Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 vs 2024 VR Comparison - TAA vs DLSS FPS TEST! WHICH IS BETTER?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

How's Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 VR running for you? 🤔

[@IllusiveDude]

Horrible

[@peterregan8691]

Great.

[@gizmo104drives7]

Definately worse in my g2. Lost 10-15 fps and now unable to maintain 45fps with motion smoothing which used to make 2020 nice and smooth. I hope something happens to improve this as going backwards isn't ideal

[@ClayStation02]

MSFS 2024 likes to crash to desktop on me mid flight every time I fly. I run 4090 13900k 64GB ram on my Bigscreen beyond getting 38fps and it still crashes every flight. I wish I had a clue why it keeps crashing?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​@@ClayStation02I haven't tried the Beyond yet, will check it out this weekend.

[@nzbankboyinvr4713]

‘Test just for fun’ - however, I’m just here to thank you for the amount of time and effort to put all this together for us. A 7m video like this would take at least a solid 7 hours to create at a guess!! 🙏🏻 Wishing you and your family (including the four legged ones) happy holidays!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You've no idea how much your comments means to me mate. These sorts of videos take forever to make. Colin, Doris and Monty send plenty of woofs and hugs 🐶🐶🐶 Best wishes and seasonal greetings to your family.

[@channelvr1293]

I'm sparing myself the agony. So, no 2024 for me . Maybe in a few months when all the bugs are fixed and I got my RTX5090. The pleasure of getting older is that you get more patient.

[@jamessimmons8352]

@@channelvr1293 The one thing I learned in 45+ years in IT as a software and systems engineer is ALL the bugs are never fixed. There will always be bugs. MSFS 2020 still has many bugs after 4 years of updates. 2024 will follow a similar path. I'm willing to go along for the ride as the Sim is an amazing ecosystem of advanced code, infrastructure, and really smart hard working developers.

[@mikeSL246]

I finally got 2020 running without CTDs, good frame rates, and decent resolution. This only took 1.5 years to do! I’m in NO hurry to start over with 2024.

[@channelvr1293]

@mikeSL246 indeed my friend 🧡

[@channelvr1293]

@jamessimmons8352 fully understand, however I own a rather big company so free time is precious to me. If I startup my rig I want it to work immediately. (It never does) and asobo have to understand that a pc doesn't only run msfs2024 . If every program that starts up once you press the on button had just one bug my rig wouldn't even start 🫣 . Bad enough that every time i startup windows needs to update, Nvidia drivers update and a whole bunch of other stuff happens. 😏

[@kkania]

Ok boomer

[@tiohdi]

Can't believe how much time you invest to make these comparisons. I'm mostly too lazy to test out settings, even for myself. Really helps a lot to save time in the optimisation process. Thank you so much! You deserve more followers.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou Tim, encouraging comments like this really help keep me going.

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

Excellent. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Really appreciate it buddy. Have a great weekend

[@RolandDobbins]

DLSS Quality Mode in VR is fantastic if you use DLSS Swapper and overdrive the resolution in the Quest 3 with OpenXR Toolkit. Gauges & controls are readable.

[@MrCrrispy]

What is DLSS swapper?

[@RolandDobbins]

@ - search engines are your friend.

[@RockyQui]

@@MrCrrispy DLSS Swapper allows to upgrade the DLSS version used by MSFS (and other games).

[@logankesler3421]

What resolution are you running your quest 3 at? I us OTT and use that to super sample up to about 2800x3000 but I have yet to play with dlss swapper

[@RolandDobbins]

@ - I’m overdriving it to 127% in the OpenXR Toolkit, which is 3833 x 4100, IIRC.

[@patb3356]

Wow! Been waiting for this!

[@ZockerBudeVR]

same here, a loss of around 10 fps in vr, buuuuut... the 72hz mode with 36fps reprojection runs much better as in the 2020! seems like the frame times are better, its absolutely smooth, but they have many things to fix in the future, cheers steve, have a wonderful christmas time!

Comparing the two simulators like you did here with all settings as similar as possible, I thought we had hoped for MSFS2024 to outperform MSFS2020 easily with the improved core technology under the hood. Making much more effective use of today's modern hardware. However, seeing how 2024 is keeping up with 2020 even with the improved visuals, that I suppose is an improvement in itself.

