions and facts in such a way that insinuates his own theories, relying on the ignorance of the listener (like a Rogan or the average YT viewer) to trick you into believing he speaks from authority. Somehow he's created this strawman "establishment archaeology" and used it as a justification whenever the facts don't agree with his theories.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

He’s not a smooth talker he’s just an author so he writes stories

[@darylwilliams7883]

@@yoeyyoey8937 Science fiction, to be precise.

[@kevincarlson4755]

New drinking game. Take a shot every time Hancock says Gobekli Tepe.

[@nimblehuman]

"Gewbeckley Toypoy"

[@shady473gamingcm3]

We did once for every "jaime" and mannnnn that was a wild one

[@jasongaylard2547]

GH should probably look at technology disruption S-curves. For a very long time it seems like nothing is going on and the all of a sudden they go exponential. I don’t think most people really mentally grasp exponential growth.

[@Bolpat]

10:00 “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” - Carl Sagan

[@darkfafnir4389]

Prove him wrong then...carl Sagan didn't attack people personally either

[@nahu___]

​@@darkfafnir4389prove him wrong? HE needs to prove it

[@tewks4458]

@@darkfafnir4389 What's there to prove wrong? Hancock himself admits there is no archeological evidence for any of his theories.

[@hervigdewilde3599]

*“Extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary funding .”* - Chuck Nice _(probably?!?)_

[@tewks4458]

@@hervigdewilde3599 Hancock is a millionaire, and has far more money at his disposal than most archeology departments.

[@khristophertanase3324]

The prevailing sentiment is that the enclosures at Gobekli Tepe were designed to be astronomical observatories which were used to predict when more pieces of the comet were going to enter our atmosphere, and cause more devastation

[@brandanwhiteman3644]

I'd love the rest of the reaction to this podcast

[@lukaszwawszczak3108]

Welcome to Graham Hancock rabithole. And its a huge one. Please do more

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

Hancock's hypothesis, in my opinion, has been definitively shown to be unfounded on multiple occasions. He has, from my point of view, discredited himself entirely. His theories have absolutely no basis in evidence. His style of pseudo history relies on what is unknown and perhaps unknowable. He injects his own fantasies into his reading of evidence FREQUENTLY. For example, in his show, Graham spent a good amount of time displaying a bit of rock underwater as a "staircase" and acted as though that was evidence for his hypothetical lost civilization. In reality, it was just an underwater rock formation. But that was enough for Graham to claim to millions of people that he found an "ancient staircase" and act as though that's evidence for his claim. He likes to present a far more approachable face in interviews like this, but Graham's theories and ideas are literally fueled by visions he had while on drugs (he's told stories of communing with a God while on psychedelics that told him there was an ancient, forgotten, civilization). I appreciate you having an open mind. But just make sure not to loosen your standards for this guy because he WILL take advantage of that to push his wacky narrative the moment you allow him to. He didn't say anything particularly fallacious in this particular clip, but that's more about optics from his POV, I would guess. Get a few pints in Graham and he'll be confidently talking psychic powers, and aliens. All things he's talked about before, mind you. And I don't mind talking about that stuff either, for fun. But nobody should be taking his ideas seriously. They simply aren't serious or well founded.

[@nathandouglas624]

shure, but missing Smithsonian shit disappearance of ancient rellics, even proto hebrew type language. Found from Michigan, Florida, Ohio, allover. Truth, we don't know. Governments have addenda,

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

​@@nathandouglas624 are you okay? Because what you just said was almost entirely incoherent and full of spelling errors 😅

[@nathandouglas624]

@Paradox-dy3ve i apologize. Damm, massage chair . I'll re check that ✔️

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

It's crazy people jump so quick to try to completely shut up any talk. Yes his conclusions always jump wayyyy to far. But his questions are still legitimate and alot of the stuff he brings up is real. He just jumps way past the bounds of evidence

[@inagaddadavidahoney]

7:54 Maybe that could be a primary reason. The population sizes may not have necessitated warfare between family groups/tribes. Then, through various natural disasters (I'm thinking climatic and disease primarily) the population stayed small. This would also negate a lot of "generational learning" as well.

