Michal Aligs REAL Beef with James St James

What was the real Beef between Michael Alig and James St James?
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[@craigg5410]

I honestly have come to conclude that apart from Nelson, they were just all really awful narcissistic people.

[@Etienne_H]

And overrated junkies who got some attention once but blew all potential. Not all are narcissistic though, Richie Rich is really giving in person.

[@anthonyp6823]

Satanists

[@Utubin]

As well as Nelson his pal Dick was genuinely a great person. 2 nice guys I would love to have been friends with.

[@josephtew9808]

Pretty accurate.

[@courtneyjohnson3761]

I always hate waiting for you to upload again but then I'm always glad I waited. It was always worth it you don't just push out Low quality videos for the sake of quantity. You always deliver Awesome polished content. This time is no different. Good job as always my friend ❤🎉

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thanks 🙏 Courtney I do my best to be thorough 😊

[@jigzigsaw]

feel like i haven’t heard his name in forever. he’s such a touchy subject but you cover it so well

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thanks Autumn 🙏🥰

[@joesantos2455]

Your videos cater to my nostalgic intrigue(s) (as it pertains 2 the club kids) perfectly! You seem to know exactly what to include (and to not include). Btw: I am ALSO fascinated by Christina (Superstar) - Like especially so. Keep up the incredible work. You have talent; this is clear.

[@RetroRoomYT]

I love this comment, Joe 🙏 thanks 😊 I always keep my 👀 open for info on Christina!

[@mjreikiriot3302]

Party Monster put WOW on the map. They let their friend die, poor, in a Upper West side apartment next to his stalker, Ben Silva...while they eat well and live in mansions. Thank you for this, Dear One.

[@sydb8921]

wait whos ben silva

[@EllaRoseX]

this

[@mjreikiriot3302]

@@sydb8921 The person that let him die. He called a promoter instead of the police at 11:30pm on Xmas Eve. The cops did not arrive until after 3:30am. So for 4 hours, no one administered Narcan, nor even tried CPR. I have several messages from, Mikey, talking about how he was concerned this guy may be unhinged. He was kicked out of a lgbtq shelter, for being in a fight, (when I met him at Michael's flat in Queens). M was letting him stay there...because he was just like that...

[@jenniferburton7044]

True but had they given him money, it would’ve all went to drugs. Maybe they did try to help him. We don’t know. Ernie Glam was his friend until the end. I’m surprised none of these people made statements regarding his death. As they were all extremely vocal about him during his life.

[@marsh443]

MJ, WRONG! He still had his mother, not even his immediate family could tolerate him...

[@cecemax2604]

So pleased that you are feeling better. It seems that they used each other for their own needs. Thank you for another well put together & informative video. 😊

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thanks 🙏 Cece Max I appreciate that

[@christinecollins6648]

I was a fly on the wall in that transition of the clubs from the late 80s to the early 90s. I comment a lot because my ex was an early close friend of Alig’s, and also knew Nelson. I venture to be more bold here because; I was at Nelson’s house party briefly that was featured on the Nelson KZbin ( 5 9th ave) , I was at one of the (last) Fabulous Pop Tart’s club performances, and I attended most all Alig’s first club promo parties. We were all very young ( just out of college- but looked more like just out of high school) the frinemy vibe between Alig and James was a ubiquitous iced quality you found between most performance clubbers. There were some thick friends( lady Bunny, Larry T., and Lahoma stand out as close)but mostly it felt catty and shady. The level felt more equal- the Twins, Pop Tarts, Sister Face, Brandywine, Jsts.J and Michael all stood out equally for dress and antics. Michael got recognition for organizing and naming the thing, Kenny Kenny stood out for door work, Musto for being the press. Everything felt quick, casual, and a little like high school. So Rupaul hating Michael Alig was enough to throw things off in a big way.( The old guard: John Sex, Diane Brill.. seemed very above and remote and separate as the dissipated)

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thank you for sharing this, Christine 🙏 It’s great to hear your perspective on the situation ☺️

[@mjreikiriot3302]

This is so real and well-explained...fab, as usual, Beautiful Lady!🙌❤️❤️❤️

[@satinblackcat]

Thank you for sharing. This is so interesting and puts things into perspective.

[@nikki9doors500]

I am so obsessed with your content! I appreciate you and the work you put in to these videos. I watch every one I come across.

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thank you so much, Nikki! 🙏

[@aaronsartore6988]

I totally dislike St. James and how he uses Michael aligs life as his and profits off it. It's very wrong. Align was at the forefront of the movement. St James screwed over alig in so many ways! Fenton and Randy also in a sense. They were always at the outlaw parties etc, forgetting where their true roots are! Michael started a following and created an amazing world. They still profit of it. Makes me angry!

