Britain's BRAND NEW High Speed Train - The Avanti West Coast Class 805 "Evero"!

[@joemercedeschannel196]

They along with Lumo improved the quality and decreased the hate on the modern IET's which had very poor seating. Great video mate.

[@MattJames2211]

I still find the refurbished avanti seats not very comfortable

[@joemercedeschannel196]

@@MattJames2211 But they're better than the GWR and LNER (Azuma) seats. And the GWR and LNER (Azuma) units have poor ride quality at top speed. I haven't tried out the Avanti IET's yet but I will do sometime and see if they have poor ride quality or not.

[@simonsv9449]

And EMR promised great seating on their 810 ”Aurora”. We’ll see if they kept their promise.

[@cameronallan5624]

Agreed they are better. But we shouldn’t be aiming for minimal viable seating comfort. We should be encouraging people onto trains with comfy seats. Europe doesn’t seem to have this problem. Why does the UK always go for such hard seats on its new trains. The only exception to this is Lumos trains which despite having the same seat shape have much more padding and are much more comfortable. Why can’t everyone just copy Lumo?

[@CityWhisperer]

Seating is always selected by the operators and not the manufacturers, so congrats to them and shame on the rest.

[@wolvolad25]

I dont understand how anyone looked at that interior and thought mmmmm yes this is a premium experience

[@Morning404]

Corporate greed.

[@thegrowl2210]

The GWR first class in the Mk3s looked pretty good. Now we have… this.

[@sparkyUK]

I was just thinking this. Very boring. LNER's first class looks much nicer.

[@alexpeak16]

@@sparkyUK Only on their 225s. The Azumas are hopeless in both classes.

[@henrybn14ar]

​@@Morning404 Incompetence. These trains cost a fortune. The entire concept is flawed.

[@StephenSmith-ge1qf]

I've booked an Avanti trip from Euston to Liverpool in July. It's class,( because I like 1st. class train travel). I was shocked by the fare - £118. I live in Italy, where for far less I can get a premium class return from Milan to Rome and home again, on a Freccia at 300km. per hour .

[@racelox]

I've booked an Avanti in June from Manchester to Euston and it's cost £45. Try split tickets?

[@slavvy.mp4884]

Pffft, just wait till you pay for a Liverpool to Euston return ticket. even with a railcard and off peak ticket, it cost me 144 gbp 2nd class. I despise the railway operators in this nation.

[@racelox]

@@slavvy.mp4884 Lime Street to Euston, leaving tomorrow morning (Saturday) and returning later in the day. £38...

[@azza5332]

Right? £84 quid for a 2 hour journey in not even the most luxourious first class is a rip off! The only other country where first class is overpriced is Switzerland, but everything is expensive there!

[@RECHARGED77]

thats england for ya

[@kitspackman3994]

If they get dispensation to run the 805s at 125 on the Trent Valley passengers will discover exactly why I spent the 1970s getting tilt systems to work, as their coffee slides sideways off the tables! It's about 'passenger comfort' and no amount of extra acceleration out of the curves will cancel out the lateral acceleration during the curves.

[@MePeterNicholls]

No tilting is very big downgrade

[@NickyMitchell85]

The echoed announcements on that train remind me of vintage airport announcements.

[@marleyrios1573]

I dislike Azuma seats why they are completely uncomfortable

[@typhoon-7]

For those of us old enough to remember, I'm getting class 91 flashbacks here... Top speed of a new fleet that can't be used due to infrastructure limitations and probably never will be if history repeats itself. Nobody wants to build tilting trains at a sensible price any more to take advantage of TASS on WCML so here we are. Compromised again.

[@audigex]

Never mind the Class 91... the Pendolinos these will be running alongside also can't run at full speed. They're limited to 125mph despite being capable of 140mph These will mostly be operating south of Crewe anyway so they don't actually lose *that* much time vs a Pendolino. Most of the really twisty stuff is further north

[@josephharrison8354]

The problem isn't really signalling: that'll help with cramming more capacity onto existing lines, because more precise signalling means trains can run closer together. It is fundamentally the issue of the WCML being a multi-speed, multimodal line, and the capacity constraints that causes. Bumping intercity services up to 140mph will just exacerbate that issue.

