Michael Malice: Anarchy, Democracy, Libertarianism, Love, and Trolling | Lex Fridman Podcast

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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
4:07 - Putin and the Russian soul
11:10 - Love and trolling
21:40 - Problem with government
27:12 - Anarchism
49:16 - Politics
51:08 - Are most people capable of thinking deeply?
58:17 - Willy Wonka and Albert Camus view of life
1:04:16 - Trolling
1:08:35 - Conspiracy theories
1:25:52 - Donald Trump and the Election
1:33:06 - Trump Biden presidential debates
1:37:24 - Journalism is broken
1:44:04 - Communism
1:50:11 - Presidential candidates
2:00:42 - Libertarian party
2:11:04 - Objectivism
2:20:26 - Trolling
2:31:30 - The New Right
2:39:38 - Cancel culture
3:09:25 - Book recommendations
3:14:17 - Fear of mortality
3:17:17 - Meaning of life
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - SEMrush: www.semrush.com/partner/lex/ to get a free month of Guru - DoorDash: doordash.com/ and use code LEX to get $5 off - MasterClass: masterclass.com/lex to get 15% off annual sub 4:07 - Putin and the Russian soul 11:10 - Love and trolling 21:40 - Problem with government 27:12 - Anarchism 49:16 - Politics 51:08 - Are most people capable of thinking deeply? 58:17 - Willy Wonka and Albert Camus view of life 1:04:16 - Trolling 1:08:35 - Conspiracy theories 1:25:52 - Donald Trump and the Election 1:33:06 - Trump Biden presidential debates 1:37:24 - Journalism is broken 1:44:04 - Communism 1:50:11 - Presidential candidates 2:00:42 - Libertarian party 2:11:04 - Objectivism 2:20:26 - Trolling 2:31:30 - The New Right 2:39:38 - Cancel culture 3:09:25 - Book recommendations 3:14:17 - Fear of mortality 3:17:17 - Meaning of life

[@SFbayArea94121]

Lex you’re a boss. As someone who works nights I can definitely relate. Your content speaks for itself

[@maxfelson9467]

may i recommend talking to jimmy dore lex ? might not be the best fit but i think it might be interesting

[@ralphvandereb66]

only 25 mins into this pod cast, thank you so much bringing michael malice to our attention, the man is bang on the money, finally a sane human being, very rare these days, onto the rest now..)) wow 37 min am blown away, ps grew up bilingual now speak 4 fluently. ah ¨do what thou wilt¨ alistair crowley.

[@stormbreak13]

In regards to their "rules at the pool" analogy.. Who owns the pool? Who sets the rules? Who ENFORCES the rules? What about the land around the pool? What if someone decides to draft a conflicting set of rules? What agency are people who disagree with the rules, left with to shape the system in a manner they deem to be more agreeable?

[@wesomek]

I'm only 30 mins in and so I might have to edit this, but the issue of anarchism comes from the inability to stop groups from foruming. Any Anarchist community must be individual and as soon as a group of people start to develop rules and laws around their community you start to develop an overarching structure known as government. Weak people group up to stop the strong from using their power against them and this group always makes rules for staying or being disenfranchised. Therefore Anarchy only exist as an idea and as the temporary when there is nothing else. When groups of people come together and make rules for their community it becomes a government. I think a structure or system can be made which keeps the powers that be off the wheel. That's why you have three branches of government and the power of the government is supposed to be balanced between three different groups. There are many issues with this one being that because laws are so hard to pass you get into a government that only two forces exist so that your laws can be passed vs the others laws not be passed. Which has lead to a dysfunction of the system overall. Also laws being striped back that do no pertain to modern issues is another problem. No one has the ability to look back and take laws out that have no functionally or worst case dysfunction in the system of modern governance. So we slowly make laws and sometimes the next administration strips the previous laws away but eventually over 200 years it will become over bloated without any real ability to take away all the laws or a real function of government to administer review of those law which have become void do to the era its in. Ok obviously this was recorded before the debate, but can you believe it was that bad? like not even in the realm of decent that these guys wish it were, but just an awful mess in which everyone including the moderator is embarrassed.

[@stanleysello]

"The problem with democracy is that those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them" - Michael Malice This is probably going to give me nightmares.

[@benoto1014]

Aristotle new

[@nesne2167]

@@benoto1014 Aristotle old?

[@Thisisahandle701]

Okay Michael, what's your solution to this age old question, aside from pithy soundbites? The master of knocking down the Jenga tower, let's see him come up with a better design.

[@jamesbnorman1]

@@Thisisahandle701 He did, you did not listen to him is the problem.

[@vestol2867]

Josh Wallace But why do we assume competent people don’t need or want leaders? There are many competent people like Lex who would benefit from some sort of teacher, mentor, or leader. I’m starting to think this podcast series is more just about showing us a window of Lex’s journey of learning about life from all of these wise men/women in fields inside and outside AI research. Maybe I’m thinking of leader as teacher/mentor too much in this sense.

[@botep5529]

Listening to Michael makes me realize I dont read enough books.

[@adrians5875]

yeah..

[@vib2119]

yep I think I'm gonna start

[@chriscarter4563]

@@vib2119 dont say I think I'm going to. Drop the think.

[@vib2119]

@@chriscarter4563 aye aye Yoda, o7 :) I'm gonna start! (Well I already did,a few months ago, but why not reinforce that drive)

[@laudmonroe1030]

Listening to Lex makes me realize he’s the most boring Podcaster out there.

[@treybarnette5719]

I really think these two should have a regular show together. They have great chemistry and perspective and balance each other out very well. Great conversation.

[@albertlevins9191]

He took your advice. He has had Malice on a few times since this one.

[@eeeriebrilliance]

I think Lex and Packman should team up.

[@char63r517]

Really? Most of what I heard from Lex is that he doesn't have adequate knowlege, knows little on the topic, will have to read up on it to the point , or he would regurgitate some tripe the media tried to sell us that were self evident lies the moment they were broadcast.

