Microsoft Flight Sim 2024 VR - What a Mess :(

[@hanskrohn]

I made several attempts to use FS24 in VR, and it never worked well. There are the unresolved VR mouse bugs, blurry textures, loading problems, random CTD, and the icing on the cake: failure to load at all! Very disappointing, and a missed opportunity to shine for MS and Asobo. I went back to FS2020 and will stay with that sim for a while - it has made me a happy simmer for the last 4 years, and it will continue to do so for the foreseeable future! Seasons Greetings to you Steve, and to the whole simming community!

[@jerryrivera4298]

I felt quite validated when you mentioned the Sim not being consistent. One day you get a certain performance, and the next you get another, even flying over the same location with the same settings and same plane. At least it is good to know that I am not the only one with these issues.

[@burtleboeuf1429]

Exactly this, I had a tremendous session 2 weeks ago and everything looked fantastic. I have been utterly unable to recreate that since.

[@faziolifairmont8125]

its a vram buf. try using medium texture setting

[@geraldthomas8019]

Man I only play MSFS for VR I had a bad feeling about 2024 so I never brought it. Still enjoying 2020 I’ll be back in 7 months keep us updated

[@blastofo]

I go back to 2020, but then I miss the better aircraft selection, and the small details 2024 does better. 2024 is still pretty decent for challenges, activities, discovery flights.

[@peterrussell5216]

Cheers for the comment, I'm exactly the same, I'm still loving 2020, we had alot of the same problems at the start with 2020, it's working like a dream and still get blown away every time I fly, It's bad enough learning all the new menus and layouts, without having all the bugs and problems, I'll treat myself to it next christmas when it's working correctly, should never have been released till it was 💯 anyway lol

[@Hrshgn]

Give it a try if you can. Not everyone has all the problems that are reported. For me, 2024, despite the many bugs that DO exist, is miles ahead of 2020 both in GA and Airliner flying. Graphics, immersion, loading times, smoothness and even the VR experience is better for me than in 2020. That's with Valve Index, 3080 and 9800X3D, FBW A320N.

[@geraldthomas8019]

@ I can’t give it a try now with those issues especially as I only fly vr. I was introduced to msfs 2020 super late so it had all the bugs out of it when I played it. So I can wait on this

[@loiphin]

Thank you for being so candid. MS/Asobo needs to hear this about their expensive pile of steaming poo

[@EdVelKey]

I agree 100%. This is an alpha test that we are paying money for.

[@ligmasack9038]

just like MSFS2020 was, and remember that all this content they are hyping for 2024 like the Career mode were supposed to be in 2020. MS and Asobo lied to everyone, and then pulled the Rug with 2024.

[@stephens2135]

I've had every single problem you've described. Plus raytraced shadows do not work in VR which was promised by Asobo according to interviews with other content creators (I'll send you references, if someone doesn't believe me). There was also talk for months before release that quad views was coming and that VR was it's own platform. I expected that with 800 people working on the product for 2 yrs, surely they would have at least a couple people working on VR. So far it doesn't look like we have any new features. Actually it seems we have less than MSFS 2020. In one interview, Jorg did not seem aware that Windows 11 24H2 would render his Reverb G2 useless; and he's the head of Microsoft Flight sim. This is really disappointing, especially for someone who owns an XR-4.

[@saschpe]

Same same. For the time being, I just do the world photographer / sightseeing thing in MSFS2024. VR is unusable and CTD hurt a little less in those 5 minute missions.

[@jawjaboy58]

Being an old QA tester, I am ASTOUNDED that Asobo released an unfinished and buggy product to meet a deadline. Instead they let the customers flush out the bugs and submit issues to the developers. I think we need reimbursement for doing their QA testing!!!!

[@Thunderbird1337]

Fully agree, the extremely blurry ground textures also annoy me the most. I tried the Map Replacement Mod, but for me it just doesn't work properly, no matter what I try (Goold Maps, Bing, with or without deleting the Cache etc). The textures are in many regions so bad that it's simply no fun because it destroys the immersion. You fly over Bora Bora and everything looks like crap because the textures look like a blurry pixel mess. It's so frustrating because this is something which could be solved so easily without big performance drop. But I think MS will never fix this. Even if the server issues are fixed sometime. The Bing map material is simply garbage in most regions of the world besides larger cities.

[@meyerch-de]

For me 2024 runs much, very much smoother than the 2020 in VR. I had the loading issues (blurry textures) only at the launch. Now it loads everything in time with no lags. Not everything is perfect and there are things to be improved (ofc), but the only "real" issue I have is the round mouse button. It's not centered, you have align it to the top left.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Could not agree more Steve. I honestly think that unless you are just flying bush trips in basic aircraft, it's a terrible mess. We shouldn't have to put so much effort into getting a native VR game running well. Great video as always.