[@rajveerhonrao]

Even worse when HS2 trains can't go at 125mph on the line up to Scotland due to their lack of tilt whereas the older Pendolinos can.

[@alcatel4539]

The reason these trains can't exceed 125mph is signalling related. The regulators don't think it is safe to depend on lights on sticks.

[@TheRip72]

@@alcatel4539 That is a good reason for not upgrading the signalling. As mentioned elsewhere, the WCML copes with a mix of freight, local, semi-fast & long distance passenger services. The slow lines (where they exist) cannot cope with everything except the long-distance, so while it would be possible to upgrade the signalling & trains to run faster, they would not do it for very long before catching up a slower train & having to run at a reduced speed as a result. Upgrades would therefore give very limited benefits. The trains in the video were ordered before the Crewe section of HS2 was cancelled. They would have integrated much better with other services had that opened as previously planned.

[@_ajf]

FYI for the wireless chargers, in the clip you showed at least, you just missed the pad. The coil in the phone is in the middle not the bottom. Thanks for the coverage of the new trains!

[@damiendye6623]

Should matter it's meant to be wireless, as such its a point less wasteful tech

[@_ajf]

​@@damiendye6623 I mean I agree it's inefficient and slow, but I'm not sure it's pointless

[@grahamandrew907]

Nothing beats mark 1 coaching stock, pulled by a class 52, happy days!!!!

[@pitbing]

If you really want bog standard accommodation, WCR are still operating MK1 coaching stock.

[@thisis_mudchute]

this 80x certainly beats mk1 and class 52

[@pauldavis9567]

I hear ya. For me Mark 1 stock pulled by ANY 1st generation Diesel Loco

[@AymanTravelTransport]

That was quick! Incidentally, I've noticed XC have already started operating some of the ex-Avanti Voyagers, as one of them was working Edinburgh-Plymouth according to RTT.

[@Anonymoususer_8823]

I like what Avanti West Coast have named their new trains “Evero”. Be looking forward to seeing the Class 807 electric IET coming into service in the next few months.

[@brian402]

Thanks for the upfront honest good review here!, always awesome watching your videos., last time i was in the UK & that was like..... i travelled around on British Rail Intercity125

[@adambailey93]

I still believe that the Pedelinos are the GOATS on the UK railways. Would be sad to see them go 😢

[@Kletterhaus]

They look nice, can't wait to ride them this summer.

[@danshaw3527]

You’re gonna do whaaaat

[@ce1834]

Quite a step up from the Voyagers, even without tilt imo. Great sets! Going to be interesting to see if they'll be allowed to run at 125mph at some point in these sections

[@London-f7l]

Nice Job you reached 20k subscribers, I thought you were someone else, then I recognized your nice thumbnail design style, really like it. Good Job your videos

[@NorthernFail852]

So I recently went on the 805 to London and boy was it a nightmare, the train I was meant to get had been cancelled at Crewe after coming fresh out of the depot, and by the time I made it to Chester from Runcorn East, I had no time to make a connecting service down to Crewe, luckily though a 58 minute late 805 was nearly at Chester and would give me about 15 minutes connection time, or so I thought, the train ended up getting to the station 67 minutes late and had to join another 805 whilst sat at the platform, this made the train so late I missed the connection at Crewe and had to end up getting a pendolino down to the capital, to say the least u was not happy On the otherhand after a lovely day in London I timed it just right to get an 805 back to Chester, this only being 10 minutes late on Arriva at Chester due to speed restrictions on the 805’s I give the whole experience an 8/10, would’ve been 10/10 if they were able to reach full line speed, and the morning run I’d give a 2/10 due to how late the trains were

[@CarlSmith-bs4qx]

Why order 5 coaches, a single 9\10 coach version would make more sense with reference to capacity planning

[@Jstransporthub]

Ik assuming that these Evero/ class 805s run as five cars because they will take over the voyager route to Maidenhead. 807s will be 7-9-11 cars I do not remember..

[@mikefish8226]

The trains they replace are usually 5s or 2x5s.

[@damianc.0.681]

@@Jstransporthubto Maidenhead??? What r u on?

[@thomasjones5566]

To begin with they will run in 5 or 10 car formations, 6 805s will be in service first while 6 221s temporarily remain in use. 14 805 services will run per day and 18 221 services will run per day

[@hydrogenvshelium6851]

*Holyhead via North Wales Coast Line and Wrexham General, all via Chester

[@123penfold]

The announcements make the guard and buffet staff sound like they are down at London Euston . Hope they sort that out .

