Microsoft Clamps Down On Local Accounts?

[@iuse9646]

Fuck a Microsoft account

[@BillAnt]

One word: RUFUS ;)

[@Mempler]

@@BillAnt ventoy

[@Blinkerd00d]

RUFUS u just tick a box to create a local account. I have a laptop running windows 11 LTSC but for everything else I've gone Linux. I'm sick of Windows jerking us around.

[@benjammin105123]

Linux

[@abdou.the.heretic]

@@benjammin105123 nvidea :(

[@owlmostdead9492]

It’s crazy that Microsoft charges for Windows, requires you to make an account, installs adware everywhere AND data mines you. They want to quadruple dip on you while delivering a sh!t product.

[@ecchioni]

Google does the same shit.

[@robertjames4908]

@@ecchioni But google is free, so it is expected.

[@ecchioni]

@@robertjames4908 If you think Android license fees are not a part of the phone's price I have bad news.

[@narpwa]

@@ecchioni not really, if you don't pay google, they do the same shit, but like if you buy a google pixel for example, they literately support custom rom that are really easy to install like grapheneOS, same for google home, it never listen if it's not triggered (some people tried to see what it sent to google with wireshark)

[@derpaderpaderpader]

these companies found the easy way to rev; customer data and ad sales. gone are the days of a good product for the customer. its now about monetizing the user base and milking the shit out of it. Its what the shareholders demand. they don't care about good products, just return on investment.

[@Slugbunny]

Imagine having to endlessly, fruitlessly fight the makers of your OS that sees EVERYTHING we do. That's a losing proposition in every possible way.

[@SvalbardSleeperDistrict]

Logical outcome of life under corporate-driven software industry.

[@aman9das]

There are open source community driven operating systems

[@redlionstudio2750]

@@aman9das Linux :D (and maybe BSD for masochists)

[@imacmill]

I'm so happy to be 99.9% in the Linux world. I still need a Windows machine for VR, sadly, but for everything else I do on a PC, Linux offers FOSS for all of it.

[@novousabbott4926]

Manjaro is perfection but it still has it's flaws for running videogames. Otherwise it's almost perfect

[@erwinhun]

It's literally as if a construction company built you a house with cameras pre-installed and then tried to force you when you try to remove them.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

Windows is super easy. For example you just need a now literally secret cheat code to create an offline account on the computer you pretend to own because you paid for it.

[@thiesenf]

If buying isn't owning then piracy Isn't stealing... Let the Jolly Roger always wave high in the skies!!!

[@diablense]

@@thiesenf the problem is that you do bot "buy" it, you "rent" it for some indefinite time. You do not own the house you rent and you usually can't do some big changes in house you rent. The problem is that they all advertise the "rent" as "buying" and i wish we could sue them for misadvertising

[@donwald3436]

lol imagine owning something just because you bought it!!!!!!!! fml

[@roccociccone597]

well that's why I don't run Microshit's software on my computers. None of it makes it onto my machine.

[@diablense]

@@roccociccone597 microsoft really loves shooting itself in leg judjing by last two decades, they got down so much that they finally can consider fucking MacOS as an competitor😭😭😭

[@Paint2D_]

My favorite ms acount workaround is installing a Linux distro instead.

[@47coffee]

100% Never turning back from Linux. F windows and all their products altogether

[@paultapping9510]

💯

[@Wampa842]

It's quite easy to debloat and secure Windows. All you need to do is delete the Microsoft parts.

[@SnowyRVulpix]

@@Wampa842 so the entire thing? :P

[@Wampa842]

@@SnowyRVulpix No, you can leave OpenSSH, but the rest has to go.

[@BootlegGremlin]

Every day Microsoft gives people more reasons to switch to Linux

[@tacticalcenter8658]

They control linux too through Linux Foundation, Redhat and $ystemD.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

It's also said that Debian has many 3 letter agencies working for it.

[@freerice9595]

​@@tacticalcenter8658so we're using arch then?

[@Caellyan]

@@tacticalcenter8658 Likely bc they're using it. However, almost all Linux distros are open source and you know what code you're running. Debian is quite popular and any privacy concerns would've been raised ages ago if it had 1% of telemetry/spyware the Windows has - so it's safe to assume it doesn't.

[@OzWannabe]

@@tacticalcenter8658 It's also said you fall for bullshit. Can't confirm it tho

[@Alice.59]

Microsoft really want to make a forced donation to the EU...

[@rchltmedia]

let them do... make EU richer than US

[@paultapping9510]

I'm wondering when the lawsuit will come, sort of surprised it hasn't happened already.

[@trowawayacc]

Thing is EU is fine with it. As long as it spys for them.

[@milesprowerxinfinity]

Microsoft wants to cause a global shift to Linux and they want a class action lawsuit pretty badly it appears also don't use Minecraft in 2024 they ILLEGALLY went around their lawsuit and bought it anyway when they were told not to this shows how despicable and untrustworthy Microsoft really is.

