Mets Bring Jesse Winker Back, Out on Pete Alonso? | 209

[@wasteofspace20]

Stearns has proven to be an exceptional hiring, he's classed up the organization, given it intellectual and analytical credibility, and has not being bullied into making bad deals that don't serve the best interests of the organization. Extremely outstanding GM who did a lot of great things in Milwaukee before.

[@MetsOldTimer]

The Mets made a higher than market rate offer to Alonso, just like they did to Nimmo and Soto. The problem is Boras convinced some people that Pete’s market rate is higher than it really was.

[@dashx1103]

Pete's offer doesn't even approach what Nimmo got. What are you talking about? Pete was offered 3 years / $68 mil. Nimmo got 8 years / $162 mil. Let that sink in. Nimmo got almost $100 million more than Pete was offered.

[@MetsOldTimer]

@ Yes, I know the amounts. Please read my post again.

[@fernandosandoval4711]

Nimo more of. Twam. Player...

[@TheKilrmy]

@@dashx1103Do you know how to do math? Look at the salary per year. What the Mets offered Alonso is more than what Nimmo gets per year. When Nimmo signed the contract he had just had a 3.2 WAR and a 5.1 WAR season. He was also 29 years old, more athletic than Alonso and plays a position that is more valuable. Alonso is coming off a 3.2 WAR and 2.6 WAR season, he’s been declining every season, and he’s an unathletic player playing a non premium position.

[@dashx1103]

@@TheKilrmy Of course I can do math. And I don't know that there is any reason to be insulting here. But that it what it is. Players seek security. When a guy gets an 8-year contract, it is generally about a bottom line amount. Baseball contracts are fully guaranteed. So saying that Pete was offered a higher AAV than Nimmo doesn't really move the needle. You know this. The "high AAV" component of a short-term contract is always just a bone thrown to a player that doesn't get the years he wants. Compare stats? Sure. Last year, Pete had a higher WAR than Nimmo. Pete had a higher BA than Nimmo. Pete had a higher OBP than Nimmo. Pete had a higher OPS than Nimmo. Pete had a higher OPS+ than Nimmo. To Nimmo's credit, he had two more RBIs than Pete. So, what does this tell us? I'm not sure honestly. Don't know where you are going with this. And Pete has not been "declining every season." That is just false. In his 4th season, he had some of his best numbers ever, including his best RBI total. He also had his highest batting average, his second highest OBP, and his second highest OPS. On top of that, Pete has been an iron man. Unlike Nimmo who has missed time in seasons past, Pete has never played fewer than 152 games in a full season. So, yeah, I can do math. And I think given all the circumstances the Pete/Boras offer of 3 / $93 mil is more than acceptable. And fans who want to cut off their noses to spite their faces don't resonate much with me. I don't care about whether people are upset over negotiations. I don't care if people want to stick it to Boras or to Pete. I want the Mets to put the best team they can on the field. The Mets wanted Pete for 3 years, they made that offer, .. I'd rather he get paid over 3 years than have Brett Baty in the lineup every day from the start of the coming season. I'm just a Mets fan, and I want the Mets to be as good as possible. Period.

[@charlesyu2694]

Stache looking clean Jerry

[@dashx1103]

Agree. I think he is auditioning for the remake of Tombstone. I'm sure he'll kill it!

[@cdLevo]

Took inspiration from Nosferatu

[@EstesLaurence-m6u]

Jack, I love the factoid you just presented about Bregman's playoff experience and how that experience can help the entire club and teach Alonzo better plate discipline and offer himself future opportunities to increase his contract worth!

[@skexy]

I think part of looking internally means is that they have a logjam of guys coming up who play around the infield in particular, and having first base open means there's a lot of incentive for people to step up. Moving Vientos over opens up third base for Baty and Mauricio to play more. If Mauricio winds up at third, it give more of an opening for Acuna to backup or take over for McNeil at second. If none of this is working out, the bat they need to trade for could just as easily come from a midseason trade as it could now.

[@retayuan123]

Not even a mets fan, I just missed hearing y'all talk ball!

[@gwong1544]

Great relief pitching is a form of defense to make your runs stand up !