[@petitkruger2175]

The Class 805s give me hope for the IET's! Definitely the best class 800 with Lumo and much better than the Voyagers. If only LNER's and GWR's IET's can be upgraded to the 805 standards.

[@michaelbirch8666]

Not really bothered what equipment Avanti uses; I just need a TOC that operates a regular, reliable service with next-to-no cancellations. Come back Virgin; all is forgiven.

[@maly2ts408]

Yes I agree virgin did ok , bring him back

[@thisis_mudchute]

my local starion is operated by c2c and i'e never seen a delay more than 3 minutes, and a few cancellations per month. i wouldn't day c2c goes anywhere useful for most people though...

[@CRH1A-1145]

The lighting on Class 80x's is impressive. I can't wait to try the 805!!!

[@RECHARGED77]

uhh

[@aaronjones8884]

Name a better duo than network rail and not getting stuff done when they say they will

[@petermc7098]

Hi There, a great and insightful Video on some of the new Avanti West Coast fleet and it definitely looks like a welcome replacement to the voyagers, feels a lot more fresh etc. Thank you for sharing your thoughts it's greatly appreciated. Cheers Peter :)

[@MylesHSG]

Ok, let me get this straight. Pendos and Super Voyagers tilt to allow 125mph running on the WCML, however these new trains cant tilt and therefore will be limited to 110mph on a lot of sections...unless the WCML has had some sort of massive stealth upgrade in the last few years that I have missed.

[@rthoc71]

It was cheaper for Avanti order non tilt trains, plus any Tilt order trains would taken far longer to build as no production line platform anymore for tilting pendolinos have redesign new fleet. Where as Hitachi fleet are tried n tested later generations of IEP only downside can't run at 125mph everywhere no tilt. Hitachi fleet production line still rolling so far easier to add new trains to the current build than start from scratch something totally new

[@MylesHSG]

@@rthoc71 Don't get me wrong the Voyagers needed to be replaced, and god it was terrible when they ran to Glasgow completely under the wires. Just worry about the impact on not just journey times, but pathing, no doubt these will spend the vast majority of their time on the fast lines, potentially holding up Pendos if they start to fall behind the WTT.

[@rthoc71]

@@MylesHSG having ridden few times on tilt voyagers they weren't best thing switching between tilt mode to non tilt little uncomfortable at times, tilt system on pendolinos more smoother transitions. Acceleration is quick on 807 bit similar to issues we had on ECML when Mk4 91 full fleet ran main service Edinburgh to London at time hired 2 class 90's run with mk4 used on Leeds runs with 110mph it worked but only because 90 was superior in acceleration than 91 at the time. So getting back to WCML if 110mph Avanti Evro good accelerating only way work is restrict where they operate ie not North of Lancaster, where track speeds greater on straights be not lot diffence when hits tilting sections where anything slower will impact 390 schedules

[@StArGazEr11713]

I think that Avanti is the best operator out of GWR and LNER, so hat's off to them. The pendolino's are great as well as the class 800's - but pendolino's dominate at performance and quality out of all the express trains running in Britain now.

[@jasperli]

They’re finally in service!

[@davidevans7708]

This is a route I have travelled a few times. The ride on the 221s was quite rough and, of course, there was the intrusive noise/vibration of the diesel engine. The food was pretty poor on your journey - I seem to recall receiving a hot meal on the up journey and probably a hot meal on the down journey, also, the first class lounge is pretty decent at Euston. You did not say what the £84 fare covered. Even if it was a single, £84 is quite reasonable. Car fuel alone from Chester to London would be £60 to £80 for a return trip and that is before taking into account parking and congestion charges. Also, my senior railcard gives me 30% off every train train fare. City centre to city centre - what's not to like? Great video.

[@downonthestour]

Great Video as per OM!

[@shihanthetrainspotter]

These Brad new Avanti trains are amazing I can’t wait to ride one I hope to also do a trip report on it

[@Anonymoususer_8823]

The Class 807 Evero has just started service late last month and are going as far as Birmingham New Street at the moment. The Class 805 are quite nice trains and I really do like them.