[@milesprowerxinfinity]

Microsoft can see all of us write a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.

[@atjontv]

I recently set up Windows 11 Pro and the way I got around the account requirement was to say the PC is for an organization, and in the "sign-in options" I selected the "join local domain". It then let me create a local account and never asked to actually join a domain. This works both in a VM (on Linux KVM) and on physical hardware, I tried both.

[@looseycanon]

Guess I'll try doing active directory ona Syonology NAS :D

[@Raptor-y9f]

I was thinking the same thing. They can't force users in an organization to use on online account. That would enrage the entire business world.

[@starzainia]

Windows 11: The words biggest Linux advertisement

[@TheYear2525]

Sure as heck did make me switch a year ago.

[@DeadCat-42]

Im so done with making accounts for things I don't want more accounts , I want less of them

[@justinpatterson5291]

Remember when they said Windows 10 was the last version. They were right, because it's the last one I'll use.

[@donwald3436]

They did, and Microsoft would never lie right? lol

[@Mr.QuantumC0re]

Good for you! 👍 Use macOS.

[@SforSamPlays]

@@Mr.QuantumC0re as much as I personally love the OS flow, it can be very impossible unless you buy the hardware. And most people (myself included) don’t want to buy only certain hardware to use a OS from a another organization that is sketchy

[@Mr.QuantumC0re]

@@SforSamPlays I think Microsoft is sketchier than Apple lol. How about a hackintosh?

[@Deffcolony]

@@Mr.QuantumC0reYou seriously recommend macOS? It’s closed source and Overpriced hardware plus you are forced to create a apple account to use their services such as the App Store… ain’t no way I give my data to apple… I can’t believe why you didn’t recommend Linux… which is opensource and free forever… Linux does not want any accounts and you can choose from many distros oh you wanna run windows applications on Linux? Install wine that’s it… did you know the steam deck uses arch Linux as OS? Yeah so if you have steam deck you are already using Linux secretly.. I recommend myself to use Linux distro called: noboraos. It’s fedora but made to run games

[@ketsuekikumori9145]

I was heavily considering switching to linux at EoL of win10. This bit of news just sealed the deal.

[@Raven777777777777777]

Same here. Currently working on dual boot with Linux Mint Cinnamon and moving over full time if everything works as it is supposed to.

[@conjurermast]

If Microsoft ever makes the account log in mandatory for consumer versions, that would make that year immediately the year of the Linux desktop.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

Ah I remember when I still had that kind of innocent wonder and wishful thinking. I say over 90% will bend over. Sorry, correction 97% will bend over. And this is still a conservative estimate

[@Marisueksu]

Apple and Google kind of already do this too.

[@conjurermast]

​@@Marisueksu It's not the same. iOS & Android are free & that is a big distinction. I don't know exactly what percentile of Windows installs are pirated, but I think it's a massive number.. Now if you are a pirate Windows user & suddenly the choice is 1. Pay for this garbage (even if it's just $10) 2. Use pirated Windows with a Microsoft account 3. Take a look at Linux. In my mind "The Year of the Linux Desktop" means 10% desktop market share, not anything too crazy.. This would definitely help reach it faster. Sure it wouldn't matter much in the US, but elsewhere it could be very impactful.

[@Caellyan]

@@conjurermast They're slowly migrating to free-but-telemetry model. They're just making sure it has enough telemetry built-in before making it free I guess.

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

The funniest thing is you can disable their telemetry lol

[@fronbasal]

We need EU regulation on this... unacceptable behaviour from Micro$oft.

[@looseycanon]

No, not on this. We need to make it mandatory for software to be multiplatform. This way, we could all simply migrate to Linux and leave Microsoft behind, all the while still using the actually good stuff like MS Office (cause that is industry standard, sadly)

[@prophetzarquon1922]

There are too many fundamentally different architectures for every type of app to run on all hardware; even within narrow niches, intermediate languages still fill a vital role. Plus, solo devs just don't have the time, or the myriad hardware (virtual hardware is _not_ 1:1). It especially doesn't work to mandate cross-platform _game development,_ which is the main thing keeping non-technical users on Windows. Even on _the same_ hardware, cross-platform feature availability remains spotty & there's not much most devs can do about that. Once we widen the scope to the myriad other non-Intel designs, ARM CPUs, GPUs, APUs, & NPUs, there's just no way we're getting 1:1 cross-platform functionality even with a $10K FPGA... Cross-platform support, won't come from a mandate for it.

[@looseycanon]

@@prophetzarquon1922 Then permit third party porting without given consent. Community or even Valve will handle the rest

[@prophetzarquon1922]

@@looseycanon So, no copyright. Yeah, I'd be in favor of that.

[@knoxiegb1782]

I got a Win11 computer and had to use the command prompt during install JUST TO BYPASS THE ONLINE ONLY sign in. And people say that using Linux is complicated because "duh terminal"

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

Not just command line, but undocumented as well now!

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

Apparently after forever, Windows is adding the sudo command. They are desperate.