[@cornehogeveen7024]

The IFA contracts were already agreed upon way before Sasaki was even avaliable. So Sasaki being avaliable made it a lot different that it normally goes (because they could have lost Pena) but doesn't mean the agreement wasn't already set with Pena. So its a pivot to how it ''normally'' would have gone

[@RockPaperScissors13]

Just heartbreaking but, I'll get over not watching Pete stare at first pitch strikes and then swinging at the next two sliders nearly 2 feet off the corner. Not gonna miss all the GIDP's with RISP either.

[@LookingForBucho]

Shut your mouth.

[@mrgregory322]

Truth

[@AntidentiteDDS]

I hear ya but pivot to Santander. I can’t believe Alonso even gets fastballs anymore. Pitchers may be wise to him this year and he could hit only 20-25 homers and hit .210.

[@janconti3311]

Glad to hear you’ll be at Mets Amazing Day. You are so much better than some of their official podcasters. Hopefully this will lead to doing more with the organization. I won’t be there (I live in Albany). Heading down to PSL in March. Sad about Alonso but that’s baseball. I’ll put my Alonso jersey next to Jake’s.

[@TheTEN24]

Idk guys I don’t believe that the Mets are fully moving on from Pete. I think it’s a final leverage play since they know how badly Pete wants to be back. Also jolly where do we get that hoodie?

[@dashx1103]

I increasingly get the feeling that this water under the bridge at this point. Pete is a supreme athlete. He has pride. I just don't see him coming back to the Mets unless Stearns sweetens the pot. Sadly.

[@TheKilrmy]

@@TheTEN24 How badly he wants to be back? Seriously? So badly that he turned down 7 years for $158 million? So badly that he’s declining every offer they present him even when he has ZERO other teams making him offers? Thats how badly he wants to be back with them? What absurd alternate reality are you living in?!

[@TheTEN24]

@ sure he’s a dummy and turned that down but I do believe he only wants to be a met

[@dashx1103]

@@TheTEN24 Yeah. He would like to be a Met, but the Mets won’t meet his price point … despite agreeing on years. It is what it is. That he’s not accepting an offer he doesn’t value isn’t the same thing as “not wanting to be a Met.”

[@NYMetMike]

16:40 roughly you said it perfectly comparing Freeman, Olson, Walker and where the offer for Pete fits. Logical dollar figures and makes sense. Pete's not better than Freeman and compared to Olson probably not either yet it seems like he thinks he should be paid more than those guys (assumedly since we really don't know what he's asking for). It's tough but common sense has to play a part in all this. If he can get someone to pay him more than those guys AAV more power to him.

[@alissaayres]

Best intro ❤

[@jmy9595]

Jerry, you have to disregard Alonso being on the verge of the Mets' franchise HR record because whatever he achieves will be wiped out in 5-6 of Soto's 15 years behind him.

[@jefflewis4]

Its unlikely to be wiped out in 5-6 years. Soto's averaging 29 homers per year. Pete was averaging 38 per year. It would Take Soto almost 8 years to reach Pete's Mets total. And that's assuming Soto doesn't exercise his opt-out after year 5 which he very likely will.

[@SgtRobertLeynes]

YO METS MOVE ON FROM THE POLAR BEAR PETE ALONSO METS MOVE ON GET SOMEONE ELSE WHO WILL WANT TOO PLAY FOR THE METS

[@michaelmeenan5522]

OMG! Just sign Pete and Jose Iglesias and call it a day. We need both righty bats and those guys are Mets.

[@CarlosNMartin]

I also think that if he comes back, he should get the years it would take to set a record Soto and Lindor can't break on their longer contracts. I don't think 3 is enough.

[@Bdot1588]

Sentimentality does not matter.

[@askittsutube]

Jerry is looking great

[@Velcrobaby]

I’ll be at Amazin’ Day, I’ll look for you Jack!!!

[@jltweb]

Just grabbed Minter from the Braves! Whatta great get!!!