[@WASHEDUPLOSER]

Getting nearly double the frames in 2024 using Virtual Desktop. Msfs 2020 I had around 40-45 Msfs 2024 80-90 but keep in mind I dont fly airliners or depart from huge airports often I mainly fly GA,Bush,Helis

[@angleofattak]

Same! I play with VR settings maxed out in game, DLSS Quality, FG on, and framerate limit set to 45 then in VD i set it to god mode, 150mb/s, and 90fps with SSW always on

[@vron123]

Glad my 2020 install is still intact

[@Retset]

Looking forward very much to the settings on different systems video

[@JonahCBR]

Always look forward to your videos. Can't wait for your graphic setting optimization video! As a VR VFR and Vatsim pilot with almost 2000 hours on the G1000, I run TAA and override the resolution in OpenXR to make all my buttons legible. I do this at the expense of narrowing my FOV and some strategic foveated rendering. After two days of tweaking settings and trying to squeeze the most out of my hardware, I'm barely getting half of the FPS I was getting in 2020 and I'm not able to hit that magic number of half o my headset's refresh rate. Part of me hopes this is just an optimization issue but it's probably just my hardware... I tried Virtual Desktop and Link Cable....The VR performance is just not good. On the positive side, the knobs seem to be easier to twist using oculus touch controller and it might be viable to use instead of Knobster and KnobFS which is my preferred method currently.

[@CaptainC6969]

There it is! What we were looking for!

[@Sean_Coyne]

For GA pilots, flying a C172 Garmin at 2,000 feet in a rural area, here are my results with a 5800x3D, 4090 GPU and a Pimax Crystal at native resolution. Identical settings, mixture of Ultra, High and Medium, plus same location, clear skies preset. Poor DX12 optimisation in both sims seems to be the major factor affecting performance in VR. As we have to use DX12 in FS2024, it needs to be fixed if possible. FS2020 DX11 TAA: 38fps DLSS Quality: 57-62fps FS2020 DX12 TAA: 28fps DLSS Quality: 40-42 ____________________________________ FS2024 DX12 TAA: 26fps DLSS Quality: 39fps DLSS Balanced: 43fps DLSS Performance: 50fps

[@martinhsl68hw]

Thanks Steve - this is the video we wanted!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Glad it was helpful! 😊

[@hanskrohn]

My problem in FS2024 in VR is with the mouse. Sometimes it works, most of the time it does not. I can not move the EFB around, etc., etc. FS2024 has plenty of potential, but at this point it feels like an unfinished product and - truth be told - it is getting on my nerves. I will go back to FS2020 and wait until things improve with the new sim. It was a bad management decision to release it in it’s present state. MS is damaging it’s reputation, and for no good reason…

[@pilotguy27]

It is Asobo. They are great at building hype around their products. I said along we are going back to being beta testers. Remeber the 2020 launch? It was terrible and 2020 is still lacking features that P3D and FSX had.

[@Bruno63030]

@@hanskrohn You mean unable to click? That happens to me too, it gets fixed when I use the vr controller to click, then the mouse suddenly starts to work normally again.

[@jamessimmons8352]

@@hanskrohn I lose the mouse in VR as well. Clicking on touch screens in Garmin keep working with mouse, but no response on cockpit controls. Very weird

[@CCitis]

It’s incredibly annoying

[@cmdr-aurus-rex]

I have the same problem with FS2020 when running the sim in a window or borderless window. When it runs in full screen interactions with the mouse work. Perhaps same problem in MSFS2024? Do you run it in full screen?

[@mg7021]

DLAA is the one to try with DLSS. I actually find it much smoother than TAA with the quest 3. Running the same system as you. 13900K with a LC 4090

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thx for the tip!

[@paulmann8675]

I use that too

[@dtrjones]

Yes thank you, I will give this a try!

[@meade918r]

tried it but everything is blurry .

[@mg7021]

@@meade918r in godlike mode

[@poolhallshark]

Great video! Thanks, buddy! I am mostly silent early MSFS2024-days as I have gotten solid results from the get go 🙂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks mate. What's your secret? Please do tell 😁 But seriously I'm really glad you are enjoying it. Have a great weekend.

