MGS4 War Has Changed

War Has Changed!!!!

[@nonihedgehog83]

gaming has changed. It's no longer about players, unlocks, or enjoyment. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by corporations and players. Gaming - and its false promise of finished games - has become a profit machine. Gaming has changed. DLC packs, Players buy un-finished games, use online transactions. energy drinks inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. micro transactions control. useless DLC bundle control, player control. Gaming control. Everything is half assed and kept under control. Gaming has changed.

[@Jebotito]

+Kaz Miller master miller, the fiddle joke is old and venom said i should tell you to stop it

[@dragonshell1454]

Wait Venom talked

[@JohntheKing]

When the gaming industry is under complete control, cash-grab becomes routine...

[@gordonlo1284]

you sure as hell predicted no man's sky

[@garlandgarrison3739]

nonihedgehog83 PC gmers now beleive they are superior thanks to dawn fall of the console SOP........

[@Davide_Raf]

MGS: Genetic control MGS2: Information control MGS3: Emotion control MGS4: Battlefield control

[@ATM_Elly]

MGSV : identity control

[@Davide_Raf]

@@ATM_Elly more like psychologic control I think

[@MoskHotel]

MGR: Meme control

[@ignaciozunigaconcha6200]

Death Stranding: Delivery control.

[@Davide_Raf]

@@MoskHotel MGR: nanomachine control, son

[@Xynam0]

This dude crawled through a microwave.

[@jatoigaming]

HAHAHAHAH

[@FlawlessSubZero]

That part put my in my feels 😢 not to mention he got the shit beat out of him shortly after.I lost it when he put the gun in his mouth. I haven't been so attached to a fictional character (I was 10 when I started playing MGS) until Arthur Morgan showed up.

[@KobianoRoll]

The jump from Metal Gear 3 to 4 was so overwhelming to me as a kid. It’s just amazing

[@thetrophygamer3606]

MGS4 still looks amazing to this day and i believe it was around launch window or a launch title for the PS3. If not launch very early on.

[@UPoohto]

@@thetrophygamer3606 The ps3 was released in 2006, Mgs4 in 2008. Still very early on the console's lifespan tho.

[@thetrophygamer3606]

@@UPoohto ah cool. Wasn’t sure sense for as long as my family has had our ps3 MGS4 was always there.

[@Clone_Trooper-zh5cn]

Mgs 4 is a ps3 game only

[@aitehs]

​@@Clone_Trooper-zh5cn ok and?

[@MetalGearPearl]

Fallout 4: War never changes. MGS4: F#ck you, the war has changed

[@viviondioline]

uh not just fallout 4

[@hydra7427]

@@viviondioline You're right, it was in Fallout 3 too.

[@viviondioline]

@@hydra7427 and more

[@hydra7427]

@@viviondioline Nope, just Fallout 3 and 4.

[@viviondioline]

@@hydra7427 and new vegas

[@Bibbes95]

It is so mindblowing when you see that the games story plays in 2014 and when you look at the World now, you can truly say war has changed..

[@bldontmatter5319]

Everything is indeed proxies, since the 1960s America was controlling Iran, Afghanistan, ect through proxy leaders... And now the world is fighting back with their own proxies.

[@user-pi1lb4tf2f]

This is 2008

[@Bibbes95]

@@user-pi1lb4tf2f The story of the game plays in 2014

[@sagetedeschi7308]

Just watched an entire platoon get wiped out by drones, war has definitely changed.

[@Layde36]

​@@bldontmatter5319stop comparing irl elements to a damn fictional story westerner, it's hypocrisy at best

[@TotallyNotTony_]

When you get an F- on a test that's 40% of your grade.

[@manoftheocean6988]

Hey kids welcome to Sam O'Nella academy

[@user-sf5li1ob1z]

F to repespect

[@user-sf5li1ob1z]

X to respect, utube doesnt allow me to type that character..

[@Edgeworth992]

School has changed. It's no longer about learning, making friends, or even having fun. It's an endless cycle of grades gained from all nighters and black coffee.

[@johnnyg4mer764]

The nanomachine subplot is one of the greatest, most well-built social criticisms ever. Since it's a system that's planted inside a soldier that regulates damn-near everything the man does, it kinda corelates back to the internet in general. The news we read are controlled. The comments we make are controlled. The videos we post are controlled. *The age of trolling has become the age of control.*

[@Lesha126r]

Very alegorical

[@johnnyg4mer764]

We all do a little trolling

[@ilikepigeons6101]

every man should be free to troll how he sees fit

[@zm1786]

The only people unaffected are antivax Chad's, like akiba

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

@@Lesha126r The sacred and the propane

[@WednesdayMan]

"The age of deterrence has become the age of war" after having played through MGS3, Portable Ops, Peacewalker and Ground zeroes that line is more meaningful than before.

