MiG -21 vs F-4B - Vietnam War Ace of Aces

[@takaharatanaka8818]

I'm always impressed by the quality of your content & the lack of bias within the material.

[@showtime112]

Thank you! To be honest, I'm always at least a bit biased 😁

[@takaharatanaka8818]

@@showtime112 You are human so will forgive.

[@chadrowe8452]

Me to I like the Falklands and Arab/Israeli

[@madaxe606]

As new player of DCS but a longtime enthusiast about the air war in Vietnam, this is great stuff. Really appreciate the referencing of conflicting sources. Undoubtedly the truth is somewhere in the middle. 13 aerial victories in a single airframe is amazing, given the odds faced by Vietnamese pilots. Home turf or not, SAM's or not, they went up against a full-on superpower and held their own. Those were very brave men.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the feedback! Vietnam certainly is incredibly interesting for military aviation enthusiasts. Probably because of huge uncertainty of the operations and a very serious threat to the US air power in the form of VPAF pilots.

[@jasonshuster4748]

Lt Cdr Paine was part of the RESCAP force that assisted in the rescue of Lt Cdr Christensen and Lt Kramer. The Skyhawks returned to the Enterprise but Lt Cdr Paine was waved off his first approach as the deck was not yet clear for him to land. As he flew downwind in the pattern for his next approach, his aircraft (call sign Battle Cry 302) was seen to suddenly pitch nose down and crash into the sea. Lt Cdr Paine ejected at 100 feet but this was outside his ejection seat’s envelope and he was killed. It was standard practice for aircrew to check each other’s aircraft for signs of damage prior to landing but no damage was seen on Lt Cdr Paine’s aircraft. For some reason the Skyhawk suddenly lost elevator control at an altitude that was too low to recover.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for contributing additional info!

[@specialed1049]

I am absolutely loving these as a Aviation and Military history nerd. I actually started getting back into DCS recently. Been loving it once more.

[@showtime112]

Thanks! And it's good to hear you are returning to DCS. They are constantly improving it.

[@Willoz269]

i for one cant wait for the MiG17 to be released for DCS...will be a day one purchase...what the Vietnamese pilots did with it is nothing but superhuman

[@showtime112]

I'm definitely getting the 17 as well.

[@Tamburello_1994]

I old enough to remember the F-4 in service dating all the way back to when the Blue Angels flew her. I cannot tell you the minute we heard those J79's we were on our bikes peddling it to T-line as fast as we could. Cannot wait for this classic airframe to grace the skies of DCS. Its truly a long time coming, better late than never I suppose. Most folks today are on about the Tomcat, and that's fine, but for me the Phantom was where it was at. Oh yea! Great video... Sorry mate. 🤣

[@showtime112]

Thanks for another comment! Yes, DCS is going to make one giant leap forward once the F-4 joins it ranks. To me and my channel, that is a treasure. There's enough material to do videos for years and years with the Phantom 😁

[@michaeldenesyk3195]

The F-4 Phantom was where everything started for the US Navy's development of the F-14 and F/A-18.

[@Senorgusanos]

Amazing job with this one. I love the format of spending more time outside of the cockpit during the video. Great work as always.

[@showtime112]

Thanks. Here, it was caused by the fact that this mod doesn't have a proper cockpit, but I might start using that perspective more in the future.

[@kadose]

Five star as always..those F-4s look fabulous!

[@showtime112]

Much appreciated!

[@bjornsmith9431]

Great air combat video showtime112, guess the first think to lose in combat is accuracy of information, confusion in battle.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment! Yes, a deeper dive into these events reveals a lot.

[@i.setyawan]

Another excellent video! The air war over Vietnam is one of my favorites. If you haven't already done so, please make videos about operation Bolo and other battles like the one where Duke Cunningham got his Ace status.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment! The Operation Bolo will wait for a full fidelity module (even though it's not going to be the exact variant). I want to do the famous three kills by Cunningham someday too.

[@BobbyTucker]

Randy "Duke" Cunningham was one badass MF, He's in Politics now in California.

