Microsoft Will Delete Minecraft Java.

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[@SalC1]

Guys, before you comment on this, please actually watch the whole video. Pippen brings up some extremely valid points in the video that I've actually never heard someone say before regarding this topic. The point that sparked my interest the most was the the small, incremental changes Microsoft has been making to the franchise as a whole. A tiny change may piss someone off for a while, but it eventually wears off to where it becomes normal. These changes like migration and chat reporting happen just far enough in between that it wouldn't cause a major backlash that would hurt their revenue stream. Microsoft would've otherwise pushed all of this from the beginning, which would obviously result catastrophe. I've actually had this thought regarding this in the back of my head for the longest time, but didn't really think too much of it. But now I realize that it should be blatantly obvious that Microsoft likely has an end goal with this. And like Pippen said, I hope I'm 100% wrong.

[@kiwiontheinternet5810]

Found SalC1

[@cardboardking577]

Most of these aren't actual arguments, just using various examples of things a group of people hate, that has nothing to do with "Minecraft java being deleted" A title change?? Y'all smarter than this...

[@rxblessed]

I’m optimistic that MS won’t pull the plug based on the fact that 99% of MC content on YT is Java. Granted, that can change, but the only way I could see Bedrock content creators explode overnight is if MS themselves are involved directly

[@giuseppemannino2006]

Hi

[@BanDit49_]

Even if they discontinue java edition the community will still keep updating it..let's be honest here who the hell would play bedrock on pc when java is so much better

[@enkvadrat_]

Not even the devs play minecraft bedrock, but if java was discontinued we will make our own updates mods and server system

[@aqua-bery]

They're gonna do whatever they can to kill the community.

[@notbrush]

Yeah things like forge and fabric will still make their own versions

[@recklesserves155]

It will live on like Elona+, a Frankenstein monster of a game continued by its community

[@ell.....]

@@jythmivena6617 that's not how that works but ok

[@tomikun8057]

@@ell..... It is. Lawsuits cost money, they can keep suing till the opponent runs out of money for lawyers.

[@FlareSnare]

Lets just take Java and make a "Community Edition" built by the comminuty and just cut out microsoft completely. Have a community launcher built and run by the community, where you can still only get banned from specific servers and things are fair and microsoft cant do anything about it if its kept open source.

[@ChristianWario]

Would be cool if it was merged or compatible with mod loaders like Forge and Fabric too.

[@AwesomeCamera87_HD]

@@ChristianWario yea i think if curseforge is just available for bedrock we wont even need to buy anything from the marketplace and yea we have mcpedl which is powered by overwolf same as curseforge and if we just want to make money selling minecraft mods or maps we could upload them in linkvertise and share the link in mcpedl and make money without making others spend (yea ik the sponsors to the website spend but they are big big companies so no worries)

[@maxgosselin62]

Couldn't Microsoft just copyright strike that?

[@6clix331]

that sounds like a great way to get struck by a lawsuit , and you would also need to find owners that you can really trust

[@whyareallofthegoodnamestaken]

@@maxgosselin62 would Microsoft copyright its fanbase, lose all its revenue and shut down a year later?

[@wesleydahar7797]

Minecraft may be a feat of software engineering, but if Microsoft does end up pulling the plug, then I'm sure that within hours there will be open source efforts to rebuild the game. I'm also certain that there will be a huge debate as to which language to use. Just remember that Microsoft also owns GitHub.

[@_M_643]

If minecraft ever gets rebuilt by the community, it will probably be written in C++ but with open mod support and will probably support languages like lua for writing mods. Basically, it will become a better bedrock edition.

[@sesei2149]

​@@_M_643 @wesleydahar7797 minetest?

[@_M_643]

@@sesei2149 Pretty much that but people will make it replicate the exact feel of java edition.

[@InfinityBS]

@@_M_643 Compatibility with Lua could become incredibly useful, since Lua is one of the easiest languages to learn and use. It would definitely create much more variety in the modding community.

[@TeaMaster420]

People, you know I had been literally dreaming of a minecraft version that's written in c++, and that works on all platforms, just as bedrock, and is opensource, supports lua modding of every aspect of the game, and that is completely free to use. I even wanted to open a repository on github, and start working on it, but I knew, that I will not even make a stable base for the project because I know shit about any 3d graphics programming, and all the open gl stuff just overwhelms my brain xD. Like that was my entire plan in my head for like a past month. And I also wanted it to be able to change mods without restarting the game - from the menu.

[@cunkthedelirious4486]

0:09 OH BOY mans about to start doing some BASED oven mathematics

[@mosshivenetwork117]

He had to change the title. CENSORSHIP.

[@Kaupenjoe]

As a Minecraft Java Modder and Tutorial maker, I have to point out another thing. Over the past three to four updates, the amount of changes they made to their code is insane. Since at least 1.16, Mojang changed the world generation code EVERY MAJOR VERSION, including now for the minor version from 1.19.2 and 1.19.3. I don't know where or who makes those decisions, but to me it looks like they are doing anything to make java Modders work more. I really hope that we're wrong and they won't stop java edition, but I see exactly what you're saying. I don't know, but I don't like it 🤔

[@kavishchattoor1729]

Hello yeah I watch your videos. I was debating what version to choose and what platform to choose fabric or forge. The main issue about modding is always about porting to a new version which I find it pointless. I looks at minecraft 1.12 as a different beast when it comes to coding because how different the new minecraft is. If Microsoft discontinue java, the issue is not about content, it is about legal issues. What would happen if modders and server continue. Microsoft might sue them

[@dragontos]

@@kavishchattoor1729 True we may need to make a kind of tor net for Minecraft server then.

[@kavishchattoor1729]

@@dragontos yeah

[@Puzomor]

@kaupenjoe if you think about it, there's no reason they're not supporting mods officially. Mods are officially unsupported for a reason. It's a deliberate choice, not a lack of capability. Mods simply do not make them any money. 1.0 came out in 2011. That's more than 11 years ago as of today. If they WANTED to support mods, they would have done so in the past 11 years. It's clear the official mod support is never coming, and that mods as we have them today will be disallowed sometime in the future. My guess is they'll include some sort of an "anti-cheat", which will be fundamentally incompatible with forge/fabric style mods.

[@NatetheNintendofan]

@@Puzomor And Then There goes 2b2t if it updates

[@Oddo22]

"Microsoft will Minecraft Java" best title ever 😂😂😂😂

[@joshuadelaughter]

I hope the community is able to save Java Edition if this really happens.

[@Fishnberg]

we would litrarlly fight teeth and nails if such thing would happen

[@joshuadelaughter]

@Yutong Chen Well at the end of the day there's nothing you can do. But maybe someone could make some sort of backup you could download off github.

[@Grain979]

Minecraft bedrock you can still change your skin by downloading them off of apps/websites and you can still get mods on other apps/websites for free but your points made are still valid and as someone who has moved from the Xbox 360 version to bedrock even though it will not get any more updates I still play 360 edition because I have the disk and now that you bring up points that I have seen but haven't payed attention to it now I feel that I might have to go ahead and pay my respects to fellow Java Minecrafters from someone who's favorite version is dead and will never update

[@mayravixx25]

"Minecraft bedrock you can still change your skin by downloading them off of apps/websites" While this is true, this is ONLY true for bedrock edition on PC. It's not the case on mobile unfortunately, and I just tested it to confirm my own point. Bedrock is a cheap imitation of the real thing, and I guarantee if Java edition is ever shut down, the community will riot and people will eventually stop using Microsoft's services entirely. The only reason I continue to use Windows is for a specific VST that won't work properly under WINE. If I found out that VST worked properly under Wine, I'd switch back to Linux full time no questions asked.

[@AlOstosman]

@@mayravixx25 well there are skin making apps for mobile but i'd recommend Very quickly downloading it, making your skin, saving your skin and then immiedietly deleting the app

[@Black-zn4ir]

i think its a bit unrealistic that they would remove the most popular minecraft version just because the other one gets them more money, they might as well keep java around. Also they do have another source of income besides bedrock. They made entirely new games like Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Legends which i assume are doing pretty well. They might be pushing java to side so that Bedrock is the first thing newcomers see but i dont think theyll delete it. Especially because Java doesnt even need official support if its cracked so people would just get it for free instead, which would cause Microsoft to lose money.

[@isadora6092]

@@the10thdimension which is bonkers to me, you can't do half the things you can in java or they're paid features and they dont even work well.....

[@CCoh123]

@@the10thdimension Not really. You have to pay for mods/packs to enhance the game which aren’t even real mods.

[@RhettMueller864]

@@the10thdimensiona lot of people actually

[@synexiasaturnds727yearsago7]

@@the10thdimension because you have to pay

[@revanpattiwaelapia2271]

0 views yet 3 likes, KZbin is weird

[@paisley4092]

Who fucking cares

[@XenosX4]

Nah it's just because you're very early

[@revanpattiwaelapia2271]

@@paisley4092 dang chillll

[@nuccibebo_]

It doesn't update every second

[@Biggaboo]

@@revanpattiwaelapia2271 what did it say?

[@sircamquat]

Forever surprised that anyone at all plays bedrock

[@konchu5221]

just a matter of time probably

[@LavaHead64]

I feel one day minecraft java will be referred to as classic edition and will be entirely community driven

[@Fernsaur]

The fact that I can easily picture this in my head is terrifying

[@fluffhub1915]

If that does happen it would probably be a better fate than micro transaction hell cause at that point it's like watching a part of a fun childhood that has already past be desicrayed by a never ending heartless march for money

[@smellysmellthatsmells]

Based

[@bentraplay6754]

Lave Head

[@JustLex25]

@@bentraplay6754 I used to dream I would build a rocket ship and fly far away, used to dream to have fun not a laughing face saying “wake up you need to make money!” I think this is extremely valid. If-hopefully never-if Java does go away I’m keeping the code saved for each version on hard drives to re-copy the game code and nothing but the game code and I will post it online, with infinite modding capabilities as long as base code isn’t affected, for free. I hope this ages like sodium in water

[@darth_dan8886]

I do not fear discontinuation of the Java edition. As long as they don't lock it away and make it impossible to play (which is barely even possible), the game will live on. Minecraft doesn't necessarily need regular updates, in fact, having one ultimate final version would be an extremely fruitful ground for modders.

[@SundaeSaurus]

True! We've seen this happen with plenty of other games

[@osterhai]

I even think that they overload the game with updates since the Nether update, i cant even keep track anymore what is new because it is way too much instead of adding new things they should patch up the performance and make a new final ending and then the game would be more then complete in my opinion.