[@poolhallshark]

@@VRFlightSimGuy If I knew, I'd tell you. But I AM using DLSS though, as I exclusively fly VFR. You and I have the same rig; only difference is that YOUR CPU is slightly stronger than my i7-13700k. And I have locked the Crystal to half refresh rate in the settings. I've been really sick (high fever) for a week now, so I haven't been able to try it too much, but I'm super happy so far at least 🙂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​@@poolhallshark Get well soon buddy

[@worldtourwiththemb-339a]

Nice test, thank you. It's strange to think that to run TAA with all maxed out at 90 FPS you would neeed a graphic 10 years from the future. Probably 2 gens after the 5090.

[@bakzetary3145]

Thanks for the update!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Pleasure mate

[@rickwills3108]

Thank you for making this video. I am running a Radeon RX7900XT with the Quest 3 running Virtual Desktop.I am finding it difficult to adjust the setting in any meaningful way. Running on a mixture of high and medium settings FPS starts at around 36 fps but over time reduces to the low to mid 20s. Changing to high and Ultra makes no real difference (TAA mode with LOD & TLD left at 100 for both) and at times the terrain, particularly roads are very soft. Interestingly my GPU utilisation is all over the place from 70% to 100%. I have a150mps internet connection and I am also surprised at how little data is being used. I do not think the game is very well optimised for VR at this time and good look with your further testing.

[@bradule1980]

Worst of all, I prepurchased the upcoming Virpil Yoke for this sim. I guess that perhaps rtx6090 might be able to run it in native QPro res and refresh... and paired perhaps with 30 core CPU on 7ghz. I liked your laugh at the end of the video when you asked how does it run for you guys?? :)))

[@Eskoxo]

I noticed 2024 32Gb memory is pretty much full(even says over budget in some scenarios in your utility thing 36/32) and 2020 version is at like 20Gb might be worth investigating if that 64Gb spec ideal makes a difference. I am waiting on new mobo and 64gb kit to arrive in a few days to test with new 9800x3d.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Ram comparison next!

[@paulmann8675]

@@Eskoxo yes I run 64 go not sure if that made the difference for me

[@jameslee-pevenhull5087]

Screen update rate of a Cathode Ray Tube ( Old Telly 29.9 Hz ) is what Plessey had in 1992.

[@jakeperl5857]

This is consistent with my observation that I've lost ~10 FPS overall moving from 2020's DX11 to 2024's DX12. HOWEVER, so far I'm not missing anything because in my (purely subjective) view, I'm getting the same SMOOTHNESS (or even more, because less stutters) at ~30 FPS in 2024 that required at least 40 FPS in 2020 to achieve. So I'm quite happy with 2024 as long as I don't get too obsessed with the numbers Lol ETA: Not sure how much of this is due to the sim itself, or the latest DLSS DLL update.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nice one. Thanks for sharing your observations. I haven't had any time to do much flying in the sim. I plan to fix that this weekend though.

[@Windystig]

I completely agree with this. I had a fly this morning and with the settings i had it was running at times at 30 fps and even dipped once or twice to 28, but it was still so much smoother than FS2020 when it ran at that frame rate. i always found anything under 40 in 2020 got a bit like a slide show, but at 28-30fps 2024 was so smooth.

[@Ryorr]

My wish has been granted😊

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

😊

[@chrisclarkson7077]

Not tried VR yet but flew from Liverpool to Blackpool today in 2D, absolutely stunning with FPS ranging from 60 to 90, DLSS DLAA most settings on ultra- 4090 and 7800X3D 64GB ram 1gig.internet. Its's definitely getting better!

[@Last220]

I also have a 7800X3D with a 4070ti SUPER and can run the same specs. From general feedback it seems the 7800X3D and gig internet is the golden formula.

[@jakeperl5857]

Dude you are so ready for VR!

[@chrisclarkson7077]

@ I have a Pimax Crystal just not tried it in 2024 yet.

[@AuthentiKit]

Thanks Steve. It's a shame foveated rendering didn't make the release version. I know OpenXRToolkit can add it but doing it natively from within MSFS must be tons more efficient.

