Metronidazole/Flagyl Toxicity, Adverse Effects & Thiamine Deficiency

[@mareekratzer636]

Thank you Elliot. I'm another who crashed into acute pancreatitis followed by CFS with POTS extreme constipation etc etc after only a week on flagyl. Dr was conpletely flummoxed by this. Thiamine has been a gamechanger for me. Your work is so important.

[@championsofodin9868]

I wanted to add for anybody looking to help themselves, that I read an ER report of a guy who had metronidazole encephalopathy. They treated him with both B1 and B12 for a few months and he recovered. Maybe incorporate both vitamins and not just B1, I am going to try both as I can barely walk from this medication. Stay positive and keep trying. Eat pork and sunflower seeds and other natural forms of B1, and eggs have natural B12 I feel like you can never beat the absorption of natural vitamins in food

[@championsofodin9868]

@Taiwo Omotosho how did you do with the benfotiamine?

[@Shadsapirate]

How ya doing now?

[@championsofodin9868]

@@Shadsapirate i can walk better than before but my legs never healed all the way unfortunately. I’m probably 60-70 percent normal. Still very sensitive to flares, but I can walk and stand for longer periods of time.

[@Shadsapirate]

@@championsofodin9868 Glad to hear that you're doing better! Hopefully this just means that with time you're going to continue to heal.

[@karlhungus5554]

@@championsofodin9868 Like Shad, I also wish you continued healing. Thank you for taking the time to share your original post. Are you able to share why you were taking Metronidazole/Flagyl? Also, have you been given a particular diagnosis? I realize, of course, that a diagnosis is simply a label for a certain set of symptoms that doesn't always get to the actual root problem. Wishing you the best.

[@mohafar3429]

OMG I tested under the reference range on thiamine in August 2022 and then I had stomach issues so I took Metronidazole in October and they destroyed me.I had extreme exhaustion that I couldn’t explain, numbness/tingling in my left hand, left feet and left face but luckily only for some hours I believe this is called referral paresthesia as well as stomach issues for a week. No I’m thankfully fine but I never connected the issue to thiamine deficiency. Just ordered Thiamax and looking forward to the results.

[@sachaevewilliams3723]

Metronidazole was definitely the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I developed MCAS/histamine intolerance after taking it, alongside other horrendous symptoms. I will be trying the Thiamine protocol asap!

Update?

[@isadesusa4565]

I'm pretty sure this happened to me. Got a stomach bug abroad, was given metronidazole, and immediately started feeling like it was doing something very wrong to my body. I would avoid taking the medication as I felt so strongly that I was hurting myself by taking it. I was folded in half with stomach pain, nausea, dry mouth, insomnia, blocked ears, paranoia, raging anxiety, leading to collapsing at the hospital with a fear of sudden death, inability to talk or stand up, etc, etc. Travelled home, a similar event happened, the doctor's here thought I was having a heart attack... Years on and I've suffered from awful anxiety and PTSD from these events, developed a new autoimmune condition with arthritis, and countless stomach flare ups. It's taken about five years to clear most of my lasting symptoms, I can't imagine my mental health will ever be what it was though.

[@ENIGMA111-c2w]

Did you have to take anything to heal from the damage?

[@quazar1498]

Classes as a likely human carcinogen

[@tootienottoofruitie1726]

I have been on flagyl twice during my life time and I can witness that it caused some torific side effects

[@vins7cv139]

How long did It last? I took there times Metronidazol in 2016-2017 and other antibiotics like Amoxicillin, Augmentine and clarithromycin. I think about if Metronidazol or the other antibiotics have gave me this thiamine deficiency or if it's imposible that this lasts so long, It was in 2016-2017.

[@ATHFShakeZulah]

I was given this for a dental abscess in an emergency setting, 3 a day for 5 days. Got the infection under control but flared up again. Dentist away over holiday period. My GP gave me 10 days worth of Metronidazole to 'tide' me over. Took it for a further 5 days, the last couple of days weren't so good in that I had some difficulty articulating words and flu like fatigue. I feel slightly better 2 days later.

[@TimoTheus_jr]

Thank you legend for making my life alot less miserabele. Been struggling 5 years now and i finally think you have found what is wrong with me and this forsaken body. The dokter had given me 3 weeks of Flagyl for preventive Lyme Disease.

[@nutritalkx]

If possible make video on all micronutrients even on whole nutrition science. I am nutrition and dietetics student and it's literally hard to find this much relevant information at one place. And this is the channel which provides correct, relevant information 😁

[@chamomiletea6163]

I took Flagyl two months ago and it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I am still suffering with so many symptoms. I have slightly improved with B1 / magnesium supplementation but progress is very slow. Thank you so much for making this video and raising awareness about this very real issue!

[@gregbarton1970]

Interesting. A few years ago I got a giardia infection and took flagyl to beat it down. I haven't had anything like clinical signs of thimaine deficit, but 1) my weight loss stalled and I've been slowly gaining weight, and 2) I have periodic fatigue, not extreme, but noticably more common than before. I recently started supplementing high doses of thiamine and that's reversed both trends.

[@EONutrition]

Nice!

[@elvisedimo5694]

Hello so what amount of thiamine did you take to get into remission?