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

How much generational learning do you really need to figure out basic agriculture though

[@emlynperson3976]

realy glad you covered this and enjoyed your take on what was being said

[@IosuamacaMhadaidh]

People actually were starting to live together in a sedimentary lifestyle while still hunter-gatherers, but before planting they were just harvesting. Still gathering but on a larger scale.

[@eskilblom2420]

are you not entertained? loved it!!! please do more of this. and please continue on this episode of the podcast so we can all learn more and together with you!!!

[@williamarthur4801]

Got FPOTG's when published for my father shortly before he died, he loved it, didn't think it was all true, but it certainly gives solves a lot of mysteries that no one has a better answer for.

[@danish6171]

Loved this. Please countinue . Thanks!

[@poponachtschnecke]

I appreciate these theories. I hope they lead to greater exploration and greater understanding of human history, whether people are trying to debunk or prove them, learning more is better.

[@Vhalior666]

I think you'd find the subject Hancock is discussing to be well worthwhile, Raph. I've spent the better part of my 40 years of life down the very same rabbit hole. Just be careful you don't get stuck down there as it's a long way back.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

it's a rabiit asshole. Full of shit. Everything stinks in Hancock's nonsense.

[@MrRabiddogg]

I tend to agree with him that there was SOMETHING of a civilization that was destroyed. What it was, is up for debate, but it was there. Almost all of the early civilizations say there were "teachers" (or similar) that come to teach them fire, farming, husbandry, astrology etc. And these same civilizations always refer to those that came before them as well as some sort of disaster. It seems to uniform to be coincidence.

[@devinland7732]

I've been waiting so long for you to talk about this

[@scythelord]

Definitely cover more of this. I have already watched this episode and would really like you to cover it all

[@DeplorablesGarbage]

Keep doing the rest of the show.

[@shogomakishima7224]

The problem I have with the argument presented is that it assumes that if two organisms can interbreed with one another then they are basically the same thing with any biological differences between them being purely cosmetic. That is obviously not true and it is obviously not true that the humans from 310 thousand years ago were the same as us. Even today not all humans are the same and our ancestors from the distant past weren't the same as we are today either. This line of argumentation relies on the modern cultural bias and as such has no merit.

[@ihaveadigbick.3785]

Miniminuteman did a long video series where he basically obliterates his arguments about that there was a long lost advanced ice age civilization.

[@carno.5911]

No he din't its full of wrong understandings of papers & there like, theorys that dosen't sound pratical at all to actuall craftsman + some very questionable arguments like "How do you direct anything to face a star" . I recommend "Dekunking" a channel thats basicaly abut debunking the debunkers, which has a series that basically oblizerates his (&o ther debunkers) arguments.

[@gabrielnunes7407]

Stefan Milo also did it. And in my opinions, he has the best archaeology channel on KZbin.

[@Arkantos117]

Well he smugly attempts to 'debunk' surface level arguments in a way that appeals to people who already agree with him and won't do their own research.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

He is good at making it look obliterated but minuteman is very shallow and uses rhetoric instead of understanding the arguments and ideas and critically analyzing them

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@gabrielnunes7407i like Stefan Milo but he doesn’t know what he’s talking about here, he doesn’t seem to understand what Hancock is talking about at all

[@frankn4618]

10,000 years to go from hunter-gatherer to Farmer..... 66 years from first powered flight to landing on the moon.....

[@arak5502]

GT was not buried on purpose, the archeologist who digs at the site, has already stated that it was natural.

[@dragonxx444]

Are you sure? I read the opposite actually.

[@paulschuckman6604]

Ancient Architects does a great video breakdown on it. It was partially covered by a natural landslide and then people finished burying it.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

It seems like it was tho. In fact a lot of the architecture seems to only have been able to stay standing because it was buried

[@Arkantos117]

That's an oversimplification.