[@lauracoover3738]

I'm heartbroken 💔 as a Mets fan because Pete is such a great guy & teammate. He gave us so much joy in some really joyless years & now he wouldn't get the payoff of winning. I'm also sad that no other fanbase will love & appreciate him like we do & Pete deserves love. We've all seen how they put him down. 😢

[@robertfernandez5171]

First as a Met fan for 60 years! Is it about breaking a Mets HR record. It’s not like he’s reaching 500 or the all time HR record. David Stearns and Steve Cohen are building a Championship team for decades to come. He can come back as a farewell tour and break the HR record in his last year of his career as a DH. If it means so much to certain Met fans. Second, there is no way you’re going to pay Pete more than Freeman or Olson! I don’t see any team bidding for Pete! The market has spoken! Pete betted on himself and lost! 7yr./$158. That was a great offer! But it looked bad on his part when he turned it down and then signed with Scott Boras!

[@NGLaw56]

Tough to watch Pete go, but it sets a precedent and an example for the younger guys to take the extension when it’s offered.

[@dominicgervasio2548]

Day 24 of asking for a Shea Station & Rico off-season crossover pod. 2 best Mets pods in the game. Jerry/Jolly Evan/Hoff would be epic.

[@juanizquierdo1737]

Officially not out on Alonso. It might not look good, but they are not out.

[@johnstrawb3521]

They've been out on Alonso since Stearns became GM. It's funny, in a way. Pete isn't as valuable as Christian Walker but he was looking for Miguel Cabrera / Aaron Judge money. No one's thinking about this correctly. The Mets wouldn't be signing Alonso---they'd be signing the UPGRADE Alonso at 1B and Vientos at 3B provides over the following group at approximately the same AAV: Vientos at 1B + Mauricio-Baty-Acuna at 3B + Flaherty at SP + David Robertson at RP. And since Alonso returning to the Mets is far worse than that combination, why would the Mets EVER want him back??

[@dcsoda1]

It's a bummer teams don't seem willing to pay the dudes who helped get them to where they are.

[@TheKilrmy]

@@dcsoda1 ignorant comment. In 2022 because of what he had done the previous few years his salary went from $676,000 to over $7 million!!!! Then in 2023 his salary went to $14.5 million and in 2024 his salary went to $20.5 million. Meanwhile his slugging percentage, RBI, OPS, OPS+ and total bases went down each season and his strikeouts went up. So his salary was increasing every season while his production was declining and now you’re saying they won’t pay a guy who got them where they are? Lol.

[@TheKilrmy]

Where Alonso goes is where the Mets go isn’t what 2024 was. They made the playoffs despite him being garbage during the regular season. The Mets clearly don’t NEED Alonso. Alonso is NOT an “esteemed” power hitter. How can he be esteemed if literally NO TEAM has even attempted to sign him?

[@12mach]

It's funny I remember going into the post season ppl were screaming they wanted him out of ny, he hit that Hr against brewers now ppl got back on board but forgot how he was awful most of the season

[@EstesLaurence-m6u]

I can hear you.

[@Piazzafan1000]

I still think there's a good chance Pete comes back, especially if he's still out there after they add another reliever.

[@createdrosters]

Nimmo was definitely number 2 or 1b in the clubhouse this last year

[@edmor127]

The fact is that this is a business.....and publicly everyone tries to be a nice guy.....privately I think The Mets dont want to give Pete any credit for what he did....they are scared of his future....Im sad because I see him leaving.......BTW management....I go to see the Mets because of guys like Pete....a REAL Met...I buy the merch....I pay the concessions ..I dure the Traffic from Jersey....all for home guys....I gonna stay home and watch TV this year.....except for David Wright day....another real MET

[@dashx1103]

I’m frustrated by this discussion in some ways. Let’s not conflate issues … this was NOT Pete demanding more than a 3 year contract, which was implied here a few times. This wasn’t about years, this was just about MONEY. Jack saying that “we need to trust Stearns” and “he didn’t think Pete is worth more than that 3 year contract” fundamentally misrepresents the issue. The other thing is Jerry’s statement that the money saved on Pete frees dollars up for other guys also fundamentally misrepresents the situation. There is no salary cap in MLB. Any budget the Mets have is self imposed. And, in connection with this, people need to wrap their heads around just how much money $25 billion actually is. A friend put it to me this way, and I’ve stolen this metaphor from him: if Cohen spends $1 billion, including luxury tax, this season (which he won’t and which will partially be offset by revenue earned anyway) it is less of a hit on his wealth than it would be forme to buy a luxury car this year. Why fans are more concerned about saving money for the richest owner in sports than about putting the best team on the field is baffling to me.