[@darth_dan8886]

@@osterhai Same. They're now releasing stuff on schedule, no matter if its ready or not. And we end up with a lot of api-breaking changes that shouldn't have happened (example: they split the Caves and Cliffs into two updates... So much modding effort wasted because they couldn't just hold it and release it whole.

[@shadow45432]

I only use 1.12.2 anyway

[@totallynoteverything1.]

the moment they start suing should signify war

[@jacechatter5981]

if this happens i will tell my neighbor kevin

[@elitecereal]

Kevin will be so upset.

[@bummy6661]

not Kevin 🫣

[@imm0rt544]

not Kevin!

[@magicalplace3788]

Kevin will protest. Kevin will protect.

[@hizkip7121]

Please don't do kevin like that

[@insertchannelnamehere6511]

Here before he realises the title is "Microsoft will Minecraft Java"

[@DagreenApple]

me when Microsoft will Minecraft Java

[@so_much_for_jj]

NO! When Microsoft will Minecraft Java, we’ll all be in trouble!!

[@_Killkor]

When it will, oh, it will!

[@Jisntcool]

Gonna be crazy when Microsoft will Minecraft Java!!

[@creppruby]

will Microsoft Minecraft Java?

[@rxblessed]

So since most Minecraft content on YT/other forms of media is Java edition, and that content helps market the game to audiences, deleting Java would be Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot. I hope there’s somebody up there in Microsoft who can see why deleting it is a bad idea, not just for the community but for them as well!

[@DagreenApple]

and it will become the most hated company in the history

[@5uperM]

You really think they're not comoplete morons? From what I've seen companies would throw their best employees off a cliff if they could make some few extra bucks off of it.

[@_Killkor]

@@DagreenApple Literally, they'd kill the most popular game of all time. Imagine being that much of an L. But then again, it's f*ckin' Microsoft...

[@cyl3611]

i might be saying something stupid but over the course of 5-10 years like pippen said at the start of the video, mojang might start making moves to migrate the majority of the playerbase to bedrock or something. It might seem outlandish but it might be possible over a period of 5-10 years.

[@rxblessed]

@@cyl3611 yeah, I figure Microsoft is going to pull strings to make Java more obsolete. But the best form of protest we have rn is to keep playing Java till the ship sinks

[@bluewind7988]

It's sad to see this happening to what's one of the most important games in my life. Corporate greed can and often will corrupt anything it touches.

[@usaidandsaaimcrafts6668]

I guess after the discontinuation of Java , every Java player might be playing on cracked Minecraft launchers like TLauncher , Slayyr and LunarClient e.t.c. I hope Java will continue .

[@TheVampireFishQueen]

@@usaidandsaaimcrafts6668 Thing is I think its very unlikely that Java will ever be discontinue.

[@Todd5747]

​@@usaidandsaaimcrafts6668 if we're lucky java Minecraft will live on long after microsoft bedrock ends like classic doom continues to get fresh mods on pc, played through launchers like zdoom.

[@guillermoelnino]

Most important game IN YOURE LIKE? Its the most important game period.

[@meinkek7896]

When you go deep enough. its jews. Jews corrupt everything they touched. Even gaming.

[@fryfly5599]

Thing is Java technically does not require support from microsoft, cracked versions of the game can be started without ever connecting to mojangs authentification servers (certain minecraft servers also do not require authentication to connect), making it possible to play the game even if microsoft decides to completely shut down any official support or updates. Which might kill the game for some people, but many minecraft communities dont update to new versions anyway. Most minigames for example, are still played in 1.8.9, which you could totally continue playing on.

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

funny you say that when 1.8 servers have just started dying

[@franzgrafconradvonhotzendo7494]

1.9 pvp has been gaining a lot of attraction and has been growing way faster while 1.8 has stagnated

[@SLKibara]

@@franzgrafconradvonhotzendo7494 I would chalk that to a lot of people who only play 1.8 servers being uninterested in Minecraft in general. I know I am. The new updates don't interest me and I have more interesting games to play.

[@ametrinefirebird7125]

Good combat is just so old now. Beta 1.7.3 is my favorite version, but I never play it. Ya know?

[@3NTR4PT4]

ye beta 1.7.3 community is alive and thriving

[@jucedoesthings4534]

Hey, Pippen, just to correct something that weirded me out, Java never banned single player for users who were banned nor was censorship enabled on single player. That has always been a Bedrock exclusive due to the fact that every single Bedrock world is handled as a local multiplayer world

[@fitmotheyap]

Java worlds are also local servers lol They just don't require authentication

[@jucedoesthings4534]

@@fitmotheyap No they're not. LAN servers are, their single player servers are not. They are handled as single player servers, hence why pausing can freeze the world in a single player Java world but not a single player Bedrock world or Java LAN world. Enabling LAN makes it a local server, but, as that is not on by default and Java can switch how it handles servers internally on a whim, it allows you to switch between single player handling and multiplayer handling without a hitch

[@fitmotheyap]

@@jucedoesthings4534 hmm? They are They seperated them long ago for performance reasons I'd guess, freezing I do not know how they coded, but I doubt it's different from any other game, not that it's hard to freeze it and you might even notice that some things that depend on going constantly, but aren't a necessary part of the game stop(sound completely gets deleted or continues past the freeze)

[@jucedoesthings4534]

@@fitmotheyap It's very different. Internally they're handled differently, where single player worlds operate on entirely different rules and even LAN worlds are slightly different. That's why you can play offline on Java but not Bedrock

[@blitceed]

@@jucedoesthings4534 you can play bedrock offline, i’ve done it many times

[@xymaryai8283]

the thing i'm scared of is them discontining access to old versions. because Java edition is literally immortal as long as the internet infrastructure is still compatible. the only thing that can kill it is preventing it from being downloaded and account verification being restricted.

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

I imagine that some desperate modders would do their best to find a way around even that, if the situation for Java edition were to become that dire.

[@azurelmao]

Account verification is already broken on old versions. This issue has been brought up on mojira yet they've ignored it for a year now. Though it's not that big of a deal for the legacy community since launchers like Betacraft fix it and many other things. Issue ID is WEB-1429 if anyone's curious.

[@Gleeful_Winner]

im gonna be honest if they cut java, i have a feeling forge will inherit the ENTIRE player base, and then the updates are what the COMMUNITY wants cause mods and stuff, and then you can choose to have the updates or not.

[@samfrank910]

@@azurelmao Theres been issues of peoples mncrafts vanishing already. Had a friend lose his minecraft and couldn't figure out why (I ended up gifting him a code) but like theres so many bugs.

[@usaidandsaaimcrafts6668]

I guess after the discontinuation of Java , every Java player might be playing on cracked Minecraft launchers like TLauncher , Slayyr and LunarClient e.t.c. I hope Java will continue .

[@someguywithnocontent7871]

We need the whole community to start talking about this. We need mojang and MineCraft to stop with NDA's with content creators. We need to save not Java edition, but MineCraft as whole. I know deep down that if java edition does die, the community will find a way to keep playing, it just sucks that it would have to be without official support , and we'd lose out on new updates :(

[@SundaeSaurus]

Eh. The new updates were meh We have waited for so long only for them to add funny teehee George Washington Japanese trees

[@Jeremonkey90]

Honestly the game is good the way it is (besides bugs and performance) it doesn’t need new updates imo

[@HungryWarden]

@Jeremonkey In order for Minecraft to not die, they have to add more stuff. It’s just how things go.

[@phoenixtalon100]

No more updates is a good thing though. It's literally the dream of every mod creator to have their game stop updating, do you know how much that will allow them to focus on making mods better?

[@HungryWarden]

@@phoenixtalon100 well, that means all Bedrock players don’t get any new content because mods aren’t on Bedrock.

[@eggbug2244]

I’m honestly not too worried, because even if it gets abandoned, I know there are people dedicated enough to make the updates on their own for us to download

[@fitmotheyap]

Not just that, servers are well.. servers Minigames don't rely on updates, any server that needs it's own things will simply make a fabric mod

[@steeleliftsyt]

But sadly, Microsoft's legal team would just tear down server IPs and threaten individuals for stealing intellectual property.

[@philspaghet]

@@steeleliftsyt Fuck em

[@lava942]

@@steeleliftsyt If Microsoft cuts Java edition support than that doesn’t necessarily mean modding support will be cut, just that official updates won’t happen anymore. Though if Microsoft outright deletes Java edition then that would be the most stupidenously stupid move a company can make.

[@filth121]

Well ik that im saving up for a pc because although i love bedrock i want java for reasons like the mods (which if java was discontined microsoft would probably discinue being able to get free mods like boimes o plenty because then they make profit off of sales in the microsoft store) and then also becuase of all the things java has to offer like the better farms which i think theyd paradize minecraft bedrock to have parody with java in this area at least id hope i just really want mods to stay :(

[@beepymemes]

Everyone remember the minigames built-in on Legacy console? And the lobby with all the secrets? Those were good times. Edit: omg 770 likes ty Edit 2: 870 !!

[@thanos4959]

yeah, I really do miss the legacy console edition

[@clovactiisgay]

Yeah I remember playing on those and escaping the lobbies as a bat lol

[@cxryptonic]

lol

[@Soredli]

I remember the survival game one that I always lost because I was like 7 or 8 or 9 and also the shovel game where you are on snow platforms and you dig the snow to eliminate players but I never saw the secrets in the lobbies

[@clovactiisgay]

@@SoredliI LOVED SURVIVAL GAMES- ngl that's what forced me to get good at Minecraft. I had gamers to impress lol

[@Tamajyn69]

I've been theorizing this happening for the last year or so now too. Microsoft hates java. They are likely running at a loss off java. As you pointed out no micro transactions, no map sales, no skins sales = no $ for microsoft. I theorize that it may even be within 3-5 years that they announce that they'll no longer be developing updates for java due to "technical limitations." I don't think they'll be able to cut access altogether though. Luckily the thriving java modding community has more creativity in their pinky finger than microsoft's entire company combined. You're right about it being a slow and calculated death though.

[@TuleAC23]

I don’t play Java, but I would drop bedrock in solidarity if this happened tbh

[@lolo-yb7fp]

I'm a bedrock player because my pc is weak as hell, if this happens, I will drop too. Java Edition is the best version of the game, more polished, beautiful and it has even the mod and shaders supports

[@chewy99.]

Jeez bedrock players really whipping themselves here in this comment section like seriously we do got mods and shaders and the guy above me doesn’t even know… and he says Java edition is better even though he hasn’t played?

[@chewy99.]

@@fartsmella9267 Ngl the menus aside from world options are quite glitchy and it’s annoying. But the actual base game, I experience very few bugs.