[@nathanielshaffer7434]

For someone who’s new and getting into flight sims, would you recommend going 2020 or 2024?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@nathanielshaffer7434 mate I'll chim in, 2024 looks beautiful, but it's got its issues. If you have good internet and a reasonably good PC, get 2024, they are bound to smooth everything out over time. 2020 is very mature now though, lots of add-ons, and still an incredibly well polished sim these days and will run very smoothly compared to 2024. Hope that helps.

[@saschpe]

It's even a mess in free flight. If you care remotely about simulating real flights (because maybe you're practicing for PPL), it's a hilarious adventure. Sure it looks good but it shouldn't crash that often and planes should give the impression that they saw QA at least once.

[@stephens2135]

To be fair, I think there are alot of things that MSFS 2024 does right. Even though framerate is lower, it seems much smoother to me than 2020 was. I love the new foliage and seasons in 2024; and the lighting engine and sky...magnificent! The less squirrelly behavior of planes on the runway and physics engine are also impressive including ground tessellation and water physics. The models of buildings in places such as Aspen look like real life! The people in 2024 can actually look like real sometimes and less like the plastic zombi people of 2020. The ground detail and texture quality are a massive improvement over 2020 when it actually fully loads. I love that they changed the size of the moon and sun in 2024 to look the right size in VR. The new dem from Vexcel imaging is superb in VR! It's so good, I honestly can't go back to 2020. There is so much that I didn't mention...time fails me to comment on the incredible plane and ship models. The scenery is less blurry and brown like it seems in 2020 and this makes a huge difference for me using VR. There's so much that nobody talks about. So Asobo and Microsoft have made massive improvements to the new version. So they are listening to the community. Unfortunately, there are alot of very irritating bugs that we thought would be non-existent after the growing pains of 2020 and we still don't have some basic features of VR implemented that would make MSFS 2024 the killer app. So I'm just waiting for 2024 to improve and actually deliver ALL the features that got us all excited to get it in the first place.

[@JonahCBR]

I can weather out most of the bugs and data loading issues. What I can’t forgive is the game breaking VR bugs such as the mouse and more importantly the vr toolbar. I anxiously read through the patch notes and not one single VR update was made. As somebody who only flies VR, it’s a gut punch and shows us their priorities are elsewhere.

[@nummer8282]

Thank you so much for stepping out and being a voice of the VR community that is seemingly left lowest priority in any patching considerations so far! Hopefully more will follow and it will be recognized by those responsible...

[@Yppengasse28]

VR is not the lowest priority when patching, trust me the basic sim is still just a low texture mess for me and I'm not using VR. Back to 2020.

[@nummer8282]

It's not only that. The EFB is unusable and the toolbar is not working, just to name two core features. And if it's not for that, you will see different images per eye due to an issue in transparency, e.g. you can see city lights and airports through clouds at night on one eye but not on the other or see exhaust heatblur whithin the cockpit on one eye but clear on the other. The list could go on and on. Currently VR in 2024 is in an alpha state, at best. It's all the issues from 2D PLUS a big pile of game breaking bugs on top of it.

[@CaptainHelisim]

I could be wrong but it feels to me that if you have 2020 and you've been keeping up with it in terms of DLC to make it something really good, that you can pretty much add a little more DLC to provide essentially what 2024 offers for a fraction of the cost. It's not that 2024 doesn't promise a lot or offer the *potential* for a quantum leap, it's that it actually delivers so little that it comes across as a minor SU update that could be delivered through third party content for less.

[@kevint1719]

It's not perfect but I had endless problems using VR with FS2020. Often it took me longer to get it all working than I was able to play in it. With FS2024, other than on the infamous launch day, I have not had a problem with VR. It's just plug it in and play. I'm using a Quest 3 via Virtual Desktop on an i7 / 4070 Super PC. I have noticed streaming problems but they have yet to spoil my enjoyment. It's such a relief to me to be able to load it up and have a flight without putting aside a few hours to sort out any issues that the other stuff is trivial to me. I'm also very impressed overall with the graphical upgrade.

[@Chiefcheeseofcheddington]

100% with everything you’ve said. It’s an amazing sim and utterly diabolical at the same time.

[@flyingpig7203]

Yesterday I was flying a ‘first flight’ in Germany and came across a 4-5 story tree! It was simply enormous. And the conversations the AI has the passengers say…. Oy.

[@sascenturion]

Totally agree with everything you mentioned .....👍

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thx for watching mate 🙏

[@HonYip-j6o]

@@VRFlightSimGuy same here its a mess

[@arenomusic]

It's like Microsoft completely forgot how to make a functional game because they're too busy salivating over all of the new ways to collect your data

[@JSmith73]

I bought my Steelbook because pretty and to cancel my Gamepass; tried it for a few hours and found things as buggy as expected - parking it for 6 months solid before wasting any more time on it. DCS World and iRacing are very solid right now.

[@taiser_35]

Control bindings are a mess, especially if you have multiple controllers in a simpit, I had a paid plane from 2020 that worked fine at first in 2024, now it's disappeared from menu!!! My sound also cuts out. The EFB in VR can't be reached with the cursor. If I go to the menu during a flight then back in game , the cursor no longer can click or highlight any cockpit controls. That's just a sampling of my problems... I'm sure eventually it will be corrected but they obviously rushed this thing out...