[@Kevin-nw9om]

@@goofyahdemoman1134 that's to give them easy access. Chances are there still a backdoor.

[@GabrielVilanova-n3p]

just install it with rufus or install an older build of win then update if from there there will always be workarounds, unless msft wants people moving to linux or mac, that'd be hilarious, lol

[@doomsday437]

I've only been on Linux for a little over a month now but I used the command prompt more often on windows than I'll ever get with the terminal on Linux The only time I've ever touched the terminal was to install Nord VPN which was just copy and paste commands Other than that I literally never touch the terminal ever

[@dronestrikejr]

Why is Microsoft so aggressively trying to get all our data, i rlly hate them

[@47coffee]

Almost as if they have contracts with gov't alphabet agency contractors, for the sake of domestic security as it always is of course; whilst never providing any actual security.

[@nezu_cc]

Why? Money, simple as that

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

They only want your best.

[@thiesenf]

because WE're the product that THEY sell to advertisers...

[@233kosta]

Because selling a decent product and delivering a decent service has been deemed less profitable in the short term by M$ executives than r@ping their customers for every last penny they can. Though in the long term it'll be the death of the company. It's not that out of character, actually. M$ has been quite r@pey from the start, it's just that they'd never done it to their own customers on that scale prior to w8.

[@derpaderpaderpader]

There is a law in Massachusetts that is set to go on the books that could potentially throw a wrench into m$ft's plans. by some interpretation, an account may not be required as it has been proven that windows 11 works quite well without a m$ft acct. It appears to be the most stringent data privacy law to hit any books so far. I wonder how m$ft will react, since having all that data sent to their servers could well be a huge violation of the new law. There is no grandfathering either. Only very small businesses are exempt.

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

That law might get deleted by big tech lobbyists…hope it doesn’t.

[@ilonachan]

That sounds like a really good initiative! It sounds comparable to things the EU has, but I'm not completely sure… it's certainly very explicitly good! Could the US actually be on its data privacy arc?? Fingers crossed for y'all

[@Mario583a]

Same with Google phones. and Macs. Point being?

[@derpaderpaderpader]

@@Mario583a right, cos google and apple control m$ft. use that thing that's attached to your shoulders and think a little bit before asking dumb questions. m$ft hasn't been making it harder to use win 11 without a m$ft acct or anything like that. nope, not at all. /s

[@SatoshiSky]

Switched to ubuntu full time day-to-day with the exception of my separate gaming rig that has to run windows. Never looking back, using linux is sooo much nicer

[@TheYear2525]

I guess you are probably playing games with hardcore anti cheat then? I call me so lucky in this day and age (I'm over 40, so I know how things used to be 👴 ) that I'm the socially shut in type that hates multiplayer games and thus is passively dodging all of that kernel anti cheat and insane monetization life service stuff. My hunting grounds are the indie devs, though that doesn't mean I don't have some AAA games. Steam did such a good job with Linux compatibility that I have absolutely no complaints on the gaming front. I testes the water with my "browsing laptop" a few years ago and 1 year ago or so I followed with the gaming rig. Windows 10 wasn't bad at first. But it went all ads and accounts over time and stupid pop ups for things I don't want, without the ability to say "no" or keep the popup vom popping up again. Now then came Windows 11 and I was: noooo effing waay will I install that. In comparison Linux ist smooth sailing for me now. Even compared to Windows 10 I truly belive that Linux at this point is less hassle, less annoying and simpler than Windows. The turns have really do have tabled in my opinion. I'm even considering forcing Linux onto my 80+ year old parents, who are even more overwhelmed by today's popup and what not hurricanes than my sorry ADHD butt. To save them some sanity and hopefully make them more productive in this regard.

[@itsthesteve]

I just updated windows 10 after a few weeks of it being off and it was adamant about setting up cloud backup. No. No. Skip. Skip. No thank you.

[@TheYear2525]

Hah yes, I was spinning up win10 because of some specific software I had still on there. After half a year or so. Got the same cloud bs and rolled my eyes. After I checked what I wanted to check with the software I booted into Linux again. I felt so dirty after logging into windows, I needed a shower xD . [edit:] Interesting that you had the option to click "no" ^^; .

[@pineappleroad]

If i recall correctly Windows 10 has settings that turn off the nagging about the cloud (i think they are hidden under “notifications” or something)

[@TheYear2525]

@@pineappleroad 🎤Until the next updaaaaaate! ✨

[@lotuschamp7796]

Imagine handing over your health info to the awful fuckers at amazon?!

[@ecchioni]

Hmm... Amazon or United? You are fucked either way.

[@milesprowerxinfinity]

Imagine me not using Smartwatches ever again because if people are worried about privacy they should be worried about that too and go back to regular watches which is what I am doing this Friday.