[@braunreal]

@@chewy99. real minecraft has literally everything bedrock has but better, more customizable, and free, too. It also just has more stuff overall. I've played both for years, real minecraft since 2012 and bedrock since ~2019.

[@chewy99.]

@@braunreal lol “real Minecraft” don’t be salty my dude they’re both Minecraft. And Java edition isn’t free… unless you’re pirating it or something. Java doesn’t have everything that bedrock has and bedrock doesn’t have everything that Java has. For example you can’t make custom worlds in bedrock like in Java but in Java you can’t have dyeable cauldron water and chests and hoppers can’t be moved by pistons.

[@Zandercraft]

Also don't forget that most console versions are artificially limited to the "Featured Servers" only. Some consoles (like XBox) even had the ability to connect to any server before, but removed that later... You can still play on a server by changing DNS or having it on your local network so it has nothing to do with compatibility, they just want the only servers available to be the ones they choose.

[@jbritain]

I can somewhat understand why they don't support it on consoles, as they can't moderate what players see in third party servers.

[@Zandercraft]

@@jbritain Indeed, except that I don't buy a whole console to be limited to that. It's the same as this subscription to use online services... With PC games it is assumed that you get online services without an addition subscription, yet for some reason we still tolerate consoles charging fairly large amounts just to play online (in some cases P2P online, not even via their servers).

[@9bang88]

@@jbritain ok but thats every MP game

[@Zandercraft]

@papu As I said... The console versions don't allow this...

[@trader9028]

@@Zandercraftit does I have it installed and I’m actually playing on it as we speak

[@williamgraystone3288]

Great video. You've actually convinced me that 1 of 2 things is going to happen 1. Microsoft will add more microtransactions to Java edition, so that both versions of the game are profitable, taking away modding and playstyle freedom for the community. 2. Microsoft will stop support for the Java edition of the game, not deleting it, but tempting players by only adding content to the profit-driven Bedrock edition Whatever they decide on, it will take a heavy hit on Minecraft, and might permanently cripple the game, but sadly, Microsoft doesn't care. Their goal is to make money, not a good game, so as long as the numbers keep rolling in, they won't be concerned with the quality of the game. Subscribed, keep up the good work

[@DesertFoxWITHAFREAKINGKNIFE]

Or 3,ppl will use TL and fuck it all over with Microsoft,because they are nothing in Russia,They left our country

[@crazycanyon3028]

If they add micro transactions to java who cares they haven’t done anything to take away modding capabilities from bedrock and only improve them why do you think they have any reason to do it to java

[@bapyvillager349]

if they discontinue java, its probably worse for microsoft because less players means less money.

[@uhlan30]

Java edition becoming discontinued would have a silver lining for the modding community. No more updates would mean everyone could just port their mod to the final version of Java edition and never have to worry about it again. No more abandoned mods becoming lost to old Minecraft versions. No more not getting to use some of your favorite mods together because some of them aren’t updated past 1.12.2 and others only go back as far as 1.16.5. I’m sure there would be plenty of mods porting over the new updates being made for Bedrock edition too.

[@clankstar3788]

bro it wont be problem for the modding community because literally no one uses mods on the newest version

[@sfsksasbs3]

unfortunately if java edition does get discontinued modders wont really switch to bedrock edition because to my (limited) knowledge its almost impossible to make a mod loader for a game like minecraft when you cant get the source code (if java edition does get nuked i hope i get proven wrong)

[@shoegazelvr]

not to mention, mods have always given us more than any update ever has

[@clankstar3788]

@@sfsksasbs3 they are not that many people

[@sfsksasbs3]

@@clankstar3788 not that many people doing what? modding?

[@zgalexy834]

Bedrock/pocket edition was the version of my childhood. I played it constantly when I was young, and it will always have a special place in my heart. I left and now play Java specifically because of Microsoft's new changes. It's a money grab now and isn't even the same game. For goodness sake, even the vanilla gameplay has changed. On my old devices, I could get a good 24 chunks and it felt like I was playing the same game as the famous KZbinrs everyone was watching. Now on the same devices, I can only get 9 chunks maximum (that's the limit, even when my device wasn't struggling) and I can tell the second I log in that I'm playing Bedrock. Something just feels different. Like it's just a lower-quality version of the game made to keep up Microsoft's profit margin.

[@seevenmc]

The common agreement in the bedrock community is that the main reason for the decline in the games quality is the "new" (at this point almost 2 year old) render engine, renderdragon. It was implemented with nvidia to provide rtx support to minecraft bedrock (pc only, even though some consols could theoretically run it and there has even been an rtx beta for the ps5, but nothing ever came out of that). And oh boy are we angry about renderdragon. It decreases performance, introduces input delay, limits your game settings (you can still change them but only via files), completely destroying custom shaders the community made (yes, there are free mods, texture packs and skins for bedrock) and generally makes your game feel less smooth. Plus it even rendered some of the ui's of the partnered servers useless, but that quickly got fixed. It has come to a point of where most of the community is using 1.18 since the 32 bit version of that is still without renderdragon and thats the reason most bedrock servers wont (or at least shouldnt) remove 1.18 support. If they do, then a lot of people will quit or use proxies which allow you to join servers on different regions, an example being tedac, but thats still in early stages. TL;DR: Microsoft introduced a new render engine for rtx, which itself is getting left on the side, and that made the game worse for everyone else without an rtx graphics card in every possible imaginable way

[@theseagullwithteeth116]

I don’t know if minecraft on consoles is bedrock or not but you’re completely right. Admittedly I play on an Xbox one but still, it’s MINECRAFT not some 8k ultra-realistic game. It’s so poorly optimised that it takes at least 5 minutes to get from opening the game to actually loading into a world. If I try opening the settings while in the main menu the game can’t handle it and soft crashes. My render distance is only 13 chunks but it still struggles to load everything in and the game will often have small lag spikes where I have to mine a block twice or it freezes up for second.

[@mrtoasty3698]

Yea on any console and phone chunk rendering is terrible. Like you said it used to be 24 but they decreased it to 14 from what I remember. Compared to windows 10 it’s ridiculous, I have a ok Pc and I run 40 chunks easily. I used to be able to run 80 with slight performance decrease

[@alistair1418]

Imagine if Microsoft was competent enough to add Sodium levels of performance improvement to the game LMAO

[@seevenmc]

@@alistair1418 From what it looks/feels like, they’re developing the Anti-Sodium performance

[@bettercalldelta]

When microsoft bought Minecraft, I knew they would slowly change things one by one to make us forget and get used to it. They had bad intentions from the start, but they wanted to avoid large public backlash, by doing those mental gymnastics on us.

[@winstance4493]

Indeed… unfortunately only we old players were aware of that because we knew what the game was like at its start, and now people will pay a high price for it.

[@gixerson8212]

@@winstance4493 Exactly.

[@jobhighschoolofcrosscity8430]

@Enderlytra the old minecraft feel ended for me in 1.8.9 Then "cool" minecraft was 1.9 to 1.12.2 The rest for me is modded minecraft.

[@personman2346]

They make make good updates after a bad one. Its like polishing the hood of the car after putting a bomb in the engine

[@z3v..]

mental gymnastics

[@mind-of-neo]

I can see them just straight up taking away minecraft java completely. If you start the launcher with internet turned off, they're already showing threatening messages about how "Microsoft can't verify what products you own"

[@TheVampireFishQueen]

That very unlikely to happen.

[@giakhanhvn2mc]

you can launch java edition by the command line

[@ahasif_]

Minecraft has been going downhill ever since Microsoft took over. i dont even know what to say if this really is happening.

[@fabiofanf3e813]

1.14, 1.16, 1.17/18, better togheder(not as he put in the video) it hasnt gone downhill, its just java purists wanting to be the only version

[@killerkitten7534]

Going downhill despite the fact they literally made it the best selling game ever? Swear to god notch fanboys astound me with their copes

[@lt.schlechtnacht9414]

Oh you mean like Skype, windows 10 and all the other shit that they bought? yeah we know

[@ahasif_]

@@killerkitten7534 i barely know anything about notch, but what im saying is have you seen how broken their rules for the bedrock edition marketplace is? they say that copyright items from other games should not be sold there, but it is full of copyrighted things taken from other games and pirated maps. but microsoft doesn't take them down because it is making them money

[@winstance4493]

@@fabiofanf3e813 nah, 1.7.10 and below are the best

[@zara8289]

As someone who has been in the software industry for 30 years I can say you're pretty much spot on from a business ROI point of view. I suspect however instead of killing off the java version per se they will slowly bring it to parity with bedrock (re: micro-transaction hell) first. They will get better ROI if they can convert as many of the java population over to the micro-transaction bedrock model. This will be softer than just killing out java from under everyone (and as you mention something they can draw out over time to minimize any grumblings from the community). However once you have parity between versions on the micro transaction side and they feel they have converted all the people they can they will then at that point kill it off essentially as a duplicate product, likely while adding features to bedrock and attempt to sell it as a 'unification' event between both bedrock and java communities. This is sort of classic stuff to do when you want to "migrate" a business unit's existing customer/user base you've bought under your existing core business. Online software companies today care really about two things only - at least these are two of the biggest KPIs they watch closely daily: DAU (Daily Active Users) & CR (Conversion Rate; which is essentially how many people exposed vs engaged to put it simply). Due to these driving factors they will of course put everything towards micro-transactions as they are essentially what "powers" modern software along with subscription models. Long gone are the days of buying software and you owning it. Which sucks really and is not how any of this should be. Hopefully someday laws can be made or changed which force these companies to have to provide you with all your purchased digital assets instead of just sucking money out of people and then ultimately you get nothing back in the end. We've adopted this stance (in society) that if it's digital it's OK to screw the customer. Of course this would never be allow for any physical asset you would buy from a company generally speaking. One last add; micro-transactions should be illegal as well. They ruin this industry and they are gambling and addictive negative reinforcement cloaked in shiny graphics and the alure of advantage.

[@LeMicronaut]

Cosmetic mtx has gotten out of hand. I'd really prefer to go back to the norm of party host buys the new mission/map pack and allows joiners to play it (its like a temporary torrent) if the content is good and people can afford to, they will buy it for unfettered access or to be the benefactor of their friendgroup. The issue is you can't really review, critique, and gatekeep cosmetic mtx cause it is all too subjective and emotionally rooted, but you can much more rationally look at a mission or game mechanic and say, "yes, this really improves the experience or i admire it for xyz technical acconplishments." Without that critical element that easier method of sell is going to dominate. What is the point of the designers to try harder or publishers to ensure the game plays right if they're not really the reason for the game's financial viability.