[@saber2802]

Even more so if you look at the modern day.

[@DEVeloper_ACE]

Also the stuff said in mgs2 about the digital society...

[@Sly_rim]

So meaningful that you couldn't even be bothered to remember it correctly

[@G0og1eGugz]

@@Sly_rim minor quote mistake moment

[@rosaria8384]

And then Phantom Pain brings the predecessor to nanomachines and the beginning of the proliferation of PMCs, starting in Central Africa...

[@Titan0l]

Memes have changed. It's no longer about comedy, ideologies, or creativity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by shitposters and corporations. Memes -- and their conjurance of trends -- have become a well-oiled machine. Memes... have changed. hash-tagged users follow hash-tagged trends, use hash-tagged messages. Emojis within their text enhance and regulate their material. Information control, emotion control, memetic control... everything is monitored and kept under control. Memes have changed. The age of self-broadcasting has become the age of control, all in the name of connecting everyone through social media, and he who controls the website, controls the people. Memes... have changed. When the internet is under total control, memes become routine.

[@josevilla943]

Just beautiful

[@saecwave9855]

THE MEMES THE DNA OF THE SOUL

[@aspart2842]

Your memes end here

[@rasheedyoufreealrajhi6022]

comedy has changed. it's not about being funny, or making someone smile, its not even made for the fun of it. it's an endless mountain of unfunny and unbased cringe, made by karma whores and attention seekers. comedy and its vast consumption of human creativity, has become a well oiled machine, where there is only unbased and incel cringe. comedy has changed. neckbeards make memes on a server, with power tripping mods, where they ban people for going against the echo chamber based cringe in their veins enhance their ego, and make them unfunny and cringe femboy control... information control... emotion control... subreddit control. everything is monitored, and kept under control. comedy has changed. The age of mlg pro gmaer shrek and harambe and we are number one is now the age of unbased attention seekers, averting the based from memes of originality. and he who controls the subreddit, controls history. comedy has changed. when the subreddit is under full control by the mods. comedy has become routine.

[@patrickstar8356]

@@saecwave9855 is full of shit a meme?

[@SpadeALay]

This is me when nerf announced the new guns

[@pliskin179]

This comment needs more likes 😂

[@stealy9608]

i came to this to make a meme about the new nexus pro lol

[@therealtijuanaman]

You the real mvp

[@goodqualitysaltgg3297]

Gel blasters

[@jev2359]

ID tag soldiers carry ID tag weapons, use ID tag gear.

[@Hoonters-goona-Hoont]

Darkvorgan is now online.

[@somedude2151]

That kinda annoyed me, oof

[@mrsnoopdawg7356]

Lol 69 likes

[@apparentapplepie8047]

V has come to

[@OverwatchSniper]

let the legend come back to life

[@HeWhoSlayethCain]

Darkvorgan has come to.

[@g3orgge788]

Well, this is relevant today.

[@jibur44]

True

[@aspart2842]

@@jibur44 not really it’s still about nations

[@lvgenivs2319]

@@aspart2842 No it isn't, if it was it would be a regional war at this point, not a economic war waged by both sides. If nations still existed then the US wouldn't be as fucked as it is.

[@MOVIEGUY925]

Yes yes yes

[@MOVIEGUY925]

@@aspart2842 no is not

[@plutosmash6068]

Everybody gangsta till Darkvorgan comes online

[@apparentapplepie8047]

V has come to

[@Clone_Trooper-zh5cn]

Who is that are u talking about snake?

[@mrwonka990]

that was the last time he was seen

[@Avalon_1991]

Love this game. An old soldier on a final mission whilst his worn out body slowly deteriorates after so many battles. Probably my favourite video game character with Nathan Drake a close 2nd.

[@BEEEELEEEE]

Like the movie Logan

[@imbossbro0592]

@@BEEEELEEEE theres plenty of similarities between logan and mgs4 isnt there

[@ludvighstrup4266]

Not love this game

[@chrisquiett1776]

This game gets a lot of hate and I have no idea why, it’s in my top 5

[@nok4799]

​@@chrisquiett1776it's really only because of the long cutscenes from what I understand, also the fact that the cutscenes possibly are longer then the game itself but I could be wrong

[@sword111119]

Probably the best monologue in a video game. This would be an incredible movie as it really hits close to home with what is happening in the world today in 2023.

[@juancarlosbodoque8561]

A movie? I prefer a videogame, its better.

[@ZeR-nr6if]

Bro mgs4 is a movir with some gameplay if youre bored of the 9 hours of snake

[@axolotl09]

mgs4 is basically a movie

[@GamesRUs-bj2ut]

A TV show or even an anime would fit metal gear better than a movie IMO.

