Michael Fagan Asks The Queen to Take Measures | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Tom Brooke)

[@montyolive123]

"They say I have mental health problems. I don't, I'm just poor." WHEW what a line...

[@petersumner7367]

Spot on.

[@Juls673]

Lmao he was mentally ill he was diagnosed with schizophrenia 😂

[@jaydunstan1618]

@@montyolive123 Typical Irishman.

[@thebernice6062]

It's also fictional. Michael Fagan confirmed he was in the middle of a mental breakdown spurred on by his personal troubles. He said he didn't even remember if he saw her.

[@DUCKDUCKGOISMUCHBETTER]

"...and I'm an insufferably entitled, government dependent, whining Socialist."

[@DaveFisher-cq2dr]

2:05 by that moment when Queen Elizabeth sits down I guess it's obvious she realizes that that man may not be dangerous, that he really means her no harm

[@jaydunstan1618]

He was an Irish drunk - who should have been tried for high treason - a disgrace!

[@ADRENALINEXTREME]

Not what happened in real life He went there to kill himself in front of her

[@davidvilmin3457]

The maid could have at least left the tea before she went out, lol 😂

[@jaydunstan1618]

@davidvilmin3457 As an Iriahman he would have wanted pints of ale.

[@daniel_sc1024]

In reality, he entered her bedroom ay 7:15 am and woke her up (unintentionally), and she fled the room immediately. She phoned the palace switchboard for police, but none arrived. She summoned a maid in the corridor and sent her to get security. The footman on duty (who had been walking her dogs) arrived, followed by two policemen who removed Fagan. At no time did the Queen and Fagan converse.

[@twosunies]

Okay. This is fiction anyway, so does it really matter?

[@daniel_sc1024]

@@twosunies Unfortunately, too many people take biopics like this as fact. And, why invent something that didn't happen? Why not present it just as it did?

[@nokaton]

@@daniel_sc1024 It's called a story telling. After all, the Crown is a drama not a documentary. The intruder is just a plot device based on the real event to tell the story. The narrative here is to show that the working class people is not happy with Thatcher, but the Queen can't intervene the politics to help or not help them for whatever reason.

[@Merlin4193]

​@@daniel_sc1024Because its a drama and drama needs...drama..duuhh

[@mkoury83]

how have you substantiated this version? not that it sounds implausible, but I've had little to no luck finding any detailed information regarding the intrusion.

[@majestical15]

1:24-1:34 I might be looking into this a bit too deeply, but I love how the lighting, or lack of it, drowns Michael Fagan and makes him a silhouette. Replace him with anyone else that lived during Thatcherism, and they can all (or most) can agree with him.

[@laurenthomas9305]

You're definitely not looking too hard. All media aesthetic decisions like that (and especially like that) are intentional and with purpose. The lighting here is meant to carry as much of story as anything else in this scene. They did it well, I think.

[@majestical15]

@laurenthomas9305 agreed. I was captivated by the fictional conversation.

[@marishaten7399]

I don’t think historical accuracy is very important in this case. I mean, this isn't exactly a documentary. They used Fagan to propel the story about certain dark sides of the Thatcher government, and did a pretty good job, imo.

[@airdriver]

This episode reminded me of how hard times were for a lot of people. Not just in The Uk but in North America. Especially in the industrial Midwest where millions lost their jobs, homes, families. Myths of the so called “Reagan Recovery” were just that: Myths. Myths about “Welfare Queens and “You got laid off because it was “YOUR FAULT. I was just out of high school and the only job I could find was washing dishes in restaurants. At one of those jobs, one of the cooks had a masters degree in chemical engineering. And he was a line cook. It was rough for me but I was living with my parents and had a roof over my head, clothes on my back and food in my stomach. A lot of people didn’t. The 1980s, especially the early 80s, was a very cruel time for a lot of people.

[@TheFioda]

thanks to Jimmy Carter..

[@airdriver]

The economy got bad under Carter. It was the results of the Iranian Revolution and The Hostage Crisis. Iran stopped selling us oil and the economy went into a tailspin. It got worse under Reagan but by then he had cut off extended unemployment insurance, job retraining and a lot assistance that the unemployed needed to survive. And it wasn’t just them too lazy to get jobs. There were no jobs to find. Like I said, it was a very nasty time to be holding a mortgage, car loan or have a family.

