MG4 or Nissan LEAF: we crunch ALL the important numbers. A surprise winner? / Electrifying

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Surprised (or not...?) that warranty wasn't mentioned - 3 years for the Leaf and 7 years for the MG.

[@simonyapp]

And DONT by a car using the old Chademo connector ! I’ve seen so many confused leaf owners arriving at CCS rapids. What a odd comparing idea.

[@hialastair]

@@simonyapp nothing wrong with chademo. been up and down the country and not a single charger has failed me. confused leaf drivers isn't a fault of the car, they didn't plan their journey properly.

[@marcg1686]

​@@hialastair Subjectively, I would say that Chademo is more reliable. I've often seen CCS chargers not starting the charge because the plug wasn't making full contact with the socket. Mechanically speaking, the Chademo plug is more robust than the CCS plug.

[@hialastair]

@@marcg1686 totally agree marc

[@MegaHorse7]

What about the MG4 oil leàk.

[@MarkGovier]

The MG having a thermally managed LiFePO battery is another major advantage and why it can charge so quickly.

[@780special]

I have just purchased a 6mths old Nissan Leaf N Connecta. More spec than the Acenta. Lovely car and got it for less than £20K with 2000 miles on the clock. Delighted with it, lovely to drive. PLUS THE LEAF IS BUILT IN THE 🇬🇧.

[@chrismawby1805]

Range, price and long warranty, MG4 for me.

[@Shambles7698]

But MG is own by the communist Chinese party which is not good for our future

[@stevenjones916]

And the pleasure of driving it.

[@bill_heywood]

Great video guys, it’s good to demonstrate how much car you can get for your money. My observation is that as the Leaf is £29k, you could fairly have compared it to the MG4 SE Long Range which is just £500 more. Then you’d be comparing a 39kWh battery car with a 64kWh battery car - that would have been a slam dunk win for the MG4 - 80 miles more real world range and 85kW higher charge speed

[@lozkko]

In theory, but you can get the Leaf for marginally less than the price of the MG4 these days (dealers are willing to drop £3000, or more, off the list price). Not so with the MG4!

[@scottmccall6105]

I looked at both and went for the Nissan leaf. It’s a beautiful car to look at and drive. Amazing spec for the money and feels premium when compared to the MG. Rapid gate has never been an issue for me but there was a software update a few years back so that might be why. I’ve never had an issue finding a chademo charger but would have preferred it to have CCS. To be honest through I go to its max range only a handful of times a year. The MG looks ok but it felt cheap inside and out compared to the Leaf. I also hate the spoiler on the back of the MG which looks like it’s melted flat. I might consider the MG in a few years after I see how reliable they are but with the leaf tried and tested, cheaper, 8 year warranty on battery, much better spec and quality the decision was an easy one when choosing.

[@briangriffiths114]

No comparison, the Leaf is yesterday's car and still lacks a thermal management system despite costing more than the MG which also has an LFP battery.

[@foxylady1048]

If the MG4 had been out the same time as the leaf in 2018, there would have been no contest in my purchase. The MG4 would have been in my garage.But as it wasn’t, the LEAF was the right car for me.

[@johnminshall242]

There’s no real contest here! Leaf is past it, sadly due to Nissan’s failure to upgrade it sufficiently to take on the competition. MG4 is currently probably the best value EV you can buy.

[@Brian-om2hh]

But this can mean that if you really fancy a Leaf, I believe it is possible to wangle decent discounts these days.....Although the Leaf has it's shortcomings, it is proven, reliable, and has 10+ years of development behind it. But yes, Nissan have fallen into the same trap as Toyota did with the Prius. They failed to fully build on the sales success, and evolve it into a full-blown EV. Nissan ought to have kept up with developing trends with the Leaf, and perhaps added a heat pump, or at least made it an option. However, Nissan are now fully occupied with the success of the new Ariya, so we're unlikely to see the Leaf improve or develop further.... If the Leaf fits your criteria, and you can get a healthy discount, it's still worth a look....

[@johnminshall242]

@@Brian-om2hh potentially, yes. Good point!