[@lotuschamp7796]

@@milesprowerxinfinity Same, regular watch and no internet on my phone

[@milesprowerxinfinity]

@@lotuschamp7796 My mom might be letting me get a digital watch this week don't kill me I'm not a kid anymore this account was actually here since I was one I only popped on it because I miss it jobs are hard to find right now I am 31 and we live in a small town the only job you can get here are factory jobs. Yes I am well aware eventually I have to get an apartment or my own place right now prices are jacking up even higher than normal I hate my Fitbit ever since Google bought it out they're also causing a monopoly it is against the LAW to form a monopoly they had no business buying out Fitbit to kill the competition I will NEVER be using ANY kind of Smartwatch again people might as well face the facts Smartwatches will NEVER kill a classic watch they're here to stay and definitely I think Smartwatches were a mistake and provide inaccurate medical information only a DOCTOR should be diagnosing you not a Smartwatch or "Fitbit" they're all junkware and stupid people get baited into it.

[@donwald3436]

I don't do either what's your point?

[@iuse9646]

Do not connect windows to the internet at all until youve successfully debloated. Most people dont block telemetry on their router so, block telemetry domains as well prior to allowing internet access

[@Emancipatriot]

any solution employed on your router isn't going to work on windows 11 with its default settings because its going to use its own dns. Therefore a multi layered blocking scheme is always a good idea. Dont just tweak your router and give up there.

[@CrucialFlowResearch]

Do not use windows at all. Period.

[@Ethorbit]

Or just don't use it. Seriously, if an Operating system is this intrusive, the solution is not to configure it to be safer, but rather use an Operating system that IS safe.

[@milesprowerxinfinity]

With Valve working on a way to mandate a Linux option I am debating on giving up on Windows all together if they utterly REFUSE to follow federal laws and authority.

[@praetorxyn]

@@milesprowerxinfinity If you have a spare SSD, give CachyOS with GNOME a try. It’s the most optimized out of the box distro I have found for gaming, productivity, whatever. Nvidia GPUs should also just work with it as it automatically sets up the proper drivers and Wayland fixes etc. GNOME is not great out of the box IMO, but it’s more stable and less buggy, so it’s the better choice when you take the time to install the extensions you need with Extension Manager and set it up to your liking.

[@dave24-73]

With no local accounts, and recall, makes you wonder if there isn’t something more going on here.

[@jeffzebert4982]

Microsoft might well be seeking to become an enforcement arm of the FBI. The reason: Microsoft might be receiving a monthly federal stipend for each existing online Microsoft account. This would be yet another method of federal government surveillance.

[@svr5423]

There are local accounts on Windows 11. I'm using one on my gaming PC. Everything else has Linux. It's just badly documented, but that's also completely normal if you work with Microsoft. I think the last good documentation I saw from them was the MS DOS 5.0 handbook. You simply can't expect Microsoft to be as good with their documentation as real operating system makers, such as IBM or Redhat.

[@HobkinBoi]

And that's why I don't wish to give any ID for any of those sites that want it for verification. Sounds like a nightmare if there's any data breach.

[@imacmill]

What's X? It's Twitter, and always will be, no matter what Mr. Potato-head says.

[@rjtablet]

Lol but its X...

[@NorthernChimp]

The ex-twitter.

[@imacmill]

@@rjtablet What's X?

[@rjtablet]

@@imacmill Who's X?

[@imacmill]

@@rjtablet Why's X?

[@MoonberryJam93]

I swear Microsoft is doing everything in their power to keep me on Linux

[@tacticalcenter8658]

They also control Linux in many ways.

[@gljames24]

​@@tacticalcenter8658 No one controls Linux.

[@blazechaos212]

​@@gljames24Such a whiner. You lose nothing by creating a Microsoft account.

[@cryptic_daemon_]

@@blazechaos212Well, by that logic, you might as well open your house door, and let strangers steal your stuff. There is no competent arguement for having an account on an operating system, when previous microsoft windows didnt need you to have an account. YOUR LOSING YOUR PRIVACY!!!

[@Brahvim]

@@gljames24 Unfortunately _and_ fortunately, no _one._ But hundreds!

[@zloboslav_]

Reminder that Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is supported with security updates until 2032.

[@semikolondev]

LTSC can be used to game too?

[@arthurborlet]

@@semikolondev why not?, it's the same

[@AiRStrejf]

@@semikolondev Yes. LTSC just removes the in-built bloatware like Cortana and the Windows Store.

[@BambeH]

There is a chance that windows 11 entreprise will release in around October (if they make it coincide with the Office suite release). Will have to see how much fat the win11 enterprise edition trims, as there is quite a bit more of it this time around.

[@fronbasal]

Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 has been released, so so so much more usable than the vanilla version.

[@IMBlakeley]

I had to put W10 on our laptop we use for travelling. Turns out my wife hardly ever uses it and when she does it is browser stuff. When W10 fall out of support I'll keep it as a VM and load provably Mint as the primary OS.

[@WilliamShinal]

I knew it! I'll be sitting here chilling on Windows 7 and Linux thank you very much.

[@nerolowell2320]

many software and most of new games dont support windows 7 anymore dont know about Linux but how do you do that?

