REAL TALK: What Makes A Fighting Game Great?

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[@michiganjack1337]

The font and stylization of the clock timer.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

Yes.

[@sour3000]

For some reason that might seem small but it's definitely noticeable when done correctly. For example, the street fighter x tekken lifebars/ clock timer. Say what you want about the game itself but the lifebars were too damn cool. Lightning strikes, eurostile font, cool character photos. Some might say it was extra but I think they nailed it because the game itself had a loud, extra feel to it!

[@_BASIC_INSTINCT]

what fighting games really need is good font

[@Theyungcity23]

The font used in the combo counter and size of it can make or break a game for me.

[@furrybproductions]

OMG YES

[@thesamuraiman]

For a casual like me: Fun factor, great characters, gamemodes/content, lore

[@neoshenlong]

For a casual like me: an active community of casuals with proper skill matchups. Nothing keeps me off a fighting game easier than putting me up against people who just wipe the floor with me.

[@cosmicspider2]

Basically the game as a whole rather half of it.

[@M4TTYN]

i think this is everyone to for all gamers tho lol

[@mr.goblin6039]

This right here. This is also what I think can make a fighting game so good.

[@magicalcapi9148]

For me would be: Accessibility, single player value, style Yeah... I don't play many fighting games... Although I like to watch'em

[@theonlylalis]

Oddly enough I always look forward to a fighters backstory, always truly enjoy that,

[@Salty-Josh]

Same bro that is why fighting game characters are unique in their own way

[@762x69]

This is why story matters in a fighting game. Motivation to connect to the characters is pretty essential

[@Salty-Josh]

@@762x69 yeah no one is playing a game only for story but if there is no story you don't know what the heck is happening and it makes you like characters

[@sour3000]

You care about a fighting game stories? That's a first😂 Fighting game stories tend to suck. Too shallow often times!

[@judekraft8104]

I'm totally not into the lore that's just fan stuff imo I get a fg and I go right to training.I get lore from watching twitch and commentators etc.storymode totally never play unless it unlocks a character

[@LulutheJester]

As someone who is just now getting into fighters I would say my favourite part is how labbing breeds discovery and curiosity which then makes you actually want to go into matches to see how well you can execute the things you've been practicing. It's also through that discovery that a person can show their unique playstyle with that character.

[@ShotoStephen]

I was trying to word it, but I think you did a great job. On MKX launch day I beat the story then spent all night labbing Mileena and testing everything out online. I still remember this one match I had against a Erron Black that was 300-6. It went to round 3 where whoever could confirm into a combo would win and I pulled out a victory.

[@LulutheJester]

@@ShotoStephen Exactly I remember when I was 1st trying out the strive Beta I made the mistake of just learning some bnb combos and then going right into multiplayer without really learning any setups or shorter hit chains so that I could properly set somebody up or close the distance and manipulate the neutral to be able to even utilise any of the things I was just studying. After doing that I went back to multilayer and started winning some rounds.

[@Ch35h1r3C47]

@@LulutheJester I don't enjoy labbing personally, I'll train enough to get a feel of the character but then i prefer learning in the wild. Just throwing myself into the madness, fighting as many different people and characters as possible, learning what works when against who.

[@LulutheJester]

@@Ch35h1r3C47 hey glad you have a method that works for you man. For me it was just difficult trying to actually know what I'm doing when I don't know any buttons or how any of my moves function and I only get 60-90 seconds to figure it out against a person who is gonna stop me from trying to do that. Maybe when I'm more familiar with the genre and kind of gain legacy skills like I have with shooters and I'll be able to spend less time in the lab and more on the field

[@MugenHeadNinja]

I genuinely wish I could enjoy training mode like you do, I always have to force myself to lab and always find it very tedious and unfun.

[@yungstarjc4094]

Characters is the most important part to me.

[@Setteri_]

Yeah characters can be important too, if none of the characters appeal to me im probably not even touching the game.

[@sour3000]

@@Setteri_ true... The fighting game trailers has to have at least one character I feel some kind of connection to (even if it's something as small as a cool hairstyle or taunt lol) or I'm not going to check for the game. I need at least one character to draw me in.

[@acido44]

Exactly, and this is also why I think a great portion of the genre has become niche. Because the characters are still the same cliches and archetypes and refuse to evolve. Take female characters for example, Mortal Kombat has made them badass and dignified and in this day and age it is the only fighting franchise that is at blockbuster AAA level. Meanwhile most japanese developers scare away nearly 50% of potential buyers by keeping the same old jiggly boobs and fan service. That kind of stuff screams "niche game" in 2021.

[@bogi4995]

@@acido44 Dude, even though they are the same fighting game, the market for those two games are definitely different. And isn`t MK has that kind of fanservice too in the past? Like overly sexy Mileena?

[@mr.eliteaz2385]

@@bogi4995 if you really think mileena is overly sexy you need to grow up

[@sour3000]

All I know is, a good, fitting soundtrack is really important in fighting games. If the music is lackluster, the whole experience suffers as a result.

[@ChrisRstep]

I agree and the past two MKs have had terrible music. No memorable tracks in them at all

[@experimento6262]

Well i enjoyed MKX even tho its soundtrack was trash.

[@sour3000]

@@experimento6262 would've been a better experience if the music was on point though.

[@vincentfalcone9218]

MvC2 suffers big time in this regard.

[@kusanarakeoto325]

@@vincentfalcone9218 not actually... mvc 2 have some memorable soundtrack

[@gogreengameon2146]

Max: "I'll give any fighting game a chance" Clay Fighter, SNES: Enters the room ⛄

[@terrysalt]

I'd happily watch him play Clayfighter if he posted his games on YT.

