murder suspect's manifesto just leaked.

[@riddlorecvemipre]

He had also just turned 26. The magic age when you’re no longer under your parents insurance. So maybe he got a little firsthand taste of how wicked this system really is.

[@Anthropomorphic]

Maybe, but I think he's had back problems for years. I guess his family's a major donor to a hospital where they live (there's a unit named after them), which would imply that he probably hasn't struggled in terms of access to health care. I won't claim to know for sure, though.

[@riddlorecvemipre]

@ he could’ve had that problems for years. But he comes from a rich family. So his parents insurance probably covered his back problems up until he turned 26 and had to pay for himself.

[@notanimportantperson]

​@riddlorecvemipre from what i saw he was angry about being denied a 40k back surgery for years

[@Anthropomorphic]

10:40 Historically, I think it's been relatively common for revolutionaries and people with revolutionary sympathies to be college educated and pretty well off. Even today, radically anti-status quo sentiment isn't rare on college campuses, and maybe most common at ivy league universities. It may be rare among the 1%, but I'd guess that it's fairly common among the top 20%. Obviously, though, they don't usually take it quite this far.

[@charlespeter5610]

Yup. Most revolutions are led by an unhappy middle class.

[@xboneyt485]

Left a similar comment about Che, Castro, etc. bizarre comment but he must not be that familiar with history lol

[@open_mike_eagle]

on this aspect I was not. I appreciate the corrections tho. cant be right all the time

[@ConvincingPeople]

I can believe he had a handwritten draft which he passed to someone who seemed sympathetic when he got caught. I can also believe, following what Robert Evans observed, that a severe injury and subsequent navigation of the healthcare system while dealing with chronic pain could turn a physically active, intellectually inquisitive and highly privileged young man, even one with those sorts of broad right-libertarian sympathies, into a very radical and direct enemy of this particular system at the very least. Consider that the WWI dictator of Austria wasn't taken out by a communist or an anarchist, but a very angry social democrat who saw his shot and took it; or, more pertinently, how Shinzo Abe's assassin wasn't particularly political otherwise, just someone who'd seen his family outrageously wronged by the Unification Church and wanted to bring attention to the plight of people like him and his mother by taking out one of the cult's biggest boosters. Pain is one of the great levellers. Luigi Mangione knows pain. It's that simple to me.

[@HWHAProb]

I think I might disagree with you on his copycat potential - Robert Evans said it better than me on his substack but the CEO murder took place on the same day as a school shooting, and only one of those is dominating the headlines. To a specific type of attention seeking young man, that's very significant. It's worth remembering that lots of school shooters explicitly followed the lead set by the Columbine shooters. Although the reaction to those boys was mostly negative, to a certain type of asocial edgy boy they seemed badass. Particularly that security cam photo of them with the submachine guns. Some people famously even thought they both were hot. Most of that type of edgy person weren't going to follow the Trump assassin's footsteps. For lack of a better term, Matt Thomas Crooks seemed generally dweeby. Too unattractive. The attention he got made him seem like a loser who acted out. And ultimately he missed. Luigi Mangione is a COMPLETELY different story, and the public reaction demonstrates that. He is attractive and seems generally intelligent, a valedictorian. Then he took out someone who symbolized an industry that's universally reviled, evaded the police almost flawlessly (outside of a moment he took to flirt with a concierge), and survived to tell the tale. He's near folk hero status. People are writing fan fiction about him. His struggle with chronic pain is incredibly relatable. Apolitical everyday people are sympathizing with him. Almost no one was doing that for Thomas Matthew Crooks. Mangione could very well become the new archetype for that type of attention seeking edgy violent man going forward.

[@Anthropomorphic]

The Joker posters now have a real-life person to idolize.

[@tokyo169nyc718]

Buddha was a originally born a prince living in a palace... Friedrich Engels's family owned multiple textile factories during the heyday of the industrial revolution... Che Guevara was from an upper class aristocratic family... 3 revolutionaries in their own right that come to mind that went about it different ways but their opposition towards the excessively rich/unjust systems was the same. So no surprises that the kid comes from a rich family.