[@MikeInExile]

>>>> " If I go to the menu during a flight then back in game , the cursor no longer can click or highlight any cockpit controls" Same here. But if you exit VR and then go right back again, the curser/mouse will start working again.

[@taiser_35]

@@MikeInExile Good to know!

[@Albert_the_Albatross]

Your paid plane is probably in your “Library” but disabled. To find the Library, open the Marketplace and you’ll find a “Library” tab with all your old content disabled. You can enable old stuff from 2020, but it doesn’t necessarily work that well (my beloved Kodiak being a case in point :( )

[@taiser_35]

@@Albert_the_Albatross Found it!!! Question is why TF would it get disabled on it's own? I never disabled it.... :(

[@JM1701ABCD]

It’s bitterly disappointing because of the way the Asobo team talked about VR leading up to the release. Made my purchase for the top tier package because of that.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

💯

[@lurchilurch5507]

That's exactly what it is! Just awful

[@jamessimmons8352]

Same here

[@WhitehouseProds]

Me, too

[@jules611]

Msfs 2024 give me better images Quality and smoother experience than 2020 in VR . Still , i was expecting more than that . There are still many little bugs but the servers are working pretty fine down here in Canada. I am using Quest3 , virtual desktop on a 4070ti . Thanks for your work.

[@SparkySven]

Thanks 4 shaking the VR tree at MS / Asobo because yes, barely fly in FS24 and removed FS20 so yes those 3 annoying VR bugs that are sim braking should have been fixed already. Don't mind minor plane bugs and many items going wacky as long I can just start & VR flight, access the toolbar ALWAYS and EFB not working at all in VR is so bad. I hope they will address it asap but like I said after their latest dev stream it's looking to be SU1 in Q1 of 2025 and they are all in X-Mass holiday mode I'm sure but would be nice to have thel VR bugs fixed sooner.

[@flyhalf2]

I guess the move to "cloud gaming" is for console users, or could it be getting ready to make FS a "service" where you rent time on the server

[@randykamindo4795]

I recently got a refurbished Quest 3 and the stock experience is uncomfortable. After adding all the accessories and VD (head strap, lens inserts, facial interface, and VD), it looks like its a better deal to just enjoy the sim on a regular monitor and possibly upgrade my GPU for a better 4k experience.

[@ShreddingFinn]

My biggest gripe in VR is certain planes (like the ever popular vision jet) have big problems in vr with menu or tablet. Where as other planes it works like a charm. I'm rocking VR in straight low with dlss and getting good enough results. 3060 i7-6700 32 gb ram

[@jagwal1]

I am just stunned how you guys can make any content at all, as so many users including myself (or better..beta testers) report ctd's , bsod's and memory problems . Even with high -and top end PC's. I have not been able to put a longer than 10 min flight in.

[@richavery66]

Same here. I've tried everything I can think of to get it running: core isolation disabled, optimisations and HAGS on & off, different sizes of paging file, different sizes of rolling cache, various graphics settings, etc. I'm trying to run it on a new StormForce PC which was, of course, set up and tested by them. As my RAM is running at its advertised 5200 MHz, I assume that they enabled the RAM XMP in the BIOS (I haven't checked this yet, though). I have read that disabling the XMP can help eliminate CTDs, but I'm loathe to weaken my system.

[@megachill]

Bloody nightmare. On a gigabit connection 5 mins to load in and then when finally getting to target airport, you land under the runway etc... Best part they wont be able to fix this quickly no hotfixing.... well because thin client... could have told you this garbage would backfire...

[@desmodromic4586]

If you want better VR Steve you NEED to open a official feature/BUG topic and animate your viewers to Vote it up somit gets on Asobos radar screen

[@saschpe]

I am sorry but it does not work that way. Raising bugs in the forum (and previously on Zendesk) has almost zero effect. There are day one MSFS 2020 issues which have never been acknowledged. There are other issues introduced in various sim updates (SU5 and SU9 in particular) that have never been fixed. MSFS 2024 won't be any different. They did those three hot fixes and went into vacation mode. Next chance for fixes will be the first sim update "early" next year. Finally, you have to get past forum moderators with your bugs. I've had multiple closed because the mod was of another opinion. Most famously "works as designed". The only way to get some attention is to create content on other platforms that don't get the MS corporate filter. Like YT :-)

[@warrenbriggs7449]

I won't even think of trying it until you say it is ready. 😊

[@mastermachetier5594]

Its funny cuz the VR experience is so amazing when it works well. I get a lot of crappy textures on buildings from streaming. But I am sticking on it honestly cuz it can be so fing good.

[@lurchilurch5507]

Which parts make it so amazing for you vs 2020?