[@tidalofficial7215]

Helga mains rise up 2021 🤣

[@terrysalt]

I was really disappointed that Blue Suede Goo didn't return for any of the sequels.

[@tpatt513]

Bad Mr Frosty

[@BeyondEntertainment_]

Would love to see some ClayFlighter! 😁🔥

[@Shoyoumomo]

Good characters, sound design, art style and character options are definitely some things that make me love fighting games. FighterZ, Smash, Skullgirls and MVC are some good examples of this

[@TheMixedPlateFrequency]

I feel like Capcom v.s. SNK 2 also falls under that category of a great fighting game.

[@fp45]

melee is trash

[@ryanm.8720]

@@fp45 "Yeah, I’m a smash player. Along with that I know many things that most don’t know about these communities. Melee isn’t part of the actual smash community and I’m not saying that because I don’t like them. I’m saying that based off of years of research." - Saleem "Salem" Young

[@dragumkirisute1998]

@@fp45 your opinion m8

[@elmaionesosexo]

@@fp45 Melee its great, SM4SH its trash...and Ultimate kinda is too

[@tinybee7780]

Really loving these Max Talks. His insights on fighting games are always great to listen and understand. Thanks for helping people like me who know almost nothing about fighting games give these games a chance to try them out.

[@cruzmesa8079]

its really nice to see "real talk" back, i hope he brings back "boss rage" one day.

[@meathir4921]

Did you miss Fatalis?

[@Protosilver97]

He did with Sephiroth.

[@cruzmesa8079]

@@meathir4921 yeah, but i mean a boss rage of a fighting game.

[@cruzmesa8079]

@@Protosilver97 true but that was months ago

[@ultrayoshi100]

For me its how satisfying it feels to hit someone. Whether it's big damage or just a visual thing, the most important thing in fighting games has to be how fun is it to just press buttons and hit them

[@Tibazz]

I really like this aspect too, just recently picked up my old main Slayer in GGXrd. I mean hitting a good pilebunker counter hit combo is just mouthwatering ! And i don't even like that he is a vampire, i mostly like his movement options and the feel of his hits : )

[@landoncore92]

This is why Tekken is so addicting to me haha. All the zoom ins, slowdowns, big counter hit sparks, etc.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

I had that kind of satisfaction with Fight Night back in the PS2 days. As a big boxing fan, it was always nice to spank the opponent. But saved by Fight Night and some instances in MK, I don't have this "feeling" very often

[@GEEKFREAK02]

Tekken 7, KI, and Dbfz were my favorite fighting games from the last generation of consoles. Back then, I wasn't too big on fighting games until T7 released, that's when i started playing fighting games

[@CookiePrince52]

I'm glad that you were able to get into fighting games somewhat recently. The FGC is glad to have you on board! :)

[@gojochillmode839]

I absolutely love the fact that many people around the world have a different playstyle and pick and main certain characters because it either suits their playstyle or they just look cool, I also love when a game gives you so many options with each character that you yourself has to discover and master.

[@thetruej7872]

I love fighting games for lore, unique characters, and obviously gameplay.

[@adamquenano8563]

The Experience and self satisfaction from playing

[@sour3000]

@@1000Tomatoes I was about to say that. It's comically vague. 😂

[@LoneWolf81684]

The presentation. Particularly the artwork, lore, and the soundtrack. I feel like music makes up the majority of any video game, but especially fighting games.

[@uryenatienza4093]

I disagree, I definitely agree that strong art direction and consistency definitely makes something feel great to play, but I think mechanics and story (if game has story) and just overall substance still carry like 70% percent of any game ever. Notable exceptions being games where the visuals are a main-ish focus, but those games still usually have being a video game front and centre.

[@LoneWolf81684]

@@uryenatienza4093 Oh I agree with story being a big factor in games, it's just that I decided to leave that part out since most fighting games don't have much of a story lol

[@jigokuruler36]

for me it's the fact that i'm the one leveling up instead of the characters, to feel that i'm getting better at it feels great, it's my main reason to love fighting games, now within fighting games, the first things is mechanics, it doens't matter if it's crazy fast or slow combo heavy or not, as long as the mechanics are rich (for lack of a better term) that will make me play the game.

[@bloocrimson6628]

Tons of options, quick decisions, expressions of personalities, and charming characters? I hope Max could try kof 13 earlier when there are enough players make the net code not a big issue.

[@saadhasan2518]

I love King of Fighters games (Kof 13, Kof 11, Kof 2002 UM, Kof 98 & Kof 2000) for their options, decision making, cool combos and a great soundtrack.

[@saadhasan2518]

Plus I love Kof 13 played it alot on Xbox 360 and Steam.

[@Ronaldo-cj4zl]

My first was KOF 2000 then jumped to KOFXIII years after that... am still grindin it till today even tho I don't use HD mode, the drive cancel sytem with 2 bars is still top stuff for me

[@saadhasan2518]

@@Ronaldo-cj4zl I actually got really good at it even tho I was using an X360 pad.

[@icedcapplord710]

I think single player content is vastly overlooked in fighting games personally NetherRealm, ArcSys and Bandai Namco are like the only ones that give a shit as of recently imo

[@SH1NK1R01]

shocker they are the most successful

[@kingkobra4910]

They allow ass people like me to do something and not get absolutely smacked around.