[@WilliamShinal]

@@nerolowell2320 For stuff that won't cooperate, I use VxKex on Windows 7 to sort that out, though some apps will still refuse to work. On Linux, I've been using Debian-based distros because they're rather stable, though with extra control, you still have to be careful with the deeper parts.

[@blazechaos212]

Linux is for weirdos

[@Tyrannocaster]

Not any more

[@GoonyMclinux]

@@nerolowell2320 All the games on linux I play work perfectly the only games that don't work require kernel level anticheats.

[@Wolfrich666]

im staying with windows 10 no matter what, if things come to worse ill be running virtual machines, its my computer, not yours microsoft, i will do whatever the fk i want with it and you have no power over me.

[@echooscar5241]

Time for another lawsuit

[@braddofner]

I never cared about the requirement for online accounts to use your local computer. Now that it's being obliterated, however, it is becoming more important to me to set up an offline windows now. I don't like companies that force you into online accounts that I don't need.

[@Raven777777777777777]

Very true. It's why im working to moving over to Linux Mint Cinnamon at the end of Win 10 support if everything works as it is supposed to.

[@TwstedTV]

That mitigation for offline accounts no longer works. M$ disabled that in an update they released, people already made a bunch of videos on youtube and other video websites about this.

[@landonp629]

I just reinstalled my version of Windows 11 yesterday. It was very easy to get a local account. On the screen where it asks you to enter or create a Microsoft account, you just select 'domain join' instead. No command lines, secret hacks, etc.

[@fightingblind]

I've got a local account and got a pop-up trying to get me to backup to onedrive. Now i have a red dot by my profile cause I'm not backed up

[@NorthernChimp]

You mean not cloned

[@tw9535]

As of 2 days ago (6/29) it was still pretty easy to skip using a Microsoft account on a new HP laptop that I set up. 1. Turn OFF any Internet connection 2. As soon as possible during set up use the Shift +F10 + Bypass command 3. Debloat, uninstall, deactivate as many things as possible 4. Turn ON the Internet for the first time and go on with your life Not intuitive, obviously, but not particularly hard if you are just patient and take your time. A lot of the people who think the Shift+F10 doesn't work are just people who don't know how to use their keyboard. Some keyboards require pressing an Alt key in order for the F10 button to actually be F10. That is a keyboard design 'feature' that truly sucks.

[@autohmae]

I think you mean a FN-key

[@CrucialFlowResearch]

Or dont use windows, simple

[@tw9535]

@@autohmae Yes, I meant the Fn key. (Which requires another little hoop to jump through in changing a BIOS setting to stop it from doing that )

[@tw9535]

@Radars That's good, too. Whatever works. The bottom line is that there are still active (multiple) ways to use a Local Account and none of them are brain surgery. It's just ultra ANNOYING that they are even necessary in the first place.

[@Raptor-y9f]

You may be able to bypass it today, but what about tomorrow?

[@AradijePresveti]

That's why piracy exists

[@chrisdevries8209]

I guess the next step is using your documents for AI training data and targeted ads.

[@antilogism]

After that?---Altering your documents & presentations to insert ads targeting colleagues, vendors and customers.

[@SL4RK]

Now imagine if you have a non-standard network adapter, and windows 11 just doesn't want to work with it out of the box until you install the drivers, (I had this with a killer e2200 and early windows 10) and you can't complete the setup until you've jumped through the hoops....

[@autohmae]

Most people 'buy' Windows pre-installed by the manufacturer so they don't care.

[@rjtablet]

​@@autohmaeIf you can't build your own PC then the first thing you do is format and reinstall OS to remove bloat anways.

[@autohmae]

@@rjtablet those installing an OS, that's a minatory of people

[@rjtablet]

@@autohmae yea true i guess but there are still many tech savvy people out there that know what they are doing.

[@autohmae]

@@rjtablet luckily some do exist. Here is an interesting statistic: 50% of the kids up to 10 years old don't know what a keyboard/mouse or game controller is: all they know is touchscreens.

[@jesse7631]

You can also select using a Work or School account and it will let you bypass the signing in to Microsoft.

[@jake__]

Not on Home edition

[@antilogism]

@@jake__ One of the many reasons to pass on home ed.

[@darrinito]

I will install and use DOS before I use a cloud account.

[@Gramini]

There's FreeDOS as a modern version of DOS. Wish you luck.

[@Raven777777777777777]

Couple of days ago i have installed Win XP on one of my old laptops and its running like wild rabbit xD

[@Mario583a]

What a weird way of saying TempleOS.

[@EricS-uf9mv]

Regarding MS killing many of the workarounds, guys you can just create a Local Admin acct AFTER completing Windows Setup and then DELETE your MS Acct login from Windows in the Settings/Accounts menu

[@freerice9595]

Unfortunately I'm just sick of having to do workarounds. When I was 10, I happily would jailbreak my iPhone or root my android and install cyanogen. A lot of app dependencies were removed, jailbreaks weren't fully functional so you had to be tethered, random things would break like touch ID. Being a kid I didn't care. I had the time and patience to figure things out or wait for a patch. Now being almost 30, I don't have the patience or the time to figure out these janky workarounds. I don't care anymore. I just want shit to work out of the box. So if Microsoft is going to make things harder to work out of the box with a local account, then I'll follow the path of least resistance and switch to Linux.