[@i.setyawan]

@@BobbyTucker Isn't he still serving prison time, now? A tragic end for his illustrious career, IMHO.

[@dharmendrasharma1458]

Awesome as always great music gets the theme up keep it up!

[@showtime112]

Thanks, I was quite happy with the takeoff scene.

[@box8brewing829]

Showtime112 never disappoints! Well done and kudos for another great history lesson.

[@showtime112]

And thank you for watching and commenting!

[@jimkeats891]

I found your channel and am (slowly) working through you historical videos. They are FABULOUS!!! (even though the "bad guys" won this round). Given the fact that you call out the historical "inaccuracies" (e.g. "this is the wrong skin for this scenario") does you credit!

[@showtime112]

Glad you discovered the channel! Hope there's more guys like you :)

[@Outerwebs]

Love the depth of field in this one, looks great!

[@showtime112]

Thanks, I think it's pretty good too. Primary function however was to mask the fact that this isn't a map of Vietnam :)

[@paulstanton7153]

Another great video.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment!

[@donparker1823]

I worked at Raytheon for a little while in their missile division. I heard that the early versions of the Sparrow did not have conformal coating on their circuit card assemblies and that once they got in humid environments the humidity caused a super high failure rate (90% failure). They often just dropped off like rocks or just went dumb and didn't seek. But the Sparrow still killed 58 Migs and 2, An-2's for 60 total between the USAF and USN.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for contributing info. It is true that Sparrows demonstrated a very poor effectiveness in Vietnam. Even in Desert Storm, quite a lot would just drop without igniting their motors. But in the end, many scored good hits.

[@lemsolaris67]

That’s interesting, I ‘m surprised, now even electronics for domestic appliances got conformal coat ion, but it was so long ago

[@TheNorbica]

Hello Showtime 112! Great video as always with thorough research and brilliant presentation. Regarding the pronountiation of the names of Vietnamese pilots I can not give you an advice, but as a Hungarian I can recommend you that you should pronounce István's family name with Hungarian "c" sound in the place of the cz letters (sounds "ts"). Something like "Topertser". Keep up with the awesome work, can't wait for the next video!

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment! And for the correction, I apparently had some wrong ideas about Hungarian pronunciation 😁

[@guydespatie6881]

Awesome story telling as usual!

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much!

[@moonbear2130]

11:11 I thought that colonel Tomb was said to be a mig-17 pilot? At least according to Randy Cunningham, the F-4J pilot who shot down the non existent pilot. Though as it was an urban legend, it’s likely they never got their story straight on Tomb

[@showtime112]

Supposedly, it was the guy Cunningham shot down as his final kill. But as he is fictional, he can fly more than one fighter type 😁

[@moonbear2130]

@@showtime112 yes this is true lol

[@rackbites]

Is Cunningham still is gaol?

[@howardg2435]

This is a well done video, even though I am a a War Thunder fan. The F-102 kill was talked about in an online forum "Aviation Geek," The MiG fired an Atoll missile at Wiggens's aircraft, which hit the tail. Wiggens radioed that he had engine trouble, then his aircraft exploded. He never had a chance to eject. The myth of "Colonel Tomb" is exactly that. A myth. There was no one higher than the rank of major in the North Vietnamese Air Force who out scored Van Coc. There is also no translation in the Vietnamese language for the word "tomb." American pilots were said to use that story as a way to keep fresh pilots in theatre on their toes.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the comment! Yes, myths sometimes pop up in wars and older literature actually takes them seriously.

[@howardg2435]

@@showtime112 I realized after I made my initial comment about a detail regarding the F-102 Delta Dagger. It was a poor choice during the Vietnam conflict, because its mission was not ideally suited for the air war in Vietnam. The F-102 was designed to intercept Russian bombers from far away. Vietnam was not a country heavily reliant on bombers at that time, so the F-102 was put into position as a dogfighter. A role it was never designed for due to its slower speed and limited maneuverability. This made it particularly easy prey for MiG-21s. The primary weapon of the F-102 was also the largely unreliable Falcon missile.