[@mr.goblin6039]

They do a good mix of having a bit of something for everyone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, but it helps some casual fans get into the game better. I love playing the story modes, the single player campaign stuff, the towers and what not. I love that stuff. I may not be great at online, but these games give me cool stuff to do and get on my own, like costumes, artwork, lore and character interactions. I know FighterZ had a VERY repetitive story mode, but I enjoyed getting scenes of characters having conversations before matches depending on who is on your team and who you’re fighting. That stuff is enjoyable to me.

[@Clyzmic]

You sound like a person that buys a cod game for the story

[@Spicypuff]

Fighting games should have mission modes, arcade matches with branching paths with secrets bosses ect. Gundam extreme vs maxiboost on has this and it's great because it let's me play as my favorite mobile suits and just have fun. I want to be able to do that in more fighting games. There's is a huge untapped casual audience for fighting games and single player content is the perfect way to bridge that gap.

[@aClay1788]

I just want cool characters that have unique playstyles and dope combos... which is probably why I'm looking forward to KOFXV so much

[@KaminariHouse]

For me, it's always been the visuals and characters that gets me into a Fighting game, especially as a kid. What keeps me playing most is option-filled gameplay, a multitude game modes/content, and tbh nowadays lore. Great sound design/music also helps. As a creator myself now, I _love_ when a fighting game (or any game really) goes in on it's story like Guilty Gear. For example, I never really liked GGs Raven too much, until I read his lore a couple days ago. Now I think he's rad.

[@Dreggy990]

My friends used to laugh at me when I was getting into them because I kept on losing end would rematch a person whooping my but over and over. I told them I’m learning and they said the would get mad losing like that. Fighting games takes patience and is humbling in my opinion. No matter how much better o got there was always another who was better than me. Love fighting and the constant learning that goes with it

[@JotakuJo]

Same man, currently playing VF5 ultimate showdown and what gets me angry isnt losing, it's not knowing how to punish certain moved or beat a certain tactic. But that's what's fun when you find out and become better.

[@edmaldonado8207]

I second this. Playing online and getting beaten down constantly with rematch after rematch feels like you're going through your own personal shonen anime arc.

[@Dreggy990]

@@edmaldonado8207 lol cant wait for GG strive. climbing the towers i think will be fun. hopefully be in heaven one day

[@edmaldonado8207]

@@Dreggy990 im looking forward to it as well. lol Btw i just spent all morning playing Smash online. (Byleth main) Did really well against a couple of opponents and got the win. Then I faced a really good Young Link and was zoned out in every match. I've been in training mode with Young Link for the past couple of hours.

[@NxTLvLDrodeci]

I like characters with personality, a good story, variety of mechanics, good netcode, and just something thats sheer fun really

[@PR1ME98]

I just like the thrill of the fight itself. The outcome doesn’t matter. Everything thats in between the “FIGHT” and “KO” is what really matters.

[@the_exxtra1425]

Any game that can make just the act of fighting fun feels simple, yet is so hard to grasp. Just like anything else thats simple on the surface

[@gaelcuevas3612]

I've been working on the side with the concept for a fighting videogame. It really helps learning a bit from here and there about what the people find amazing in them. We'll see how it comes out in a future.

[@sureynotart]

As a wise man once said. "Fighting games are, something, so great."

[@orangeslash1667]

Fighting games are like sport games only edgier and more complex. How do I know this, SNK did made a few sports games in addition to their fighters.

[@sureynotart]

@@orangeslash1667 ? Yes, you are correct they are similar in the fact that they are both video games. Much like how RPGs are just racing games but more complex and edgier really...

[@orangeslash1667]

@@sureynotart No!!!!!!! Japan hate racing games and America had a very hard time getting into Rpgs so I don't think they're similar. Fighting games and sports games are similar because their both competitive and are well liked by both North and South America.

[@sureynotart]

@@orangeslash1667 The joke: _____________ Your head: O

[@orangeslash1667]

@@sureynotart OH COME ON do you have to be that harsh. Listen it's been comfrmed on Wiki that Fatal Fury charaters have a favorite sport, Terry's is basketball. My problem with your theory is that RPGs are intrinsic experiences where as racing and sports games are extrinsic experiences. Intrinsic and extrinsic are polar opposites, look it up for detail.

[@CheddarGetter]

SINGLE PLAYER CONTENT is so important! Especially to bring in the more casual folks. To KEEP those casual folks you need a broad roster and mechanics that allow for personal expression. Great netcode (rollback) is essential to retain players as well. Frequent updates keep players coming back. Even if they aren't going to play it every day, they'll at least check in after an update. Interactive tutorials to help ppl at least feel like they understand the game at more than a surface level. Those are my thoughts on what fighters need.

[@ClericalError87]

Love the use of Makoto's theme in the background.

[@jaychillins7574]

Honestly vastly different and interesting character identities are what initially draws me in, and then the mechanics themselves being well balanced, and allowing for a decent amount of outplay potential keeps me hooked. I'm also a sucker for fun and interesting combo structures and music that gets you in the mood to mess fellas up.

[@scottjameson5358]

As someone who's not into playing fighting games but I love to watch people play fighting games, it's definitely the characters backstory, the way that certain game has a unique gameplay mechanics that's only available in that certain game or series, and of course, how cool looking they are when they are doing combos.

[@devin5201]

I love it when a fighting game is easy and simple enough for me to actually pick up because I suck at fighting games.

