[MHS2] Highest DPS Monstie Build

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[@MomongaMH]

Tidus on a roll with that Stories 2 content! Congrats on 10k my man, keep up the great work

[@LyonOlivier69]

Thanks man!

[@heartsickokra9384]

If ya swap the thunder speed gene with the thunder power gene in the corner, then swap the dragon speed and the fire power genes, you could have an extra speed bingo, if I'm visualizing this correctly. I only saw this because I was trying to optimize this build for ultra voltage instead because aesthetics matter more to me at this point. Gotta respect the rule of cool! :p I really like the build(or else I wouldn't put this much energy into it) and I like how in depth you get when explaining how it functions and where the numbers are coming from.

[@LyonOlivier69]

Oh yea tha'ts correct, a mistake on my part. Since this build revolves around spamming Vengeful Thunder I didn't pay attention too much to the rest lol. I made the build after like 4-5 hours of crunching numbers to make sure this was correct ahah sorry for the mistake. Thanks for the recommendation!

[@ocioun9297]

ooooh, alway assumed those "low hp", even the ones that don't specific the % where all from 50% and less, if its right from the moment you lose just 1hp it makes it so much valuable also do you know if it's true dancer has the attack/defense boost always active, and only the speed buff is tied to full hp?

[@LyonOlivier69]

Uhhh I am not sure about dancer, I would assume you have to be at full hp to receive the entire buff but I haven’t done any test so I can’t say for sure! Sorry!

[@nemesis6057]

I made a regen tank Nergigante, could you maybe do a video on that to compare and explain how the recovery stat works? It's not very clear in game.

[@LyonOlivier69]

Sure, I have not looked into recovery at all yet, but I can look into it!

[@Clavitz1]

@@LyonOlivier69 dont blame you for not. I have Self Heal(XL) rank 3 and Nergigante and it only heals 40hp a turn which is laughable. Sure it stacks but I think Divine Protection XL would be better suited for survivability

[@Clavitz1]

I think this is a good place to ask. When you're hatching an egg for your Base Monstie you're building, do you care about the +3/2/1 Values to Health, Attack, Defense and Weakness added randomly? I personally try to but I'm wondering if i'm wasting my time with any bonus or maybe aiming for Attack and another matching modifier :/

[@zephyrdelight3411]

SICK!

[@Spin0saure]

Salut ! Je suis super content d’être tombé par hasard sur cette chaîne, qui plus est tenue par un français ! 🇫🇷 Ça fait plaisir de voir un compatriote dans le min/maxing sur ce jeu, je pense que c’est une espèce rare ! 🥲 Tes vidéos sont extras continue comme ça 👍🏻

[@LyonOlivier69]

Merci l’ami, j’espère que tu arrives à comprendre ce que je dis même avec l’accent français ahah

[@Spin0saure]

@@LyonOlivier69 Dans l’ensemble c’est compréhensible ! Pas évident de faire des vidéos en anglais haha tu te débrouilles très bien je trouve

[@Zero-ro3uu]

kind of a dumb question, but on lets say an ice monster wich weak point isn't thunder, would vengeful thunder or vengeful ice move do more damage with that 30% attack difference?

[@LyonOlivier69]

I wouldn’t use vengeful thunder on a non thunder mons, so if you want to use an ice mons I would use the ice drill even though it’s not as good as vengeful thunder!

[@jemdhar4603]

hey tidus, i love youre content and somehow youre the only one i found so far who actuslly knows what hes talking about and talk math i roughly understood the smg formula now, but would you mind making a vid which explains it in detail and with several real examples which are pretty common for example what i still dont understand how do stimulants+ ele boost work, additive on top like other skills or is it concidered as atk stat which gets multiplied by the active buffs what about cheer, do buffs stack, what about whetstones, can you stack pump up + pink rathian skill yada yada i mean i kinda figuered out the meta but still didnt understood it :p also whar about the skill dmges of the hunter is sns always better then gs how does a double attack get calculated and so on i would be glad if you could either show us youre datamining friends or just make a vid of it :p

[@LyonOlivier69]

Hey! I don’t know if an in depth video on calculating dmg would interest a lot of people since it’s going very much in depth but if you have specific questions you can add me on discoed I’ll be happy to answer them. It’ll be easier than in youtube comments. Tidus69#8885

[@raynegallaher7661]

I find it kinda funny how everyone calls it DPS when this is a turn based game

[@LyonOlivier69]

Yea should be saying DPR but it's just a habit from other games

[@shiny619]

In my astalos video I talked about this very slightly im glad I ain't the only one to figure this out

[@LyonOlivier69]

You beat me to the punch ahah

[@roddeguzman9958]

Have you tried this in spires of trials? Howd it fair against multiple high hitting monsters?

[@LyonOlivier69]

Not yet but I’m planning on it this weekend. Maybe I’ll stream it!

