Microplastics, Global Greening, & the Dangers of Radical Alarmism | Dr. Patrick Moore | EP 439

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with industry consultant, science activist, and past president of Greenpeace Canada (1971 to 1986), Dr. Patrick Moore. They discuss his time in Greenpeace, the historic timeline of global ice ages and climate change, the clear lies being peddled to promote alarmism, and how the woke left manipulates science (and scientists) to promote a falsely perceived and politically incentivized future catastrophe.
Dr. Patrick Moore has been a leader in the international environmental field for more than 45 years. He is a co-founder of Greenpeace and served for nine years as President of Greenpeace Canada and seven years as a Director of Greenpeace International. As the leader of many campaigns Dr. Moore was a driving force shaping policy and direction for 15 years while Greenpeace became the world's largest environmental activist organization.
In recent years, Dr. Moore has been focused on the promotion of sustainability and consensus building among competing concerns. He founded and chaired the BC Carbon Project, a group that worked to develop a common understanding of climate change.
In 2021 Dr. Moore published "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom" exposing the fake news and fake science around 11 claims of disaster including climate change, coral reefs, polar bears, plastic, nuclear energy, and more.
This episode was filmed March 21st, 2024
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Tour Update: Konstantin Kisin
(0:59) Coming up
(1:27) Intro
(3:50) The advent of ecology in modern science
(5:04) The complexity of earth, three tenants of the scientific method
(8:45) Why our modern crises are all invisible or remote - fear dissipates with interaction
(14:59) The Pleistocene period, the “last ice age,” and the emergence of life
(18:55) How good is our understanding of climate across millions of years?
(20:31) Today’s scientists have built up shells, but forget we evolved with spines
(24:18) What we know already disproves what alarmists have been predicting
(33:40) Playing devil’s advocate, “Why is carbon to blame?”
(37:57) The world does not end if it gets a few degrees warmer. This is not speculation.
(40:45) Even Michael Crichton called this out
(42:08) “This whole thing is so corrupt”
(44:24) Global greening as C02 rises
(48:04) Henry’s Law, and why it matters
(53:17) The IPCC has twice stated that it is impossible to determine future climate trends
(58:29) Humans are not polar bears, we evolved at the equator
(1:00:00) We cannot model clouds, let alone climate or economic trends
(1:01:42) A history of radical alarmism
(1:03:08) What drove Greenpeace’s concerns originally, hardcore activism
(1:12:27) What changed, “They started seeing humanity as the problem”
(1:14:40) Greenpeace wanted to ban chlorine worldwide
(1:17:01) The tragedy of the commons, and why we need borders
(1:19:26) Phobia-first approach to science, plastic is not toxic - that’s the point
(1:21:23) What convinced Dr. Moore that mainstream science had been captured
(1:23:52) It makes no sense for the green movement to be anti-nuclear
(1:29:21) It’s a free country until you mention carbon
(1:30:46) A summary of the conversation thus far
(1:34:47) Is micro plastic a myth?
(1:36:27) The Great Pacific Garbage Patch does not exist, and other egregious lies
(1:42:48) The end of science at the hands of the woke
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[@LezlyBeetz]

Anyone have any more information on the 'global greening' which Peterson described 'as the amount of the earth thats green since the year 2000 is equivalent to the total land area of the united states'. Can't wrap my head around what he meant by that.

[@marksouthern7542]

Google 'greening of the earth' and either CSIRO or NASA. Both of these organisations used satellite imagery to calculate how the earth has greened. The science behind the greening is this....higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere means that the stomata (which are holes in leafs) can be smaller and therefore the plant is more water efficient. Therefore, the earth is greening in places of low rainfall (see Western Australia for an example). Hope that helps.

[@JordanBPeterson]

www.nasa.gov/technology/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/

[@day3455]

It’s also a geometrical equivalence, so that two surfaces can be called equal based on quantity of surface, rather than by shape. This way the increase of green land, whatever shape it might have, has the the same surface quantity as the US.

[@bearowen5480]

Give it another try, it's really not that hard. The modest increase in global atmospheric CO² has reduced water loss through the stomata in plant leaves living in marginally arid regions sufficient to allow those plants to reclaim desert in a combined area equal to the that of the United States. If you can't understand that you shouldn't be worrying about global climate change.

[@jacobh2714]

In simple words: more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to more photosynthesis by plants, and therefore to more vegetation. Since most plants are green, this worldwide increase in vegetation is referred to as "greening of the planet". The worst mankind can do is to take CO2 from the atmosphere and dispose it forever in underground cavities - CCS: Carbon Capture & Storage. By doing so, carbon is definitively excluded from the Earth's life cycle. This practice could be viewed as ecocide.

[@223shellback]

As a 25+ year Environmental Scientist...I want to thank you Dr. Peterson for having Dr. Moore on your show. He is a rare bit of sanity in my horribly politicized profession.

[@shurnbrendt7581]

I can’t imagine having activists make alarmist claims on my behalf all the time, only to try and discredit me when I clarify or argue with them.

[@laraoneal7284]

It must be so difficult being in ur profession right now.

[@TheTrueReiniat]

That man Moore is a bullshit vendor, neither his position nor the alarmists are correct.

[@grannyannie2948]

Could you tell me why all the graphs I've seen, beginning with the movie, An Inconvenient Truth, exclude the Mediaeval Warming Period? My cynical conclusion is that if it was included we would just be entering into a phase where humans had been 1000 years before, but that's not frightening so they leave it out.

[@gary_michael_flanagan_wildlife]

Question for you though. The birds eating the plastic and the images of their skeletons with all the plastic junk inside. Was that faked? It really struck me when I saw the images but I was wondering if it’s not really happening? Serious question from a wildlife photographer who is concerned, thank you!

[@danetillman4528]

I am an uneducated carpenter in NW Arkansas.. The ideas I've been exposed to through Doc Peterson have changed my life and the lives of my immediate family for the better.. Thank god for Tammy and the team. See you in OKC on the 21st.. We're so excited!

[@grahamtrezise1114]

Hey mate, no such thing as an uneducated carpenter....

[@jealybeangoingplaces8496]

Sir, you are educated.

[@garyquade1975]

I feel the same from a humble diesel mechanic in MD

[@hideakipage8151]

You escaped the education system. Lucky you. You are free to form your own opinions. We need people like more than ever. Furthermore, you do something useful for society.