[@janithawikramasinghe6777]

you should use the ini a320 for both sims for this to be a fair test, from what i can see your using the default a320 neo in 2020

[@bigmakbm1]

A CPU upgrade would probably help a good bit. Either a 7800X3D or 9800X3D depending on your budget.

[@theVRpilot]

💪🏼💪🏼 let’s see!

[@deanna6359]

I just tried turning on fixed foveated rendering in Openxr Toolkit and set it to qualty mode and balanced pattern, that took my fps from mid 20s to mid 30s. 🙂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nice one!

[@deanna6359]

@VRFlightSimGuy It would be better if was actually built into the sim of course 🙂

[@paulsleighty]

Thought I might get to try 2024 tonight but alas it didn't happen. I would of been interested to see DLSS in quality mode tested, although I'd guess it would be also fairly close to 2020 like the DLSS mode you ran. I don't see much of a difference in the reverb g2 between DLSS quality and TAA in 2020, but that's probably just me.

[@martinhsl68hw]

I found that the co-pilot was killing my fps when I looked at them in VR, turning them off helped

[@AerialEscape]

I willingly paid money for 2020.. I opted for the free download through Xbox with 2024. There's my comparison. No way I'm spending money on 2024 until I see drastic improvement.

[@MegaIronica]

I have a 5800X3D and 3090 with Quest 3. DLSS balanced gives some great results up to 40fps with high graphic presets and even supersampled resolution to 3200×3100 with OpenXR TOOLKIT. However, for me, the problem is everything becomes a bit blurry. It didn't bother me until I compared it with TAA. Wow, the difference is huge. I had to change a lot, though, to make it at least hit 30-35fps. Now I have medium graphics, resolution at 85% or 2700x2600, and fixed foveated rendering. It is a big sacrifice, but the result is actually way better. Hopefully, the game will be more and more optimized in the future, especially for VR.

[@capipj]

What FPS do you had on 2020?

[@IceYetiWins]

30fps is playable for vr?

[@MegaIronica]

@@capipj I used to have 40-50 fps depending 9n the area, but it was with DLSS balanced and super sampling at 3300x3100 and Ultra settings

[@MegaIronica]

@@IceYetiWins 30 is fine for me anyways but any lower it starts to become to stuttery

[@jamessimmons8352]

14900K here with 4080 and 64 GB ram & 1 Gb internet and Crystal Light. Should be able to run PCL close to native res with acceptable frame rate and visuals. I'm trying to wean myself off of things like OpenXR Toolkit (so its disabled now). Now trying to get VR graphics settings to a combo that will sustain at least 30 frames/sec. Also need to tweak Pimax Play. And am also trying to use the new Nvidia App as opposed to Control Panel. Its such a pain to have so many tuning knobs. I use SmoothFlight dynamic tuning in 2020, but feel like I need it in 2024. But rumor had that it is already built in (I assume where you set the target frame rate in VR options). But I don't really feel like I'm seeing it in flight. Ohhh so much new stuff to learn and play with (When I just want to fly). 😞

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

So true James, I feel the same mate

[@richardwalter3110]

STEVE - You need to let go wanting to use TAA. As others have mentioned use dlss in performance/balance and cranked up the resolution in the openxr toolkit. Depending on how high you want to set the resolution, the clarity and performance is better

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hey Richard. I've suggested this method for a long time now. But for me personally, I'm not a fan. The gauges look far too soft. I'm not quite a believer yet sorry 😅 I'll keep tweaking though!

[@theegodelpozo]

​@@VRFlightSimGuy It's obvious that you're missing something. DLSS DLAA is the sharpest configuration possible in both sims. TAA is not for VR.

[@biff3183]

@@theegodelpozo I have the same issue with gauges and especially panels in jetliners being very soft unless using TAA in VR. What secret sauce do you have for that we're missing?