[@dcramsey08]

Yeah I feel addicted to it and frustrated in equal measure. I flew last night and all my windows went completely black lol, it's a new bug every night almost

[@mastermachetier5594]

@@lurchilurch5507 Looks better, sounds bettter, feels better and career mode is fun AF. Of course thats when its working.

[@mikecroshaw9233]

@@mastermachetier5594it only looks better if you don’t fly over a major city at anything below 500m .

[@jmskelly59]

Hey Steve. I agree 100% with you. The VR menu issues seem like such a quick fix and its SHAMEFUL that Asobo have done nothing to address these things! Performace with my 4080 5800X3d system is pitiful unless DLSS is used which looks far worse than MSFS2020. Really hope Asobo get the finger out soon and address these issues.

[@Glider324]

Companies are using dlss to get better performance rather than optimising the code

[@Cal3000]

It's crazy that TAA doesn't work with my Quest 2. It was working on day one but decided not to work anymore. It just freezes when I switch to it in VR. I have to play the game in blurry DLSS

[@acratone8300]

I have had some of these issues (like on rare occasions there are no engine sounds but the other sounds are there, like ATC voices). But never once a slow internet service or incomplete or blurry scenery. That just does not happen to me, ever. I enjoy 2024 way more than 2020. (I live in Western USA and there is a rumour that West USA server is the best in MSFS 2020 and 2024). There are some nice things. The default ATC has better voices, and more detailed menu of responses. Also the sim can see if ground vehicles are going to be moving into your path as you taxi, ATC will tell you to hold temporarily for "traffic". One time, I saw the fuel truck arriving when I called. I was in external view and could see it stop short. It was waiting for a ground crew guy to walk across. When the guy had moved out of the way, the truck started moving again and continued on towards my plane. It also takes more time for the fuel truck to arrive, a long time. Which is more realistic.

[@gazh2166]

I’ve lost weeks testing and tweaking this game to get it good in VR. Waste of time. It performs differently everytime you launch it even without changing the settings. Unfortunately I’d lost hours tweaking before I realised this. The number of times I’ve been all ready to play and had to abandon it due to poor performance. I don’t have time for that. 2024 is getting shelved here for a while. Back to 2020 for me today.

[@gflo2781]

My worry is when they 'fix' those blurry ground textures, what do we see happen to the performance and bandwidth consumption? Almost feels like they're getting away with some of the performance gains primarily because the resolution is so low on the ground. In terms of the toolbar issue, my fix is clicking on the screen once and then retrying the key command (in my case shift + tab), has fixed the issue 100% of the time for me. With the laggy mouse i found that toggling the cockpit zoom (with the second mouse button) seems to resolve for me - hope these tips help!

[@christopherlow4461]

No question 24 needs a lot of work in the VR department. For every flight I try in VR in 2024, I do the same trip in 2020. 2020 is crystal clear, smooth. I have high end settings and live traffic. To do the same flight in 24, I need no live traffic, and setting at medium. I have a 13900KF, 4090, 64gb ram and Varjo Aero. MSFS 24 is just not optimised for VR.

[@arizonastrummer]

I think the biggest issue with MSFS (both versions) VR is that you have no hand tracking or ability to do some kind of mixed mode where you can see some of your peripherals. Also, the very simple fix of not having on your monitor that silly left and right view so others watching can actually see what you're doing. I have been forced to get a program called VoiceAttack which maps spoken commands to key presses to have any chance at all of flying easily without having to constantly lift my headset to see my keyboard. It works great by the way. The views are not bad actually. My rig is by no means high end.

[@walley2637]

i have been thinking the same things. one day i will have a great VR experience and everything seems to be smooth.. then the next day i log in and take off from the same airport in the same plane and its all studdery and choppy to the point it's unplayable. i don't know what changes because my settings stayed the same and i have 3Gbit fiberoptic internet so it cant be a streaming issues for me. i'm starting to wonder if some of the updates they are doing are affecting it?

[@PCVRandQuest]

I absolutely love it. Every time it works, when it works, which is 60% of the time

[@lieblingsleguan1591]

Oh, you are right, this quote is perfect for describing the game 😂. 60% of the time it works everytime!

[@PCVRandQuest]

@lieblingsleguan1591 😆

[@HowlerBikeVlogs]

What i hate most is that efb thing. In the skyhawk for instance its mounted to the passenger side window, where you can interact with it, but if you press tab to bring it up as a window, it becomes inopperable, cant click it, or drag it out of the way. This makes it almost unusable in aircraft that dont have a holder for the tablet. Only way to use it then is to go into the pause menu, press tab, manipulate the efb to show what you need in flight, then resume flight and press tab. Hate it since its a very handy device for career mode if it would work properly.

[@blastofo]

Weird issue with VR is the Cessna Citation always has a big display of a taxi lane label plastered on the screen that I cant get rid of.

[@bartdeal3571]

I haven't been able to enjoy any MSFS 2024 in VR because I've spent all my time so far manually configuring my Turtle Beach VelocityOne flight deck because ASOBO's failure in the control setup. I'm about to delete 2024 and go back to 2020.