[@xotube2206]

Noice. God bless

[@jakeselada1772]

So what you are telling me is that the carbon tax in Canada is useless

[@thegeneralist7527]

Not only useless, it is causing tremendous harm and suffering.

[@stevejohnson149]

Essentially. It's a money grab to pay for the ever-growing spending needs of the crooked fed govt.

[@adjithwk257]

Ive always called these people a mafia, they come up with shcemes to syphon more money from citizens via more taxes etx

[@dannalin4937]

Yes, so is in Germany, it’s corruption from the government!!!

[@user-bg7km4ij7f]

Stop choking the trees, please 😁

[@doctorbritain9632]

The UN climate change tag is so misinformed it's now beyond a joke.

[@thegeneralist7527]

UN should be keeping the peace not worrying about imaginary problems.

[@Ex_877]

The UN is an arm of the cabal, they don't care.

[@revmsj]

@@thegeneralist7527there are not enough threats of world wars to keep them busy I suppose…🤷🏾‍♂️

[@chickentoucher55]

It’s just a definition and some basic knowledge they put it on every video about the climate I don’t think it’s bad their not forcing you to

[@thegeneralist7527]

@@chickentoucher55 Is lying not bad? What they say is not true, and is easily proven false. We are teaching all our children these falsehoods.

[@laraoneal7284]

Your guest here Jordan is a NATIONAL TREASURE. His knowledge is life changing.

[@thegeneralist7527]

What an amazing life he lived, and the things he has done for mankind. He should receive the Order of Canada.

[@Rawdiswar]

​@@thegeneralist7527He should but he won't for years I bet.

[@kingdancekiller]

Moore is not that guy. He’s a Greenwashing lobbyist. I actually like Jordan a lot. His psychological advice is amazing. I said it in my comment, But I find it’s funny that when he has a climate change critic on his podcast, they’re always in the pocket of some industry that’s not good for the environment. Why not have actual climatologists on the podcast? Most climatologists agree that An Inconvenient Truth did more damage to the movement than good. Because all the things it got wrong/alarmism it stoked gave Climate Change Skeptics more ammunition. But the science behind C02 as a greenhouse gas is sound. Look up Potholer54 video on Moore. (Ignore all the cringe Atheist crap, it bugs me too) He brings up many, many ways that Moore does not understand the data.

[@thegeneralist7527]

@@kingdancekiller Moore has done more good for mankind than you will in 100 lifetimes. Its an insult to suggest that making money is somehow against the scientific method. Pure marxist ideology. All life must struggle to survive, and to attack the man instead of his science is just plain lazy. Potholer is a good example of those who are scientifically illiterate in our society. There is no claim about CO2 that is true, except that it is essential for all life.

[@kingdancekiller]

@@thegeneralist7527 Moore is free to make a buck, sure. But when you show a graph that supposedly shows “that C02 and temperature are not correlated” but fail to include Solar Activity in the models but then say “it’s the sun, stupid.” It’s either gross incompetence or willful blindness. And that IS against the scientific method of peer review. :) Expand your mind and watch some critical videos of the guy. “It’s the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” I’m not an alarmist and while I don’t agree with JBP’s climate opinion. I understand it and there are several truths in JPB’s argument that climate activists should contend with. (Most of which are solved with Nuclear) However, the solution to advancing the climate debate isn’t calling upon industry shills like Lomberg and Moore to reinforce his viewpoint, he should have people who can present a counter narrative and they can figure it out.

[@nolaspeaker5656]

The problem with GMO's isn't the GMO's themselves, it is that the plants have been modified to not be affected by Monsanto's RoundUp. They have also been modified so that the seeds are sterile. Monsanto's plan is also to patent the modifications, which means they "own" the plants. This plan was devised to take over the world food production but many countries have now banned GMO's mostly to prevent contamination of the non-sterile plants.

[@Seeking.Me.1977]

Exactly.

[@brijesh7]

Are there absolutely no health issues with GMO foods?

[@nolaspeaker5656]

@brijesh7 Roundup is poison to humans too.

[@calebgilbreath6116]

@@brijesh7the health effects are questionable but the main reason is due to the above statement.

[@annkristinbarnes4596]

Exactly my concern with GMOs too: Nefarious corporations seeking to control all resources and patent all living creatures including "enhanced" humans...

[@laraoneal7284]

JORDAN you are giving us our short but cherished moments of sanity in this world. I’m so glad you are here the same time as myself. Blessings to you and your precious family.

[@largeangryfather8710]

I saw Dr. Moore speak over 20 years ago at a conference in Bismarck North Dakota. The main message I got from that is you can care about the environment and human beings at the same time. He’s extremely consistent over the last 20 years

[@SweepTheLeg2023]

🤔 *I now identify as invisible* *Although I was born visible, I am now trans-parent. My pronouns are who/where*

[@mitchellwelch9135]

Fking love this 😂 im definitely using this!!!! Hell yeah bro!!!

[@SweepTheLeg2023]

@@mitchellwelch9135 👊😂

[@jamesstevens3993]

😂😂

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Or: I am a childless person identifying as one with sons and daughters. Pronouns: Flat/Broke.

[@linru3093]

Gold😂

[@petermathieson5692]

Long, long, LOOOOOOONG overdue... but at long last, JBP, you have the venerable Canadian icon, Dr. Patrick Moore with you.

[@ryancharles5404]

What about peters claims that glyphosate is safe to drink and microplastics in the body is ok? This makes no sense to me

[@Tetragramix]

@@ryancharles5404 In this video? I didn't hear that said at any point.

[@ryancharles5404]

His glyphosate claim is in another interview. The video is very strange. The interviewer calls him out on his claim to drink some glyphosate and he walks out saying he’s not an idiot @tetragramix

[@StuartCullenSvengali]

I've been waiting for years to hear Dr Peterson and Dr Moore speak with each other! What a treat.

[@JItenSUkham10]

Mr Peterson 's podcasts cannot be listened in multitasking,I need to set my pillow and couch and lots of focus .

[@dreamingacacia]

munching on something can helps your brain to take in more stuffs. I used to munching on dried anchovies while studying in the uni, it works miraculously and I got A from that course even though I didn't review the lesson as much. It's funny enough when the professor didn't reprimand me for doing so because I was the only student listen to him during the class.

