Embrace YOUR DREAMS | MAX PLAYS: Crisis Core - FF7 Reunion (Part 5 - Ending)

[@REChronic54]

Whoever thought of the idea to seamlessly transition from Aerith praying to the close up of Zack’s eyes as he lay there dying deserves a raise. Cuz that’s one of those memorable final fantasy moments.

[@juubi249]

Whoever thought of it deserves to be punished because OW MY HEART

[@MiniatureMorpheus]

It was worse emotionally on the psp. The screen would crack more and more as the fight went on as well.

[@raylink283]

Damn real shitty Max had to mute simple and clean in the end.

[@vulken9243]

Yes, it felt like they were able to see each other through the sky..

[@ChrisCarrasquillo]

Cloud: "I won't forget" Also Cloud: **forgets immediately**

[@misterfevillord1588]

Well, in a way, he is remembering too much

[@PedroStrife]

The power of Jenova Cell

[@Frozbroz]

I mean he didn’t really forget he basically thinks he is Zack now

[@rnkkhv]

@@Frozbroz He didn't think he was Zack, he always thought he was Cloud. Zack he had forgotten, because that contradicted the action switch. He inserted himself where Zack was.

[@justadude7598]

@@well-dressedbaldguy2242 How is that even scientifically possible tbh

[@sbfh014]

Ngl, no matter how many times I rewatch that ending, I always get teary eyed, rip

[@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews]

sniffle sniffle.........WAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!........boohoo!!!!!!!!!!......sniffle.....sniffle.......that was hard to watch

[@FernandoPerez-zx2vz]

You won't ressist the end of FFVII Part 3 when it comes out 😂

[@fvwp]

Dude you beat me to the same exact comment I was going to make lol watching Zack go out like that was harsh. A FF character who's pure like a KH character

[@matthewpletsch7523]

I'm not crying, you're crying.

[@jeromefeliciano4611]

@@FernandoPerez-zx2vz it may even be at rebirth since there are still a lot of things that can happen after that event…

[@PierceArner]

In the final battle, when the slots for Angeal, Cloud, & Aerith trigger, Aerith is in her prayer pose that the DMW uses - but when it fades out in the VERY end, she's in the pose Zack first saw her in when he opened his eyes in the church. Secret box contents were _perfect._

[@michaeldearie5266]

Wow I never put that together, great detail!! And I definitely could have used the box contents, I never played the PSP version as a kid but I can only image how absolutely devastating this ending would be to 13-year-old me.

[@dablazingbryan5559]

@@michaeldearie52662nd game to ever make me cry. First was FFX, and the next was Lee in TWD

[@NoctLightCloud]

​@@dablazingbryan5559and the KH2 ending. After playing that whole game that is KH2, its ending hits right in the feel-good spot of one's heart❤

[@dixienormus2802]

Love how powerful Zack is and how you can tell Max is pulling all the stops to try and win that final fight, hoping to prevent the inevitable.

[@Kimuraminato]

We all tried at one moment, i remember being fightning like half hour

[@8Phoenix8]

They should have had an alternate ending. :(

[@imran19187]

For me, I didn’t ‘die’, my screen just went to black and I saw the cutscene of zack all screwed up

[@Noki_Kelevra]

@@imran19187 Same, I kept nuking everything with Quake and Electrocute at like 190 MAG. The screen just faded out at some point.

[@Noki_Kelevra]

@TroubadorPoet Pretty sure one of the reasons they didn't integrate Reunion into the Remake canon was that a comparatively low amount of players even played the OG Crisis Core and they wanted to give the community the chance to partake of the original experience, as it were. Even though I was still expecting a Healing Wave until the final fade to white...

[@cloudxz92]

That "Helloooo" from Aerith. Man it's hard not to drop a tear for me when i hear that. Briana White as Aerith is absolut amazing.

[@genesisramos4791]

"Would you say that I became a hero?" You're more than just a hero, Zack. You're a freaking legend, a legend among men. Salute!

[@novachikun]

The amount of damage those helicopter missiles were doing was modified from the original PSP version. For CC Reunion they apparently made them do a percentage of your current or max HP, because in the PSP version you could extend that final battle a whole lot longer due to nothing being able to hurt you. This time around the devs were clearly taking into account how powerful you could be after doing the side missions.

[@PeanutButterAndJellyBros]

Cloud: my name is Cloud. Soldier First Class Max: Very nice. You Liar!

[@cloudstruck2785]

Again, and I blame Max here because he should know better - Cloud wasn't intentionally lying and I hate how he made it appear that way. Cloud's mind was totally f**ked up as a result of the experimentation for 4 yrs on him and the trauma of seeing the people he loved die i.e. Zack, his mom, Tifa badly injured and his hometown burnt to the ground. Perhaps it was meant as a joke, as I thought Max really liked Cloud, but imo this is why Cloud's character is often misinterpreted when 'influential people' like Max makes remarks like that and people believe it.

[@unableunknown8437]

​@@cloudstruck2785 it's a joke mate.