[@SilentiumCivis]

Archeologist also said Troy wasn't a real place; Just like every field in the modern era, archeology isn't free of corruption, bias and self interest

[@mnk9073]

Man doesn't understand the basic idea of parallel evolution. Finding "pyramids" all over the world doesn't mean the Atlanteans/Aliens/Tartarians built all of them but rather that a vaguely-pyramidal shape is the easiest way to stack rocks high, people picking up astronomy all over the world and giving similar attributes to certain stars and constilations doesn't mean the Atlanteans/Aliens/Tartarians taught them but simply that we all look at the same stars and all had the brilliant idea that we can tell the time of year on their movement, agriculture starting at roughly the same time when climate conditions got better and became ideal for agriculture doesn't mean the Atlanteans/Aliens/Tartarians showed them how to far but just that conditions were favourable enough that people could get the free time from surviving to develop the idea that strewn seeds grow into the things they used to gather and strewing those seeds close to where you live saves you the long walk to gather it where it naturally grows. Our ancestors were not dumb, they just spent literal millenia being very busy with just not perishing. Once life got easier their ways of surviving afforded them bigger groups, individual clans banded together and the bigger the community, the more ideas get discussed and the more breakthroughs are made. And this development happens exponentially.

[@riverteles897]

Awesome video, please continue this series!

[@jealius4340]

What you think of Hancock and how you voice that opinion tells me all I need to know about you. I don't care if his theories are far out there. They are not harmful, he is not a bad person for thinking what he thinks and you dont need to hate him for not believing in the mainstream consensus.

[@rolf-joachimschroder917]

As long as there are no concrete findings on the allegedly highly developed civilizations during the Ice Age or earlier, there is no need to discuss the topic.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Yes there is because you might not look for something or be able to interpret data correctly if you don’t have the right hypotheses

[@Kurainuz]

THe problem with graham hancock and most of this theorist that dont actually do theories, only hipotesis is that they mix true science with a bunch of lies just to sell books, Miniminuteman has a great video series about the lies that graham hancock said, a lot of them already proven as such, and as some times in the video he likes to make strawmans to represent archeologist. I know its a react think you should have been more critical about the guy with a bit of research by you or your team into what he says

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Minuteman’s video is awful if you actually want to understand or think about any of this stuff. It’s almost as if he’s misrepresenting grahams ideas on purpose

[@shrooms33]

If you are going to look into ancient civilizations. I would suggest looking into Operation Nanook. Its findings will shine light on why ancient civilizations have only a 6 thousand year lifespan. I would also suggest reading Ken White's book World in Peril The Origin, Mission & Scientific Findings of the 46th/72nd Reconnaissance Squadron.

[@simoklownz2267]

Any googledebunkers here?

[@bigzed7908]

Of course :)

[@ThePolistiren]

In his Netflix show he talks about highways in the Atlantic Ocean. It's ancient aliens without the aliens.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

What’s that supposed to mean? Why can’t humans build highways?

[@lytalo]

Graham Hancock must have read Robert E Howard’s Hyborian Age and decided it was real history. Howard’s mythology of the rise and fall of civilizations is evocative, first a reptilian civilization, then three cycles oh human civilization. The definition of civilization is vague at best…urban areas, writing, trade etc. In fact archeology is a very dynamic ever changing discipline, despite Hancock’s constant insistence that it is resistance to new ideas. Maybe they will find good evidence of something of an older civilization, but so far much of what people have put forward so far is easily refuted.

[@boreasreal5911]

I watched Milo Rossi debunking the entirety of Graham Hancocks Ancient Apocalypse, which tries to prove the existence of an ancient, global civilization at the end of the last ice age and miserably fails in it

[@napoleonfeanor]

I wouldn't trust either of them

[@yoeyyoey8937]

You mean Milo fails right?

[@kazwalker764]

Do more videos on this, it was just getting good when it ended.

[@DaeXeaD]

Underground cities are everywhere. There needs to be a genius of the time. Adam may have been a genius of his time. Eratosthenes, and other Greeks, Newton, Einstein. Einstein brought Quantum Mechanics to light. And now we are here, how can a black hole exist? It is necessary for our existence.

[@danijeljuko3888]

Great to see your take on this topic! Would love to see more

[@stalhandske9649]

Göbekli Tepe and Çatal Hüyük are neolithic proto cities with populations of several thousand people in modern Turkey, among oldest "kinda urban" settlements currently known. What's fascinating is that in the oldest phases (especially in GT case) the society building them was still a hunter-gatherer one that didn't even know pottery yet. Oldest traces cultivated wheat from the area are from 7000 BC, while oldest parts GT predate that by a thousand years. Similar pre-agriculture settlements of several thousand people have since been found in area ranging from Moldavia to Western Ukraine as well, called Cucuteni-Trypillia culture. That culture existed between c. 5500 to 2750 BC. While younger than these extreme Anatolian examples, they set the date of first European urban centers a lot farther back than has previously been thought.