[@ronaldwatson1951]

Great Reenactment, I was getting a bit excited I thought the functional F4 made it to DCS. Col. Toombs was a fictional person, but for moral and enemy caution ⚠️ the rumors was effective. Again great approach to the game.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the support! A bit too soon for the proper Phantom 😁 And it's gonna be the E model. As for fictional aces in wartime, the tradition seems to be alive even now.

[@ronaldwatson1951]

@@showtime112 I'm looking forward to seeing a operational model, with the Intruder, Corsair 2 and the already out A4. I remember the F4 during Desert Storm, but a S or G model rings a bell with me??

[@showtime112]

@@ronaldwatson1951 G model was used during Desert Storm in the Wild Weasel SEAD role. I heard they even brought some E models to Incirlik to fly the regular strike role. But they only flew a little.

[@bgabor1911]

@@showtime112 Heatblur have plans to make other variants in the future, I guess we will see Navy varians as well, like the F-4 J/N. Excellent video dude, as always!

[@aakuchin]

Да нет никакой больше игры,есть цель,есть противник.Под крыльями калибры и гиперзвук,скоро будет новый,шах и мат.Объясните своим тупвым политикам,Россия не хочет войны,Россия хочет уважения.

[@azorose7052]

It's pure pleasure to watch unbiased videos !

[@showtime112]

Thanks, glad you see it that way!

[@deetwodcs4683]

I wanted to comment that they probably didn't fly costum indian migs but you just aknowledged that, I appreciate that.

[@PappaBear_yt]

Yaaay, the shiny things are back! 😁👍🏻👏🏻🍻

[@showtime112]

They've been absent for way too long 😁

[@savamomirovic4439]

Great video brate!

[@showtime112]

Hvala!

[@savamomirovic4439]

@@showtime112šteta što nema još neka varijanta MiG-a. Ti PFL su posebno rađeni za Vijetnam, ako se ne varam imali su radar(lokator) koji je radio po malo drugačijem principu za razliku od ruskih varijanti za njihovu upotrebu!

[@showtime112]

@@savamomirovic4439 Da, bilo bi super da ima neka od ranih varijanti. Ali dobro, s obzirom koliko toga još fali u DCS-u, ne možemo se žaliti 😁

[@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--b]

Great video, thanks! I love that intro music, Go Navy! I read a book called Scream Of Eagles about Navy F4 pilots and the making of Top Gun School, they have different tactics and such then the Air Force. BTW, the carrier has a Phalanx on it but that system wasn't made yet in 1960s.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment. The carrier is not period correct, we have the Nimitz class and Forrestal from a later period.

[@Hichatsu]

Keep up the good work buddy!

[@showtime112]

I sure will, thanks!

[@paulstich3053]

Great vid. Keep it up👍

[@showtime112]

Thanks, I intend to.

[@vyshnav4092]

Good old classic stuff....

[@showtime112]

I appreciate your support!

[@steveowens913]

My f4 squadron started flight ops there on May 31 of '68 with 13 planes. Our sister squadron added another 13. It was anything but pretty. Just 2 weeks in, our C.O. was shot down and taken p.o.w. He wasn't returned until the very end on the war. His RIO didn't survive the crash. It was a war that, in my opinion, we never needed to be involved in. The Top Gun program did start up, I think, in March of '69, which did help our F4 crews. Our Vigilante pilots and Rios were subjected to two flyovers each, equalling double jeopardy. God Bless our many brave fliers and ground fighting forces!

[@vyshnav4092]

@@steveowens913 Big salute to those brave hearts.

[@dominicconolly1219]

Great research. Good stuff.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your support!

[@michaelpascual3581]

What a good way to wake up to, a video by Showtime112! I'm really excited for your first video with the F-4 and it just happens to be my favorite variant, the F-4E! Wondering if you'd do Phil Handley's Supersonic gunkill. Exact aircraft variant and you'd probably enjoy yourself blasting a MiG19 out of the sky with the 20mm cannon! Hehe

[@showtime112]

Thanks! I'm looking forward to the proper F-4. I'm not even sure which scenarios to do first, there are soooo many!