[@adrianschaeuffler7513]

​@@cloudstruck2785Taking the joke way too seriously mate. Anyone who's played FF7 knows all of that

[@4Shaman]

@@cloudstruck2785it’s a joke after a stream of the entire game

[@zachataxxii7126]

I feel like regardless of how you feel about this game, the finale is still one of the best moments in all of Final Fantasy 2:24:28 This was great lol

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

Probably because despite the flaws with the story we get to know Zack and he becomes our friend only for us to see his life unfairly snuffed out.

[@ThreshAllden]

Nah

[@zachataxxii7126]

@@demi-fiendoftime3825 Also helps that Zack feels & acts less like he came from an insane anime soap opera and more like a real person, and his VAs really sell how he's just as baffled about the crazy shit going on as someone should be (I still prefer Rick Gomez, but Caleb Pierce had his good moments too) I keep forgetting since I still wouldn't say this is one of favorite entries, but Zack is up there as one of my favorite FF protags and almost carries this game honestly

[@datara2]

Nah for me FFXIV surpassed anything FFVII related now. Still pretty damn strong.

[@zueszues9715]

Becuz bad point is more annoying Than deal beaker That why if you take it as a meme you pretty much had a good time PS.just like movie "the room" so bad but people love it

[@jonathanabgrall6075]

Cissnei is never even mentioned again in the compilation, we don't learn her real name, even in the short stories that focus on the Turks. She's not Elena. Hope they change that in Rebirth, she's an interesting character.

[@boozeman4749]

She is Shuriken in Before Crisis.

[@rudeus2222]

I want to see her so bad in Rebirth. She does secretly had a crush on Zack, maybe that troupe can be carry on in Rebirth on Zack's side of the story.

[@mr.awesome6011]

She likely quit working for Shinra altogether not long after she helped Zack and Cloud evade their pursuit. She did care about Zack, and the situation he was in on top of all of Shinra's dirty deeds probably made her change her mind about wanting to work with them. Hence, Elena taking her place in FF7.

[@flimermithrandir]

@@mr.awesome6011 Nice Theorie. I like that and go with it until i learn otherwise. I know its not cannon but i can see that as well.

[@chelseyandjonathonstarmer6266]

100% Cissnei will be in Rebirth. Because she needs to be in that game for Zack. These Remakes have new characters, new moments, new events will transpire. Goals are the same stop Sephiroth. But how we all and if we all get there will be different. Who comes along will be different.

[@biancaarmstrong5097]

The ending still hits us hard to this day. So much passion and emotion was put into this giving us a reminder that Zack is indeed a true hero.

[@zacatkinson3926]

he's the best FF character

[@bukojoetheslapsoils8273]

@@zacatkinson3926 He's a great character but definitely far from being the best. He's pretty one-dimensional.

[@Saylor916]

their is a secret ending

[@mr.awesome6011]

@Zac Atkinson He's a one dimensional character in a world full of characters with too many dimensions. It makes him stand out more than you think.

[@jonesygrets6029]

Cloud is way better than zack

[@Johnichu11]

The voice actor for Cloud nailed it in this game and the scream at the end always gets me tear up because I've lost so much in my life and that scream is so powerful, it's like the sound of my broken heart. I know what it is like to lose your best friend who pass on the other side.

[@daanitheestallion]

Cloud's scream at the end is soo much better, the new VA did an amazing job

[@darthcerebus]

That was actually the original cutscene from the OG Crisis Core, it wasn't part of the remake aside from being present in it.

[@daanitheestallion]

@@darthcerebus it was the same cutscene but with new voice actors (the ones from Remake)

[@justsomeguywithabeerglass3993]

Yeah, the voice actor really improved after the remake.

[@Noki_Kelevra]

Yeah, I didn't really like Cody Christian's voice acting in the Remake because at some points he just sounds hilariously pissed off at nothing ("You owe me a pizza!"), but he really nailed it in CC.

[@jankaveron]

@@Noki_Kelevra That "you owe me a pizza line" is Cloud trying to be empathetic and pretty much failing.

[@joshbendix6102]

The last line asking if he became a hero just kills me. Had my eyes welling up so much. It really has me excited to find out what they end up doing with zack in the remake. He may be my favorite character over cloud after beating the game, zack was just such a good hearted dude and got done so dirty just for trying to do the right things.

[@user-um1yl9pj1b]

What makes it even sadder is he was so close to Midgar like it's right there......fucked up.

[@AYAKXSHI]

No good deed goes unpunished

[@dobrozner7784]

And not only that, he managed to surpass pretty much everyone in the FF7 universe in strength and skill, aside from Sephiroth, without becoming a monster. Cloud needed friends, and there's nothing wrong with that at all, but Zack fought alone and found his own strength.

[@treytavares1727]

@@dobrozner7784 Zack was a god by the end of crisis core. Had cloud got his genji gear and Heike soul and learned how to dodge roll, sephiroth would've been fucked.

[@cloudstruck2785]

@@dobrozner7784 Yep that's why Cloud at only 16yrs old manages to defeat Sephiroth - something nobody else has managed. Also in FF7 r he takes on many tough bosses on his own e.g. Rufus, Reno etc. As the writer of FF7 once remarked - Cloud had immeasurable potential . This young boy had everything taken from him literally, even 5 yrs of his life in Hojo's lab so he never had a chance to develop in his teenage years and this is why he's so socially awkward, Nomura who wrote FF7 also remarked on this and despite this, he still ends up the hero!!! Imo Cloud and Zack are both heroes!