[@KermodeBear]

Michael Malice is such a fantastic guest. Educational, enlightening, entertaining, he hits it out of the park every single time.

[@motivationforbreakfast]

"Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit. " You gotta admire the wit!

[@motivationforbreakfast]

And being the type 2 person slash surfer made my day! 😊

[@rosscampbell1173]

Progressives drive 100 mph looking in the rear view mirror.

[@Docoloco123]

@@rosscampbell1173 except their car DOES have the GPS and actual destination.

[@Docoloco123]

@Mr. H I was just making an analogy that the Democrats at least have a destination and desire to get there

[@id8333]

Proto Noah desire maybe, but direction no, path to hell was paved with good intentions

[@coolstuffin5]

26:55 Michael Malice: "...this lock down gave some very nefarious people some very valid data about how much people will put up with under pressures from the state."

[@u1337ochka]

But, in our times, how stable could this data be? We all suffered quite a blow this year, the society could respond quite differently another time

[@henrylicious]

@@u1337ochka One could hope?

[@ivan_says_hi]

@@TheReferrer72 the cattle will miss the farmer controlling them. We are not all cattle though. Some people would rather die than go back to the farm.

[@TheAurians]

Just adding some two-cents here that this also gave a lot of really smart people ideas of how to combat state or governmental pressure that are already in design or development. This is a like a data security game between developers and antagonists. This information comes open ended and all of us, whether or not we're actively building counter-measures, are in the game. I believe our current case in 2019/2020 shows that we've made significant progress (compared to the last 10,000 or so years of human organization) in our abilities ("our" I guess is the proletariat in this case) within this game, but there are a number of vulnerabilities that must be patched to avoid tipping the scales to those "nefarious" actors.

[@mrfrosty3]

@@TheReferrer72 press and social media are under control or at least complicit. Consider post election with a Democrat win and a press that never reports negatively on them.

[@jimmyolsenblues]

i wish i had friends like this in real life. i miss sitting around talking nicely over dinner and drinks with intelligent thoughtful people.

[@advaithbala3087]

just think of your friends as dogs and treat them nicely and enjoy their company

[@objektform6573]

Welcome to the internet. You have that now

[@dandare1001]

@@advaithbala3087 I'm not sure how to take that, but I find it funny.

[@prajnabala]

It's definitely a Russian thing. Add vodka.

[@remnantoftheeye5580]

Do you think these people are intelligent or thoughtful?

[@cour2knee]

Ommmmmmg! I loooove Lex on Malice! 😂 Lex is such a sweetheart- Michael is too. I love the two batting concepts/ideas around.

[@rakeshmohanty2053]

Michael is pretty good at putting forth his argument. The way he is able to express his logic is remarkable. I enjoyed this talk.

[@chicoktc]

it always feels to me like it's rehearsed, but I don't think it is. he just really knows what he wants to say. he does practice by having a podcast and a lot of public conversations, but damn this guy can very very quickly give an answer to a question he was asked without even flinching

[@matterbob5x]

@@chicoktc It's not rehearsed. Michael is a very sharp man.

[@shilohsanders5475]

@@chicoktc he actually addresses that pretty often when someone says “that’s a good rehearsed line, but say something original.” He’ll come back with “ that is a huge compliment because I am actually speaking impromptu, and if I seem so polished that you think I rehearsed, that says great things about my speaking ability”

[@chicoktc]

@@shilohsanders5475 even that response sounds rehearsed haha. But I know it's not I'm a big fan, I watch everything he puts out, and he is like that about any topic any day. So yeah, it's a super skill he has

[@jbc242424]

Arguing for libertarianism is actually quite easy.

[@pe79]

Oh my god. I never could have expected this. I am excessively excited to witness this strange and wonderful intersection that could only be made manifest in 2020. Keep surprising us Lex, your podcast is becoming one of the best that there is.

[@pe79]

Alec Chapin I would not be surprised.

[@Monotheist137]

It is the best podcast.

[@keithremedy]

Alec Chapin he wouldn’t surpass Rogan but he definitely is my favorite besides Rogan.

[@thadfreebourn5138]

Well said! Humans, 1st AI, CY, cya not a Lex way!

[@SubTactHiphop]

Lex man your a gift to humanity.

[@TheSteppenwolf77]

Putin trolled Erdogan too by keeping him and his representatives waiting in a room with a statue of Catherine the Great who defeated the Ottomans in 1768-74 and 1787-92.

[@BarrySoetoro2]

Awesome! ... Putin the intellectual troll. Love it

[@aatim2308]

Some people never get mature enough. The bad things happen when they become state leaders.

[@igor984]

But Erdogan doesnt know that probably

[@jalijali8448]

@@igor984 Oh god, he'd know. He's the touchiest President worldwide

[@AngryAlfonse]

@@aaronolds2899 our species is bound to self destruction. The universe is bound to die. The least you can do is set your subjective morality aside and let people have a chuckle, Aaron.

[@jkctx9232]

I wouldn't answer my own door, let alone anyone else's.

[@patrickcompton1483]

depends on what time period and neighborhood you live in.

[@Cinnabuns2009]

Yeah, totally agree. I feel like Mr. Malice's initial comment there is more a generalization of all Americans based on a caste difference between him and the gentleman he's referring to and less on a Russian/American difference.

[@Rogerkonijntje]

Also, if you think your door asks questions, you got bigger problems ;)

[@TheDNAGroup]

Texas Bredren, I thought the same thing-- I thought I'd ease into the backroom where I can't be heard.

[@deengew]

I at first thought thats what he was talking about. Def agree.

[@patricksuwala4090]

I always knew Lex was a good guy with great intentions for humanity and always tries to look at the positive side of humanity...but Michael showed me how naive he really is. Great episode.

[@Killerbee_McTitties]

@@JaneDoe-hk9kj care to elaborate?

[@Killerbee_McTitties]

@@JaneDoe-hk9kj an average Joe is beyond redemption as long as he remains an average Joe and refuses to, as Kant sad, have the courage to use his own reason. As long as he refuses to do so he doesn't just hurt himself but everyone else too and especially those that do use their own reason. Therefore he is my enemy because he supports the structures that oppress me.