[@fdgfdgdfgdfgfdgdf]

@@freerice9595 touch ID...

[@NorthernChimp]

I'm afraid any exe you install in the future will still read the name of the account you _think_ you deleted as the "device owner". Unless you dive deep in the system as explained in the video "How to Get Rid of the Microsoft Account in Windows 11" by Rob Braxman.

[@Mario583a]

""But it's the principle""

[@xNemesis_]

I really hope there are still a way to keep having a local account for MS. Because Win10 will not have anymore update soon forcing ppl to go on Win 11..

[@autohmae]

It's just a matter of time... don't know what you are hoping for. Have you heard of Stockholm Syndrome ?

[@Raven777777777777777]

I dont know about you but in my case when Win 10 support ends im switching to Linux Mint Cinnamon. Currently working on dual boot and if everything works as it is supposed to im moving over full time.

[@xNemesis_]

@@autohmae it's not like someone will find a way to counter that.. 0 correlation with stockhlom syndrome but ok

[@xNemesis_]

@@Raven777777777777777 i need Win 10 for some stuff but i'll use VMs for linux stuff

[@antilogism]

That's probably a good thing since no more surprise OS corruption or broken drivers from a bad update.

[@davidioanhedges]

Automatically backing up your OneDrive folders which default to the default user folders - Will horrify most corporations ...

[@kaziqmaziq6703]

NEVER MORE MICROSOFT! NEVER MORE ADOBE!

[@Xudmud]

One thing that I'm surprised more people don't comment on with the Microsoft account requirement is that it chooses your "local" account name (The C:\Users\foo one) for you with no visible option for you to choose your own. Which becomes a particular issue with applications that you might need to migrate settings over that use absolute paths instead of %USER%, %APPDATA%, etc. It's an odd nitpick, but honestly it's been one reason I've hated this forced Microsoft account garbage.

[@rodrigofilho1996]

I will never use Windows 11, i would go from Windows 10 to linux but never to Win 11. Fuck Win 11 spyware and bloatware OS.

[@Walter_]

MacOS and Windows are both proprietary, so i see them as almost equally as bad. It's like eating something with no ingredients/food information sticker available. Also i encounter way more windows-only apps as opposed to MacOS, so MacOS is completely out of the question for me (I can't even recall the last time i needed to run a .dmg file and it not being available for other platforms)

[@AMidgetWalrus]

MacOS is decent as a secondary to a Linux machine, but not worth purchasing for that purpose due to their price.

[@antilogism]

At least OSX is a Mach derivative which was based on Free BSD. Some will argue it's more UNIX than SVR4. Windows is based on DEC's contract work for Microsoft (NT) and doesn't have an open source basis.

[@svr5423]

OSX only has a proprietary kernel and a bit of gui stuff. Otherwise it's decently documented and works much better than Windows. The only relevant windows-only apps are games. This is why people install Windows.

[@zUltra3D]

Every day, we stray further from Windows... and closer to Linux

[@nicholaspark283]

I would like to personally thank Microsoft from the bottom of my heart. Because of them I have become proficient in Linux. I have gained a sense of freedom and privacy unlike anything I knew was possible. I have also degoogled my life and phone. 😎 Privacy is awesome.

[@gamingwelle]

I recently learned that this no local account seems to only affect the home edition. How is the current status with Win 11 Pro?

[@harryviking6347]

Microsoft is done! No more! Win 10 probably the last and 11 the beginning of the end.

[@paultapping9510]

history tells us this will be the worst windows to date. Then they'll release 12, having listened to a bunch of feedback, and scaled back the evil a smidge, and people will eat it up.

[@kazuha74]

@@paultapping9510 every time, memba windows XP, memba windows 7 lol

[@lussor1]

​@@paultapping9510w11 feels good using it

[@Raven777777777777777]

Didnt Microsoft said that Win 10 will be the last version of Windows? I guess they were right.

[@Mario583a]

@@paultapping9510 Ah yes, the history of personal preferences.

[@KevynDaquin]

linux starting to look really attractive rn

[@Mario583a]

Only if the Linux mascot was that sexy androgynous fox :3

[@landonp629]

You don't have to do any special clicking or entering of codes... You press the 'domain join' button below the sign-on screen when it asks you to use your Microsoft account. Create a username and password, and enter 3 security questions, and boom - done.

[@likebot.]

Ugh. I quit minecraft because MS threatened to migrate Mojang accounts over to Microsoft accounts.

[@justinpatterson5291]

Same dude. Only got a version on switch thst collects dust.

[@igorthelight]

Google "Minecraft Vortex Launcher". Thank me later ;-)

[@Mario583a]

So, you'd rather have Mojang keep their lax security?