[@shigerufan1]

02:08:34 You start Rebirth as Zach and are immediately met with 88 mail notifications from 3-7 years ago.

[@ecillariverie8496]

Zack, u stupid, I scanned everything since you don’t wanna visit me. Have at it. -Tseng

[@jacquespaught]

I mean... You were half right.

[@hairyson94]

Shockingly half right

[@Jose-se9pu]

That gag they did with the "surprise" in the box was hilarious

[@Yddor1]

If in Rebirth or the 3rd one Zack shows up alive, it's because that one did all the side missions.

[@wachumeqimeqi]

Rebirth is here.

[@Kiddo_williams]

This ending will always make me cry. Zack is one of the greatest characters in gaming.

[@zacatkinson3926]

Yes

[@gastheweebs]

🤣

[@BludhavenKnights]

Max. You missed out on the secret alternate ending where Zack makes it. You have to get the chocobo hat that sets all your stats to 1 million. My uncle told me... he works at Nintendo.

[@-Siculus-Hort-]

i have seen bowser in a secret room. i know because i was a developer.

[@AnjektusStudio]

Yes a Nintendo worker have inside information of a PlayStation game.

[@Jo_Jenk]

@@AnjektusStudio it’s on Nintendo switch as well….

[@AnjektusStudio]

@@Jo_Jenk Sorry. I was trying to be funny. But somr of the text didn't get up here. And to hungry now to fix it

[@MrJoshStarlight]

Gotta say, using “The Tomorrow With You” from Xenoblade Chronicles 2 as the replacement song at the end was a good choice!

[@Countdownsmiles]

1:14:26 Zack and Cloud don't degrade because they aren't project g soldiers, it has nothing to do with Sephiroth's cells after they were experimented on. Only the project g soldiers degrade

[@sanddry738]

While some of the Voice Acting is questionable at times (the awkward dialogue doesn’t help) overall this game seems phenomenal in bringing the PSP game’s story back to a modern era. Gotta love that gift at the end lol

[@mas8705]

The road to rebirth starts with Max getting sent a handkerchief to wipe away those tears. Damn that's actually as funny as it is sad. It is a sad ending, but they expected you to start whaling and thus they preemptively send you something for the tears. brilliant.

[@gastheweebs]

😴

[@emerby83]

Maybe since he hoped it would be connected to Remake/ Rebirth, they figured he could wipe away the sadness with a schmancy, embroidered handkerchief 😂

[@ConnorKrohnicles]

Cloud’s final “I won’t forget” was the most heart wrenching thing I’ve ever heard

[@janoswozniak]

I swear every time that last line “would you say I became a hero?” is spoken I just start bawling

[@YoctoYotta]

I love seeing so many commenting with the assumption that Max is crying at the end of this playthrough due to the handkerchief in the thumbnail. LOL, GG, Max.

[@artten5002]

It's always funny seeing people not reaching the handkerchief part and comment their personal experience with the ending

[@everlastingbeats]

Genesis: “knock, knock” Zack: “whose there?” Genesis: “The gift of the goddess”

[@YonkoDGoofy]

That goddamn ending gets me everytime..RiP to the legend. Max was trying so hard to delay what we all knew was coming..😭😭

[@justwantingtomakepeoplesmile]

2:21:14 “Tomorrow with you” from xenoblade chronicles 2 btw. Still. This scene always makes me cry. Zack you are a true hero that inspires many.

[@KilleRoy_NL]

Omg I'm so glad I wasn't the only one that noticed, the second the melody clicked I was like NOOO NOT LIKE THIS 😭😂, excellent choice and it actually fit the scene really well, it's cool

[@TronicSpeed]

I can't believe how well this song fits. I love being a Xenoblade fan.

[@Art.Wolfaryon]

Did Max ever figure out that Lazard is also Shinra's son and Rufus half brother? it really hidden, but its info that i thought really important because it explains why he was working against Shinra.

[@Rexaura888]

I guess it’s just natural for Shinra’s family to hate him, the difference being that Rufus wanted his old man dead so he could be president while Lazard was working to actively undermine the president and his company from the inside (wonder if Lazard ever knew about Rufus conspiring with Avalanche to kill Shinra beforehand and saw how poorly that turned out).

[@1stclassdork578]

I dont believe he ever does, a lot of the subtle lore drops CC does with missions etc. does seem to have gone over Max's head

[@VideoStalker00]

It's so hidden that a lot of ppl probably didn't notice. I picked up around my second play-through and even then I wasn't 100% sure if that was true.