[@mniakan754]

Wait until you see the sequel to 2023, the 2024

[@Yaboibarel]

Metal gear fans arguing with fallout fans if war has changed

[@AverageUsernames]

And both of them agreed

[@Literallyryangosling777]

In fact it just got worse and worse

[@Zombiezero4]

I remember fondly. It was August 31st, 2009. I was just about to turn 17. I just got home from Gamecrazy with my brand new Playstation 3 Slim, along with a copy of Grand Theft Auto 4 and Metal Gear Solid 4: Gunds of the Patriots. I hooked everything up to my small 19' MAGNAVOX 720P Television that had a small 2.1 Altec Lansing stereo system plugged into for better sound. I turned on my new playstation 3, wen't through the set-up screen and put my copy of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. I booted it up and I was immediately blown away by how amazingly good the graphics were during the install screen where Old Snake just stands there smoking a cigarette. Once the opening cutscene (Which is this) played out, I was immediately captivated. The Music that played and then hearing Old Snake speak for the first time! It definetely changed my life, if not just making a huge impact on me. I couldn't believe I had finally got myself a copy of this. Seriously one the best video games ever!

[@griseld]

That's the kind of emotion that you never get to experience anymore nowadays. Very rarely I find games that give me such excitement and that i look forward to. They're all a cashgrab nowadays. Very sad, I remember going back home with a copy of MGS3, same feeling.

[@jackfrost6842]

Sorry to make you feel old, but... i was born in 2009

[@Alonso10955]

This is why MGS is my favourite saga. My favourite character is Big Boss, he's a broken man who was only taught to be a gun. His only goal in life was to fight. He was a terrorist and a villain but he fought for what he thought was correct. On the other hand is Solid Snake. He's also a broken man but whose goal in life was to stop wars. My ideology is nearer to Solid Snake.

[@bandit___01]

Whoda thought that one of the greatest video game intros ever would become an actual state of reality

[@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine]

Hideo Kojima is a time traveler

[@shadow_hive]

Didnt know we had nanomachines already Or a war economy Or an A.I that controls the flow of Information throughout the whole world

[@Layde36]

Imagine comparing irl to a damn fictional story

[@p_filippouz]

​@@Layde36 You completely missed the point

[@Layde36]

@@p_filippouz nah we foreigners didn't, more like westerners are just that ignorant

[@MoeGunz]

I remember when that moment of seamless transition from cutscene to gameplay happened and I was like 🤯

[@beta_xiii2721]

Ron Perlman: War... War never chan... Snake: WAR HAS CHANGED!

[@SolCresta3405]

Is it that picture of Snake slapping the guy?

[@armyboy0579]

Philips CDI Mario: NO.

[@kirschitz64]

"It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines" *Bayraktar in Ukraine intensifies*

[@Randomvietnamdude]

*flexible diplomacy*

[@user-ss6co6vj5f]

More like - "Soldiers of Fortune"/Mercenaries (and EU and USA's PMC) and Russian PMC "Wagner's Group" intensifies. And proxy war - mean a info-war with some degree of battles. Which means - Battle of "Fake News". And yes, it exist - MGS 2 was mention in the end - how USA ("The Patriots") and other world - trying to cenzor information in internet, or control that by Fake News and "AI System" (Facebook and Twitter Factchecking Bot's system are - a example). Funny how you people - didn't learn from that games, but trying to be clever and funny.

[@jacman6409]

Hideo even said it himself that war has changed due to Ukraine

[@_Gandalf_The_White]

When the rich kid enters the waterfight with a supersoaker.

[@EspadaGames8638]

me loading up fortnite after not playing for 3 years

[@zombieatom1418]

Bruh, I feel that 😂🤚

[@axolotl09]

so true though

[@dicembre15_mat]

Nah image playing fortnite

[@mniakan754]

The age of having fun in games has become the age of addiction and manipulation to buy more skins

[@sketchy_mat438]

Nah imagine having the reddit Mindset and hating online games for no reason

[@nandoxus]

Today Prigozhin the leader of the Wagner PMC got allegedly killed. I immediately thought of this intro 23rd August 2023

[@lucasahumada6913]

Still hits the same after all this time

[@haydenridley9919]

“The feeding ramp is polished to a mirror sheen. The slide’s been reinforced. And the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The sight system is original, too. The thumb safety is extended to make it easier on the finger. A long-type trigger with non-slip grooves. A ring hammer… The base of the trigger guard’s been filed down for a higher grip. And not only that, nearly every part of this gun has been expertly crafted and customized

[@ComicAcolyte]

This still makes me cry. Kojima and his team are such auteurs.

