Zach's Gun Rants - Part 8

[@Coconut-219]

Absolutely true that phenomenon of "we originally wanted to make a PDW, but our engineers cooked way too hard. So now the special forces use it because it's so awesome."

[@AHDBification]

I mean, a tiny tungsten dart is just such a cool concept.

[@Jodie-G198]

I forget which one is more utilized: the P90 or the MP7?

[@johnandrewserranogarcia7223]

@@Jodie-G198 P90 because most NATO countries have the tooling to make .22 projectiles already, but not all NATO countries have the tooling to make .17 projectiles.

[@theguy9208]

​​@@johnandrewserranogarcia7223 .177 is the most common airgun caliber in the world. .22 is the other. airgun pellets are not much different than real bullets. they have a wide variety of types from wadcutters to hollow-point polymer-tip-penetrator hunting pellets. the best ones are made in germany lmao. all this to say, airguns are extremely popular worldwide and mostly come in .177, i doubt projectile tooling is the issue my guy.

[@KaptajnKaffe]

​@@Jodie-G198now? I would say mp7. It was adopted by a buttload of SF, but it has been used a lot by door kickers in American SF. P90 just never caught on the same way. You see it, but not to the same degree.

[@victorwagner2423]

PDWs. Designed for rear echelons do defend against commandos. Used mostly by commandos to neutralize rear echelons.

[@UrbanCohort]

You were the chosen ones! You were supposed to [defend the rear echelons], not leave it [vulnerable]!

[@synthwavecat96]

Is that right, Other Barry?

[@948320z]

@@synthwavecat96 Yes it is, other Barry. Yes it is.

[@Soviet_Man56]

Whoever can out PDW the other PDW gets winner-chicken-dinner.

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@Soviet_Man56 what would you know about some chicken dinner?

[@RightsofLiberty1917]

A one hour long Zach’s Gun Rants video released 17 minutes ago? Splendid.

[@charlesfreeze3997]

Best thanksgiving gift one could ask for.

[@Dunkopf]

​@@charlesfreeze3997we eating good tonight

[@AlienFan25]

Hey, how many videos of Mikeburnfire have you seen? I'm trying to find a certain gun he covered, but it's not in the gun rant videos. Could you help?

[@AlienFan25]

Ah Nevermind that was easy. Found it. It was the tactical shotgun that was kitbash.

[@ourosys]

Years ago, playing Rainbow Six Vegas 2, a teammate during Terrorist Hunt would sing "Desert Eeeeagllle!" every time he got a kill with the gun. He got killed near the end of the hunt, and told me I had to go back and get the "Desert Eeeagllle!" to kill the last couple enemies. I couldn't resist the song. Now, to this day, I still sing "Desert Eeeagllle!" anytime I get one in a game.

[@Imperium_protector]

alright cool

[@gagekellstrom3978]

If only he knew the permanent cultural engraining he did into someone. I have so many similar things from early Xbox era matchmaking. Especially halo customs like 2/3

[@Jodie-G198]

Desert Eeeeagllle! 😆 Now it's stuck in my head.

[@senixprime]

this but with the raging bull for my family lmao

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

Amusingly, because the melody was never written out, every reader likely imagined a different one. For me the classic Dies Irae progression makes the most sense because of it's centuries long association with death. All minor key F-E-F-Eb (final note ending 1.5 steps down from first).

[@ReinaSaurus]

dont ask yourself whether you want a grenade launcher attachment on your SMG. ask yourself whether you want an SMG attachment on your grenade launcher.

[@codyblea3638]

I'm just saying, 37mm flare launchers are legally not guns in many US states nor at the federal level. They even make some real tiny versions that mount via rail.

[@Dirty0o0Jester]

Okay, I'll bite. Can we get a Rotary feed on that GL? Yeah it'll be fiendishly off balance and huge, but the Possibilities!

[@NewAround92]

You'd think that no one would be stupid enough to mount a GL on an SMG, but VBR of Belgium and ST Kinetics of Singapore actually went there

[@Umbra_Ursus]

Brutal Doom taught me that the grenade launcher component can be more fun than the light machine gun itself. But both in tandem is best.

[@M101K3]

Sounds like something Kennedy would say and McNamara would approve.

[@scottcain20051]

My internal monologue sounds like Zach now, when it comes to firearms. However, to flex on NPCs, I rotate Zach in my head.

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

Hmmm.... so that's your Zach. As for me? Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Zach Man! Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Zach Man! Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Zach Man!

[@NewAround92]

OH MY GOD, the Deagle is a reference to Counter Strike 1.6, where it is called the Night Hawk. That's a boomer tier callback!