[@David-xk4xx]

The sim has improved each day since launch for me but it still has a long way to go before I feel I can trust it. Performance is definitely much worse than MSFS 2020. The mouse randomly stops working in VR which ruins a flight as I do not use a VR controller. Terrain, buildings, trees and bushes randomly range between outstanding and rubbish in VR. FPS today was good but yesterday it was terrible for me. (7800x3d, 4090 32BG, 1gbps Internet, Quest Pro - I only fly in VR)

[@Bruno63030]

Have you tried using DLSS while cranking drastically your resolution? Weirdly enough, that's what worked the best for me, I am running about 1.8x the resolution of the quest 3 while using dlss performance. I get better fps than TAA while not having the bluriness on the cockpit, or soft image. Also, it helped a lot to use DLSS Swapper to use the latest version of DLSS available (this also works on MSFS2024).

[@mg7021]

Are you using VD with your quest 3?

[@Bruno63030]

@ Sometimes, yes. When using virtual desktop I increase the resolution using the openxr toolkit, if that’s what you are wondering.

[@mg7021]

@@Bruno63030 cheers, I’ll give it a shot 👍

[@nrosko]

good test, very interesting results.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thank you 👍

[@paulmann8675]

Steve have you updated your dlss on fs2024 to the newest with dlss swapper as it’s not on the latest by a long way my 5800x3d with 64gb ram and 4090 gets 45/ 50fps in dlss on quality unless the x3d cache is still doing something better than the intels but I thought been multithreaded it wouldn’t by now But then I am using a reverb g2 130% in open xr and the gauges are excellent clarity 🤷‍♂️

[@anone3842]

You should try DLSS Quality mode instead of Balanced. Balanced is only a quarter the resolution of full native resolution. Quality is half way between the two resolutions (full and balanced). You can see that in your video settings in Render Resolution. Also people dying to get latest DLSS library file (I don’t know about that myself)

[@OzzySafa]

Could this difference be because you haven’t changed any settings in Nvidia control panel for 2024? Or have you ?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Of course 👍

[@tobystent]

I’m getting the same sort of performance differences as you and pretty disappointed as on a monitor definitely get better performance than 2020 but VR has gotten worse. Really hope there’s some fixes to come 😢

[@alessiobrabus7990]

I don't have the courage to install MSFS2024 with my current 3080ti (considering the too poor performance I had with MSFS2020 in VR with the Quest 3), and I can't wait for the RTX5000 to come out to finally upgrade my GPU!

[@kevinbrook7033]

That's disappointing. Why do you think your flatscreen benchmarks showed MSFS 2024 actually performing better than 2020, but the reverse is true here? I wonder if the VR is poorly optimised? Either way, I'm still not remotely tempted to buy this sim yet. Happy to let you guys do the beta testing for me and I'll venture in when it's a workable product.

[@ve5xi]

how do I use VR on Microsoft pc verison msfs 2024

[@paulsaunders6536]

Generally, this doesn’t bode well. I’m glad I opted not to buy immediately. Based on the feedback on this and other forums I can’t see me buying FS2024 for quite some time. Took me an inordinate amount of time to get a decent frame rate and an acceptable sharpness in 2020, even with a 4090 and a 14900k processor. If all I can look forward to is 20-25 FPS in 2024 then it’s a no from me, unless there is a massive improvement over the coming months. Photogrammetry for buildings was and remains a post apocalyptic meltdown in the cities I fly over, even with 400mbps (the best I can get on my wifi) loading everything via wifi would be asking for even more trouble. I can see I’d probably need to hardwire my PC to my router and even then that’s only going to solve things at my end, there’s the other end to consider and Ive no control over that. Nah, I’ll pass for now.

[@briank3754]

2024 is just crushing the RAM. Definitely need 64 GB for 2024

[@CCitis]

Yeah I am struggling to run smooth in VR with the G2 in 2024

[@Pcbuild99x]

You are missing a trick here .try updating the dlss fiile for msfs 2024 and then see the performance gain.for me it runs absolutely better than msfs 2020 around 15-20 more fps in vr surprisingly with no clearity downgrade compared to Taa

[@paulmann8675]

@@Pcbuild99x same here 👍

[@SparkySven]

Very intresting to see, thanks 4 creating (must be hard & time consuming) But would love to see same video with CPU kind AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D vs your current Intel one. Are you getting the Pimax Super?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers mate. Yes I'll be getting a Super, but most likely the Meganex first.