[@likebot.]

bla bla bla something silly

[@Yukki64_]

Thanking Valve for encouraging Linux rn 🙏

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

Finger print or pin? That's it? Nothing that's actually banking grade?

[@robertjames4908]

So windows install gone. I don't need a windows OS to do what I need to do , and anything that needs it I can live without or use a VM basic windows install, so only limited data can be hovered up by greedysoft. The ceo needs to check his thinking.

[@SparrettCrow]

That's it, I'm learning Linux like my friends said to already do.

[@Lilly24244]

Me and any projects I'll be involved in won't ever use Windows again :)

[@Vyndiktus]

I've never had an issue creating a local account, the option "Setup for Work or School", then "Join Domain"... You won't actually be required to join a domain, but it will prompt to create a local account.

[@Kevin-nw9om]

I've also unplugged my ethernet cord and it works on 10.

[@0xC47P1C3]

Yeah goodbye Microsoft. Hello Linux

[@JulyTheNeon]

Before my recent upgrade to linux mint, I had some sort of microsoft account issue that made me signed out and technically a local account every time i logged in for the day, it begged me to sign into my account again a way that required task manager to say no to, and at one point didnt let me sign in until i finally gave my microsoft password (which still kept it as a local account for some reason??) Gotta say, i do not miss those prompts at all. I'm missing out on one thing, minecraft bedrock edition, and I'm *really* not all that torn up about it.

[@gordonpearce]

You can create a local admin account after install, then delete MS account. Did it last week on my SP11.

[@NorthernChimp]

Illusion. The apps you install afterwards are still reading the "device owner"'s name, and it's no other than the one you think you deleted. Watch the video "How to Get Rid of the Microsoft Account in Windows 11" by Rob Braxman.

[@Styphoryte]

Haha on Microsoft, for some reason this time when my HDD died i reinstalled Win 11 and ofc i did want to create a local account but this time Window didnt automatically install my network drivers so i literally couldn't sign into a MS account when setting up if i wanted to. I had to use this CMD workaround to enable "Offline Windows Activation" in order to even create a local account. Ridiculous man... DEFINITELY use local account if you plan to do a BIOS update or else disable windows hello and your Sign on PIN. Or risk losing that user account after the Bios update. Happened to me... 😢

[@thiesenf]

sudo rm -rf Microsoft *

[@jirib.8280]

That workaround with Shift+F10 and oobe... doesn't work anymore on newer versions of W11 install. Looks to me that only Rufus workaround and invalid email entered like 50x work.

[@jag0937eb]

More like surveillance report 1984.

[@htopherollem649]

isn't it much the same with Samsung phones and having to sign in to a Samsung account in order to update Samsung apps (or be allowed to use them in certain cases)

[@kristianTV1974]

@htopherollem649 yeah, but I hate Samsung 1 one thousandth as much as I hate MS.

[@IMRROcom]

I never had a Microsoft account, tell I ended up with a Windows 11 PC. I did not want or need a Microsoft account.

[@Oxxygen_io]

If I am forced an account for win 11 im just dropping off to go Linux and game with Proton. Any games not working with that will be returned via Steam. I’m done with this crap. Last 10 years working has been a mixture of Linux and MacOs. Which are both superior in every way other than game availability

[@roadrunner_meepmeep]

I've been trying to register my legitimate shrink wrapped copy of Microsoft Windows 10 since I bought it. So much so I've even bought those extra discount keys even. What do you do when all that server back end on their end does work or stops working. We've seen it happen already en masse with old software and games that are no longer supported, and the company has long ago shut down the servers you register with or talk to to function. You may think, well, Microsoft will never go away, and perhaps not, but they will declare something obsolete and shut down the servers it requires to operate. Google did that with Android Watches, it shut down the Android Wear store, and suddenly millions of Watches stopped working. Apple does it with their old phones, that no longer can download anything from the software store, if you could find anything that still supported them anyway.

[@BLASTIC0]

clearly Microsoft is NOT a monopoly and is OK with competition... i mean.. if they were... they would be forcing its users into things they do not want and they aren...... oh wait. oh.. and what about Caption8169? Have you still not had time to answer his parecon question?

[@Raven777777777777777]

For now im working on dual boot with Linux but when Win 10 support ends and everything works as it is supposed to im definetly moving to Linux for good. I dont like the direction technology is moving in and it makes me wonder whatever happened to privacy. If this continues we are all screwed.

[@alt666]

Microsoft loves giving us reasons to use literally any other operating system. The steam deck was a good way to get used to basic linux and i know im gonna be switching on my new pc. If i absolutely need windows i can just use a virtual machine. The only microsoft thing i need is windows media player.

[@Flynn217something]

Oh no! Who could have foreseen this inevitable slide down the slippery slope? Oh yeah *ME* and ever other "tinfoil hat" wearer who called this when win10 launched. 😂

[@ripplesnake]

Fuck Microsoft I'm switching to Linux. Windows 12 is going to be loaded with tons of AI programing

[@FizzlNet]

Currently downloading ubuntu. Today installing in my media center. Tomorrow on my new desktop. This has been a transition 20 years in making. Mandatory online accounts and Recall were the last straw.