[@wmgodfrey1770]

Same thing pretty much for content SUCH as Vervaeke, Schmactenberger, EITHER Weinstine bros., amongst others. YET, helps immensely in doing Sense Making. Excellent stuff for headphones 🎧 or earbuds WHILE having a little restful lie down. Very good for ALL Pro-Social Pro-Future Pro- Peace Pro- Flourishing Pro- Cooperative collaborative dialogical humans. Cheers 🍻 Luck 🍀 Peace 🕊️ Gaia ✨♾️🌌🚀☯️⭐💙

[@JItenSUkham10]

@@wmgodfrey1770 thank you very much for the thoughtful extra inputs ,i appreciate such support and mindfulness 👍

[@chrisfleischman3371]

Yeah, I agree that multitasking does not work when listening to his podcasts. BTW, it is Dr. Peterson. Even if they take away his license, they cannot take away his doctorate. Now I have to back up the podcast a little since this response constitutes multitasking😁

[@JItenSUkham10]

@@chrisfleischman3371 the speed of conceptualization of you brain about any scenario has increased much now the layers have somehow jumbled glitched which misjudged in the projection and adaptation .🤝 I didn't know Dr.Peterson is Doctorate,I just met in an elevator I just knew him

[@afringedgentian5426]

Dearest Dr. Peterson, I just saw Dennis Prager’s latest Fireside Chat, and he was talking about how much it meant to him to be at the Gospels seminar, and how much he learned and grew, and I just can’t WAIT to see it. I’m so glad I’m a Christian. I’m so thankful that I was steeped in the Bible from babyhood to womanhood and now continuing my studies. And I’m so glad there are so many intellectuals who aren’t afraid to take Christianity seriously. Hoping we get to see this series on DW SOON. Love from Ruth Anne

[@CourtM]

For sure Ruth Anne . For sure . Jordan is one of the correct mentorship that I follow.. God bless you and Jordan . ❤

[@broeklien3817]

this man is such an endless wealth of knowledge and Jordan is the right guy to tie it in with all other issues. it was a delight to listen to

[@karollbrinton8317]

How long do we put up with nepotism and dangerous policies that are sure to destroy life on Earth? We need more people like these two fine people.

[@webaccess11]

I used to think the same - that GMO wasn’t harmful. What I failed to realise is that it enables farmers to spray their crops with gleeful abandon. And now we have mRNA SPIKRD CROPS TO WORRY ABOUT.

[@CaptainPhilosophical]

I think that genetically modifying organisms would be done with with high standards and hesitation. Seems like hubris to think we could modify genomes with no adverse effects. Just because we don't see detriments doesn't mean they will not arise.

[@Questforenigma]

I hear you . What muddy’s the water unfortunately is that there’s many opposing factors at play. I do think Dr Moore is correct in pointing out that the activist lobbies are being manipulated to push forward sanctions on the people for invisible and unmeasurable threats. All the while not reducing the claimed threat, but clearly taxing the people further more. Wedging our freedoms further away from our grasps. What the GMO cartel is doing though, is creating a monopoly on farming that’s keeping independent minded farmers in a stranglehold. On top of it , if the last few years have taught us anything, it’s that the health regulatory agencies, pharmaceutical and agro industry complex, have weaponized these consumer goods against the health and best interests of the citizenry. We are ill equipped to concisely express these threats in any workable manner, however, some of us have noticed the perverse incentives that are motivating them. The precautionary principle is our only defence. However those things can only be measured in time , something the takers aren’t very tolerant of .

[@kevinmurphy5878]

I was always skeptical of GMOs, and am equally skeptical of this guest. Still good to hear multiple perspectives on the climate, though.

[@CaptainPhilosophical]

@@kevinmurphy5878 yeah I am skeptical of the guest as well. For what its worth, Green peace denounces him on their website and makes some bold claims about him receiving funding from industry.

[@mrsslim9029]

Check out my comment. Research showing gmo led to infertility over 7 generations of rodents. Crushed by president Bush and PM Blair at behest of the corporations wanting to use them.

[@baswenmakers6846]

YT already giving me the blue box. That is how you know you are going to hear something truthful! LETS GO!

[@larrylucid5502]

yea? look up Patrick Moore Monsanto Roundup. Hes all about the truth.

[@Epiousios18]

I clicked on this just to see if they already blue boxed it or not. Wasn't disappointed.

[@stoyanb.1668]

Blue box? I don't see anything

[@tudortz44]

​@@larrylucid5502 How does someone show his face in public again after that ?

[@richardstever3242]

@@stoyanb.1668 Scroll down. The first thing you read is Context.

[@joeoconnor7725]

Create a crisis and capitalize on it for greed power and control

[@NimbleBard48]

The crysis was created by greed... So greed created greed. What's new?

[@CourtM]

Without a doubt ... find and read a book named merchants of Death.. that's what's going on ..

[@laraoneal7284]

God bless this man and keep him safe.

[@Spazzboy911]

the more i hear the truth, and the more it confirms my personal suspicions, the more irrittated i get that i've been so obviously lied to my whole life

[@KelleyHaines-qc4ue]

And now “WE SEE THE LIGHT & Learned*💡✅💪

[@Sneakyhorse12]

Suspicious observers is good , he goes over the science in short daily bites about 3 mins long,

[@Squidward1314]

Just as a thought experiment, can you be sure that you are not getting lied to now in this video? What makes you believe these claims over the contrary claims?

[@betterd9160]

@@Squidward1314because he doesn’t have an international politically based following, driven by incredible wealth. There used to be on KZbin a congressional hearing featuring Al Gore who was making a play to start a carbon credit banking system, (basically), which probably would have made him one of the richest men in the world. He was shut down. This was years ago and I’d be surprised if it’s still around. I don’t know if this is a viable argument but it’s the first thing that came to mind. It’s a good question though.

[@mrwriter86]

@@Squidward1314Always have this question in mind when taking on information. So important not to forget that, so great question in my opinion. On other subjects, such as food and pharmaceutical industries, I’ve been able to confirm the lies myself by doing the opposite of the food pyramid. Now I don’t take any meds and I feel the best I’ve ever felt. Yet the diet (carnivore) is vilified and will apparently kill me soon. I keep doing occasional switches back to the western food pyramid diet and within days, my issues return. It’s fascinating, and so is this video. I’ve suspected David Attenborough to be a fraud for a while now but Dr Moore has helped to add further info to consider. Whatever the truth is, something sinister is going on, that’s for sure.

