Midwest Mayhem 8 GRAND FINALS - EG | Zinoto [W] (Diddy, Corrin) vs TSM | ZeRo [L] (Lucina, Diddy)

[@thestylishfox5808]

That SD first game was so unfortunate. It made ZeRo fearful of using his lucina for the rest of the set, but that Lucina was on a roll tho. Proved to me that this character has a lot of potential.

[@destroyerofblades8923]

TheStylishFox 5 only reason people call Lucina bad despite her being a Marth is only because she doesn't have tipper on her sword.

[@samuelvibritannia4831]

TheStylishFox 5 I'm so glad he picked up the Lucina, the Cloud never seemed to be working out for him, and the moment he started praising and practicing with the Lucina I knew it was going to be used in tourney.

[@destroyerofblades8923]

Samuel vi Britannia Now with a Top Player plying her, we will definitely see everyone's opinion about her change and maybe even see more Lucina players in the future.

[@itscoolthough419]

Trueee, he wasn't cofident enough but think he could've adapted :/, just like he adpted with diddy and just bodied zinoto at the end

[@calebluecht1612]

Diddy ditto in grands... feels like 2014 again

[@tarhackle3503]

*2015

[@sonicloud7774]

$tar$hackle Feels like prepatch.

[@Chario_]

Shoutouts to Ally for streaming on Periscope

[@Chario_]

Joseph Fox The internet in the venue died during GFs, so Ally streamed it using Periscope on data Link: twitter.com/C9AlIy/status/850916613134073856

[@jssicow86]

Charles Xu I love Ally!!! that dudes got a great attitude.

[@blankszone2276]

Persistent blade switching with ZeRo so unfair, geez

[@ActualAlienBoiiii]

Has coaching gone too far ?

[@wesley777y]

It should be illegal to change with other players during a set, PersistentBlade should've kept playing... I wanted to see more Lucina u_u

[@sonnybrown4758]

I don't get this comment

[@RTCrowNZz]

Sonny Brown persistent blade is a name zero created when playing with lucina in some bracket or something and he was like rank 1 and never dropped a game. Something to that extent

[@rahulshankar4784]

itzmystory Umm no... There was an upcoming Lucina player by the name PersistentBlade rekting everyone on anthers and then got exposed as being ZeRo.

[@Halvencyon]

Ally's commentary was better Kappa

[@destroyerofblades8923]

If Zero didn't accidentally SD, he would've definitely destroyed Zinoto with Lucina throughout the whole set.

[@pickles.8888]

Mr. L I wouldn't say definitely, Zinoto wasn't really getting destroyed by his Lucina, and I think ZeRo made the right choice switching considering he won 5 games in a row with Diddy.

[@Div_Nic]

Harry 8 Pizza 6 actually. Would've been fun to see persistentblade, but he definitely made the right call.

[@hillmanhung3846]

Mr. L zero could fight a close game with lucina, or he can completely crush zinotos hopes and dreams with diddy

[@ShinyKelp]

Zero just 5-0'd Zinoto in the diddy ditto. Is Zero broken or is Zero broken?

[@tokenetta8070]

I really wanted to see more of Zero's Lucina. He would've rolled with her if he won the first game.

[@gameandflogchannel]

Tokenetta that really a ZeRo thing. He gets flustered pretty quick and loses confident in his picks so he switches off

[@pickles.8888]

gameandflogchannel Well I can see why ZeRo switched to Diddy though, considering he won every game afterwards with Diddy. At least we got to see his Lucina against Ally

[@Hyushi_sama]

gameandflogchannel I wouldn't call that losing confidence . him switching to Diddy vs Diddy seems like the smarter pick since zeros Diddy is over all better and match up doesn't really play a huge factor . it just comes down to who knows Diddy more, so zero won .

[@tokenetta8070]

That first game was close, I guess he didn't like that so he switched.

[@acario100]

Tokenetta if he was on winners side I bet he would have kept going as Lucina

[@rayywyan8636]

The Ally Pariscope was wayyyy better than this

[@chefcinnabutter]

I didn't even see him until zinoto stood up.