[@Ztbmrc1]

Nice train. Hope I will be able to travel on it one day on my next train trip to the UK. That echoing on the pa system was quite funny. It seems at the end they got rid of it, but that were automatic announcements no live spoken pa's.

[@SWTROfficial]

Another thing you’ve probs discovered is for the manual announcements you hear the same chime as the class 390

[@stephenharper9961]

The first booked service ended up being the 10.36 from crewe to holyhead with 805001/805004 but was meant to be that chester to euston but it was restarted at crewe

[@kieranstravels]

They look decent! Great video OM.

[@chriswilkes4350]

The seats still look pretty hard. Are they any better than the ironing boards of the earlier trains? And the foo was poor. ON LNER we got very good hot food last year. What are your thoughts?

[@thisis_mudchute]

i dont know if you are ok, but they are really good

[@manomaylr]

For a second I'm like "wait, is this Midland London?"

[@thomasfy4]

Same, I thought he quit!

[@rantingyoof6960]

So these HSTs are currently limited to the Class 350's top speed? That's a shame.

[@realkasumi5443]

A new MU speed profile is being introduced to allow non-tilt stock to reach 115/120 with some sections of 125. However, this speed profile hasn't been comissioned yet, so trains are currently running to PS speeds (max 110), with the exception of the Stour Line which has MU limits already.

[@IScreamer]

Nice new trains for sure. 1st class passengers having to pick up their meal from the café is not so nice. Like you, I just love the Avanti livery - very slick indeed!

[@gordonprentice7090]

10:24 I really hate it when people put their feet on the seat especially on a brand new train. Glad are the same seats as the refurbed pendolinos as they are much better than the ones in the other IET's

[@FromtheWindowSeat]

Good review. Keen to try this train next time I visit the UK.

[@itsthatsebguy93]

If it was up to me this line would still be using locos and mark 2 coaches.

[@GreatEasternMainlineSpots]

Your extremely delusional

[@whatdoyoumeanbro4964]

it's 2024 not 1998

[@davidjackson2580]

Definitely agree. Preferably the early mark 2s with proper wooden panelling. I never liked the mark 2f and mark 3 coaches and things have gone downhill since then.

[@davidjackson2580]

@realbritishjeffy Class 86 (or 85 or 81) without push-pull for me. I know the 86s are getting old, but surely it's possible to build something new that looks like the old locos and new coaching stock that looks like MK1 or early MK2, both externally and internally.

[@henrybn14ar]

​@@whatdoyoumeanbro4964 What has the year got to do with it? These trains are a flawed concept from every point of view, as well as being incredibly expensive. If corporate greed applied, we would indeed still have locomotive hauled mark 2 and 3 stock refurbished to a decent standard; electric push Euston to Crewe, diesel pull to Holyhead. Decisions are being make by people who don't know how to run railways or design trains. Same problem where I live in Sweden. The other evening I had to abandon my journey between Copenhagen and Gothenburg halfway as the delay would have meant arriving about 2 am, three hours late.

[@SWTROfficial]

9:59 285 miles from Glasgow although avanti don’t run to Glasgow with stopping Lichfield T.V trains anymore

[@BensPlanesTrainsProductions]

Sounds like the trains have gone backwards compared to the 221 Voyagers, limited to 110mph, wasn't the 221's already fitted the titling equipemnt prior to entering service on the first day?

[@andrewreynolds4949]

There is work underway to raise the speeds for these trains. It should have been completed by now but it’s been delayed

[@johnhaynes710]

I think this is where British railways always let themselves down. It is well known that due to the design of the West Coast a tilting train is an asset and yet we bring in these new Hitachi trains which don’t have this feature. To allow those trains to run at the same same speed as a Pendolino more track work is necessary to straighten the curves et cetera. Further cost. Surely this should’ve been thought about when they ordered these Hitachi trains. We seem to have been Bamboozled into getting Hitachi and nothing else when there are other trains out there that would’ve done the job just as well. Even updated Pendolinos, with a tilting mechanism would’ve been great.

[@470danadidas]

Good video but you're right... there's no way I'd pay £84 for a 2hr journey. How much was standard class? The trains seem to be a vast improvement over the already established 801 series on the GWR network. Seemed quieter too. Your new name is better too.