[@ajhead7444]

There’s just no guarantee Pete is worth more than what Stearns and co. offered him. Especially for the Mets with three major league ready infielders (although I’m not sure how entirely open I am to watching Brett Baty get time again) who have to play or get moved. With Vientos looking like more of a first baseman then a third baseman (seeing him run the bases can be painful), and Mauricio plus Acuña in the background: there is no real glaring hole in our infield; other teams “need” him more, yet his market is fairly stale so I’m not sure he’s the missing piece for fielding the best team. It’s easy to overlook athletic ability in the sport of baseball, but it was on display in Milwaukee dropping a fly ball on the move, and a vast number of times throughout his career he was almost stumbling/tripping over his feet while backpedaling trying to catch a fly ball. I will say he’s gotten really good at scooping/footwork around the base, but when you take him out of that first base radius it can get ugly. He’s also seemed to age quickly into a three outcome player, which opposes the teams build and philosophy with guys like Lindor, Soto, Nimmo, and Vientos who keep the line moving and run into power rather than look for it. I hope I’m wrong and he gets to a point where the Mets offer is the best one, but my gut tells that the Pete Alonso experience being over is for the best.

[@jamesbuckley8917]

Jerry: irregardless is not a word. Use regardless.

[@AntidentiteDDS]

It is actually a word. You should google that before you make such a claim.

[@waxpackbriefcase3673]

Last year doesn't happen without Pete Alonso. The Mets success last year had little to do with Stearns. They had a magical second half.

[@lauracoover3738]

I won't go so far as saying Stearns had little to do with it but you're correct, that PO run was all Pete. And we don't get Soto without it. Falling out of the WC round is so much less impressive than 2 games from the WS.

[@waxpackbriefcase3673]

Stearns so far has signed pitchers that were reclamation projects and the Mets pitching lab deserves much of the credit there. Soto was a Cohen move. Outside of that Stearns signed Iglesias, Winker and Taylor and these guys way over achieved. Remember the Mets wanted to fire sell at the deadline last year. This trust Stearns narrative is ridiculous. I wish the best for Pete.

[@dashx1103]

I think Cohen simply insisted on doing whatever was necessary to land Soto. After that, I think Cohen is just relying on Stearns. Like Jerry said: "Stearns is the driver." And I've long said, I trust Stearns. I don't pretend to know more than him ... I definitely don't. But, damn, .. as a fan ... I hate this. The idea that the bottom-line is some kind of Rainman-like cold calculus doesn't sit well with me. People keep talking about "market value." "What is Pete's market value?" And Stearns' determination of that seems to be a line in the sand. But I think it is too detached from everything in baseball OTHER THAN the financial bottom line. I think there should be room for a multi-billionaire owner, who always tells us he's a "fan," to extend something for a home-grown player who is a fan favorite and a great story and who put up huge numbers for the team while never before getting to access "market value." I just don't like this. I guess I'm a romantic about baseball. When it simply becomes nothing more than a "business," it loses something for me. And this is a different situation than if Pete demanded 5 years and the Mets just didn't think he'd fit in their plans for that long. The reporting is clear: both sides were willing to agree on 3 years. The Mets obviously felt Pete would fit in their plans for 3 years. This just came down to money. And that is the most disappointing thing of all. Even if it was just Cohen saying, "hey, Pete ... you set the rookie HR record in a Mets uniform while making less than 1/2 million dollars. In the season after that, you made well less than a million dollars. We want to thank you, honor you, and send a message to all the other players we might seek in FA in the future -- this isn't just business. We take care of our own." I think there is value in that, and the money difference here is like couch cushion change for a guy like Cohen. I think Stearns is being too rigid here. I think he has a very particular idea about how things should be done. And I think unless Cohen tells him otherwise (as with Soto), we just need to get used to the Mets being run like the Brewers. There is something to be said for that. Stearns did more with less in Milwaukee. But I would like the Mets to compete for championships. And I'm skeptical of the current model in that regard. Again, unless Cohen takes charge.

[@lauracoover3738]

@dashx1103 I completely agree with you. They paid Soto knowing 150-200M was at huge risk on the back end and now you lowball & hardball Pete over 20M? Ridiculous & very disappointing. If it comes to pushing Pete out the door, they've lost my respect. I'm still hoping it's just a tactic that works on Pete but that assumes he's a robot & I don't think he is. Damn I really wanted to see drunk Pete on a WS parade float. 😢

[@dashx1103]

@@lauracoover3738 I’m with ya.

[@anthonyd.8067]

I don’t get Jolly’s logic, that other teams will jump in now. If the Mets with the richest owner in sports signal that they don’t think Pete a player they have had and watched closely for years is worth more than $23m a year without giving up draft picks why would that all of the sudden cause other GMs to start throwing money at him.

[@ForestOfSleep]

He will put asses in seats in a place like Toronto.

[@hakeimwatts6987]

​@@ForestOfSleepasses in seats to go nowhere

[@ACJ-x9x]

The contract is fair value!!!! He isn’t the best 1B in MLB, NL or NL East

[@PushTrash]

Polar bears like the north. They will love him in Canada.

[@flair954]

I’m so sad

[@DavidHollis-w3w]

Is it ok to be angry that Pete isn’t coming back. Kinda lived a lot with Pete from his rookie year to now - want him in this line up - Particularly after that moment in Milwaukee. Why can’t they pay him 90? Sometimes you have to overpay for clutch hits in the postseason. How’d that deal work out for Atlanta? They get to watch Freddy in the WS with a team who “overpaid” him.

[@B34N]

Still hope Pete signs with the Mets

[@himoverthere6716]

I’m quite okay with him not returning at this point. He’s had his opportunity to return.

[@kevinminns5272]

Me2

[@Aqwtiny]

Personal franchise records do not matter. Pete clearly doesn’t care for it. Stearns clearly doesn’t care for it. Whenever Lindor or Pete did something spectacular in a game or reached a milestone, a reporter would ask him, “how does it feel to do ____?” And Lindor and Pete would legit say, “I didn’t know that, but that’s cool. “ Fans are severely overrating these records. Records happen naturally and are broken. Banners hang forever.

[@johnstrawb3521]

Alonso clearly didn't care, given he rejected the most generous offer he's going to receive, by far. Turned out he was just another greedy buffoon slapped around by fate.

[@trevorwilinski8410]

Two things: 1) Love the stache on Jerry. 2) where can I get that hoodie Jolly is wearing?

[@aaronginsberg5045]

Why don't we try Winker at 1B?

[@AntidentiteDDS]

As long as they sign Santander

[@lavs8696]

I dislike the argument comparing pete's contracts to olson and freddie's. olson's was an extension, not free agency, and was 3 years ago. same with freddie, it was 3 years ago. by that logic contracts should never go up year after year. I think another team will give Pete at least 25-28 AAV

[@jayjayfrmstatefarm9363]

Of course Pete feelings are hurt. He turned down 158M he can’t sign for half of that to return to the same team, that would hurt his ego too much. Now he looks around & see Nimmo signed for more, Lindor & Soto. Pete won’t be on equal footing, he’ll feel out of place in his own “home.”

[@LuisRaulPerez-n5y]

PETE should sign with METS . That WILL NOT stop us to sign VLAD We can have VLAD, SOTO, PETE , LINDOR and NIMMO all together in 2026. VLAD and PETE can split DH/1B. That is why WINKER is a one year deal

[@dominickdicarlo1191]

This is all a public negotiation. I think he will be back in 2025.

[@Marcus-jb1cp]

Hey Jerry, can you play 1B ? Can you run ? Can you bunt ?

[@dashx1103]

Oh, man ... Jerry at 1b! I'd go to the park to see that!

[@AntTalks]

I would love to sign Bregman but if the Mets are going after Vladdy and we have Bregman on a multiyear deal which is what he is looking for, where does that leave Vientos? I want Vientos on this team and i’d hate to see him lose his chance again.

[@salvation2979]

Toronto is resigning Vlad. You can read about in Toronto news media. pipe dream for the mets

[@jeremiahraggie464]

Bergman 3rd, Vlad 1st, Vientos DH

[@AntTalks]

@ That would be ideal in my opinion but Stearns has said repeatedly that they dont want to stick Vientos into a DH role long term at such a young age.

[@mamalannightshyaman]

I don’t know what’s going on. Is it boras, is it Pete? I know it’s not the Mets. He’s going to tragically end up on the angels. He’s my favorite Met since David Wright. It’s super frustrating

[@butterthyme2241]

This feels similar to the Nimmo negotiations. Cohen seems to enjoy playing hard ball with these second tier stars.

[@danstewart2966]

So your Freeman analogy means I have to sit back and watch Pete win a WS with another team!?!

[@chiveskirk]

Right now it seems like the Blue Jays will acquire Alonso. If the Blue Jays do become competitive and win a WS with him then I will respect that.

[@hakeimwatts6987]

​@@chiveskirkbut they won't win and alonzo goes there because they're both desperate and alonzo will get ate up by american league pitching he'll regret going there

[@anthonygonzalez2136]

I like say before the Mets are still celebrating Soto Signing. Not has happened since then. They are counting on the bargains that they are getting from the basement.

[@Marcus-jb1cp]

Can Winker play any at 1B ?

[@dashx1103]

I think just about anyone "can" play at 1b with some work. Ask Scott Hatteberg. The problem is that wherever Winker plays he just is not a replacement for Pete's power. And don't get me wrong, .. I like Winker and I'm glad the Mets are bringing him back.

[@Marcus-jb1cp]

@@dashx1103 Oh - of course. I never said Winker is a replacement for Pete, but if the Mets aren't going to get another 3B who can hit, I would rather someone else play 1B and keep Vientos at 3B. Vientos needs some coaching on defensive alignment - - a little bit of coaching can go a long way with this guy.

[@dashx1103]

@@Marcus-jb1cp I agree with that. For sure.

[@mrgregory322]

Yes, he’s played first base before.

[@Linky]

Call me crazy, but I still think this all ends with Pete back on the Mets.

[@12mach]

Only as a DH

[@sldl04]

Alonso has declined for the past 2-3 years. Good luck to any team paying him in excess of $30 million/year for 6-8 years which is the contract that he and Boras is looking for.

[@trumanquinn]

🟠🔵👑🗽

[@Gandalfs_Grey_Hat]

The winker signing is better for the clubhouse than Pete coming back. Pete peaked early, had a great post season, but his swing isn’t what it used to be.

[@recommended1782]

do they even make playoff lol

[@gwong1544]

Trade for Guerrero and the Mets don’t need Bergman or Alonso ! Let some other team reward these two players for their past performances!

[@EstebanOrtizIII-d1n]

Shut up with that he earn our trust. There’s to many unknown variables on this team. These team is no where near beating the Dodgers. The Braves and Phillies are better then us

[@LoSoNBanks22]

If we do not get Alonso and he goes to Toronto and they resign Vlad. This will be a disaster, Mets need to come out with either or guys, prefer Vlad

[@12mach]

Vlad is gone

[@eganias]

Letting Pete get away will cost a lot of trust with the front office.

[@BKDBut]

I disagree. He's been offered numerous contracts. He turned down 7/158. It will be disappointing, but Alonso is certainly putting money first, and he's also not even being realistic about the money He's welcome to do that. But it won't reflect poorly on the front office.

[@eganias]

@BKDBut All the talk about Mets family will take a hit if the guy that most epitomized being a Met is allowed to leave for less money than the latest offer. Also, who's going to play first base? Experiments and wishful thinking?