[@The_winds_of_change]

Pretty sure square came out and said the reason cissnei had the "not by real name" line was because they tried to directly connect this game to before crisis, and in that game the player decides on what to call her, alluding to all the turk names in canon actually being proxy names to protect their real identities, which, given the nature of their jobs, makes sense I guess

[@PathFinder1490]

1:57:28 the timing of that donation was perfect! What a playthrough and walk down memory lane this has been. 👏

[@samrobotsin]

That ending....i was half expecting Zack to high-five Jecht

[@8Phoenix8]

😄 🤣 😂 broooo the memories. 😀

[@lol123apple]

Having played this on PSP many years ago before ever touching FF7, I wonder if what I feel for this game is what I see so many especially with the remakes feel that FF7 is to them

[@grimhellscythe6998]

Id say yes. Even though i experienced this series ass backwards. I will always love Zack and Aerith's interactions. And will always feel heartbroken seeing Zack give it all to protect Cloud and end up dying. This is part of where i realized how much the world of FF7 meant to me

[@OfficialDjTalksick]

I wish they updated the ending so that we could have world records for how long you can keep zack alive in the final battle

[@SmaugUKA]

If they make CC DLC that is in line with Remake, then that Battle could easily be brought back as the beginning of Zach's new story where instead it never cuts to black and you do defeat all the forces against you.

[@darthcerebus]

Or, you know, put in the ending from REMAKE in it, the entire point of remaking it was essentially for in the first place.

[@SmaugUKA]

@@darthcerebus It would make more sense for anything that has Zack being alive and differing from the original Timeline/story being something separate. Not everyone has played Crisis Core before, so they had little to no idea of who this black haired dude who looks like Cloud is nor that he actually died outside of some visions and small dialogue within Remake up until the reveal. Because of that, having Reunion change up Crisis Core at all in regards to sorry would only confuse many players. Give people time to digest Crisis Core as it is, and then bring in your DLC that ties into the Ending of Remake. Have the DLC either start right off at the battle that Zack originally dies in (giving clues perhaps through changes in the DMV first) or right before the battle to see little changes due to someone's manipulation. This battle could also include the Plot Ghosts where Zack has to fight them too. Defeating them and the forces against him both would tie in and make sense within how Remake went about things, and then promptly remove the Plot Ghosts in one go. Zack defeated his fate and the Ghosts are gone again.

[@dobrozner7784]

@@darthcerebus I think the entire point is that FF7 Remake is a sequel to the original FF7 that takes place after Advent Children, with Sephiroth somehow trying to change the timeline. So Crisis Core would still have the same ending, being a prequel to FF7. So I think it would be Before Crisis > Crisis Core > FF7 > On the Way to a Smile > Advent Children > Dirge of Cerberus > FF7 Remake.

[@IzraelGraves]

@@dobrozner7784 Not a bad theory, but I think its a "Trunks' Time Machine" situation. Sephiroth went back in time, but because changing things can't actually happen, he split the timeline into two. So we've got two realities; the spirits in Remake were trying to hold it together for some unknown reason (split timeline must be bad somehow) but he used Cloud and friends to kill them, freeing him to continue creating a separate timeline. First timeline still happened, but also there's this parallel one now.

[@yagamifire7861]

Zack is my fav FF protag and I love this game. Always have. One of the best endings in any game.

[@grapespace]

Cloud’s scream at the end is so good.

[@everlastingbeats]

Yep good roar!🦁

[@EliseoBeltran]

Agreed but the JP version is so much better

[@gastheweebs]

🤓

[@Ether101_Prime]

Cissnei's real name being left a mystery is most likely do to her being one of the player Turks form Before Crisis who's names are left to the player to decided.

[@RemedyOnWii]

I know nico edited this because the music in the end is from xenoblade

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

Every time I finish this game it turns me into a bawling mess

[@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews]

dem tears be flowing baby dey be coming out dem eye sockets like a mfer day shit got me salty af salty as fuck for real realy talk bro couldnt handle all dat shit got me all up in dem feels and shit

[@karmakaze87]

Same 😭

[@FaeroN]

I can't watch this ending without tearing up, it's so god damn well made.

[@LagunaLeonhart]

2:24:30 Max opens the box! You had me smiling at the end of a rough day with that one lol. Thanks Max, Godspeed

[@iizc123]

One thing you didn't notice was Clouds eyes in the after credits scene. For some reason they are normal blue, not mako green. 2:34:56

[@Emily-fm1xe]

Using xbc2's tomorrow with you for the ending scene music is such an extra knife twist, editor how dare you 🥺

[@Potato-pf2qs]

Angeal: How was it, being alive Zack: You really want to know, well…

[@gmaster2647]

I know right. I feel like it's a bit ironic too given that Max doesn't ever want to touch those games.

[@rgilX13]

I scrolled for this comment alone. Finally, someone with Xenoblade appreciation!

[@Kimuraminato]

What happens with Genesis is the opposite of what people think When he got beated by Zack, he can only see the lifestream because he was going to die (therefore dissolving into thw lifestream) but since Minerva decided that Genesis had work to do as protector of the planet she dump him out of the lifestream to keep him alive

[@vincentlo8693]

Minerva just didn’t want to hear Genesis recite any more poetry so she yeeted him out.

[@IzraelGraves]

@@vincentlo8693 This is my canon.

[@Jeremillion]

The Tomorrow With You is the name of the song max is using towards the end. It's from Xenoblade Chronicles 2!

[@Arashi257]

Sucks that part of the ending audio was muted, would've liked to hear what Max was saying during it.