[@cindyrella24673]

I belong to that group. Floxed four times and metronidazole 7 times put me over the edge. This drug ruined my life. I pretty much have all the symptoms you talk about. This drug also causes severe anxiety and depression and muscle wasting. A couple times my legs stopped working when I over exert myself, they turned to rubber noodles. I think I got so bad that my body doesn't produce the P in ADP, I just started taking creatine which has slightly helped my muscles so far, but I need much more help. I take allithiamine, but maybe I'm not taking enough, I take 100 mg. plus many other supplements. Before these drugs, I was very strong, athletic my whole life and always happy and energetic. Now I hurt every day for over 4 years, I'm weak and injure extremely easy, zero energy, brain got messed up, gut messed up and heart, a very bad stomach and much more. I hate this drug, and fluoroquinolones!!

[@elvisedimo5694]

Take higher dose b1 500mg + all the co factors, Take good B complex, Take good multivitamin e.g Reload for women, increase plant based food especially good vegetable. Run from bad fats eg polyunsaturated once. Drink clean water plus coconut water for natural electrolytes, Reduce stress too.

[@deanlewis2215]

You say 500mg. What type? I am struggling with this after metronidazole badly. I'm a 5 foot 11 man and large build. What dose should I take daily for this and what type? Please help me someone.

[@championsofodin9868]

@@deanlewis2215 hi dean. Solgar makes a 500mg vitamin b1 thiamine. If you want to get it naturally, eat pork, sunflower seeds and macademia nuts. Google other foods that have high thiamine, I believe the natural form of the vitamin in food is always best

[@ENIGMA111-c2w]

@@TheMiriam333 have you recovered?

[@shannonholmes5130]

Being there are studies that prove that metronidazole, and other antibiotics causes CDIFF, Cipro deteriorating of tendons and who knows what all these antibiotics do to us. Shouldn't we be able to sue for damages? The doctors just prescribe these killer drugs to us , statins, metformin, blood pressure meds, and must not forget the over prescribed Prednisone.

[@FreshAgenda]

Don't forget fluoroquinolones! Now have pots and all the other $hit.

[@HTB6493]

Good to see you back

[@stesmith7040]

This antibiotic put me into 18 months of depression I thought I was never gonna getbetter Multi vits and acidophilus done the trick

[@shannon4078]

I am here researching this very thing. I took 10 days worth of the antibiotic for a IBS issue, and I've had depression ever since. then to fight the depression another dr put me on zoloft which in one pill sent me to the ER with heart issues and panic attacks ever since. I'll give the acidophilus a try.... I've tried everything else.

[@Shadsapirate]

Hit the B1 hard!!!

[@Berry_N]

As an owner of an IBD dog that I often give Flagyl to, I am going to try this for her. I have previously had dogs react terribly to this 💊

[@quazar1498]

It is classed as a carcinogen in mice and rats and considered a probably human carcinogen also

[@mountainmolerat]

Back in the mid 1990s, I took two rounds of Flagyl for giardia and I had the worst GI symptoms for years afterward - way worse than the giardia, itself. These were symptoms I'd never had before. (Doctors at the time refused to believe it might've been from the flagyl, but I knew it was.) This has set me up for a lifetime of health issues, including dysautonomia. I wonder if taking thiamine this much later could help?

[@gemmaparnell6027]

Yes!

[@mountainmolerat]

@@gemmaparnell6027 🤗

[@ich8966]

Have you tried thiamine? If so did it help?

[@vins7cv139]

Have you tried It?

[@SalehSaud-qf9wt]

Have you tried thiamine, Sir ?

[@user-km2bk8zb4m]

I was treated for H. Pylori 14 years ago with both these antibiotics...I felt horrendous during the treatment. I'm certain my gut never recovered, the overwhelming symptom was fatigue which got worse. Then 4 years ago I developed bad IBS with the dominant symptoms being nausea, fatigue and apathy.....I can't tolerate any High Fodmaps. I've been through all the usual tests.... IBS was diagnosed. I started B1 100mg along with magnesium 4 days ago, I noticed less fatigue on the second day. This feels like the beginning of a big improvement. I've watched your other videos on the topic of Thiamine, this maybe what I have needed all along.

[@lamyaael2016]

Which b1 form have you used ?

[@user-km2bk8zb4m]

@@lamyaael2016just B1 hydrochloride in tablet form, I tried Benfotamine but my gut couldn't handle it. I tried probiotics over the past 4 years with no improvement, but just recently I started using specific probiotics which are already showing promising results.

[@BitCodeKhan]

8:25 That is what happened to me after 2.5 weeks of the final flagyl tablet. I felt like hit by truck out of nowhere one morning I woke up. It has been almost 3 years, I am 80% recovered. Still suffering from mild symptoms of hypertension/some muscle weakness/vision problems/panic attack. Mostly recovered but remembering I had crystal clear eye sight before flagyl usage really angers me now.

[@MichelleKohlerArt]

Did you take thiamine like he suggests?

[@sharronsims774]

Interesting. I took Flagyl years ago for an enteritis and developed severe ataxia. Stopped the drug and the ataxia resolved. I've also developed dizziness on a high carb diet. I believe I've had thiamine insufficiency for years.

[@michaelesan2054]

Hi.. please what did you use for the enteritis.?