[@TheButterMinecart1]

@OMGitsAzrael You could look it up you know? It's French for "author".

[@g3orgge788]

This has more meaning year after year.

[@SuperSoylaleche]

Israel vs Hamas.... it's just like the beginning

[@zadalmelik011]

The Taliban once again

[@user-ut4tk4ph5z]

@Sarina Freeman Its right tho.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Guess which country that has the biggest MIC out of them all?

[@psyxypher3881]

Honestly, I feel like the statement on how war has changed was remarkably on point. I think that in an effort to make war more "humane" we've caused it to become horrific. War used to be about killing your enemies. Now, when we've forgotten that, we've caused the age of forever war. The age of deterrence was a greatly peaceful era in human history. And what is it now?

[@GENOSAD]

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I read "the age of deterrence" in your comment just as Snake was saying it in the video. That's it, there's nothing clever that I have to say.

[@MrBaby400]

Love how Kojima was able to predict Syrian civil war with the syrian rebels as the armed group in the game and Wagner Group as the Pmc's

[@jdude222]

This is the emotion that MGSV completely missed.

[@WednesdayMan]

as someone who has played MGSV, I'm guessing this means there's way more emotion in MGS4? which is alright, since this is meant to be the finale of the series (Revengence is at the end of the timeline and is canon) and I'm playing the games in chronological order. so this'll be fun to get to once i'm done with MGSV, and Metal Gear 1, Metal Gear 2 as well as Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2.

[@ozzfest12349]

@@WednesdayMan if you've never played Metal gear. I honestly highly recommend playing them in release order. It makes much more sense in my opinion.

[@Jack-cf7wm]

@@WednesdayMan Revengance is canon? I thought it wasn't?

[@WednesdayMan]

@@Jack-cf7wm Eh you're free to interpret as you want, it ties into a plot point that wasn't explored in MGS4, which was the effect of the war economy going away and what PMCs may try to do to bring it back.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Mgs4 90 percent cutscenes 10 percent gameplay Mgsv 90 percent gameplay 10 percent cutscenes Perfectly balanced

[@malikkemp7617]

Honestly the best opening I have ever seen in a video game

[@gohansan3933]

Kojima san tells the reality in the world. War becomes routine

[@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine]

As a Marine who was stationed in Japan, and visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki, this is the best I got: "I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity". - Dwight D. Eisenhower

[@Layde36]

Imagine comparing irl to a damn fictional story

[@Layde36]

​@@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine it is understandable talking about what happened irl but please don't compare fictional story to what happened with real life as irl is very different from what's portrayed in media

[@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine]

@Layde360 Did you not read my comment? I served 8 years in the Marine Corps, been to 15+ different countries across 3 continents. I'll compare whatever I want. Get out of your Mommy's basement. BTW, Bungou Stray Dogs is boring and unoriginal.

[@Layde36]

@@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine yet in all that comparison westerners fail to understand why wars are fought in the first place i.e to preserve ones Empire, westerners have a naive understanding of saying war is bad yet they do actions which initiate war in the first place by discrimination, corruption and pushing ideological rhetorics as to use people against each other to gain power, westerners are provided this ideal way of thinking as good and bad and then they also use grey elements and claim others as lesser evil yet for us foreigners it's all the same instead of quoting colonial Presidents who will talk all philosophy but do the opposite of what they preach maybe westerners should stop worshiping their leaders or philosophers who just talk nonsense rhetorics as to take them away from the fact that all their philosophy is only quoted to make money for them

[@bruchett4799]

This is my first time playing this and the amount of detail within and outside the game is unreal.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

I can now do this whole monologue in Old Snakes voice, I always do it in my car to work lol

[@FATMAN162x]

Hideo Kojima, a man who really understands what "The Times" mean. Understanding how each era changes, due to revolutionary inventions, or catastrophic wars. Sometimes these video games or movies or whatever entertainment you consume is actually where you learn life's most important lessons. Now think, these are also the things that are slowly changing as you know, "The Times" change....

[@deathtrooper2048]

All of the things he has mentioned were all in previous metal gears except for maybe nanomachines

[@mikevignola4213]

I've always felt that above all else Hideo Kojima understands politics. Listen to the conversations that happen in the codecs in the context of what year they were made. He always has been drastically ahead of the curve.

[@redtango9472]

MGS4 is a loveletter to the fans.

[@randommetalhead7]

nigga, that shit has truly hugged my soul. what a piece of art the MGS franchise is, damn!

[@Creeper_ofDoom]

And its still only on PS3 :(

[@Teffe-zq8tr]

Goddammit darkvorgan

[@old_liquid]

what is it

[@jamesfrank3213]

This is what happens when you let the AI determine your tactical actions...just run straight into the line of fire regardless of the casualties...