[@kipperdog7950]

Nissan Leaf is more heavily discounted which makes them both around 26k. This makes the leaf a good deal, as long as you’re happy with rapid gating, lack of battery thermal management and higher rate of battery degradation.

[@kennethsmyth]

Lack of thermal management makes the leaf simpler and more reliable though

[@Bricktop101]

You’re clutching there…own one?

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

@@kennethsmyth 🤨😂 Living without insurance saves all that paperwork and hassle in the event of a claim. Bit of the same logic?

[@geoffhemingway3926]

Yes and there was no mention of the fact that the standard range MG4 has a LFP battery and all its intrinsic advantages. Game over for the Leaf.

[@NealMcQuaid]

not to mention the Chademo port which is slowly disappearing for CCS.

[@johndoyle4723]

Chademo in the Leaf is the big weakness, finding a working Chademo unit is hard, and slow. The MG is the winner, but I worry about dealer support and long term reliability.

[@nickwilliams1953]

Agree about reliability, I think if someone offers a 7 year warranty that is likely because after that you will be throwing it away. The Leaf is still a quality build and that is proven by time but why does it still have no thermal management and a transmission hump when it is front wheel drive?

[@Brian-om2hh]

It's less of a weakness if you get an appropriate charging adaptor.

[@ms3862]

Only a problem for those too poor to have a home charger. Also ccs2 to Chademo adapters exist

[@ms3862]

@@nickwilliams1953MG is offering lifetime warranty on its cars in China and Thailand - yes you heard it right lifetime mechanical and battery

[@TheGramophoneGirl]

Agree

[@bretagnemaison5455]

We've had our mg4 for 3 weeks now and LOVE it! The daily commute is about 7 miles each way, in Greater London traffic (half an hour + ) and even with the so-called 'granny' 3pin 13amp domestic socket charger, we only need to plug in once a week over night. We have an 8kW wall charger too but barely use it. Happy bunnies

[@decimal1815]

TBH, with a 7 mile commute, you could have bought a Leaf Gen 1 for £4k and it would've done the job! MG4 is nice though.. wouldn't say no :)

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

Well, I don't know about the MG's interior but the Nissan's is reslly top notch. One of the best put together cabins I hsve seen in this class.

[@syedsaadshah3263]

We have the Nissan Leaf 40kw and are currently awaiting for end of March delivery for our MG4 Trophy. Whilst the Nissan is a good car, the rapid gate and limited fast charging speed is a big low point. The Nissan is perfect for a city and local journeys. Anything further where you need to charge it twice on rapid charger then you need a lot of time to waste waiting for it to charge due to rapid gate. MG4 is a better car with more standard equipment and longer warranty. It’s a no brainer that MG4 is the winner. Nissan (and others) take note.

[@rhyslatham3439]

ChaDeMo is the Betamax of the car charging world, if the Leaf had CCS I would have stayed in one. Why would you buy or lease a new car that uses a different standard to the vast majority of the charging network?

[@carlarrowsmith]

Not really, it's still the standard in Japan and they use a version of it in China too. Betamax outlived VHS due to its use professionally for many years but if you wanted to rent movies it wasn't the ideal machine to have. The Leaf will be discontinued in the near future, no point in redeveloping the product now.

[@hugowells3052]

It’s one of the only cars on the market that universally supports V2G/H out of the box. Really underrated feature. There is no ratified standard for CCS yet

[@Brian-om2hh]

It isn't so much of an issue if you're prepared to get an adaptor. I believe they are out there.....

[@davidspencer7254]

Lol. But you can fly your leaf to China or Japan and drive it there. 😂

[@robertjohnsontaylor3187]

Unfortunately CCS is now going into the past being replaced by NACS

[@tesla-spectre]

Between those two the decision is absolutely easy: it is the MG4 in absolutely aspects. Although I would go for the comfort trim...

[@undecided25]

Trouble is that the comfort trim (Trophy in the UK) is over £32k. For that you get an electric seat that has no memory function, a spoiler that slows the car down and reduces range, wireless charging without wireless Android auto and heated seats and steering wheel in a car that you can pre-warm from the comfort of your own lounge. Is all of that really worth £5k more than the standard model?

[@InBodWeTrust]

@@undecided25 Comfort is the SE Long Range ... the EU version of the Trophy is the Luxury.