[@keenices1972]

I always thought people knew that detail. goodness I was wrong, yeah it is a CS 1.6 reference! I feel old now

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

CS 1.6 wasn’t that long ago, I was in highschool! ….oh wait. Damn.

[@PlebNC]

Dude, Boomers don't play CS. CS came out in the 90's and Boomers were born in the 50's because that's when the baby boom was. You're confusing them with 90's kids and millennials.

[@jroden06]

​@@PrebleStreetRecords same boat, brother.

[@AlienFan25]

Still wish I could've experienced those older games. I'm sure there's ways but I'm talking 1.1 the feeling it was back then. Kryoz made it seem awesome. I only got to experience the csgo on 360. Wouldn't recommend.

[@eggy6815]

The worst part about the fallout 4 assault rifle is that fallout 3 already had 2 decent looking assault rifles (the R91 assault rifle and the Chinese assault rifle) that were made by Bethesda themselves and Bethesda still decided NOT to use them

[@ravenoferin500]

That's the thing I hate about it. The Capital Wasteland is so close. They just had to add it. Already have the Chinese presence and close enough if it was smuggled or otherwise brought to the above it's weird it's just there as well.

[@alecdickens1042]

The assault rifle is absolutely terribly designed, and multiple gun nuts have said so. That said, adding it wasn't a case of "we need an assault rifle", it was "we need an assault rifle for POWER ARMOR", so it had to be chunkier to look good in the hands of a power armor suit. However, the combat rifle absolutely should have been one of the models from F3.

[@alecdickens1042]

The assault rifle is absolutely terribly designed, and multiple gun nuts have said so. That said, adding it wasn't a case of "we need an assault rifle", it was "we need an assault rifle for POWER ARMOR", so it had to be chunkier to look good in the hands of a power armor suit. However, the combat rifle absolutely should have been one of the models from F3.

[@screamingcactus1753]

@@alecdickens1042 Too bad nobody will ever see it used by power armor because there aren't any NPCs that use assault rifles and power armor, and the player is never going to use it because it's a rapid fire weapon that shoots ammunition that's weirdly difficult to obtain in bulk.

[@alecdickens1042]

@screamingcactus1753 You don't arm your settlement guards inpower armor?

[@JustJoshReal]

On the note of MP1 and 2, MP1 was the post war West German designation for the Beretta M1938 and MP2 was the West German designation for the UZI, notably the MP2 had a wooden stock and the MP2A1 was the folding stock version

[@EvilN3rd]

if you go far enough the MP10 is just optimus prime

[@yocapo32]

@@EvilN3rd UNREGISTERED MACHINE GUNS ARE THE RIGHTS OF ALL SENTIENT BEINGS

[@johnlevitater1775]

Very Good!

[@jpassa9093]

@@yocapo32I second this

[@RamGilamar]

I was about to comment that aswell, damn.

[@HappyMan0203]

So the reason for the grenade launcher function for the MP7 in HL2 actually comes from the development of the game. Originally, the AR2 was going to be based on the OICW which of course had the grenade launcher built in. However, when the OICW was cut, the grenade feature was integrated into the MP7 to give it some extra use and functionality longer in the game.

[@Pattamatt1998]

That's neat, makes a lot of sense. I always assumed it was just because the MP5 in HL1 had a 203, so they basically just ported the same weapon over with a face lift.

[@vinixox]

Funny enough, wasnt there some prototype to the mp7 that was Intended for the OICW platform?

[@Chrinik]

​@@vinixoxI think so. There were two kind of 'rifle' options for the OICW and one looks like an AR15 and the other like an MP7

[@vinixox]

@@Chrinik an in-development Mp7 and a modified G3, actually.

[@uningenious]

​@vinixox There was also a MP5K, but that got merged with the MP7 to become the HL2 SMG we know today (stats wise, according to the hl2 beta leaks came from the MP5K. visually, the gun, the looks came from the MP7.) edit: nvm, they merged both equally (the beta mp7 had a magazine capacity of 60 and was internally known as the SMG2, while the MP5K, had a magazine capacity of 30, and known as SMG1 internally. The MP7 fired faster, but the MP5K was more accurate and had higher damage. Thus, the median magazine capacity of 45 - between 60 and 30!)

[@Rougrou1597]

The main character of Elysium gets cancer when he gets stuck inside a device. His boss doesn't care and his only way of getting better is if he gets to Elysium

[@derigel9783]

The greek version of heaven? So in order to live he has to die?

[@professorwikipedia2115]

Nah elysium is the name of the rich people space station that looks like reach from halo and they have super futuristic booths which heal any injury which is why the main character wants to get up there so he doesn't die of radiation poisoning sounds wild but its a good movie if you can turn your brain off​@@derigel9783

[@TheBiggestJake]

​@derigel9783 Thats deep.