[@samblackstone3400]

Micro transactions should be legal, but require your game to be registered as a casino. Companies prey on children with no concept of the value of money or risk vs reward with these systems, it is an illegal gambling operation.

[@xxjackirblackbloddxx7377]

Ofc its coming we are literallt living in a dystopia

[@paulw4848]

Very well explained. The Biggest thing i took from this comment was Microsoft could use parity against us.

[@sfsksasbs3]

the problem with doing this to java edition is its not too difficult to decompile it and patch new things in so hopefully if this does happen it wont be as bad (but still pretty bad)

[@null]

I knew this would be a thing, one of my friends predicted it 3ish years ago and it’s becoming more of a reality.

A lot of people knew it since the beginning

[@shiny2421]

@ Yeah, I remember saying right as Better Together released "This is an attempt to kill Java" and nobody believed me. But I'm definitely feeling some redemption, now. I still hope I'm wrong, but this all is lining up too well.

[@Nothingtoseeh3r3]

Wait Lisora, is that you????

[@GDNashit]

Midway through the video as you were talking about the freedom of Minecraft I couldn't help but think "We're gonna lose it all" over and over Enjoy it while it lasts

[@TheVampireFishQueen]

We wont lose it.

[@abox1942]

@@TheVampireFishQueen how do you know

[@Blocktron17-ch4gv]

@@abox1942 Good question if a vast majority of the Minecraft player base some how switched over to Java then that might mean that bedrock looses popularity and Java gets more people on it, so Microsoft may not want to feel with a massive consequence if this happened. A. Reason why Minecraft Java is still supported is because of the community or the players of Java Minecraft so I strongly believe that as long as the Java community continues to convince Microsoft to continue support for Minecraft Java then Microsoft could keep supporting it in this specific scenario. I hope I could help!

[@Archrid]

Whether or not this particular point is true, it's becoming increasingly clear that Microsoft, and yes, Mojang, too, have become hostile forces towards the community. We should view them with increasing suspicion and push back harder every time they do something like chat reporting. They've burned their goodwill.

[@Arch-Vex]

we cant act like notch was a good person, but certainly he listened to the comunity- atleast at first- more than microsoft rigt now

[@HappyPlaysWasTaken]

@@Arch-Vex notch's controversy happened long after he sold the game. we dont know what he was like while developing it

[@chewy99.]

@@Arch-Vex Why was/ is he not a good person?

[@FloridaManGaming]

@@chewy99. a few years ago he said some stuff that's pretty racist and homophobic

[@Valediction9]

@@FloridaManGaming He didn't intend to have the message about a straight pride come across that way, it was a genuine question and he got an answer, and he learned and apologized that it came across in such way

[@ChristianWario]

If this is true, it's a real shame. Having played both Bedrock and Java quite a bit, Java is easily the best version of the game in my opinion. Not to mention that many people, such as KZbinrs, streamers, modders, server staff, devs, etc make a living off this game through the work they do with it. Edit: thanks for the likes!

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

I just wish they'd optimize it or maybe put in a lot of effort to port it over to a language like c++. It just runs so so badly. Other than that I'm in love

[@prosandcons-fl2cc]

@@aguyontheinternet8436 if they port it over, the entire feel of java would be different. All of the little details in the movements engine would be lost

[@vibaj16]

@@prosandcons-fl2cc Not if they did a good job

[@prosandcons-fl2cc]

@@vibaj16 are you really saying that?

[@vibaj16]

@@prosandcons-fl2cc yes...

[@ryanad2000]

Two reasons I'm not concerned. 1) servers are third party so cannot be shut down 2) Modders will continue to provide third party content and will almost certainly create a modding renaisance like in 1.12 now that theres no fears of mods becoming outdated which also allows mods to be ported.

[@alexolivers9476]

They can make the launcher no longer functional though like they did if you didn't migrate your account. I would hope they wouldn't do that. It wouldn't make the game unplayable, but you would have to use an unofficial launcher

[@kavishchattoor1729]

@@alexolivers9476 I mean they can do that but we all know that a lot of modders and developpers online would the game alive and better

[@somerandomguyontheinternet162]

two words: "Cease" and "desist"

[@cd2320]

Servers can definitely be shut down-at least the public ones. Just takes them to cease and desist every major server

[@ryanad2000]

@@alexolivers9476 To be fair that's not too bad, many people already use things such as the AT launcher and Technic launcher.

[@5uperM]

I've told my friends and people on the internet that this has been happening and a lot of them thought I was crazy. Some of them eventually agreed with me, but it was only after the changes were implemented. If we want our community to survive we might need to must take equally as strong actions to make sure our community survives this invasion.

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

Microsoft = Pillager Minecraft = Villager Jenny = Cheerleader

[@5uperM]

@@davidarvingumazon5024 truer words have never been spoken

[@canaconn2388]

You're going to forget about this in 2 weeks

[@smokewish]

@@canaconn2388 that’s what microsoft wants that’s literally their whole plan

[@Jdudec367]

@@davidarvingumazon5024 who is Jenny?

[@LiquidSoapDrinker]

Worse is how bedrock literally lies about what they're selling, they sell "mods" that are just command blocks and texture packs.

[@sisilicon14]

When did bedrock says it sells mods? It sells maps, texture packs and skin packs. Anf for the record, mods on Bedrock aren't just command blocks and texture packs. There are addons too, which are Bedrock's equivalent of datapacks.

[@Gleeful_Winner]

@@sisilicon14 thats why he put quotes around it, their tryna be something that java has.

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@Gleeful_Winner bro bedrock players almost all Players say it an addon not mod

[@Gleeful_Winner]

@@nothingherezero7182 the addons are trying to be mods, thats what im saying.

[@umamifan]

@@Gleeful_Winner I mean what else could they do? Better than having no addons at all

[@Bryzerse]

I think you are absolutely right. I have thought this for ages now, since better together really. It seems so hilarious now to think back to the days where we all bullied pocket edition for being a laughable imitation of Minecraft, yet now it is actually on its way to enveloping the true Minecraft.

[@XZ1.]

And it's still a laughable imitation

[@mr.breadman4181]

@@XZ1. hey what's wrong with bedrock?

[@Kook_604]

@@mr.breadman4181 as much as I love bedrock it does feel like a knock off of minecraft sometimes

[@mr.breadman4181]

@@Kook_604 well to me it feels like Minecraft because I grew up with console Minecraft

[@randomlynate]

@@pnksounds Totally agree. The movement is so hard to use. I only use it like once a year on console with someone else

[@Crybyte]

“Embrace, extend, and extinguish” Microsoft has a strong track record of doing what they can to dominate marketshare.

[@penguinsushi8442]

Most insidious process of acquisition (and it's profitable long-term). Forgot about their process of **EEE**

[@MightyWinz]

The science elf viewer right?

[@bobbygoestoabyss6624]

triple E

[@Crybyte]

@@MightyWinz nah, but thanks for the recc. the science elf video is a really good video for anyone curious

[@itsthesola10]

They’re doing the exact same thing with Linux, pushing WSL on the desktop. This decade is seeing the most ambitious extinguishment projects from Microsoft. We must take a stand and fight for our digital freedoms.

[@notarandom7]

I think even if it happens, it would be updated by fans

[@thepeculiarhalo1003]

@@jythmivena6617 pretty sure it's not. It's not really any different than mods, it would just be more organized

[@ezzyth8824]

@@jythmivena6617 holy shit we dont care 'muh illegal'. It's a fucking video game.

[@masela01]

@@jythmivena6617 it's not since java will become abandonware at that point

[@MilkIsTheOne]

@@masela01 A weird kind of abandon ware Minecraft will be forever be changed, updated or bug fixed

[@notarandom7]

@@jythmivena6617 „tHis iS iLLEgal“, tell me where does it say that fan updates aren‘t allowed? Decompiling is completly legal

[@charlestonianbuilder344]

Now heres a crazy take on this, if they want to stop supporting java, the best thing they can do to avoid backlash is to make both versions interconnected, transferring worlds between versions, full parity, and modding capability, if they were to do that i can easily see the transition happening but in a long timespan.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

I mean the problem is if they do parity by removing a lot of Java features instead of adding them to bedrock (mainly redstone, could you imagine them removing 1 ticking, quasi connectivity, other Java exclusive things like that?) The fact is, Java is just fuller than bedrock so parity requires either work I don't think they want to put in to make bedrock as good as java, or dragging down java to bedrock.

[@charlestonianbuilder344]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 best way to solve the difference between the redstones of both versions is to make a new redstone like ore, bluestone, which adds bedrock's redstone systems to java and adds java's redstone systems to bedrock, with bedrock just having a color change to blue stone to keep existing redstone in working order, its a compromise, but the best one. As changing any version's redstone to be onpar with the other will break that versions redstone communites, we had suggested a cave update before acting like they'll never do it, but look where we are now.

[@truss3518]

Facts

[@wewbie]

They wanna make money, that ain’t happening

[@GDcelta]

the issue with that is that java doesnt make as much money as bedrock sincd it doesnt have ingame purchases, and addind that wouldnt go well

[@RandomiaGaming]

The worst thing is that in my heart I completely agree. You are absolutely right. One thing is that on Java edition servers you can turn off the moderation and chat filter features to make your server completely filter free, however, doing so will get you a nasty pop up whenever someone joins your server saying that chat is unfiltered. It's very clear that Microsoft is trying to bully Java edition servers into enabling the chat filter. On my server its still disabled and people have freedom of speech but I won't be surprised if that freedom doesn't last long.

[@Simiae]

Im not sure but that really annoys me when i play mcc island server

[@andyk2386]

you could say bullying, or you could say its a legitimate disclaimer..... its not nasty its honest. YOU CAN RUN INTO THINGS YOU DONT WANT TO SEE, microsoft is not responsible for any bigotry, or nasty language you might find. how is that "nasty"

[@Simiae]

@@andyk2386 your brain doesnt process properly. The pop up just covers your screen and it is just plain annoying. That is why it is nasty

[@JohnSmith-ik8nt]

Your server doesn't have free speech

[@FleshBrain]

​@@andyk2386Shitty excuse, they already show a message before entering multiplayer, why showing it on every server. I already agreed on that, stop harassing me with stupid messages on every connection.

[@mail-387]

If Java is gone Minecraft would lose so much, it could not be true.

[@anonymousfish2456]

I think the question that needs to be asked is "how much would Microsoft lose" because clearly that's all Microsoft considers.

[@pebble312]

@@SmellyHam Umm… but you’re ignoring the part where it will still be awful for the entire java playerbase 😂 Stopping updates is honestly nearly just as bad as deleting it entirely lmao

[@MeltedToast84]

@@pebble312 it is nowhere near as bad. Would you rather never be able to play the game ever again, or be able to play it despite lack of updates

[@josiahfugal5407]

Microsoft, however, would stand to gain.

[@ComradeCorvus]

Communities can keep legacy content alive. Look at Titanfall 2 and its Northstar client. It is possible for communities to keep an abandoned game alive. And if microsoft comes after us for doing so and has it taken down, someone will re-upload it somewhere else. There is no way in which they can truly kill off java. They will not win.

[@Banana_Fusion]

We're gonna be looking back at this video in 10 years or so, wishing that we had done something sooner...

[@bencns]

What can we do?

[@bemwy]

If it happens we backlash, we wont have to wish anything

[@Neon-ws8er]

@@bemwy a backlash wont do anything. the kids microsoft profits off of wont be affected, if anything they’ll be rooting for the deletion of java because they’re convinced that bedrock is better. you can’t cancel a corporation.

[@omegamad]

@@Neon-ws8er the unfortunate truth...

[@Oxygenationatom]

@@bencns getting involved 😈😈😈

[@Unstoppab1e]

I think the scarier thing could be them bringing new updates to bedrock keeping it fresh and leaving Java like 2 updates/years behind. We’ve seen this with experimental features where bedrock got the skulk and goat horns earlier than Java.

[@alegzzis]

it's not surprising and because bedrock has an "experimental features" switch, instead of creating a separate snapshot version, they can add experimental stuff there, to the normal release

[@HarambaeXelonmuskfans]

Works out since the new updates lack anything good anyway. Regardless of my opinion, if you want the new stuff just mod it, I’m sure with a community this large some shmuck will.

[@DearHRS]

@@alegzzis you can make similar argument for if Microsoft decided to change experimental features are handled in Java edition, instead of making snapshots like it has been done for years they put experimental features button or they add separate client of the Java edition of game called Minecraft Java edition beta, then someone will definitely point finger and say ," guys, look... they are going to add micro transactions next because they changed how Java edition used to handle its experiment features".

[@aldo-tn]

this is what Pocket Edition users went through before 2018, some features even going >5 years behind

[@NA-uz7co]

Then we havent lost anything, lets be honest, who cares about 2 New Blocks and 1 new boat after 1 year of waiting

[@skydivingmoose1671]

As someone who only plays Minecraft for mods, all I hope is that they keep Java playable and open for modding. It would be nice to get the new updates, but mosses could add any necessary features from the updates.

[@chewy99.]

Yeah honestly if you’re just playing for mods and/or servers Java is better for you. But base game wise I think bedrock is better. Performs better.

[@Akab]

The thing is, officially, minecraft java still has no mod support, so also exactly because of that, no real way to close down modding except of what they are already doing all the time, which is obfuscating the code... All those modding tools, forge, fabric, spigot etc. Are third party tools created by the community that reverse engineered the game... there's really nothing to thank Microsoft or mojang for there👍

[@xenird]

@@chewy99. game wise bedrock would be better if it didn't have more bugs than features 💀💀

[@HungryWarden]

Java players get upset about weird random bugs like being able to see snowflakes in front of the water even if they are falling on the other side. Most Bedrock bugs aren’t even that bad.

[@faeu987]

i cant belive that microsoft will minecraft java :(

[@lovecraftgaming6507]

Remember when the whole 'microsoft will add microtransactions to Minecraft' was a meme. It won't be anymore, Notch has abandoned us

[@AlexK-jp9nc]

Bedrock has a mobile game currency that you can use to buy skins. I think that counts as a micro transaction right?

[@omegamad]

@@AlexK-jp9nc that's literally what they are talking about

[@TiredEyePilot]

I'm not upset about the marketplace. It's cool that people making really impressive maps can turn a profit from it now. I get Microsoft just added it for selfish reasons but it's not an awful feature imo.

[@TiredEyePilot]

Although the super overpriced stuff is annoying to me that's really mostly designated to servers like mine Ville while servers like cubecraft the hive and galaxite make purchases a thing that's only for cosmetics and junk. I'm not happy about it but excluding the god awful servers where doing anything costs money it's not a big issue to me.

[@meloney]

@@TiredEyePilot its an issue for gullible people, kids mostly, to throw away their money. A profit could be made before too with premium texturepacks. This is just ridicoulous and definitely a bad thing.

[@Anterman0]

Aw man, this brought back some old memories of mine. I used to be an Xbox One Edition player, and used to make small worlds for others to play on. I would use Xbox One Edition's integrated moderator ui to make it work out, and it did for a while. When Bedrock Edition came out at first, I tried it out, since it was free for anyone who owned Xbox One Edition. Didn't really enjoy it, since command blocks were really strange to me, especially coming from a Minecraft that didn't have them, or any type of plugins or mods. So, for the next couple months, I stayed on Xbox One Edition, and kept doing what I love most. However, I started noticing small changes within the community. The Xbox One has a Group Post system, where players could find others to play a game with. Some of them would be for Faction servers, and others were for good ol' Survival. For these months, I would notice that there were less and less Group Posts being made, and I went from seeing a surreal amount of Group Posts every minute to about 30-50 group posts active every day. I did some digging myself to figure out what was going on with the community, and it wasn't that a majority of them switched to Bedrock Edition, but Xbox One Edition itself was no longer purchasable. This limited the player-base, and overall, discouraged me to continue hosting small worlds. Nothing was the same once I found that out, and eventually, I stopped hosting small worlds in Xbox One Edition altogether. I attempted to in Bedrock Edition, but nothing that was long-term. I'm now officially retired from creating and hosting servers, as I realized the limits of Bedrock Edition, and how many steps ahead society was from Minecraft as a whole. Whether it came to the thought process of players to the complex exploiting, everyone knew how far behind Bedrock Edition was from Java Edition, but it was the only option available to them, so they had to make do with what they had. In conclusion, there is no "Bad" version of Minecraft, but there'll never be a version of Minecraft that satisfied every player, or lasts eternally. I wish I could go back to the times when I could make a small game, make a Group Post, and watch as I got notifications of people being interested in my passionate projects and game ideas. However, I also have to move on as time has, which is something that's inevitable to avoid. If anyone spends the time to read this message, just know that if Java Edition goes down this path, someone out there will post a comment or a thread almost linear to this one, talking about the good times they had, the memories they made, and how they watched as their respected player-base crumbled. Thank you for your time, and I wish you a respectful day. "Never forget what they took from us."

[@Carlosk12]

I grew up with the xbox 360 edition, and that is the version of Minecraft I loved the most. I completely understand where you're coming from

[@ethanhaynes7406]

I'm right here with you bro. I used to join worlds just like the ones you talked about hosting. I started on 360 back in 2012 and I stayed on Xbox One edition till sometime in 2019 because of how bad bedrock was compared to classic console. But by then, I had mellowed out enough that I gave in. I played a decent amount of bedrock for the next year and a bit and really enjoyed finally being able to play with friends on other platforms (especially with the pandemic) but overtime I've slowly lost interest in the game due to how frustrating bedrock is. I still keep up with the minecraft community, but I hardly ever play the game myself anymore, and that goes for most people I know too. Sometimes I worry that maybe I've just grown up too much, but then every once in a while I open up classic console, and my enjoyment for the game all comes rushing back, longing for the days of a world run by 4J studios. One that's bug free, stable, fun, and filled with love of the community. From minigames to custom superflat, in my eyes 4J are the ones who really understood minecraft. Sorry for the ramble, I just have a strong fondness for that time and that game, and I just want to thank you for being part of our awesome community

[@bruhgod123]

first console versions get destroyed now java

[@athryn9611]

Something similar happened with Ps4 Minecraft a few years back. I still remember how I'd be able to play a mc version identical to 1.14 with 1.9 combat and find friends easily by going around other games. the PS4 had a significant update that disabled community chats so we couldn't just find random group chats that were playing the same game as you. On top of that, there have been several updates over and over. Finding communities on mc on ps4 is almost impossible now. It isn't the same. Bedrock's addition made things even worse making the community and simple system more complex than the original ps4 version was. If we want to make a community on ps4, we'd now either have to find friends of friends that play the game, play with people we know, or otherwise go on random servers and hope there on the same console as us. Not to mention some of the things we do now only last a few rounds before getting new random players. The community on ps4 is either with people you already know, getting extremely lucky, otherwise, just play alone. I'm mainly a java player, but I do return to ps4 every now and then to play with friends. I can clearly see that the community for mc on ps4 is completely ruined and that bedrock is just an expensive knockoff of the java edition. Sure, we get more access to things like maps, skins, and stuff we normally have to find out about on our own, but now we can barely find others to play with. I'm not sure how it affected other devices, but I can say for sure that forcing bedrock onto ps4 for new game updates was not worth the loss in the community. In some cases, it could be seen more as a scam, more-so than Fortnite shop.

[@pugorilla8848]

@@bruhgod123 we must not let the best part of one of the best video games die, but ultimately; going against the will of a corporation is NEVER an easy endeavor.

[@vanderan]

While I don't think this will be the case, I can definitely see where you're coming from. No matter which way you slice it, no matter how slow you do it, the removal of the original version will always be too controversial of a step to take unless they did everything in their power to make Java as bad as possible, which would be too obvious. If it were to happen, I could definitely imagine people stepping away from the game, since Hytale would probably be out and flourishing by then.

[@marshh203]

you make a good point. however, if microsoft WERE to pull this, we can just switch to older versions, like 1.16.

[@vanderan]

@@marshh203 Yeah that too, depends on what they would do with the launcher

[@kringly4196]

The idea would be to get most of the pc players on to bedrock first by making exclusive content or something under the guise of "oh we are just trying to make this have its perks too but dont worry" Maybe update java with the same content much later though to incentivize switching to bedrock then eventually no one will care because most people will already be on that version. You have to understand that they have a lot of time to slowly widdle away at java and build up bedrock. They can easily minimize outrage as they did with other versions but i will admit it will be harder at least this time.

[@Supertimegamingify]

I don't think that's really true. They have the means to produce highly relisient strategies by which they can get what they want.

[@Wave_Duck]

@DeaconMonster2 currently 1.16.5, is my favorite version since it feels like the last version to have any soul in it. Maybe they're already trying to make the versions worse

[@tronche2cake]

The worst part about this is that I'm already seeing this strategy being currently used in real-world situations.

[@Taffles-hh9cu]

what? this is a real world situation tho. its not like an in game thing lol

[@tronche2cake]

@@Taffles-hh9cu i mean in real life politics instead of video games, sorry if that wasn't clear

[@corneliusbuckley8897]

It's great to know that even if Java is ever no longer sold, there will likely be communities built on various mods for decades to come. Probably until a game can far surpass it in terms of building and the ability to create in universe mechanisms

[@vanc9870]

Hytale 😏

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

Or, should you say..."Mekanisms"?

[@Thispersonisreal]

Java players will just laugh at Microsoft when they come crawling back begging for port to bedrock or tell their sorries so they can work on it again

[@sriracha0]

@@steam-powereddolphin5449 heh

[@Egg-Thor]

Nah there's no way they do that. Minecraft has basically no advertising. Their advertising comes pretty primarily from KZbin and Minecraft KZbinrs. That's true now and has always been true. Most Minecraft KZbinrs play Minecraft Java. If they discontinue Java, they discontinue the version of the game that brings them the most publicity. No publicity means less and less people are interested in the game and less and less people buy the game. Sure, Bedrock is what brings in the money, but Java is what KZbinrs play, which is what brings in the players in the first place. We already saw how Minecraft almost died a few years back. If they kill Java, that will happen again for sure.

[@faultedalloy3009]

HOW THE HELL DID YOU WRITE THAT IN 1 MINUTE???

[@Egg-Thor]

@@faultedalloy3009 I'm fast

[@lessar2721]

Cope. Bedrock youtubers are becoming a thing. Also he is saying in a very long time like 10 years java will be nomore

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

I hope you're right.

[@E-Animations]

He has a point. Even most bedrock players find out about the game from Java edition KZbinrs.

[@alekseighostmonster]

its sad but it reminds me of what happened to roblox. it used to feel like this cool space that was for the community, but slowly became more corporatized and marketed towards a younger and younger audience

[@gravitysword2002]

Corporation focused yes, child focus hell no, events are in no way targeting childrens

[@Wald4267]

Yes I miss 2017 Roblox it was my childhood wtf happened to the game

[@glitchy_weasel]

Yeah, I dislike when they market to children -- not because I think children shouldn't play, but because they target all these scummy micro transactions to them.

[@madebyalon3]

@@gravitysword2002 there used to be no chat filter + its like epic they shove micro transactions into their face + there are now age ratings on roblox games

[@gravitysword2002]

@@madebyalon3 chat filter ehhhh not that big of a deal Microtransaction depends on the devs, not roblox itself Age rating literally doesn't affect you if you're not a child lmao

[@erwynnipegerwynnipeg8455]

2:38 - Lycanite's Mobs 2:40 - DrZhark's MoCreatures

[@razorsaber2287]

Mojang (Microsoft) has always stated their ultimate goal has been true parity between the versions. The perfect opportunity to force a transition to sellout edition. On another note, a year or two ago, Jeb began work on a second combat update for Minecraft Java edition, it was in active development for a good period of time, showing great promise, only to come to a sudden halt. I don’t know why it stopped, but what I do know is that jeb is for Java, and I also know that this ‘combat update 2.0’ would be the ideal grounds to create parity between the two editions and their combat system

[@Skyymon]

that combat update jeb was working on had been paused and shifted aside as to focus on 1.18 at the time, but im not sure as to why he's still hasn't continued working on that combat update. im pretty certain tho that eventually he'll continue working on those combat snapshots once again, as if they want parity between versions, they'll need to work on a new combat system unlike the 1.9+ java and bedrock edition combat systems, pretty similar to that combat system jeb was making

[@flerfbuster7993]

People need to realize that this is the same company that does its damn best to FORCE you to use its shitty browser, Microsoft Edge. They CAN and WILL discontinue Java Edition if it as much as threatens profitability. I say let them have it. Let them have the soulless, corporate husk that is Bedrock Edition because they can never take the versions that already exist from us. In fact, there would be several advantages to the discontinuation of Java Edition. For starters, imagine a completely unified modding scene. Or never having to start over in a survival world because the new version changed world generation again.

[@omegamad]

microsoft is kinda L ngl

[@ale_islost]

My thoughts exactly. Microsoft is a company and from more than a decade ago what users wanted left the reach of their interests, so if they want it, it would be futile to even fight against it; so let them have it, minecraft has probably the more dedicated and talented community the gaming world has seen EVER; those guys can make anything if they put their mind to it, we could have an unified modding scene with millions more mods than 1.5.2, 1.7.x and 1.12 combined, different unofficial updates with a different feel on every one; minecraft has just transcended from a game to an entire concept, even if they kill it, the players will keep it alive for years and years to come, they're are trying to put out a fire with a breeze

[@winstance4493]

@@fartsmella9267 Yes it is lmfao

[@shiny2421]

@@fartsmella9267 Bruh it's like Overwatch 2, or any modern Pokemon game. It's a game made without love for the game, or care for the playerbase. It's soulless.

[@TheVampireFishQueen]

Its very unlikely they will discontinue Java Edition.

[@MagnusOrkzyd]

Whats worse is that if Java is gone, Bedrock will be still left with massive issues because Microsoft themselves have said that they WONT FIX some big ones. Such as that glitch where everything is literally unplayable after a certain coordinate. Or falling through the world randomly. Quality is clearly not on their list.

[@popescugabriela-livia7072]

The higher ups probably think that if Java is gone all of the playerbase will just port to Bedrock without any problems, so why should they fix the bugs?

[@AJ_Animations]

These bug only happen when you go very very far into a world where the game no longer functions properly anymore. I think some of the reasons they chose not to fix these is because a player cannot realistically get there normally without the use of commands and it was probably never intended for anyone to even be there anyway so it wouldn’t really be worth the time and effort to fix it for a small benefit.

[@nonvous6633]

Or a pause button.

[@grumpyginger9783]

@@AJ_Animations It starts happening at 65000 blocks. Thats not "very very far away", that's 2 hours of elytra flying. 10 hours of sprinting.

[@hachikuji_mayoi]

@@grumpyginger9783 barely any distance in nether

[@yarrakobama3417]

As a mod dev, I see this as an absolute win. Community driven, no data for microcringe, finally integrating all the things we wanted into the "base game", and have them be compatible with each other and every newer version of the game for years to come. But as of now, 1.20 rolled out not too long ago and the game still seems to be going for some time.

[@phoenixtalon100]

Glad to see my thoughts are mirrored here. Mojang's era is dead Long live the Modders

[@fldom4610]

I would hate java being discontinued.

[@CV-TNAA]

It's not too far fetched to think that Microsoft would stop supporting Java edition, things would be very different in 10-15 years, so if the online presents of Java would be low enough, Microsoft may pull the plug for Java. But as some people have said in the comments, the modding community could and probably would just start making updates on their own. Maybe a huge team of modders would become the new pseudo-owners of Java edition, making updates & ports of bedrock updates for Java even when Microsoft isn't. Kind of like how people would form self-governed communities in the apocalypse. It's not hard to believe.

[@briannormant3622]

I think Microsoft's lawyers will make it end very fast.

[@amog8202]

Yeah like the twilight forest but 20x larger sounds cool

[@cdjwmusic]

@@briannormant3622 not at all, modding is pretty much unkillable. If Microsoft takes down some modders to kill a modded client they'll lose the entire modding community, and that means having that entire community angry at them and even more focused and motivated to keep their version alive. Making an entire community angry is defeat already I think of it the same way as the Nintendo fandom currently works with Nintendo constantly trying to shut them down to no success.

[@briannormant3622]

@@cdjwmusic I meant that in a scenario where he is right and and Microsoft is really trying to kill java, they would see modders making a "theirs" free game a competitor to the bedrock/ultra monetized version of their game. Sure killing forge/fabric today will make half of the play base quit but in 5-10 years i think that they would, like Nintendo, try to shutdown any fan game/mods/update to keep the playerbase on their controled version.

[@JumboDS64]

@@briannormant3622 Minetest

[@theminerboy5694]

While I agree with this video, there is one small (But common) misconception. On Java Edition, you were never able to be banned from singleplayer because of chat reporting. That was Bedrock Edition exclusive. However, I'm pretty sure you can still be banned from singleplayer on Bedrock edition.

[@meifray]

just wait for it,it would just like whole saveminecraft drama,nothing were change,we have to mod for it.

[@yolo2407]

This is why I play in Java the most.

[@sisilicon14]

You can no longer be banned from singleplayer on Bedrock.

[@meifray]

@@sisilicon14 Show me the proof.

[@noyesser]

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt single player has a wacky history for Bedrock. Back when consoles were getting bedrock edition (or SuperSpicyConsole edition, I just know it was a big jump and around 1.15) you had to have an internet connection (PlayStation Network) to play the game itself, including single-player. I don't know if it was even possible to swap to the old version, the game would probably just boot you out once it told you it needed a subscription.

[@chezzy1908]

the problem with your argument of it being a slow strategy to avoid backlash is that everything you mentioned receives loads of backlash which would mean the strategy is failing and over the past few years I've only seen disdain for these decisions rise and as shown by the bedrock chat reporting system once applying to single-player and now only applies to multiplayer as hate towards microsoft grows they will be forced to budge. And with the Xbox one edition it was canceled immediately after the better together update I used to play on that version and updates almost immediately stopped it only got 1.13 a while later far later than other versions I do definitely think its possible microsoft may be trying to do this but currently I do not see it going in that direction at all.

[@Gamersoul333]

How it works is they get loads of backlash, then it dies down a lot (as it did and has begun to), and then they do something to enrage the community again. A lot of people keep a grudge and keep being angry at microsoft, but most people just forget about it and let it go until something new comes around, and then the cycle repeats again.

[@KatSun3i]

yea true, what if instead the time acts as downtime to allow everyone to forget so that their actions don't stack against each over, kinda like the flattening the curb campaign for covid

[@no-ld3hz]

I was initially skeptical when you said that it would be discontinued. That was until you said 5-15 years. I can see that, java sucks in terms of its codebase. Technical debt is an easy killer, especially when keeping bedrock and java synchronized in content. I just hope they open-source it if they do discontinue it. Having the community keep it alive would be the best.

[@LapisDemon]

Happy a bigger YTer finally talks about Microsoft's business strategies.I've been warning publicly on social media regarding Microsoft since 2014, and since they implemented telemetry also here on YT with videos (I don't monetize, not the reason I mention it). But as small YTer you just can't get the reach to warn enough people, hence I'm really really hoping this video will here blow up, and people taking according measures. Thank you, take care.

[@bauju]

Its really dangerous how people love a big company. Microsoft is way too powerfull and big companys only want money so its not good if they have so much power but everyone ignores it. It goes that far that Microsoft products often are the norm and its weird if you use anything else. Its really frustrating how they just buy blizzard, a very big company, and everyone is fine with it. I feel like im the only one on this planet who sees the danger behin so much power in the hands of business people

[@jironamos7650]

@@bauju Don't worry, I also see the dangers too, however, I'm not sure if we are in time to actually make this actions stop.