[@gideonjones8088]

Asking why we waited so long to start agricultural civilization is like asking why we waited until the 20th century to develop nuclear power.

[@tewks4458]

It also ignores the fact the earth was experiencing an ice age until.... right around the development of agriculture. It's like Hancock just hopes people forget his supposed advanced civilization was farming in the middle of the ice age.

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@tewks4458 ice age doesn't mean the entire planet was covered with ice all year long. There were still regions that were very livable, long term, just not as many of them or as vast.

[@tewks4458]

@@markzuckergecko621 Yeah, I'll agree to that. Bottom line is though the climate was not nearly as suitable for farming during the ice age, which I think is a plausible explanation why we see farming start to develop basically the moment the ice age ends. Surely that can't just be a coincidence?

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@tewks4458 well you have to keep in mind that we don't discover every ancient society, for every ruin we discover, there's many others we either haven't discovered yet or maybe we never will. So if we agree that agricultural societies could have existed in the ice age, it would be even less likely to find them because there's likely fewer of them. Our knowledge of the ancient world only increases with the more we discover.

[@tewks4458]

@@markzuckergecko621 Yeah, I'm totally open to the idea. I just struggle to understand how an ancient continent spanning agricultural civilization that existed tens of thousands of years ago would leave literally no trace. That being said it would be tremendously exciting if we found evidence of their existence.

[@Bearded_Tattooed_Guy]

Get to work on the follow up, Mr M. At your leisure, of course. I find Hancock's theories fascinating, and your un-biased comments/thoughts are always welcome, on all subjects.

[@paradisecityX0]

Chrono Trigger claims there was

[@napoleonfeanor]

Yes and it didn't make much sense. Where did those people come from before they had that magic technology hybrid civilisation

[@paradisecityX0]

@napoleonfeanor Aliens? Or the Sons of God (which might have been around 14 thousand years ago give or take)

[@Grandwigg]

Poor Schala and Janus. Great Game. I have the Chrono Symphonic oc remix album as my bedtime music basically since like 2009ish, maybe sooner.

[@qwertyuijamesop]

@metatron you should watch Miniminuteman's video about Graham Hancock. I don't want you to fall down in this line pseudo-archeology.

[@LuxisAlukard]

I recommend Stefan Milo channel, he makes great archeology video - I think he has one on Gobekli Tepe, and one really long on debunking Hancocks ideas.

[@andreasplosky8516]

Hancock always starts out quite normal, but the longer you let him talk, the crazier it becomes.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

You have to listen long enough for it to horseshoe

[@michaelforsythe4335]

If you truly want to do a deep dive on this, please oh please check out Randall Carlson. It wasn't until Hancock met Carlson that the tumblers fell into place for him.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

I second this

[@michaelmurray6577]

Very cool idea to get into these topics Metatron!

[@justinpyle3415]

Anyone who says asking questions is BS, needs to sit quietly and know their place.

[@Steelmage99]

Everyone how hides their grift by claiming to "merely ask questions" should sit quietly and know their place.

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@Steelmage99 so answer the questions. Pretty easy to expose their grift, if it really is a grift.

[@justinpyle3415]

@Steelmage99 lol, you probably would have tried to burn Galileo at the stake for asking why some stars wander differently than others. Take your two digits to the welfare office

[@IsomerSoma]

I very much so disagree. I'll give you an extreme counter-example (lowest common demomenator): Antisemites will often asked entirely dishonest question about the holocaust. They arent actually curious, but instead want to insinuate something they already believe without outing themselves too much. The point is that a question can be rhetorical and not honest. Questions can be used to lead, insinuate and present something highly dubious without putting your name entirely on the line. Questions can be a manipulative tool of rhetoric. This is what you are missing.

[@dudemanbroguy3464]

@@justinpyle3415yeah Galileo wasn’t making up bullshit. Hancock hypothesis are total bull

[@arak5502]

Hancok forgets that technology before 12.000 years ago did not stay static, but also changed over time. Tools and practices from 100.000 years ago are not the same from 50.000 years ago. He ignores the "small" changes.