[@mikegolfi]

@@Killerbee_McTitties Totaly agree on that. The hard truth is that they function as sub humans , meaning that humans , real humans , are capable of the courage of their own reason . We need a final solution to uplift mankind and bring in the utopia. Either sterilize them of gas 'em i say. See what i did there? Who are you clowns that divide mankind in worthy and unworthy , clever and dum ? Enemies and allies? Is that anarchism? Who are you to say a human being is beyond redemption? What ,? You float above us bathed in holy light? What if i find you , in my own beliefs and measurements beyond redemption? Then what? I guess it doesnt apply to you and yours cause u r a special kind of butterfly right? You clowns must be the only strawberries in a field of cucumbers right? Thats not a new proposal , thats old as fucking history. Thats a high castle mike namesaysall malice is sitting on , advocating division and elitisism , and he calls himself anarchist? More like "let me tell you stupid fucks what is good for you" , kind of enlighted contradictory bullshit. Drawing lines is easy as breathing man. We need a vision of unity not division and hatred. But thats difficult stuff right? Fuck the , love the other human and see past his imperfections and respect him , bring in the average joes for redicule and scapegoating. Lets build our utopia in division , cruel hearts , hatred and cynisism and huge egos for we r the chosen ones because we read books and can talk well. Peasants and common folk dont know whats good for them anyway , even if you spelled it cause they r fucking illiterate. Am I right m' Lord? Never done that before in history. It might actually work ...... Malice is nothing more than the courts jester in the digtal landscape , with a huge ego that feeds on stomping-trolling others to give relief to his inferior complex. My opinion at least , and beacause i too read books and am capable of free thinking and self will and control i can say according to mike whatever the fuck i like.

[@solsticemoon1220]

@@mikegolfi he never said we need to get rid of them to arrive at a better place, he simply said those kinds of people are not worth discussing and arguing his ideas with, because they cannot think for themselves, they have become automatons of the status quo. Never did he say they are unworthy human beings?

[@mikegolfi]

@@solsticemoon1220 Dear , an automaton is not human , in the sense of the meaning that we impose on the word , so actually i was rather soft wasnt I, with the "unworthy *human* beings" , wouldnt you say? And in all my argument , is that what got you? Dont defend that position , as an advice , cause its from stupid to lethally dangerous. I can justify both ends of the spectrum but lets skip on the essay and lets leave it to your mind and choice.

[@igy648]

Okay. I began watching this thinking I couldn't stand Michael and found myself agreeing with him over and over. Damn. Glad I kept my brain open.

[@benoneill5550]

Lex if you’re reading this I want to tell you that you’re awesome and I love your outlook/way of thinking, especially on bigger things like the meaning of life etc. Thank you for all that you do man

[@bm.5175]

I love you on some level for commenting something positive

[@briangranger1741]

@@bm.5175 and I love you on some level for commenting something positive on a comment of something positive ;)

[@TrillWillI]

After lex talked about his comments on Joe organs podcast I definitely want to make a habit of commenting something positive. Even though Joe Rogan told him not to look at the comments I feel like seeing positive comments on your videos pushes you to try even harder on your content. Love y’all.

[@coolstuffin5]

Lesson learned: get a good night's sleep before you invite Michael Malice on your podcast.

[@joshuamills3917]

metalshredmetal1 can you cite an example?

[@vincentlucic4004]

@metalshredmetal1 “next time just listen with a critical ear” may be one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read. You should attempt to hear, with those ears, the words which are streaming out of your own mouth.

[@andresrubio5649]

1:53:13 is probably one of my favorite moments on your podcast. “Yeah, okay. cool…” I felt that.

[@GregorySpikeMD]

The "yeah cool" part where both of them are genuinely amused is simply fantastic

[@ddylla85]

"Not my monkeys, not my circus." Lived by this for years now.

[@dianavargas9902]

@@JaneDoe-hk9kj elaborate if you will…

[@tylerness7826]

not my chair not my problem thats what i always say

[@demun6065]

@@dianavargas9902 he's making a statement about how state-warfare is inevitable.

[@chewie1355]

After hearing Mr. Malice explain it, I now understand what it means. Very true statement

[@coyotesayswhat]

Choose carefully what rules to follow.

[@Pandamonium626]

Michael: "I want to destroy society. That is the goal." Lex.exe has stopped working

[@advaithbala3087]

1:01:38

[@slemire58]

Awesome comment...but you have to be a geek to understand it!

[@situationnormal6729]

I read this & my brain heard the WindowsXP error sound

[@jcmoney11111]

@@slemire58 or use operating systems in the 90s when you needed to see the file type often.

[@slemire58]

@@jcmoney11111 HAHAAH Memories!

[@rogerwelsh2335]

“Those who need leaders are not qualified to pick them” I never heard this before but I love it!!!

[@Ataraxia1]

Im loving this bit where you are debating what ants experience hahahaha "no they dont!!"

[@jeffdarlison9676]

I have attempted to meditate many times in my life and prior to this CD the only success I've experienced is with live guided meditation. kzbin.infoUgkxzpa8CIfZcihW4Z0F_ja0QF3W9KIatrsq This is the first CD I've used that cuts through my unmedicated ADHD and enables me to truly relax and experience a quiet and energizing interval. The instructors voice is very soothing and pleasant to listen to. I am easily able to sit successfully through the entire CD, and for quite some time after. I cannot adequately express how tremendously helpful this CD has been on my spiritual journey!! Two thumbs up and 10 stars!

[@JoeLeasure]

We definitely need a part 2 with Malice where Lex has a full night's sleep. Still a great discussion.

[@owenbenjaminshapiro6285]

Here we go!

[@botep5529]

I'm from the future and I can tell you it happens and it's amazing

[@yourstruly6093]

Honestly we need as many parts as Lex will allow. Malice has a great mind.

[@RichardBronosky]

You got your wish!

[@dpcsoup04]

You’re in luck, there’s 4 now.