[@estellemelodimitchell8259]

A pair of F-4 Phantoms on the catapult ready to be launched. What’s not to like with video like this? Keep up the good man.

[@showtime112]

I sure will, thanks! I appreciate the support!

[@johnhayden6417]

o/ Mate! Great Work!

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the support!

[@jasonshuster4748]

The USS Enterprise got a MIG-21 kill 2 days later when a VF-96 F-4 got 1 with a USAF PILOT and a USN RIO.

[@julianlau5579]

Congratulations Showtime 112, spent a lot of efforts to get this video done. Just a note: the right wing star insignia should not appear on the top of the right wing, it should be underneath.p

[@showtime112]

Thanks for another comment and for the skin detail. I usually don't check to make sure the insignia is 100 percent correct because that would often double the production time. But details help.

[@LockOnNow]

Great Historic content as always Showtime112. Love the way you put up the story as always 👍including the music top work you hit the nail once more who stole my popcorn?😂👍 Out of all the Phantom versions, the F-4B was the primal rock of F-4's always my favourite one loved the ones with the White-nose and the Sharkmouth they were mostly I think stationed on the USS CORAL SEA (CVA-43) surprising that both the AIM-7 Sparrow missed there target's.😵‍💫 Sad to see that people who created Skins don't do their homework or research properly as the (6:00 min.) national emblem, weren't placed on both sides of the Phantom top (Wings) always just right-side viewing from the front like any other modern jet age US fighter. Is it just me or why at times the lateral bottom of the Phantom F-4B appears to look blurred. Saw you used the dark cockpit interior skin mode in the MiG-21 love it once in a while.😉I think usually they were kept turquoise to keep the Pilot awake...💤💤💤😉

[@showtime112]

I appreciate your continuous support. As for the blurred parts, that is the result of a Reshade filter that I used for the first time. I thought it gave a bit of a documentary feel. Plus, the fact that the map used here is not really Vietnam is less obvious 😁

[@LockOnNow]

@@showtime112 Most welcome. 👍It's always a good thing to try out new effects to see how it will look. Finally, It's up to you what you are going to use. I can only tell you honestly as a viewer of the video what I think of it. I personally would have used some B&W or old brown filter over the full screen to give it a documentary feel for some sequences but just some seconds to specially highlight some actions or events in the video. But those are just my two cents.🤗

[@vimfuego8827]

What an excellent YT channel

[@aresmilitaryaviation6254]

Awesome 👍

[@showtime112]

I appreciate your support!

[@dougroberts3840]

Great video, how did you get that blur like affect around the center of the screen look, Thanks

[@showtime112]

Thanks! That's a Reshade filter. I haven't played with those for a while. I think it gives a more documentary feel. It also makes it less obvious that this map is not really Vietnam 😁

[@magma4800]

Finally the F4B Phantom!

[@showtime112]

VSN does fill some gaps with their mods for sure.

[@julianlau5579]

Again, an excellent video. Thanks Showtime 112. The F-4Bs are impressive. Just one minor point, is it possible to delete the green Night Formation Flight Lights? These were not available in the late 60s. In any case great job well done. Thanks.

[@showtime112]

Thanks! Right, those don't look that good. Honestly, I'm not sure how to remove them as my skinning skills are a bit limited.

[@martybaran5509]

Your vids are getting better and better. Any chance releasing. Randal Cunningham becoming Phantom Naval ace video?

[@showtime112]

Thanks! That story is going to be covered one day for sure. But, currently we don't have a proper. high-fidelity Phantom module. We will get the E version soon, and someday probably a naval version too. Also, there's no MiG-17 yet. That too is being developed.

[@martinwalker9386]

The launch video showed a C.I.W.S. Weapon system on the carrier. According to Wikipedia that system was first deployed in 1973 for evaluation and 1977 for Operational Test and Evaluation and was approved for production in 1978. Therefore the video was not of the correct time period.