[@chrishyde1216]

You can buy a used Tesla Model 3 for the same price as a Trophy.

[@manthe3711]

@@chrishyde1216 Not true in France, where we have up to 7k€ offered by the government for the purchase of a new EV, vs. only 1k€ for a used EV. So the MG remains considerably cheaper over here, even with the Trophy/Luxury finish.

[@kristoffergo6973]

That chademo charger is a deal breaker.

[@temper44]

I think the MG's biggest advantage is the London design studio. The nice lines and clean design goes a long way, meanwhile the Leaf looks utilitarian and basic.

[@decimal1815]

I suspect that most people just want a car that works and don't spend much time gazing lovingly at it on the drive like the reviewers seem to imagine.. I can barely tell you what my cars look like. They're just machines to take me to work!

[@Bobblenob]

With the prices would the MG4 SE LR have been a fairer comparison. I have ordered the MG4 Trophy in the same white as your car. I got in before the price increase so for 31500, still expensive, but cheap for an electric car and the trophy has everything chucked at it…except that rear wiper, I agree with you on that one

[@royagyei1099]

Hoping to get an MG4 with salary sacrifice which my employers are bringing in soon. I keep looking online if anyone does an aftermarket rear wiper, but no luck so far. Allegedly aerodynamics clear the rear screen, but that doesn’t help when reversing on a wet winter’s evening. It’s not a deal breaker but I really would like a rear wiper. I don’t understand why so many EV manufacturers seem to think mainly ICE cars require them. 🤔

[@billienomates7100]

Nah. MG4 is £27k and so is a Leaf after all discounts applied. They are the same market. The Leaf is just typical laziness on Nissans part.

[@CastleKnight7]

@@royagyei1099Not been a problem for me as I just use the side mirrors and rear parking sensors. It’s also never got so bad that I can’t see out the back window reasonably well, even during torrential rain. There’s a demister for those occasions when it fogs up. I don’t miss having a rear wiper.

[@squareeyz]

@@royagyei1099 The rear wiper missing is only problematic around town. I've found in my MG4 once you hit 60MPH the aerodynamic shape of the window forces air over the surface which blows it off quite well.

[@royagyei1099]

@@squareeyz thank you 👍

[@edvoon]

Not a mention about the two biggest deal-breakers for the Nissan LEAF - Chademo and lack of active battery thermal management. Unfortunately Chademo is dying a slow death outside of Japan, and CCS2 has emerged as the standard. Lack of thermal management also leads to much greater battery degradation and inability to fast charge after two or more legs. As a LEAF owner I would say never buy a new LEAF. However second hand ones are very good value. MG4 for me all the way!

[@shawing]

New cars and PCP are a con! Unless you're into literally throwing 1000s away. If you want an actually affordable car buy a used car instead, saves you way more and you can do what ever you want with it 😊

[@Brian-om2hh]

But with PCP or a personal lease, you have no concerns regarding depreciation..... Some people are happy to acquire cars this way, as it also means you are always driving a car that has warranty cover. You can't say that about used cars once they get older...

[@timrothwell33]

I like that reviews are now referring to x numbers of miles of range added in y minutes rather than the fairly useless 10-80% figures

[@decimal1815]

I'd rather they talked in kWhs..

[@paulbutler7835]

I've had 3 nissan leaf ' and would love to stay with it, but like other comments the CHADEMO charging network is now a real drag, esp if I want this car to be my family's sole car. So, seriously considering the MG4. The ongoing downer though is the MG4 is totally Chinese made whereas at mo the nissan is still UK built so feeling I'm supporting uk future ability to compete in car trade. Aaargh the decision.

[@northpointproductionsltd1592]

Yes. Please see my comment above. We really can’t be buying Chinese built cars with a clear conscience! ✋🏼 Also, already, people are flagging up reliability issues with MGs which dealers seem reluctant or unable to fix. Meantime, I’m on my third LEAF - and all have been astonishingly reliable. I may not now buy another LEAF myself but wait for the British built Nissan BEV which is shortly due to replace it. 👍🏼

[@TVRV8]

In New Zealand, you can now purchase a spanking new Leaf for the equivalent of 15,000GBP for the smaller motor/battery version or 18k for the top of the range.