[@jaytaylor7735]

The year is 20HOO-HAH...

[@Blastros01]

Andre 3000 plays smash?!

[@Ozi_i]

強すぎｗｗ

[@SilverScarletSpider]

What does Vikki mean when she said Corrin's head is always vulnerable off stage? Are there character that have invulnerable heads? If I had to guess I think she means Corrins can't use f-air hitboxes to protect her head like Lucina's can but I'm not sure.

[@damiancarr168]

Actually she was wrong about that. Corrin DOES have a hitbox above her head so she has a safe recovery. There is a small window after startup but before she rises were her head can be hit but that's it. I think what she was trying to say (incorrectly) is that unlike alot of smash characters corrin doesn't have a hitbox above her so she can be gimped. Similar to why it's unsafe to recover with Roslina or Pit.

[@googlemeister8459]

She is wrong about many things.

[@hero0686]

Dark Knight She was right. Corrin is mostly vulnerable from above during her recovery.

[@hero0686]

Google Meister Seems you are wrong about a lot of things too

[@damiancarr168]

Colton McDonald No, she is not. She is not immortal in his UpB but she is FAR From vunerable. I would even go as far as to say she is one if the most difficult to edge guard properly. Go Google Corrin hitbox visualization and you can see it. with her slinder frame and in vunerable wings it is not possible to hit her with anything but a far reaching disjoint(around sword length) very low offstage.

[@MaxSpl3]

Seeing the bananas flying everywhere makes this seem so crazy.

[@Meh_phisto]

I see a lot of comments about how bad the female commentator is but I honestly don't hear anything wrong. Instead of bashing on someone who has a passion for the game why not help them get better? The entire community is about pushing everything to be their best so the scene can continue to grow.

[@pausa.]

David Berthelot yea exactly give her a chance

[@christopherfigueroa3083]

havent seen m2k in a while, what is he doing??

[@Saskaruto16]

christopher figueroa Playing melee

[@christopherfigueroa3083]

Saskaruto16 whyy????

[@Saskaruto16]

christopher figueroa Because he is better at it.

[@christopherfigueroa3083]

Saskaruto16 ur right!! but better money is in smash 4

[@Saskaruto16]

christopher figueroa Not at the placement he gets. He does so much better in melee and doesn't do as well in smash 4. Melee also requires more dedication to simple stuff just to maintain. He has been taking games off of Armada recently. It's worth it for him to try to be the best melee player.

[@G_U_STHEBESTE]

Let's go ZeRo!

[@rain_mendoza2000]

The commentators didn't see the banana hit the barrels and they blame the recovery. it hurts

[@Mentat1231]

In case anyone was wondering if Zero was still the best Diddy....

[@TheSLATEcleaner]

The commentators said the end to game 2 was unsatisfying, but Zero actually blocked him with a banana hit, which was a smart play.

[@knifeyxp]

Wish we could've seen the Lucina vs. Corrin

[@DairInNeutral]

EZ | Zinoto

[@sonicloud7774]

This set was okay except for that sd from zero's lucina making him switch to DIDDY KONG. Seriously I wanted to see more lucina ☹

[@zonx27]

I also was confused how Zero committed the SD in game one. I coulda sworn he hit the ground before falling off the edge. By the time he realized he had lost his jump he was dead.

[@MLGPro1x1]

absolutely amazing

[@4cyl]

Ally The Hero THE GOAT our savior Captain Canada!

[@Hennerrs]

"Zero with the pop off".... Should have gone to Specsavers =L Great game though, good to see Zero still doing his thing!

[@fudzi5971]

Lord zero strikes again!

[@ExpertDual]

Zinoto powershielded fsmash once and ZeRo did it again to see if he could do it on reaction lol

[@ExpertDual]

Another difference, ZeRo only Autocancels fair when it's unsafe on hit, while zinoto uses fair whenever, even when it is unsafe on hit

[@Null834]

Please don't let Vikki commentate UR tournaments, half tournament matches she was getting information about players wrong, no offense but commentators should be knowledgable on the scene if they don't know something or are unsure about something don't say anything.