[@TheJeez]

LOL I loveee how KZbin still puts their fact-checking fake-news articles on climate discussion videos. It used to make me mad but now it's just funny, I'm laughing at the desperation 😂

[@crazykiki252]

They wonder why no one trust the government, the feed us lies all day long the yell the sky is falling but your tax dollars will save us. lol. Anything the put a fact check on is guaranteed to be false

[@Dan-hl4lh]

It's actually a fact check in of itself. If there's a label on any video of any subject it has some inconvenient truth to it. Those are the videos you should pay attention to.

[@stevejohnson149]

Likewise. The crooked, pathetic govt hacks trying to maintain and steady the mind numbing narrative. We see through it all.

[@thetruthexperiment]

It’s deeply insulting and in poor taste. The backlash before it began after it was announced should have been enough to make the idea disappear but alas.

[@matthewhayes3969]

Yt gives a Feedback option on the fact check. I suggest we all use it, in an attempt to get it removed or amended

[@francisfrain6385]

If you take away people's hope in a better future then you leave them powerless and then you can get them to do anything you want them to do. Profit from chaos.

[@Mark-zz9rt]

100% great analysis

[@owenarnold7611]

At the same time....if I lived in Venice or Netherlands - 2 countries where rising sea levels are proven will have a catastrophic affect over the next 100-400 years - then it is a problem that genuinely needs to solved. Whether that solution is mass evacuation or building cities/towns on raised plates like you see in Final Fantasy 7 - either way let's not completely write off some of the climate change doom mongering. Some of it is true...

[@susiegraham3671]

Absolutely! Gives governments more power to regulate our lives and tax us into oblivion. It doesn’t seem like all the changes we have made have had no appreciable effect on weather patterns. In fact, changing from combustion engines to electric engines have created serious problems, environmental problems of mining and the use of slave labor to mine, plus the continued dependence on fossil fuel to obtain materials and run grids. It’s pure madness.

[@revmsj]

@@owenarnold7611the earth is in perpetual(-ish) motion, consistently churning land bringing the top side down and the bottom side upward and at the same time moving its continents around the globe, and shifting land under water and at the same time producing land out of the water where there previously was none. It’s so presumptuous for us to think we can build a thing and have it remain throughout time. Especially when we make such attempts right on or at the water’s edge! If you want a building to survive the test of time, you may want to consider a structure that’s as mobile as the earth on which it resides or perhaps relocate to a geologically stoic place like Mars or the moon…🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Rid3thetig3r]

​@@owenarnold7611 The Netherlands? You mean the country built by blocking sea level rise by engineering geniuses? Venice, the city built on piles driven into the bay floor, now protected by closable barriers at the mouth of the bay? Plus, 2424 is as far in future as we are now from 1624. I think there are more important things to worry about.

[@RoyNasman]

GMO problem does have a name: Glyphosate. It is the herbicide used with grains genetically modified to be immune. In research published by the University of California, Berkeley School of Public Health, scientists found that childhood exposure to glyphosate is linked to liver inflammation and metabolic disorders in adulthood that could lead to liver cancer, diabetes, and cardiovascular diseases later in life.

[@zoomby4380]

USA appears to have this issue. Europe and Australia these areas of crop growth don't use Glyphosate....banned. In Australia we can trust our veggies. As a safe guard, I soak our veggies in water (vinegar) 2 hours before steaming. 🇦🇺

[@azzy9358]

Moore said you can drink a glass of glyfosate no problem in one interview. Then refused to drink it because he is not an idiot. Well, which is it. :D

[@dirtybanana3]

this man lives in the same town as i do. we have a nice glacier overlooking the surrounding towns as well as beaches in all directions. the glacier remains the same size as it did 35 years ago when my family moved here. the sea level has also not rose an inch. we do however have about 500 homeless people swarming the town everywhere you look where as a kid we had 3 or 4...some problems require more attention than others..

[@kevinmurphy5878]

It's reasonable for people to call climate change into question. However, if it is really the kind of problem mainstream academia claims, it's gonna create a LOT of homeless people and refugees. People think we have a refugee crisis NOW (which we probably do), but it can become so much worse.

[@JordanAasen]

The Comox glacier is absolutely melting as are all the glaciers of the world.

[@dirtybanana3]

@JordanAasen yup. every year when it gets warmer. then by golly wouldn't you know it every winter its back to the exact size as the last year

[@mrg8255]

So great to have a record of this man’s extraordinary life & vision.

[@La_melodia_de_la_calle]

Yesssssss! I have been waiting for this conversation! Finally! I am so happy ❤ Two brilliant Canadian minds.

[@edwardhorvath2256]

Lol.

[@VermHat]

FINALLY!

[@Rob-me8vp]

Now we just have to get Trudeau laugh😂

[@nbafessant]

I want to push back on the quoted notion that plastic "is nothing but beneficial in the oceans" Garbage in general has harmed wildlife by strangulation, suffocation, and blockages from injestion. So i wouldn't say that plastic or garbage is "nothing but beneficial "

[@user-qv8dw2lg6b]

Thats the exception. It's more so stated as harmful to human beings. The effects on phytoplankton and zooplankton need more exploring! Much like many other invisible things. Thank you for not pushing back on an invisible issue though, kudos to that.

[@kevinmurphy5878]

It also releases a shit ton of hormone disrupting chemicals

[@mardyroux8136]

I agree. WE don't need all the plastic in the ocean. We don't need dangerous chemical pollution either. And most GMOs are something I don't want to ingest without a huge amount of study and proper regulation in place.

[@alexfinlay5162]

He stated also that “microplastics are invisible” and that “nobody has ever found any”. Dubious considering the breadth of peer reviewed studies available on the presence of microplastics at the bottom of the oceanic food chains.

[@donnafoster5215]

I listened to this interview again and Dr. Moore didn’t say what you quoted. At least, I couldn’t find it. You may want to give the reference number for your quote.

[@michaelbabbitt3837]

Ironically, Dr. Moore is the one who provides the true context of KZbin's shallow Context offering.

[@terencebrown1754]

I read Patrick Moore’s book a couple of years ago. It confirmed for me what I suspected. Great work

[@xyzmediaandentertainment8313]

Ask him ti drink glyphosate

[@katofuntato466]

@@xyzmediaandentertainment8313Did you drink it?🥴

[@terencebrown1754]

Why would you ask me to do that?