[@Sushirollmania]

does the crit gene increases the crit rate additively or multiplicative, cuz I thought it was supposed to be multiplicative according to one evidence I saw

[@LyonOlivier69]

It’s additive. I think I know what you are referring to and that person now agrees it’s additive

[@rholla44]

Bro yo data fire keep it up

[@polluxlau]

Thank you for sharing this build. May I know why is your Rajang dealing two damages when you use vengeful thunder while my Boatreaver Astalos only deal one damage when I use vengeful thunder? Thank you.

[@LyonOlivier69]

That’s a rajang thing, his animation deals 2 dmg on most attaxks. It’s the same damage though, just split in 2. Some other attacks are thé same, for exemple, thousand blades on most monster will be multi hit, but on some it will be single hit

[@polluxlau]

Thank you for your prompt reply. I look forward to seeing more contents on your channel. Keep up the good work!!

[@pocketjedi6675]

not related to the vid Tidus but wud u say that sacrficing a 10% type bingo on a build is worthy if its in order to put a good gene ? sometimes im like "10% bingo isnt that crazy anyways", idk if know what i mean but keep comin the good work anyways !

[@LyonOlivier69]

Yes absolutely. Skills > bingos. The efficiency of bingos will wildly depend on your setup but to give you an idea on this build in the video, a 10% bingo is worth around 3% dmg. So if it’s for a skill like crit eye xl or something important it’s totally worth

[@pocketjedi6675]

@@LyonOlivier69 its always a blast to read ur answers and thx for bein always reactive ! thx again for this quick and precise answer !

[@criomede9536]

This is very similar to the Nargacuga build you showed in the Critical System video (also with Heroics, Vigilance, Critical Eye and Pump Up). Back then, you said you wouldn't really recommend that build. Is the build here superior just because of Vengeful Thunder?

[@LyonOlivier69]

Yes. I didn't really recommend it back then because heroics build aren't very practical. However the difference in average damage between this and a "classic" heroic build like the one I showed last time is very substantial since it involves multiples additional multipliers. To give an idea, the other build had an average damage of around 2700 damage, while this one is around 4000. It's nowhere close in damage as the previous build. Obviously it's an heroics build, so you have to be ok with the playstyle, but if you are it's much more dmg that the last one

[@criomede9536]

@@LyonOlivier69 Nice. Thanks for the explanation. I'll definitely try this build out once I get a Rajang (I don't think we'll be getting any more new Thunder Monsties from the roadmap IIRC). Got lucky and recently obtained Critical XL + Critical Kinship XL talisman from the Melynx and I'm excited to try out your Monstie/Rider builds in the other videos as well. Keep up the good work.

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@criomede9536 Sounds good, and that's a nice charm you got lucky! Thanks!

[@R7AWSUM]

Now, you've covered damage builds, but what about tanks? Is there any merit to having an undying/support monster in pve? I'm thinking of trying a challenge playthrough where I can't lose a heart or I have to start over, so im curious. Extra points for things that are early or mid game.

[@LyonOlivier69]

Hey! Someone else suggested to look into recovery and support skills so I might do that but I haven’t looked into it yet at all so no promises! Your challenge playthrough sounds fun though good luck with it!

[@R7AWSUM]

@@LyonOlivier69 thanks. My money is on the support/tank builds not being very efficient. Games like this tend to lean fairly heavily on their damage metas. Hope you prove me wrong though cause I hate dying way more than I love big numbers.

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@R7AWSUM if I look into tanks I’ll probably still try to fit in some dmg. Prob gonna have to look at each defensive/support skills and find out the best ones then see how they can be used. I’ll look into it in a few days!

[@GoToBedSheeva]

Amazing! Keep up the good work!

[@chrisclement-may9404]

Such good content man, instant sub!, easily best in-depth vids on mhs2. (Silly question, did you source these stats or is this from your own testing? Would love a link to these stats if possible). Anyway, really appreciate your work, super helpful! 10k 🎉

[@LyonOlivier69]

The vast majority is datamined, but the damage threshold for vengeful thunder and the bonus wasn’t. But I’ve spent enough time experiencing and learning the damage calc that I’m pretty confident in those numbers. Ive ran it in every situation possible with/without buffs, on multiple monsters etc, and the results were always accurate! For datamines i use this site: hyperwiki.jp/mhs2/

[@chrisclement-may9404]

@@LyonOlivier69 Thanks! This is exactly what I've been searching for.

[@ThatGuy-rh4uu]

My guy!!!

[@Senko_The_Fox]

Does pump up and thunderlord buff gene stack?

[@LyonOlivier69]

I assume you mean thunderclad. If so, yes they do. But it’s non recommended to stack them because you lose too many rounds buffing

[@Senko_The_Fox]

@@LyonOlivier69 Could this skill be used in any way to boost the damage any further?

[@romzinmarty7001]

Salut merci pour ce build juste insane ! Petite question comment ton rajang crit autant ?