[@googlemeister8459]

I agree

[@beta511ee4]

Etika Fresh off da Block Can't you just calmly correct them? On top of that, do you expect commentators to know absolutely everything?

[@linkganonmix]

How are you going to correct commentators mid set? Tweet at them? And sure, commentators don't have to know absolutely everything, but they shouldn't make claims about things that they don't have their facts straight on. I personally don't mind Vikki commentating, but still, what you said was kinda weird.

[@beta511ee4]

Kwinston X Smash Maybe critique them in between certain sets via Tweet? Or maybe offering constructive criticism on, say, Reddit?

[@rahulshankar4784]

Etika Fresh off da Block #freehyuga

[@prettiestgirlinschool8909]

at 14:50 zinoto was able to just run over zero's banana .. why???

[@Psytheslasher]

Prettiest Girl in School initial dash allows a lot of characters to move over banana because they are literally in the air.

[@majinz4812]

what did JJ possibly have to say @ 2:44 ???? to not SD like he does every set lol

[@alejandrosalgado7199]

I haven't seen the end of this set, but I have to say that in my experience, Lucina has no advantage over diddy kong (that said, it is a bad matchup for Lucina and Marth)

[@christopherfigueroa3083]

19:51-20:25 0% to death zero to zinoto

[@Psychoma99]

Zinoto's Diddy ain't shit compared to Zero

[@knojangles]

7 GRAND Finals

[@Ravio.Helianthus]

that yoshi todokete

[@prod_kg]

Tfw the only game you won was because your opponent SD'd

[@bagfaceman1656]

KG *Game

[@prod_kg]

True true

[@space-majin2972]

Lol I see some people are complaining about the female commentator. I really don't see the difference, she sounds like the rest of the other commentators other than her voice. Geo thing that everyone keeps complaining about isn't that big a deal calm it. idk why but I think TKbreezy is the best commentator, and that D1 guy.

[@bigjoe2438]

Did you just like your own comment? lmao

[@space-majin2972]

Big Joe​ Um no. If i click it now it'll be 2 likes. Nice job being random lol.

[@michaelsears1627]

She just feels fake to me. And usually I like sturm but he seems worse with her by his side. She has no good commentary duos that i've seen.

[@animusicalfool7670]

I think both did a better job compared to most. They kept it focused on the match and were able to follow and comment on nearly every move. If there's one thing I'm not crazy about is bias as a commentator because you have to be neutral to properly comment on the match, which is why I prefer these two (along with a rare few other smashers) over TKbreezy and D1. If they didn't show bias on occasion, they'd probably be the best.

[@adrianchriste6]

zinoto played really well, idk why he never put the pressure on

[@Direwoof]

zinoto always lookin fly af with dat hat.

[@thestylishfox5808]

13:55-14:00 Lmao, whom was that guy shit talking in the back?

[@Miracle7SSF2]

Ally

[@narukamizanagi8645]

TheStylishFox 5 what was he saying?

[@pinguijose]

over 26 minutes long video, Oh boy I wonder who is going to win smh

[@xx_v_xx4373]

pinguijose just be glad this isnt a Wrath set

[@jakiee]

Cifu El Pro It does. If ZeRo hadn't gotten the bracket reset, the video wouldn't have been that long. There is a chance that that could happen, but it's next to none.

[@sploing1]

I thought the second commentator was a kid until the end lol rip

[@Serralas]

Zero's Lucina is so much more fun to watch.

[@riiddisbuk2496]

Congratz Zero :D.

[@adamentkadabra2508]

Ally pariscope > everything

[@danielspahn3891]

Zinoto didn't have much of a chance, can't beat someone who knows exactly what you're gonna do

[@yoyobeat3196]

vikkikitty: her head..... (talking about corrin), nobody talks about male corrinXD

[@KorewaKosmo]

kinda dissapointed that Zero, being a top player, switches to Diddy just cause he sd. He was doing perfectly fine with Lucina and should have sticked with her, its not like a player of his caliber cant handle any preassure just cause he made a mistake

[@sethstoll8525]

im pretty sure he wanted to win so

[@KorewaKosmo]

hes got nothing to prove, we know he is if not the best one of the best. why not fully acomplish another win with a secondary

[@carlosmontenegro1927]

schlaepferAA lol cause he plays to win. playing diddy was the best option since he knew he would win. why woulf you not if youre playing to win?