[@Nomadith]

​@@derigel9783 Funny what ends up happening...

[@alecdickens1042]

"Inside a device" Top-tier description

[@matthewcorridor]

3:09 The exact reason I haven't bought a Deagle is because I'd want the gold tiger stripe one. Because if I'm going to buy the big, shiny, stupid gun, I want the biggest, shiniest, stupidest version of it. And there are just far better things to throw 4 grand at.

[@theimperiumofman102]

There may be better things, but there aren’t cooler things.

[@Jodie-G198]

Gold titanium nitride, I believe is how the Magnum Research catalog termed it. If you're gonna go for gaudy with the Desert Eagle, this is the top of the mountain, LOL.

[@jacehackworth6413]

I work for my dad and we were offered a black tiger stripe .50 for tree work and unfortunately he turned it down. I really hope that guy needs some more tree work soon and still has that gun.

[@timturbo7727]

My favorite are the retro first Gen ones without rails on the bottom and top and the ported barrel cause I like the chunky sleekness of it although it's the least useful version of the gun

[@Jodie-G198]

@@timturbo7727 The Mark VIIs, or the XIXs?

[@thehoodedteddy1335]

The thing I love about the G11, os in Robocop Rogue City, when Robocop reloads it, when he spins the thing, his hand spins like 360 degrees while doing it

[@N1mdok]

I like how the german said "yeah we made this watch into a rifle, and its so complex , you better stock up on the entire mechanisms as spares " and the american said "put 2 boolet in one cartridge"

[@N1mdok]

The g-11 makes you think , i bet nobody even considered the shells as a cooling part, but as we saw with almost all caseless ammunitions, discarding the part where the actual explosion happens is a great way to keep the weapon cool.

[@filmandfirearms]

@@N1mdok It has nothing to do with discarding the case, it's the fact that the gun opens up, allowing hot air to escape. That's why machine guns are open bolt. The issue with caseless is that if you're going to add a reciprocating opening, you might as well just make a conventional gun

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The 429DE is a 50AE necked down to accept a 44 bullet. .429" is the nominal bullet diamter of 44 Magnum.

[@Jodie-G198]

Caught that, too, I see.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Just like .440 Cor-Bon did way back in the day. I guess Magnum Research liked the idea so much that they revived it themselves.

[@Ironface53]

50:53 After all these years, he finally admits to not understanding a single word of Zach's unhinged tirades. And he just keeps fucking going lmao

[@claypigeon7063]

50:46 You put your timestamp at þe end of þe line.

[@Ironface53]

@claypigeon7063 Ok Scottsman

[@robertlewis6915]

@@claypigeon7063 nice thorns

[@Cassiepult]

nice knight pfp​@@claypigeon7063

[@Hiddenus1]

8:30 talking about MP5 with underbarrel grenade launcher after saying that Gordon used MP7 in HL2, forgetting that Gordon used MP5GL in first HL xD

[@Drefsab]

Zach's gun rants are legitimately my favorite running series on youtube.

[@AskTorin]

Same

[@BlackdragonTheShadow]

Oh no… we haven’t even gotten into the first rant and I’m already dying of laughter due to Mike carrying a Christmas Tree as a weapon

[@xfreezingturtlex]

So, the reason the HL2 smg has a grenade launcher is basically because the HL1 smg had a grenade launcher. The reason the HL1 smg has a grenade launcher is (I think) because at one point, it was going to be an assault rifle, but they couldn't get the balancing right; it either dealt too much damage for the intended pace of gameplay, or it didn't deal enough damage to really "feel" like an assault rifle. Switching the model to an smg got rid of that issue, since it now did what felt like an appropriate amount of damage without hurting gameplay (side note, I think the HD models in later versions of HL1 that people tend to hate make the smg be a rifle again). The reason it kept the launcher through the model swap was 1) it's fun, 2) it keeps it competitive with the shotgun it shares the 3 key with, and 3) they wanted something on that alt-fire button, and aiming down sights was a lot less ubiquitous in games at that time. Most FPS games of that era were still echoing Doom (or some other id software game) to some extent; while you may get a dedicated long-range precision weapon with a scope you can actually use, standard play was hip-fire. Making the alt-fire use the sight would either be pointless because you wouldn't be any better at hitting what you're aiming for, or it would negatively impact the weapon's gameplay, and possibly the gameplay of the whole suite of guns you get in that game by tanking overall accuracy. It would have to be a very different game to what Half Life turned into. That's just my kind of rough rundown, I may be missing some details. I hope you enjoyed my dubiously-accurate game history rant.