[@brandonchappell1535]

Same same. I just wanted to punch out some ifr on the weekend and was constant crashes, i did find bumping memory voltage from 1.35 to 1.36 helped. I did have xmp enabled but that little bump seemed to have stabilised it, although who knows if it was that, its like building a house of cards in a hurricane at the moment

[@poolhallshark]

Hello, Buddy. I see most people in the comments agree with you, but I actually don't. The sim has behaved REALLY well for me. No blurry textures and not a single CTD so far. I HAVE seen a black MFD in the Vertigo a few times, but I'm mostly very happy. I even found out how to get the toolbar to work, so now I can change weather and stuff while I'm flying, just like in the 2020 version. I do have a 750/750 internet speed, so that may be part of it, but I guess server capacity problems has nothing to do with my potential speed. I'm not saying that the sim hasn't got its problems, like the marketplace, but when I'm FLYING, I have had amazing experiences for the most part. Basically same setup as you, just a tad weaker cpu (i7- 13700k ) Also using the Pimax Crystal, not the Light. Let's hope that Asobo will get a move on, before people lose their patience completely. Greetings from Norway ♥♥♥♥♥

[@cammy9r]

Yes, that is my experience too. Lately I have been getting the heat blur plume in the cockpit of the Draco. MS/Asobo know they eff'd this one really badly but I can't think why as it is not their first sim. I'm back to fs20 until it gets sorted. It works well enough for me in flat screen, but who wants that when there is VR. I hope we get the option to dl as much as possible to limit streaming, I have 2TB waiting for my favourite areas. As you said in time it will be a great sim.

[@stevenrapp3217]

Many Thanks for your very Honest Review......yes.....it is extremely frustrating and extremely enjoyable at times, but I'm in hopes things will eventually improve. It's not only ALL the things you mentioned that is frustrating.....but also some of the aircraft that just feels uncomplete or slopped together. I've been trying to just look at all this as an "Early Access" program and while it wasn't put out there as such.......it sure eases the frustration. (BTW.....I found if my mouse stops working.....if I just switch from full screen and back again, that usually fixes it without having to go out to a menu. (alt-enter)).

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks Steven, I appreciate your comments and tips! Very useful, I'll try that next time.

[@SK-wv8gb]

I have a huge fps drop when flying at high altitude and looking down to the pedestal, it almost cuts the frames in half. When flying through clouds and looking sideways, it flickers like crazy. I fly MSFS again for the near future.

[@calypsodawson9368]

Couldn’t agree more, but it not just the vr bugs, it’s the career mode ones and helicopter ones, not to mention post this last update, there’s certain airports that are just complete stutter fests, all they e said is for this it’s fixed in the dev branch but not sure yet when it’ll go live.

[@channelvr1293]

I still haven't bought it... I used to be a beta tester for just about every sim out there... now getting older, I'm getting more and more patient.... still enjoying 2020... and patiently waiting for my RTX5090 🎉

[@b1lleman]

This. I have no patience anymore debugging stuff like before, but I have patience waiting for it to become better some day 🙂

[@jameslee-pevenhull5087]

MSFS2020 'blurry horizon'. My eyes have astigmatism. I wear varifocals. When I had HP Reverb G2, it was my Distance numbers that gave a focused image. That was Great. I have Vive Pro 2 now and the Single Vision specs for Reverb G2 are not correct. I bought a pair of specs with my Mid Range numbers. They are almost there, but not perfect. So I have slightly blurred everything. Seeing the runway from 5 miles is OK, so that is fine by me. There is usually a lot of dust and humidity blurring the horizon in RL, so IMHO, it's fairly true to RL.

[@leedove7255]

VR for quest 3 is working great. I also have no issue with streaming and get in quicker than 2020. The only issue I get apart from apron popping is the occasional CTD. I think blaming the streaming aspect is incorrect as when I monitor network activity is is hardly any different to 2020 which also streamed and cached scenery.

[@Glider324]

Thanks. Interesting.

[@JonahCBR]

You can’t say VR is working great when the literal toolbar menu and EFB are inoperable. The game engine seems to working well when no CTD so that’s promising, sure.

[@JTCulverhouse]

Agree - it is very inconsistent, especially in VR. I really hope Asobo continue to not only fix up general issues, but VR specific ones as well.

[@henrycartier]

VR has always been low prio for this "sim". Simply because they can't move the pixels around fast enough. It is clearly meant to be a hybrid-solution game to gain as much $$$ as possible by injecting console DNA into it. Furthermore, MSFS has always and will always be a stuttery mess. When hardware finally catches up a new version is on the horizon with even prettier visuals at slideshow pace. The code is crap and that's it. Just look at Aerofly FS4. Super smooth in VR. Sure, not even close to MSFS detailed world but it runs excellent even on an old 1080 ti.

[@nzbankboyinvr4713]

My temp fix for Vr was just to go out and buy a 55”OLED, keeping me happy for now until those issues are sorted!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Not a bad idea!