[@justinpyle3415]

@@arak5502 he ignores those pwriods because there is no meaningful evidence that can be used to deduce societal constructs that significantly impact the historical models, i would hazard

[@arak5502]

@@justinpyle3415 If their is no "useful" evidence, he has no evidence, because the evidence that is not "useful", disprove his argument.

[@justinpyle3415]

@@arak5502 nothing from that time period is proven or disproven, so idk what your point is. A lot of historians refuse to agknowledge the existance of some prehistoric sites, and if they do then they admit they have no idea where they fit in the historic models. Graham makes no definitive statements of fact other than what is already accepted by academia, he merely hypothesizes about factors which could fit the data; a process which is identical to modern physics creating hypotheses and formulating experiments to test them in order to fit observations. The only difference is that grahams hypotheses cannot be tested due to the nature of the subject, all we have left is observation and speculation. More research is required, which is exacrly what graham is asking for. Unless you think we humans know beyond any doubt everything there is to know about all of history and prehistory...

[@darkfafnir4389]

​@@arak5502 what evidence?? You mean hypothetically and in theory cause none know for sure😂😂🤡🤡🐑🐑

[@arak5502]

@darkfafnir4389 what has been found from that time disproves Hancock, because the artifacts do show a change over time. He ignored the changes, just like how he ignored the Natufians. Have nice day clown.

[@ubiergo1978]

Then we only need a "collaboration" between Milo and Raffaello. (An "american-italian" and a proper Italian). =)

[@andersschmich8600]

I Thought he was Serbian on his father's side?

[@ubiergo1978]

@@andersschmich8600 Milo?, it could be... but once he mentioned an italian as paisan and Rossi is an italian surname in essence. On the other half, Metatron is Sicilian. O.O

[@ntolman]

​@@andersschmich8600since when is Rossi a Serbian name? So because one parent isn't Italian, it doesn't count?

[@darkfafnir4389]

Milo is a weirdo that thinks he is a know it all.... Hancock has been to these places multiple times and doing this longer then he has been alive...Milo has a rich mom and that's the only reason he can do what he does...he says other don't know and it's a possibility while he acts like he knows nothing but facts

[@darkfafnir4389]

​@@ntolman yes cause people didn't steal names when they came here 😂😂🤡🤡 you shoe size IQ people are fans of milos for sure 🐑🐑🐑

[@pasifred8589]

Could you make a video analysis on The Didache? I love that document and the fact it has survived. Thanks for great content!

[@cmbaz1140]

Maybe the megafauna period was like a buffet wifh meat in abundance but when the animals went extinct humans had to adapt.

[@nietzchepreacher9477]

Btw metatron graham is pronounced "Gray-um". Americans strugfle and promounce it gram for some reason but this "archaologist" is british

[@jaredkirts543]

Why did it take so long for humans to develop from hunter gathers is because technology development occurs at an exponential rate. Today we are developing new technology annually that would decades or even possibly centuries in the past. Metatron is correct that when you have more collective knowledge, the faster you develop new technologies, but also the development of technology helps the development of future technology. If you are a small hunter gather group then you have only your own peoples history to build on until your group meets another group and the two groups and build on each other, etc.

[@TheFifthLight]

To answer your question though, yes I love this kind of content and have watched and read Graham for years, and would LOVE a historian's take on his work

[@alexkairis3927]

I've been waiting for commentary on Hancock for a while.

[@tehdrumerer3]

Big Archaeology hates him because of this 1 weird trick!

[@manuelramospetruchena4620]

hell yeah!! I'd really appreciate your perspective with graham hancock. keep going!