[@SparkySven]

​@@VRFlightSimGuy We need to encourage flyers to stay onboard, I've seen people left and right telling me that they are leaving MSFS2024 so that is not good. MS / Asobo did fuck up in a major way and will not help. Only hard cord simmers will stay, imagine you are a first time simmer and MSFS2024 was your first. Jeez. Instant divorce and straight to therapy :-S

[@primashock]

DLSS must be used in DLAA or Quality once you touch the value to 0.90 in DLSS TWEAKS. it's pointless to use DLSS in balance. You're rendering at 2500ish by 2900ish.. which is pretty low resolution. I'm also assuming that you didn't update the DLSS version that comes with the sim (same as 2020 😮). TAA in VR is a wrong approach.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Using the latest DLSS file, I much prefer TAA as clarity is very important to me. Thanks for the tips though

[@primashock]

@VRFlightSimGuy DLAA will give you the same or better quality as TAA but with the benefits of NVIDIA super resolution technology. Our problem is Directx12 I believe.

[@mauricecox7954]

Hi Steve are you using MSFS map enhancment ? it seems to bring the boring scenery to life, i was using the free version but iv just paid for the pro version it seems pritty good (would like your feed back on it) I been flying all day RTX 4090 I7 9800x3D 64gb ram quest 3 TAA 130 180 DEPTH 130 ON+BOOST DYNAMIC ON CUSTOM MOST ON HIGH AND ULTRA WITH THESE SETTING FORGET LONDON LOL I think my gpu might melt at these settings lol the vision jet is amazing, i remember you telling me about the TBM a few years ago well i thing this vision jet in on par if not better what you think ???

[@BipolarBLKSheep]

Main thread limit is still an issue in MSFS2024. Its such a shame. Prevents higher end GPUs from running at their full potential (100%+) because the CPU bottleneck is essentially throttling the capability of the GPU. Their multithread optimization is not great. MSFS 2024, despite all its upgrades, should be running far better than MSFS2020 in DX11. I'm hoping they will improve optimization over time, the servers will get better, and they will iron out the countless bugs that I've seen already. However, based on how long it took them to implement improvements for MSFS2020, I imagine this will take a while. It may also be helpful to include your PC specs in a pinned comment, so people have a reference. I didn't see if you mentioned it in the video, and I think there is a link in the description, but having it readily visible would be nice. Thanks for the comparison! Look forward to the settings guide!

[@jesusrv2009]

Looking closer to the metrics, it looks like MFS2024 is taking all your memory even sometimes exceeding the 32 GB RAM . I was wondering at this point if 64 GB is the min recommended for VR?

[@idegteke]

That’s what I coleslaw

[@gianlucafreni6303]

First of all I noticed a mainthread limitation! I guess an AMD cpu with 3d v-cache runs the game much better! Note that my 5800x3d runs flight Simulator like a 13900k 😅 the 9800x3d will push further the 4090 and the fps

[@pilotguy27]

Watch JayzTwoCents video on the subject. X3d chips are no the answer for this sim, and I am an AMD X3d fanboy, lol.

[@kotenkostiantyn1282]

What is the difference between 2020 and 2024 in VR in terms of qol improvement? Is there any changes at all or is all the same just with new missions and forced dx12?

[@kimchristensen9154]

i see the complete oposite. 4090, 14900kf 64 gb RAM. maxed out rift s, stable 40 fps all the time

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

That's due to the much lower resolution 👍

[@paularrowsmith6829]

When I started a flight in VR cold and dark so I’m outside of the aircraft I have no mouse cursor to click on ready to fly. Can anyone help !? It’s sooooo frustrating !

[@b6s4shelter]

Limited by GPU. CPU hardly matters

[@Farabian.89]

Thank you for you great content as always .. can you give your opinion on the Pimax crystal super announcement as I am thinking of Pre-ordering one .. Cheers

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou I really appreciate that. My advice is wait until I have tested it.

[@Farabian.89]

@VRFlightSimGuy Will do. Thanks

[@speedvr829]

Servers are getting better because everyone has uninstalled this mess and gone back to 2020. Easy to work that out.

