Micron Desktop SLS 3D Printer

[@micronics3d]

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[@username9774]

bad you bad

[@robnixon515]

And…. revolution successfully squandered! Great job everyone involved.

[@MichaelTavel]

I tried watching this video but the auger jammed. Where is that hammer...

[@0mym]

😂😂😂

[@droko9]

Reviews: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ7PpZJ8jcatZ7M kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaGwdaeghrGGrdU kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3rUmaOuqtGSpck

[@timderks5960]

Thank you! I was never gonna buy this (in the near future), but I was super excited about it. However, the behavior from Micronics displayed in these reviews shows that they are on a very wrong path. They're probably gonna have to fall on their face hard an learn about humility and acknowledging mistakes before this has any chance of succeeding. It's a shame, because this is such a cool concept. To be clear: the bad behavior I'm talking about is mainly the "you should send the printer back if you don't appreciate our hard work" reply to somebody who's trying to make it work and is just pointing out things that aren't working properly.

[@Colorcrayons]

Yup. I noped completely out of even considering this after seeing the shady tactics micronics are employing. The biggest egregious error of their being, asking reviewers not to post critical reviews until AFTER the KS has ended. Please up vote that review link post so more people see it.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

​@@timderks5960before ever watching the reviews, Micronics have not been entirely honest about the technology in their promotional material. SLS is no more magic than resin and FDM. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages, and one of the huge downsides of SLS is that it's incredibly expensive and wasteful. ALL of the powder used in a print run is spent, whether it becomes part of the object or not.

[@timderks5960]

@@ClokworkGremlin I mean, I don't think I've heard them say that it's magic or that it's efficient on material? Sure, they highlighted the positives, like the part being solid, meaning you can machine it afterwards. I don't feel like they are required to also list downsides in promotional material, nobody does that. I don't think we want to become an all-American society where we need warning labels to not put babies inside microwaves, people should still use common sense and do their own research. You don't expect a car manufacturer to tell you that your car is gonna need new tires, oil, other parts, or even gas every so often in an ad, so why would you expect that from the maker of a 3D printer? Just because cars are more common? We all had to learn that cars use gas, so we'll too have to learn that SLS printing uses all the material inside the object.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

@@timderks5960 The promotional video didn't *say* it's magic, but presented it *as* magic, and one of their biggest advertising bullet points has always been "no supports needed" (since the powder provides the support). This doesn't outright *say* that you won't be wasting material making supports, but it does *imply* it, since that's the main reason people don't like having to add supports. Most people are assumed to know that a car needs tires, fluids, and other maintenance. It's an established technology that everyone's grown up around and is assumed to understand. Micronics are leveraging their advertising on the fact that most people *don't* know what considerations you need to put into powder-based printing, because consumer-grade SLS printing *is* new, and most people don't understand it very well. 15 years ago, someone was pitching a resin printer with the same sort of advertising. It was new, it was fast, it was better than FDM, it was going to be the future of 3D printing, and it completely ignored all the shortfalls of resin-based printing. And I don't remember who it even was, because they took the money and ran.

[@Vastfill]

I won't have the money to fund / buy this but I absolutely love seeing technology revolutionized! Good jobs lads

[@VladimirVonRootinTootin]

I also agree, I am very interested in acquiring one but don’t have the money. I have so many ideas with the potential of sls

[@patomaster95]

its good, buth not that good for detail figures.

[@MasterMaceMichu]

Watch the reviews posted yesterday and today....Not ready for production, you're funding them to make it into a product that actually works.

[@willpowerfpv3246]

A Kickstarter should be used to fund the production run to customers, not the R&D. It's clearly not ready for mass production. ​@MrBLions14 Check out the review by Scotty, Strange Parts.

[@MasterMaceMichu]

@MrBLions14 No, this is not more then an alpha product and the guys behind the kickstarter even tried to keep negative reviews (which were completely honest) from being published.

[@ThatsPety]

That is literally the point of kickstarter. Big companies who actually have the money and means to bring a product to market, but don't want to fund it themselves have taken over the platform. But that's never what kickstarter was supposed to be. It's meant for startups who want to do something cool, but don't have the money to go from idea to store shelves on their own

[@flibblebot]

@@ThatsPety Exactly. Larger companies have turned KS into nothing more than a pre-sales platform, which is not what it was meant to be. Looking at their KS page, Micronics are at least a year off from a shipping product (probably longer), and they're using Kickstarter in the original intent to turn an alpha/early beta product into a working unit ready for sale. With regards to dodgy practices like asking reviewers to return units or delay their videos, I think that's more because Micronics are (at the moment, at least) just a bunch of nerds with a great idea and little to no experience of sales or marketing. The is definitely the vibe I've had from all their videos so far. I think, though, that @Micronics3D ought to publicly address the comments made by Scotty, Joel and others rather than just attempt to sweep them under the carpet.