[@SmaugUKA]

If anyone is able to tell us what Max was saying there, we'd grateful.

[@blountman747]

Man still no update

[@SuperQueenV.]

That's what I thought. LAME

[@VideoStalker00]

I think maybe we need to find the actual stream footage on Twitch to find out

[@Arashi257]

@@VideoStalker00 It's muted there, though I don't know why I assumed it wouldn't be muted here as well.

[@brittany1875]

After replaying this game I almost feel like Sephiroth was mocking Cloud with Zack in FF7 Remake. After the bombing mission and we Sephiroth he holds his left hand out and we see a close up like Cloud does to Zack here. He also tells him that he has to live like Zack telling him he is his living legacy. That might just be me though. *Thank you guys for the comments. I know it was Sephiroth mocking Cloud about his mom. It was just after playing Crisis Core and then replaying FF7R it made me think of it. Its why I said almost in there.

[@MasterJennaMcLain]

Yo. What? ...I gotta watch FF7R again.

[@Tahu33446]

I wonder if in some way sephiroth ever respected zack

[@DevilHunter1994]

I don't think he was mocking Zack there. I forget where exactly this was stated, but I think Sephiroth is supposed to be quoting Cloud's mother's last words. She was basically begging Sephiroth to spare her son as he was running her through with his sword, and Cloud helplessly watched all of this. So the scene in chapter 2 was basically Sephiroth going. "Hey...remember that time I murdered your mom right in front of you? Ah...good times. 😈" Cloud doesn't remember anything about Zack in Remake, so even if Sephiroth tried to taunt him about Zack's death, Cloud wouldn't be able to react. The Jenova Cells would block out any memory of Zack's final moments.

[@2052brad]

“Run Away. You have to leave, you have to live” These are actually Cloud’s moms dying words. It’s Sephiroth taunting him.

[@metal-rpg8306]

You Crisis core nerds love reaching so much. lol that was Sephiroth mocking Cloud about killing his mother, and saying her last words before killing her. Stop inserting Zack where he doesn’t belong. The Crisis core fan base are so cringe.

[@KaraMooMoo]

The answer to the Zack's question is yes.

[@MariusBoss11458]

Always is

[@ClayRoks]

I had just finished the game today myself. When genesis spoke up near the end that also gave me a jump.

[@mellomoose_]

all he wanted was to see his girl, rip.

[@Jo_Jenk]

That’s what I’m sayin

[@shadiwon]

This ending was def a tear jerker, I am so HYPED for rebirth.........ZACK IS ALIVE!. So excited to see where the story goes know one knows what's going to happen and that is so god damn exciting!

[@jonesygrets6029]

He’s dead

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

@@jonesygrets6029 Devs said he’s alive 🙄 it’s in the remake Ultimania

[@jonesygrets6029]

@@sakuracardcaptor4709 not in my brain I’ll just stick too 7’s story Zack dying is the whole point of clouds story.if Zack doesn’t die It basically makes og 7 story redundant. And that story is what makes that game special . Not this kingdom hearts bullshit

[@jonnyj.]

@@jonesygrets6029 Guess what buddy. The original ff7 still exists. Go play it on the ps1. For the rest of us, hes very clearly alive in the remake. Dont like it? Too bad. Your brain isnt the story ;)

[@jonesygrets6029]

@@jonnyj. cool story bro Enjoy your bullshit fan fiction

[@Rexaura888]

58:00 I love how much of a presence Jirard commands in other peoples’ streams. It’s always a joy to suddenly hear his name come up, especially when there’s no visible chat in the VOD so you can’t see him coming.

[@famguy292]

Watching this after Max finished his Rebirth playthrough. Wondering if the point of Crisis Core Reunion was more than just talking about Zack. I think it was also to tell us more about Cloud and what is happening to him. The game has two things that I think are important. First, Modeoheim is where Zack first meets Cloud and gets the Buster Sword. It’s close to Icicle Area so I think this place could show up again. Secondly, the DMW is more than a mechanic. It deals with emotions and memories. There are scenes in the DMW that are not seen anywhere else except through the DMW. In Remake and Rebirth, Cloud often sees visions of things that happened, will happen, or did not happen in the original game. Cloud is experiencing DMW but because his mind is so fragile he is overwhelmed by the experience every time it happens. Additional prediction: Sephiroth has a black wing on his right side. Genesis has a black wing on his left side. Angeal has TWO white wings on his right side… but who has the left wing? I think Cloud and Zack will each get a left wing in Remake part 3 (OR) one of them will get both left wings. /remind me 3 years

[@thesocialmediagame]

Interesting POV. I would incline to this theory you have, but funny enough, I'm not sure why Max trashed Genesis' obsession with Loveless all the way, if he is trying to deceive us because he knows its importance or truly hates it, lol, but that play seems to be like the ultimate guide to know what is happening and what will happen at the end of the series. One of the reasons why the last chapter is missing or... it is been written as the series goes on? Writers are going a lil' bit meta with all this, that's for sure. One thing to notice is that Loveless only talks about 3 heroes or children that are there to fulfill the goddess' desire, which so far seems to be these 3 children, Angeal, Genesis and Sephiroth, but it also could be about Zack, Cloud and Sephiroth. The shift point is, who's really the goddess we've been talking about, Aerith or Jenova? That being said, I think the whole plot spins around these 3 children and the choices they make, more than making pairs of their wings they have. STILL... I will remember your comment 3 years from now, because you might be onto something.