[@waylontmccann]

Hey Pipen, great video. Though these are all powerful motivators as to why Microsoft would want to get rid of Java Edition, I don't believe this is the ultimate deciding factor. If you go back to around the time Bedrock Edition became an idea in developers' overworked skulls, there was a huge shitstorm centered around Java developers Sun Microsystems and software security. It became such a huge deal that the US government got involved as Sun Microsystems computers and software are extensively used in government, security, finance, and healthcare. Java is one of the least secure languages in broad use today, and it is the entire reason Microsoft developed the .Net framework. Other reasons listed at the time included limitations in Java performance on modern computers, and Sun Microsystems seeming refusal to do much about these concerns. The concern of Microsoft turning minecraft into an e shop censored unmoddable hellscape is a valid one. We know what they can do to games. I think, however, there are many more moving parts to this than seen from the gamer perspective.

[@frostwyvern]

This is more or less my thoughts on that matter. I don't think the idea of switching away from java edition is in and of itself bad. The problem is more so that the switch is to an alternative that goes against almost everything the people being forced to switch stand for. If they reached actual parity between versions and bare minimum reworked the store so it wasn't a complete shit show, then I really don't think nearly so many people would be mad. It still wouldn't be perfect but nothing ever is.

[@soldierzoom]

I don't think they will discontinue java as the backlash would be insane plus modding on bedrock it is a lot harder compared to java which would then be taking a large part of the game away

[@twinkletwins5484]

i remember talking about minecoins like that. Hell i was innocent

[@ymellow.]

Watch the video

[@ludovi1233]

Agree

[@commandertoastcz6256]

The worst thing about this is that it is true. It makes sense. All gaming - Halo, Call Of Duty, Warhammer games and developers like Paradox are going into "money all the time", or in English, microtransactions. And oh boy did Microsoft do a lot of that. However, there may be backlash and I hope it is enough.

[@mohaliih]

3:47 I love how he says "Every single platform possible" and then continues to show a banner of steam which doesn't have Minecraft.

[@lolboxYT]

I think that Java is better because of the reasons stated in the video (infinite modification...) and also because you can select versions so you can play mods per example: 1.12.2

[@mental847]

Bro one thing can't just make one version better

[@sugoidxth]

@@mental847 That's the thing - it's not *one* thing. Infinite modification - infinite modability rather, means that the game has almost limitless possibilities exceeding it's initial set gameplay actions. I'm not taking a stance on which version is better, I *prefer* Java, but that's a subjective opinion just as this thread's op. Hook-ons, mods, resource modifications, altering the base game- Almost everything can be modified about the base Java game with enough resources, modloaders etc. and mainly just passion and patience. Why? Cause Java. Yes, it's outdated, yes, Mojang hasn't done jack-stand to optimise Notch's spaghetti code but even that is almost entirely fixable with a modpack. And if the community were to take over with full control, then I do think that it would probably warrant big changes in the core problems minecraft has as well. Java won't die out, at least unofficially - because as long as the community passion exists, so will JavaMC.

[@victorhugo-wo2ci]

I bet you could mod Bedrock but theres ALOT of little intricacies from Java cant be replicated on Bedrock like some redstone things as an example

[@mental847]

@@victorhugo-wo2ci k

[@MidnightTheKitten]

@@sugoidxth Somehow, Notch's spaghetti code seems infinitely more quality to me than Bedrock Edition. Bedrock Edition feels like they slapped a strangely-interpolated 60 FPS filter on the game, made everything have a slight delay, and gave the Minecraft interface the aesthetic of Windows 11. The glitches in Java Edition are largely biproducts of actual features, or small glitches that are entertaining or can be exploited... rather than defying the laws of physics and dying randomly. Also, I played 1.7 again recently, and boy... Mojang has actually optimized Notch's spaghetti code quite a bit. The game feels far less... janky now, and multiplayer and skins actually consistently work.

[@niconii3012]

Not hot take: Only reason why minecraft still is so desirable for the players who played for a long time is because of the mods for java. Because of Forge, Fabric and Optifine.

[@star5384]

True

[@xyrkzes]

Agreed.

[@crazycanyon3028]

The only reason people are obsessed with java is forge

[@sutekaa]

fr like they can still make money off of selling java? kids will want to get into it and so theyll buy bedrock/pocket edition, then when they get older they will transition to java edition because big computer cool

[@ashurad_fox5991]

This is actually true, yes bedrock is much more optimized since it's using c programming language. But my experience as a kid, my phone's hardware is not that great. But I started on pocket edition (bedrock) when it was still called that. Coming to java, it is resource heavy yes. But optifine became my friend and now fabric. Which makes my gave run far better than bedrock. (Heck I even checked bedrock since they gave it for free, and I still didn't get 120 fps like I do with just optifine (200+ on fabric mods)

[@OfficiallyLarry]

I think that even if Java Edition got discontinued, the community would build their own version of Minecraft from scratch as a completely different game. Too many people are too attached to this game

[@Shredonus]

I totally agree. I will never play that microsoft shit, no matter what update they gonna release I just hate that cold corporation. Minecraft is a freedom, microsoft doesnt knows what freedom means

[@crazycanyon3028]

@@Shredonus it is just Minecraft coded in a different coding language I don’t understand why people act like the marketplace existing ruins a normal survival world your not even going to be using the marketplace on

[@noanmee]

@@crazycanyon3028 OK... No cool mobs, bad skin editor (pay money for cool skin), weird structure generation, no left hand, stupid shield (shift to toggle), bad-looking chat, etc..

[@sategllib2191]

​@@crazycanyon3028 Because of actual mods and modpacks. Takes the freedom out of it

[@QTwoSix]

​@@Shredonus microsoy

[@Slomsy]

Even if they stop updating, add microtransections, or even delete Java, we will always have the versions we have now and they can never take it away from us. Not to mention the backlash they would get from this. They would probably lose more money within days of this happening from loosing share price than they made with Minecraft thus far.

[@CamAlert2]

@Angel irisen 2 so that's why they're doing it slowly over time. eventually java edition will get a microtransaction store, and whatever nefarious things they choose to adopt to bedrock they can then carry over to java and so on. then once java edition is firmly in line with bedrock they will quietly pull its plug. it's only a matter of time. for some reference, look up microsofts 'embrace, extend, extinguish' business philosophy.

[@sutekaa]

@@CamAlert2 thats why we need to take action now, put it all over the news / mcyt and boycott them

[@misternsta]

As someone who's always been familiar with Java and not Bedrock, playing Bedrock for the first time genuinely felt like I had gone to a website emulator version of Minecraft Java. Controls felt janky, there was a lot of glitches and bugs. But that's not from my computer being laggy because Minecraft Java runs very smoothly on almost full render distance and simulation distance. Minecraft Bedrock does not feel right and it would be an awful decision to go ahead with removing Java. Of course, they might recover from it but Minecraft will not really be the same. Unoptimized, janky, buggy, a literal inferior version of the Minecraft that we played back in the day.

[@ИванИванов-я9ы8н]

Try to play bedrock with java aspects resource pack It reduces many differences (textures, colours, animations) although the entire gameplay on bedrock still will stay very different

[@lSlAH]

@@ИванИванов-я9ы8н other mods that could be used are java hand, java world generation, java grass generation, java 1.7 animations, java animal behavior, java ui (works on all devices)

[@chazz0418]

java full render is what 50% of bedrock? i've found bedrock runs way better for me

[@ИванИванов-я9ы8н]

@@chazz0418 unless you spawn wither underground

[@ИванИванов-я9ы8н]

@blakpilin333 don't tell lie, 0.14.0 was much smoother, faster and almost bug-free

[@elgitarr_]

ugh. this is just fearmongering

[@elgitarr_]

like honestly! this video serves absolutely no purpose

[@cardboardking577]

Yeah, Ive lost all respect for the poster. He's also claiming the miceotransactions make more money than sales of the game, which makes absolutely zero sense given that they are 1: optional 2: a cut is given to the producers (this is also true to physical releases, playstation and steam, but those aren't optional to play like the microtransactions) 3: 99% if the time worth less than the game I'm unsubbing honestly, don't want this shit in my recommendations.

[@nikoraasu6929]

@@cardboardking577 your points are absolutely garbage

[@cardboardking577]

@@nikoraasu6929 what are yours, then, other than meaningless insults?

[@hectic1830]

@@cardboardking577 Embrace, extend, and extinguish

[@RealGAMERSOLDIER]

Don't Spend Money On Games Devlopers Will Be Under Control

[@searuxianstudios9200]

moral of the story: keep a backup of java editon and start working on our own way of playing even after discontinuation. that and as a community we need to stop supporting bedrock players, im sorry to those who play bedrock, but seriously, that platform is going to skill this game we all love.

[@so_much_for_jj]

Nah, I understand perfectly. I plan on switching back to Java when I get the money to buy the launcher on PC (I play bedrock on mobile.) I’m so tired of the goofy microtransactions Bedrock tries to shove down my throat. Bedrock may have better features, but Java is what I grew up playing (I played Java since before first grade, and I am now a high school sophomore lol) and it has a better community, better mods, everything.

[@Dizzy...]

@@so_much_for_jj Bedrock looks so.. corporate. It also feels clunky and unresponsive.

[@so_much_for_jj]

@@Dizzy... I’m talking in terms of raw power and features, Bedrock is superior, but in terms of likability/community, Java sweeps the board.

[@Dizzy...]

@@so_much_for_jj Yea I guess, but java pretty much has more content/features because of the better mods, and the ease of putting them in your game.

[@so_much_for_jj]

@@Dizzy... I’m not disagreeing with you lol. I do prefer Java to bedrock, and agree that the mods make Java have much more content. The base Bedrock is more powerful and has more quality-of-life fixes, but Java has more mods and a better community that make it superior to Bedrock’s.

[@LIEBE-EDITS]

Its sad that Microsoft has to ruin everything :(

[@Puzomor]

Also don't forget that being slow with the process of deleting java edition means there isn't a singular point in the where players can stop updating and play older versions. There's just too much content they'd miss out on. Combat update was the proof of this - too big of a change too quickly, and you'll end up with some people never switching. Making the experience only slightly worse, but offsetting it with novel features means you can change as much as you want, as long as you keep adding meaningless features that are only cool because they're new.

[@thorveim1174]

issue being, there is more content on the older versions in the form of mods, and sometimes a single update can be very damaging if modders with very popular mods dont feel like updating anymore. Some players will just never want to play the game with, say, tinker's construct or twilight forest missing.

[@Arkouchie]

You also have to realize that those older versions can eventually be modded to have at *least* 99% of the features they add.