[@ThatsPety]

@@flibblebot agreed and agreed

[@ronsone8373]

Ill wait for the production units and pay a little more

[@patrickl9930]

Ok. Why do we need to know, though?

[@anythingcompany]

@@patrickl9930😂 same reason you left a response.

[@heckyes]

@@patrickl9930 To help them out with the algorithm ya noob.

[@pieppy6058]

Sounds good

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Same. I like the project, but I hate Kickstarter.

[@quokons]

It’s like 2014 with resin printers! SLS will be very popular in 5 years now, this is the first huge leap to consumers!

[@chronokoks]

Best of luck guys! I hope you make really reliable printers that will change the paradigm of prosumer and prof SLS market! Use the money wisely and improve!!

[@David-ty6my]

I would have layd down 3k but I was too late. Gonna wait till it's back to that price and just stick to my bambulab A1

[@LincolnWorld]

Congrats on already blasting way past your goal! I am very excited to see you succeed with this. Wishing you the best of luck with the entire process.

[@rcpattaya230]

Wow. I can feel your emotion. Well done and thanks for being honest. I understand you want to help them and at the same time not be under pressure. You got the right balance.

[@riakata]

This really requires a lot of safety equipment and local ventilation. The filters and fans shown are not sufficient and with the open powder handling you will need a true hepa cartridge vaccum that is explosion resistant to handle the inventable spill. This product can cause cancer if you dont use sls properly and most of the risk is outside the printer.

[@peterclegg2609]

After my last experience on kickstarter Starfield resin printer fraud wild horses could not get me to do it again, I hope it works out for the backers.

[@AlbertDongler]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ7PpZJ8jcatZ7M Optional accessory: A Hammer.

[@dingdingdingdiiiiing]

WIld. I wasn't expecting such a rush. I was happy to see that the delivery date was not unrealistically optimistic, it's still optimistic, a year will roll around very quickly. And guys, you still have a lot of issues to work out, I've seen Strange parts' and 3D printing nerd's videos - let's be honest, they're fair, but given what you've shown so far, I personally have faith that you'll deliver a solid product. Just don't rush it, this time.

[@micronics3d]

We will for sure take our time and make sure everything is perfect before we start shipping! The timeline includes another round of beta testing after KS (in parallel to preparing for production) which will let us iron out all the remaining issues before going full production mode.

[@dingdingdingdiiiiing]

@@micronics3d Good to hear and best of luck!

[@mythos000000025]

Awesome and a bit surprising...sorta, all tech eventually comes down in cost. Not too expensive...though i thought this was a metsl printer at first. My question is material costs

[@ExtraHandyAndy]

1st time ive watch a kickstarter like its a stock ticker. Super excited for this.

[@Moronicsmurf]

Machine does not see ready to ship tho so this might just blow up in their collective faces. Some of the review units had alot of issues.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Based on previous, similar Kickstarter products, I predict they're going to have a ton of complications crop up, which significantly delay delivery on the first units shipped, leaving the majority of backers waiting 12+ months longer than initial promise, during which time other companies will come forward with more well-thought-out systems which are cheaper and more reliable, but may miss a few more minor features.

[@1stRanger]

3000$ Super Early Bird deal on Kickstarter is not "from 3000$" price tag everyone had in mind when you talked about it. Real MSRP (at this point) is 4500$ and that's 1-2 years down the line, which means it's probably going to increase even more. And according to reviews it's not even ready for consumer. Why present it like something ready to hit the market at 3K when it's clearly not?

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Because there's a sucker born every minute, and if you don't get their money when you can, there won't be any left when you do.

[@sanderdekreij]

Man I absolutely love the things you guys are doing. Im currently finishing my masters in industrial design engineering and can see so much potential in this. At this point in time I don't have the resources to jump on board and obtain one myself but man will I be doing so once I have finished my masters to really elevate my projects! Love what you guys are doing

[@gearshade9441]

Can't belive KS didn't send me an email when it went live, after telling it to notify me. I missed the $2999 reward level....uggg.

[@micronics3d]

Sorry to hear that. We also sent emails to those who have subscribed on our website, but sometimes they can be flagged as junk and not show up 😕😕

[@gearshade9441]

@@micronics3d I still backed it. :) CANNOT WAIT!!