[@olga9539]

You may have a candia overgrowth as well as thiamine deficiency. I had exactyly the same symptoms plus muscle twitching all over. Everything got better after cutting out carbs and treating candida with a herbal protocol.

[@ChuckyBlackheart]

I was prescribed Metronidazole for a dental issue. 2 days into taking it I got severe intrusive thoughts. Was scared they were going to turn into voices in my head. Flooded with fear. Everything felt all too real but not real at the same time. Felt extremely agitated like everything was wrong all at the same time. Felt suicidal. I've never felt so alone and vulnerable.

[@rovli816]

Took Flagyl for 4 days, i feel strange that i cannot really point out whats wrong with me, the frank side effect ive experience was turning the color of my urine from straw yellow to cola color

[@missouriwilton7597]

I had been taking it for literally 2 days when both my legs from the knee down started having this burning and pinching pain along with a heaviness to my legs and shakes.

[@jaylam7106]

How do you deal with the taste?

[@ayeyomel2549]

I’m taking it now on day 5 and I feel sic and nauseous

[@claudiacastillo5898]

How are you doing now?

[@musselmanmedia5236]

@@ayeyomel2549 my doctor told me if your speech or corrdination seem to be off even a little stop it right away

[@julianaparper3297]

This is very useful information on this medication and is the best presention. Well done

[@divyansh619tripathy]

Can you please share your thoughts on sulbuthiamine ( vitamin b1 type) ???👍

[@teriward2589]

Elliot it was a good video thank you it's good to see the current video doesn't look like you've done any for a while. I've been deep diving your thiamine deficiency videos it just recently went on a carnivore diet coming out of the straight high carb diet and I got to say I feel horrible so I've been really looking into what could be causing me to feel so terrible on it I also have sibo and a lot of gut issues. Keep making videos you're brilliant guy love to hear all that you have to say thanks!

[@vaccinefraud5570]

The reason why the fad diets work only for certain people is because individualized cytosol, mitochondrial, and genetic damage allows for only certain foods to be metabolized. Stryer's biochemistry redefined the food groups to be: carbohydrates, fat, protein and alcohol. If you can't metabolize one or more of those categories then no religious denomination of inflicting someone else's chosen diet will be of any benefit. I have been trying to link SIBO to deep sea archaea that can't be seen by out immune system let alone be fought.

[@ranicefreire2611]

Have you tried fixing the leak gut?

[@teriward2589]

@@ranicefreire2611 yes I've tried a lot of different things I've had quite a few functional medicine doctors I'm getting ready to start the gaps diet though I know about it but I've never really done it I tried a CD I've done Lo-Fi map but all of them have vegetables and I don't tolerate any fiber Natasha Campbell McBride is now doing the gaps diet for people like me who don't tolerate grains and fibers and fruit so we'll see what happens I haven't given up but it does get hard. Thanks for the question.

[@TheMiriam333]

@@vaccinefraud5570 EXACTLY!!!!

[@vaccinefraud5570]

@@TheMiriam333 What I find fascinating 9 months later, is that after having given birth to the idea of archaea causing SIBO, Elliot has since released material implicating beriberi in SIBO. So, what has to be investigated is that if B1 is present in food or supplemented commercial doof, then WHAT IS EATING OUR B1 BEFORE WE CAN EVEN ABSORB IT. It is the same situation where a tapeworm will preferentially take up B12 leaving the victim with pernicious anemia. There are also other microbes that EAT B12 as soon as it arrives so that even if it is attached to any of the 16 intrinsic factors it's gone as soon as it gets there. 9 months with no answers but I do have all burners going on the stove and I'm trying to make some Jiffy Pop Pocorn in that fancy expandable pan while holding it between my toes in a campfire. When it all comes together it will ALL come together.

[@bobbymccarty0]

Could you do a video on your diet/what you eat in a day? Also thoughts on Ray Peat and Carbs in general? Carnivore seems very restrictive, some milk or honey would seem necessary to keep the metabolism up and glycogen storages repleted

[@MegaMikeylikes]

Mayo clinic for the side effects added blindness and possible coma as well wow.

[@maura1686]

On Flagyl, I had the disulfiram-like reaction twice, after drinking a single glass of beer. I thought I was poisoned and going to die. The doctors didn't advice me of anything when prescribing Flagyl.

[@elvisedimo5694]

@Taiwo Omotosho pls what's the role of the sesame seed here?

[@Herbertti3]

Flagyl acts exactly like disulfiram when it comes to alcohol. You should even avoid mouthwash and hand sanitizers.

[@ENIGMA111-c2w]

@Taiwo Omotosho hi, have yiu recovered?

[@ZoeTheCalico]

Avoid propylene glycol too. I was vaping and had to quit. I returned to cigs but they interacted terribly. I'm now in nicotine withdrawal and luckily was already aware of benfothiamin. I doubled my dose. Feeling better now.

[@jenniferpieters7984]

This is the worst medicine I’ve ever taken in my life 🤮🤮 Its making me feel nuts, and I feel sick to my stomach… NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!