[@moldyshowercurtain7697]

He deserved any rejection he got. 🤷

[@PontiacS.]

I was in NYC when All that stuff happened. It was just an Imitation of the early 80's "New Romantic" scene in London. It wasn't my scene. I just saw it happening.

[@parisz]

I'm so jelly!!!

[@eleanorwalmsley635]

Absolutely

[@kimberlymisfit3544.]

I can't believe James St.James said he didn't make any money off it,come on,I obviously didn't know them but I'm sure he made money one way or another from TV spots or his name being attached with the movie...They helped each other in different ways ,I am in no way saying what Michael did wasn't horrific. This was a great video doll.

[@plazaqueen5439]

he meant he did not get rich off of the book or movie. Most people do not know who Michael Alig is and the movie was poorly reviewed because it was not a great movie. James said twice a year he will get a check that will pay his utility bill and that is about it. Micheal always felt entitled and wanted everything handed to him. He refused to get a full time job because he thought it was beneath him and this created a great deal of jealousy when he saw all his friends grow up and become responsible members of society.

[@nelsonsullivanhd9908]

Hey thanks for using my Nelson picture 😉

[@jamiebancroft706]

he was a fucking murderer ... i don't blame WOW for snubbing him.

[@kimberlymisfit3544.]

Hey doll,binge watching your videos I missed while crazy life was happening..Great video again sweetie!

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thank you 🙏 Kimberly Mason !

[@joeytrimble1558]

Nelson's my dawg I love that dudes videos ..

[@tinabolesful5184]

Did you hear Daniel Auster died

[@mjreikiriot3302]

I did not. Thank you for the update on this.

[@RetroRoomYT]

No I didn’t 😔

[@JudgeHill]

He was a very, very nasty piece of work, good riddance.

[@dgenerated]

Overdose

[@EllaRoseX]

@@RetroRoomYT yes james st james tweeted about it and said investigators should take a closer look into him as someone who was involved with angel's murder

[@famasmaster2000]

Some pretty wild info. video well done !

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thanks famasmaster2000 🙏

[@firstnamelastname6193]

Trying to put WOW or James in a bad light is laughable! Michael made it seem like people turned their backs on him when he was released but the reality is he was using drugs for years before he killed Angel and most people cut ties with him then

[@foxy6481]

He was so self obsessed. He was a murderer, I don't understand why he couldn't get that through his head. People don't want to be associated with that.

[@mjreikiriot3302]

He was actually convicted of manslaughter, did 17 years in RIKER'S, served his debt to society. Freeze that actually hit Angel over the head, did less time. Daniel Oscar, did no time because his rich parents bought his way out of any repercussions. Why did he do 4 extra years? A little movie his friends made, that convinced the parole board somehow HE wanted this movie made. The unjust railroading because he was gay and the biggest party promoter of downtown (yes they USED him to stop a youth movement) is probably why he couldn't "get it through his head". Some humans believe in redemption.

[@armandtoledo6706]

@@mjreikiriot3302 He was a cold blooded murderer who showed no remorse. There was nothing redeemable about this monster.

[@dgenerated]

@@mjreikiriot3302 Daniel Auster just died of an overdose

[@yeaok4673]

Angel was giving people drug and people od. He’s a murder too.

[@anthonyp6823]

Bingo! He never took accountability. Just tried to blame his problems on everyone else.

[@A_Muzik]

Michael Alig did a good job detonating his own reputation and detonating bridges.

[@emsedgwick9521]

I know I'm late.😬 Was the sequel ever released? I'd love to watch it!

[@psychospacecadet]

Well, Alig did get the prison sentence, along with being troubled, and may be part of the reason nobody wanted much of anything to do with him. Also, WOW and associates made a good bit of money off the scandal, and sure they didn't want to share.... It's a big royal mess either which way you cut it Maybe St James was scared of him, along with others

[@RetroRoomYT]

That’s a good point ☝️

[@ainnochaim9450]

Let's be real. The scene would've faded away into obscurity, alive ONLY in the minds of those who were there, were it not for Alig. They all know it, even though they act like they are better than he is now. In fact, they LOVE that they got to live to be "better" than him. If you were there to see it, you know how they were clamoring to be where it "mattered," and Alig was at the center.