[@chasebelcher7932]

Watched the reviews. Il pass 😂

[@username9774]

already at almost half a million, this is crazy

[@eminence_]

30 mins later we are at US$ 798,644

[@ashers_workshop]

40 minutes later its coming up on a million!!!!! Wow am I excited for this accessibility and innovation. I cannot afford it, but I am still excited

[@paulushdk]

yoooo, you guys just hit 1.000.000$ of 100.000$!! Congrats to the Team:) I hope you guys succeed ^^

[@KristjanS-Kristeh]

OK i thought this printer was really going to be like 3k$ but its in reality 4,5k$...WHere are the printers for 2999$ as was promised? Or was that only the super early bird? What about regular price after kickstarter ends?

[@micronics3d]

They were the super early bird ones and were all taken within the first 60 seconds

[@cgooch_]

Oh. Well… damn. I’ll wait till she appears next year then. Looking forward to the future of this and I guess at this point I’ll patiently wait. :)

[@KristjanS-Kristeh]

@@micronics3d Ah ok. As from the advertisement on youtube and all-over you were giving an impression that the end product would have a cost of 2999$ not only the super early birds (that based on recent reviews from youtubers dont even work out of the box properly and its a lot of DYI to fix stuff...). But OK its a startup so understenable. But still it was missleading to promote a product cost will be 2999$ if at the end it turnd out that the end product will be much much more... I predict tripple the price...Anyway, You have a great product it seems but still too expensive compared to other more known brands. Best of luck!

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Production costs should come down in the next few years. My first FDM printer was $800 on Kickstarter, and before it had even arrived you could get similar ones at higher quality for half that price.

[@KristjanS-Kristeh]

@@ClokworkGremlin Sure but industrial grade or buisiness grade FDM printers are still costing upwards of 3k$ today. And no BambooLab is not industrial grade its a hobby machine that is really good for what it is but far far away from any industrial grade FDM printer. Just so we dont get confused. I bought my first FDM printer already in 2013/14 or something like that and i was among the first people in my country to own a 3d printer. It costed me upwards of 1000€ and 2 years later you could buy way way better 3d printers for around 500€. Today a printer that works the same (but still better) then the one i got in 2013 costs 150€....But this is a decade long process to get here. And personally i think we are still far far away from any usefull cheap consumer grade hobby SLS printer that costs less then 10k€ to operate plug&play mostly without issues.

[@tylerj.c.3235]

How much will the powder cost once you are selling it?

[@spicydraks]

Look on their website, it's not cheap. Also it's all sold out sadly

[@baraBober]

Congratulations guys! Nearly a million bucks in just a few hours! Thank you for making this technology a lot more affordable!

[@802Garage]

Well, congrats on the massively successful Kickstarter!

[@peterrondelez]

Hope one day the resolution can be increased and a castable wax-based powder can be created for jewellery making. Not having to worry about supports, clean-up, and post curing etc would be so great.

[@yax75]

Was gonna jump on this but even with an email, I missed out on the super early bird price.

[@More_Row]

What, how did you manage to fully fund it in about 10 seconds.

[@0mym]

Will auger jam?

[@mimmolagonigro]

lack of temporary resources do not allow me to start an investment. I hope for the next version with larger volume and a better integrated system for cleaning the dust box

[@bennylee2582]

Is there only one color to the material? What type of materials and colors are available?

[@lucabarrett3434]

Commenting for engagement! I wish you guys the best, and hope that one day I can integrate one of your products into my workflow!

[@EvilSpyBoy]

If I had the spare $$ (from the currency conversion from USD to AUD) I would absolutely get... I can only hope that the final product keeps the prices still at this sort of value proposition. You would clean up.

[@FrancisSt-Laurent]

I want you to succeed ! Hope your machine will be ready at the end of your kickstarter !

[@davelelonek]

It’s good technology however the surface finishes are just not what is needed or what SLA delivers.

[@demijebus6831]

I'm happy to hear that you guys were helping reviewers resolve as many issues as you could. However this product, in its current state,is not ready and should not be portrayed as "perfected". Be honest with your audience and they will be throwing you money when the product is ready.

[@mythos000000025]

Also can't wait for a 300x300x400 build volume or 450x450x600! Oh yeah

[@richarddavies2902]

I think this has the potential to be a great product, shame about your shady business practice of trying to silence Scotty after his legitmiate review based upon the (understandably BETA hardware), being open and honest is vital. Personally, I would have probably backed your project if you hadn't been so toxic, but this isn't something I can now get behind. I wish you luck, and hope that this product does become a success and when it does, ill buy at full retail price.

[@alexsemion1851]

wow that is successfull pampaign. congrats guys

[@janzugic6798]

already overshot the goal! congrats!!