[@R0SE71]

Omg my heart is sinking. I am on Flagyl. Fighting against C diff bacteria. I have never taken it before. I am waiting for an email back from you and I should probably mention this added info to our communications

[@8675-__]

Try echinacea or grapeseed extract or colloidal silver...there's alternatives

[@R0SE71]

Unfortunately in my case I just have had 2 surgeries recently and my infection is really bad. I am tho using strong probiotics in between and mastic gum pills with my meals to get things down smoother. I also have a bad bout of H pilori in my stomach. Another bacterial infection. Its bad! 😭

[@vaccinefraud5570]

Hulda Clark said to fight clostridia with betaine hydrochloride up to 1500 mg per day in three divided doses. She said that it can hide under poor dental work to re-seed the entire body.

[@cindyrella24673]

Metronidazole gave me c-diff, it ruined my life to the point i jad to stop a job I loved and went on disability. I had taken 7 times altogether. If you are having extreme anxiety, it's the drug, it messes with your brain.

[@vaccinefraud5570]

@@cindyrella24673 Excellent observation that factors in with Elliot's collected work on B1. Pseudohypoxia happens at the mitochondria by disrupting the lactate to pyruvate conversion. Consider asking Elliot if taking low/slow dose of B1 or high dose B1 might overcome these enzyme defects.

[@pirlibarra8951]

My doctor prescribed this to me after undergoing hemorrhoidectomy. I will discontinue the use of it because its effects are just indescribable on me.

[@0ce4n27]

was the type of prescription you got a pill form or a topical cream? And did your side effects go away? I was just prescribed Metronidazole cream (have not taken it yet) and just came across these things when looking up side effects

[@ericwarmath1091]

Good too see you doing stuff again

[@MuhammadAdamGhamkoley]

Thank you for the video. It started killing my memory.... Still struggling with the damage, long after stopping. But what I recall this med to have been prescribed for was to help with better sleep and to manage anxiety. I'm assuming there must be some confusion on my part.

[@kittycat6195]

Your channel is my favorite.

[@Isaac-ec4tc]

I was prescribed a metronidazole facial cream for over a year could this have a similar effect

[@drthamerbasbas1277]

Must read. I experienced numbness nausea dizness headache vomiting

[@roryohara5196]

Great information Elliot. I am wondering if the drug sulfamethoxazole would have the same effect on thiamine. I was on sulfamethoxazole for 6 weeks and it was not long after I finished that I started noticing the neuropathy symptoms.

[@reemreem-yf6hl]

Folic acid is depleted with this medicine. Also a doze of Probjotic help in most GI issues as well as GI medicines side effcets. and one doze of multivitamins.

[@fleurlucinta]

This is interesting. I had giardia when i was young and it was treated with flagyl. Fast forward 25 years and I got C-diff after antibiotics. It was treated by more antibiotics. 6 years on I have developed fibromyalgia, that goes away on a low oxalate diet. I recently got appendicitis and had to have surgery and more antibiotics. After that, my oxalate tolerance seemed much lower, and my diet had to be incredibly low to avoid fibro. I wonder if the recent antibiotics depleted more Vit B1 and lowered my oxalate tolerance. Is there a link between vitamin b1 deficiency and oxalate intolerant?

[@amadeus5403]

Antibiotics wipe out the bacteria called “Oxalobacter formigenes” and that bacteria is needed to degrade oxalate also antibiotics increase the fungal candida organism that also produces oxalate so it’s a double whammy; decreased oxalate degradation after antibiotics and candida overgrowth produces oxalates itself.

[@vins7cv139]

Elliot speaks about oxalate issues in other video. FMT could help you a lot.

[@fleurlucinta]

@@vins7cv139 thanks for the thought. Turns out my fibro wasn’t caused by oxalates at all. It was caused by insulin resistance which I have resolved with a plant based diet. After being low oxalate for 7 years I’m super happy to be eating oxalates again :)

[@vins7cv139]

@@fleurlucinta I'm Happy for you.

[@shannonholmes5130]

I also got CDIFF from antibiotics. Then low and behold 4 months after CDIFF I get diverticulitis. Before the antibiotics, I was perfectly healthy. The doctors know that they are going to kill our gut health, but they just fill us up with antibiotics. Then give you metronidazole to treat CDIFF!! I just found out some research on a bile salt called Ursodeoxycholic acid, which on N.I.H./Gov. Site has been proven to actually CURE CDIFF!! Better than fecal microbiome transplant!! Spread the word! The doctors have not been informed yet. The article said that it is approved its a minor secondary bile acid. Toxins A and B are now more hyper virulent strains.

[@Deedra_]

What can be taken for trich or BV

[@abigaila7341]

I wouldn’t say only those medications cause that. I took the antibiotic Bactrim and my health spiraled out of control from there. I wouldn’t even say it’s the antibiotic alone. I had a terrible diet, led a stressful life, took tums everyday for acid reflux bc of my terrible diet. Was on PPIs on/off for years. Would binge drink alcohol once a week. That all could have led to low levels of nutrients and Bactrim being the cherry on top or the straw that broke the camels back. The funny thing is that i have taken Bactrim before when I was younger and my bad lifestyle hadn’t quite caught up to me or maybe I wasn’t that low in b1 yet but I had no side effects from Bactrim before until now his last time around in 2019 when I had a UTI. Seriously the same symptoms as you describe and also same symptoms as some floxies describe even with the tendon damage.

[@medusa210562]

I would like to know more about supplementing with b1 as an anti inflammatory for critical illness periods. Any advice?