[@potetobloke]

I thought the situation was "There's too many guns that do similar things, let's try to mish mash whatever we have to save resources" and so the OICW and the SMG1 became the SMG2, and the flare launching rifle became the Pulse Rifle, and so on.

[@xfreezingturtlex]

@@potetobloke Admittedly, I'm something of a newer fan, so maybe I haven't heard every version of the reasoning, but I also just think it would be weird if HL1's smg having a launcher on it wouldn't influence the choice to stick on launcher on the version of the weapon in HL2.

[@johnlevitater1775]

MP1 = Beretta MAB38 MP2 = UZI MP3 = Walther MPL MP4 = Walther MPK MP5 = HK54 MP6 = NBW 4,73x25 Caseless MP7 = 4,6x30mm MP7

[@bscar]

No. The MP3 is a music file and the MP4 is a video file. Sorry, couldn't resist. But thanks for doing the research for the rest of us.

[@perturbedbatman2009]

In my first playthrough of Fallout 4, I had a Bleeding Assault Rifle, and I was so mad that such a stupid and awful looking gun was also my best one.

[@naxmorvigatore4168]

Currently watching this with the rest of my family for thanksgiving, because the only thing more fun than learning new things is the nerds monologuing about them

[@sgplaysit8727]

On this thanksgiving im thankful for gun rants

[@SamSquids]

"Because I can't have one, that makes me want one." pretty much the same reason I want a Benelli M3. I hate living in Canada.

[@cbecht]

I've heard "minute of bad guy" in several places for something similar to what Zach calls "minute of person". Another popular one is "minute of barn door"

[@infodump-withallib4385]

I brought up the G11 prohibition to my girlfriend who lives in Canada, trying to express how crazy that particular thing is. They also listed ~960 different variants of AR-15.

[@coenisgreat]

11:40 People always "forget" the master of one part of the phrase because it wasn't even part of the phrase until the start of the 21st century, the rest of the quote predates it by almost three hundred years. And the original, just 'Jack of All Trades' is from a century before that.

[@Junk4u999]

Thank you. I hate how people add extra bits into idioms just so they can "um actually..." people and insert an extra bit that contradicts the first half.

[@flyingturret208thecannon5]

@Junk4u999 half the time, it's because 4chan or 8chan finds it funny.

[@luscinius2933]

25:35 The irony of explaining what caseless ammo is, using VOG-25 as an example of a bullet, an actual caseless grenade.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

I mean, in terms of how they're fired, a bullet isn't that different from a grenade

[@filmandfirearms]

It's still a caseless munition. The VOG-25 is probably the easiest way to show someone how caseless ammo works, since the components are visible. The G-11 cartridges don't even look like ammunition, they look like failed 3d printing jobs

[@khrisbreezy3628]

29:58 was a beautiful little moment from the editor, that was a nice touch lmao! I'd play more fallout if I could just download a packet of all the files and mods used by Mike and Zach. Watching the gun rant videos makes me envious of your game sessions 😂

[@JohnSmith-dq7sr]

Its incredible how much time and effort goes into modding and all these weapon models

[@ovs_crow4785]

A new gun rants on my birthday!? Holy shit! Thanks you two

[@Jodie-G198]

Happy Birthday, Crow!

[@adjustedbrass7551]

Congtraions

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

Birthday gang. It does make a pleasing birthday present

[@Homeminboss]

does any one remember which fallout 4 episode Zach said "deussy" or "dussy" and then Mike was like "no no that's a cloka" (dont know what he said but am going off of memory) Edit: its episode 76 at 6:27

[@Engineer266]

I think that's in one of their out of context videos.

[@Homeminboss]

@Engineer266 Unfortunately its not

[@MamLewis]

I have come up with a head cannon as to why the "assault rifle" is the way it is in Fallout 4. In the fallout universe, the US is split in the 13 (I think) commonwealths rather than 50 states. This gives the individual commonwealths a level of autonomy, much like real commonwealths like Wales and Scotland. I imagine part of that autonomy includes arming their armed forces. So a place like Washington would have their own manufacturing facilities, so they'd get their G3 clones you see in Fallout 3. However, the Boston Commonwealth was putting most of it's funding into The Institute, and was a run by a massively corrupt government (The Mayor had his own personal bunker and the vault in the canter of the city was just one huge scam to get public money), so when they were called to arm troops to fight in Alaska and China they didn't have any funds. So they just slapped whatever stuff they had lying around to make ANYTHING that shoots. Also, with oil being such a precious resource in the Fallout Universe, they couldn't just make a bunch of G-36s, so it's all just metal. I know it's not a perfect theory, and the actual reason why it's like that is because Bethesda is run by gibbons, but this makes it feel like it would fit into the worlds lore a bit more.