[@open_mike_eagle]

yeah I wasnt generally aware of that. I've learned a lot today

[@russellk.4896]

It isn't particularly unusual for political radicals to come from privileged backgrounds. I don't know how to explain the phenomenon, but it isn't new. My favorite example is Pyotr Kropotkin, a 19th-century Russian aristocrat who became a prominent anarchist, but there are plenty of other examples. And Kropotkin was much richer and much more radical than Mangione, who seems to really just be radical against the health insurance industry in particular

[@plotted_pant42]

che guavara

[@XavIsOnline]

Yeah people doing 9-5s have a harder time parsing through the propoganda machine to reach positions that actually threaten those in power

[@Anthropomorphic]

Marx was upper middle class, Engels inherited a lot of money from his factory-owning family.

[@riddlorecvemipre]

Been 26 years old and no longer covered by your parents insurance policy could be the thing that radicalized him

[@aersla1731]

@plotted_pant42 Che Guevara?

[@m.streicher8286]

historically speaking 11:06 is actually what happens. Study any revolutionary time period.

[@open_mike_eagle]

I wasnt aware before but a lot of comments are echoing this. I'm glad to get this education

[@Durrutitv]

He was a rich kid, yeah, but from what we know of him I think there's a couple important inflection points that get us to where we're at. 1) he suffered from a debilitating back injury, 2) he aged out of his parents insurance plan. Given that his parents were well off enough to provide him with the education he received, I would assume they had a pretty great insurance plan. He may have been accustomed to a decent level of care. He then turns 26 and suddenly he's cast off and has to join one of those shitty HSAs with skyhigh deductibles that pass as "insurance" in the labor market... That's a hell of a transition! Add a debilitating back injury with chronic pain and you get a crash course on just how God awful American health care is real quick.

[@itim777]

10:40 - Engels

[@4tado]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if this happened in 2013, during Nintendo's "Year of the Luigi"

[@elijahzalecki]

It’s so interesting to me that this guy, who largely followed right-leaning pod-tech-bro contrarians, who grew up with material wealth, who despite it all still found himself a victim of our current systems, managed to direct his anger towards the power structure itself. Rather than like, immigrants or some bs like that. Cynically, of course it’s when the full-of-potential white guy gets fucked over and fights back it gets all this mostly positive attention from the working class, but he has the resources. Optimistically, a lot of people are having class conscious conversations right now. Idk, weird times we live in.

[@Shinyshoesz]

Just to echo other commenters here -- there are numerous and plentiful historical examples of nobles, royals, etc that decide to dismantle or go against the status quo. The most notable is likely Karl Marx himself who was highly educated and if not extremely wealthy, far from being a working class person (he was a professor of philosophy and is described as having a upper-middle class lifestyle) -- despite his manifesto being entirely about dismantling the bourgeoise. I would say it is actually much more likely than the other way around, despite popular perception because you have to be first educated, aware, and able to respond in some manner to the power structure in order to really change it or perhaps more directly -- to even be able to muster the time and energy to do so. If you also take a look at most totalitarian and other adjacent governments and their leaders -- it is oftentimes some ideologically driven intellectual class that is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Gadaffi was famous for his own philosophy that drove him to steer his country in a particular direction. Mao and the whole CCP is deeply indebted to certain philosophical traditions that shape their policy. Hell, even though he's not a real radical -- many working class people ludicrously, but sincerely hold that Donald Trump -- a billionaire -- "Isn't like the other guys" and will "Drain the swamp" of the corrupt Washington legislators, right? This is nowhere near a new phenomenon. The most radical leftists I've ever met all come from privileged backgrounds in my own personal experience, despite their oftentimes contradictory and ironic involvement with the power structure itself.

[@gt1r]

Poor people have too much bullshit going on in their life to plan something like this. OF COURSE it was a rich kid.

[@open_mike_eagle]

certainly less time to access a 3d printer and figure out how to get on the dark web

[@Nthn2leeMvc]

That boy gonna make bail. He got enough money from cleaning up his 2 mansions. I hope the ghost haven't came back though.

[@fraxinellla]

I feel like "[indecipherable]" is doing a lot of work in this text XD

[@open_mike_eagle]

indeed

[@pytorman]

luigi's mangione

[@supernerdproductionz]

To be as honest as I can, I believe the factor that pushed this guy to actually go through with a murder was a lack of consequences that come from being male from a background of financial privilege.

[@benweinstein7140]

I mean you combine that new to Twitter/Sociology 101 mind with awful back pain and in this country and it’s more surprising that the CEO felt ok to walk around so freely but people in a similar line of work will be a lot more guarded from now on.