[@deb6230]

If possible please make a video on MS, MDA, lupus ALS and fibromyalgia chronic pain this is what my moms family suffer with is there a connection

[@8675-__]

All low in vitamin D (sunshine) and all probably eat diets high in wheat products or corn products. Its not genetics, its environmental factors, like where they live and what they eat every day. I highly recommend intermittent fasting and juicing vegetables daily. Remove all wheat and corn products from your diet and see what happens.

[@vaccinefraud5570]

All of your alphabet diseases and probably nearly every other named diseases all listed: etiology unknown. ALL of them can be traced back to the 25 organisms that make up Lyme. Alan Macdonald: Multiple Sclerosis is a parasitosis kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3m5iX2meaeWo7c Lida Mattman kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaDdo3Z8jJWgiK8 Having been exposed to Elliot's series on B1 and knowing that many organisms have specific nutrient requirements I have been investigating if any of the 25 Lyme buggers cause B1 deficiency. Another person replied to your comment below with a mention of Vitamin D. Borellia (the spirochete that is falsely labeled Lyme as the sole cause) can tweak vitamin D to make it an immune suppression chemical. The whole continuum of vitamin D receptors and the dangerous fad of GCMAF (some of which was derived from cadavers) has its roots in the gurus ignoring or covering up the fact that Borellia likes to play with vitamin D as a weapon and use our own Super Oxide Dismutase as a shield... and turn it into a prion when it's done playing. Most Lyme Literate doctors playing with antibiotics are creating permanent stealth carriers that make the kroner plandemic look like a kindergarten playground.

[@deb6230]

@@vaccinefraud5570 thank you

[@deb6230]

@@8675-__ thank you

[@deb6230]

@@8675-__ thank you 😊

[@alex-cf4dy]

I took flagyl twice and both times I couldn't last more than 4 days on the medication. Very weak, dizzy, arms and legs felt numb, difficulty swallowing, very moody/anxious. Flagyl is on the no chill list for sure.

[@martin22336]

Yup had this antibiotic had some of the worst symptoms peripheral neuropathy Pots like symptoms Dizziness I wasn’t able to hold a water bottle while I was on this drug it freaked me out to the point where I called my doctor and he said to stay on it.

[@DonielYehudah12]

Doing better now?

[@kto-totam2876]

Could you send please provide links where you took this info from? Thank you

[@shaunasadventures2958]

Anyone else got peripheral neuropathy after take flagyl that causes skin burning and pins and needle sensation even months after stopped taking the drug?

[@ENIGMA111-c2w]

I have this now , 4 days after stopping

[@heatherscroggs6415]

Yes, I have this took metronidazole for 6 days.

[@HealthyLifestyle-b8k]

Yes I have

[@kel3090]

Hi sir, I am very glad I saw this video. I had histolytica infection and took metronidazole for 13 days 4 mg a day in combination with diloxanide 5 mg a day and Amoxillinne 5 mg quit the last (amoxilline) after 10 days. It was so heavy. My body was completely exhausted. I had problems with intestine and also ataxi and a lot of other problems. 5 days after ending the medication I got also neuropathy. Burning and itching skin together with jointspain. I feel like the neuropathy gets more of eating red meat so no chicken. I was wondering what could hapened? Can this be a thiamine defency? I am now 3 moths further and all symptoms are gone except for the neuropathy and the jointspain. Thank you very much and this is a very noce video....

[@nthasilo6769]

Very helpful information

[@bridiebarry3621]

Could you please advise thiamine would be good to take for inflammatory bowel, thank you

[@martin22336]

Was about to ask that too

[@shannon4078]

I was given Flagyl to treat IBS-D (I think it's Bile Acid malabsorption-BAM though) and it caused me to have depression. I'll be looking at the B1 to help with both.....

[@VilhauerM]

I got pots from flagyl..I ended up throwing up violenty 10 days after finishing flagyl woke up w pots/mcas/eds symptoms as well as horrible neuropathy, tinnitus and gastro issues. One day I'm working out doing fine the next I can't even stand up w out my heart rate going way too fast. Im convinced I damaged my vagus nerve or something idk...Oddly my b1 levels don't show deficient but I have a host of other deficiencies. The b1 aggravates the neuropathy likey bc it is a histamine liberator. I'm 4 months out and continue to digress...wish I never took flagyl.

[@napakamu9670]

I believe you can recover, hang in there

[@edcon8893]

Listen i have all these things u mention..i had lyme n co..exposed to toxic mold and my body went haywire..u might need to look further..

[@chrismeek882]

I have all these issues as a result of flagyl and cipro, that is, MCAS and pots. There is hope for recovery, LDN has helped me. It’s not a silver bullet but it helps to rebalance the immune response. Do your best to get stress down, cold shower every morning. No phone or screens for 2 hours before bed.

[@connoredwards7199]

​@@chrismeek882how are you now

[@westirons8874]

Took flagyl multiple times past year and got some crazy symptoms... Currently feeling better on almost carnivore diet with b1. Having trouble with hydration though. Could you do a video on electrolytes and hydration on carnivore? Thanks!

[@gnosisdespirit]

Just start taking at least half a teaspoon to a whole teaspoon of Himalayan pink salt or redmond's real salt daily.