[@samsue2924]

I've been wondering why Malice hasn't been on JRE of late. Thanks for having him on.

[@KrissNR2]

i can't stop smiling while watching this ep. love this conversation and breakdown and trying to understanding , love this bromance .

[@aow1423]

Michael Malice is one of the only people online who I've come across who has made me question my beliefs. Every time I hear him and understand more about his point of view I move closer and closer to that same view myself.

[@Spr0cter]

"Self imposed deadline" is a strategic way of saying "I decided to stay up all night".

[@Cuyt24]

He's very intelligent. He should know that sleep deprivation is extremely harmful to your health. It can take weeks to recover from an all nighter.

[@mkdir1490]

@@Cuyt24 Needed to hear this, thanks man

[@stephenadams2397]

Title should read: When Russian Superman meets Ukrainian Batman

[@patrickdabson3650]

Ukraine? You mean, second Russia?

[@stephenadams2397]

@@sandybayes Who said anything about Trump? Projection much?

[@stephenadams2397]

@@sandybayes "I am a Gorllia". Alex is harmless. He's just your crazy, tin foil hat wearing, Uncle. Funny and harmless and actually quite loveable. If you follow Lex then you know he's all about that love .... bzzzzt.... 1001010101. It might be worth watching him with Micheal or Joe Rogan. See the real man behind the boogyman scares. He's not the boogyman people make him out to be.

[@user-uv3li8tk4r]

@@sandybayes I think you might have a screw loose lady. Who mentioned trump? He’s not even president anymore and yet you’re still complaining lmao

[@tfunkman]

🤌

[@kellyhoffmann1]

This was one of the best podcasts to which I have ever listened. Some really profound ideas being expressed here. Thanks, Lex. You’re the man.

[@clitatits6653]

I love how at 32:00 that lex is able to admit when he's wrong and not have his pride get in the way. Shows he's a smart man who is willing to have his mind change and open to new ideas.

[@JK360noscope]

You might have identified a trend contrary to your life experience...

[@stevenbaas4011]

You love it? For me it is common

[@dandare1001]

Lex wasn't wrong though. He was (I think) about to postulate that there is a need for authority in some cases, for instance an expert is a form of authority that we mostly agree to listening to. A doctor will tell you what's best for you, as should a lawyer. You usually bow down to this authority. It was a train of thought that Michael anticipated, so didn't let him finish. He sometimes shoots his mouth off with quick soundbites, erm, like a politician. I bet Lex was kicking himself, afterwards, for letting Michael bully him. Lex isn't stupid, he just might not think so quickly, sometimes, or is too kind to disagree and create conflict.

[@QHYPEZFIFAGAMEPLAY7]

He was wrong this whole video. N i like lex

[@damnbruh7612]

I think this is the best podcast I've ever seen. I agree with Malice on some things, and with Lex on others, and sometimes I agree with neither. That's why conversations like these are so important, two people who disagree on things but don't respect each other any less because of it. I also think Lex is making me less cynical. I didn't think that was possible.

[@humanresources3811]

I'm an American, and would never even think of opening the door while at a friend's house or apartment under any circumstances, just like wouldn't answer their phone or open their fridge.

[@jilliankitchell1960]

I would open the fridge 🤣

[@D3athangel1]

I agree and I’m not sure if I know anyone who would. Like this, I feel like Michael made many large generalizing and inaccurate brushstrokes as presuppositions that flawed downstream arguments.

[@BlueisNotaWarmColour]

My girlfriend literally calls people that do that Fridge-Openers

[@skmky01]

Just watched this on YT and I’m fascinated. I need more people like Lex and Michael in my life. I’ve noticed there are subsequent conversation between them and I can’t wait to hear their views considering all that’s happened since.

[@sandrawoodworth8391]

Your gentle innocent courage makes me love you. I would never hear from so much of the thinking in our world without your amazing interviews of persons so far from my reality.

[@chrischoiniere1406]

That was a cool thought Michael described about growing up speaking multiple languages and thinking in concepts instead of words.

[@LGoodfellow1]

This is the first Lex Fridman video I have ever watched, I'm embarrased to admit I've never heard of him. I really enjoy his perspective on things, and his willingness to try to understand how and why Michael Malice thinks the way he does, and his genuine confusion when he hears about something that he finds to be odd or curious really demonstrates to me what a pure soul he is. I look forward to seeing more of Lex's videos, and am now subscribing to his channel.

[@user-qw2dt8yw2h]

He works hard to be pure. Glad you noticed. Enjoy!

[@jackcojisan]

Liam Francis Goodfellow check out Joscha Bach!!! (On this channel)

[@lilfr4nkie]

JackCojiSan I’m not sure if they’re ready for Joscha!! Perhaps some Richard Dawkins or Penrose for starters and gradually move to the Kellis’, wolfram’s & Bach’s! Although there is many great significances in each episode, Joscha Bach is like Gods’ ontologist for all epistemologies.

[@cleanlee193]

Enjoy the vast libary of vods I would start with his Elon Musk pod casts.

[@pseudonymous8702]

Nice try, Lex

[@CH-ze6by]

Lex, "The Four Agreements," don't take anything personally. You're appreciated, your openness and talk of love are refreshing.

[@chobblegobbler2536]

Been listening to Lex all day and he definitely is an inspiration. Amazing listener.

[@ajaxx3]

1 hour into it and my mind is already blowing every 10 mins. There is so much alternate narrative to all the common concepts we know. Thank you Lex for this podcast.

[@jamesbanks2611]

This podcast is what a debate should sound like. Much respect gentleman

[@nicosmind3]

It wasnt a debate but an inquiry

[@colmocuinneagain3580]

A debate is an argument between two opposing sides that are not willing to change their minds, with a winner and loser decided at the end. This is a discussion between two perspectives with the goal of learning, not winning. A debate is a debate, a discussion is a discussion.

[@Joeniermancollectionco]

@@robertblake1228 Apparently it already is....

[@rtdmna]

I'm being Pentateuch but it's important! Love it, my new favourite person to listen to!