[@LyonOlivier69]

Vigilance est 25% a low health, crit xl 16%, rajang a 6% crit chance de base, donc en tout c’est 47% de crit chance ce qui est pas mal. Dans quelques clip j’avais le buff de crit chance avec le hunting horn, ce qui donne 62%

[@lucariviani5816]

10.000🥳

[@LyonOlivier69]

🎉🥳

[@chrisclement-may9404]

Just realised, vengeful ice drill works the same as this (alternative for the same build with ice)

[@LyonOlivier69]

I mention it at the end, it’s a good move but the bonus is a lot smaller, it adds around 20% instead of 50%

[@stitch532]

Salut a toi Tidus, tout d'abord merci pour tes vidéos et d'ailleurs j'en profite pour m'abonner, j'avais juste une question l'application que tu utilise est-elle exclusive a l'app Store ou en existe t'il une pour Android car j'ai beau chercher je ne trouve pas ?!

[@LyonOlivier69]

Malheureusement c’est juste sur Ios que je sache… désolé l’ami! Et merci pour le commentaire!

[@stitch532]

@@LyonOlivier69 je t'en pris avec plaisir 😁

[@Filtiarin]

Ofcourse its rajang haha

[@LyonOlivier69]

Always lol

[@conorb.1901]

I was using this on my Boltreaver and was blown away by how much damage it did to a thunder resistant monster. I definitely don't have an optimal build (for one I'm using azure voltage instead of pump up because I like Boltreaver's blue charge), but this attack is really strong

[@LyonOlivier69]

Yea it’s insanely strong. I think we all knew it was, but understanding how it works and stack is amazing. It’s crazy how strong it is even on thunder resistant monsters

[@damienprince3694]

I think pump up still gives you that blue charge.

[@conorb.1901]

@@damienprince3694 no, it doesn't. It has to be a thunder attack boost specifically. Same goes for fire and something like Teostra's flame aura or Stygian Zinogre's charge or ice armor on the monsters that have it. Water and non element will chafe their appearance if they have one (Mizutsune and BB Diablos will look enraged for example), but pump up doesn't give that cosmetic effect to monsties of other elements.

[@conorb.1901]

@@damienprince3694 apologies if I came off as rude (or maybe it's that it sounds rude to me? I don't know). Pump up is in the same category as cheer (but obviously way bigger) as a generic attack boost. For some monsters that's enough to go into their enraged state like Tigrex with the glowing veins or Nerg with his spikes, but others like Zinogre require that specific element buff in order to change their appearance, and unfortunately Boltreaver is the same way.

[@damienprince3694]

@@conorb.1901 Nah, you're good dude. Lol I used it on my Bloodbath Diablos and it gave him that seething rage look in his eyes when he's enraged so I assumed it worked the same with other monsters that have a special animations when buffed.

[@Cest_moiiiiii]

En vrai t'es français non 😂 ? Mais merci pour le taff extrêmement utile que tu fournis sur ce jeu 😁

[@LyonOlivier69]

Lol je peux pas cacher l’accent 😁 merci!

[@Cest_moiiiiii]

@@LyonOlivier69 mais en vrai, vraiment merci, moi et mon frère ça nous aide trop, le système des calculs des degars des buffs etc...cest pas facile a apprehender et tu l'expliques d'une manière très clair, de manières consignes avec des exemples etc... et cest grave cool de ta part de le partager ici, ducoup continue le travail que tu fournis c'est trop cool et très utile, puisque cest l'aspect le plus intéressant du jeu 😁 Reste à savoir maintenant si tu feras pareil pour le PvP, est ce prévu que tu t'y attaques un jour 😁 ?

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@Cest_moiiiiii ahah merci je suis content que ce soit utile pour vous deux. J’ai pas l’intention de toucher le pvp ça m’intéresse pas tellement pour ce jeu malheureusement… désolé ahah

[@kehakusuzumiya1473]

Isnt the boltreaver buff better atleast in the first 2 rounds? cause of that extra boost in atk o:

[@LyonOlivier69]

Thé double buff is actually only for 1 turn cause the game counts the first buffing turn during the cast. And even then the part where you get the second buff isn’t the same as pump up so it wouldn’t get multiplier by vengeful. You’d still probably do same or a bit more dmg on that 1 turn but significantly less for the following 3

[@kehakusuzumiya1473]

@@LyonOlivier69 okay fair woulb be op otherwise i mean moderate defense aswell and with pump up you loose a lot in defense xD

[@chrisclement-may9404]

I was curious too. That's actually really helpful to know, thank you

[@kehakusuzumiya1473]

but i dont think that, that buff lasts just for 1 round atleast my dmg tells me otherwise 2 rounds i deal close to double the damage and after that it is reduced not for just 1 round

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@kehakusuzumiya1473 no but I mean the double buff is just 1 round. Then the other smaller buff is 3 other rounds

[@raskitampati3558]

Omgg

[@Valluros]

wow this build is identical to mine, good to know i'm not crazy and i did something worthwhile, thanks for the much more accurate calculations than mine.

[@LyonOlivier69]

Ahah good job for coming up with it, it’s a strong build!