[MIDI] PASSPORT.MID (both versions) on a Nokia 2610

[@chrisfratz]

You know, I probably should be listening to this with my earbuds, but using my phone speakers for this feels kind of right.

[@KYLXBN]

I didn't think of it that way! That's genius!

[@chrisfratz]

@@KYLXBN yeah, it's an example where the tinny-ness of a modern phone speaker actually enhances it.

[@edifyguy]

@@chrisfratz I think he meant to be more accurate to how it would sound on a phone speaker, rather than with the better fidelity of earbuds or speakers.

[@МаксЛеденёв-ч7д]

Man that’s slapping!

[@jaysonrees738]

I always found it to be really interesting that every piece of MIDI hardware sounds just a little different.

[@dodgyhodgyo4]

"Damn this sounds good" "SEND IT BACK TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN HELL"

[@KYLXBN]

​@@dodgyhodgyo4The duality of MIDI synthesizers

[@crudicle8407]

Nokia MIDIS: nah im the best! Roland sythisizers: SHUT. THE FUCK .UP

[@theimperfectgod7140]

Got that nokia funk

[@KYLXBN]

I'd record this with my Nokia N95 but its charging port doesn't work and I can't charge its battery...

[@trooniggerslayer]

Maybe it's possible to charge the battery externally, that's what I do with mine

[@KYLXBN]

@@trooniggerslayer That could work if I can just ignore the cracked screen. But I don't have an external battery charger :) Gotta buy one first.

[@UserSniper]

based song

[@KYLXBN]

I can't get this song out of my head. It's like amogus.

[@FukiMakai]

The Windows 95 one has an error. You can listen low in the mix an additional piano channel that doubles the drums channel (hence the C, D, F# and A# in the background)

[@TheSoundCrafterCompany]

honestly the Nokia banks sound cute.

[@rg40xs]

Listening this to a speaker, still has a funky tune. Nokia sound banks are intresting.

[@TeslabladePlaysMC]

I would love to see a oscilloscope break-down of this, with all the tracks separated into their own channels! Given the small RAM of the 2610, it might permit the whole length of just one channel, but it'd still probably be a pain to record...

[@KYLXBN]

That is a really good idea but the thing is, MIDI is instrument/track based instead of channel-based, so the simple way of just breaking the file down to individual instrument/track would mean that some channels would have more than 2 simultaneous notes playing (for example, during chords). Of course, we could write a custom MIDI parser that detects overlapping notes and output them to separate files, but we need to put more work to that. OpenMPT already does that, but in that case, it would be OpenMPT playing the music, not a Nokia 2610. We need to analyze each note, make a different MIDI file for each variant, and play that with the Nokia 2610. Not impossible, but would need quite some effort :) Maybe we can do it sometime in the future.

[@TeslabladePlaysMC]

​@@KYLXBN True, but I don't really see that as too necessary. Leave the chords, just separate by instrument! I've seen and enjoy seeing oscilloscope views like that, and that's even what I did on my Steam Controller cover of O Light! It didn't really make sense to record all 12 tracks individually, so I grouped them by parts, then chords, and just recorded 6 tracks, since the Steam Controller can play 2 notes at once. It still made for a nice oscilloscope view. Also, yes, I did manually assign each note to different channels, and I know the pain, big time. O Light was 2663 notes, all manually assigned. I'm now working on a cover with 18,113 notes, of which I've already assigned about 2200 notes, and it's nearly driven me to the point of insanity, aka wanting to learn C++, just to modify the software that I use to be able to make covers like these easier with parsing, as well as being able to autosave and handle editing lots of note events at once.

[@deadreaver666]

BANGER ALERT!

[@mima85]

I played this on so many computers and MIDI devices thru the years, that at certain time I decided to play it by myself :-D

[@playahwon]

I've found my ringtone for seventeen years ago. ...When I was one year old.

[@KYLXBN]

I wish I knew about this MIDI when I was in elementary school with my Nokia 3510 but even if I did, it probably can't play a MIDI file this large (~40kB) because of its tiny RAM 😅

[@binface9]

Nice! I miss my 2610

[@KYLXBN]

Yeah, me too. The actual 2610 I owned when I was in high school looks like it fell from the top of a mountain and had adhesive tape for badges. The 2610 I recorded this from is a second-hand (refurbished?) one that I bought some years ago from an online store, just for nostalgia.