[@widgren87]

A better explanation then what BS Bethesda would give...

[@sweetpepino1907]

You know what, I like this theory enough that it almost makes me like that monstrosity. The thought of it being ridiculous in canon is very Fallout.

[@Mahrooby]

Like they just dug up lewis guns and stuck greebles on it to make it seem high tech and sold it at a hilarious mark up as they laughed all the way to the vsult

[@ssjbread2803]

I mean...this also explains why each fallout game has different assault rifles. 3 has a g3 clone, vegas has a...weird ar15 clone with wooden furniture and no rear charging handle, 2 has the g11, and 4 has that fucking abomination.

[@MamLewis]

@@ssjbread2803 in my head cannon, the Service Rifle was a Civilian rifle pre-war rifle, and was adopted by the NCR because of ease of production in the post-war world (hence the wood furniture). I imagine the G11 was made by the Enclave, and the original Assault Rifle in 1 and 2 is that region's gun.

[@The5lacker]

"I know you're doing a bit but you're actually kinda correct." "I shouldn't be!"

[@falloutraider4168]

Another thing about fallout 4 AR is that the rear iron sight is only modeled on one side. Looking at it while aiming down sights is fine, but if you look at it from the front, it disappears.

[@wwobbles]

I know what I’m thankful for, Zach and Mike giving me a way to escape politics at the dinner table.

[@LDSG_A_Team]

"Minute of person" is a fantastic and hilarious phrase, and I will be using it from now on, thank you

[@megasartshack]

M16 is the Barbie for gun nuts The Deagle is the Gunpla

[@durandol]

So is that shiny gold one a P-Bandai?

[@CT-1902]

The g11 was actually slated to see service, it was almost completely adopted and there were even orders in place for it to be produced but then the reunification of Germany happened and subsequently the fall of the Soviet Union. So suddenly they didn't need that anymore

[@themuffinturret]

,,I have an MP7'' HE SAID THE THING!!!

[@TheVerruckMan]

36:16 The funny thing is that Mike's actually technically still correct about the G11 ejecting rounds out from the bottom, because the gun still has an ejection port in the bottom of the gun in case you have a dud or otherwise need to cycle a round that didn't go off.

[@flyingturret208thecannon5]

Fun fact, we don't forget the "often times better than master of one" part. It was a troll made by a forum post in 08 or some shit. No historical text has been uncovered showing the longer version.

[@lilwyvern4]

1:00:00 I'll tell you exactly why: because it was designed by an artist who doesn't know how guns work and just wanted something he thought was cool.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

But it doesn't even look cool either! It's SOOO goofy and ugly!

[@lilwyvern4]

@@thegoldencaulk2742 Yes it is. Some people's ideas of cool are just...skewed.

[@LispedGonk]

Babe! Wake up! Zach's ranting about guns again! What do you mean I need to take my pills?

[@buttahXD]

The best part of the G11 and the "Grunt using" issue is that the whole clockwork inside thing was NOT designed to be fixed in the field, if one went fucky the doctrine was supposed to be "immediately toss or turn it in for a new one".

[@jordanjones6367]

Idk if y’all will see this but I’m spending thanksgiving alone this year due to being in the military and having to bail out of my trip last second to watch my dog. So you guys posting this today really helps. Thank you and happy thanksgiving

[@arathbautista4131]

it’s hilarious to think they haven’t created a gun range for these moments where zach is Nerding

[@Jessforprez]

We are going to have a part 10 pretty soon

[@CoolHandLuke87]

WHOO

[@syvarris467]

The Bren Gun is so cool. Great sustained feeding with an assistant, and the amount of VC citations involving a Bren Gun are so numerous it's hard to count.

[@MF_JACK]

This easily tops any birthday present I may receive today. Thank you Mike and Zach. Happy turkey day to yall.

[@MiishaKorvian]

9:20 I own a PS90 (civilian semi-auto only carbine of the P90), my younger sister joined the USAF after I did and was logistics. She had more trigger time for Uncle Sam than I did, and she loved it more than the M4 she qualified with and carried in Korea. FNH really knew what the rear echelon troops would appreciate. XD

[@simongraf9133]

16:50 why do you abandon the alliterative beauty of the phrase “minute of man”

[@danielrickner7190]

It's kind of hard to support either phrase without ending up on a list.... However, I would also offer, " angle of men"

[@Epicmonk117]

I prefer “minute of asshat” because it keeps the same acronym as “minute of angle”

[@squodel1051]

6:10 the MP2 is actually just a German Copy/Variant of the UZI

[@andrewevers2420]

Hearing them talk about the Desert Eagle makes me want to hear them talk about the Jericho 941.