[@WhoIsSirChasm]

The reason I struggle to stick with a lot of fighting games is because very few have a character that I like from both an aesthetic and gameplay perspective. I typically wouldn't see myself playing Birdie in Street Fighter V, but I love that stupid oaf to bits so I learned how to make him work with my habits and quirks. Conversely, while I like using Celica A. Mercury in BlazBlue, I don't get much out of her character so it's difficult for me to want to improve. Team games I go by a rule I remember you saying a few years back: one character's for aesthetic, one's for gameplay, and (if it's three-on-three) one's for both.

[@thelegalsystem]

My only metric is the round announcer's voice.

[@MagodoCaos1]

It may be odd, but I can hate a fighting game just because of the announcer. SF Zero3 is an example

[@sour3000]

@@MagodoCaos1 I loved that announcer!

[@Sjp2025]

Don’t get to catch streams very often but I love these real talk videos and always love seeing different peoples points of view on why they love what they love

[@knowngorilla8745]

The competitive aspect along with the thrill of getting a combo off in a match.

[@orangeslash1667]

Fighting game are like sports game only edgier and more complex. How do I know this, SNK did made a few sports games in addition to their fighters.

[@JELLO125]

What got me into new fighting game types like dbfz and guilty gear strive was seeing what you can do with the characters. Seeing people do crazy combos and the fast paced gameplay made my brain go, holy shit I want to learn how to do that

[@WikiHL]

This oughta be good. Long talks from Max are pretty enjoyable

[@otropuntodevista3760]

The combos and how they can make you feel powerful like when you see a fighter and tell yourself no matter how many prizes you have won, you have never fought against me.

[@Alfonso88279]

When a friend asked me why I liked fighting games so much two weeks ago, I told him that I did because I love to pass time with people but I am not too good with words. A fighting game is like an alphabet. Fighting is like speaking. It's a language. A form of complex personal interaction that we learn over time. As time passes, we get better at communication, we anticipate each other movements and we respond faster. It makes sense. I really love to communicate using fighting games. Each fighting games offers different ways to communicate and express yourself. It's so amazing.

[@furrybproductions]

😂😂😂 that's EXACTLY what REAL sparring is like!

[@RokushoTheRavager]

That's such a wholesome response 😄

[@Alfonso88279]

@Master Monkey Thanks, I know you are right. But I had bad cards from the start. I am asperger and I always feel uncomfortable trying to speak people in the face to face. I don't know if I should blink more or less, or smile more or less, I am all the time thinking if the other person is ok or feels uncomfortable, it's very stressing and tedious, and it never ends up well. In the long run at least. Fighting games are a more pure form of communication in my experience.

[@Alfonso88279]

@@RokushoTheRavager I used those words but in other language. In spanish it feels... longer...

[@danlong1288]

This video means a lot to me. I’m designing a fighting board game and trying to incorporate everything someone like Max would love and appreciate to offer a different sort of experience. Notes were taken!

[@neutral6941]

The characters & their moves & stories.

[@stefcannon2580]

For me, it’s probably the characters more than anything. I enjoy fighting games a lot, and have for many years, but I’m not great at the more technical aspects - even just cancelling! But when it comes to characters, I think that’s what sets most games apart and keeps me coming back. Favourite characters that are fun to play as and that you get to know and enjoy seeing with their unique abilities and personalities. 😊 Mind you, in a fighting game that was kind of early for me like Battle Arena Toshinden on PS1, it’s also other things like the style of the stages (having ring outs be a sheer drop) and the fireball effects which look so cool to me, especially when you can shoot them from very high up above, like Mondo can.

[@dcode1000]

Underrated factor/opinion, but soundtrack can make a huge impact on a fighting game. That’s why 3rd strike is my favorite fighting game I don’t think there’s another fighting game with a great soundtrack aside from tekken 5

[@clarencegutsy7309]

It's like you never touched an SNK game in your life.

[@Morrigan101]

Darkstalkers

[@dcode1000]

@@clarencegutsy7309 snk is up there but it’s really cvs series

[@The_Meev]

Guilty Gear. Just the entire series really.

[@furrybproductions]

I both lothe and love "Take You For A Ride" MvC2 😂😂😂

[@zatransis]

For me, fun mechanics are great and I like exploring that, but the thing that pulls me in is the great characters with a back story/personality that they bring with them into each match. That plus each player’s head canon are expressed through the mechanics and that alchemy creates such a pure 1 minute story. I can’t get enough of how effective that simplicity is. (Plus dope art)

[@MrSimon3059]

I always loved the little details that would be put in fighting games. For example in KOF 94, parts of King's clothes come off after you beat her lol. Other than that, good story and character interactions are a must.

[@stevengooding286]

Characters are the most important to me. I got into fighting games through Marvel Superheroes. The idea of pitting my favorite characters against each other hooked me.

[@kranbabushka7887]

So I feel like characters have always been the reason I want to start a game. With Guilty Gear especially I knew nothing about it and then a friend showed me axl and now Strive is my most anticipated game in a while. Mechanically I’m not the best so games that you can build a bear your combos is always appreciated to help me learn and get comfortable with the more advanced moves in the game. That’s a reason I love tekken and Eddie especially.

[@pfunk6945]

Max, it's beautiful hearing you talk about fighting games. That's passion.

[@KillianC1C2]

The first fighting game I ever played was Tekken 2 and one of the things that grew me was reading each characters story in the manual and seeing their ending cutscenes. Also being I grew up watching anime, first one being DBZ and loving Enter the Dragon, I just loved the idea of fighting game characters attending a tournament. As I got older and understand mechanics more and with the rise of online gaming, I grew to look for good netcode. But in general, I hope for a fighting game to give me cool characters with a possibly interesting back story. MK is amazing for this with it's story mode and I just hope devs in the future will consider better story modes just to give an extra amount of fun along with the base game.