[@showtime112]

True. All the details are not period correct. And some of that is even mentioned in the video. And none of these videos are 100% accurate. Why? Because they simply can't be. A flight simulation is used as a tool to create them. Developing correct, high-fidelity aircraft modules for the simulation takes years and costs more than a million dollars. AI only assets are simpler, but even those take months to make. And now, imagine how many various aircraft, military vehicles and other ground systems, ships, missiles etc have been developed since the end of WWII? And those that stayed in the service for more than ten years usually went through various upgrades. To cut the long story short, it would take literally a century to develop a simulation with every piece of military hardware in every possible period correct form. The only other way to make videos such as this one would be to use some kind of a 3D animation software and start from scratch. And each video would take months to do and would probably cost at least several tenths of thousands of dollars. There are a couple of examples of amateur created videos of this kind and I can tell you, they look extremely lame with animation at early 1990s level.

[@radioactive9861]

Olds is an American LEGEND!...LEGEND!!!

[@showtime112]

Yep. I will definitely cover some of his kills in the future.

[@احمدمولودی-ت4ن]

Hello dear sir, the Phantom of the MiG-21 is much more powerful than the Phantom of the movie

[@stealthhumor]

I like the authenticity of the narrative, although it's a proven fact that the Phantom burns soft coal, pretty sure of that.

[@showtime112]

Thanks! Older versions burned coal. Newer versions used heating oil 😁

[@ratagris21]

Rxcellent content. To my understand Col Tomb few severals types of Migs over the years. The best pilots got the latest and greatest Migs in the NVAF.🎩♠🎯🏁🏵💙💛🌻🇺🇸🍀

[@alejandrocasalegno1657]

Col Tomb is like the Ghost of Kiev.....never existed.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment. Since Tomb was fictional, it was a bit easier for him to fly different types 😊

[@craig8724]

That F-4B is nice mod but something is up with the flight mod going NOSE crazy!! Good looking mod and vid

[@showtime112]

Thanks for commenting. These mods are much simplified but I'm still grateful for them. VSN really fills that Cold War gap well.

[@craig8724]

@@showtime112 yes they do!! I’m very great happy with their mods. The F4E mods is flys very very nice! If you ever see or hear of a VSN type Mig 21 let me know please !! Thanks for the vids

[@alejandrocasalegno1657]

Make a video of Nguyen Duc Soat, FIVE comfirmed by US records F-4 Phantoms shot down in 1972, and a A-7 Corsair too, the last was shot down but the US Navy say was a SAM.

[@jasonshuster4748]

That A-7 was a SAM loss. The pilot killed and he was actually shot down by a SAM on 12/13/66 bailed out and rescued.

[@showtime112]

That is an interesting story too, I'll probably cover it. We don't have a Corsair yet but it is being developed.

[@alejandrocasalegno1657]

@@jasonshuster4748 The US Navy say it, are several USAF/Navy planes shot downs as "AAA or SAMs" claimed by the VPAF, and the vietnamese side of the history is credible, one famous case is the F-4J of Cunningham-Driscoll in May 1972, after become a Ace, him was shot down and the official record is a SAM, but a US Navy present in the combat, McConnell say "I don´t see a SAM, Cunningham was flyng to the sea with MIG-21 a behind" the MIGs pilot who get the victory was Vu Duc Hop. By the way Cunningham ended in jail for corruption

[@alejandrocasalegno1657]

@@showtime112 One of the F-4 was a USMC plane from the VFMA-232, the only Marines plane lost in air combat.....a very unique victory!!!

[@jasonshuster4748]

@@alejandrocasalegno1657 yea I know about jail time never cared about it and of course never liked what he did only the aerial war part of his life. Maybe was a SAM maybe a MIG-21 who knows we weren't there.

[@enriqueencalada1237]

It's a good work. I just want to know why some inaccuracies like the markings in the F 4 and the interior of the mig, that suppose to be in a green blueish color, not black

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment. As for the F-4 marking, currently we only have very limited F-4 models in DCS with a couple of skins. This one is not historically correct. As for the MiG-21 interior, I've come across several photos of Vietnamese PFM instrument panels which are painted in black.