[@thelaserhive3368]

The surprise really would have been if you’d recommended the leaf. Maybe different though if you looked at what it’d cost you if you went for a nearly new Leaf, versus actually trying to get an MG4 in a short time frame. UK supply is not our friend right now….

[@grahamkel]

My 3 year PCP on this Leaf is coming to a end. The car is great and I've been really happy with it but I'll be going for the MG4 next, I really like the look of the MG4. The battery on the Leaf needs a upgrade, they need to ditch Chademo connector.

[@rinnin]

Does Chademo do vehicle to load? 🤔

[@grahamkel]

@@rinnin no vehicle to load option on the Leaf

[@Yanquetino]

My head likes the MG, but my nostalgia likes the LEAF. I miss the LEAF I used to own, and wish that Nissan hadn't let other EV makers leapfrog them.

[@lozkko]

Not clear why Nissan decided to replace the Leaf (which has basically been left to die of old age and Chademo) with the Arya. As if that monstrousity would ever sell in sufficient volumes. If they had developed a new Leaf, with CCS they could still be in the game....

[@starfireforge1830]

The Tekna LEAF is going for £16,000 new at the moment!

[@philiphookham8135]

My local tow-bar installer told me yesterday that there still isn't a tow-bar available for the MG4 (March 2023) so that rules this car out for me. I frequently use a tow-bar for taking garden rubbish to the dump in a trailer and for transporting my bikes on a bike rack. Or, maybe you know different, If so, let me know who fits them.

[@lloydi4395]

Telford Towbars do one now

[@MyTurnRacing]

I was about to order a leaf.... but i counted the chargers at motorway service stations i went by. so many had 1 or 2 CHADEMO, and 4,,6,sometimes 10 CCS. Charging on long journeys with 2 young kids, I want every chance to get a charge and get going, and CHADEO isnt the one to have. Even Nissan agree, their new Aryia is CCS. When the leaf stops being made in the next couple of years, what new cars will use CHADEO? I cant think of any? So why will installers add many more? Having said that, I took delivery of my new MG4, had it a week, andits now in the garage getting stuff sorted..... and is likly to be there till next week aparently. I am sure it will be good when its fixed.

[@Brian-om2hh]

You can get an adaptor to allow you to use CCS on a Leaf..... But yes, Nissan have moved to CCS on the new Ariya.

[@malcolmward]

My LEAF came with 5 years unlimited mileage warranty. Boils down to whether you want Chinese or Japanese qualty

[@Brian-om2hh]

Well if you buy a Leaf in the UK, it's built in Sunderland. But yes, I see your point....

[@MrJudgi]

I thought about the mg but the missing of a rear wiper is a dealbreaker for me

[@markmueller8099]

Adding £10k to the list price to buy an ID3 because it has one would be the deal breaker for me

[@Chrisbrei2502]

It's not that bad. You can buy a spray that is rain repellent

[@edvoon]

Rain-X is your friend

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

@Garry i drove an ambulance for years, no rear window to use at all then. I really don't see the issue. plenty of cars have no wipers.

[@wesleyvelroij4837]

You should have mentioned, the Leaf is manufactured in the UK. Whereas the MG is manufactured in China, and nothing related to MG at all. They just bought the brand name after it got bankruptcy.

[@smarshallsay]

I'm considering my first car (and EV) between the (new) MG4 and a e+ tekna Leaf 62kwh thats used, a few years old but only a few miles on the clock. I'm not sure why you'd buy a new leaf but for

[@jimbo2629]

I have the Leaf with the larger battery. It’s more of a boy racer car than I am used to. The MG 4 actually seems to win all round but I would worry about reliability when buying a Chinese car. Most Chinese products I have bought have had the occasional serious fault. My other car, a Mitsubishi Outlander hybrid,outclasses the Leaf enormously on quietness, suspension, comfort, lack of range anxiety. Unfortunately they are no longer imported to UK and mine is getting old.

[@EnderGZ86]

I don't understand why Nissan isn't selling the Leaf with CCS or offering a conversion kit for current owners. Even if still meant DC charging at 50kw and the rapidgate still occuring I would pay even 1000€. As for MG, they should offer the LFP battery at every trim, not just the base model.