[@writershard5065]

I mean, an AI is constructed by rules provided by the programmer. If your AI is telling you to run into the line of fire regardless of casualties, you have failed at designing and building a helpful AI.

[@Klim04]

That's very primal emotion based thinking james

[@banzaiperson]

Interestingly, most AI chess/Go programs are very materialistic, meaning that they’re moreso interested in racking up the enemy’s casualties than their own. The problem is positioning, whereby AIs tend to be put into poor positions that permit the opponent to gain the upper hand.

[@carloseduardogavino7880]

​@@writershard5065

[@jay1jayf]

Nice trump pic

[@xamhehehe7888]

I know people are supposed to agree with fallout that "war never changes" but honestly as life progresses further solid Snake's dialogue about how "War has changed" is more relevant especially how everything is now monitored and kept under control... Even in the real world we are becoming the age of tyrannical monitoring and control

[@woresor5585]

War never changes in the idea that war will never end as long as humans are around, but the way wars are fought has changed and will continue to change.

[@xamhehehe7888]

@@woresor5585 So basically fallouts message of "war never changes" simply because humanity exists.... Very simplistic and to the point. While on the flip side Metal gear solids message on "War has changed" delves into how war is being fought and how it evolves. *However* there's an argument to be met that if War becomes routine. Has the original motives of War changed? Because then it's no longer "War" anymore, and once it's become eroded and become "routine" it's become something else.

[@solidparas1925]

@@xamhehehe7888 actually i think that what fallout 4 is trying to say is that war always ended up with people getting killed and never changed

[@Teixas666]

Fallout's statement is about on " why" we go to war, which ultimately never changed, it's part of human nature. MGS's statement is about how wars are fought, which changes with each technological milestone we reach.

[@axlem4549]

​@@xamhehehe7888You are getting the entirely wrong message from fallout. The first fallout even directly states that as long as finite resources are around, humanity will fight to get them to stay alive.

[@DefinitelyNotAnOsprey]

War has changed so drastically over the years, and yet, it's stayed exactly the same. We may have moved from sticks and stones, but the will to conquer and sieze more than what we're allotted will stay in our nature for eternity.

[@purplesamurai5205]

For both better or worse, I classify MGS4 as an experience rather than a game.

[@maddogsgaming7567]

It's an even better scene with the context of past metal gear games since it shows the absolute low point in the timeline that the series built up to since metal gear 2: solid snake

[@mercgamemaster9911]

As a kid, for the first time, I really felt like I was a part of the battle. From the beginning to the end, hearing the recorded screams and shots, and even explosions. It all felt like friends, really. Getting immersed in that was great for the game experience, and putting myself in the shoes of the rebels.

[@remiliascarletmybeloved]

MGS4, for all its ups and downs, is still a pretty good game. It’s not the best metal gear game, and I wouldn’t say it has the best story out of the metal gear games, but there’s really not many other games like it today.

[@infernoROBO]

It still has a sad as hell ending though.

[@DreadPirateRoberts121]

Both this and MW2 had some real banger monologues general shepherd had some awesome quotes, same with snake

[@Joshua_N-A]

"We are the most powerful military force in the history of man. Every fight is our fight, because what happens over here matters over there. We don't get to sit one out." Well, this is modern day USA in a nutshell, I think.

[@AverageUsernames]

This aged well...

[@Demimatrix]

Easily one of the best intros for a game in decades

[@luisuribe706]

Bodybuilding has changed it's no longer about health benefits or fun it's an endless series of steroids used by influencers and conceinted people

[@KnutKniffte]

More important than ever....

[@lemarscottwhyte3260]

First thing I thought of with Russia, Ukraine, Nato going on.

[@mandolfc9549]

the speech Snake gives makes me think of our future, war fought on no moral grounds, just poxy conflicts design to do nothing but keep an world economically afloat.

[@Frille512]

@@mandolfc9549 One shutters to imagine a world were wars are fought over nothing but money Hey wait a minute

[@marcosbradanovic9100]

@@Frille512 lol

[@dimitristsb1225]

I know why you are here

[@sr.linguica2122]

And now i shall wait for the robots with the artificial intelligence of a cow

[@crowcade]

Because I like MGS4?

[@reynsbasement2654]

"War has changed."

[@zeropelli7026]

Fallout 4: war never changes Mgs 4: war has changed Me: *confused screaming*

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Both? Both. Both is right.

[@left4bread599]

I was looking for this comment

[@solidsnake8330]

Fallout 4 "War never changes." Is about the reasons why war is waged. MGS4 "War has changed." Is how war is waged.

[@GenericProtagonist118]

@@solidsnake8330 Promote this man!!!