[@westirons8874]

@@gnosisdespirit i actually started upping salt a while ago and it's really helped. Not perfect (i think overhydration issues) so going to try and exercise sweat more these days to see if helps. Great suggestion Micah! Thanks!

[@franciscafazzo3460]

Any thoughts on ivermectin and plaquenil my stomach hasn't been right for over 10 days I'm releasing really nasty green diarrhea I'm weak I'm almost a little bit psychotic I just ramped up some B1 and fat soluble will be one

[@elhadi9886]

I started taking it 4 days ago for H.pylori , it was the worst antibiotic I have ever tried , after 6 years healing from anxiety I think I started collapsing....I had mostly all the symptoms mentioned in the comments section with also a strange feeling its like my blood circulation is electrified.

[@snowyskylar8821]

I'm wondering whether Functional neurological disorder cause could be this ? Your opinions please ☺️

[@tuffhuhn]

Which are the cofactors to thiamin?

[@gujh03]

magnesium

[@TracySutton-v4j]

Do you all know that most often these symptoms come to those that have gene mutations ? I have the MTHFR GENE MUTATION. That’s why everything hits me so hard . Ask your doctors !!!

[@cupcakepaper9411]

Would tinadazol be the same?

[@yes0r787]

Try Google searching them both. I have no medical education... I think they are very similar.

[@maryevans2993]

Has anyone had reactions with the topical cream??

[@petar29able]

Do you think people with long covid could benefit from thiamine like benfotiamine?

[@SmedleyButler1]

sure if anyone in the world ever isolates covid. Still nobody has and at least 7 universities virology heads are suing the cdc for not providing samples. video of the southern california university virologist detailing the 1500+ covid cases all 7 universities tried to isolate the virus from, were mostly Influenza A and a few B.

[@petar29able]

@@SmedleyButler1 is that true, they are not providing covid samples?

[@wendyg8536]

Ivermectin

[@petar29able]

@@wendyg8536 not gonna happen, cant get my hands on it

[@wendyg8536]

@@petar29able exactly... Pharmac here are putting blocks on it it unless you are institutionalised and have horrendous scabies. Criminal...as is the vaxs Imo it is the cure for so many pathogens Lyme covid etc.. and cheap ...

[@LeilaHearn]

I’m almost in tears watching this. I’ve luckily found an online community but the doctors put all of my symptoms down to anxiety (I’m a therapist with no anxiety) I find it very difficult to get the thiamine in as it induces the symptoms for me. If anyone has any tips of getting the B1 in that would be great.

[@teresadougherty8722]

flagyl an cipro, horrible, horrible joint pain.

[@edgarjaramillo8816]

Hi, currently took the same and having the same pain. Any advice ?

[@gaurabshakya485]

worse combo on earth!

[@Kee_Is_Blessed143]

I took metronidazole....now having horrible anxiety, racing heart beats, insomnia and high blood pressure spikes. I will never take this again!!! Can this all be reversed?

[@kd1love983]

Have you gotten better?

[@Kee_Is_Blessed143]

@@kd1love983 slowly I am. Had to take Vitamin D, Magnesium, B12...and changed my entire diet.

[@kd1love983]

@@Kee_Is_Blessed143 I pray you continue to get better. I experienced the same issues after taking that medicine. Never again.

[@Kee_Is_Blessed143]

@@kd1love983 thanks, you as well!!!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@BrittanyBee]

How long were you prescribed!

[@bigd9796]

I was hit with both Flagyl and Ciprofloxcin I have all symptoms listed what’s a good dose of thiamax to start trying to heal ?? And what co factors should be taken with it?? Or should I opt for IM injections?? Anyone have any information it will greatly appreciated. Thanks

[@FreshAgenda]

Start slow with TTFD thiamine... 50 -100mgs.... then build slowly up till relief starts... you need at least 400mg magnesium, a good multi, and possibly a b complex.... also floxed and doing this now

[@bigd9796]

@@FreshAgenda thanks for the reply much appreciate it how’s it working out for you with regards to your symptoms??

[@FreshAgenda]

@@bigd9796 it's wild... I had some "paradox reaction" at first to the TTFD, but I feel better after taking it for a couple of hours... I'm still ramping up... I'm at 300mg 2x per day so far... it will take time... don't give up.

[@bigd9796]

@@FreshAgenda cheers really appreciate the advice

[@Matt-fq6ly]

@@FreshAgenda are you on any of the floxed fb groups? I’d like to learn more about floxed people and B1 supplementation

[@beyondhealth-podcast9858]

have you worked with accutane patients? and b1 deficiency?

[@quazar1498]

Linked to cancer in mice and rat studies and classes as an anticipated human carcinogen

[@lcee1891]

I think metronidazole depletes more then b1, for example vitamin D. But it can push you to the edge if you have any problems before taking it.

[@andreamolinari8068]

SO WHAT? What can we do

[@deb6230]

Thank you for the info

[@taharkerbel7713]

It nearly killed me with symptômes like stroke

[@HforHelm]

I took only like 3 pills of Flagyl and I felt numbness on my whole left arm just the same day of my first pill but it really did the trick for my bowl problems and my intestine nervous movements ... it helped my colon a lot , but I stopped it for it's side effects I also felt fatigue like over my muscles I can't hold a bottle of water my hands were shaking that day but they returned normal the day after once you stop the drug you slowly revert back to your normal state oh I forgot .. it also left a chemical like taste on my mouth it seems to fight bacteria all over your body through your blood stream ... that's my thought on the drug hopefully I helped :)

[@HerSZNx]

are you feeling better??