[@herculeanmeal9270]

I can hear 'fortunate son' in the background.

[@psbergeron03]

I was in vf 121 nas miramar in 78 to 79 as a plane captain/ airframes. The squadron had it's share of top gun notables.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@konradheumann8342]

NICE!

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment!

[@ibluap]

Hey! There's a problem! That is a F-4, no doubt of that, but an F-4 what? It's got the nose of a "B" but the afterburners of a "J" or "E" variant... (long "petals")... Am I wrong???

[@showtime112]

This is a simple mod and creators just focused on the most recognizable feature. It's still a huge improvement because until now, we only had the E variant. And with badly outdated textures.

[@robertgrantham1023]

Did DCS finally come out with the Phantom II model?

[@showtime112]

Not yet, this is just a mod. But the real thing is coming this year. So they say.

[@robertgrantham1023]

@@showtime112 I'm waiting for the day when we have the full Vietnam map and campaigns etc. The Skyraider would be nice too. I am particularly fond of Sandy SAR type missions.

[@patientmental875]

Are you using any graphics mods?

[@showtime112]

Not in DCS itself. I do use Reshade filters for videos.

[@RealSiViX]

DCS: Select strength of Depth of Field Showtime112: Yes.

[@showtime112]

Think it's too much?

[@RealSiViX]

@@showtime112 Just a little bit and not all the time... In some places it looks pretty good, like I am watching old archival footage, in other places the effect kinda makes it look like legos or model planes layered over barely distinguishable backgrounds like something out of Dr Strangelove... I apologize if my original comment came across as harsh, I was really just trying to be funny, overall, the quality is very good, just the DoF feels heavy in some places...

[@showtime112]

@@RealSiViX That's alright. Critics can sometime help because creators are notoriously bad at judging their own work. I mostly liked the effect because it made the footage look more documentary. Also, it helps to hide the fact that this is sooo not Vietnam :) I'll try not to exaggerate with effects, generally speaking.

[@RealSiViX]

@@showtime112 - I mean, with 18k subscribers and this video getting 22k+ views in a couple months, I'd say you're probably doing something right, I wouldn't mess with your formula too much, LOL I hadn't even considered that you might be intentionally hiding the background because it didn't fit Vietnam's terrain...

[@melancholiusmonkey-mann5749]

Great work, Showtime! your videos are always of a high quality: depicting recorded events while staying true to the actual historical narrative... that's said I am a little disappointed that the launch sequence of the F-4 doesn't quite capture their actual launch stance i.e. nose gear pitch elevation what looks to be a 15° angle of attack as seen here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYHSi6xunq2gmq8. I know you are using mods here... let's hope when the heatblur phantom drops they get this right.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for commenting! This F-4B is a relatively simple mod but for a long time, we've only had the F-4E version (and with an ancient polygon count), so this is a major step ahead. Heatblur announced releasing a naval version as well but first, we will get the E variant.

[@34500dauphin]

chris Hobson'sVietnam air losses book said/: F4B BuAer 151485 from VF92 Uss Enterprise shot down by mig21. F4 hit by Atoll and started nose down spiral towards the sea

[@showtime112]

Thanks for contributing more info!

[@dado500]

F4 je prekrasna ptica. Šteta što nismo uzeli donaciju 20 ak od luftwaffe . Ponuda je bila na stolu tamo 2010. Bili su modernizirani i sa modernim raketama. Bili bi izvrsno prijelazno riješenje na zapadnu tehniku s mig21.

[@showtime112]

Slažem se, to bi bilo solidno prelazno rješenje. Ovako možda preskačemo previše toga odjednom.

[@BruceK10032]

CVA-59 is USS Forrestal.

[@showtime112]

This is the closest available match

[@ioanbota9397]

I like this strong fighters jets

[@showtime112]

That's what the Phantom is all about, rough and tough.