[@annalee-rw9es]

Are u stupid they all grew up and made something of themselves and it had nothing to do with the fucking documentary or the movie dam that's the only reason his name is known is the movie and James and wow are the reason those were done they all made something of themselves way before the movie came out or anything to do with Michael in fact they are all famous do to their own hard work and he fucked up his own life by killing Angel so how dare u or that narcissistic killer think he made others rich or famous that's delusional and sick and people like u are a danger to this world because u worship a fucking killer !!

[@jenniferburton7044]

“They act like they’re better than he is now” Well they kind of are if they’re still breathing and didn’t murder anyone 😂😂😂

[@F417H]

merci 🌹

[@RetroRoomYT]

Welcome 🙏

[@Usernameusername206]

Does anyone know if there was ever a funeral for Alig? Reports after he passed said there was a battle over his ashes between, his mother, and his friends.

[@jenniferburton7044]

The club kids started a go fund me for Elke right after his death to pay for his services/burial/or cremation costs. I never heard of any dispute, only that they tried helping her with the Gofund me.

[@headgroundsman1650]

Very insightful, glad you are felling better.

[@RetroRoomYT]

Thank you HEAD GROUNDSMAN I’m glad to be feeling better too 🙏

[@CrystalCat24]

Whoa i know this song from another KZbin channel i watch! How random.

[@stud_sidious]

There is a reason the pop tarts never made it in the music industry. They had no vocal range & couldn’t stay in key. Just watch any of their videos. They couldn’t sing at all. It was kind of embarrassing.

[@cynthiaconner8601]

Well, the winner of this "beef" is James St James....he's still alive..

[@rashaunwilliams6121]

Hell yeah they turned there back on him he killed someone duh

[@BlytheWorld1972]

James St James is jealous of Alig end off.

[@bryanescobar4933]

Michael Alig is a Club Cult figure ! I live for him !

[@ai-man212]

And right Alig was. When the only payment acceptable is your death, screw all involved. He should have written his book and to hell with everyone.

[@TallulahLaGhash]

I can only go from my direct conversations with Michael Alig on DM, but he seemed like a sweetheart

[@thitsmcgee1917]

People with personality disorders are very good at putting on a charismatic face to fool the people

[@BarryWhite-fm7bw]

James st James ‘ was in New York doing all this before Michael alig’s came on the scene to New York 🤪🤡. Jh 🇬🇧

[@Mrajtheartist]

✨⭐✨💞💖💞💖💞💖💞✨⭐✨

[@sherrykirby8052]

I couldn't help but feel bad for Michael since his release. Yes yes I know he did an absolutely horrid thing. But he did serve his time and paid the price and in the end...he was a human being. I could tell he was desperate in his last years, to make some money and he just couldn't get anything afloat. I had the idea of him doing an NYC downtown tour where he could also sell his merch. The idea was that he himself, could give paid walking tours to NYC tourists and show all the hot spots from those glory daze....telling stories and what not. Michael loved this idea and I just felt so helpless, because he reached out to me several different times over a two year period, wanting me to help him organize it and find backers to help him out. I'm literally just a 40 something mom now, in Kentucky and I just don't have NYC contacts anymore. I tried very hard to help him and made several phone calls to different travel and tourist agencies in NYC but I never could get anyone to commit. I definitely think the stigma surrounding his crime and his reputation is what hurt him. Every time he reached out to me....I could tell he must have really been broke and going through it. Was very sad to hear of his OD and I'm sad that I never could help him. At least he now has peace.

[@MATRICULAT3D]

You pay the price when your physical body dies and your true judgement is revealed in real true eternity. All of them will pay a price. Angel served/sold drugs to children and took advantage of the evil hedonistic lifestyle of the blind masses/kids who participated in that lifestyle. They are all paying a price. I don’t think you should feel bad, unless you did something wrong?! However you should always have sympathy and compassion and mercy towards those who are suffering. These “club kids” got what they deserved. And yes “wow” and it’s affiliates did profit off the death/movie. The entertainment industry is involved in esoteric evil, sacrifice is required to move the energies in your favor as the “lucifer” is the god of this material world of excess. The Hollywood beast system paradigm has programmed many generations of children. You are obviously one of them. In the end Michael got what he wanted throughout his existence and he manifested it through his actions. Michael got Money Success Fame Glamour He shouldn’t complain or be bitter. Michael murdered Angel and he thought he got away with it in this life.

[@MATRICULAT3D]

Michael is not resting in peace.

[@Ninabnina711]

Everyone rests in peace, when your dead, your dead.

[@thitsmcgee1917]

That’s a nice thought but he could not have done that sober. It would be verrrrry triggering. Only a few tours until he’s reminiscing and looking for drugs.

[@chipmunktubetop]

Entitled much?