[@nzbankboyinvr4713]

@@VRFlightSimGuy yep - LG G4, goes well, check out the specs - very much a gaming TV as much as a Tv Tv!

[@RayKit]

buy 3 of them.. Surround xD

[@nzbankboyinvr4713]

@@RayKit would love that, don’t quite have the space and the LG G4, even tho discounted, still was pretty pricey! :D

[@RayKit]

@nzbankboyinvr4713 yeah they aren't cheap. I couldn't afford 3 of them 😆

[@leseroprod]

I hate the blurry depth perception in VR using Meta Quest 3. I've tried all settings, but nothing works well for me. I got AMD 9800XT, and Ryzen 9 CPU

[@gusser100]

My set up is, Tomahawk motherboard, 4090 GPU, 13900f CPU, 128gb ddr5 ram and 900mbs internet. When landing at Heathrow planes suddenly appear and take off and land at opposite ends of Runway 27R at the same time. Buildings suddenly appear. Boats go in erratic circles. If I fly from LaGuardia planes fly across the runway backwards and sidewards and there are a lot of them. I cannot fly my favourite plane, the Fenix A320, as it won't move at all. I thought it would be a lot better than MSFS 2020 but this appears not to be the case. It needs an awful lot of work.

[@Torcsen]

Glad to hear someone straightn it up. I wonder if the bigger msfs2024 streamers are told too talk the sim up by asobo

[@jamessimmons8352]

Steve… go check out the new version of AutoFPS that supports both 2020 and 2024. Blows away the Asobo built in dynamic tuner. Even automatically disables the MSFS built in when it’s running so no conflicts. Can have separate settings for each version of the sim, and VR vs 2D. Can’t wait for your experience with it.

[@henrycartier]

So how does that work, it just drops the settings automatically to keep a consistent performance or does it do some magic to the code to maintain FPS at your preferred settings?

[@jamessimmons8352]

@henrycartier it dynamically adjusts the key Sim settings OLD, TLD, and Clouds to achieve the optimal or target FPS needed to keep the display smooth and stutter free. Simple, but elegant. And having knobs to tweak how it behaves is a bonus.

[@henrycartier]

@@jamessimmons8352 Thanks, sounds promising

[@paulsleighty]

I did hear a trick that if 2024 is running crap to shut it down and restart it and that can often fix the problems. I haven't tried it myself yet as I'm off work with a large hematoma on my shin after falling off a platform. Frustratingly my crystal light came yesterday and I can't try it. 😢

[@henrycartier]

That might be one of the solutions, I've heard stories about memory leaks so that would explain it. But then again the problem would likely come back. Great sim...play it for a while until memory is full.

[@nilsschutte9380]

MS 2024 actually is a gem and I fly it only now, in VR. But yes the LOD issues (i.e. stones, rockes and bushes just popping in when 2m or so over the ground when landing on what you think from above is just a grass field), CTDs and broken toolbar are a problem. The problem with the mouse disappearing I had more frequently in 2020 than in 2024. It was not really fixed in 2020. And in 2024, the lighting is much better. I do not want to miss the opportunity to see animals when bush flying either, and not to miss the ground details when you are on ground, or the rocky walls of mountains when flying close by.

[@Bigg_Driver]

I’ve had all those problems in Vr plus now constant crashing once entering vr. I gave up a week ago!! Utter disappointment!

[@mikecroshaw9233]

I can’t get passed the blurry ground textures. That just kills the immersion for me. And those textures are everywhere. I wonder if the people saying it looks fine for them are on fairly low resolution systems ?

[@galactichazzard8932]

You won't hear any arguments from me about the title. Most accurate definition of what it is at the moment.

[@ScorpionF1RE_USA]

What are Asobo saying? Are they saying: "This will be fixed"?

[@vracan]

I get in no prob but crash to desktop very often and awful performance.. Having said that strangely I have no issues with the toolbar or mouse in vr

[@SoullessPolack]

You have a channel for this, so your take is gonna be different to an extent. For me, I'm annoyed at the state of the game, but i remember 2020 in the first year, second year, third year, etc. They'll get there, eventually. Ive seen glimpses of what this sim can be, when all systems are working as they should all of the time, which gives me excitement. The way i look at it, if they spent more time alpha and beta testing, we wouldn't have the chance to fly now. Last night i got lucky and did an ultralight flight around Crater Lake at sunset in VR, data must have been streaming great cuz the whole flight was gorgeous and special. The fidelity, at least in that area, is not nearly the same in 2020. In a way, I'm being an apologist, even though i hate unready releases. That said, I'm having a great time when stuff goes well, and when it's not, usually it only takes me 5 or 10 minutes to figure out how the session will be, and if it's poor, i just go do other stuff that day. Just my personal experience, and I'm glad you and others are being vocal.

[@SoullessPolack]

Ps thank you for all that you've done for the sim vr community, id be lost without your guidance on settings. It's kind of cool, an internet stranger who I'll never meet in person is in large part responsible for my enjoyment of a game. Thanks again.