[@andrewblackard3369]

In past years, archeology has defined civilization with such parameters as stratified populations, domesticated crops and defensive walls. Catalhoyuk showed us that egalitarian societies worked. Caral showed us that defense is not a prerequisite for civilization. Ohalo II shows us that 23ka small city-sized settlements could exist by harvesting wild grain without requiring plant domestication. It seems that the old argument that civilization suddenly started in 3000 bce is getting weaker and weaker. So, if they were doing megalithic architecture at Karahan Tepe in 13ka does that pass some threshold that we would call "advanced?" What about the massive scale terra preta horticulture to support a population of nearly 1 million in the Amazon basin? Does that qualify as "advanced technology?" I'm not sure, but it seems a question worth considering if we need new parameters to define the horizons of civilization and technology. I'm not defending everything that Graham Hancock claims, but I think is pointing at areas that need investigation.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

One problem that runs parallel with the progression of new evidence is the fact civilization can still be shifted back and forth by people amending the definitions. Want to cut a new find off just tweak the definition slightly with a new caveat or vice versa in the other direction.

[@andrewblackard3369]

@@CoffeeFiend1 I think I understand you. What I meant to point out is the possibility that the old definitions were always deficient.

[@The_Dodge_Meister]

Hey metatron will you be mostly doing reaction content from now on?

[@hokage039]

He will be producing more of it while still having his main projects on the side he goes over it a couple weeks ago as to why.

[@spicesmuggler2452]

Probably, since its most money for lesser work

[@Blues_Light]

@@spicesmuggler2452 It's because the YT algorithm promotes the react content more. A quick look around YT proves that.

[@spicesmuggler2452]

@@Blues_Light YT algo promotes what people want to watch. Its the same as reality TV shows becoming popular 20 years ago.

[@riukrobu]

Reaction content pays for "real" content. This is how it works these days.

[@shanearmstrong9861]

Hey Metatron, as you are, self-admittedly, a bit of a pedant, I recommend watching and reacting to Milo Rossi's review of Hancock's series. I have a feeling you and Rossi would disagree on a fair amount politically, he's a bit of a younger kid still hitting his stride, but he does a phenomenal job going through the evidence Hancock presents for his hypothesis and debunking the ideas behind it or showing the holes in the logic he presents.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

That’s futile because if he doesn’t understand Hancock to begin with then he’s gonna be mislead by Milo’s misrepresentation of him

[@eXWoLL]

It's worth mentioning that the oldest proof of human activity at relatively our same level of thinking dates from about 700-800k years ago: the remains of a wooden structure found in Zambia around a year or so ago. Just let that sink in... Almost a f*cking million years ago, we had some type of human already building stuf at basically our own level of capabilities. There's certainly a quite big hole in our understanding of human history, and I'm pretty sure there were amazing (and terrible) things that happened between then and now, that we will never know about. Because people that know how to build houses, for certain knew how to build settlements, and from what we know about us, we really like to keep growing and growing....

[@almitrahopkins1873]

You’re only partway into this. Hancock will go off the deep end before long. He hasn’t gotten to the power tools and lasers yet. Everything he says can be explained by the materials used to build and the shift from animism to primitive ancestor-worship in the region. It doesn’t require an ancient high-tech civilization to explain it. Anyone capable of making stone tools could make Gobekli Tepe. The sites at Karahan Tepe and Catalhoyuk show the continuation of the evolution of that culture’s civilization.

[@Sleepless4Life]

Awwww! This was actually pretty wholesome! Finally someone that doesn't start with an agenda (for and against) when listening to ideas they are not familiar with or do not agree with initially. Thank you for this Metatron! More of these types plz! 🙏 Interesting point you brought up Metatron, about technology evolving exponentially. The first step in anything is always the hardest, but once you get the ball rolling, it's like a lightswitch comes on. For example the use of fire, the invention of the wheel, water irrigation etc etc. You can build up on that innitial knowledge and keep building bigger/smaller, better and faster things and ideas. Hopefully Metatron you don't go down the rabbit hole too much where you end up becoming super woke or overdose on redpills with the result of you ending up being blackpilled. 😅 More Hancock plz 😁

[@Johnreal332]

I love Graham I don’t understand the hate towards him.

[@MagisterMilitum-IV]

Yeah i don't hate the guy , he's well spoken, but his hypothesis is bonkers

[@spicesmuggler2452]

He takes it personally when archeologists disprove his hipotheses.

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@Johnreal332 people like to think they have the whole world figured out. It's really as simple as that.