[@HforHelm]

Once you stop it the side effects are gone , yes I felt better after using it but it's effect on the body is not permanent I'd recommend Digestin if you have problems with digesting food or having bloats , constipation etc ... sleep well and drink water.

[@jomason6605]

Thank you ~ flagyl sounds horrific This one presented a bit of a brain teaser for me with regard to the 25 yr old female with metronidazole induced pancreatitis … I say this as if I have understood correctly it was the 3rd round? that coincided with her symptoms… but they resolved on discontinuation of antibiotics… so why did she not have this with earlier rounds? Hypothetically? I feel there’s something missing potentially around the recurrent periodontal abscess - this doesn’t sound a normal or typical thing to happen either. No science in my thought 💭 here but I am thinking 🤔 potential unresolved psycho-spiritual aspect - RESISTANCE to someone or something - who or what was unpleasant to express - image - being like a bulldog chewing on a wasp - something unpalatable and nasty going on for her which resolved emotionally around same time as the discontinuation. The pancreas potentially also carrying resistance - hope that makes sense. Of course I could be far off the mark and I have problems with antibiotics too but did sense a wider story and better knowledge of the case might shed light on this. 🙌 Many thanks again Elliot really refreshing content to break the day up! ☺️ 🙏

[@TheMiriam333]

Jo, do you take clients?

[@blackmyth208]

I'm only prescribed for 7 days should I be concerned?

[@Htrac]

I assume this is when taken orally? I have been taking metronidazole topically on my feet. I haven't noticed any negative symptoms. I do have a good diet and eat liver, so I don't think I should become deficient in thiamine.

[@CVo83]

I love the black backdrop.

[@Phyllinx9670]

Can there a similar effect using Vankomicin?

[@sweetmariez]

I have never seen any study that shows vancomycin inhibits thiamine the way metronidazole does. I had severe long-term effects from 8 days of metronidazole. In 2016 I was given intravenous vancomycin for sepsis and I had no ill effects.

[@Phyllinx9670]

@sweetmariez Thank you. I was treated with Vanco for a severe Sepsis, too.

[@wizardatmath]

Fenbindezol is just the same, or not....?

[@Deedra_]

Is there an alternative ?

[@claudiacastillo5898]

Can Clonazepam cause something similar?

[@naturalbreed3745]

Can you do a video about hepatitis c ?

[@vaccinefraud5570]

If you use facebook Mel Thornberg says that most of what are called viruses are just chunks of Lyme. I've followed Hepatitis C sagas in some close friends and it seems to be a government psyop to get people into damaging treatment programs when the medical literature says that you can test positive but have no adverse effects from it for life; whereas those who go into treatment can be dead in a few years from cancer. It's like the kroner scam: testing postive (PCR fake positive) yet asymptomatic does not make for a health crisis (unless you are a doctor who wants to poison their victims). After treatment they will often say that Hepatitis C is 'undetectable' but we know from Lida Mattman that if you push an organism into stealth mode then it will not show up to the immune system or a medical test. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaDdo3Z8jJWgiK8

[@naturalbreed3745]

@@vaccinefraud5570 i do have symptoms i itch all over my body, i have high bilirubin 2.1, I can't digest fats, i have dark circle under my eyes , muscle cramp 24/7 i had flu for weeks , weak joints , losing weight ect. It all happened after i overdose on synthetic b complex it took me a month to realize that the b3 nicotinamide in high doses cause liver damage, and when i stopped taking ir for almost 2 weeks now my symptoms got a bit better, what you're recommend to do?

[@vaccinefraud5570]

​@@naturalbreed3745 Sorry to hear about your condition. I'm not a medical doctor so I can't give medical advice. From studying Lida Mattmans textbook it is clear that certain microbes have specific vitamin requirements. I just read that niacinamide is the only vitamin that the genus Proteus bacteria require. So, do we go with the mainstream opinion that you have a 'virus'? or could it be that your Kupffer cells in your liver were so full of unprocessed organisms that the niacinamide fed them, and then their endotoxins poisoned your liver? The strategy for overcoming B vitamin toxicity is of course to stop it, but what if the infection remains? Whenever confronted with a microbial overgrowth I always default to the Hulda Clark program of parasite cleanse, bowel cleanse, and then liver cleanse. It took 3 years of liver cleanses before my recirculating bile no longer poisoned me from stored environmental chemicals. Never forget that the original name for the B series of vitamins was: Yeast Growth Factors. So, could there be fungus at work as well? Healthy bile is essential for keeping all of the buggers at bay as well as digesting fats.

[@naturalbreed3745]

@@vaccinefraud5570 sorry to hear that 3 years you had to suffer. i have gut disbayosis for a year now, liver damage, oxlate toxicity, i don't know how am i alive rn. I eat clean every day, but have to do enemas to get rid of the food that i ate day before, i fixed all my problems last month and the b complex destroyed me my AST and ALT are equal. Either way thanks for the information

[@elizabethcorral4824]

Anyone gets shortness of breath? During to Flagyl

[@HerSZNx]

yes its a side effect

[@jnl321]

I have … woke me up in the middle of the night 😭

[@abigaila7341]

Cipro and Bactrim caused this for me

[@nickig5429]

Checked my B one and it’s not low. What do I do. I took it for one week and it ruined everything

[@Lalito3412]

Im having extreme anxiety attacks and constantly feel fear I just stopped taking this yesterday any tips?