[@MantasXVIII]

This sounds like a bad way to go through life, pretty much guarantee confirmation bias. Maybe I misunderstood but it sounds like you were quite literally looking for confirmation and not for refutation

[@drts6955]

What that he's an idiot? You can't see CO2 so it can't be a problem. Fml what a tool

[@ChadOHara98]

Algorithm please boost this. People need to see this. These ideas are gamechangers for people who are hesitant on the use of fossil fuels, especially in developing countries. Amazing conversion

[@tracymclaughlinholmes677]

My mother was younger they claimed we were entering an ice age and everyone was going to die, then it was smog, then it was acid rain, then it was the oceans getting more acidic, then it was the hole in the ozone, then it was global warming, then it was the rising sea, and now we just have all over global catastrophe coming from humans and cow farts. I'm 48 years old and from what I've seen in my 48 years as we have more of a climate equalization. As in the winters aren't as cold in central Pennsylvania and the Summers aren't as hot. So we have more of an evening of a year-round temp. Which of these two will change looking at the geography of the state that I live in. Glacial till out here in the country in Pennsylvania is a big thing. We have tons of glacial till which tells me that there were glaciers in central Pennsylvania at some point in history. The climate is always changing and unfortunately from every single thing I have seen in my 48 years every single intervention has made things worse.

[@nateauld]

I have grow room (genuinely vegetables only) and CO2 is something you SHOULD add to the space to promote healthy plant life. It's supposed to be in the atmosphere as part of the plant cycle. It's as though people noticed that water vapor traps heat and they said we have to get rid of clouds. The arguments aren't even vapid for global warming, they're seemingly non-existent and just pure cultural dogma. Any time I talk about this, I find it's key to state outright that we're all against pollution and should avoid oil spills, plastic islands, deforestation, etc. but the CO2/warming arguments always amount to 'there's research I haven't looked at that's too complicated to understand/explain.'

[@joejones1991]

I don't see them banning Volcanoes which emit CO2

[@indepthmike5578]

While I'd appreciate a warmer climate where the summers and growing season is longer and palm grow further north I'm also aware that some of the most dangerous plants, insects, animals, viruses, pathogens and parasites thrive in some of the most hot and humid areas of the world such as the Tropics, in fact knowing what I know about the Tropics on earth I'd probably be more open to visiting a snow & ice planet than a Tropical planet if I had to choose between visiting either planet that was discovered.

[@thems_the_brakes]

@@jjeKKellthat is very ignorant. Do you know what molecules make up water? Hint: there’s no Carbon in there. The ocean can absorb and release carbon, but it can only release what it has previously absorbed. So it’s a net carbon sink.

[@Bori.1776]

@@jjeKKellThis isn’t the point. We can’t control nature, but we can control what we do as humans.

[@jjeKKell]

@@thems_the_brakes And do you know what element is primarily released during compost? Earth's oceans are the largest biomass on the planet IE - lots of dying organisms bubblig CO2 up and out into the world, Mr Brakes. Speaking of "brakes" next time you might consider using them. Would've taken all of 3 minutes to Google this, but you rather go Leroy Jenkins on a topic you obviously don't understand.

[@thems_the_brakes]

@@jjeKKelllol, I’m a biologist, I get it. All the CO2 released from the decomposition process was first absorbed from the atmosphere. Plants and decaying matter can’t release more than they absorb, but they can absorb more than they release. So they are considered net sinks. Every one of the fish in the ocean first absorbed carbon through the food chain, then releases it when they die. But some of it can be sequestered. Guessing you didn’t graduate high school?

[@northerncaptain855]

I remember back in the early 70’s when my college professor spouted the “The Club of Rome” nonsense indicating that by now most of the world would be dead or dying of starvation. The world population has increased about 250% since, with a dramatic drop in worldwide poverty and greatly improved nutrition. In fact the greater the world population the more geniuses who will drive the science, technology and improved human condition.

[@Jmoneysmoothboy]

We also perfected agriculture. The Haber-Bosch process gave us nitrogen rich fertilizer and we selectively bred everything to be bigger and better. Then we made machines that allow one man to do the work of a few thousand men. If the US had to feed the entire world it could and it would only take up like a state or two.

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@Jmoneysmoothboythe industrial revolution came quite a bit before the Haber process.

[@wheel-man5319]

​@@Madonnalitta1Your point?

[@mosthatedminnesotan]

This is one of the best ones to date! We need more of this man!

[@Snowdog070]

Dr. Moore talks about the 40 or so ice advances covering the country, the last of which occurred 20,000 years ago. I remember as a 12 or 13 year old after having learned about glacial advances and retreats in school or from a book (not sure) speaking about that to my cousins, aunts and uncles at a cottage on Georgian Bay. They laughed at the small boy who they thought was telling a tale. I later studied geomorphology and did a minor in microclimatology. Common folk compare their perception of earth changes to human life span periods of time rather than geological spans. That is a mistake which makes them vulnerable to mis-guided narratives like the current climate agenda. If only people would remember their high school geography classes.

[@user-qv8dw2lg6b]

Thanks for sharing! Awesome and inspiring comment :) Couldn't respect this comment Moore :P

[@Rid3thetig3r]

Agreed. A reasonable explanation of ocean temperature oscillations and Milankovic cycles, both of which exceed timespans that people can imagine, would be most useful for most people.

[@wheel-man5319]

A good authority on this topic is dr. Ian plimer.

[@Snowdog070]

@@wheel-man5319 Yes, he is.

[@chaputmi]

Many of us had a sinking intuition that we were being manipulated by the climate alarmist for years. Im grateful to finally hear other experts hash this out for the public in thoughtful long form content such as this podcast. I do have an issue with this podcast, Im hoping someone can help with. Regarding GMO. I avoid GMO. Not because Im randomly scared by things I can’t see though. My understanding is that the industrial farming movement and the inclusion of Glyphosate (aka roundup) is the problem. Farmers started to spray this toxic element on our food to the point where it wasn’t just killing pests but also killing the crop itself. The solution of simply not using so much poison and/or returning to natural techniques might seem obvious, but instead, our thoughtful friends at Monsantos, decided the better idea would be to genetically modify seeds to create crop fully resistant to the poison. Of course, they didn’t genetic modify our microbiome to be resistant, so we just ingest loads of poison with our food, and whitest doing so create all kinds of GI and other health issues. So my read of GMO, is basically (this veggie has been sprayed with so much poison that we had to modify the genes in order for it to grow…good luck with gut).