[@luiszuniga2859]

Cannon Fodder: War! Never been so much fun!

[@solidsnake2141]

War has changed.

[@donnietheslayer528]

War...war has changed

[@doppelvonkaiser9835]

War....war never changes

[@JuriSins]

@@doppelvonkaiser9835 no.

[@rosooa5941]

@@JuriSins Y e s

[@chumimin7987]

Ya we got stands now what do you have old man nano machine LMFAOOOOO

[@Chris_Burdick]

What makes this scene ironic, is that Snake was right.

[@nasiransari9761]

Big boss dream has come true. A world of war and information control. Mercenaries and Soldiers.

[@VegetaLF7]

The terrifying thing is, this isn't the first time. Go back and watch the end of MGS2 and realize how much of it came to pass in the years since that game came out.

[@stateofopportunity1286]

@@VegetaLF7 We are living in the age of GW.

[@luiscasillas9853]

I hear a character say "keep up the pace" at that pace they will all die in minutes.

[@natethegreat7967]

Fortnite has changed. It's no longer about being OG, bush strats, or sky bases. It's an endless series of build battles fought by sweats and pro players. Fortnite - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. Fortnite has changed.

[@dillonkinder9296]

Who needs Call of Duty when you have this awesome incredible game

[@benb5501]

Years later an it’s still epic…

[@reemasaurus]

Watching this now is like watching an episode of black mirror

[@BSE1320]

"When you have nothing left to live for; what would you die for?"

[@Just_normal_youtube_channel]

I absolutely adore the morally gray world Metal Gear. It’s not afraid to show the harsh realities of war, but it never goes with the naive perception of “Why war happen? War bad.” Like, we’ll see a bleak depiction of the battlefield like this, but then like an hour later we’ll hear Snake and Ottacon talking about how war is hard-wired into mankind and how it’s ultimately unavoidable.

[@DudeWithTheNose]

if you don't think mgs is anti-war i don't know what to tell you

[@Just_normal_youtube_channel]

@@DudeWithTheNose I never said it wasn’t. I was just appreciating the nuance.

[@Layde36]

Imagine comparing irl to a fictional story

[@Just_normal_youtube_channel]

@@Layde36 I see no point in trying to argue with you, as it appears you lack basic reading comprehension.

[@Layde36]

@@Just_normal_youtube_channel well the irony is that westerners keep believing that wars are part of human nature yet those who are rich are the ones who benefit from it we can understand all your western philosophy all well talking about how we humans are supposed to be killing machines yet in reality we are made to be killing machines by those powerful as most of humans wouldn't like to kill or even have any thoughts of it let alone kill their neighbours unless we are pushed to the brink with lack of resources or for survival which is something westerners don't like to mention in their games and tell us foreigners how less intellectual we are yet all we see is westerners talking about nonsensical rhetorics western rhetoric to claim humans are bad is just stupid tbh, it's just an excuse for people to just commit whatever atrocities they feel

[@DefinitelyStephanie69]

fucking depressing how much this got right

[@OnlyCleaning]

Not depressing, you need just to know how to play the game with the war changed .

[@old_liquid]

Mostly frightening, cuz MGS2 got it right 20 years in the future, I wonder what comes next.

[@scottypittman1]

The monologue to end all monologue

[@jibur44]

Monologues have changed.

[@someindividual8872]

I gotta say that if we (the world especially governments) learned from the multiple voices all over media speaking about the suffering of war and the needlessness of it. We wouldn't have situations like the one in light of recent historical invasions and escalations. This opening hits hard cus of it. And reminds me about the very real horrors of war and the intense destruction and suffering it brings to everyone involved in it. And in other words a thing we should try to avoid at all costs.

[@stateofopportunity1286]

You realize that most aristocrats who occupy world governments, and the wealthy oligarchs who own said aristocrats, are psychopaths who view all other humans as nothing more than numbers on a spreadsheet, right? Don't listen to their honeyed words. They use those to control your behavioral responses. Instead, watch what they do.

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Metal Gear: War has Changed. Fallout: War never Changes. Khorne: WAR is WAR!

[@AceD500]

Orkz: WAAAAAAAAAAAGHHH!!!!!!!

[@SolCresta3405]

War! Huh! Yeah! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

[@Chmpy]

legend says that Darkvorgan is still waiting online

[@mistah_bacon]

Twitter Version : War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of Ratio battles fought by Anime Avatars and Furry Avatars. War has changed. And he who controls the Ratio's, controls history. War has changed.