[@lurtz8656]

I believe the YT channel was a fake account, the profile picture changed after he was already in custody

[@open_mike_eagle]

I need to look into this a bit more. I just heard about the KZbin channel this morning and haven't really had a chance to do any further research on it

[@ErkaaJ]

I refuse to believe that he was carrying around all the evidence and a manifesto

[@MichaelOfRohan]

Because youre a fucking conspirscy theorist

[@ren0v8ed78]

You can’t kill or arrest an idea

[@ramirezmanuel117]

Bro looks like al profit

[@charlespeter5610]

Very rich doesn’t even cut it! He is *wealthy*. His family owns a couple country clubs around my way along with (ironically) a chain of nursing homes. His cousin is a Republican state representative. His family money is old enough that said country club has faced discrimination issues in the past. A friend of mine had a sweet 16 at said club, and that was when I realized her family was rich.

[@xboneyt485]

10:39 you must not be familiar with Ché Guevara or Pol Pot or Fidal Castro 😅

[@open_mike_eagle]

apparently there's a lot I didn't know

[@xboneyt485]

​@@open_mike_eagleyeah 😅 even the founding fathers who started the American Revolution were all very wealthy. It takes money and connections to make systemic changes historically. All good though

[@dwright3252]

Might sound conspiratorial, but why would he thank the Feds/ police in his opening statement? Seems fishy for the NYPD with a 36 percent clearance rate, IIRC

[@open_mike_eagle]

I think he meant the feds specifically as in the FBI. he probably respects the local police a bit less

[@gekoh5541]

LOL i love how people treat the media as if its actually obligated to cover news stories from an informative and unbiased perspective. They were awfully quick to find his online book reviews, and infinitely slow in actually discussing his perspectives.

[@wawztzta8296]

dont call him angry. shouldnt you know about media optics

[@open_mike_eagle]

he looks angry to me

[@nauxjonkeith3254]

I recommend that you do you! From your tone… I can tell that you are a white male😂😂😂

[@joedent3323]

​@@open_mike_eaglehe does. Unless Lou has some misguided ideas about smiling? That thumbnail barks "Angry Young Man".

[@tjkrueger2655]

Did Luigi expect this to somehow change the way insurance companies underwrite their risk, how they cover medication and procedures, etc? This system is so entrenched in ways we fail to imagine. I think we all know he just threw his life away (and another person's) for notoriety, and little else.

[@ADonline20]

I think the system being entrenched in ways we fail to imagine is exactly why a person could be motivated to take it to a physical level like this. People regularly turn to attack when they feel betrayed by the system, it’s just rarely against CEOs n that class of people, usually just other working to middle class people getting attacked. I don’t know him so maybe notoriety was his priority but it’s not necessarily a given

[@tjkrueger2655]

@@ADonline20 if you're saying it was just a frustrated person flailing and lashing out in the most destructive way possible, due to feeling inconsequential and helpless... possibly? Likely? If there was some revenge on his mind, due to some insurance lapse and how it affected someone he knew, he didn't mention it. And I doubt someone in his family's stature even needed to worry about affording coverage. So he was willing to throw his life (and someone else's) away as some flailing populist 'hero' I guess, which is notoriety. I wonder if he wrote this after the incident, and how much of the 'manifesto' was shaped by the image people had for him and his motivations...

[@ADonline20]

@@tjkrueger2655 yeah I do agree that with his given manifesto that he hasn’t exactly been successful in spreading a larger message or redirecting people towards a way they can potentially fight the healthcare system in a non-violent way. If it wasn’t for notoriety, then it was definitely impulsive and shortsighted in delivering a more concise/compelling message while he was in the spotlight he generated

[@yung.alchemist]

he genuinely doesnt long anything like the actual picture we have of the assassin while he was committing the crime, the media doesnt even use the first real picture anymore and only uses the starbucks picture, which also looks nothing like the original assassin and has a different backpack and jacket on and isnt confirmed to be him. seriously everyone go look at Luigi and the first photo of the assassin, the eyebrows are completely different and Luigi has like a unibrow, also why would he go thru all this trouble and get out of new york just to carry every bit of incriminating evidence he could have discarded anywhere like a week later? that makes no sense whatsoever if you think about it for literally 2 seconds. The feds are probably trying to play us for fools, i dont buy it and everyone should be skeptical

[@notanimportantperson]

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