[@mvmlego1212]

Even though research and teaching are conceptually distinct, I think that having professors (and advanced students) participate in research keeps them at the top of their game. It serves as demonstrable proof that they know what they're talking about, and that they're at the cutting edge of their field.

[@C_CREATURE_]

Wow my two favorite soviets talking to eachother, what a time to be alive

[@tonywhite68]

Lex, I lover your interviews but this has to be one of the best. Sure, Malice can be a bit abrasive, but you have to actually listen to & understand what he’s saying and then it’s beautiful. You did a masterful job, especially given your lack of sleep. Loved it!

[@SaxScotaWarDog]

Lex, your videos with Michael Malice are, in my opinion some of the best content on KZbin and the Internet period! The dialog is next level and some of the most intellectual content I've ever encountered!

[@EricaTernak]

Wow 3:06 the candid nature of Lex is so endearing. I was just visciously attacked online by someone and it completely brought back being bullied in middle and early high school to the point of being suicidal. the ostracism and hatred was so intense I internalized it and became depressed for hours.

[@5AXISDLOCKHART]

Winner: Most intelligent comedy duo 2020. Such a fun interview.

[@Orlopzi]

Lex's reaction to "tits or gtfo" is the best thing I've seen in months. Freakin hilarious. Then, "You're probably a figment of maigation, I'm probably not having this podcast." But for real, this might be my favorite episode of the Lex Podcast so far. I don't fully agree with either of you politically, but this confluence of perspectives is exactly what the podcast medium was meant for. So much LOVE from BOTH of you, and sending it back. Thank you.

[@UnlockingYourEnergy]

Malice did a shit job explaining it tho. Which tells us he really doesn't understand chan culture. Before understanding tits or gtfo, you need to understand "there are no women on the Internet". In life women get treated well. The reason for that is tits. On the Internet the tits are not on display like in irl. Therefore there are no women on the Internet. On the same note, there are no men on the Internet either. If there were people would be a lot more polite like in irl for fear of getting their ass kicked. No women or men on the Internet. Rather the Internet is genderless. With this in mind, when a girl shows up on Chans starting the post with "as a woman" expecting it to get her extra privilege, as it does irl, the only logical next step would be for all the other anons to demand..... Tits. Or GTFO.

[@tonywhite68]

I had to listen to that 4 times before I knew what was going on and I was laughing the whole time. @unlocking your energy - thanks much for that explanation

[@deepset]

Lex I doubt you will see this but thank you so much for all that you are and the platform you provide. It's a real joy to watch the future unfold with all you good folks.

[@mattsalvage8339]

Michael just made me rethink society and politics. Cool dude!

[@kbrar]

I think Lex is unintentionally gunning for Rogan's spot in the online Culture.

[@johnchristopher3032]

He too smart for mass appeal.

[@crappycigar9665]

He's a lot less dogmatic

[@neologian1783]

Lex elevates what I, at first, thought was most interesting about Joe Rogan.....which is to say Rogan's natural curiosity and willingness to sit down and discuss interesting topics with interesting people in a long format that affords the guest an opportunity to unpack their ideas. Rogan is really good at this. Lex is next level. Perhaps more importantly, Lex gives a much stronger impression of wanting to understand what the guest thinks, and thus provide the audience with a better understanding of what the guest thinks. Rogan is a smart guy who's interested in a wide variety of topics but his talent rests in juxtaposing what Rogan thinks against what the guest is articulating. Lex's superpower is an apparent genuine desire to get the guest to fully articulate what they think. Where Rogan pits himself against the guests ideas, Lex pits his lack of understanding against the guests ideas and generally only inserts "himself" to help the guest understand the potential limitations of a lay audience.

[@mikemironov7551]

Honestly I prefer Lex. The depths of conversation he have with his guests are unattainable with Joe.

[@lilyvonshtuup]

They’re very different animals. LF is too smart to have such mass appeal. The mouth breathers would struggle to get through a LF podcast. But there is certainly space for him to grow this (no pun intended) & I am enjoying watching the Calibre of guests and his numbers rise. It restores my faith in humanity.

[@hoviksmail]

I'm also a refugee from the USSR, grew up around LA, you should check out a book called "The Naked Communist" by Cleon Skousen. He warned about Marxist infiltration of America back in 1950's. There's so much good information in that book, he names names, organizations. It should be a must read for everyone.

[@kingkoi6542]

Other good ones are Crime and Punishment, and the Idiot!

[@AlI-zk6em]

When I heard the sleepy voice of the host opening his podcast for the first time, I did not expect much from it at all. However, they both create such a sparkling mixture of personalities making the whole dialogue worth listening to. Спасибо, дорогие товарищи! И так мило было слышать русскую речь с американским акцентом...

[@lnc-to4ku]

He's always very interesting to listen to, definitely has a vast amount of knowledge, but I definitely appreciate your kind of intelligence, Lex!! Great episode! Thank you for all you give to your podcast, and therefore, all of your fans! And, I just cannot imagine anyone attacking Lex's character?? Michael's advice to him on that subject was great!

[@Mokinono45]

Malice is still a top representative for anarchy. Never seen anyone stop him at all.

[@BorisCosier]

Just because someone is unstoppable does'nt make them top of anything other than the game they are playing. I like Malice, but he is an extreme extrovert that is intelligent with hints of " ruler technique with a smirk" (trollish behavour that is somewhat disrespectfull). He is very hard to controll by anyone. That is dangerous with the wrong ideas.

[@SaturnVII]

he's a joker and he's an intelligent smart ass. Ultimately anarchy doesn't work because somebody wants power and the state is a compromise on that unfortunate fact of mankind. Unfortunately, that's hard to tell someone nicely. Anarchists can be anarchists all they want until someone who makes their vote heard (by force) wrangles them up. Power abhors vacuums. Even if they don't make an official 'state' there will be some sort of power structure, probably a cartel. Maybe it'll evolve OPE they made the state again lol.