[@Randomly_Browsing]

Oho,the baby Deagle

[@filmandfirearms]

The Jericho is basically just another modernization of the Browning Hi Power. That's not a bad thing, it's a fantastic operating system, copied countless times, but it's not particularly interesting. I'm saying that as someone who likes the Jericho, there's just not much to it beyond aesthetics

[@diamondknight1015]

6:03 when you guys were talking about all the MP types, the only thing that came to my head was the Masterpiece line for Transformers, which have the same abbreviations lol

[@thatguy1080]

33:59 Oh come on Zach, it wasn't ALL for nothing. Everybody realized at the end of the day that increasing hit probability was really a matter of giving everybody scopes instead of fancy shmancy guns with their weird ammunition.

[@ertrick3693]

The thing I like most associated with the Desert Eagle is the moment in the first Metal Gear Solid when Snake was all like "No, Meryl, you don't want that .50 cal handgun, it's too big for your tiny girl hands, take my current handgun, the SOCOM pistol, which is literally less than an inch smaller." While I know it's meant to be a call-back to Metal Gear 2, I feel like Snake secretly just wanted Meryl's Deagle for the street cred, he didn't actually care about how Meryl handled it or how it performed versus the SOCOM.

[@TheSimmr001]

I thought it was a recoil thing, rather than a size thing. giving the soldier the lower recoil gun while giving the legend the hand cannon.

[@Nostradankus]

The SOCOM shoots real smooth so I don't blame Snake for handing the gun to Meryl. But it is still massive, makes me feel like I'm a kid playing with a gun every time. I guess those spec ops guys all got massive ham hands or something.

[@filmandfirearms]

Even the hottest .45 ACP loads are much softer shooting than any .50 AE loads. Add in the stupidly heavy SOCOM absorbing a lot of that energy and you've got an incredibly soft shooting gun

[@R2121]

I've never clicked on a video twenty four seconds after it was made public before. This is insane and I love it!

[@Hogmagundy]

I love how I'll be watching and say to myself "that's wrong but what about that bit" and almost every time Zach covers it. I'm not as knowledgeable about optics so I'm learning too.

[@popuptarget7386]

I think the Deagle was in .41 AE at one point in the 80s

[@karolpx1000]

One of the early DEs were in a weird and niche "Magnum-labeled" as I like to call them, calibers, I think it was the .41 Mag.

[@Jodie-G198]

Thank you - someone who also read those old gun mags and Shooters' Bibles.

[@agnosticlibertarian175]

As for color coded shotshells, brown was 10 gauge, purple was 16 gauge and blue 12 gauge meant slugs instead of buckshot

[@demokebab2314]

22:47 someone tell Zach, Brandon Herrera made the kalashnibren

[@Randomly_Browsing]

There's actually a Bren that were converted to accept AK mag during Korean War

[@Benjimanz]

I can just imagine them cuddling while Zack is nerding out to these guns 😭

[@nonAehT]

i've seen a bunch of people copying the "what's wrong with guns in bethesda games" thing. But not a single one can hold a candle to Zach

[@DonPatrono]

pointer for Zach: - the MP1 was supposed to be the designation used for the Beretta MAB38/42 smg used soon after WW2 by the West German border police (BGS). Not many know of that since it was pretty limited in numbers (around 5 to 10.000 were delivered) and used by a lesser known German law enforcement agency. - MP2 is the name for the Uzi SMG license-built in West Germany and used by the West German Army (Bundeswehr) from the 1970s to the 1990s

[@Randomly_Browsing]

Is MAB38 were by Beretta that Italian used during WW2?

[@DonPatrono]

@@Randomly_Browsing Yep. the reason as to why the BundesGrenzSchutz used the MAB38 was because before the end of WW2 the German police had placed an order for smgs to Beretta, that had been partly paid in advance, but the invasion of Italy first in 1943 and Germany later in 1944-1945 blocked everything. After the end of the war, when the BGS was formed and had to be armed, they reused some K98s from police armories, and asked Beretta to deliver upon that order. The MAB ended up being used well into the early 70s when it was replaced by the MP5.

[@MrJulio632]

0:45 so 40k plus Gundam?

[@austingray765]

Yeah kinda

[@Epicmonk117]

“Nah, just 40k.” - Imperial knights and titans, Aeldari wraiths, and various T’au battlesuits

[@julianjanczyk9041]

Just another thing that makes me smile in your interactions. Zach Gun rants. Freaking love them!😊

[@CompleteToast]

Wait, would the 420 deegle be the weedle?