[@Viper-uk6qv]

Memes have changed. It's no longer about comedy, humor, or relatibility. It's an endless series of JPegs, created by people and machines. Memes--and it's consumption of attention span--has become a well-oiled machine. Memes have changed. ID-tagged users, leaving ID-tagged shitposts, in ID-tagged servers. Moderators inside the servers enhance and regulate their abilities. Funny words and JPegs are introduced, and die out less than 2 weeks later, due to moderation control. Mind control. information control. Emotion control. Attention span control. everything is monitored and kept under control. Memes…have changed. The age of freedom has become the age of control, all in the name of averting humor from people of legitimate comedic standards. And he who controls the internet, controls history. Memes…have changed. When the internet is under total control, memes with short life spans become routine.

[@stateofopportunity1286]

You should replay MGS2.

[@Viper-uk6qv]

@@stateofopportunity1286 I've never even played a metal gear game lmao

[@stateofopportunity1286]

@@Viper-uk6qv You're missing out

[@joaocolaco1498]

David Hayter, man. THE voice

[@davidsnakedoe7322]

Best game of all times. Period. Solid Snake = the Final Hero

[@ps3andrhcp]

Nah. Second greatest game of all time, only behind MGS3.

[@Malaneth]

t h e w i t c h e r

[@ps3andrhcp]

Third greatest game.

[@Malaneth]

Fair statement. Witcher franchise has masterpiece story. MGS has better BUT If we count The WItcher books, then it is the best game ever made. Also Doom

[@ps3andrhcp]

But we be talking games bud. The books are incredible though (I need to read them). But I feel MGS3 and 4 are my personal favorite games of all time and are masterpieces in their own way. PERSONALLY, I feel MGS3 is the greatest story in anything with 4 despite the retconning 4 does at times, something about it just makes me absolutely love it. It is a fantastic finale. Witcher 2 is a great game, but Witcher 3 is the masterpiece in the series. Although the first game is decent, it hasn't aged well at all, but in comparison MGS1 still plays great. Witcher 2 and definitely Witcher 3 are fantastic games with 3 setting a standard in it's genre, which by the way, is quite different from MGS. And I love Witcher 3 and 2. Played through 2 twice and 3 hundreds of hours.

[@pazdavis12]

Always wanted to play this game as a kid but the ps3 was sooo expensive back then finally playing it now this scene hits different when you're older

[@godhandforps2]

Im gonna repeat this whenever I drop in fortnite

[@M0rinkashi]

I found this from a video parodying the monologue, so if you wanna repeat this one instead, be my guest. _"Fortnite, has changed..."_ "It's no longer about your loadout, your backbling, or what skin(outfit) you use-" "-it's an endless series of bot lobbies, fought by defaults(recruits) and 12 year olds." "Fortnite and it's consumption of V-bucks has become a well-oiled machine." _"Fortnite, has changed..."_ "Battle pass owners wear their Peter Griffin skins(outfits), Flying in on their Petercopters." "Cosmetics on their loadout enhance and regulate their abilities." "Character Lockers, Emote Lockers, Wrap Lockers-" "Everything is monitored and separated in the locker." _"Fortnite, has changed..."_ "The age of building has become the age of Zero Build." "All in the name of averting rage quits from turbo sweats." "And he who controls the game, controls history." _"Fortnite, has changed..."_ "When the island is under total control." _"Fortnite; becomes routine."_

[@jamesbrand9761]

Wont ever forget sitting down with my brother 10 years ago and watching this intro

[@caiocouto3450]

there are only two types of guy: war has changed(metal gear) and war never changes(fallout)

[@JackRiden2.0]

I,m from Ukraine 🇺🇦 and war continue 10 month and when begins winter in our country every day turn off power electricity after air striking, and night's and evenings we spend with candles and wait when power electricity turn on, you never understand how awesome when electricity turn on, and every for Ukrainian war becomes routine 2:57 Yes Snake you are absolutely right ! Hideo Kojima absolutely correct show the war in MGS 4 ! But in our war stil one "mighty country" made this conflict because think that all her property, remember dude which read this comment doesn't matter have you liberals, LGBT, BLM stuff in your country like USA or England, remember that all absolutely crap with compare with war, war it's when young peoples goes in that hell callings war because one crazy guy which have rule and air rockets, wanted destroy all nation from the face of the earth ! Peace sky you in over head ! Україна обожнює Metal Gear Solid та ігри Хідео Коджіми і так Коджіма геній !

[@AverageUsernames]

He means that war is now fueled by money and greed and has changed endless proxies war just like ukraine.