[@Ryocryte]

Variety. I love to experiment and find what fits my playstyle perfectly.

[@rdcarbonk1885]

for me it is the rapid chess in place and mind domination going on.

[@exprominence4268]

I really resonated with what you said about combos and expressing yourself. it's funny that you chose that clip of us playing too

[@evendrag6302]

I have recently been getting heavily into XRD, and im learning something new about my characters every single day... Playing Sol or Ky or Raven, I feel like theres so much to the game in terms of variety, comboroutes and the neutral is very satisfying and fun. The game just fascinates me on so many levels its crazy, im thinking about the game when not playing it and wondering if i can this or that and so on. It also helps that its one of the most beautiful games out there, and its got hella good music. Probably the fighting game that has grabbed me the most since ive gotten into fighting games, and ill never stop playing it even after strive comes out which im also super stoked about!

[@mechanicat1934]

I'm super with max on the Decision Making part. Even though I hate combos, both of my favorite games are known for long combos: KOF and Guilty Gear. Part of that is that the combos in them make the neutral more complex and increase the decision making required because a move you do in neutral has more risk and value then just the move by itself. Playing the slower games it really feels like my brain just turns off sometimes, so I can't get into them the same way.

[@dekkono1579]

I personally really love DOA, the combos and gameplay feel so good especially since I grew up with DOA2-4, and I'm quite sad that it's pinned as the sexy fighter that no one takes seriously, and when they tried to go serious in DOA6, it completely flopped (Although them having a lack of content made it flop harder). The others don't really do it for me, like I love Mortal Kombat, but I can only play it for like a few hours, same other fighting games, except Injustice 2, which I constantly played. Hoping VF5US and KOFXV help me break my fighting game limbo where I can't really get into them anymore even though I love them.

[@kryzztfamily2535]

100% agree

[@aleflippy1997]

The thing is that Tecmo themselves are responsible for the mockeries thrown at Dead or Alive. Even if we forget for a moment that every girl is sexualized to shreds (many of them being barely legal btw) and that most males have a babyface, DoA is also guilty of very poor business practices (not only did Do16 only added two new characters, but a ton of DoA5's dlcs were yet again purchasable for Do6... not to mention the sheer amount of them) -We could also add a very weird and overconvuloted plot (but that's the case for a lot of fighting games) as well as pretty bland characters...Which again, doesn't help. As one of the only 3D franchises along with Tekken/Soulcalibur (maybe Virtua Fighter soon?), I really want to like DoA. And let's be honest : the games are always absolutely gorgeous and gameplay-wise, they're totally decent ! They don't have the level of realism of many martial artists from Tekken, but their moves are definitely fun to pull off. But the poor decisions and levels of "boob jiggle" are really preventing me from taking the franchise seriously.

[@arielm9847]

@@aleflippy1997 Many of them barely legal? You mean three of them? Marie Rose, Honoka and NiCO. That's "many" out of a roster of 31? And I guess I need to stop taking SC6 seriously since Tak, Ivy and most of the girls there also have boob jiggle. Welcome to the FGC and their double-standards.

[@aleflippy1997]

@@arielm9847 and welcome to the internet, where having nuances is unheard of. You can either like or hate something, no in-between. Just for your information though : I never said anywhere that you couldn't enjoy the franchise. So what's the fuss about pal?

[@arielm9847]

@@aleflippy1997 The fuss is the hyperbole regarding young characters (there's only 3, not "many") and the double-standards with the breast physics. If I limited myself to only taking FGs without breast physics seriously, I wouldn't be able to play very many fighters.

[@XernuhtZwei]

What always hooks me is the characters. What keeps me there is finding one thing I can do or have that never gets old. From the mere existence of certain characters like Ryougi in Melty Blood, Akatsuki in UNI/BBTAG, or Ragna and the Terumis in Blazblue, to certain moves like Vegeta Blue's command grab, the Rising Storm, or Cassandra's shield punch from her Angel Step, to mechanical things like movement and positioning in 3D fighters other than Tekken, or hurtling across the screen in airdashers, if there's something I can always have fun experiencing, I will always come back for some games.

[@Gailardia_Galan]

I have been WAITING for this!!! Much love Max!!!

[@neoken7356]

I love fighting games for the interesting characters and their designs, music, and mechanics. If a fighting game doesn’t have good characters and mechanics I’m not gonna like it that much. Some of my favorite fighting games are Skullgirls and Tekken 7

[@BeastyPaints]

For me its always been about the self expression through the characters you pick

[@featherpheasant3851]

I want to make video games, it’s my dream, I want make fighting games too, like Max it’s my favourite genre in the industry and I want to make a great wacky, fast and addictive fighting game, creativity is my passion. I can’t wait for my future which will hopefully arrive

[@dice9270]

Same here man, I hope we both make it 👍

[@realchezboi]

Same

[@kevingriffith6011]

Hey, why wait? Unity is (mostly) free and sprite sheets for *so many* fighting game characters are available online you can use for placeholder assets. (Disclaimer: Don't try to release a game using someone else's art. This advice is purely for building experience and creating a prototype.)

[@DavonAllen92]

no need to wait. Unity is free Unreal is free. Heck, you don't even need them. Make table top games, make card games, make mental games, make all kinds of games. focus on ideas and how it all comes together. learn how to take an idea and craft it into something your target audience will love. get good at that first then make friends and focus on a discipline that will help you achieve that goal. animation, ui/ux, 3d art, front end programming, backend network programming, just general development. Your passion and drive will be your way, I know you and @dice can do it.