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

BOOOOOOOO! [hucks spoiled tomatoes]

[@CompleteToast]

@@hallowedbeyourdays i'll be here all week

[@arx3516]

The neat thing about the MP7 is that you can use it as a sidearm by folding both stock and foregrip and keep it in a holster.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The MP1 is presumably the MP40, and the MP2 is the Uzi. Ironic, I might add. (A grenade launcher on a submachinegun would be good for SWAT and Riot Police. Niche, but better than having to carry a second weapon just to fire tear gas or smoke)

[@ClonedGamer001]

The MP1 was actually the post-war West German designation for the Beretta M1938

[@Tanknerd69420]

No the mp1 is the mp18

[@ClonedGamer001]

@@Tanknerd69420 No it isn't. The Germans didn't start sequentially numbering equipment until after WW2. Before that gear was designated by year of adoption.

[@Tanknerd69420]

Because it’s the first machinenpistola

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

@@ClonedGamer001 huh. I figured they would have just kept all the MP40s and looked for a less politically charged replacement. Kinda funny making an Italian gun the first MP of the 'new Germany'.

[@cake_9510]

Well I guess there's one thing to be thankful for. I needed this today 1:51 I'd get a 357 version. I think that would be fun and manageable to have in terms of experience and ammo cost

[@tezlaactual6582]

i feel like the vanilla "assault rifle" was like some guy just looking at pics of early machine guns adding bits and bobs going "heheh its a reference" but had no idea how guns internally actually functioned, which is why if your doing stuff that requires some functional knowledge either do your fking research or hire an advisor whos actually in that field and knows how its supposed to be

[@Dhips.]

They wanted a gun that looked "old" even though by 2077 A water cooled Maxim would be over 190 years old. I find it easer to suspend my disbelief that an AR/AK/G3 pattern rifle would still see use in 2077 than whatever the hell that thing in Fallout 4 is.

[@filmandfirearms]

@@Dhips. The AR platform has been in service with the US military since the 1950s. The Air Force were first to adopt it, and the Army soon followed suit. Everything after that was just refinement which still would've happened in the Fallout universe. The AK has seen nearly a century of continuous service and shows no signs of going away any time soon. Even the original AKMs still see use, with Russia using it for basically the same role that the US uses .300 Blackout, since it turned out that 7.62x39 actually suppresses really nicely. Even more modern styles of gun are based on old designs. Most European service rifles today use an AR-18 action. The G36, the L85, the AUG, the VHS-2. If it isn't an AR-18, it's probably an AK, like the Polish Beryl and everything coming out of Zastava. All this to say that it isn't suspension of disbelief to have them in Fallout. WW2 happened just as it did in the real world, and everything that led to modern firearms design came from lessons learned during WW2. It's reasonable to assume that the Fallout universe might have stuck more to mid 20th century styling, as seen with the NCR Service Rifle, but the designs would still exist

[@Dhips.]

@@filmandfirearms Everything you said that applies to our reality I agree with, however I don't see the AR15 being used 50 years from now by the military, unless we've truly plateaued and nothing new ever comes out As for Fallout: I think the firearms found in the games before 4 fit the setting. As I said I can see a G3 or AR platform rifle having use in their world before the bombs dropped. Way more than whatever the hell that gun in 4 is. In a cannon where the P90 and Marksman Carbine (the modern looking AR15 from NV) exists I can't see that abomination seeing any use.

[@filmandfirearms]

@Dhips. Militaries are far more concerned with cost and reliability than anything else. Considering the resource shortages in the Fallout universe, those are even more important. The Mauser action is still in military service around the world to this day, despite being about 150 years old, it's just being fit into modern chassis. It's cheap, effective, and reliable, so there's no reason to replace it, it just needs to be fine tuned every decade or so

[@austinclements8010]

i love the MP5, i once met a guy who modified one to shoot 5.7mm rounds, and called it the MP5-7 xD theyre just compact and fun to shoot

[@kinggoldnugget2316]

Gun rants..ON MY BIRTHDAY?? HELL YEAH!!

[@TexasAmericana]

Happy Birthday!!Your gift is a new gun rant!!!!