[@paularrowsmith6829]

Are we not the beta testers at the moment ? I'm pretty sure that is the case...

[@kristianjorg418]

Thanks for this honest review. I'm with 2020 still, and will hold on buying it for a little more until some of these issues are beginning to be ironed out. Also waiting for the new RTX5000 series to come out soon. Will a 5080 suffice, or do we really need a 5090? That's another BIG question for me.

[@justbrowsing5279]

500 Mb connection and still problems. Clearly a network problem on their end. You shouldn't even need 100 Mb.

[@Macbrowndog]

Agree with everything you have said. There are so many annoying small problems. I only fly in VR VFR using the C172 (Basic steam gauges) in 2024 . Everything else I use 2020

[@justbrowsing5279]

Everybody needs to request a refund. They have no motivation to fix the issues if everybody is willing to buy a broken product.

[@scaraggi]

Thank God I could test it, not going to buy it. In 14 days I managed to fly once! Not a good way ahead would I say, pity cause the planes and dynamics were great.

[@Soarbywire]

I’ve given up on MSFS 2024 and have gone back to X-plane VR - night and day difference. Aircraft VR interactions just work. Switches are responsive and accurate. The glass cockpit frame rate is synced with the overall frame rate giving a smooth appearance. MSFS 2024 removed the +\- (knob increment or decrease) VR controller assignment - it’s completely broken!

[@harrys8600]

Thanks for the update. I’ve still not purchased the game. I was interested in what has improved. So this has confirmed I should focus on stalker 2 and Indy to keep me busy.

[@thehighwayman78]

I agree with the sentiment that you should open a bug/request like generally "FIX VR" we can all vote for

[@DriftorDropTTV]

Does anybody have a problem with not being able to use your vr controller with planes like ac 10 warthog even without pausing and getting glitched

[@iflyrattraps]

I feel like the odd man out here, but I'm actually enjoying 2024..Quallifier, I have an older pc, 2080 card, nothing high end and the few times I've tried VR it's crashed, using my reverb g2... Solution? I just haven't been flying vr and I won't until I update the system and the headset. On my old system at 1440 is running great, the new lighting is stunning and I look forward to the constant improvements we'll see over the next few years. I guess I remember the fiasco of the 2020 release and came in with low expectations, knowing that as things get fixed, and as third party addons become compatible, this platform will truly blow our minds. The release was chaos, but I think they might be victims of their own success, totally underestimating the initial demand. I think your channel is great at keeping Asobo's feet to the fire and fix the problems, the rest of us need to relax a little. If you're not happy with it, fly 2020 and come back in a few months.

[@Mr-P00sh]

Just reinstalled 2024. Toolbar still not working in vr. 90% of the time it’s not working in 2d!!! Omg. Shocking.

[@arride4590]

I already gave up to play this game in VR. Just playing in 2d.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Tbf it's awesome with the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 with ultra graphics settings

[@arride4590]

​@@VRFlightSimGuyyes, especially with 3 oled tvs. I saw some amazing rigs on KZbin.

[@CrazzyHippie]

Latest problem I run into is flying along vram at 75% cpu at 50% then everything jumps to 100% and latency goes crazy then 30 seconds back to normal all settings on medium I9 11900 32 ram rtx 3080 other than that runs butter smooth so maybe still something with servers I have 1 gig connection here and all is good on my end

[@Pe11ePD]

No VR, no flying.

[@ThorNjord]

@@Pe11ePD No VR, no flying indeed. I refunded my Aviator edition and I'll purchase it again when they sort it out. I'm back on 2020.I had the same problem as CrazzyHippie except in my case it worked a flight or two and then I was never, ever, able to get back to good frames, even after putting everything on low, rebooting etc. I tried it all except reinstalling, which seems to work in some cases. Can't wait to buy it again honestly.

[@alexsp7086]

This release made me quit MSFS some how made me think there is so much more out there in life 😂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

lol

[@UKScenery]

I get all of those issues, plus wiggling runways when landing , break dancing AI aircraft and don't get me started on engine covers and chocks! . I can see for me it's 2024 for bush flying, but 2020 for airliners as its currently too time consuming, buggy and unreliable to enjoy.

[@CaptainC6969]

I'm enjoying MSFS 2024 far better than 2020. My framerate is fine and yes there are some annoying bugs, it's not that bad. Living in the US in a big city makes it so there's no streaming issues for me at least.

[@gazh2166]

Not sure what living in the USA has to do with it. Have you guys been brainwashed into believing you have the best internet too? You don’t. Not by a long shot.

[@mountainflyer2718]

Thanks for your review Steve and I agree with all you say. Feels like a mountain to climb with FS2024 and I don't know if I've got the will power. FS2020 could have benefited with some more love from MS to iron out the problems but I don't think that will happen. Problem for me is this idea of building a digital twin of the earth has super seeded the flight sim aspect. Never thought I'd say this but thinking of migrating to XPlane for consistency and to leave the eye candy behind.