[@sutekaa]

yeah i wish we got more interesting biomes or biome variations, maybe more unique ones too like the mushroom islands with their unique perks

[@Atomas69]

10:14 I just want to clarify that this is from PIXEL PARADISE, and ONLY pixel paradise. This server is clowned on by the bedrock community and nobody (other than perhaps dumb kids) ever even thinks fo buying anything from it. Although there are a lot of microtransactions existing in the game, they are almost ALL optional (nobody is telling anyone to buy it). The only pay to play server is this server, and showing this as if it were all of bedrock is just a bit misinformative. Edit: Also, the point that "everything in java is free" is giving off the idea that everything in bedrock is paid for. This is not true. Almost all features from java are existent in bedrock for free as well. As mentioned, only "extra" features are paid for. You can use your own custom skins, custom worlds can be imported, mods can all be downloaded; virtually everything can be done in the same way that java can. (The only limiting factor being that java has a larger community and there being more development and variety). The only users who are "forced" to buy skins/worlds/etc are console players, who don't have the same accessibility to downloads as PC or mobile players do, but even then there are a fairly large number of free items in the marketplace which they can use if they do not want to buy from it. Heck you could even argue "but the ranksss and the p2www", but even that is present in Java edition. There is just as much freedom in bedrock as there is in java. Great video, however. Truly enjoyed it and the raising of awareness of the possibility of java being deleted. The truth is that bedrock is more monetizable and the idea that Microsoft is attempting to shift the community to it is very plausible because of this. I don't think it will happen due to the massive backlash that will happen regardless of how slow it happens (and the "racial" division between java and bedrock players)-but business is blind to what people want, so just pray.

[@shadelightss]

I don’t think java will be discontinued, instead java and bedrock will swap places. Most of the team would be working on bedrock(which imo they should be working on that buggy mess), becoming the “main” version of the game & java will be handled by a smaller team, pushed back as a version of the game with a lot of modded content

[@Lodada]

They already take 2 years to add 2 mobs and 2 blocks

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@Lodada do u mean they take 3 months to make them and then a year to make a full fledged amazing update? They specifically said at MC live that those were only features that were finished, and it was literally 3 months after the wild update finished. Stop acting like they don't do much, their updates add a lot to the game and you're just mad your icologer or something didn't make it into the game

[@JosefPiano]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868except they really don't add a lot... most of the new updates have taken more time with less stuff compared to just a few years ago

[@SaishoVibes]

@@JosefPiano bruh, 1.16 was huge, 1.17 was huge too and they could have pumped out the world gen then but it would have been a buggy mess. It was literally an over promise that they have resolved now

[@theenderclops]

that’d be fine by me. there is already so much content and i just play 1.8.9 anyways

[@ki2348]

i'm gonna return in a couple years and say this aged like milk

[@андрей_свиридов]

Ok

[@terdik36]

i'll be waiting

[@InfinityBS]

Remember me when you’re famous 😂

[@flipperbooch2194]

I’ll be here

[@kirby.9601]

He said 5-15 years in the video so you'll need to wait more than just a couple

[@daenite2480]

I can't believe Microsoft will Minecraft Java.

[@octobluefever6481]

Microtransactions in Minecraft were actually a thing before Microsoft bought Mojang. In Xbox 360 edition (and in other legacy console versions) you could buy skin packs and texture packs with real money.

[@so_much_for_jj]

That is definitely correct, but the microtransactions were much less invasive and less pervasive too. Now, every time you open the game it shows you some goofy pop-up for a new map or new minigame or that kind of stuff.

[@meatloafer2762]

Wasn't that with Microsoft Points exclusively on the Xbox though?

[@olszabpo]

I literally hate Microsoft. They mess up everything, destroy things for profit and cant even make anything work well. Windows is terribly optimized, new Minecraft versions are terribly optimized and the Bedrock edition which is their focus in terms of Minecraft is utter shit (yes I have played it, thats why i can say it). I am planning to switch to Linux, and I never will switch to Bedrock edition. Jesus Christ this company is just shit

[@AwkwardAiden]

The points made in this video is exactly what has been brewing in my thoughts as well. Java is, unfortunately, appearing to be on its way out. I think that it is a horrible decision, but knowing that there's always an audience of kids that will eat anything up, it is a great decision for Microsoft. Even if Java is without question the better platform, it will never be quite as profitable as Bedrock, and that's the plain truth. Java's freedom will start to turn from sweet to sour in Microsoft's mouth, and they will go back to what they know is just sweet: Bedrock. Either that, or Java will become one with Bedrock, having its UI changed, adding the Marketplace, enforcing rules on all servers hosted by 3rd parties, etc. In either case, I won't be playing Minecraft anymore. It's not a decision that I would support. As someone who has been playing this game since 2011, it's very sad to see this happen before me. This has been THE game for me, all the time. No matter what game was popular, no matter what everyone else wanted to do, I would usually stick to Minecraft if there was nothing else I was interested in.

[@WibleWobble]

@@the10thdimension matter of fact is that you are wrong

[@WibleWobble]

@@the10thdimension "2000 million"? wow i didnt know 2 billion people played it, and more people play it only because it is on more devices

[@nebzla]

@@the10thdimension That’s total sales across the entire IP, not only bedrock. And many players absolutely despise bedrock for valid reasons. If you were to play Java exclusively for a year, then switch, you’d understand just how janky and rubbish it feels to play. The singular advantage it is built in a much more suitable language allowing for far better optimisation

[@nebzla]

@@the10thdimension It most definitely is, check for yourself. Accept it dude, and stop liking your own comment to make it look like someone's actually supporting you

[@nebzla]

@@the10thdimension Sorry what?

[@Dahomeyian]

Thank you for making this video, I think the “discontinuation” of Java will come by future updates having exclusive things for bedrock. It will be a continued addition of exclusive blocks,items,mobs and more till Java gets nothing. I think all of these things, plus the art style of the game changing plus some of the development changes by mojang all spell a very difficult future for this game. Hoping for the best, we are in a time better than 2015-2019 but who knows how long that will last

[@kritomasP]

* modders have entered the chat *

[@xenird]

@@kritomasP agreed, as soon as java gets discontinued there will be a big and popular mod for java adding bedrock features. Kind of like Optifine, you can't play without that mod

[@competitively3315]

Hoping hytale will somehow come out before this then if they really are going to be that slow. By then it doesn’t matter to me what they do with Java edition because I will have a better game to play that does everything Minecraft does better.

[@joho5647]

Ah and don't forget about indies like (terraria) And Stardew Valley.

[@ICEYBro]

If Microsoft deletes Java Edition There will be an Outrage which will hurt Microsoft and mojang tremendously

[@FluffyAngelUwU]

I'll just say: For phones, there's a Java Launcher that allows you to play 1.19.2 with pretty good 60 fps at the lowest graphics but with optimization mods, and after the Render Dragon thing, is much better as it too allows mods

[@lolo-yb7fp]

hey, which launcher you would recommend for Minecraft Java edition Weak PC

[@FluffyAngelUwU]

@@lolo-yb7fp I don't know dude, I play on phone, but usually launcher doesn't affecta

[@lolo-yb7fp]

@@FluffyAngelUwU ok no problem

[@Skyymon]

@@lolo-yb7fp u can use optimisation mods such as optifine or sodium

[@brack3t_exe]

..Are you gonna share the name with the class somewhere?

[@deinemam7115]

A Java discontinuation would be a good thing (only if all Java versions continue to be available for download). That way, modders could actually properly fix the game. Maybe, in my dreams at least, they would make it open source.

[@JustJamesNotJerry]

Man I really wish Mojang was still independent.

[@Shredonus]

Dream bro, beautiful perfect dream ;-; I want too

[@MrEnder0001]

I mean there is no downside to moving to bedrock. Its engine is way better then java because of the slowness of jvm. Yes bedrock has lots of micro transactions but there is websites to get free maps or skins or you could even make your own so your not required to pay for stuff. Also bedrock is mod able any program is its just java has been around forever so the modding community and apis have been built up. Bedrock can be modded with dll injection and things like Onix Clint are a prime example of basic modding like clients which are comparable to Lunar client.

[@WanganTunedKeiCar]

I can't tell if this list of downsides is supposed to be sarcasm or not.

[@MidnightTheKitten]

@@WanganTunedKeiCar I can't tell, either. I don't see how the forced, weirdly-interpolated 60 fps of Bedrock edition, and worse, the selling of the AETHER MOD OF ALL THINGS?? are possibly better than Java edition. Bedrock is made using C++ I believe, which is a more currently used coding language than Java. And maybe C++ *is* inherently faster than Java... however, what difference does a "smoother experience" that has a weird delay in timing and feels like they smeared polished butter over everything make when Java Edition has fewer game-breaking glitches, and the glitches it DOES have are more side effects of existing features rather than defying the laws of physics and dying for no reason like in Bedrock?

[@acemuffins3840]

>within 5 to 15 years yeah I struggle to care on such a large timescale if Minecraft even exists in 10 years, it's not a revelation that Mojang will continue to find ways to profit off it's existence, Bedrock included edit to clarify: the only way they can "kill" java edition is to stop updating it, which will do fuck all as the community already supports old versions as is, think about all the crazy stuff they're doing right now to beta versions, 1.7.10, 1.12, etc. Even IF, and it's a major *IF*, Mojang somehow "deletes Minecraft" as the video suggests, it will only make things worse for Mojang. Overdramatic as hell.

[@asukalangleysoryu6695]

Minecraft has already existed for 12 years. Why would it not exist for 10 more?

[@acemuffins3840]

@@asukalangleysoryu6695 hence the "if", I can't pretend to know what will happen 10 years down the line, it's entirely possible Microsoft fucks it up somehow

[@nikoraasu6929]

@@asukalangleysoryu6695 with the direction they're taking, for sure the game might not even last 5

[@AndrewBrownK]

I agree with this take

[@AndrewBrownK]

@@asukalangleysoryu6695 it almost died in those 12 years. You live long enough you see EVERYTHING is a seasonal trend on its own time scale. “Why not” sure, but “may not” just as well.

[@Chron0sPersonal]

You forgot one detail for the theory Java Edition is going to go away. after they renamed Minecraft Bedrock addition to Minecraft, they later added on the Minecraft launcher, "Minecraft FOR WINDOWS," Even though Minecraft Java Edition was made for computers, like windows.

[@SimplyMattis]

The difference is that Java is also on Mac and Linux, and PC Bedrock was called "Minecraft for Windows 10" before.

[@Chron0sPersonal]

@@SimplyMattis oh, well i guess i was wrong. thanks!