[@MeinSchatzEra]

I wish i had the money now to fund this (not that it matters since it funded in like 0 seconds it seems lol) but I will for sure be getting this in the future! I wish you had an option for an early discount on kickstarter, because I would drop a good $100-$150 now to get an early access discount! Damn LOL. :D

[@thehonestdude1067]

Looks amazing

[@Mr850man]

I hope this isn't a scam lol

[@ClokworkGremlin]

I believe the production team are well-intentioned and earnestly planning to bring the product to market. How their (and their backers') dreams interact with reality is where my questions start cropping up.

[@johnhinkey5336]

Hope you'll get all the reported bugs worked out soon or you'll have a lot of disappointed customers. Good Luck!

[@micronics3d]

Of course! We planned to ship 8-12 months after KS and that includes doing a second round of beta testing. We will have all the issues figured out by the time we ship our printers!

[@Arrowsmith86]

Ffs missed the early bird. Good luck guys

[@rpals5412]

The reason why SLS printers cost 20.000$+ and not 3.000$ is because it takes 5 years and 17 prototypes to get it right, and in that long and expensive process, you realise that your simple design needed to become more complex and have more expensive parts in order to be reliable. So when people say "the idea is good, but the product is just not ready yet".... I have to say no... the idea that they will be able to make a simple SLS printer and get it right in the first year, first few prototypes, is just not realistic. unfortunately.

[@tannernugent]

😮

[@thedylpickle5909]

congrats

[@benjaminpauza159]

Early bird already gone 😂

[@ChrisJames-gt3ye]

The company is pushing misinformation the powder is toxic just by virtue of being a fine powder. It also is a fire and explosion hazard lots of home vacuums have brushed motors and no esd discharge route and will make enough sparks and discharges to ignite vacuuming up a spill of powder. Also you don't know if someone thinks they can use their cyclonic separator to make cleanup faster and they just vacuum up the entire cake which is a direct path to an explosion if they dont have metal grounded duct and true hepa filters to prevent dust from getting into a explosion resistant vacuum blower.

[@Twikiy]

EU resellers?

[@VladimirVonRootinTootin]

I see so much potential for this in my small printing business but have no way to afford it. I wish I could get a way to review this cause I can do so much for those around me

[@Inventor22x]

Damn, missed the start by a few minutes, and the early bird options have been gobbled up :(

[@erkkijaakkopetteri]

Just a glance at 2:14 made me fully trust the project, 100%

[@MichaelR-ll9yf]

This killed me

[@gackhuhn4868]

Very nice

[@Chris16341]

Yeah $2999 for the first 25 pcs on Kickstart if you wait almost a year for delivery. MSRP 50% more = $4500, and that is where you lost the average consumer.

[@Adderkleet]

Since this is a 1st-gen version of this, I wouldn't recommend it for "the average consumer".

[@Chris16341]

@@Adderkleet They are NOT ready at all, look at the review videos on YT and you will see. This is advertised at a super easy to use machine, so yes for the consumer. But I guess that we will get this from some of the big Chinese printer companies in the end.

[@lukeminer3738]

For the algorithm!!!!

[@hanzazazel412]

Neat

[@FantasticFeatsFailures]

Can’t even get one and I’m trying

[@magatsu82]

I want one of this so bad, but I'm poor ToT

[@cnc-maker]

This looks like a very nice tool, and I'm sure than you will be able to address the current manufacturing and shipping issues, prior to your planned ship dates. However, I am extremely dismayed at how nonchalantly and careless you've been in regards to the safe handling of the polymer powder. You only have 1 set of lungs, and any powder that you breath in, will be in your lungs for the rest of your life. Since this entire process exposes one to more particles in a single cycle than an asbestos worker would be exposed to asbestos in their entire lifetime, the risk of mesothelioma is beyond alarming. I've seen the safety protocols in use by companies that use SLS tools, and your use of paper masks is beyond alarming. All points where it is possible for the particles to become airborne, MUST be performed in a sealed glovebox, and the worker must be wearing a full face mask with respirator. That is not an option, it is absolutely mandatory. Watching your videos, and those of your reviewers, handling the powder is reckless, irresponsible, and some might say criminal. I seriously hope you fix this messaging, as the handing of polymer powders is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! There is also the concern of dust explosions, which are probably less significant, but your customers need to know about those risks as well. You could argue that your customers should be doing their own research, but do you really want to risk it? I still remember the 70s, when 2 of the 3 sugar manufacturing plants in the world blew up due to dust explosions.

[@thedylpickle5909]

no way you can print lego!!!!

[@micronics3d]

*generic building blocks

[@benjaminbutcher]

Me: Damn those reviews were a little rough I sure hope these poor guys - *clicks link* AAAaaaand they're well over 1.5 mil lmao