[@BKDBut]

@@eganias Family talk doesn't mean you sign everyone who's on your team to bigger deals than anyone else would. Also the family talk is much more about ACTUAL family being involved, the players' families, not some corporate manager just saying, "We're about family" Barring a surprise trade Vientos will probably be the 1B next year. He's played a bit in the past

[@eganias]

@@BKDBut Good luck with that.

[@BKDBut]

@@eganias And I guess good luck with.... just overpaying everyone? Have you noticed how much the Braves and Dodgers underpay people? Who is on their roster that they overpay?

[@ElizabethDoyle-k2g]

Glad you are doing positive. Do what’s the plan without Pete? Does winker play first base? Who plays first? Doesn’t do d like a plan. Sterns is friggin clueless.

[@ElizabethDoyle-k2g]

Feelings of Friedman? Look what heading the WS. Sterns is a cheap ahole

[@fernandosandoval4711]

Why is. Alonzo. Listening 2. Bad. Advice from. Friends & Family ?

[@WillSheaActing]

I’d honestly rather Bregman

[@Rodrigo-vc7kh]

It's looks like the mets want to have a Hispanic team 😂😂

[@johnstrawb3521]

Pete was worth just 2.1 fWAR in 2024. Strangely ignored in all this is how Alonso may never have even one more season where he's worth a lineup slot---look how quickly R-R 1Bmen collapse. Also, why would the Mets even offer Alonso 3/69m? He's a 1/2 win upgrade on what every projection system projects Mauricio / Baty / Acuna at 3B to produce in 2025, something right around 1.5 to 2.0 fWAR. Why pay 23m a year for a half win upgrade? No one seems to grasp this: The Mets aren't signing Alonso, if they do sign him---the Mets are signing the UPGRADE Alonso represents over what the Mets will get from moving Vientos to 1B (where he rates to be more valuable than Alonso in 2025 and every year thereafter) and putting Mauricio--Baty-Acuna at 3B for $2m. The best position player on the Mets? In 2021, maybe. In 2019, Pete's rookie year, the year of the juiced ball---Pete was no more valuable in the overall than Squirrel. In 2020 Pete was barely replacement level, in a 6-way tie at 16th through 21st for most WAR on the Mets with the likes of Jake Marisnick. In 2021 Alonso was again less valuable than deGrom in only 93 innings, and 2022-2024 he was worth less than Nimmo and barely worth half the WAR Lindor put up, worse than Lindor every single year. A good player, he was always referred to as a complementary player, never a franchise player or a player a team builds around. In no way is Alonso an 'esteemed power hitter.' Not with a .459 SLG, 40th best in MLB.

[@recommended1782]

one tool lol isn't that what soto is one tool guy can't run can't play defense so according to the clown on the right side logic so soto is getting more then shohei so is he better then shohei lol even half (hititing)of shohei soto can only dream of that kinda of player

[@fernandosandoval4711]

HE Overated. Market for. Limited. 1st. Basemen Making $20. Million. P/Y.. I nwish he wuld come. Down 2. Earth & Acxept. Mets !.😢

[@AnthonyVicente-b2k]

Yes he’s been a Met for 6 years but what has he really done but fall short constantly in big moments except of course in his hr against the Brewers.

[@Pcbdude82]

Lindor has yet to give the Mets a full year. He was garbage for the first 2 months of last season. He hasn't really been close to what's expected of him his whole Mets career. Nimmo is a nice piece, but not carrying a team. Marky V is young. We can't rely on him. Not saying he can't be great. But wouldn't bet on it. With Soto. Idk we'll see. No doubt he'll be a bit bat. But pitchers will just walk him and go after a young Marky V or whoever hits behind him.

[@12mach]

Lindor finished 2nd in mvp wtf

[@ginodee5361]

Mets are a minor league team. Mets are a joke. 😂😂

[@AntidentiteDDS]

Plan B is a 17 year old? That will be great for 2030 while Sasaki pitches this season. Come on Jerry. Plan B isn’t Winker re-sign either. Jesus Christ. Another Stearns apologist. He deserves criticism. He hasn’t adapted to a big market environment. Case in point, he would have done all the same moves if he was brewer still. That is a problem and he would never have agreed to sign Soto for that contract.