[@featherpheasant3851]

@Sean Anderson Thank you so much, that really means a lot to me, many have said the same and I will hold on to it and no one will stop me. You’ve made my day even better, thank you

[@tysean0816]

Unique fighting styles get me hooked

[@aIkaIi]

Listening to these talks while drawing is great.

[@gishathosaurus6828]

The characters, basically... having them stand out from each other, that feeling of "this one really suits me" that comes and doesn't go away, no matter how shitty they nerf them and what not

[@Nuion]

it sounds like you describe Skullgirls, why dont you play it more? One character "Squiggly" can do like 2 resets a second and its nuts. You also mention speed and options, Skugs has so damn many, still new combos and routes are discovered after years.

[@Theyungcity23]

He also mentioned characters and none of that in Skullgirls seems to be his thing.

[@phsquared1000]

@@Theyungcity23 he ended up really liking Annie when he played her but too many games were coming out around the time so he never ended up coming back to it.

[@thomasnowatkowski9178]

probably what I like the most about fighting games is having a variety of characters that all play differently from each other.

[@bluasterisk]

I kinda left SFV after its first year at EVO, I'm considering getting back into it once I move to Japan. The original reason I stopped playing fight games after 7 years of SF4 was that I just stopped enjoying it and I didn't meet as many great people as I would have liked to. With a lot of hobbies I think its the people who bring value to it.

[@Dr.Faustus.]

Best its ever been. I did not like sfv at all in early patches. But this last one has made it way more edible

[@MaelstromTheDemon]

Characters, combos, and good online, easily. The feeling of satisfaction I get when I execute a hype-as-fuck combo, watching my opponent's healthbar just slowly disappear, it's what I live for in fighting games. Especially if I'm using a character I love and especially when playing against someone else.

[@Theyungcity23]

Animation and character design. The characters need to have fun and weird designs and they need to feel like they have weight behind their movements.

[@supermintsoda743]

One thing I think is often underrated is movement. I'm a huge fan of being able to control movement and position freely. If a game feels too rooted and pokey I have trouble getting into it even with great character designs. It's one of the reasons my pet peeve is games that use inputs involving directions like the common quarter-circle/back-forward specials, or holding back to block. We have enough buttons on the controller now to no longer need those.

[@haydenfisher1387]

For me it's more simple: Aesthetics/Music, Unique Characters, and Easy to get into but challenging to master gameplay Killer Instinct, Mortal Kombat, KOF, Battle for the Grid, and Guilty Gear check off most of those boxes for me :) (Also I still love the aesthetics and most characters in MK11, MKX is great too but I don't like the run/stamina inputs and how tight combos are to execute, but KOF essentially made me love figuring out what normals or specials cancel into each other)

[@orangeslash1667]

Fighting games are sports games only edgier and more complex. How do I know this every Fatal Fury character has a favorite sport, Terry's is basketball.

[@Pooltastik]

Games that present their complexity in layers. Yes, there are top-tier mechanics and strategies, but there’s also the foundation of “just press buttons and have fun”. Tekken, DOA, MVC, Smash etc

[@gameoverboon]

We just need capcom vs snk 3 (not counting chaos)

[@shinzantetsu]

O God please yes

[@eliezerlevergil]

I love that in this video what u love is the exact description of Guilty gear Rev 2, amazing characters to get attached to, insane fast paced decision making and ongoing mind games, player to player interaction both on offense and defense, constantly, movement in every direction, fun combos, expression per character is off the charts. Maybe it was just the netcode that got in your way? or maybe the entry level was tough because low to mid level ppl just run the set play they learned with their characters and u get bodied. but if you put time into it, the game really is just magical.

[@davideason5470]

Playing Street Fighter 3rd Strike Got Me Into All Fighting Games !

[@ReiDuran]

We need another Capcom vs. SNK 2. Everything about that game just spoke to me and I miss it so much.

[@orangeslash1667]

Fighting games are sports games only edgier and more complex. How do I know this every Fatal Fury character has a favorite sport, Terry's is basketball.

[@AlexZenigata]

Arcade mode, female characters with personality (like Juri), and that's that.

[@masterofdoom5000]

I like Smash Bros because of it's freedom of movement that feels very intentional, it's high decision density and the fact that smacking people really far is very satisfying. Getting into it is easy cos I know SOME of the characters at least and they're a lot of icons of gaming in part due to their strong visual designs. I like anything fighting game styled in general I reckon just out of a love of doing cool shit and living a moment I find entertaining, calling out an opponent and making the right call.

[@donaldhenderson7703]

What makes a fighting game great: Street fighter 3 third strike

[@M4TTYN]

not watering down for game!? *SFV.jpg intensifies*

[@jetstream_jimbo]

Accurate

[@donaldhenderson7703]

@@jetstream_jimbo completely accurate

[@donaldhenderson7703]

@@M4TTYN well to me SFV is one of the most broken street fighter games lol

[@ItzTayMan-_-]

@@donaldhenderson7703 I hope you're not talking about the balance when every SF game is more broken than Sfv lmao

[@altart8102]