[@pigknickers2975]

Surely not impossible for them to make a connector for it. It would popular and gain lots of car sales.

[@hffletcher5906]

Have a new Kona Ultimate, really satisfied with it. The MG 4 is really stylish and excellent value, however those wires sticking up for phone charging are?? Looks as though someone was trying to hotwire the car 😂

[@Whocares17032]

You don’t have to do that ( the car doesn’t come that way) it’s just a wireless charge pad no wires

[@howardwologritz2355]

I've been debating for a while whether I would part x my leaf. Eventually I will, but wouldn't do it for an MG4 right now. Reading all the forums the MG4 has some serious reliability issues and despite offering a long warranty, you want a reliable car. For me there's two things that let the leaf down, chademo and the transmission tunnel. Still hoping someone comes out with an adapter.

[@martinv.352]

I drove 13.000 km with my MG4 and had not any problems. But it seems that it is a problem if a garage needs spare parts. I hope that this will improve in the future.

[@pigknickers2975]

I've had. LEAF for six years, great car due it's very solid build and amazing reliability. That counts a lot for me. Took the MG4 for a spin and thought the interior was cheap and how can you trust this new car firm? So a well discounted new LEAF is in my future.

[@gohumberto]

I have a used Mk2 LEAF (the Mk1 with a 30kwhr battery). I love it to bits and it does everything I wanted it to do. Trips up to 100 miles and charging at home from my Solar panels. However, Chademo charging port makes it a non-starter as a long range choice. Chedemo is very hard to find and usually there is only 1 port in any row of 10 CCS chargers. Summary. If you charge at home and only use it for local trips, or a commuter vehicle, it's a superb used buy (they are so cheap used). Otherwise, look elsewhere, the LEAF has had its day.

[@theairstig9164]

A near dead Leaf is still $10K near me. I can buy a fairly ok 2012 Yaris for that. Actually in both cases I’d rather walk

[@lawrenceharrison]

When does the MG4 performance edition arrive in the UK?

[@vasanthbaskaran5657]

Apparently i started the feel and love towards ev cars by taking leafs for rent . But when coming to owning a one i have recently ordered the mg4

[@dettie1948]

Whats the MG like in the wet and winter conditions being rear wheel drive?

[@ytdood]

Please please please stop mixing kW and kWh. Your channel is 'electrifying', by now there should no longer be any confusion between them.

[@Peizxcv]

I wish we have more compact EV like the MG here in the US. The Leaf isn’t very competitive here and everything else is 1 size bigger and sedan

[@fredbloggs72]

A quick calculation seems to show the differance in efficiency between Leaf and MG4 is minimal, i.e. 51/39x168=219miles compared to the MG's 217mile range, or am I missing something?

[@xezzee]

Short version to me the most important thin is that both car's take only 1-phase type-2 charging so the 62kWh Nissan Leaf takes almost 19h to fully charge. Mean while VW ID.3 would only take around 7h to fully charge. Some countries like Finland every house hold has 3-phase electrical grid while in other countries like England most households have 1-phase electrical grid. Learn which one you have and based your car on that in my opinion. Getting 3-phase charging means 1/3 charging time which is nice. Tough you will probably pay anywhere from 1k to 10k extra for that when including 11kWh home wall charger and installation

[@decimal1815]

MG4 SE can be charged happily up to 100% every day due to LFP battery. So that USABLE 50.8 kWh of battery in the MG4 can be fully exploited, whereas you will want to only charge up to 80% of the Leaf's 39kWh NCM battery on a daily basis = big difference in real-world range. Surprised that wasn't mentioned.. as it's a biggee. Assuming 3.5 miles per kWh you will get 109 miles of range in the Leaf on a regular basis. In the MG4 SE, you will get 177 miles. Long journeys are possible on the MG4, but not as easy in the Leaf, particularly when you consider the parcity of Chademo chargers on some routes.