[@randomtanjnt9441]

I never thought of producing CO2 as the return of ancient biomass into the churn. Now that I see it, I see the whole Earth differently. Profound insight.

[@jacquesdemolay2699]

It has been a long while when I was wishing that those 2 gentlemen would get together and discuss - my wish has been granted and it's a happy day.

[@theengineer70]

i live off the grid. we use a combination of oil furnace and wood to heat the house. when asked about heat pumps, which never ends, i always tell the same story about efficiency: in the middle of winter, when sun and wind is not reliable, it is more efficient to burn the fuel oil in the furnace than to burn the fuel oil in the generator.

[@laraoneal7284]

Ty Jordan so much for this wonderful Dr of integrity. Such a joy to listen real science truth . TY DR PATRICK MOORE. I’m so SICK of ALL THE NONSENSE being put out there. We’re being fed nothing but LIES and punished and censored for telling the truth.

[@drts6955]

You're being fed nothing but lies, but for some reason you believe these guys aren't lying to you....

[@guser7137]

@@drts6955 🤔

[@raraavis7782]

​@@drts6955 Yeah. How would we know, that this guy actually has it right? As always and everywhere, people here opt for believing the 'expert' that tells them what they want to hear. It's sad, that even people who are aware of and care about false narratives, then proceed to completely ignore this tendency in themselves.

[@drts6955]

@@raraavis7782 exactly. couldn't have said it better

[@jennmcdavitt3782]

It's so sad to me the lies that exist and advance in the current day. Really it's quite distressing. Everything you grow up thinking you know and understand are determined to be lies. Don't misunderstand me, I'm grateful and appreciative of the knowledge that's good and true. Knowledge that I've learned from people such as yourself. But it's really quite alarming that people feel justified in lying to the degree they do to achieve their ends. I never thought i would live to see this country become so dark in it's intent when viewed in the totality. Thank you for what you do, Mr. Peterson. I'm so grateful for you!

[@Erick-di9gm]

Follow the money.

[@reasonwarrior]

It's always been this way. People of the past were either too isolated to be exposed to it or do anything about it. Early Americans were also a bit more skeptical and educated to be fooled as easily. The idiot box and Marxist schools have done a number on our collective intelligence.

[@mayetamayo7954]

Thank you dr Peterson for having dr Patrick Moore!!!!

[@madmeh2929]

Everyone knows that plants grow better in higher CO2 levels, which then leads to higher humidity and more rainfall and better crop yields. The people in charge want us to go back to the drought and famine days.

[@eddysgaming9868]

A time of scarcity and want. They will hold all the cards.

[@olalundqvist3080]

You would be surprised of the number of people saying that plants grow better with a higher level of co2 is fake news and hold the ipcc as king and god and omnipotent ruler over All things.

[@NimbleBard48]

You are ignoring the fact that higher precipitation destroys crops. Look at what happened in the UK - literary this winter. What good is some more green if green gets flooded?

[@madmeh2929]

@@NimbleBard48 You can’t fight mother nature. More water is better than less. More people die from cold than from warmth. The climate is changing and I’d rather it change for the better.

[@drts6955]

I bet you know jack s about science?

[@jamesclemens7100]

Thank you, Jordan and Patrick for the HONESTY. I realize mindless following and listening to " educated" individuals, corrupted by lust for monetary gain is easier for the MASSES, than to educate themselves on the topics. While listening to a media,as well as a government that are both criminal entities. Bless you both.

[@Varietyiskey1]

Everyone should read “state of fear” by Michael Crichton. That’s the book mentioned around the 42 minute mark.

[@pNEPic99]

This was utterly eye-opening. Thank you two for coming together for this interview!

[@vickicuzzone4223]

I am definitely going to get Dr. Patricks book. I could listen to him for hours. What a great wealth of knowledge.

[@padraigadhastair4783]

Now this is what I call I high quality Canadian production. Keep up the great work gents.

[@ArthurMcdonagh-fk7ke]

Dr Moore is a great guy and I appreciate you having him on his podcast.

[@musicfan300]

For Dr. Moore....I don't know if you've seen the documentary Genetic Roulette, but the explanation of what can and has gone seriously wrong is well and succinctly explained in there. Hope this helps! Thank you for speaking out against climate change panic!✨💫❤

[@joebob6953]

To Dr. Peterson and his team, Please arrange a conversation between Harvard-trained psychiatrist Dr Alok Kinojia. His blend of the eastern conception of mind and alopathic expertise would be harmonious with Jordan's background and make for an incredibly valuable episode.

[@glenmacdonald3477]

Always refreshing to hear from Dr Moore. Thank you for having him on.

[@joncampbell5021]

As a Canadian I always had this intuition as a child that if it got a little bit warmer maybe some of our endless frozen tundra would actually be habitable

[@laraoneal7284]

I’m going to get Dr Moore’s book. LOVE U DR MOORE. Ty again JORDAN FOR INTRODUCING US TO THIS DEAR MAN.

[@Christopher-iu6kq]

Fantastic! My two favorite Canadians! Been waiting years for this. Thank you both!!

[@robertoventrillon7624]

On the topic of GMOs. One of the main issues that I see is that most of the seeds, fruits, vegetables, etc. produced under this technic become trade marketed and property of corporations limiting the freedom of frames to practice their traditional seed swap. Please discuss if agricultural monopolies, ex. Monsanto, are not a real problem.

[@user-qv8dw2lg6b]

Pesticide/agriculture/GMO experts would probably be better suited. Look into New Zealand.

[@Questforenigma]

@@user-qv8dw2lg6bcould you please explain more?

[@oddfielder]

That and a host of other issues like the fact they are made to tolerate more pesticides which are bad for humans. He should have RFK on.

[@kevinmurphy5878]

​@@oddfielder Didn't he already have RFK on?

[@oddfielder]

@@kevinmurphy5878hmm… did he? I guess I missed it or forgot.

[@davidhunt313]

About F**king time these two exceptional Canadians got together to expose our Nude Emperors!?!!

[@th5579]

Greenland was called Greenland for a reason.

[@mi9t142]

Thank you for the great Interview!

[@ankyspon1701]

Biodegradable plastics don't disappear, they simply break down into microplastics, the very things causing the pollution!