I think having interesting characters is always going to be the biggest thing for me, but in addition I also love when a fighting game has quality music, character animations, and stages. I spent a lot of time just playing fighting games solo growing up since I didn't go to arcades or have friends over often, so having music I could vibe to accompanied with some visually engaging stages really kept me playing after having the initial interest in the character designs. And then of course having some sick character animations that helped bring the characters and the fight to life aided to that engagement.... that probably applies to more than just fighting games tbh. After that, then it's all the gameplay options, mechanics, and decision making that makes a fight extremely fun (or extremely un-fun depending on implementation) to play/watch. To an extent, those aspects sort of mesh into enjoying characters and their animations. When there's varied options and mechanics in the game, it leads to seeing more actions from a character during the course of a fight. Naturally, the player expresses the character through each action they're able to take. That leads to a flow of battle that's more overall visually enjoyable and engaging since more of the character is able to be shown/expressed via gameplay options. ...as opposed to seeing a 100 hit combo of the same 3 stale moves that the receiving character has no options to do anything about on a bland stagnant atmosphere-less stage... I'd download the ost tho if it hits. Granted that's just how I feel from thinking off the top of my head. If I took time to really consider all the parts of a fighting game, maybe there are some other things that are actually more important to me.

[@theotherjared9824]

MVC3 keeps being brought up by older FGC players as the last fighting game everyone can agree on being great. Games after that get more mixed. The older crowd is losing interest in new games while the newer crowd prefers the new games and want more. Times change, I guess. Change with the times or be forgotten.

[@CookiePrince52]

Personally, I have about equal amounts of fun with both old and new fighting games. UMVC3 is my favorite fighting game of all-time, and Street Fighter II will always be a classic. However, I also have lots of fun with Under Night In-Birth and BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle.

[@aegisreflector1239]

I know this is blasphemy but to me umvc3 is overrated, and mvci is a better more refined game overall gameplay wise. While i did like umvc3 i enjoyed game of its generation like Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Blazblue, Under Night,Guilty Gear Xrd, Kof 13, Dengeki Bunko Fighting KI, Tekken Tag2,Skullgirls and Persona 4 Arena. As well as games before its time like 2D sprite Guilty Gear, Mvc1 and 2, Capcom vs SNK 2 3rd Strike, Alpha games, Darkstalkers etc. As well as games after it like MvCi, DBFZ, Tekken 7, Million Arthur, GG Strive and SamSho for example to be overall better designed, more replay value and more enjoyable than then umvc3. I like the game its fun its good, but really overrated. I would say its at about the same rank with BBcross tag and power rangers(games i also have and like)

[@CookiePrince52]

@@aegisreflector1239 There's nothing wrong with preferring MVCI over UMVC3. We all have different opinions.

[@Cirrimus]

Hearing Max talk about MKX so fondly made me come to a realization-- why I never got into Mortal Kombat. I found it utterly unapproachable as someone that plays mostly Street Fighter. To enjoy it, I'd need to have a greater unconditional love for fighting games. There's an undeniable 'jank' in every fighting game and MK's brand of it is so unique it's a hard barrier to break for anyone but the most dedicated.

[@SilverAxe13]

I think it’s a combination of things for me: Interesting characters, lots of game modes, great music, plenty of unlockables, and of course it needs to be fun to play. My two favorite fighting games of all time are Smash Bros. Melee and Soul Calibur II, and they nail every single one of those categories.

[@marcusjohnson6974]

As someone who only had smash bros under their belt as fighting game experience, 6 months ago I had got BBTAG and DBFZ and playing those games made me realize how much I love just finding the weird things and combos a character can do I then taking it into matches. It makes me want to play way more fighting games too.

[@monkeyrockgodsr3gret]

I love fighting games that aren’t “juggle heavy”( except Tekken). Because they just seem to lean towards hey I got the first hit not let me juggle you for half your hit points and you can’t do nothing about.

[@coolswag4612]

That’s true never was a fan of marvel versus capcom lol

[@Manley410]

When you’re getting juggled/combo’d that is a great time to check both players resources and gauge how you move forward as you’re getting up. Sometimes realizing that you have a 20% life lead after getting hit is important because you can play like you have a lead. Getting hit allows us to take these few seconds to take all this in. If you’re just sitting there waiting for the combo to end, you aren’t playing the game correctly imo. The game doesn’t stop for the player getting combo’d

[@LoneWolf81684]

@@Manley410 Exactly.

[@lordxmugen]

@@Manley410 VS series with their ToD combos says "hi".

[@davidolivier1983]

What catches me in a fighting game and will make me follow the saga, is the characters, the background story and the ambiance. That's what made the difference between MK1 and SF2. Mortal Kombat since the 1st episode, tried to create a world and a deep background for each characters. KOF did the same thing. That's why I've always been a big fan of these 2 sagas.

[@ankd956]

My favourite part of fighting games is the character designs, music and defensive options, i love killer instinct and its combo breaker/counter breaker mechanic, and thats why i dont like MVC and Power Rangers that much

[@JosephBrown]

fighting games give me the greatest feeling of personal growth cause I'm not playing with a team no one to hold accountable for a loss but me so when I win or learn something new, hard or overcome a unfavorable match up I feel satisfied with my growth as a player this feeling is what fuels my love of the genre.

[@yung_wise5861]

Fast paced, expressive, and stylish. I don't feel I have to mention fun lol. Started on SF4 and it wasn't my taste. Then I got UMVC3 and I fell in love with fighting games. I'm not great but damn these games are too much fun even if I get my ass beat.

[@buddhistandthemoney1]

THE MUSIC!! When the soundtrack goes off right at the best time in the round is something else. Third strike did this the best with the best fighting game soundtrack in my opinion.

[@Logic1611]

@Maximilian Dood can you use your influence to start a petition to bring back Marvel versus Capcom 2 with bug fixes? Or even contact your friends in the industry to let them know we want it back? Asking for a friend.