[@solentbum]

It's a year on from the recording of this video. We have both an MG4 and a LEAF with 62 kwh battery. The deal breaker on the MG4 was that we could fit a towbar, Meanwhile the LEAF has covered over 32000 miles , the MG has covered around 10k miles with a different driver. For me the One pedal drive on the LEAF is tops. Now of course there are other, and cheaper EVs. They are all better than cars with stink pipes for most of what you will do.

[@palusisko]

I am little bit confused :-) In Germany the MG4 Standard 51kwh start from 30 000Euros(brutto) but much comfortable Peugeot 2008-e or Citroen C4-e starts from 29 000 Euros, ... and what more spacious VW ID3? It starts from 32 000Euros and you get much better quality of LCD, seats, infotainment, service network etc... Does the UK another pricing?

[@waynehobbs5175]

The elephant in the room not spoken about and critical is the fact the Nissan, even in 2023 doesn't have thermal management on it's drive battery. This omission has lead to premature degradation if either DC charging or in hot climates or double whammy if you fastcharge in Australia. The MG, like virtually every other EV has battery thermal management. Nissan's failure to include this is unconscionable considering the current Leaf was only released a couple of years ago.

[@KoochiKoochi]

They are both great cars and we have owned both. Get the car that suits you best and take these prices with a pinch of salt as there is some bargains to be had if you do some research and shop around.

[@Brian-om2hh]

That's the thing. I believe quite decent discounts are out there on the Leaf if you shop around.......

[@billycan8852]

For me it’s the leaf all day long . Not because I think the leaf is a lot better car . It’s because I will not give my money to China . We will leave it there I think .

[@decimal1815]

Biggest problem with Chinese cars like MG is availability keeping prices too high. Biggest advantage of Nissan cars like the Leaf is they are made in the UK, so lots available at good prices. Biggest disadvantage of Leaf is the lack of battery thermal management.

[@barriepotter3753]

How about the 2-way charging on the Leaf?

[@wongcna]

Never use the rear wiper but need 3 head rest at the back. Prefer camera. There is a new trim called x-power which has more gadgets and sport suspension. Not sure if it will be available in the UK. Anyway this MG4 is in short list.

[@martynmorris8160]

It's 4WD with over 400HP and will be around £38k

[@20thCenturyPox]

Increasingly, the electric transport I'm most interested in is a decent tram system

[@simonyapp]

So worse range, old type of connector and £2k more, don’t by the Leaf ✅

[@geoffhemingway3926]

For that money - used e-Niro still with about 5 years warranty and far better build quality and efficiency than either. No contest!

[@Brian-om2hh]

Well yes, that would be difficult to argue against.......

[@bamber119]

TBH I think if Nissan put in Pro Pilot into their entry level leafs then I would consider it but as they haven't and the MG looks so much nicer I think I've found my first electric car....

[@grahamcastle8189]

I decided not to by a Leaf after finding out that the battery was air cooled and could only be fast charged once a day. Bought a Zoe instead has a water cooled battery and can be fast charged as often as you want.

[@Lewis_Standing]

Chademo put me off as well as the details you mention but in the end it would have saved me 15k getting that second hand leaf+ Vs my Kona and I've rarely rapid charged and certainly not twice a day so maybe didn't need to care.

[@doddsalfa]

Where did you get information about 1 fast charge a day max?

[@howardwologritz2355]

@@doddsalfa I've had a leaf for a few years. The truth is somewhere in the middle. You can charge more than once a day, however, it'll slow down severely if the battery is over heating. So basically, you're not going to want to rapid charge more than once

[@clasoskarsson2405]

Zoe has not a watercoolant battery, but a ffan which cool the battery. Leaf has not even a fan....

[@hialastair]

@@howardwologritz2355 yeh for the 40kwh version, it's a non issue for the 62kwh

[@TheAlien1974]

The leaf is hideously overpriced and out of date

[@riaz8783]

The efficiency point is a fair one. You folks should do a real world test to see how far you can go on £20 worth of electricity in a bunch of cars.

[@Brian-om2hh]

£20 would do me for 3 weeks in my eNiro......

[@TheGramophoneGirl]

Interesting as this video is, but do people honestly decide which car to buy checking off stats like a game of Top Trumps?

[@colinphillipson4830]

Your new male presenter reminded me of your channel early days with Tom Ford unable to get the kW and kWh terminology correct. I would have thought this would be a pre-discussion before any camera shoots?