[@JackRiden2.0]

@@AverageUsernames Yeah, you right, oil and gas stuff, this do russians they wanted have influence energy monopoly in Europe

[@Denis-ex6hx]

​@@JackRiden2.0 thing is, both West and Russia wanted to use resources in Ukraine (Biden in Burisma and whole civil war is indicator), however it is not a problem of simply Ukraine, but for countries in the Middle East as well (US guarding oil fields for Syrian rebels as current example). Ukraine right now is the beginning of World War III, not because of Western countries support it, but because it is a threat for dollar based World Order. Current monetary system is built on the demand for dollars in order to purchase resources, which allows USA to inject infinite amount of dollars in the system and fund shaping of the world in the image which suits elites. This allowed USA to create "New brave world" order which relies on dopamine control of the society, while East due to the lack of infinite money supply has "1984" authoritarian order which relies on police control of the society. USA can't allow petrodollar decline to happen because it will ruin capability of USA for dopamine control. While East can't keep fighting against own population forever as USA can buy anyone in order to destroy threats to the world order.

[@Layde36]

Imagine westerners comparing a western propagandized fictional game to what happening in their own lives, it's mind boggling for us foreigners to believe that westerners are this gullible about the world irl and using ideologies as a way to believe anything they want

[@alcatraz1514]

this intro hits hard when ur a gamer, but it hits harder when you see this intro a week before ur sent back to the war irl...

[@Dukefazon]

It's still so jaw dropping when the camera just focuses on Snake and the HUD just fades in. "Now you're in control" (until you crawl under the truck, now it's another cutscene)

[@fishlord7776]

darkvorgan is now online

[@old_liquid]

what is this even mean

[@stateofopportunity1286]

Hideo tried to warn us all...

[@SplicerYT]

I remember writing this word for a word back in school for an English assignment about anti war. Teacher had no clue an I passed 😆

[@tucolalo8251]

cringe

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

Sounds like the US and it’s involvement in Afghanistan in a nutshell

[@s-kazi940]

Also Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Panama, and many more.

[@emersonpage5384]

@@s-kazi940 Nicaragua

[@s-kazi940]

@@emersonpage5384 The list is endless.

[@emersonpage5384]

@@s-kazi940 very true

[@wsaucey1866]

Russia too

[@jjehuty7706]

War, has changed... War, war never changes...

[@L44tsmasher]

+BloodyRainbowCheese War does change and does not at the same time, in the end, a war is a sensless mean of destrucion that could be solved with simplistic ideaoligies

[@mitch5387]

War is one of the basic foundations of human evolution. Hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times.

[@zahr501st8]

Naked Patriot he was making a refrence to the fallout games where they have that speach

[@kaybevang536]

War is a way for nature to stop rapidly growing populations

[@wtfcheesenips2098]

The death and destruction of war never changes. But the technology used does change. That’s what snake was talking about. Dumbass.

[@mauriciosanta8291]

Hideo, el mundo de hoy no es tan diferente a esto que nos planteas. PMC, drones.....En el fondo, nos preparabas para esto.

[@yourmomshouse6984]

This blew my mind as a kid lol

[@imdoomerbutimokay2471]

FallOut4: War... War never changes Snake: War has changed

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

I feel like the "Sustainable war" in the recent GitS is a reference to this.

[@HolyknightVader999]

This is what pissed Steven Armstrong off to the point where he started harvesting kid-brains to make the mother of all omelettes.

[@selph8278]

WE LIVE IN AN AI FUTURE

[@iwachiten8056]

thanks to whoever uploaded this 11 years ago

[@masterfan0]

Kojima predicted the future. This is happening right now, mass control... It's just the beginning though

[@myrpatroll]

This wasn't his first

[@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine]

More relevant than ever.

[@gogogomes7025]

Nanomachines fans: 🤓🤓🤓 Genome Soldiers enjoyer: 🗿

[@Shredder.gaming87]

Mgs series, uncharted series and max Payne series are probably the best 3rd person shooters ever in my opinion they all have amazing story, dialogue and gameplay

[@KBzaz]

This was a fantastic movie.

[@thehunterator520]

wow, jacksepticeye did a very good impression of snake with a slight irish twist

[@thedopepineapple9917]

Idc what everyone said about MGS4, this is prolly my favourite interactive movie of all time. The first two acts start off really strong than Europe ruins the pacing quite a bit that it struggles to recover than bam! Shadow Moses brings it back up than outer heaven keeps/raises the momentum until the final boss fight where it's prolly the best way to end a franchise. Imo no other game has done it quite like MGS4 and I don't think any game ever will. This is how you end a franchise on a high note!

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

I love how you called it an interactive movie, because that is more or less what it is, thats why I love it so much.

[@valentinobambino6728]

Man! I love voice actors. Playing mgs1, 2 and 3 back in the day, I thought 4 was going to be another fun adventure (I mean, I am aware of the seriousness of the franchise but lets be real mgs has wacky moments) but after listening to that first "war" by Mr. David Hayter, you knew you were in for a ride. (My inner voice sounds like Snake btw)