[@AdachiCabbage]

If I had money I would legit fund a Marvel vs Capcom 4 that's 2D like 2 and has X in it along with other Marvel heroes but that's a pipe dream

[@gizzad]

Hi, I'm Maximilian's friend, I'll let him know that I'm asking for a fan who's asking for a friend cause I'm friends with Max so I'll be the friend for your friend.

[@Logic1611]

@@gizzad thank you brother I appreciate it. Together we can make this happen.

[@gonzalotorres5282]

@@Logic1611 Yeah, I want the four gods of MvC2 toned down, or give more tools to the low tiers to make a difference (Messatsu Gou Rasen is Godlike in SF3, but useless in MvC2)

[@macehest6000]

My first fighting game love was Marvel 3... like 2 years after infinite came out. Just messing around in training mode, doing all of these super basic Dante combos, going though arcade mode and figuring out concepts like hit-confirming all on my own. It awakened something in me. The second game was Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2. I spent so much time in training mode, doing Johnny and Sin combos, and learning set ups that to this day I have never used on anyone because I never had anyone to play with. I think the thing that makes a fighting game great is just the ability to go into the lab for hours and just be finding cool stuff. Freedom to express yourself with your play style.

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Unga bunga is what makes a fighting game great.

[@MoMagnus93]

Yes

[@sideshowkrill]

Ooga booga makes a game excellent

[@patrickbone5993]

Characters are what really grab and hold me in fighting games. I love being Cap and throwing the shield, or throwing haymakers with Winter Soldier. I stay in for the moves. I love seeing the characters looking cool doing their badass moves.

[@johnonyango3166]

Creative combo routes/situations and a charming roster of characters. I tried to get into Skullgirls and Arcana Heart but can only play them for a little while cause the characters don't grab me as much as other fighting games. I.e Blazblue or Tekken.

[@richardo490]

So you like grabs?

[@Aripuni1]

@john onyango ahh.. i see you want freedom, Complicated to do stuff in fighting game and charming character for me is Blazblue and GG

[@johnonyango3166]

@@richardo490 Hehe not where I was headed with my statement.

[@johnonyango3166]

@@Aripuni1 yeah most of the time.

[@alicekingston8521]

I am very much a character person. I love that fighting game characters can express so much about who they are with simple things like idle animations, taunts, how they animate when they attack, etc. These are things that are pretty minor, but they tend to play a huge roll in showing what a character is like with showing, rather than telling. You get insight into this character through their actions, not them talking about themselves, or some omnipresent narrator doing something similar. I feel good fighting games typically have very motivated characters that are actively involved in the story, not just passively being pushed around by the plot, and that is key component for good story telling too. Some of my favorite characters in fiction tend to be fighting characters, but to be fair, a lot of them can also be 2 dimensional or very flat, but they can still be entertaining and interesting at least. I am also on the other end with Max. I like slower based fighting games that test your nerves. That's why SamSho has become one of my faves. It's a very tense standoff, and if you guess wrong, or whiff an attack, you're gonna get punished, and its gonna HURT. One could argue that it's still decision making, but the consequences have HUGE payoffs. I also dig a fighting game that puts effort into its narrative. I know fighting games are mocked for having dumb stories (and a lot of them are pretty meh at best), but if they put some time and effort into a fighting game narrative, that really does it for me. Soulcalibur is my favorite fighting franchise of all time, and while it's Tale of Souls and Swords Eternally Retold can get dumb, wacky, or obtuse I love how bombastic and bigger than life it feels at times.

[@Salty-Josh]

Why i think fighting games are great: You challenge yourself. It has arcade modes if there's no story mode. In fighting games they have cool looks and sometimes good backstory's. Not all fighting games are the same they're unique in they're own way. You feel satisfied when you beat a final boss especially SNK bosses. You can go on playing fighting games because of the arcade modes because you want to get a higher score and get better. The gameplay must be good. A decent roster.

[@dalodulo1373]

The two things that snag me the hardest for a fighting game is characters and comboes. If a game has sick comboes and aesthetically pleasing characters I will give it a shot. But the more I play and learn the more I begin to appreciate the little things like tactics, frame data, etc. Heck in some ways fighting games have helped improve my eye sight.

[@AdachiCabbage]

1:01 Want to add on that it depends on your age and genetics. Daigo is in his 30s damn near 40s and has been playing forever. But some people who have been playing as long as he has, their hands are screwed, they can't play on his level no matter how much they grind because they can't (physically) grind. And your spatial skills also go down when you age (especially with women.) That's why you never see a woman in the final tournaments and it's almost 100% men.

[@houssamk777]

Lmao Idk why you include woman in your comment, most female don't have interest in fighting games, and idk if you have biology degree or something but I'm pretty sure YUYU Is a old female with children still kicking it at the highest level

[@11shoopdawhoop]

Right now I really love having a level of expertise in a fighting game that allows for making any sort of decision making that comes after the "basics". It's a very general appeal and possible in most, if not all fighting games. However, when you don't have to think about the (for example) 'when to defend and attack' you can think about more specific reaction and answers to opponent behaviour. For executing on that sort of decision making always makes for the coolest experiences in a fighting game.

[@monster25man]

here's another thing if this is what he wants in a fighting game why doesn't he play more Skullgirls? I definitely want a "Hype Check" on that one

[@fraudhoward1409]

because there are too many games to play

[@orlanzo2621]

Because "characters" are one of his stipulations and he doesn't like any of the characters in Skullgirls.

[@yeahboyz9314]

He likes valentine but he hate her gameplay