[@P5YCHO1192]

The leaf is great, it's just a shame it hit every single branch of the ugly tree. I find it horrible to look at. We have one in our house, and I've driven it a lot. The software/UI and button placements leave a lot to be desired. The charging timer also does not work and begins immediately charging, rather than the time it is set to! Quite annoying

[@gudmgu]

Leaf does not the cheap and bad in cold lfp battery. Why doe they newer talk about the lfp battery in the short range MG4

[@Jezmeister2k]

More miles per kWh is a winner for me. Then boot space.

[@tshikosiphathutshedzotshik1396]

How did MG manage to put together a compelling EV at the price of base Focus? Either MG is selling MG 4 at razer thin Profit margin or legacy autos aren't interested in making EVs cheaper

[@benrgrogan]

A bit of both I'd imagine, they described their profit margin as one they're 'comfortable with'. Presumably long term they're relying on the versatility of the platform to allow it to be used on a lot of other MG and Roewe Models, and generate some economy of scale. In the short term they're probably expecting the cars success will allow MG to pool their low CO2 averages with legacy brands for a nice payout. They did this previously with both VW and Ford.

[@lozkko]

I think established automakers are deliberately trying to keep EV prices high for a variety of reason 1) Make transition to EV slower/ more manageable, so ICEs don't become obsolete too fast 2) Maintain high profit margins, which are unusually high in the car sector after the pandemic 3) They are probably overestimating how much extra consumers are willing to pay for an EV based on past few years. What I mean is, if 1-2 years ago consumers were willing to pay an extra £8-9k for an equivalent EV, it doesn't follow that twice as many consumer (sales of EVs broadly double every 18 months or so) will do so when the price of electricity has increased by a factor of about three, and running costs are higher. So if you want to maintain EV growth, you need to slash prices, which is what Tesla understood and did. So I expect this year's sales to be almost entirely dominated by Tesla at top and MG at the bottom end... 4 ) Too much emphasis on increasing range with bigger battery pack and not enough on producing cheap EVs. I personally think that there would be more pent up demand from having a potential Corsa/208 with a smaller battery if it costs c.£20k i.e. broadly in line with ICE version, even if it has WLTP range of 200 miles or less. Rather than doing that they are trying to add further range to Corsa, as they will do with 23/24 model and selling it at list price of £30k. These are city cars!!!

[@adofoi30]

$26k U.S. for a Chevy Bolt..250 miles, and a 65 kWh battery, enough room for four, 6ft 3in adults.

[@XtremeCoke]

Good luck on MG's so called 7 year warranty. I had 2 MG4s both had same issues, MG couldn't provide a competence fix. Ownership and review couldn't be further apart. You may have more luck then me.

[@paullynass4848]

So did you hand them back?

[@XtremeCoke]

@@paullynass4848 I did, it's not my problem anymore...

[@paullynass4848]

@@XtremeCoke so the warranty worked out good for you then..:-)

[@XtremeCoke]

@@paullynass4848 2 MG4s, same issue, repaired 4 times from day 2 to day 30 and still leaking. I've been protected by Sale of Goods Act, not the warranty.

[@paulcooper8818]

Nissan has managed to ruin the reputation of the Leaf, so even if the cars on balance were close the MG4 would win.

[@tonybarton3746]

The mg 4 also comes in a tasty orange as well 🤪🤪 I’ve even seen one , nice 👍😊

[@squareeyz]

Volcano orange is only available on the higher spec Trophy version.

[@benellis7427]

These leafs are often £24,000 new on autotrader.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Indeed, if you shop around the discounts are out there....

[@The-Salty-Bager]

Good grief I never thought the leaf was an attractive car, but since they have put the black roofs on and those black and crome wheels its so ugly it actually hurts my eyes 😂

[@michaelgreen5515]

Just got a leaf and the MG4 a far superior car. Its just leaf a lot cheaper as they are trying to shift them.

[@adm924s]

"MG has been around forever" ??? It went bust decades ago, some chinese company simply bought the letters

[@amigang]

I don’t like how they say cars over £25K are affordable cars, its not for many many people. Below that, maybe.