[@Panaceamedia]

@@SaturnVII Cartels exist because laws exist. Plenty of anarchist communities have existed and thrived until GOVERNMENT comes to stop them from living peacefully. The government exists because they take money from the people without consent. People stop paying taxes, government runs out of money and ceases to exist, no one would work for a cartels when there are safer options and don't need protection from the government. Humans are naturally peaceful. That we are not is propaganda to control us and make us fear each other. We become corrupted by being taught to fear/hate/retreat from confusion and by having our consent removed from us. For humanity to evolve, I see only two options: Anarchy, or a form of government where each individual has a say or can have someone speak on their behalf and can remove their consent at any time. This would of course require the abolition of Federal governments (via simply businesses and individuals no longer paying taxes) and would have to start from neighborhoods and grow from there. (Ex: Neighborhood A has 3 different people speaking for those in their neighborhood, Neighborhood B has 4, 5 of these 7 consent to one of them represented them for the a larger neighborhood coalition, the other 2 pick another rep, so 2 people are now going to represent both neighborhoods. Keep going from there. No consent is removed. Every single person has something they agreed to speak for them and can remove consent at any time. The more we stop making excuses to take people's consent, the more trusting people will become and the less "grey area" situations would occur. It's just the math of the consciousness.)

[@SaturnVII]

@@Panaceamedia OK, whatever. I already said that anarchists can behave all they want until someone else comes to wrangle them all up. The relationship to the state is one of force, is this even up for debate? Humans may be peaceful by nature but they're also pretty damn disagreeable too and if everyone's off doing their own thing, then nobody's doing anything. And regardless of whether your perfect anarchist system works, it is an evaporating system that will be absorbed by government powers of any variety that see the need to. I'm a laissez faire guy when it comes to philosophy but I also really don't have this patience for "oh wah the government makes me stop squatting" like yeah, duh. And that's all if in your system you don't just make a de facto state at some point.

[@Panaceamedia]

@@SaturnVII I did not think my commented warranted a "whatever." I'd have preferred an "okay boomer." Anyhow, we've been brainwashed for millennia that a system based on a foundation of force is necessary to build a society. This is false and will be our demise. If you make excuses why it's okay to remove consent from one group/person (or by proxy), someone will make an excuse why it is okay to take it from you. People are disagreeable after they've been punished for approaching confusion with curiosity and when their consent has been removed. The less this happens, the more effectively and peacefully people will work together. You are going in the wrong direction if you are still defend, or resigning, to societies built on a foundation of force. Kids see parents making excuses and go all in on acting hypocritical and thus the cycle continues.

[@ellisargamer9248]

2:33:15 I laughed so hard at Lex's response to this my face hurts. Michael is one of my new favorite people, dude is quick witty and intelligent.

[@edwardwong654]

Michael is great to listen to. And he's a fellow alumni at Stuy.

[@hobbyist518]

31:15 begins a good back-and-forth about definition switching and multilingualism. And of course, it starts with the great quote: "The problem with democracy is that those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them."

[@gotseoul01]

Michael set a super fast pace in wit and cynicism which sharply contrasted a more measured approach from Lex. The conversation was priceless.

[@MissChievousRN]

Yes!! It's not that Lex is "out of his league" as many have mistaken, it's the quiet measured approach Lex has that really does lend a dynamic to the conversation that brings out the best in both. I think many are missing the subtleties and stoic wit peppered throughout. The shared culture allowed Malice to shine in ways not seen in other interviews. Definitely up for a part 2!

[@nolandderlugner1351]

this has to be the best podcast ive seen, i never heard someone have a world view like him and found it reaaallly intressting, definitly learned something and would love to hear more about anarchy

[@johancena2258]

Check out Part of The Problem with Dave Smith. He got me originally by being so fckin rock solid on foreign policy.

[@albreal]

Read the fountain head by ann rand. That's where he gets his philosophy from.

[@Saddamuel]

​@@albreal isn't she the vampire novels lady?

[@hugomaritz692]

@@albreal please don't read any ayn rand she's a terrible writer. I think her philosophy is solid as far as it goes but she can't breathe life into a character at all, they're just vehicles for her ideas with seemingly no internal contradictions. If you wanna see somebody successfully bring philosophy into fiction without ruining the theme or even making it about something clear, I truly recommend Cormac McCarthy. Especially the border trilogy. He's an American treasure imo.

[@hugomaritz692]

@@Saddamuel lolz

[@alfaivre2990]

I give Lex so much credit for this discussion and part 2. Malice is so insidious and so calculating at moments and so light and abstract at others, it makes him very difficult to wrestle with. But I love that you had someone on specifically to challenge your ideas and to challenge his. I really do give you all the credit in the world and respect you a lot for this. I think it's a very intellectually brave thing to do to sit down and debate somethings with someone who can so eloquently talk about tearing down the structures of society. 👍

[@huxleigh2873]

55:00 The critical difference between Lex running 5 miles and the CVS cashier baffled by $11 when both have aversion to their obstacles is that Lex possesses a willingness to experience discomfort. Cashier is certainly capable of endeavoring the mind puzzle but is not willing to (or perhaps has never been empowered to) sit with discomfort for the sake of attaining a greater high than comfort.

[@jacobhelgeson3038]

“Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them” Love it!

[@christophermirkovich7290]

Blux totally opened up on the second interview thank God I was getting worried with this one

[@albertgysels6293]

Did Michael Malice vote?

[@jacobhelgeson3038]

Albert Gysels If your asking a serious question, the answer is no he doesn’t vote. If your being cheeky well then kudos to you sir 😬

[@dandare1001]

It's not a wholly true statement, despite it being amusing and superficially true-sounding. I vote for someone who is competent at their job. I don't necessarily want to do the job myself, so I realise that I need somebody competent to do it for me. If everyone did everything for themselves, it would be so inefficient. Little would get done. that's why we have organisations and governments (in theory, and mainly in practice). Many people don't really know what is best for them or their country, so that part of it is true, but to say it as a sweeping statement for all people is the height of stupidity. He should choose a leader, otherwise he is admitting that he's also too stupid to. Therefore, why listen to his opinion? He does seem a fun and interesting person to talk to, though.