[@Christina-xu1yd]

How are you feeling now. I hear it takes a little while

[@Lalito3412]

@@Christina-xu1yd i feel much better now at first I went to my doctor about it and was put on anti depression meds but I didn’t wanna take anymore meds so I let time heal but I’m much much better now

[@Christina-xu1yd]

@@Lalito3412 awesome. I'm so happy for you.

[@Lalito3412]

@@Christina-xu1yd thanks 🖤

[@renatap3593]

Do you think after 3 years is possible to develop new symptoms (neuropathy) from flagyl poison ?

[@Umar-ue7hy]

in how many day's flagyl cause b1 deficiency

[@jirihutecka9020]

Is it common to get hypoglycemia from B1 supplement?

[@None-vk4wm]

Dr. Overton, I developed several sensory symptoms after taking Flagyl for two weeks and some of the symptoms lingers even after 4 months. My B1 levels are normal. Will taking B1 supplements still help?

[@mill_mount]

I have taken this for 8 days 2x400 mg mg, Ive got cold extremties, numbness dizziness, fatigue, tachycardia, weakness, ordered 2 different b1 supplements i hope it helps,.feel like crap depression and anxiety is of the limits also

[@mill_mount]

Did you recover

[@keniasosa442]

@@mill_mounti have same symptoms, did you got better?

[@mill_mount]

@@keniasosa442 yes all symptoms have resolved besides fatigue, some weakness also

[@nicolelombardi5833]

I belong to that fb group for my daughter. It's now up to 3.2k members

[@lordernickalcontin5337]

Idk but it is scary feeling. Im here bc I was diagnosed amebiasis so my doctor prescribed me metronidazole (flagyl) 500 mg. Everytime I have to pee, the color of my urine started to get browny. My question here is, Am I the only one had experience it? pls answer guys.

[@vins7cv139]

I took there times Metronidazol in 2016-2017 and other antibiotics like Amoxicillin, Augmentine and clarithromycin. I think about if Metronidazol or the other antibiotics have gave me this thiamine deficiency or if it's imposible that this lasts so long, It was in 2016-2017.

[@elizabethcorral9048]

Amyone had kidney pain?

[@etherealgoddess7969]

I took flagyl for 3 days my stomach couldn't handle day 4 as I threw it up and discarded afterwards. It's been a week since I discarded and I can't walk without assistance, I'm super dizzy and nauseous from the moment I wake up until I go to bed. Mind you I'm 25, I went to 2 ER, a walk in and my PCP. Waiting 2 weeks for neurologist.

[@TechJunky777]

Any updates? Did it resolve? If so how long did it take?

[@gerremetolentino8559]

I had taken metro for 4 days, 500mg 3 X a day and in 4th day my BP went so high, had anxiety and had panic attack, went to ED for that and all labs are normal, I found the group in FB and started taking thiamine and magnesium glycinate for months now but I’m not sure if I’m cured with metro toxicity but because I’m also experiencing long Covid symptoms which have similar symptoms. I’m still doing benfotthiamine and mg same time some suggested long Covid meds and supplements. So I don’t know what I have now, maybe combination of metro toxicology and long Covid. I’m struggling everyday.

[@keniasosa442]

I’v been prescribed 5mg x3 a day in my 5th day had numb limps and pannick attacks as well, how are you doing

[@ZoeTheCalico]

Long covid, try lithium orotate OTC 10 to 20mg at bedtime

[@enlightenedmystery9019]

Is Mebendazole Safe?

[@nutritalkx]

Finallyyy you are here 😁😁😁

[@sabujohn4116]

One person says Thiamine is excellent to supplement. Another says it has severe side effects. Viewers decide who is right or both are wrong.

[@championsofodin9868]

Can you have a normal thiamine blood test and still have this be the problem after taking metronidazole?

[@I_cee_you]

In other videos Elliot points out that thiamine blood tests are very inaccurate and he recommends testing transketolase and a few other things. I had a mid range level according to a traditional B1 blood test but when I did a micronutrient test I had low levels in my cells.

[@championsofodin9868]

@@I_cee_you what is the name of this micronutrient test?

[@vins7cv139]

@@I_cee_you what micronutrient test did you do?

[@malcilraeure7150]

Taking it while pregnant it’s causing me to be extremely sick and weak I don’t even wana finish it. I dread taking it each day. The symptoms are dreadful

[@StefanoCap13]

Worst antibiotic I’ve taken by far. I never had any noticeable problem from other antibiotics like, amoxicillin or tetracycline, in the past. Metronidazole(Flagyl) gave me severe anxiety and feelings of panic. I also had maybe a mild-ish case of serotonin syndrome. Luckily clonazepam helped somewhat, but later that day I had major bowel “evacuations”, from hell.

[@HTB6493]

Can thiamine affect apetite in cases of deficiency high or low?

[@key2lyfe]

Yes!