[@gseine]

Two of my favorite people finally exchanging ideas. The world is on the cusp of changing ... for the better, a return to sanity.

[@christopherball6859]

Thanks for the interview Dr Peterson

[@robcz3926]

while I appreciate interviews like this so that we can all have a more nuanced/balanced understanding on the topic of climate change, I would very much prefer a series of public debates about it. take a scientist/researcher from the other side, maybe someone from the IPCC, and sit them down with Dr. Patrick Moore, Steven E. Koonin etc... I want to see their counter arguements in real time

[@garethmarshall7724]

Thank you gentlemen, this was incredibly insightful. What a wonderfully meaningful and varied life Dr Moore has lived, he’s a fascinating man.

[@maikel0245]

Regarding GMOs, Many plants (Monsanto) are modified to withstand pesticides like glyphosates. It's not the modification that is harmful per se, it's the fact that these plants can now be doused with huge amounts pesticides and herbicides that would normally kill them and then they are sold for human consumption.

[@Nuts-Bolts]

Can anyone think of any ‘collective action’ we can take to stop YT from putting those annoying and mostly false informational, blue banners under video? It could our chance to fight back against organisations (like YT) who spread miss and dis information without challenge.

[@Skousen77]

Use the app "new pipe" (find it at the web) and save this interview before YT remove it.

[@neilcalliou896]

Sue them!?

[@rawgasmiclove]

Class action?

[@user-qv8dw2lg6b]

The Blue Banner Means it's probably true or of value. Anyone sane knows that now. Getting rid of the blue banner is as simply as changing your perspective on it. If correcting or convincing others if the goal however, perhaps they don't want to know things that are true, or explore other view points. Perhaps there brain hurts taking in any new information and they will always disregard opinions which require looking beyond a blue box fake fact checker. They probably don't have the time, energy and mental capacity and aren't worth the utility of your effort.

[@Questforenigma]

Been wondering the same thing, sorry!

[@chrisprior1225]

I was beginging to think Jordan Peterson had swallowed the climate alarmism coolade, but this discussion proves he is seeking the truth and, furthermore, understands the facts.

[@kevinmurphy5878]

He's the opposite. He's totally unwilling to accept that there might be any manmade climate change.

[@wheel-man5319]

You haven't heard his interview with Robert Bryce? Or Judith Curry? Or Richard Lindzen? Or Bjorn Lombourg? Or Alex Epstein?

[@chrisprior1225]

@@wheel-man5319 I have listened to many of his discussions , but occasionally/previously showed an interest in the status quo opinion, but at least now rest assured he gets it, especially his statement of the greening effect. I shall tho investigate the interview with Robert Bryce, so many thanks to you for reccomending them.

[@LilaSilk]

Thank you gentlemen for this great and informative conversation also on historical aspects of environmental issues. All the very best Dr Moore.

[@meloniefowler1848]

Thank you Jordan for all the truth that you are spreading. I admire you so much, saw you & Tammy in person in BC, amazing evening. I pray for you & your family.

[@manguy2000]

KZbin control freaks are sitting at their desks, staring at the clock, knowing exactly when a JP video is about to drop so they can hit us with....ahem....fact checks.

[@HighDutchMan77]

Or "context"..........They keep pushing their commie propaganda...

[@ME-hr8dl]

Yes- interesting how they state the check as fact when it’s only the accepted narrative

[@marcusholmes7942]

Who’s facts exactly?

[@Epitome_]

​@@MarkWaffensmithcan you provide an example of an extraordinary claim that he made?

[@crazykiki252]

Sound like he knows more about the than kamilla and Joes grant suckers sky is falling Tax gimmick.

[@cg7025]

Thank you Dr's Peterson and Moore.

[@a.digdigan7289]

I knew it was only a matter of time until someone like Jordan interviews Patrick Moore. Kudos for this. Another great scientist to interview about the so-called global warming is Willie Soon. Looking forward.

[@KoenigJaeger]

For further understanding of why GMOs are resisted...the "bad thing" in GMOs isn't the thing. The issue is that GMOs are made to handle much harsher chemicals. It's about the chemicals sprayed on the food more than anything else. It's also about the control of the food system. Large corporations want to "own" the food system. There is an older documentary on a GMO food company that sued a natural plant farmer for "stealing" because their crop migrated and germinated in his field as it was down wind at some point. They attempted to take his farm.

[@cmacrii]

Thank you JP for dealing with the complex issues of our time!! Follow the Money!!

[@mosthatedminnesotan]

I came for the amazing conversation, but stayed for the comment section and all the chaos it emits!

[@afringedgentian5426]

Haha hi comment section buddy! These comment sections are like a box of Every Flavor jelly beans- never know what flavor you’re going to get!

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@afringedgentian5426I read that in Forrest Gump's voice.

[@wheel-man5319]

​@@afringedgentian5426Beware of the puke flavored jelly beans!

[@afringedgentian5426]

@@wheel-man5319 haha or the earwax flavored ones! Plenty of all of the above in this comment section!

[@Tordvergar]

Five stars out of five! As a computer scientist, I particularly liked Peterson's point that the computer models lack the resolution to account realistically with water vapor. Another limitation is that the oceans act as heat reservoirs, and appear to have long (multi decade?) cycles of absorption/release that are not modeled at all. That's a big problem, because the heat capacity of the deep oceans (I'm counting the top 10 meters as part of the atmosphere!) is 1000 times that of the earth's surface (top ten meters) plus the entire atmosphere.

[@Pelthail]

This is one of the most intriguing and informative episodes I’ve seen in a while. What a great interview.

[@danstevens1742]

Really glad you've spoken to Dr Moore. Having followed you both for some time I have wanted this discussion to happen for ages. Ever since my high school days the doomsday predictions have been ever more dire. I believed them for most of my life, partly due to their consistency of alarm and because all voices contrary were portrayed as right-wing capitalist acolytes whose greed would doom humanity. This is not the case; and the common sense voices of hugely knowledgeable scientists like Dr Moore are in short supply. Thanks to both of you.

[@borzydar1196]

It would be super interesting to see you speak with Sabine Hossenfelder. She's theoretical physicist who goes over climate change data on her channel sometimes.

[@Santor6]

I love to see and hear two professors and intellectuals in such enlightening talks. So great to have a record of this. When you talk or listen people like them, you know that has value. For YOU.