[@MA_KA_PA_TIE]

No. People are qualified to pick who governs them. That is what democracy is built on.

[@iyintosoluwami]

"Mechanisms for social control are outsourced to low quality people.." woah. That just clicked.

[@toddmank45]

Yup. Wow

[@linkinlinkinlinkin654]

its probably because politics is messy, irrational and a very open system. If determined decisions could be guaranteed to have fixed outcomes (more or less) in politics, more and more intelligent people would take part in it. All these geniuses and prodigies don't venture into politics not because its difficult (they generally love difficult problems), its just because the solutions are inelegant unlike science and mathematics. The few who have, have created solutions that are ingrained in more rational software worlds (satoshi, vitalik)

[@FreeKanal]

Love Micheal and Lex together. Those jokes are the most intelligent one :D Love from Poland !

[@danielmserapin]

Listened to Malice the last year he had his show on Compound Media "Night Shade" (ended last year) and the past few months I've been watching his show on GaS Digital "Your Welcome" the past few months... Today in my KZbin suggestions the episode right before this (Joe Rogan) popped up, so i watched it... now i'm watching this and now am subscribed to this channel, good podcast so far....

[@r.d.9332]

Great to finally see the brothers Karamazov on a podcast together!

[@peterburns4586]

Malice is Ivan and lex is lebyadkin?

[@robertsmith4474]

Lex was force fed and overdosed on red pills. I don't agree with Mr. Malice's solutions but he is spot on with his observations. Good show.

[@lotterydiscounts4326]

Lex is based and bluepilled

[@manolisko8881]

Maybe if the ideas on autonomy were fused with a less centralized concept of governance. Small communities, connected somehow. But still all have to agree on some minimum rules.

[@Smithistory]

@@manolisko8881 almost like a constitutional republic, where a small central government does all the national stuff with other nations and where the regional governments, say states, handle everything else?

[@manolisko8881]

@@Smithistory Exactly. I think decentralization is the key. Look at Switzerland's cantons, where a large portion of decisions are taken through local referenda.

[@Smithistory]

@@manolisko8881 I'm not sure if you are picking up on my irony, but that is exactly how the US was designed in the Constitution, but over time the federal government has absorbed more and more government power.

[@petereffin4373]

Thank you so much for an excellent presentation.

[@lnc-to4ku]

I wonder just how many books Michael has read? It's impressive!

[@christopherlamanna2501]

You guys had me going back and forth on this one causing me to understand my own beliefs better..good work 👌

[@onetruecaesar99]

"So... you attribute that to your Russian upbringing, has opposed to you having deep psychological issues?"

[@Thisisahandle701]

I like 'tired Lex', he's way more straight to the point.

[@Kirkwoodclay]

🤣🤣🤣 the yeah, cool just made me laugh so effing hard. That whole interaction between you two is hilarious.

[@Serasen3]

@2:49:00 lol I find you both to be amazing individuals whose conversations are hilarious and thought provoking. Thank you so much for having these talks and sharing them with us.

[@CraigHollabaugh]

Rogan and Malice in the same week? Bravo my good man, bravo!

[@BarackObamaJedi]

1:01:50 "I still think that mockery can be destructive to society" "I want to destroy society" Lmaoo

[@Christopher-md7tf]

@greenapplepear Exactly. He sounds like a freshman in college despite being 44 years old.

[@Hibernial]

Malice is great at trolling. When it comes to people’s kneejerk insistence on propping up or defending their idea of society-that’s really what Malice is mocking. Your view of something that is so subjective and interpretive is something set up to be easily mocked, particularly if there’s an insistence where just because one can hold an opinion of how they think the world and those in a population should behave still doesn’t exactly measure up with reality in the fact that those same people are ignorant of how much of the world works outside their own limited and personal experiences. Corporations getting readily criticized, yet for broad reasons rather than particular reasons, is a great example of this. Hierarchies built up by competence are always naturally occurring. That doesn’t mean one can’t criticize on a legal end of things how corporations are viewed as having individual legal personhood by governments. Yet many people don’t neatly inspect or divide respective details with distinction given subject matters of scope. As far as corporations and political corporatism, many people would regard such a thing as familiar. That’s easy grounds for harboring contempt, or at least discontentment. If that’s the one motivating factor one goes by to drive forward a point of view built upon a lack of ideological consistency, than that’s a certain measure of incompetency. If many, many people are operating that way in their mental framework of observation while interacting with the rest of everyone around them, then what assessment is their to be made about society as a topical point of discussion? It’s clearly not valued in the same way from person to person, even at shorthand. And that said, it kind of dampers the humor to say as much. Quick witted thought isn’t really meant to be spoiled.

[@raimonestanol8234]

@greenapplepear to me sounds like he wants to destroy the structure we have now to put something better in its place. I guess he just assumes people will understand he doesn't want to damage humanity in any way

[@monicaangelini3324]

@greenapplepear YES!!! And a bit too proud of "his" century old ideas. Good observation points, good teases and concepts to think about yet he dodged questions when it would shed light on a contradiction. Good show though

[@lukelucy1980]

Lex, I so enjoy you at all levels. You are an Amazing Human. Thank You for your ongoing honesty and bringing so many useful thoughts to the general population.

[@robstevenson6432]

Around 8:00, when Michael talks about interpersonal dealings -- that isn't an American/Russian thing, it's a personality thing. I pretty much behave the same way Michael does in that regard and I'm not Russian.

[@ZeroCartin]

Lex, I love the fact that you mention you pulled an all nighter and that it might impact on your performance. Thank you for the hard work!

[@samk6170]

Man, Lex is so straightforward and honest. I love that about him.

[@TheodoreKhachaturian]

"Your concept of a peaceful society is a society built on oppression and not allowing people to live with personal freedom." Malice is an artist with words.

[@GregorKropotkin-qu2hp]

Anarchy in the USA, lots of guns, lots of crazies-what could possibly go wrong?

[@hingeslevers]

He is good with words, but it sometimes comes off as quippy. I feel like I'm missing a lot of meat in his arguments.