[@garethroberts2779]

But you would pay less for a 3hr journey going the same distance? Most want passengers are willing to pay more to reduce the time spent on the train, those who want to pay too spend as long as possible on a train visit heritage railways.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​@@garethroberts2779 dude look at how empty the train was lowering the price would make more money.

[@garethroberts2779]

@@Alex-cw3rz You've never heard of advance tickets? They are based on the demand for each service. Distance is the the other and if it's covered in a quicker time you pay more. Only trainspotters see being onboard longer as better value. Ordinary passengers want to be on and off ASAP.

[@acfbrown1]

Looks interesting I travelled on a 9 coach Avanti 390 earlier today between Haymarket and Preston.

[@LeonCornelll]

New train look great

[@Keikdv]

Someone did a video on rinding 805 009 on 2nd of June in first class Euston to Crewe and had no issue with the sound from the speakers...

[@ejc7129]

Excellent appraisal of yet another Hitachi AT300 variant 🙂👍🏽 The GWR ones on my region are truly awful and after nearly 7 years in service for the GWR 800/0’s, most of the interiors are now looking worn with badly rattling plastic panelling, stained carpets and some seat bases (even in 1st class) sunk so far, you can feel the metal bar underneath 🫣 The one good thing about these 805’s is that they were not DFT specified like GWR/LNER, so there is better seating, better lighting and they seem to be fitted out better inside 🤔 Lets see what they are like after a few years in service and lets hope they are not in a sorry state, like most of the GWR AT300’s 🫣

[@arnoldsaunders6073]

To go from the HSTs to the 800s was a massive step backwards. Swansea to Paddington is an assault on your backside.

[@trianandacaesaryandasril786]

0:06 i like your vlog. You should try riding Whoosh in indonesia, the first high speed train in southeast asia with a speed of 350/KMH. There are still many more trains in indonesia that you can make your youtube video. greetings from indonesia, Keep spirit and keep healty😊

[@redgoon698]

I still think the HSTs or 91s are superior. Good vid though. 😁

[@KirkChester]

Will they provide hot food/seat catering in First Class in the future, like they do on the Voyagers and Pendolino's?

[@thomasfy4]

Yeah I loved the onboard shop on the WCML - after about 10 mins, I needed a wine

[@Dan-cd6hm]

Lovely overview. Wish the bike storage on the Hitachi's wasn't so terrible!

[@richarddastardly6845]

I like the train and the Avanti livery

[@leonidmironov2546]

Great Video! thank you! did they mention anything on the timeline for Pendolino updates after teh current refresh? in the 2030s?

[@coastermad13]

I remember being on a class 125 and one power car failed and we ran at like 35 mph getting later and later and later. Another time, idiots stole the overhead and signal cable between Newcastle and Edinburgh. Whilst a lone train sat in the station, packed, waiting thankfully i was with a train manager so i got live updates of where the driver and crew were for that lone train and caught a bus instead and got into Edinburgh before it even left Newcastle. Fun times

[@GraySkull289]

Virgin shouldn't have lost the contract. And Avanti should have their contract pulled.

[@tonys1636]

Although modern EMU's are designed to be more aerodynamic but at the expense of through connectivity for passengers when two or three units connected. Being close to the barrier at destination means boarding the right unit, not always possible with a reserved seat.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

There is a new ‘MU’ line speed profile that is yet to be commissioned, under which the new trains will be permitted to run at speeds between 110 and 125 mph for much of the route

[@ace-paidinfull5240]

This was a good watch

[@patrickwhite3127]

Has Crewe moved nearer to Liverpool?

[@cameronallan5624]

Why can we never have decent SOFT seats on UK trains. Is it really that hard to achieve?

[@azza5332]

Why we can never have amazing high speed rail in the UK is a mystery. Why do we get it so wrong?

[@thisis_mudchute]

i dont know if the dft is able to do that, but here is an example that we can sometimes get decent soft seats

[@kermito3659]

They used to use class 390's through to Holyhead dragged from crewe by a class 57

[@Fitlad75]

never understand in this country why they don't just reduce the prices to fill the seats, it's a win for everyone

[@TheRip72]

I live along the line & can't understand how YT content creators always manage to find quiet trains. I always find it hard to find a seat.