[@KorewaKosmo]

well then I guess you completely missed my point

[@Blakeadam52]

these commentators tried way too hard lmao they werent meant for the mic dawg lol

[@augustcelineiii946]

Blake_adam UNPLUG YOUR CONTROLLER DAWG.

[@Cheezmonka]

Fucking lord, everybody. Think the commentators are bad? Try yourselves, the commenters. Talk about the game or the match, not the people talking about the game or the match.

[@MegaGrassman]

PersistentSpaghetti

[@Aae.X.]

He should've stuck with Lucina

[@SoulxFullMetal64]

ZeRo is broken

[@renishbadarpura7740]

Zero gonna win EVO with this Lucina FREE

[@miity9734]

Renish Badarpura nope

[@thelrproject257]

zinoto looks like andre 3000

[@starpix777]

Vikky is amazing, props to her! :)

[@julioarcaiko]

starpix777 yeah she's improved so much. You can tell she cares about commentating, if she sticks at it she could be a mainstay.

[@terencekelly2547]

starpix777 If her voice wasn't so annoying

[@Niceguyhidden]

Terence Kelly Why is it annoying?

[@terencekelly2547]

Herodreamer Oh I just decided that I wanted it to be annoying so it is. What the fuck do you mean why is it annoying? It just is, do you have ears.

[@matthewmazzatto8003]

A voice being annoying is very subjective. She just sounds different than commentators like D1 and EE. Could that be why her voice is annoying?

[@Guywith2usernames]

Vikki makes this almost unwatchable without muting...

[@pog7547]

I really don't like Vikki as a commentator

[@em-ji1zb]

wow that's rude 😥

[@Mangosjoraa]

Navi I feel u homie

[@googlemeister8459]

How is it rude? it's an opinion. No rude words were thrown into that comment.

[@Mangosjoraa]

Google Meister true

[@em-ji1zb]

Google Meister cuz Vikki tried her best and Navi just said she doesn't like it when she commentates I almost cried when I saw that

[@bahao1274]

nice

[@bambyce]

That was the lamest Zero to death I've ever seen.

[@lolkuuja1612]

Hoo ha

[@xelementalsupreme9308]

Diddyception

[@KamuiSR]

he tried to use corrin vs diddy lool

[@4cyl]

do you guys like the girl's commentary?

[@Tboiii]

no

[@georgezhang5784]

No

[@astackzzzz9759]

yes.

[@jaysee6320]

I think it's ok

[@sonnybrown4758]

it's good

[@sonnybrown4758]

Really great technical but fun commentary.

[@daviddorn742]

bad zinoto play and big mum zero

[@ProfCube]

omfg if something is anticlimactic dont talk aboit it being anticlimactic. That makes it even MORE anticlimactic.

[@kjayy7682]

I don't really enjoy vikki's commentary. I wish they would have someone a bit more knowledgeable.

[@willis195]

first

[@jonathanvida78]

Wilhelma Willis 247196839614683th

[@kuramijuno2482]

llantkidll lol.

[@fopneus8438]

where's hyuga when you need him? god damn vikkikitty

[@jadeh.7298]

Vikkie is my favorite commentator

[@em-ji1zb]

Jade H. nice

[@linkganonmix]

Why?

[@toxiclightning5303]

Jade H. TkBreezy and Keitaro are better imo

[@EnergyTK]

she's shit.

[@DracoKira]

ee,tk breezy for life

[@valerifaber1343]

HYUGA

[@SendFoodz]

Persistent Blade reminds me of when Hikaru No Go played online as Sai lol

[@ProfCube]

omfg if something is anticlimactic dont talk aboit it being anticlimactic. That makes it even MORE anticlimactic.

[@jadeh.7298]

Vikkie is my favorite commentator

[@em-ji1zb]

Jade H. nice