[@MysticCrossroads]

@@TheFioda Except you can actually trace almost every major issue we have today back to Regan. The huge wealth gap and the dismantling of a strong working middle class: him, housing deregulation: Regan, Poor investment in American Infrastructure and the environment: All Regan. Reaganomics worked in the short term, but we have since learned - on every front, its does more harm than good in the long run because the wealthy don't share. Dismantling of unions and workers rights: all Regan. And let's not even get into his hate of the LGBTQ+ community, letting them just die out - giving an entire generation of people trauma watching their loved ones die. Oh he also must have really hated our military the way he gutted their healthcare. Unfortunately Clinton and and Bush doubled down on a lot of these policies. Obama got a little done with Healthcare but used up most of his political capital in his first term and thanks to Mitch had his hands tied during his second. And then Trump rolled back as much as he could before he had no choice but to help people due to COVID. BUt hey, he finished what Regan started and got rid of Roe Vs. Wade. Also, his housing policies are why the majority of Americans are paying 30% or more of their income just to put a roof under their head and that there is not a single county in a single state in this country where a single person can work a minimum wage and afford a one bedroom apartment on their own.

[@elasmotherium12]

Cope

[@TheFioda]

@@MysticCrossroads you know, you were right: you really have a good chance as a stand up comedian

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

Ohh you cut the best part: "is it lovely? "not really.."

[@terri348]

At least she heard what he had to say. It made her aware of what was going on and Thatcher DID lose her PM position.

[@monicad99]

maybe thatcher lost her position, but the queen had nothing to do with that. basically, she listened to him, yes, but did nothing about it.

[@jjwwqq]

She “lost her position” 8 years later, in 1990. And this conversation never happened. Just more leftist screenwriting.

[@Insanepie]

@@monicad99 she didn't talk to him she ran out of the room and got the guards

[@daniel_sc1024]

Only in TV fantasy land. In reality, they never spoke.

[@juanchoresultay2704]

but that was several years later but it was a different case

[@lynndenault4212]

Imaginary conversation

[@oscarfun100]

You don't say! An imginary conversation in a fictionalized series. Shocking!

[@eddytriana8060]

daaaaaaaah it's a tv show.

[@thomasdalton1508]

Neither of them provided a transcript, so obviously the script writers had to use their imagination. Fagan has claimed since this episode aired that the Queen left the room immediately, but the reports at the time were broadly consistent with this portrayal.

[@sylvia0851]

I love this conversation. It didnt happen like this, but I love how they made him speak for anyone then and now, who got into trouble because of bad politics and then had to deal with so much issues and being told you have got mental health problems. As if its your fault. No you, the state created a mess, you broke my back that used to be strong. Dont blame me for your mess that I have to deal with.

[@rrickarr]

Why didn´t she ask him if he wanted tea from the begining? On a more serious note, he really does sum up the heartlessness of Thatcher.

[@l.a.3479]

*beginning

[@BarbaraMelanson-e4y]

The queen should have asked for another cup and don't say anything about his being there.

[@johnfinbarr1160]

Listen Thatcher is nothing like the force of the Neo Liberalist nutters who have been enforcing their madness on us for the last 14 years or so. Even Margaret Thatcher would consider this bunch of loonies to be completely out of step.

[@juanchoresultay2704]

but according to the real fagan, this wasn’t really about thatcher. This scene was quite fictionalized and the truth was that he just went therm to harm himself infront of the royals

[@juanchoresultay2704]

The thing is in reality, he never came there to talk about thatcher

[@johndaarteest]

Fagan used to drink in the Coronet pub on the Holloway Road, don;t know if he still does.

[@Helga7850]

He is more intelligent than Thatcher ever was. And his speech is much more politically meaningful than Thatcher's babbling against socialism.

[@vestel777]

Even though I’ve never seen this Series I think this scene was the best I’ve seen. The reason why is because a Guy actually breaks into Buckingham Palace I assume just to have an audience with the Queen and asking Her personally for help. I personally think the scene would have been a lot better if whenever He went to sit down and started talking about Margaret Thatcher if He would have stood up and then went to His knees right in front of the Queen and slowly grabbed Her hand and talked to Her the way He was already talking to Her and then begged Her for Her help. And I would have asked Her for a favor as long as He was already there talking to Her. The favor would have been : Asking Her to meet the people (Her subjects) once a month to see where She could at least help them out where She could.

[@bittired7159]

A quick reminder folks this is fiction with real peoples names

[@Helga7850]

But the historical even still stand. A man was so desperate that he broke into the palace to explain the Queen how disastrous the dismantling of the social state was.

[@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv]

I'M RAGING THAT A FICTIONALISED DRAMA LOOSELY BASED ON REAL EVENTS WOULD SHOW STUFF THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY OCCUR!!!