[@juancaemail]

How can I ask for a refund? They lied to us! I uninstalled it and use 2020

[@boonmbach]

It's so weird to me... The experience seems to be so different for the people. For me it's working great and I experience very few technical bugs (beside EFB e.g.; lvl. 170 in career now). esp. the performance for me is great, awesome visuals (about 40-45 fps in VR with relativly high settings, higher what you recommend with 4090). Thx for the video!

[@Thunderbird1337]

I think it's extremely dependent on the servers, which are also different depending on the region you're living.

[@Twiggy163]

Same, it works fine for me too. Well, apart from 30 fps in VR. Either it doesn't show the proper fps or it is locked in. But its smooth, no loading issues so far.

[@perryjansen8092]

I still enjoy my MSFS 2020 with an upgrade to Meta Quest 3. I think I'll just wait for you all to let me know when it's worth switching.

[@Lonsome1223]

Not yet I use the Q3 and got a refund on that sim.

[@crackerbarrel6965]

Yeah it’s gonna take longer than 30 days to fix what should have been done BEFORE it was released. Thanks for paying to be an alpha tester though.

[@hauer54]

Glad I have always stayed with PREPAR3D!

[@GregWoodsLancs]

Thanks for cutting through the hype. I don't have time to be d*cking around with the sim.... so I'll stick with 2020 and X-Plane for the foreseeable future

[@iamstarman7]

I do agree with the VR Issues, it's really game breaking and frustrating to the point you want to give up and do something else. Did you tho do a full clean reinstall of the game as recommended? This might fix the loading issues you also mentioned. I have never had an aircraft loading only party so maybe this is an issue just on your side.

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

Thanks for the video,!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

My pleasure!

[@rolandgardiner3059]

Thanks for the video! Totally agree this sim has not lived up to the hype. Yes, VR is extremely frustrating!

[@kevinbrook7033]

I still haven't bought it yet. After having a year of constant CTD in MSFS 2020 I've just not had any desire to buy it as I don't want to spend 100 plus hours of my life tweaking it to make it work and run. Plus, I know that as long as I don't play it I have no desire for a 5090 either or a new HMD so trying to put off purchasing as long as possible.

[@spediegunz]

I will wait till you put out your MSFS 2024 is finally ready video

[@higjeff]

Poor resolution most times. It doesn’t always load. Very frustrating

[@billbaggins1688]

Well, you were right to be sceptical prior to release. This game has made me hate gaming.

[@marvingamble7435]

I can not fly in the morning hrs , only into late afternoon and only my pc crashes at least twice even when not in Vr, wanted a flight sim ,I don't know what to call this but a headache

[@reeces8173]

I actually haven’t even been bothered buying it, I was so excited for it but what a bloody let down. 2020 for a little while longer for me

[@dtrjones]

Thanks Steve! I have to disagree on the points that we don't like MSFS 2024. Personally I'm not too bothered about the apparent streaming issues. What I've seen of the blurry textures aren't that bad and I've not experienced any lack of sound or half a cockpit showing up recently - the visuals remain head and shoulders better than MSFS. For me it's about the poor interactions, especially in VR, and the bugs, some of which are really upsetting like the ATR and A320 v2 occasions having the avionics freezing. How can something look so good and have a complete lack of polish. The ATC window drives me bannanas and just little things which are just worst in MSFS 2024 than they were in MSFS. Shame but I feel they don't even get it which is more worrying. Do they actually have anybody who lives and breaths testing this sim because at times it doesn't feel like it. 👍

[@EccentricElement]

I do feel bad for everyone having a bad experience with the sim. I must say I’m having a great time so far. I’m using a 4090 and a PSVR2 setup and it’s working great. With the PSVR2 converter I’m getting great frame rates and a really immersive experience. I fly the 777 in real life so I mainly use the sim to do basic IFR and VFR flying using the A2A Comanche and it’s great. I do find that clarity was an issue on using the G1000 on the 172 for example. My main issue is the EFB just not working. However combining the A2A Comanche and the TDS GTNXi there’s no need for the EFB for now for me. The mouse definitely needs to be fixed though. Hope patches will come soon and everyone can enjoy the sim.

[@Lonsome1223]

Do you use VR,

[@EccentricElement]

@ yes I use the PSVR2 headset for VR

[@Lonsome1223]

Did you try the PMDG 777 in 2020 But yes a high end computer makes the difference.

[@EccentricElement]

@@Lonsome1223 I did not try it actually. For me the sim is a fun hobby and I don’t want it to feel like work. However when it’s out for 2024 I might give it a try. It does look like a great product!

[@paulrhead1]

Every single thing you said has happened to me too Steve and really annoying at times other times it seems okay particularly frustrating stutters certain days and I’ve got a good bandwidth and mega pc. Oddly enough the quest 3 seems to work much better for me than the crystal light which will randomly become fixed with my head movements at times and require a restart to sort it out. Hope this last pimax play update has sorted it. Mind you I enjoy the quest 3 and the freedom virtual desktop provides more