[@Iuna09]

The whisle synth thing sounds like a washer beep

[@robert.dexter]

Tell me how to split midi file

[@muffies]

How the hell does the speaker sound so good

[@KYLXBN]

This was recorded from the earphone output jack of the Nokia 2610, fed through wires directly to a Behringer UCA222 audio interface, so you get the actual output of the Nokia 2610 without any tinny speakers and environment noise :)

[@muffies]

@@KYLXBN Oh! That makes sense. Still, the dac is surprisingly clear

[@KYLXBN]

@@muffies I haven't measured the bit depth of the Nokia 2610 DAC (probably 12-bits or so) but the sampling rate is 16,000 Hz :) Also, of course it's mono. So it's acceptably good, I guess, specially if you just want to play ringtones :)

[@muffies]

@@KYLXBN Honestly should've just plugged it straight into the mic port if there was one, or something like that, as headphones can vary + outside noise

[@muffies]

Still beautiful :)))

[@apreviousseagle836]

That's pretty good for a phone. Must be using a SoundFont Pack from the factory.

[@KYLXBN]

What do you mean with "soundfont pack from the factory"? Most Nokia phones (Series 40) sound like this :) Also, the soundfont can't be changed. It also doesn't adhere to the SF2 standard.

[@apreviousseagle836]

@@KYLXBN I used "SoundFont" as an easy way to mean "a synthesis method based on a wavetable of sampled sounds"

[@KYLXBN]

@@apreviousseagle836 Honestly the "from factory" was the one that kinda confused me but okay :D

[@apreviousseagle836]

@@KYLXBN Ok, let me rephrase: "That's pretty good for a phone. When they coded the software for the MIDI playback engine, they must have decided to not rely on the typical "chiptune" FM synthesis chips typically used on non professional music equipment. Instead, they went to the trouble of acquiring a collection of samples that conform to the General MIDI standard (and since a lot of SoundFont™ libraries are available for free, with no requirements to pay the creator a fee or a royalty, then it's very likely they simply converted the samples out of one of those SoundFont™ packages into a standard WAV or AIFF file, and added them to their proprietary "Nokia MIDI engine", so that MIDI files played back on the phone, are using their proprietary sample wavetable as a reference to play back the MIDI file instruments, and hence, sound better than expected for a product in this class and price range"

[@KYLXBN]

@@apreviousseagle836 Apologies for having you go through the trouble of explaining all that, but I understand now :D Also, this is not always a valid excuse, but I'm not a native English speaker, so there's that too. The MIDI engine that most (all?) Nokia phones use is called the "MiniBAE" (Beatnik Audio Engine) and there are like three soundbanks ("soundfont" but not exactly SF2) available. This phone uses the "idefix" sound bank if I recall correctly.

[@HuntergamerbenOfficial]

i enjoy this version more than the computer edition especally the beginning and also i like the windows 98 version

[@interlaced_maniac]

how is it even possible?!?!?! IM DYING TO KNOW! can i try this on my 2626 (its identical to the 2610)

[@monkiplasmi]

Nice

[@FukiMakai]

Sounds pretty SNES-ish. Like, an early 90s SNES game

[@bellisperennissturdivant]

good track

[@p_r_a_w_n]

passport.mid being played out of a Nokia phone made me think if the Nokia 225 my mother uses can play it. Yes I did test it and sadly No it did not work as it couldn't recognize .mid or .midi files.

[@KYLXBN]

Yeah, I recall some new Nokia phones having ringtones with the SMXF (or something like that) extension... Maybe those phones do not recognize MIDI.

[@abunk8691]

Looks like my first comment got eaten by KZbin (again for the nth time). I'm too lazy to redo the whole thing again, but I like this even with the limited quality (mono & lower sample rate) and I will go check out the canyon.mid later.

[@KYLXBN]

Yeah, sorry for that. I allow links on comments but somehow KZbin still deletes comments when they have links.

[@abunk8691]

@@KYLXBN Its ok I don't think its your fault. Though it makes me wonder because the comment that had been deleted didn't have any links. The same is true for every comment I made on other channels that got deleted by KZbin. Typically happens within 30s of the comment being posted. Most of them were Linux related and had names of programs. But when the spellings are intentionally messed up but using numbers and symbols (i.e. hello to h3l|o) KZbin doesn't recognize and delete them. Probably just KZbin being weird (or worse?) over time.

[@hhaaasshh]

FM or ROMpler?

[@KYLXBN]

It's a sample synth :)

[@DomiDave]

Why are there 2 versions of this song? thy sound identical

[@KYLXBN]

The Windows 95 versions has a piano imitating the drums and some other minor extra instruments. The Windows 98 version removed these. I personally prefer the Windows 98 version.

[@Nameorsmth]

HLVRAI REFERENCE!?!!?!?!

[@KYLXBN]

Half Life VR AI? Probably not, I haven't played Half Life yet :)

[@StereoTyp0]

I don't think he has his passport

[@HotelHussleTex]

Slaps harder than my drunk step dad

[@COMMANDER0_F39AD]

midi nokia = fm XDDD

[@KYLXBN]

Some modern Nokias sound like FM synth but this specific phone (and most S40 phones if not all) are actually sample based :D

[@COMMANDER0_F39AD]

@@KYLXBN thansk