[@notchoome5694]

Or a magician.

[@zackglickert4495]

He almost sounded a little bit marxist for a second lol

[@ohdude6643]

or illusionist

[@digitalvalhalla5995]

@32:40 Equivocation: It's a great word and a powerful concept to have a handle on. Thanks as always to you and your guest for showing the world that thoughtful intelligent conversation can work. From one descendent of Kulaks to (perhaps) another.

[@jackwilliams3343]

These conversations are so riveting and enlightening for me . thanks for sharing this for everyone .I read Ayn Rand fountainhead after atlas shrugged and agree .

[@ianblumberg9171]

so refreshing to hear someone engage with solid arguments for anarchism

[@dandare1001]

I didn't hear any solid arguements.

[@independentinstallations8419]

@@dandare1001 Well it seams all forms of government eventually end in tyranny. The constitutional Republic was meant to limit governments power and prevent democracy from becoming majority /mob rule. The individual inalienable rights being the key focus whereas the traditional democracy puts equality first which is unrealistic. Anarchy wouldn't exist if governments hadn't always become hijacked by corruption. The larger the government becomes the more powerful and corrupt it becomes leaving the citizens in a sense incapable of upholding their duty of overthrowing a corrupt government when things such as elections can no longer remove the corrupt individuals. Anarchy is basically the absence of large governments and in a healthier society people are quite capable of respecting each others rights and understanding if they choose not to they won't have the system to protect them from the consequences of their actions. Regardless of the government society can function with the basic understanding of individual human rights. If nothing else at the point when the illusion of the American democracy destroys itself Anarchy is where we will be

[@swingset1969]

The comments on Chris Wallace being a good moderator didn't age well, but otherwise great conversation.

He was better than the ones I saw in '16. Back then it was "no holds barred". Wallace at least tried to stop the speakers from interrupting each other.

[@8.5.edibles]

He was working with a 78 year old with dementia and a 74 year old toddler What did u really expect

[@Saddamuel]

@ No holds barred is fine. Siding with one candidate is not fine. Failing to ask challenging questions or press equally is not fine.

[@karljonson3287]

He is good but noone could've stoped what happened.

[@johnsanchez6836]

He was definitely biased towards biden. No doubt about it

[@yaqov]

37:30 Language is the embodiment of Anarchy - I love it!

[@V5869]

That Malice way of thinking is a great thing, but his ability to communicate it in an efficient way is awesome!!!

[@thecommentsection9877]

Holy shit this was a good podcast.... first time listener....

[@elementfayt]

Thank you for being reasonable this time Comment Section. Appreciate you!

[@kyleborton1527]

Same! I stumbled upon it through being a michael malice fan and I absolutely loved it, will definitely be checking out more of Lex's podcasts

[@rzawistowski33]

You should see lex when he's rested, he was a bit off this podcast

[@calfborg]

I can’t get enough of Michael Malice right now. He’s a genuinely interesting thinker who speaks with conviction and relishes in dissent. It’s great to see him in a 3+ hour conversation with someone like Lex who takes his guests seriously.

[@calfborg]

Aaron Olds To find one interesting doesn’t require agreement with their ideas. Michael also isn’t saying that people de-socialize.

[@tomayto70]

You can tell how warped the mind of statist is by the fact that they think socialization means forcing millions of people to follow the dictates of a ruling class.

[@michaelflowers5712]

"Does anyone know you're here?" "There's that wit!" Sleep deprived and You got him at the end! Good one Lex!!

[@jebidiahnewkedkracker1801]

"Just asking for a friend"...Don't forget THAT🤣🤣🤣

[@aussieinkorea593]

It felt like watching brothers catching up in this video. Two great guys that are extremely knowledgeable.

[@chipke7]

Lex you are a beautiful person inside and out. Greetings from Belgium

[@r-gart]

@Fato DelaVeritas what hahah

[@synewparadigm]

@Fato DelaVeritas he is growing. Give him few years.

[@snowybeach8024]

Thank you so much for not plastering your content with YT roll ads, Lex. I hope you know how appreciated that is 😊

[@Papa0John]

Just discovered Michael. I’m not an anarchist, at least not yet - but appreciate honest intelligent people and dialogue. Look forward to more. In so far as the discussion about love versus mockery: love buys nothing but ‘advantage’ when someone is so committed to their offensive. Mockery is resistance and resistance is a responsibility for free men in the face of tyranny, organized or otherwise. Love is something you express on the way through cancel-culture and censorship on the way to reeducation camps.

[@jordanpettet3488]

Desperately wanting to avoid running when you know you must and that you'll be glad that you did? Right there with you, Lex!

[@kvncnls]

"Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." This can be expanded on the idea that most people read headlines without even reading the body of the article. Ignorance causes people to be unqualified to choose their leaders.

[@edithseichter4857]

Thats Why direct democracy with Internet Voting is the Next Step.

[@uncleherb9617]

@Fato DelaVeritas exactly. they are the "qualified" ones to choose leaders for others, but don't recognize that they are the ones who need them. e.g. believing that the internet is making everyone else less intelligent, then suggesting "banning 'viral' algorithms".

[@edithseichter4857]

@@Arkantos117 the Security risks will be dealt with by coming innovation. Why should voting be harder, Why should People not Take the Initiative rather than politicians who can Simply lie. The people will take power and nobody will prevent it.

[@edithseichter4857]

@@xjohnny1000 indeed.

[@edithseichter4857]

@@Arkantos117 this is an extremely retarded argument. Maintaining useless effort that can be avoided is stupid. People will vote on issues whenever they like.

[@jr2726]

Lex, you should have Dave Smith on. You will love what he has to say about anarchism and culture

[@johancena2258]

Big yes

[@alanomofo]

Dave does volunteerism/anarchism justice

[@llmrfantasticll]

And also Dave Smith the engineer who created the first polyphonic synthesizer 👀

[@kimberIyyu]

I was a little late to get on the lex train, but with each new video, it astounds me that such an amazing human being with such a beautiful soul like this actually exists.