[@josephinebennington7247]

To get a reduction in ticket prices, what part(s) of the whole system would you reduce? Wages (whose?), safety (yours?), frequency (more or fewer trains?). Come on, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

[@TheRip72]

@@josephinebennington7247 It depends which ticket prices. The structure is very weird. On longer journeys, advance tickets can be pretty cheap. Standard fares are often huge & ridiculous. A few years back, I did a 1 hour journey on a Virgin service & the cheapest option was a first class ticket. Standard class was not sold out, it was simply more expensive. How crazy was that?

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Exactly!

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​​​​​@@josephinebennington7247 there were about 270 empty seats on this train, if they cut that 1st class ticket from £84 to 48 and all that you'd need is 3 people (which let's be honest at that price it would more likely be at least half full) to make more money than they are now. This is such a basic concept which seems lost on the modern world. They could have charged £10 a seat which would garentueed be a full train and made more money than they did on this journey with these ridiculous prices.

[@ispi_video_photo]

Being Avanti, how long before it's branded "Nevero"?

[@danielmkandrews]

Hi, what music did you use at 5:20? Thanks

[@threesixnine369six]

I know flush surface doors are more expensive and technically complex but they just look better on a fast train. Much sleeker.

[@tiago58]

Quite a good looking train! Strictly speaking, this would be a MST (medium speed train), capable of attaining max operational speed of 250 km/h . HSTs (high speed trains) are capable of attaining max operational speeds of 350 km/h (China's Fuxing, France's TGV, etc.) .

[@juliemarriott7395]

Do you know if, on the wheelchair accessible carriages, is the ramp integral to the train, or do you still need the old style ramps to board?

[@thisis_mudchute]

need the old style ramp to board

[@thomas8692]

I belive there is NO plan for these to do 125MPH. No amount of upgrading the track would allow such speeds. The west coast already has canted corners to help with speeds. These units have higher acceleration which is enough to make up for the speed difference

[@andrewreynolds4949]

There will be limited amounts of 125mph authorized in the near future as part of the new line speed profile, but there will be considerable amounts of 115 and 120 mph.

[@buffalo6524]

Anyone know what's happening with all those renatus 321s at 16:24 ?

[@jammiedodger7040]

They should of made a new version of the Pendolino which tilting system works perfectly. They should finally get around to making WCML 140mph like originally planned which the Pendolinos are capable of.

[@Dinoteddi]

I wonder what the time difference between these and voyagers are, as the 805s have far better acceleration than the voyagers iirc, which should make up for the 110MPH speeds on the WCML instead of the 125 seen on Voyagers

[@91Durktheturk]

For Liverpool diagrams they will take 10 mins longer. But perhaps on some avanti routes with many intermediate stops, their acceleration might mean diagram times stay the same. Not sure though.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

I believe it will be 5 minutes slower than the 390 once the new line speed profile is commissioned, something like 8-10 minutes slower currently

[@liamkirk1629]

Can’t wait for class 810’s on the MML

[@LennixAlexander]

A step in the right direction! This should have been the box standard interior for all of the IETs from day one.

[@bikerguychris33]

Great video pal 😁, Judging by what I've seen in your video, I'd say in one way they're a step forwards from the voyager and in another way they're a Step backwards, The lack of tilt and reduced power sockets are a Step Backwards, but everything else is a step forward. You'd think Hitachi of all companies would have built all their trains to tilt wouldn't you? Especially since the Japanese are well known for their cutting edge and reliable technology.

[@jessicamorgan3073]

Good video, but why wasn't the echo identified/corrected earlier?

[@journeysofjames1116]

It just makes me question why they couldn’t put these type of seats in the previous 80x trains from the very beginning. Great video

[@whistlehead9876]

Hopefully there'll be a mid-life refurb due at some point...!

[@audigex]

There was a period of a few years where a weird quirk of overlapping UK and EU regulations made it VERY difficult to design fire-regulation-compliant comfortable seats for the UK

[@MrJimheeren]

@@audigexoh really. Interesting. But to be honest I like a little stiff seat, nicer for my back. So all these people who are complaining about it, know that lots of people actually like it

[@henrybn14ar]

Sims Metals of Newport would make a good job of them.

[@henrybn14ar]

​@@MrJimheeren Firm seats are fine if the profile is correct but they almost never are, even though the information has been available since the 1950s. They also mean that the ride quality must be good, but it is not.