[@mrwick7961]

good for us who are patient then :)

[@William_99640]

24 is running great now vr performance is unbelievable

[@SurfVR]

@@William_99640What did you change? Or what changed?

[@poolhallshark]

@@William_99640 👌👍

[@dtrjones]

Was there any call for this post? If you've given up after 3 days when this sim has so much to offer then that's totally on you. Good luck with that.

[@FurBurger151]

Would really like to see some test on a mid range PC. I'm currently playing the gamepass version but have a psvr2 and adapter so if i want to run VR I will need to buy the steam version. I have a 4070 and a i514400f 32g6000mhz ram. Is it worth upgrading yet or should I just wait till VR is more stable.

[@Lextarius]

The Game Pass version works with PSVR2 and SteamVR! I’m running that. Just switch to VR mode in FS2024 while SteamVR is running.

[@I_Evo]

Are you using the latest version of the DLSS DLL (3.8.10) as MSFS2024 still 'shipped' with 2.4.12.0 from 2022?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Affirm (for both sims)

[@jxk4500]

Really? Wtf

[@DaveBrown1]

Hi Steve, you still using OpenXR Toolkit?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Affirmative. Not in this test though.

[@Neosin1]

Dx11 is better like i suspected 😮

[@olegshevchenko6109]

well, now it works almost fine. But still, there are a lot of bugs. I can't move EFB in VR, the mouse stopped working in the cockpit. I have Varjo Aero and a 30-35 fps on medium setting. Sometimes when a lot of trees around the plane I have 20-25 fps. I hope the performance will be improved. (RTX3090/14900K)

[@ericthomas8147]

How much did VR get optimized in MSFS 2020 between release and now? What makes people think 2024 will get better? Hope?

[@lurchilurch5507]

It got optimized quite a bit in 2020 actually!

[@davidelsey660]

Has anyone tested the ability to download a large area of cache and if it helps?

[@jbw3]

Waiting on settings!

[@nils169]

Not that great with my Pimax Crystal light and a 4090 Card... 13700k 64GB DDR5

[@LouisianaRAPTER]

What do you have your render setting for VR on within the options? 0-200? Seems with a 4070 super and a quest 3, I can only get the render scaling up to 130 to get decent frames. I’m also trying to find the setting you go back to DX11 😢

[@FujitsuPolycom]

You can't run 2024 on DX11, it's DX12 only.

[@LouisianaRAPTER]

@ oh okay, I coulda swore during the initial install you could choose between dx11 and dx 12 beta.

[@skrems]

Your comparison videos are great. The MSFS 2024 is a waste of money in my opinion. Dropped $129 on it and find it to be a lower quality experience by a long shot compared to MSFS 2020.

[@oldhaws8009]

Why can't I get VR mode to work? Whenever I toggle VR, my headset just freezes with a black screen. I'm using a pico 4 with a link cable on pico connect. I also tried wireless with virtual desktop but it still won't work. I also dialed down the default VR graphics settings. I also tried streaming the headset on 50mbs and 100mbps. Msfs2020 and all my other VR games have no problem. 😟

[@sz-zr6rn]

You need to get the latest win 11 update to get direct x 12 working optimal

[@hanswurst3811]

Who says that?

[@shenmisheshou7002]

How to you turn on the developer tool kit in 2024? I have looked everywhere and I can't find it.

[@LulzSecvirusinvader]

Dx 11 is very optimized.. what cpu du u use . 9800x3d sould give u 50/60 fps here,, specially whit the gpu 5090..

[@mrwick7961]

hes using a 13900K

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I say in the video 👆👆

[@TJ-bx5px]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Yes 13900K, RTX4090. i se no... I am absolutely shure, whit a 9800x3d/5090 combination we will se smooth 50-60 FPS in ultra settings!! especially in ( and maby more FPS) DX11/2020. 4k.. 8kVR maybe not!, seriously tink 5090, will not be good for 8K VR...(MAX settings) (msfs)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​@@TJ-bx5pxLet's hope so. I'll have one to test soon!

[@mark0077777]

Is this using the latest dlss version as the version that comes with the sim is ancient for some reason.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes. Although the cockpit gauges still look meh to me!