[@surveillancereport]

Good for you!

[@erwinhun]

Sweden is hardly a "high-crime nation" but digital scams do happen and it's a problem.

[@RaidenKaiser]

I'm wondering if windows isn't profitable anymore and they are trying to annoy people into using an ms account to make it easier to force targeted ads on them to make up for that?

[@TriforceOfCourage97]

lol. a lot of you use linux? no, not really, 72% of the world uses Microsoft Windows, linux is just 4%.

[@Maisonier]

This is a pivotal moment in the history of software development and operating systems, especially considering the rapid advancements in artificial intelligence. AI integration is reshaping how software interacts with users and how applications are developed and optimized. It's a turning point, and people should start making the switch to Linux soon. Personally, I believe Linux Mint is the best option for anyone transitioning from Windows.

[@valasdarkholme6255]

For now, I'm sticking with W10. working on a gradual switch to Linux.

[@AdmiralBison]

Linux NEEDS to improve its packaging standards and be more user friendly. It's one of the things holding it back from mass adoption. I'm more annoyed with Linux than Microsoft.

[@Silv3rDragon]

Forcing a Microsoft account would send me to Linux faster than anything.

[@sorenvalen]

my big issue with setting up microsft account i dont want to littery sign into my micorsoft account ewith my 20 digiet password everytime i i turn on a off my comptuer

[@Mario583a]

One literally wont do this less there is a major change such as BIOS update or what have you.

[@aeebeecee3737]

You don't need to connect to internet to login to your computer, if your computer is really yours -- Linux

[@Multrakiller]

Effectively turning Windows into a Service.

[@jamestillman5247]

Im an IT tech and recently tried setting up a new windows laptop woth win 11. The method described failed over and over again and the only recourse was to fail at creating at typing in your password to a 365 account over and over again for like 20 times before it gave us the option to bypass. Im on linux full time at home and will abandon their os for anything personal in the future and moving my cloud storage and sync to mega.

[@LordKaiser003]

I'm tired of Satya Nadella, Brad Smith and their cronies.

[@thomastoadally]

I jusy changed mine yesterday to a local account no sweat!!!!

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

Micro$oft: _The NSA Company._

[@adamn9662]

Workaround that most people seem to miss to create a local account. Choose to set the account up for "Work or School", then select "domain join". It will completely skip the Microsoft sign in process and let you create a local account, it never actually forces you to join to a domain.

[@lussor1]

Its easy, choose join a domain instead of personal account

[@bloodniece]

Home version does not have that option

[@antilogism]

Years ago I had run a domain controller at home and that's easier than ever since a Raspberry Pi can host that these days.

[@antilogism]

@@bloodniece Home is also missing the Group Policy Editor (gpedit) so personalization involves using regedit. Home is so crusty it's not worth it eveing if it's free.

[@lussor1]

@@antilogism on the pro version you click Join domain instead and dont even need to join one

[@a9503128]

This won’t be an issue for privacy or security, government won’t issue Microsoft a warrant to take over your account.

[@sphbecker]

Could you please look into lip syncing your audio? It isn’t just off by a little bit; it’s major. The guy in the upper slot is fine, so the issue is with the audio timing of the lower person.

[@Rtx9070ti]

Flying at the speed of light towards linux rn

[@joroc]

Everybody talking like they don't have android and Apple telemetry 💪

[@hamishthecat4370]

I use windows to run my own third party programs. I have no interest in windows programs apart from their own maintenance apps.

[@realJohnJohn]

what linux would recommend to switch to?

[@47coffee]

Stock debian will fit most, there's also mint and cinnamon that will fit the bill for most. Just don't bother with Ubuntu distro, ubuntu is trying to be the 'microsoft of linux'.

[@knghtbrd]

New to Linux? Mint or Pop! If gamer with recent GPU, Pop! OS. Gaming on Linux takes some doing still, but you'll have the driver situation sorted. Mint otherwise. Debian for servers.

[@DBBravo]

Mint or Pop_OS. If your use case is basic browsing and computer tasks and you enjoy eye-candy and kind of a brainless transition from windows try ZorinOS. But Mint and Pop also have amazing hardware support and will encourage you to learn about the OS, and the community is more fond of the teams behind these 2 than Zorin

[@paultapping9510]

"takes some doing" is overegging it a bit. If you game mostly on steam, it's a case of changing one setting in the steam client via the menu, and the vast, vast, majority of any given steam library will just work.

[@ozzieggg]

Consider Manjaro KDE. I've postponed going linux for almost 10 years because everytime I tried a debian based distro people recommended(ubuntu, mint etc.), the thing would break in creative ways the moment I needed some non-ancient package versions. I have Manjaro installed on 5 different machines and they have yet to break in a way I could not fix for the past 5 years.