[@callmefoureyes]

Happy birth day gun 🤝nerd to gun nerd🤝

[@iaaz6772]

On Thanksgiving too🎉

[@therealmoose5489]

Happy birthday 🎊🎉🎂

[@DwarfElvishDiplomacy]

I remember when i played as a kid that my main character had a real cool pistol that i couldnt find any info about when i grew up. Turned out i mixed up Fallout with Last days of Gaia, also known as German Fallout. The gun was an Automag 3, havent seen it any other game since then until it got added to HHH. Its glorious in VR

[@filmandfirearms]

I've actually had the good fortune to shoot one. It wasn't mine, a regular at a range I worked at let me shoot it. Believe it or not, it's actually quite easy shooting. It produces one hell of a fireball, though. I have a photo of me shooting it as I pulled the trigger, and you would not know that it was 6 pm in December in Washington. It was 30 degrees out that day, but my face felt like I'd been standing in front of a heater. I didn't hit anything, I kept anticipating the recoil and hitting the dirt, but it was a lot of fun

[@blackoutstrider]

5:52 MP7 jumpscare

[@situngkirnathan]

I like the idea that guns can talk like in Toy Story and the most advanced of them just refuse to work when held by grunts out of fear.

[@L0st_Sensei]

The fallout 4 AR gives me the halo "we designed guns so that they don't look like guns" vibe

[@Kaarl_Mills]

But guns in Halo look good for the most part

[@L0st_Sensei]

@Kaarl_Mills I'm mainly referring to a rather infamous post by one of the halo developers where the stated that they don't like games that "glorify" modern firearms, and that the only reason he was able to cope enough with halo was because most of the guns are pretty Sci fi and distanced from real life

[@Comkill117]

I like the added edits on here. It’s very helpful to see the extra details. Also, and I know it’s been said to death, the Fallout 4 Assault Rifle is even more terrible when you consider how much better both the US and Chinese ARs were in Fallout 3.

[@MarkoDash]

16:30 i've heard 'minute of man' fairly often

[@zaomiicgaming8145]

Didn’t ask

[@Tundraviper41]

One advantage of Cased Ammo that the G-11 does not enjoy is that the brass casing normally absorbs some of the heat from the internal explosion caused by a gun firing. Which helps slow down the rate in which your barrel starts to expand/deform from excessive heat.

[@spacehobo1095]

@6:00 This was probably answered in the comments of the original video, but MP1 and MP2 were designations used by the Bundeswehr (German Military) and the Bundesgrenschutz (Borderguards) for the Beretta Mod.38A of WWII Vintage and the UZI respectively. The the Mod.38 was esteemed by the whermacht and SS and was primarily used by the BGS after the war, who used a number of WWII Vintage items, whereas the MP2 was the standard issue for vehicle crewmen from the 60s until it was replaced by the MP7 in the 00s.

[@digitaal_boog]

‘Minute of person’ is 100% gonna become an actual thing

[@sabbagels]

4:56 - this is about to fill the hole in my life of the Vans customizer that I spent hours playing around with as a kid.

[@itsjustmeerkat1485]

Hapoy thanksgiving guys!!!!!! Just wanted to say that i am thankful for the consistent content that’s only ever gets better hope you boys have a good one!!!

[@cryptable_]

I am always on a lookout for a new episode of Zach's gun rants, yes please. While not always 100% accurate, still a fun way to expand on my growing firearms knowledge. Thank you.

[@SoulBanditz]

Turkey day AND new gun rants? You spoil us sir burnfire

[@bscar]

The comment Mike made about the MP7 being a jack of all trades, Zach sperging out about the full phrase, but not actually refuting Mike, then him realizing Mike is right and he just goes silent for a few seconds as his brain processes that information and reboots itself will always be funny to me.

[@twingolord]

no way. i found you two again like yesterday. and i get a brand new gun rants? hell yeah

[@K-9Joker]

Happy Thanksgiving Zack and Mike 🦃🦃

[@lukefalkreath3370]

I swear these videos are my favourite thing to appear on my suggested videos section

[@spacemoai]

This was one of the most comprehensive guide to the G11 and I'm still struggling to comprehend it

[@IosueChristopher]

This. This is what im thankful for. A new rant video

[@CowCommando]

"Minute of person" is my new favorite unofficial gun related term.

[@TheNukedNacho]

I missed the episodes where these bits came out but I gotta say Compared to the older, original Gun Rants, Zach sounds a lot happier. And I just think thats great. (Or at least he was for the MP7 bit) On the other hand, I think it might just be that patrolling the Mojave almost makes FNV Zach wish for a nuclear winter.

[@JohnMiami891]

best time of year to get another gun rants comp.

[@throwitoutthewindow]

I’m thankful for Mikes gun rants, where I can regurgitate the facts to my friends like I was the one who knew these facts.

[@Cheesefalcon]

The reason I love these gun rants is because it's like a class on the history of small firearms, but it's taught for those with ADHD. Instead of structure and curriculum, it's a teacher with random gun thrown in front of him for the day and just talks about it.

[@TheSaltiestOne]

I cant believe I actually sounded like an excited chimp when I saw this. Dont regret it tho