[@jacksaloman9513]

what kind of system would you need to even get great FPS? Is that system even possible?

[@RichardIng-e9p]

Thanks for the informative video. Unfortunately with VR in 2024 I get 3fps, then the game freezes. I can get 20fps in low end mode which then looks far worse than 2020. I get 45 fps in 2020. I have a 4080 and Pimax Crystal Light. Am I alone with this?

[@zeevkatz6]

How do you capture the VR view? What software do you use?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Shadowplay or OBS

[@Swedish-VR-Pilot]

Use OBS recording with OpenXR Mirror capture. To smooth it use LiveVisionKit Filter 1.2.2 (not 1.3).

[@zeevkatz6]

⁠@@Swedish-VR-Pilot getting black screen while using the openxr mirror Any ideas?

[@Swedish-VR-Pilot]

@ had the same problem, found the solution watching a couple of videos: they said „run the OpenXR API Layer via PowerShell in Admin mode“!! That did the trick for me. Link of video below.

[@Swedish-VR-Pilot]

@ kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGGapmquipyCp6Msi=rs2YGy-6IhxS1h8V

[@BuntyDave]

DLSS with DLAA and sharpening at 180 looks good. I can read everything fine.

[@azur1858]

Hello, many thanks for the video. Did you make you test running Windows 10 or Windows 11, please ?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

My pleasure. Using Windows 11

[@azur1858]

ok, thanks

[@mostwanted2000]

We need to wait for RTX 6090 now 😅 It's a pity it cannot use the full GPU and CPU. So stupid.

[@dcramsey08]

While I'm sure they can continue to optimize, and the DX issue is intriguing, I don't know why our GPU's wouldn't struggle more with a sim that has higher graphical fidelity. I'm no expert, but isn't the quality higher so the gpu will just struggle more?

[@MatthiasAppelFilm]

Can you enable raytracing shadows? I can't...of course in VR

[@trin162]

What happened to 2024 being able to utilise all the cores now? Super disappointed.

[@SonofthewindsInc]

Unsteady of streaming the game...can one buy the complete sim in a box ?

[@vracan]

offline playing is not an option in 24

[@LucasJozwiak]

FS2024 in VR is useless. Graphics are much better in 2020

[@azur1858]

Hello, another question please. Are you using OpenXr Toolkit during the test ?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Negative. Everything is stock to make sure the comparison is as accurate as possible

[@azur1858]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Ok for that. Thanks

[@andrewjamez]

Overkillsimulations claims it the best vr experience he's ever had and on his crystal.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Really?!

[@gocki12]

@@VRFlightSimGuy yes..the smoothest and best looking vr experience ever….

[@justbrowsing5279]

Have tried all the fixes. Photogrammetry doesn't work at all for me in 2020 unless I do a manual cache of specific areas. My internet is consistently testing at 100Mbs and they say you need 50 for ideal photogrammetry performance. Was thinking of getting a VR headset and buying 2024 but not if PG doesn't work.

[@lurchilurch5507]

I love DX12 in 2020, it's much smoother for me. 2024 is abysmal though. Performance varies a lot and I've lost about 30-40% of frames. It's super unstable and full of bugs. I've refunded for now, it's pointless currently. Maybe in 6 months it will be worth another look.

[@montrose699]

Hey VRFlightSimGuy. I currently fly exclusively in DCS and I have MSFS 2024. Although my Winwing throttle and Stick show up the pitch and roll are bound but when I fly do not work. I am thinking of getting a yoke and throttle for MSFS any mid range you would recommend?

[@mrwick7961]

have u updated you dlss? mine runs great with monitor but on quest 3 its very laggy and stuttery .also its super hard to see what buttons and stuff say in vr

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes. Although the cockpit gauges still look meh to me!

[@Last220]

@@VRFlightSimGuy It may be server related, I've had clear gauges in VR playing late at night and then most recently when playing at peak times they've become blurry on the same settings.

[@mateuszw1995]

So they didn't fix the DLSS at all, it is the same shit as 4 years before, with blurry gauges? The performance looks like they didn't do anything with better optimisation - they just added a few new things with requires more compute power so the fps is lower. This is the same non-thruly-multithreading engine?