[@brickleyyard4966]

I also think if the lner and gwr iet could refit there iets at the first re fit then the iets could be seen as a some what decent trains

[@henrybn14ar]

Refurbishment will not cure the bad ride quality, which is almost certainly smashing up the track at the same time. 26 metre vehicles with 17 metre bogie centres and 80 cm wheels is asking for trouble, as is the 1 metre gap between vehicles. A visit to Sims of Newport would be needed to fix these trains.

[@tenny_tenten]

​@@henrybn14arlol scrappers torch and you have no services - "You'll be going nowhere" - Paul Tyreman

[@jacobporrett]

They look good. Will have to try one at some point.

[@91Durktheturk]

Its so 'high speed' that a diagram from Euston to Liverpool takes 2h20 mins instead of 2h10 mins on the 395s

[@jay-xo9dx]

That’s also because the service will stop at more stations. I’m sure you mean 390s

[@91Durktheturk]

@@jay-xo9dx Well spotted, 390s indeed. I don't believe it's because of that, but simply because they are limited to 110mph, which on such a distance does make a difference.

[@jay-xo9dx]

@@91Durktheturkthe same timings can be achieved at 110. Look at the stopping pattern planned for these extra service to Liverpool and you’ll see they’re booked to stop at more stations

[@imsbvs]

I usually use these Hitachi trains at 140mph along HS1. Just shows what couls be acheived if there was the political will.

[@sirenity8839]

i love british trains ❤

[@weifengjiang7579]

Good interior layout in standard class - really like the well aligned 5 bays in the middle. Think Hitachi is being unfairly singled out for the bad IET interiors - it's down to customer specification (blame the DfT). Avanti seems to have done a good job with choosing seats and seating layouts.

[@isamuldn]

Agree, have travelled on Hitachis many times in Japan and they’re great. Difference is Japanese railways companies that care about comfort not just dividends

[@malins12345]

Sorry couldn't see it in the comments, what was the name of the speedometer app you used? It seemed clever that it told you the line you were on!

[@sidney001]

Have they toned down the lighting?

[@DFandV]

Yup. But I do prefer the 390s the current stock, in terms of comfortability. I didn't find the Evero very comfortable.

[@thisis_mudchute]

only on these trains and possibly emr 810m but not on the gwr and lner 80x trains, and i dont know if it was even an issue with TOE and hull trains in the first place

[@kevthetrainenthusiast]

I have been in the driver's cab of class 805 at London Euston

[@s125ish]

The seats in first class seem low down compared to the pendolinos and standard section.

[@pbsteamatspeed7683]

First class seems woeful compared to German ICE trains. Better window alignment than Voyagers is a plus however.

[@gaz.oakley]

You mean they didn't cancel your train or make you change at Crewe? 😮 (watches video - they did!)

[@eyybabyj1397]

I'm going to London From Chester end of August hope it's this new train

[@Spacebug111]

Next time i go to london ill try to get one of these new trains

[@manomaylr]

They do need to consider reforming the GWR / LNER sets with the nicer seating.

[@lil_swarlette]

I was supposed to take this train home from Chester to London... of course it was cancelled! (not because of the track fault, this was later in the day) No new train experience for me. This happens so often with Avanti it's almost a disappointment when I don't get any delay repay lol

[@PeacocksAndMusicCool]

Do you know if they will be on the Manchester to London line?

[@athanasiostrushi9004]

How these trains will replace the super voyagers when the hitachi are not able to run north of Preston? 😮😮

[@andrewreynolds4949]

There is a reshuffle taking place with the 390 fleet. They have published which trains will be running which diagrams somewhere online

[@ianwalker2250]

This white elephant started service betwen Holyhead and London Euston on 2nd June. I travelled on one on 3rd June - its buffet was broken and couldn't serve hot drinks......the seat I sat in was uncomfortable for anything bar a short journey. frankly I am glad I won't be using them often. they're crap.

[@solsburian]

With better seats the Class 800/801/802s could be perfectly decent trains. Sadly the convoluted contract arrangements for the 800/801s likely mean we are stuck with seats until the contract ends, which I bet results in them going straight to the scrapyard as I doubt GBR would be able to get a good deal on a buyout/leasing deal with Agility Trains.

[@DarkFire515]

Haven't GWR been introducing these for a few years now?