[@trolltalwar]

​@@MagisterMilitum-IV not really bonkers at all

[@mattm8870]

Because Graham doing the ancient aliens thing just with an ancient super civilization instead. With all the same problems of diminishing the actual natives who made and built these things, notice that he calls hunter gathers simple and primitive, which no expert actually does. He also claims his ideas are ignored they are not just like any idea someone comes up with its checked against the actual evidence. The problem for Graham is his idea is actually old US congressman Ignatius Donnelly wrote a book Atlantis: The Antediluvian World back in 1882 that had the exact same idea of Hancock even down to the over 10,000 years ago date and Hancock knows this because he quotes Donnelly in his books. The thing is all the work we done and the evidence that shows this is not true is ignored by Hancock just like flat earthers ignore the evidence the earth is not flat.

[@simonphoenix3789]

I do think its entirely possible that there were humans who picked up farming and abandoned it or just by bad luck ended up failing to survive. Early grains weren't as productive as what we have now or even what they had during Egypt's Old Kingdom after all. So maybe it just wasn't as lucrative a lifestyle as hunting, especially when there were very few humans around to deplete animal populations and a lot of wilderness in which to hunt in. Why bother sitting in one spot and hoping that the plants you planted manage to produce enough to eat when you could do something you were already good at and used to- shoot down a few animals and bring them back. Farming requires a lot of work to get food months later while hunting can give you food within days.

[@spicesmuggler2452]

But farming is the basis of cities. If you move around hunting animals, you chase them depending on seasons and constructing buildings makes little sense while doing so (exept religious temples such as Gobekli Tepe)

[@Liquidsback]

Yes, that is possible. But why can we find a frozen Sabre cat, but no trace of this vast global empire? No ships, no elaborate graves? Etc.

[@cotati76]

The thing is that for the most part people don’t change. The question is what caused people to form the first civilizations to begin with? As the old saying goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it and that style of living worked really well for a very long time. People usually only change due to exterior factors. It’s just a thought.

[@Rrang4]

​@@spicesmuggler2452 Hunter gatherer economies can support cities too, thats what Gobekli tepe is a good example of (it being a lone temple was one of the initial hypotheses that are no longer valid. Its a city with a hunter gatherer economy base), and op is correct in the notion that farming is not allways the best option for susistance and that many cultures throughout the ages has switched strategies. This is all written thoroughly about in archeology. Im not in the field, i just love reading about it and would encourage everybody to do so. Not just listen to people like graham.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

Two of the best Hancock debunker channels (in English) are from two Italo-US Americans: Professor David Miano and Milo Rossi, aka Miniminuteman,

[@cargumdeu]

Are you trolling us Metatron? Surely you had an English friend when you lived there called Graham or Graeme? ('gray'um') It's a common enough name.

[@robpullar4257]

I live in Italy and have spoken fluent Italian for over 20 years, but I still have a terrible English accent and prounounce some common names badly to Italian ears... Until you actually have experience of speaking another language and living in another country where you use that language it is hard to understand how difficult it can be - I know I didn't comprehend it until i tried. I also lived in Portugal for 11 years and speak fluent Portuguese - same issues there. Metratron's English really is excellent for a second (or third after Japanese?) language.

[@cargumdeu]

​@@robpullar4257 it's a gentle ribbing bud, its called banter, there's really no need for a white knight here.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

He is trolling

[@davidwilliams7552]

Enjoyed this one a lot.

[@JohnVander70]

I just listened to a talk with the lead archeologist at “GT”, there has been NO cultivated wheat or domestic animal remains found at the site. So rather being the beginning of something it was the end of and peak of settled hunter gatherers in the near east. It also appears that the T pillars were roof supports and not astronomical markers. Also the side had slope slides that did the bulk “filling in”, so let’s not be too dramatic about changes on the site.

[@tuomaskuusinen]

Continue. You will be pleasantly surprised that he does not credit aliens or super cultures, just that there was already perhaps some advancement before what is currently considered the "beginning" of civilization. He presents very intriguing ideas and does not make claims. Actually, he seems more grounded in that sense than many of his opposers.

[@NUMBER1RATEDSALESMAN]

Ciao Metatron! Sono un po' curioso di sapere qual è la tua opinione di Alessandro barbero

[@Jorell420]

Prepare to hear logical fallacies at an extreme level. Graham bases his ideas on “doesn’t it seem” and doesn’t it look like” no intellectual integrity imo