[@JeskidoYT]

2:21:05 (Video is muted here) thanks Square Enix for still copyrighting songs where content creators can never record/stream/watch online in The Year Of Our Cloud 2023 2:24:30 Video is unmuted here

[@josevazval]

OKAY WHO DECIDED TO EDIT “TOMORROW WITH YOU”. BREAKING ME EVEN MORE

[@MergedWarriors]

Even when remastered the price of freedom is still steep...but hey, at least my boy got his wings in this timeline and he is reunited with aerith in the future.

[@cloud77ism]

Just Platinum this, love the hell out of this game.

[@nicholasnorman4179]

I need to myself

[@asu5632]

Lol you got luck on your side. I platinum most things but I gave up with crisis core way too much time wasting and luck enabled trophies

[@imnottray6514]

@@asu5632 The dmw trophy is giving me grey hairs. Cloud and Tseng are both stuck at 80%

[@parkedbusfish8259]

The Xenoblade 2 track fits disturbingly well in the last cutscene...

[@SaiyanHeretic]

Max: "Makes you wonder how Zack died, right?" In my original playthrough, I spent a good 30 minutes crushing waves of Shin-Ra troops before I remembered Zack is supposed to lose that fight. 😂

[@sdbzfan1]

I'm Glad max calls out the Nomura blind hate hate him all you want for the shit he makes, but blaming him for stuff you assume only makes you look dumb when people actually have receipts for who actually is responsible

[@gastar805]

Okay but the use of "tommorow with you" from xenoblade 2 for the final cutscene after zacks death no shit honestly makes it hit harder then with what actually plays.

[@jackjacques7495]

I wonder if Cloud having "the last pure S-Cells in the world" (aside from Sephiroth himself) is going to be relevant going forward in the remake. Would be strange if they just forgot about it. Also, I'm curious about what president Shinra said in the remake about SOLDIER showing cellular degradation, when in Crisis Core the whole point was that only G-type SOLDIERs did. Was it a retcon, or was he just lying to get in Cloud's head? Either way Cloud should be fine, since he's technically neither type of SOLDIER, and has Sephiroth's pure non-degrading cells instead. But of course president Shinra wouldn't know that.

[@dobrozner7784]

I mean, it's part of the original FF7 as well. Cloud having S/Jenova cells in him explains why Sephiroth was able to exert control over him. Also, it's possible that if Zack is alive, maybe he has to complete his business before SOLDIER degradation does him in? Could be an interesting plot point.

[@StormSnakeMG]

@@dobrozner7784 Zack wouldn't degrade either since he has S-Cells in him too after being a test tube subject.

[@IzraelGraves]

It is possible that sense things were remade, we may see Angeal or even Genesis again. I doubt it, but you never know, and if we do, these S-Cells will be relevant.

[@orangeapples]

My hope is that this means the rest of the compilation gets remakes. I would love to play Dirge of Ceberus with modern game design touches.

[@PhantomyreValentine]

About the Emerald Weapon-- Apparently that isn't canonically Emerald. It's supposed to be a completely different weapon we've never seen before, according to old interviews/Ultimania.

[@baked7423]

2:21:00 eyyyy the tomorrow with you. Also surprisingly fits well

[@fieryskullface123]

I was sitting there thinking that this track sounded familiar, and lo and behold we got a Xenoblade 2 OST. Beautiful

[@juubi249]

Imagine if Zack's laying there, the DMW rolls onto Aerith to make her image vanish like the rest, then it gives you the option to cast Healing Wave

[@Rebel_Friend]

Holy fuckin shit imagine

[@jinthewindmaster420]

For a second, I thought they were going to do that and that would be how they were going to tie it in to Rebirth.

[@ToonLink1672]

2:21:03 Just wanna say whoever decided to use The Tomorrow With You as the song to play over the copyrighted section, you’re awesome and amazing

[@Omnipotentpunch03]

I just beat this game and bro😔 a game hasn’t made me cry like this in a long time. I seriously thought zack survives at the end because in the FF7 remake it made it seem like he was still alive. I was so mad when he died fr😭

[@johannparis9445]