[@Brian-om2hh]

But many are acquired via PCP or personal leases now. Few people just stump up £27k outright for a new car......

[@amigang]

@@Brian-om2hh i know, but even the monthly payments can be too much for many. Plus i know a few people who lost there car due losing there job during covid. Cash is king and still the best way to buy a car.

[@luckyphillips437]

Yeap.. wait until you've driven them both for 5 years... the only maintenance you'll probably need on the (made-in-japan) Nissan is to tighten the axle nuts at about 50,000kms... vs the (made-in-china) MG... well... you'll work it out :) It's not the Nissan batteries exploding on ships that's making it hard to ship EVs ;)

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

MG4 wins it on most things for me... but no rear middle headrest, no rear interior light and no rear vents? Do the chinese hate rear passengers?

[@Lyndalewinder]

I can't remember when I last had rear seat passengers at night and would guess many in the UK would say that too.

[@patevans7084]

Chademo will give 50kW...CCS may give you 100kW or a lot less depending on what time of day it is 😁

[@The_Observer72]

LEAF is a 10 year old car. Air cooled. CHAdeMO. Boring.

[@paulandrews2734]

Would like to see the MG here in Canada!

[@林振华-t4v]

Good luck!

[@zl6800]

MG4 is technologically more advanced.

[@northpointproductionsltd1592]

It’s funny how no one even mentions the LEAF is built here in Britain - providing significant UK employment at an extremely “green” factory in Sunderland - whilst the MG4 is built in coal powered China (a country also about to become as much of an international pariah as Russia once it invades Taiwan) and then shipped halfway around the planet on fossil fuelled transport = not exactly an ethical nor a “green” purchase! 👎🏼 I love my LEAF e+ and won’t be buying a Chinese built car with a phoney badge - former British motoring icon or otherwise! ✋🏼

[@willsbrewery3518]

The leaf is so unbelievably out if date now it just cant compete with the likes of the mg 4. The leaf doesnt even have battery cooling so will overheat when its rapid charged too often!

[@buixote]

No one evere talks about the eSoul. I think it's the best deal around.

[@darrenwallis7630]

ChadeNO

[@tomquimby8669]

The first 20 seconds were a joy, my hope bar was raised, but then the D lister popped in and ruined it.

[@hgh425]

Leaf is a decade old design and Chademo is on the way out. Where do you want to charge on the road?? No reason to look any further.

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

What about BMS? Is the battery in the latest Leaf better managed compared to the former editions, because heat management was nonexistent and state of health deteriorated faster. Don’t forget the MG4 base model has LFP battery, long term use guaranteed and 100% charging without putting the battery health at risk. RWD for an EV is btw always the winner.

[@DrMaxTex]

I will buy a used Leaf... don’t want to send China so much money!

[@phuketexplorer]

It's a bit like asking if you'd prefer a punch in the face or a massage. Of course, the MG4!

[@turbogeek.421]

MG4 all the way for my money.

[@KennyBrame]

Shove the Nissan.

[@randomuser1481]

Don’t know why you compare these two. They are not even closed. Leaf’s battery is air cooled while mg4 has a liquid cooling bms. So leaf’s battery degrades much faster than mg4. I can reject buying leaf based on that fact alone.

[@Erwinhooi]

Nobrainer: The Nissan Leaf, best value for money. Had the Zero Edition for 4 years/63000km and zero issues. Simply brilliant. First mot was €5,- administration cost only as it passed the test without any issue and even the brake fluid was still in good condition and did not need to be replaced!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@colinharvey1049]

Leaf was good when it came out but now is really showing it’s age.

[@Displays.1234.]

The leaf now is very outdated

[@godzuks]

I would give points to Nissan for interior quality materials seats etc.I would suspect Nissan is more reliable in the long term. (December 2022 MG4 was £26000 now £27000) 7 year warranty on MG4 but this does not included everything, seats I hear are 1 year warranty! Electric cars expensive to charge on the open road, home charging (cheap) is not available to every one (you need your own drive/charging point).EV Infastructure needs vast improvement. My next car will be nearly new petrol for around £20000!

[@ozoneA6]

Pretty sure you can hook up a rear camera on the MG. Lol.