[@pouriaamani4659]

I am an early career researcher. First I started working on CO2 storage and sequestration, but through your previous podcasts, i decided to not continue on this subject. Interestingly, then i focused on separation of microplastic particles from wastewater as a great source of harm. Now, after listening to this podcast, I am a bit disapointed and have no idea how to continue with my research. It would be very helpful for people like me if you ask your guests to offer us some topics worth investigating so we can avoid all the fake hot topics and research something that has real benefit to everyone.

[@dragonmobrecords]

If I can convince you to be very scared of something and it obviously places me at great advantage over you, and does not provide you with opportunities where you can reap the same advantages I have... then I am in control. Your own fear has frozen you to do my bidding.

[@OongaBoongBoongBoo4922]

@@joshuasummers7554 California climate activists and the ability to turn off your air conditioning at will.

[@dragonmobrecords]

@joshuasummers7554 from personal relationships, politicians, doctors, scientists, teachers, bosses, cults, social groups, mass media, etc. Any can devise events that require you to give up rights or personal beliefs for a cause without you being in the inner circle of things. You backing down, relinquishing, getting out of way, shutting up, accepting reason without being allowed to question, etc gives them the advantages you and other might have obtained. It's.common sense to question claims that are designed to restrict you.

[@eddysgaming9868]

Good summary of their narrative.

[@dragonmobrecords]

@joshuasummers7554 Because, it applies to everything. The ability to control itself is broad. One just needs to learn how it works to protect yourself. If you are not able to quantify it unless it is a specific event, that is how people become vulnerable to control. When someone wanting control over you does something you like and approve, that is the worst place to be. This is how people fall victims and are unable to see why they should question the situation. These same victims/people are more likely to see others (who they disagree with) being controlled than themselves or like-minded.

[@user-ve4sm8cb9c]

Please interview this man again! He's fascinating.

[@CosmoPhiloPharmaco]

Excellent episode, Dr. Peterson! Thanks, Dr. Moore, for participating. :)

[@annkristinbarnes4596]

Sweden here, thanks to both gentlemen for an enlightning conversation! I am concerned about the environnent (but not the climate) and have had a bad concience about wearing my beloved polyester fleece jackets all year round. I feel more at ease now that dr Moore claims there is no need to fear micro plastics in the water detrimental to living organisms.

[@mattthetrucker5585]

My one pushback so far is on the GMOs. Do you not see a correlation between GMO usage and cancer?

[@Jimraynor45]

Saying something causes cancer, I think, is the desperate plea of people looking for anything negative. Everything in some sense can potentially increase your chance of getting cancer, like the sun for example. Having said that, I do think we should be concerned about the food we farm. My guess is that gmos would be bad not because they are dangerous, but that they are bred to be higher in sugar, carbs and have less nutrients, thus leading to less healthy foods, but the answer to that, i think is to encourage farmers to cultivate healthier foods, not just sweeter or better tasting crops and not merely to ban gmos, because even natural crops can be still raised to be sweeter and less nutrients as well.

[@Noah_E]

100%. I recently lost a friend to ovarian cancer at 46 and currently have another fighting leukemia. Far too many people are being diagnosed with cancer in their 30s and dying before 50. That's not normal

[@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt]

Correlation is not causation. All illness and disease are self created in order to steer us towards us becoming whole and psychically integrated.

[@Questforenigma]

@@FrancoisMouton-iu7jtMonsieur, qu’es ce que tu raconte ?

[@mattthetrucker5585]

@@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt how

[@christinat.7264]

Thank you for the sanity and common sense. At least your channel has it.

[@kwhites1012]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for doing what you’re doing.

[@kevindouglas2060]

I've been saying bits of everything here in the comments of every video on these subjects. I am so happy to finally hear people with an actual audience telling the truth. I had no hope of promoting these ideas. Thank you both so much. I will share this with as many people as I can.

[@libbie2525]

Love this! So much common sense! So refreshing!

[@magnussolberg397]

Yeeea, so just because we wrap our food in plastic (and both sperm counts and testosterone are going down by 1%/year), doesn't mean it's not toxic. I didn't hear any actual science on why plastic isn't toxic.

[@frankdevries6962]

I find it ironic that whenever I tap on any post by Dr. Peterson's there are glitches and shut down of my system. Go Figure. Thank you for your informative and factual reporting.

[@philltaylor8442]

I've watched Patrick for some decades when green pecse started! But it changed its attitude towards saving humanity and turned against the Savile of humanaty 😮very interesting podcasts thanks 👍👏👏👏👏👏👏.

[@link12313]

1:36:00 The great pacific garbage patch is very real. Ocean cleanup runs large net ships though it and catch a ton of material. Also some plastics like PVC and Polystyrene and ABS are made of carcinogenic or very reactive monomers, So as they fall apart over time into monomers or other decay products they poison everything around them with all kinds of reactive and toxic molecules.

[@Questforenigma]

We should prioritize what can be addressed most effectively with the least cost and would derive a measurable benefit.

[@mrsslim9029]

I believe this could be stopped immediately. Instead of addressing the users, the manufacturer should be responsible for the product all the way to its reclamation back into the planet. I always thought it odd that they can make incredible profits and we are blamed for using the products. Something wrong somewhere in that thinking.

[@link12313]

@@mrsslim9029 Or plastic recycling workshops could be built everywhere so people can reuse the plastic themselves. It would be an unwieldy bureaucratic mess trying to have them pay for it since the plastic changes hands so many times in the production chain of most products.

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@mrsslim9029it never used to be a problem, we bought drinks in glass bottles and groceries in paper bags. Then we were told that plastic bags would "save the trees". It's just the same bs.

[@mrsslim9029]

@@Madonnalitta1 that's only small part. The object in the wrapping is the main issue. The wrappings is just another distraction.

[@douggolde7582]

There are lies, dammed lies, and then there’s computer models.

[@wheel-man5319]

Because computer models are even more difficult to parse than statistics! Good modification of Twain's wisdom.

[@CRUSTYCANUCK]

Great show!! 2 Great Canadians promoting Common Sense!!!

[@rickthibault3398]

I love the way Dr. Patrick Moore gives a clear and direct answer to all the false scientific social/political problems. Thank you, Dr. Peterson and Dr. Moore!

[@dylanking1895]

Please, please, get Randall Carlson on the show about this subject!