Yes because the end scene of Crisis core and CC Reunion follow DIRECTLY the beginning of FF7 Remake. But ! People have to realize that itns only when you beat FF7 Remake the very end that the ghost are nowhere to be found right now and....yes the end of Crisis core original could be changed...but not the original one. But if you think about it it s logical....Otherwise how Cloud could have the Buster Sword ? He couldn't. The thing that worried me is rather the ending scene of Intermission at the churtch. The french version is more precise i have noticed (i am native french smeaker). It dlesnt have a suggestion with the english "Aerith...?" But just "Aerith" and the tone used is clearly...not a guess or other. I really hope nothing bad happen to Aerith in Zack'..line. midgar see ghosts explose and vanish if you remember (Yuffie's lc Intermission i have just done the Hard mode with Nero) ...so things that was prevent before..are not . And when you know all the original entire story...huml you know how Aerith is important...it could explains why Sephiroth still want to defy destiny AFTER have beaten one of his clones... And i say that as an a fan also of the original FF7 (1998). As much as Max. Sadly i can see someone who could very badly affect Cloud's mind...in Sephiroth advantage. It s...Tifa. it s the ONLY one party melber who could very greatly affect Cloud' Aerith too but Sephiroth know nthat this time he cant messed around with her... Thins is sure : Remake is a wonder for originals fans all these hints and easter eggs. Honestly it s there things play and i wish all new players could appreciatenas luch details. Even the smallest ones as some npc dialogue...or things (Don corneo' arena is a direct easter egg and thing for future Golden Saucer...for..Rebirth no more no less and yet wkth MUCH bigger things to do and enjoy ^^ i can imagine By example if you remember remake in chapter 17 do you remember when you see Sephiroth before faling in what scalled the drum? Tifa notice Semhiroth ONLY when she touch Cloud's arm .. And a very nice touch : itns his left arm. The one who will have geostigmate in..Advent children (2 years after FF7 Original end). His future illness. I am pretty sure that a choice a true one should be made....and a awful one.... Sephi love to play with Cloud mind but i dont think he lied about the clock of the apocalypse ("7 secondes until the end") It s a direct reference. I wont say more for no spoils (i hate spoilers myself so ^^ ) The vision in VR Shinra showcase still tease me'...still wonder specially since the mayor Domino seem to find some interference wkth the room....weird.... Neither characters notice Sephiroth in the visionnexcept Cloud (manipulztion ?) But for sure they all saw the Meteor...

[@IzraelGraves]

Jesus Christ, so what the long-winded nerd above me was trying to say is, yes, Zack is alive, because at the end of Remake, you change history. So while this game you just played happened, mostly, Remake changed a few key points because of shenanigans. @johannparis9445 Nobody wants to read an article for a reply! You scallywag

[@resetbutton7982]

2:03:21 lmao still love seeing Max react to Genesis still being alive

[@trtx84]

Max's thoughts on how within a few Missions Zack becomes a damage god are interesting. I agree in part that things escalated incredibly quickly...but at the same time having watched his entire playthrough I think, in a way, Max earned it. The Minerva fight is really the best example of this. All of the comments were telling him he'd need to grind for X stat boost or go find Y materia and equipment. But, instead, he identified the one hurdle he faced (her Limit Break) and devised a plan to overcome it. It was that way throughout the game. While his Zack build ultimately became unstoppable within the main game, he got there by putting together a build using what he had available and executing. I was impressed by how good he got at the timing of the Jump attacks to avoid damage, as well as how he caught on to the patterns of the bosses to know when his damage window opened. Heck, he picked up on Minerva adding a fourth attack to her pattern and adjusted on the fly. Sure, he ultimately broke the game...but I feel like he earned it.

[@gamerljbo5981]

When I saw the scene with Aerith at the end I realized that since she is an ancient she knows Zack is dying and eventually dies.

[@destrond69]

Cissnei will end up being the woman Lesley is trying to find in the dlc content Square puts out after Rebirth, is what I'm thinking🤣

[@pestilence6957]

Whoever edited that video this a great job with the XC2 music at the end.

[@AllTopicYT]

Huh, Xenoblade 2 Music? For people wondering what the song is called: Tomorrow with you (Xenoblade Chronicles 2)

[@moreknowledge2553]

Zack Fair - Embrace your dreams and no matter what you do. Protect your honor! On the dead homies.

[@joshstrickland87]

Thank you for posting your play throughs. I had a blast “playing this” along side you till the end

[@foolycoolydood]

From the thumbnail alone I can already tell that tears will be shed 😭

[@len1802]

Max, in Final Fantasy VII Before Crisis, The Turks are the protagonists, Cissnei's name is Shuriken, also is one of the playable characters that takes place a bit early from Crisis Core story and between, and Zack appears in Before Crisis, also in the DMW you can see some cutscenes that are related to Zack in Before Crisis. Also too, things that happens in Before Crisis you can see it on mails, things like the Vicepresident going for bussiness travels to somewhere it's just Shin-Ra covering the fact that Rufus was working alongside AVALANCHE and he went captured by The Turks, or that monsters from Hojo's laboratory escaping and covering the real events with a big dessertion of SOLDIER members, Kunsel speaking about it with Zack at the beggining in Crisis Core. Barrett, Aerith, Vincent, even Cloud and Elena appears. It's an old phone game, didn't sell too much but have curious things from the lore, and I like it... Although not all is canon because plotholes.

[@justinsingleton2113]

There is a theory that they made Minerva so hard is because soon enough she is going to be a part of the remake story for FF7, it's going to be revealed her part in all of this story and who she really is, with these games they're going to finally start answering all the questions in players minds over the years

[@sanddry738]

Sleepezi has probably one of the best theory videos on this and so much more yeah. I can’t wait for rebirth both with the OG story beats and new ones

[@justinsingleton2113]

@@sanddry738 that's actually who I'm referring too, Sleepezi should be so more popular than he is on KZbin and be able to make a living off of it, unfortunately he has to with a regular job but if you follow him he got promoted so he hasn't had time to finish his next theory video, maybe it will come out soon

[@sanddry738]

@@justinsingleton2113 damn that’s a shame because I remember it involved Zack? Regardless, his theory videos are so good especially with the longer recent one about the themes of FF7 and the sheer power of memories. It makes Sephiroth an even more terrifying villain.

[@justinsingleton2113]

@@sanddry738 the amount of research and work he puts in those videos, hours of content, he shouldn't have to have a 9 to 5 but survive off KZbin by now but from what I hear KZbin doesn't pay line it used to, too many rules and restrictions but he definitely deserves more love

[@blountman747]

@@sanddry738 where do you go to find videos about that

[@shadowvincent8718]

FF7 Crisis Core has a special place in my heart because as someone whos introduction to Final Fantasy was through the original Crisis Core. The ending of this game hit extremelly hard for me since i played CC before FF7 and because of that i did not know what the fate of Zack would end up being.

[@genesisramos4791]

With how OP Zack gets in this part of the game, I don't even know how he... you know... at the end of the game.

[@malinenh01]

Yeah... and he was so close. Just 3 dudes left. It was just a huge gut punch. Well, I'm glad we get to see him back in action in Rebirth.

[@grimhellscythe6998]

It's called separation of gameplay and story, without it some games would have really bad issues. Like Batman Arkham City would have a permanent time limit until you beat the game

[@genesisramos4791]

@@grimhellscythe6998 Felt to me like a ludonarrative dissonance.

[@grimhellscythe6998]

@@genesisramos4791 its kinda a permanent crutch with Video games honestly, its why RE has an incredibly stupid explanation why the protags dont get infected, why characters who can seemingly kill gods in JRPG's can die from a single stab or a gunshot, unless your game is built like a Tellatale game its always going to have this separation or dissonance

[@chrysola9513]

@@grimhellscythe6998 Queue Aerith getting stabbed and Cloud just listening to Sephiroth's monologue instead of giving her an elixir. Never forget.

[@BigALBoomer]

That end credit gift was hilarious 😂

[@Joey-se1mk]

Max using "Xenoshits" music? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.

[@titansaint]

i wish the song at the end wasn't copyrighted to hell and back cos it adds so much emotion to the scene. its still amazing with the music chosen but that gdi song. . . and tbh i'd need the handkerchief cos i bawl at the ending every time.

[@thegingabishouen]

Whoever decided to use Xenoblade 2 Ost for the finale was a GENIUS. LINED UP PERFECTLY

[@Haido3D]

He embraced his dream, painfully

[@spiraljumper74]

I know it’s an emotional scene and all, but I’d honestly forgotten how thicc Crisis Core made post-timeskip Aerith. When she praying at the end, damn, girl got a bakery in back.

[@thisninja11]

I too was shocked at how caked up she got. Wonder where it went in remake

[@bigbosss7911]

@@thisninja11 bro she’s mega caked up in the remake

[@princessoscar3089]

OMG YAY XENOBLADE MUSIC IN A MAX STREAM!!!!!! TOMORROW WITH YOU!!!

[@empyreanpetals5709]

2:26:51 "Those Hot Wings... I want them too..."

[@NerdStrikesBack]

Good choice on Xenoblade 2 music for the last scene… it fit surprisingly well lol

[@supercala332]

If Kunsel doesn't become more than just a mention in Remake part 2, I'm going to be quite sad. I'm not set in stone on this...but I also wouldn't mind if he was given his own character model, since we've only ever seen him with his helmet on, but he's important enough that some probably feel he deserves one.

[@testhekid]

i can't believe how emotional this ending was, Zack's character in this game did not just get me into crisis core but also final fantasy as a whole, that was awesome

[@rinvalentine7108]

I just finally accepted the fact that part 5 wasn't happening on yt and this happens? Take my like

[@admiralmu4353]

And this is why you should have a couple of Phoenix Down in your pocket. Dang, the Ending still gets me everytime...

[@mitromney]

I'm so happy Crisis Core is a playable game that you can show your friends without being ashamed again. Yes, the writing is still not the best in some places, but the action is improved to the acceptable standard, the graphics are improved to the acceptable standard, and the overarching story is great as always, so it really is an enjoyable game with just a handful of smaller issues here or there and it can be honestly recommended as a part of FFVII experience. As of today, what I'm recommending my friends is: Play: Crisis Core Reunion Play: original FFVII (modded, with better graphics) Watch: THE LAST ORDER Watch: On the way to smile Watch: Advent Children Complete Play: FFVII Remake Watch: Max explaining the timeline theory on YT Wait for: FFVII Rebirth Got 7 people on the hype train already, including my own wife.

[@darkshortyx]

Max could have put subtitles for himself in the muted part lol. Good ass play through!!!

[@bukojoetheslapsoils8273]

They remastered a Tabata game with all the Tabata cinematics intact but no Tabata in the credits. Feels bad, man. I kinda think Tabata didn't want to be in the credits tho because of his sour past with SE.

[@KanaTenshi]

When you miss the stream so you don't get to hear what max was saying during the cut scenes 😅