[@thomasdalton1508]

This did occur...

[@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv]

@@thomasdalton1508 If by "occur" you mean the actual conversation that takes place in the actual dramatisation that follows the actual script the actors learn, then yes, it did occur within THAT CONTEXT. However, in real life THIS CONVERSATION DID NOT HAPPEN. Jesus Christ, Brian, do you ever think you might be the reason wars start?!!!!!!!!

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv There is no transcript of their conversation, so the script writers have filled in the blanks from their own imagination (as they have for pretty much every conversation in the show), but the basic event did happen. In reality, the Queen sounded an alarm and made two phone calls six minutes apart asking for the police before going and finding the maid. They then took Fagan into a nearby pantry by offering him a cigarette and waited there for the police. The TV show simplifies the whole thing a little. It isn't supposed to be exact. It's accurate enough, though.

[@harryturner8701]

All complete bollocks He had no such agenda

[@robertisham5279]

Is it true in real life he never talked to the Queen?

[@Myne1001]

@@robertisham5279 Mark Fagan has given two different version of events as to what happened when he broke in. The Queen never said anything, like usual. In both his accounts he never once spoke about Margaret Thatcher or the government.

[@mayaflici374]

Oh please. This is a fictional tv show 🙄🙄🙄

[@harryturner8701]

@@mayaflici374 if it’s supposed to be a fictional TV show, why doesn’t the queen get but naked and ride around on a horse that fires lasers out of its eyes singing Oops I did it again?

[@srrlIdl]

@@harryturner8701 The conversation depicted in this scene serves the show's narrative purposes. While the show is based on real events and people, it is not bound to strict historical accuracy. Instead, it aims to capture the essence of the period and the characters’ experiences. The show's goal is to strike a balance-it uses real events as a framework while allowing for dramatized interactions and dialogue to deepen the narrative. Your example of the Queen riding a laser-eyed horse wouldn't serve the show's narrative purposes, and would break the balance between fiction and reality.

[@lizaluk]

Democracy has good circuit-breaker that is timed helps to defend an economy from tyranny by any polytheist and illiterate indeed.

[@GullibleTarget]

Walder Frey

[@deniseboldea1624]

What ever became of this fellow?

[@walkerhaw5468]

He went 6 years in a mental institution.

[@deniseboldea1624]

@@walkerhaw5468 Thank you. I hope he received the help he needed.

[@vulpes7079]

Went on to lead a pretty successful life fortunately enough. Seems to be a monarchist through and through Oh and I believe he's still alive. I wonder if he said anything about the Queen's passing

[@DaveFisher-cq2dr]

@@vulpes7079 well I heard he lit a candle in some church for the Queen after he heard that she died

[@DaveFisher-cq2dr]

@@walkerhaw5468 no he didn't, he only spent 3 months in a psychiatric hospital, and in 1997 he was imprisoned for 4 years after he, his wife and their 2-year-old son Arran were charged with conspiring to supply heroin

[@stavrosgiannaros7041]

Diana was the personal to talk to. Not the queen

[@Seek1878]

diana couldn't do squat lol, why would he talk to her? Also no way would diana have been this calm.

[@walkerhaw5468]

When you live in a complete meritocracy sometimes for people to be true winners we also have true losers.

[@Joe-gf6vn]

You're literally watching a clip from The Crown, of someone born into privilege. But somehow it reminds you of complete meritocracy. The irony.

[@walkerhaw5468]

@@Joe-gf6vn The Thatcher administration is the closest administration or regime created to a complete meritocracy. Thatcher gutted funding for the royal family as well as politicians salaries.

[@walkerhaw5468]

@@Joe-gf6vn The Thatcher administration made meritocracy possible.

[@duckyj7241]

meritocracy is a fable those born on second base tell themselves to avoid the issue of those who never had a chance to step to the plate.

[@orcanimal]

Yeah, in reality she hightailed it out of there ASAP, not stay and have a talk to promote socialist propaganda...

[@ChrisMusson-kv8ph]

This whole season was nothing but liberal propaganda.

[@dan_38]

What exactly would've made it not? Showing how the wealthy grew even wealthier, how more jobs were replaced with machines? At this point, it looks tacky and weird to push toxic conservative values on a generation that lived through some of the worst errors of greed imaginable, when the best thing that people enjoy of the royals is them doing their jobs quietly and not overindulge themselves

[@GTK4217]

Poor people suffering = liberal propaganda Cry harder