[@nekilik7165]

F-4 jednostavno nema šanse protiv mig21 u bliskoj vazdušnoj borbi. Ima veoma ograničene manevarske sposobnosti i jedina mu je nada aim-7

[@showtime112]

Ima šanse, kako ne? Samo treba igrati na jake strane. Ići na vertikalne manevre recimo. U kasnoj fazi rata, Mornarica je bila itekako uspješna sa Phantomima.

[@nekilik7165]

@@showtime112 napravi neki tutorijal molim te

[@showtime112]

@@nekilik7165 Možda kad se Phantom pojavi.

[@waltergreif4836]

re: that F4 shot down over water...pilot had nothing on his RWR?? WELLDONE!!

[@showtime112]

Probably not. RWR in those days were very limited. And it is possible that the Vietnamese pilot never even used the radar. Or at least, that he didn't lock him up. That wouldn't have given any warning.

[@randybaumery5090]

They should have made the F4 with a 20mm cannon from day one!

[@showtime112]

Seems so obvious now

[@Saguanay]

I cleaned that skin up and they removed the slimers (formation lights) off the aircraft.

[@showtime112]

Did you upload it somewhere?

[@husainbadeln4123]

Meine Liebling MIG 21 BIZ

[@ivanmiletic3880]

vrhunski

[@showtime112]

Hvala na komentaru!

[@ivanmiletic3880]

@@showtime112 ma nema na cemu mora se pohvalit ovakvo nesto jer je no1

[@husainbadeln4123]

My love MIG21 BIZ

[@showtime112]

It's not supposed to be the bis here but we don't have any other one.

[@АндрейГолубев-у4ц]

Ээ, вы чё! При старте с палубы у всех F4 стабилизатор на пикирование! Конкретный ляп. На 21БиС на разбеге ручка до упора, сам поднимает по скорости. А тут короткая палуба...

[@Trev0r98]

U.S. military roundels aren't right. Too big, and wrong proportions / aspect ratios. The bars are too long and too wide.

[@benganchan1420]

It doesn’t matter anyway . vietnam defeated france in 1954, america in 1975, china in 1979 . Defeating 3 erstwhile powers is a nice military record

[@showtime112]

These videos are not about strategy or global politics.

[@eugeneoreilly9356]

And Cambodia in 77.

[@sixgunsymphony7408]

The Republic of Vietnam was destroyed by the communist regime in the North.

[@aarondrennan5650]

Rolling Thunder=Rolling Blunder

[@showtime112]

I suppose it could be called that way

[@54blewis]

Never understood the need for these bombing halts,particularly when the North Vietnamese were just beginning to feel the effects of the strikes….White House probably felt (naively as it turned out) that a halt would make the North Vietnamese more congenial,far from it it only strengthened their resolve,this misinterpretation of the North Vietnamese mindset continued to plagued Washington throughout the war,leading to costly mistakes and unnecessary casualties…..eventually it was the US resolve that faltered… (operation “Linebacker II ironically was arguably rather successful and if implemented earlier in the war would have yielded the desired results and possibly reduced the NVA effectiveness in the south)* *this is just speculation on my part…!!!

[@showtime112]

Although we have the benefit of hindsight, such policy seems very naive and counterproductive. The communist side was ready to pay any price to win and that's what ultimately decided the outcome.

[@thescarletandgrey2505]

Did Sparrows ever hit ANYTHING? I realize I’m exaggerating but man, those missiles sucked.

[@zagreb123123]

😍😍

[@showtime112]

Your support is much appreciated!

[@paulg1730]

F4's did not have a gun in the a/c until the F4E...

[@showtime112]

That is not a gun. Google F-4B photos.

[@phantomf4747]

Cute...playing war while others actually fought in one.

[@showtime112]

So? Most historians never fought in any wars but that doesn't mean they can't write about them.

[@fighter__pilot-h3v]

حضرت تخمااااام علیه السلام

[@giuseppemarin1549]

Mi piace il Panthom ma anche il MIG 21 si sono dati battaglia nei cieli del Vietnam...ancora validi

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment!