MILGRAM / Mikoto - Double [The Second Trial Music Video]

[@Deity_Seifina]

CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE ANIMATION THE TEAM HAS IMPROVED SO MUCH SINCE THE FIRST TRIAL IT'S INSANE????

[@rachrel5457]

FR THIS IS SO GOOD

[@shihosakihate]

Real!!

[@uwu_ptc]

YEAHH

[@akgentiv]

REAL

[@roxs6557]

its insane, we went from awkward fuuta slide walking animation and a bunch of slide shows to HOLY SHIT MY MIND IS BLOWING UP

[@furomaguro]

すごい勢いの「お前のためにやってやるよ！！」から始まって生まれたことによる「ごめんなさい」で曲閉めるのすごいクる

[@tukihotaru2193]

確かにすごいね…「最初のお前のためにやってやるよ」は二重人格のジョンまぁ言ってるみたいだけど最後に「ごめんなさい」のところが『ミコト』なのか『ジョン』なのかわからない位絞り出すような声で言ってたけどもし『ミコト』だったら本当は全部知っていて現実逃避してる可能性もあるね…

[@user-kakikukeko.]

⁠@@tukihotaru2193 ハイライトが上にあるからミコトかな…？って思ってる。 ジョンはハイライトが目の下にある

[@jeower]

⁠@@tukihotaru2193думаю, это Микото. мне кажется, что начинает осознавать, если ранее не знал, про Джона. он начинает понимать, что делает что-то неправильное и, как мне показалось, бежит от всего этого. в конце Микото буквально выдавливает «мне очень жаль», возможно, показывая, что действительно осознает что натворил и пытается извинится, ведь действительно все это время не знал о своей такой «сущности».

[@iivantill]

2:01 "hey, I just wanted to save you, so why did it come to this?". i'm crying all my tears rn.

[@Manga678Shiro]

Most real comment under this video😭😭😭😭😭😢

[@hiccupsland]

I sure hope everyone is NORMAL and WELL BEHAVED this time

[@StrawberryHerring]

The live chat was going crazy lol But yeah it was pretty tame... atleast until now.

[@sesmo_TheCryptid]

Don't count on it, the fangirls are gonna go crazy

[@mhaoreax6585]

⁠@@sesmo_TheCryptidas a fangirl can confirm i will be going crazy(already am)

[@StrawberryHerring]

@@sesmo_TheCryptid As someone who's friend is a fangirl, I can confirm she's going nuts right now.

[@104Momo]

If the live chat was any indicator? no

[@LanieMae]

I love how the mannequins from the tarot cards in MeMe are back, and they’re in real life and completely destroyed.

[@puppy-seed]

Omg yea

[@arisadragon2254]

I agree. In all second trial mv's you can see references to the first trial. The creators have my uttermost respect for what they created so far and will create

[@Yamouri]

omg i didnt even notice that :0

[@vixenflorafoxflows4155]

Ohhh I didn't even make that connection!

[@EvelynDix-u4p]

Do they like symbolize people and the distance between others and the mc?

[@おみかんマン]

｢なあ、俺は救いたかったんだよ。なのに何でこうなんだよ｣があまりにも辛すぎて泣きそう

[@amburg37]

this is the best day of my life thank you mikoto kayano for existing

[@omoriomoriomori]

omor

[@mooniecake]

I KNEW I WOULD FIND U HERE HELP

[@amburg37]

@@mooniecakeSHUTU P ZANDER I HATE U /J

[@mooniecake]

is mikoto preppy.. /ij

[@bugmuu]

Hai :3

[@melaniecheshire6420]

John saying he's sorry for fucking up Mikotos life at the end.... Bruh, that was painful. The expression was so well animated 😭❤

[@marzdust]

im pretty sure that was mikoto saying it at the end! mikoto has shines at the top of his eyes while john/orekoto has them at the bottom 🤔

[@thatminer7174]

​@@marzdustit kinda works for both tbf. We know john is sorry and mikoto is likely too

[@noahi.1381]

It works for both honestly and it makes Mikoto so much more interesting for it

[@Keijikink]

@@marzdust yeah i'm pretty sure he's a people pleaser and that he realised he fucked up at some kind of point, I dont really think John would apologise for protecting mikoto

[@DrachedesDonners]

@@Keijikink I think John more so apologises for basically getting Mikoto into trouble. also there's the use of 'Ore' just before so I'm inclined to think this was John and not Mikoto.

[@SouziHAdekimasen]

今更気づいた歌詞の終盤人格が交互に喋ってたんだ ミコト(覚えてないんだよ) ジョン「しょうがないダブルなんだ」 ミコト(苦しかったんだよ) ジョン「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコト(なんで…なんで……) ジョン「俺が生まれてこなけりゃこんな…」 ミコト(なんで……なんで) 〈ごめんなさい〉だけは双方が別の人に向けた言葉なのかもしれない… 追記:ミコトサイドの声がジョンの声より遠くから響く様な音なのを思うに この瞬間は表に出てるのはミコトで 身に覚えの無い殺人を突き付けられて苦しんでる所をジョンが”内側”から俯瞰で聞いて「仕方無い」、「俺が全て悪い」と言葉を並べているのかなと感じました そしてその末の「ごめんなさい」

[@Re-s4z]

第一審のときに、ミコトの裏人格がミコトに協力的なのか、主人格を乗っ取ろうとしてるのかどっちなんだろうって疑問だったんだけど、ダブルとボイスドラマを聴いて、本当に心からミコトを想っているのがミコトの裏人格(ジョン)なんだなとわかってから、ミコトのこともジョンのことも大好きになっちゃったな。MeMeの「ボクが僕を救ってあげましょう」も、ダブルの「俺が救ったハズだろう」も一片の嘘もないジョンの気持ちなんだよね ミコトが辛くても無理して笑って、ずっとずっと頑張っていたことをぜんぶ知ってて、ミコトが壊れる前に守ろうと救おうとして生まれた存在だからこそ、ミコトが赦されるなら俺が全て背負って消えるって選択をするのはあまりにも愛じゃん……。いま自分のせいで追い込まれているミコトを見て、「生まれてきてごめんなさい」って思うほどに苦しんでいるのもジョンなんだよね……… いまミルグラムという監獄に入れられて本当になにも知らないのに悪者になって追い詰めれているのは実際ジョンのせいだし、衝動的に赤の他人を殺したのはどうやっても赦されないことで、それを知ったミコトはジョンを憎むかも知れないけど、エスがジョンの気持ちに触れたようにミコトにも、どんなに辛くても絶対に自分の味方だった友がいたんだってことを知ってほしいな、と個人的には思ってしまう

[@りんご-d6m2c]

「俺が守るよ」「もう1人の俺が全部背負うから」って歌詞が全てを物語ってるな…………つらい…

[@美しい絶望]

それな!つらい

[@akgentiv]

😢

[@-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o]

第一審のMeMeは 自分が2ついるって意味だったのか…

[@helloex-6767]

​@@-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oなんかMeMeの頭文字である「M」がジョンくんを表していて「e」がミコトくんを表してる様に見えちゃう現象がががっ(意味不考察ですみません…)

[@hifumiizanamisluvr]

Odasaku plushie??! 😮

[@tagamekenmchi-so7yv]

第一審ボイスドラマの時にエスを襲ったのはただジョンの性格が凶暴だからだと思ってたけど本当はストレスからミコトを守るためだったんだな…

[@chzki]

Pointing out some details that maybe you already know: - The messages from 0:12 to the phone call at 0:18 was from someone called "Chief". I can't read what the first two messages are (since they are very long and I can't see them clearly) but the other two are "Hey, come back" and "Do you intend to ignore/abandon/give up your missions/duties/jobs?" -> The "Chief" was calling Mikoto to "come back" to work (so the first two messages might be about work) => Clearly Mikoto was overworking, and this is also a normal issue in Japan. (also Mikoto''s phone wallpaper is the tarot card "The Hanged Man" on his shirt in "MeMe") - At 0:18 and 1:18, the Japanese words are "Good morning" and it seems that Mikoto also saying "Good morning" at those frames too. - At around 1:19, Mikoto is sitting while his reflection on the window breaking down (sorry if I'm not using the right word). The next scene is Mikoto standing up, holding the baseball bat and smashing the mannequins => The one sitting and then standing up with a bat is John (for anyone who have no ideas who is John, he is Oretoko. John is the name Es gave to him, originally from "John Doe"), and also it's clearly a fact that John was formed from Mikoto's stress (that's why they showed him being stressful). - From 1:49 (Mikoto running), the word showing repeatedly is "Dream", and from 2:02 (John walking), the words are "savior" (there is an arrow pointing at John) and "save you". From 2:17 and 2:20, the words appearing are "Double" and "MeMe", respectively. [There are also a lot of letters (I don't even know if they are letters) that are blurry and unreadable appearing with these words, and some more at some other frames) - At 1:53, there's a pair of red eyes and at 2:17, there's a pair of blue eyes, both looking angry. - The lines, "If only I were never born, if only." "I'm sorry." can be seen as John's lines, showing that he feels guilty and sorry for Mikoto. What he did was to "save Mikoto from breaking", but in the end, what he did was still murdering, and since Mikoto has DID, what John did also affects Mikoto. In the voice drama, Es said something like "What John did is considered a sin" (I don't really think it is to blame Mikoto since the context of the sentence is about "What will happen to Mikoto, legally speaking"). I think John feels guilty for something like dirtying Mikoto's hands. (I am very sorry if what I said here is wrong or offend anyone since I'm still trying to get used to DID related terms and English is not my mother language. Please gently correct me if I'm wrong, thank you very much.) - The mannequins might represent the society, the strangers around Mikoto (and it kind of makes senses since John said he killed "some random strangers walking around"). The mannequins are also the same kind that appeared in "The Hanged Man", and since Mikoto is a designer, mannequins was used for symbolism. Overall the MV was amazing I have literally no words. In the end I just want to hug this poor dude he did so much for his family and his future, he really tried his best. Will forgive him for sure. *I edited it a bit after wandering on Twitter and other comments!

[@TIME-fe6ne]

Thank you for sharing all these with us! Realizing that Mikoto and John are singing the song together just makes it sadder :,)

[@chzki]

@@TIME-fe6ne yes, especially in this song John sings more than in MeMe. And in Reversible Campaign cover too, makes me wanna cry I wish we could just hug them or sth ; ;

[@TIME-fe6ne]

@@chzki and btw even though English is not your first language you expalined everything pretty well! I wouldn't have been able to tell that you weren't native if you didn't point it out yourself. Have some confidence man! Your English is better than some of the native speakers, believe me xD

[@belychum]

Omg thank you for sharing so many details, also your English is excellent. Just that it wouldn't be "I think John feels guilty for something like dirty mikoto's hands" but "... something like dirtying mikoto's hands"

[@chzki]

@@belychumjust fixed it, thank you for the correction!

[@kyu-suke3468]

ジョンのパートが多いことで ミコトが起きてる時間が減っているのを表しているのすごくいい

[@soleilpeik]

I forgot to mention this but i really have to commend natsuki hanae for his brilliant VA-singing. The stark difference in tone when Mikoto is singing vs when John is singing is stellar.

[@merkyuruu]

I'm pretty sure this entire song is John singing. The lyrics are basically him talking to Mikoto, saying "hey you're going to break, so I'll save you" and whenever there's a first person pronoun it's always "ore" which Mikoto doesn't use. The only part that wouldn't be him is when Mikoto is speaking to his mother on the phone.

[@soleilpeik]

@@merkyuruu youre right in that all verses are sung by john. but the chorus repeats its main tune twice. first time 0:37 is mikoto, second time 0:50 is john. its shown visually as well since its mikoto on the screen when this is sung, and john when it switches. additionally in the first part of the chorus no personal pronouns are used, 'ore' is used to start off the second rep for the chorus also at the end, mikotos doing the background vocals when he says "i dont know anything, etc," and john responds with "thats expected, im double," so on so forth.

[@merkyuruu]

@@soleilpeik ahh you're right you're right, initially i had thought even if mikoto was onscreen, it was like john watching him and speaking to him. but rereading lyrics i realized which were the lines that only apply to mikoto.

[@ぬそや]

0:12 「今日出してた初稿だけどやっぱりB案の方がいいから朝までに作り直しといて」 「あと忘れてたけど例の件赤字たっぷりあるから修正しとけ。これも明日朝入稿だったからまとめてよろしく」 「おい帰ってこい。」 「職務を放棄するつもりか？」 時間が(恐らく午前)0時35分ってところからしてもチーフクソ上司すぎる

[@Jess-kj6bo]

Thank you!

[@eleatreezero]

🙏 thank you!

[@user-ox2vv1tu7f]

それな。でも実際広告代理店は長時間労働をしている所が多いからな...難しい問題だね。

[@れにるい]

ミニグラムでもミコトはブラック企業にいたからね

[@tobicst]

The only crime this man committed was absolutely killing it

[@pissip]

Truly slayed

[@duncanmoore3780]

and those manikins

[@Ewhite.06]

literally too

[@yuiseishino]

I’m dead (just like the victims)

[@davidtitanium22]

and by "it" i mean their peanits

[@ゆづき-j3e]

最初の｢お前のためにやってやるよ｣の声が好きすぎる

[@chocomint2619]

At 2:17, Mikoto and “John” are having a conversation and it’s very sad. Mikoto is breaking down, and “John” is comforting him-But Mikoto is not aware of “John”’s existence, so he can’t hear him. That “I’m so sorry” is most likely an apology from “John” to Mikoto, not for us.

[@marydah7392]

Wtf is John now

[@kikoruyo]

@@marydah7392 orekoto, his alter “john” was a name given by es if I’m not mistaken

[@Redheart709]

i disagree, since we can see which one is in control by their eye shines. mikoto has a shine at the top, and 'john' has a shine at the bottom. best seen at 0:48. also, when the train has bright lights outside, its mikoto. when the lights are black, its 'john'.

[@nightsongmoon5641]

​@@Redheart709but still alters can communicate with each other even if one isn't fronting so this can be possible.

[@nazunya]

@@Redheart709 i agree with all of the proof i just don’t understand why it would be mikoto saying it? the whole bit at the end does feel like a one sided conversation (since mikoto doesn’t know about “johns” existence) and so “john” being the one to say im so sorry makes more sense imo

[@さしみ-r8r]

2:16 ここ表と裏の会話っぽくて好き ミコト「覚えてないんだよ」 ジョン「しょうがないダブルなんだ」 ミコト「苦しかったんだよ」 ジョン「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコト「なんでなんで」 ジョン「俺が生まれてこなけりゃこんな」 ミコト「なんでなんで」 ジョン「ごめんなさい」 みたいな感じで

[@noatmealcookie02]

Oh, you're so right!

[@あおい-d1o6g]

会話みたいですよね…！主人格と裏人格で葛藤してる…

[@tasuku209]

決してジョンの言葉がミコトに届くことないのがなぁ

[@さしみ-r8r]

@@tasuku209 そうなんですよね〜ジョンが苦しんでるミコトを見て労りの言葉を投げかけても謝罪しても本人には届かない、一方的でしかないっていうのが…

[@CsMsLady80]

ジョンは誰ですか?

[@hontounonamaehaibu]

1:19ミコトくんの人格がジョンくんになってる時瞳のハイライトが下になってんの細かくて好き

[@塩化銅-h5q]

2:30 でごめんなさいを言ってる時は主人格のミコトってことかな？

[@hontounonamaehaibu]

@@塩化銅-h5q ハイライト説が本当ならそうなるんですよね…第一審の方も見てみたんですけど左右に分かれてるっぽいです…

[@いちお-h4k]

「救いたかったんだよ」って歌詞があるんだけど、俺が生まれたのは僕を守るために生まれたから俺は僕を守ろうとしたのに「なんでこうなるんだよ」って気持ちは痛いほどわかるし、「生まれてこなきゃ」「ごめんなさい」と思うほどに僕のことを大切に思ってくれてるっていうところが赦してあげたくなった

[@user-cukacukai_ni]

その気持ちはとてもよく分かります。「俺」は「僕」のために生まれて生きて、誰かを大事に思う気持ちもある。「俺」も頑張ったのでしょう。でも、「僕」のストレスをどうにかするために生まれたなら、「僕」に更にストレスをかけるようなことをしてはいけなかっただろう、とも思います。幼い子に反省してもらうために怒るように、「俺」に「そのやり方は「僕」を苦しめるから、ダメだったね」と言うつもりで赦さないと判断したい、と私は個人的に思います。 拙い文章で失礼しましたm(*_ _)m

[@紫陽花-g3y]

​@@user-cukacukai_ni でもミルグラムに捕らえられてるのはジョンじゃなくてミコトだからジョンを許さないって事は出来ないんだよね、今僕たちが判決を言い渡せるのはミコトの事だけだから、

[@ニゲロェ゙]

​​@@紫陽花-g3y本当に、それなんですねよ。ジョンに同情出来るか出来ないか、幼いから仕方がないかで、判決決めるのは違う気がするんですよね

[@ニゲロェ゙]

ミコトはジョンの存在を知らない訳で、親として…とかも中々理不尽というますか…なので自分はミコトは何もしていないですし、一審も二審も赦すにしましたね。

[@moritukimiya8282]

1:50電車の中で逃げられない状況が、自分の中に得体の知れない物がいるから逃げられない状況でマッチしていて好きです

[@niconiconessi]

ジョンって僕を守るためならなんだってするって言ってて意外と優しくてびっくりした ほんとに推せる

[@美しい絶望]

ほんとはつらいのにお母さんに「大丈夫」って嘘までついて心配かけたくなかったんだなミコト君優しすぎるよ・・・

[@PlantFood_]

What do you mean?

[@木下-j6d]

それなすぎる

[@SANKAKU-minon]

​@@PlantFood_ MIKOTO didn't talk his mother about his distress because he don't want to cause his mother to worry about him. MIKOTO is too kind to break himself.

[@My-rizz-on-cai-is-godlike]

​@@SANKAKU-minon Sometime, I feel like I see myself in him, I don't want to worry my loved ones with my problems

[@tukihotaru2193]

ミコトがお母さんに電話してるところなんだけど何か聞こえるんだけど子供の声かな…けど何かの悲鳴に聞こえるぽいんだけどもしかして辛すぎてミコトの幻聴が聞こえるのかなあ？

[@のみ-q5r]

赦すでいいだろ？って朝にサブスクで聴いた時はちょっと傲慢に聞こえたけど、mv見てボイドラ聴いてこれがジョンのミコトを許してくれって懇願だと思うと胸が痛い

[@Habbymer]

People still forgotting that all prisoners ARE guilty, we're just deciding If they deserve to be forgiven or not

[@evisl.w6552]

Yuno I think that was her name isn't outright a murderer she had a lot of abortion which technically means she didn't kill anyone in the legal sense of the word, the same could go to Mahiru who's boyfriend decided to kill himself due to the toxicity of their relationship isn't Mahiru's fault in the sense of him dying, you could say she did kill him by driving him to that extent of taking his own life or kazui and the fact that his wife decided to kill herself after revealing the truth to her and more, while milgram does consider them guilty of their "crimes"

[@LightLavishThought]

I think the right term is responsible. Each one, in various ways, is responsible for the death of someone or someones. It's our job to decide whether or not they're guilty or innocent, in the same way that a court might. Guilty? They get punished. Innocent? They still had to go through the hearing. We as a collective can decide whether or not they deserve to be forgiven, but at the end of the day the truth of Milgram is very, VERY subjective.

[@Jennet802]

​@@evisl.w6552yes I agree. But we also know that even Mikoto isnt really guilty. Only his other "self"

[@purplevoncreep9920]

I don't know why people continue to try preach this like Yuno isn't right there.

[@Harpae69]

I mean... John was the one who actually k*lled people, but the one being judged is Mikoto, not John, so if we put it like that, Mikoto is the only innocent one, the guilty one would be John

[@ペケチュウ-l1i]

第一審まで「絶対許さねえ許しちゃいけねえ」って思ってたのに、第二審のボイスドラマ聴いてから気持ちが一気に「許す」に傾き始めている・・・人心・・・・。

[@huwarari9926]

自分も赦すか赦さないか迷ってたけどボイドラ聞いてから一気に変わった あんなん聞いたら赦しちゃうに決まってるやろ…

[@yuzu4322]

主人格のミコトともう1人の人格のミコト、どっちの感情で歌ってるの分かるのエグくね…？花江夏樹すごすぎる！！

[@あおい-d1o6g]

花ちゃんは天才😊

[@MeruselonyaRoneaHerloikFamlone]

(σ°∀°)σそれな‼️

[@ljtf491]

2:17 noticed how to know who's the one talking in the convo between Mikoto and John. Mikoto's parts has pianos in the background while John's parts are mostly just guitar

[@vibealong1191]

THE WAY HIS THUMBNAIL SITTING POSE IS THE SAME AS “MeMe” BUT WAYY MORE AGGRESSIVE NOW IS JUST RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRR 🔥🔥

[@rinrinko]

YOU NOTICED THAT TOO??

[@vibealong1191]

@@rinrinko YESSIRRRR WMWNAGIGNWIGNWRHG

[@rinrinko]

@@vibealong1191 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Lee-Tea]

Holy shit that’s a nice detail

[@limebeanz_]

the thumbnail from MeMe still creeps me out, his eyes looks empty 😭😭💔

[@makizusi_susi]

ボイスドラマ聞いて切なくなった ミコトを守るためにジョンは生まれたのに、結局はジョンのせいでまた苦しんでしまってるっていう地獄のループ入ってる…。 エスの優しい声とミコトの明るい部分とジョンのミコトへの思いやりに泣きました

[@こしあん-w4b]

二審絡み始めた新参者だけど、一審で「赦さない」判決してくれた人たちありがとう。おかげでミルグラムに沼れたよ。めっちゃいい曲で何度も再生してる

[@まぬるぬぬ]

つまりこれ、俺ミコトくんからの僕ミコトくんへの熱烈なラブソングってことでOK？

[@user-zs3te5pw8c]

👍

[@りさ-m9o1y]

ドラパ聴いてジョンが、ミコトのこと本当に大切だって知れた。 自分が消えてでも守りたい存在なんだって伝わってきた。 ミコトは何も知らない。 もう1人の自分のことも、溜まっていくストレスの発散方法も。 ミコトを守る為に、壊れてしまわないように守ってくれる親友がミコトの中にいるんだよ。 気づいてあげて…

[@dearmybear]

wanted to point out, at 1:49 mikoto is running from who knows what, and right after that it’s john with a bat. the angle and just way they run/walk reminds me of horror movies where the victims being chased by the killer

[@LanieMae]

Actually quite a lot of stuff in Mikoto’s MVs is based off of western horror movies. Especially in meme where he’s in the shower represents how in a lot of movies it’s normally a woman getting attacked in killed in a shower and stuff, possibly portraying that mikoto/John are more of victims than anything or something bad happened in that scene

[@kuro02kuro]

@@LanieMaei only spotted the psycho reference in the shower scene,, THERES MORE????

[@milk_koucha]

ミコトくんの歌って他の囚人と違って伴奏、バックサウンドが特別大きい気がして、ミコトくんの声が聞きづらいんだけど、これはミコトくんの主人格の弱さとか裏人格の葛藤とかを表してる気がして、ほっんとうに作りこんでて好き……。

[@fishbowl.9399]

Firstly, the song is INCREDIBLE. Secondly, we get some new insight on Mikoto’s internal thoughts. Interestingly, we don’t see the alter(s) and host merge at the end like we saw with MeMe. Thirdly, animation is BEAUTIFUL. Although another thing I find interesting is that there isn’t any tarot card symbolism but we get a phone call in exchange

[@justinortiz3951]

i might be wrong but at the end of meme i always thought it was his aggressive alter punching his innocent one at the very end which for me kinda fits more with how this mv went with the aggressive alter seemingly chasing the innocent one to try and hurt him more

[@iciarsoto8860]

​@@justinortiz3951 I think he was threatening Es.

[@mahogania5536]

​@@buhnanaaaahe's a protective alter after all

[@kiwi8725]

Ok but in the beginning his cellphone wallpaper is the hanged man I think, and in MeMe it’s in his shirt

[@ven5507]

we sorta saw orekoto and mikoto merge at 0:36, no ?

[@questpc9083]

I see John as a child who doesn't understand much. His desire to help the main personality. He observes the suffering and, because of his lack of knowledge, comes to the wrong conclusion. And so working hard and not getting the approval he needed (he wanted to be praised, from this line "count me to the savior), John is even more stressed. In the end, he realizes that he was moving on the wrong path. Because he wanted to protect his main personality and not be an enemy to him.

[@aya.__.n]

1:12〜、ミコト側の硝子にはジョンが映ってないけど、ジョン側の硝子にはミコトが映ってる。ジョンはミコトを想っているけど、ミコトは気が付いてないことを表してるようで泣けてしまった。(ミコトは顔を覆って俯いてることからも考察できますね……。)

[@tri_angel_3]

過労によって追い詰められる⇒自分だけでは対応できないレベルまで疲弊⇒防衛機制として解離症状出始める⇒ 解離性同一症になったのかなと。 限界を迎えそうになった中で、無意識のうちの精神を守るために生まれてきたのがもう1人のミコトだった。 解離状態のときの記憶は途切れると言われているから、当然、通常の状態のミコト本人からしたら理解できないことだらけで、結果的に自責の念を覚える。 ｢生まれてきてごめんなさい｣は、そんなミコト自身の言葉でもあり、守るつもりで生まれた自分に対するもう1人のミコトの言葉でもあると思うが、、、辛すぎる…。

[@あおい-d1o6g]

すごい…確かに解離状態の時の記憶はない人がほとんどだって言われてますよね…ミコトくん1人が悪い訳じゃない…😢

[@liamhunter4154]

not how DID forms

[@MUCHBIGGERNOPE16271]

​@@liamhunter4154as a person w DID, I kinda think that maybe Mikoto had DID before, but like 1. either alters went dormance or 2. all of them were fused before the other one formed or 3. the alter was there before it all, but triggered by the stress many possibilities tbh

[@HolicChan]

@@liamhunter4154and that’s why it’s a story, not real life

[@HolicChan]

Makes perfect sense to me!

[@egg-g9t6q]

2:27 「ごめんなさい」で最後に映ってるのジョンの方だと思ってたんだけど、電車の外が明るいからミコトだって気づいた。なんとなくその後もう一回それを意識して見たんだけど、2番の「全部背負うから」 1:24 の後のシーンで、電車の外が明るいときと暗いときがある。向かい合って座ってたし、その後ミコトが乗っている車両だけ血まみれになってたから、多分目の前でやったんだと思うけど、曲の最後のシーンも含めて、ミコトにジョンは見えてないのかな？同じ車両にいるのは二人の境目が曖昧になってきたとか？他にも、一番最初の「おはよう」 0:17 が、文字は逆だけど色的にはミコトのセリフっぽいし…ジョンに話しかけてる？ 2:11 でジョンが人を殴ってないのに、向こうから血と人が飛んでくるのもおかしいし、これ多分 1:58 と同じシーンだと思うんだけど、ミコト映ってないし、ミコトがやったと考えたら辻褄が合うといえば合う気がする…。 2:16 でついてなかった血が、最後急に二人の右手についてるのも謎だし…。MeMeの方でも「飲み込んだマイナスのイメージが僕を抱き締めてくれたの」とか、ミコト気づいてる？って歌詞が色々あるし、考えれば考えるほど、本当にミコトは何もしていないのかとか、ジョンがミコトを庇っているのかもしれないとかを考えて、マジで悶えてる。ただの的外れな勘違いであってほしい…

[@FatherDazai]

0:45 Mikoto/Mikoto’s alter acknowledging that so many people in the fandom called him a faker and a manipulator (doubted his DID/OSDD despite the concrete proof) sent chills down my spine, I feel so sorry for him.

[@Idontknow_418]

I feel guilty for thinking he was lying in t1 😭 Especially since i didnt know about the voice dramas

[@aloafofbread4026]

I believe the lyrics from 0:35 to 0:49 is from Mikoto's perspective, the lyrics that follow after that is John

[@kingchey772]

@@aloafofbread4026 i'm pretty sure this whole song is John

[@aloafofbread4026]

@@kingchey772 Similar to MeMe, the contrast between the piano and the guitar instrumentals may provide a hint as to which alter is singing the lyrics. Even in the last part of the song, Mikoto and John sound like they're communicating with each other. Throughout the song, there are subtle differences with how John and Mikoto sing, with mikoto on the gentler side and john on the harsher side

[@kingchey772]

@@aloafofbread4026 yeah, on second watch you're right. also the color of the windows shows who's being shown (White for Mikoto, Black for John)

[@user-sirose_yuki]

おつかれ , おはよう って、ミコトくんに真っ先に言ってる裏人格くんが1番優しいよね…

[@ソラ-e8f]

だいぶ狂気的な曲とpvなのに社畜という事実だけでミコトのこと好きになりそう。なかなか推しが定まらなかったけどミコト推したくなってきたわ

[@nui-hari]

ダブルの方だけ聴くとジョン（裏ミコト）が殺人を繰り返してて、表のミコトは正真正銘の清廉潔白…って感じだけどボイスドラマで指摘された通りMeMeの時点でなんかミコトの心象風景（タロットカード弄ってた部屋）は廃墟だし、悪魔のタロットが両面表になってたのも怖い 初犯はミコト（表）の犯行で、それが引き金になってジョンが出てきたと考えるとミコトが殺人犯として収監されたことに辻褄が合うような…

[@stultusvanitas4562]

ボイスドラマでのエスの「何人、殺した？」という問いに対して、「記憶にねぇ。その時初めて生まれたもんでな」的なことを言っていたので、その時あれ？と思いました。 殺しすぎて数えてないというのならまだしも、「その時初めて生まれた」という表現は明らかにおかしいですよね。 でも表の方も嘘をついているわけではなさそうだし、初犯の記憶は一体どっちが持っているんだろう…？

[@サイトウケイナ]

@@stultusvanitas45621年前のコメントなので今更返信するのアレですけど… たぶん表人格が嘘ついてないように見えるのは新しく人格が出来た時に奥深くに封じ込めてて思い出さないくらいに表人格が壊れているから…とかかなぁと 自分がやったことではない自分では無い自分の記憶にはそんなものない…とか激しく思い込んで消そうと足掻いた結果、一見汚れひとつない1人の青年が出来上がったんじゃないですかね 元々優しくて人並みに生きていけていたけれどストレスで壊れてしまった 流石に何人も○ってて全てバレずに隠蔽出来るほど手馴れてはいなさそうですし最初だけやっちまった感 なんか、ミコトの顔見ると病んでる人じゃなくて「病んでません」と言い張る異常者に見えて…みんなそうか

[@アヤ-b2h]

2:01 次に着く駅が文字化けしている ミコトが入りたい企業に就職して、想像以上に辛い日々を送っていく中で、何を目指せば良いのか、辛い日々の先に何があるのかがわからなくなってしまったのを表してるのかな……

[@りんごっゆめゆめ]

この曲聞いて胸を締められた‥ 他人格が主人格を守ろうとするけど それは‥守れていなくて‥ ストレスで苦しくなると人は壊れてしまう‥救えたらいいなと思います‥ でもこれは、二次元でもなくてリアルにもあるから‥なんか苦しくなる‥ 身代わりがいないと気持ちを保っていけないのって‥ストレスが少しでもなくなる世の中になるといいな‥

[@べばぼん]

ボイスドラマ内容要約、 ミコトはストレスにより俺(ジョン)人格を作った、ジョンは看守が命名、 ミコトが赦されなかったことによりジョン人格が強く残りミコト人格が消えていっている。ジョンはミコトのことを赦してほしいと言っている、ジョンが全ての殺害を犯したと発言、赦してくれたらジョンは最終的に消えると発言 赦す→僕(ミコト)の人格が残る 赦さない→俺(ジョン)の人格残る 最終片方の人格が消えるっぽい？ ぜひボイスドラマ聴いてください！🙏訂正、不足ありましたらぜひコメントお願いします

[@popypopy6041]

どう転んでも、ミコト(ジョン)の体はあと1人(もう片方の自分)を殺さないといけないんだな(；；)

[@Toketa_a]

どうにかお別れにならず済む方法を…と思うけど、現実的に見てこの状況下での二重人格なんて無い方がもちろん自他共に良いだろうし、現実だってそんな都合良くいかないもんな… 正直ジョンを思うと辛くなるし、赦されたミコトがジョンを知った時の気持ちを考えると…… 二人で共有して背負えたら、もしかしたらまた違ったのかも知れないね

[@AMANE_0402]

ミコトが二重人格になったきっかけが第2審MVで明白になるといいな。裏人格が主人格を守る為にやった殺人を主人格が罪を負うのはおかしいと思うから救われてほしい

[@helloex-6767]

そうですよね…ただ心象で我々看守達に思い知らされたくない様裏ミコくんが装ったり記憶を変えてしそうでイヤだなぁ 言うたらムウみたいに時系列をバラバラにしたり信じ込ませるようなこと ミコトくんミルグラムの中でコトコさんの次に赦しちゃいけない(？)人物やから第二審でも赦さないになりそうで怖い 主人格の方を救いたい気持ち分かります……ミコトくんを救いたいし報われてほしいよ…因みに雰囲気ブチ壊すこと言っちゃいますけどサムネのミコトくん… めちゃくちゃ色気とｴｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯがあっていいですよね

[@あおい-d1o6g]

⁠@@helloex-6767わかる…裏人格は確かに赦されないかもだけど、それでミコトくんごと赦されなかったら主人格のミコトくんが不憫だよね…私の最推しでもあるから報われてほしいな… それと、サムネのミコトくんｴｯｯｯｯｯｯｯﾁｲのめっちゃわかります😇

[@Kagu7115-asterisk-]

個人的にこうであって欲しいって言う展開だと、善ミコトが殺人犯して悪ミコトが凶暴なフリというか、凶暴な性格だから俺が悪いことにして殺人を犯した善ミコトの身代わり（救う）になってるって展開がめっちゃエモい。

[@K-hj4up]

本当だよ…

[@AMANE_0402]

みなさんの返信読ませていただきました、本っ当にそれなです…😭実は裏ミコくんが主人格の罪を庇って赦してほしいって言ってたらどうしようとか悪いことばっか考えてしまう…裏人格が好き勝手やったのか、裏人格が主人格の殺人を庇って主人格を守っているのかだとか色んな考察できますよね…！あともう少しなので皆さん楽しみましょう！！

[@LanieMae]

Just want to bring up a theory I’ve been interested in lately. Basically it goes that Mikoto and John aren’t the only alters, but there are underdeveloped fragment alters as well. As John is referred to being newly born but DID can’t form in adulthood. But this is rather than the whole theory that there’s a secret 3rd one behind the scenes. Basically from what I’ve heard a fragment is a lesser developed alter that are dedicated to perform specific tasks. And that’s essentially what the mannequins represent, and especially with the shot at the beginning of John standing limp along the mannequins representing how he’s much more fully formed compared to the others. And it’s especially hinted it with his voice line in the trial 2 teaser trailer. Where we hear John screaming at people who are being annoying and threatening to kill them. At first this would seem like it’s referring to what he said in Neoplasm, about killing a bunch of random people who annoyed him. But what he said there was clearly a lie especially how he would’ve immediately been arrested if he did that, and how Mikoto was waiting for a single person to come by at the train station. So then the only explanation I can think of is in that line John isn’t referring to other physical people, but when he was first born referring to the voices of the other fragments. And how he was fearful of them and threatened them and perhaps believing they would hurt Mikoto. It’s also implied that because of this John might’ve repressed them, trying to leave only him and Mikoto (although I’m not sure about the logistics of this). As if the mannequins represent fragments then John killing them in the train could be representative of that, and how he regrets what he did and views his actions as violence. And with him saying “just the two of us, relieved aren’t you?” definitely implies how perhaps he did that to “protect” Mikoto in his own eyes. And when it comes to the physical murder, it’s represented in Double with the mannequin pieces flying outside the train (eg outside of his mind) where interestingly enough John didn’t hit anything himself with the bat. I do think this is interesting though about even if John isn’t the killer physically, what he could’ve done could be considered murder as per milgram tackling topics of wether something can be considered murder or not. And perhaps he wasn’t entirely lying in Neoplasm, but rather twisting the truth or believing that’s what happened.

[@hoyomoon]

As someone with a dissociative disorder caused by secondary structural dissociation, it's scientifically proven that you cannot "kill" fragments or alters. They don't dissapear- if anything, they'd integrate.

[@LanieMae]

@@hoyomooncould you elaborate? I mainly heard about this theory and added onto to it but I’ve heard a lot of people saying something a long the lines could happen but I’m not sure I’m going off what I’ve heard

[@hoyomoon]

@@LanieMae Alters or fragments cannot ever disappear, die, etc. It is only possible that they fuse together (you can research fusion/integration of alters if you want, since it's really hard to explain). I doubt John integrated with a bunch of other alters because that would mean he would have to form a strong relationship with them (ex: be able to communicate with them and share similar beliefs and ideals with them) to eventually fuse together into the same person. DID/OSDD are severe trauma disorders. As we are children, we all have ego states. These ego states are different parts of ourself/emotions/needs (ex: one ego state is hungry, one is mad, etc). At ages 6-9, these ego states fuse together to form one personality- but if there is severe trauma, some ego states may disagree (ex: one ego state can think a caregiver is safe and another may think that they're not). At this point, these ego states split further apart and develop different identities. To protect the person in the body, they usually set up amnesiac barriers as well. These alters cannot kill each other because they'd have to physically interact with the brain's chemistry and functioning which is impossible. It's like saying you can freely seperate your personality into ego states and destroy ego states at will, which you cannot do. Sorry for the long explanation!

[@virtualmushr00m]

@@hoyomoon Can't the alters go dormant? In which case, couldn't John believe that aren't here anymore even if they are. Or he could he lose the ability communicate with them? Genuinely asking. Moreover it also depends how accurate the creators make it too.

[@hoyomoon]

@@virtualmushr00m Yes! But since alters can only go dormant or fuse, if alters "disappear", someone in a system will know that they aren't actually gone. It depends though. I think it is possible that John might think the others are gone but I am unsure.

[@LanieMae]

I absolutely love how this song showed that the alter isn’t actually evil and was only trying to protect Mikoto. DID is so misrepresented in media so it’s good to see something like this take a step in the right direction. Edit: I’m not saying it’s strictly good representation, yes there is problems with it but it is going in a more realistic and sympathetic direction than what it usually is in media

[@artem_wah111]

EXACTLY!!! I was so scared that this was just gonna be another "hehe murder alter" type of deal, so I'm really happy that it's not. I'm friends with a DID system, and I've seen how the media's representation of systems has negatively affected them, so it's nice to see that things might be starting to change for the better :) Edit: I want to make it clear that I'm aware that Mikoto's system is still not perfect representation and that it does still align with unfortunate stereotypes, but it does seem a lot more fleshed-out (if that makes sense?) than other systems portrayed in media. That's what I was referring to in my original comment!

[@VampiricCultist]

I really love this song too! Especially how it takes into account how most people develop DID as a result of trauma/stress, and how the alter is "the protector" or "savior" of the person.

[@kyebunny66]

I'm sorry to break it to you but this isn't the good DID representation you're thinking it is. If you listen to the voice drama the aggressive alter (named John by Es) admits that he's just killing people because he wants to hurt people and take out Mikoto's stress on others. He is definitely not the protective alter you think he is. Yes, he wants to protect Mikoto but from his own (Johns) actions. His argument is that Mikoto didn't commit the crimes so he should not be guilty for them which isn't how systems should work. If one person in a system committed a crime, all of them are responsible. He's definitely guilty.

[@gebbygebbers]

@@kyebunny66 From another DID system, I'd argue that the milgram team is still giving some justice for this condition, acknowledging the alter roles & the diagnosis. With the way Milgram works, not even the voice drama can be judged at face value 😭😭 Forget the story context though! Like just because the guy with DID is guilty, doesn't mean the show is representing it badly. Probably with this, people can explore the concept of writing a DID character too. Milgram's setup allows you to dissect motives within each character, and with Mikoto even more so. (this is like 3 steps ahead of where we wanted this to go: wanting people to know that people with DID aren't monsters) He could just be a first good critique of media (and us on the internet, regardless of having DID or not) failing to address the consequence of this disorder- somehow we always end up with two extremes: Moon Knight, or Split. In the end, you being an alter cannot exempt your host from consequences. And the host shouldn't hide, glorify, blame or rid their alters out of inconvenience. No superpowers to make you sympathize or idolize him, no sugarcoat, nothing. Just some guy and his alter, with an exaggerated example of consequence (murder).

[@LanieMae]

@@kyebunny66 and you really think John/orekoto is telling the truth there? It should be pretty clear that he was acting out as a monster at the start and became more docile after Es wasn’t phased by that, and slipped back into that persona when discussing a sensitive topic such as the murder/s and saying that he did it bc they were annoying him to make himself look like the bad guy and to protect Mikoto from any further stress

[@Oshigatoutoi-everyday]

どんな雰囲気の曲なんだろう…イントロどんな感じなんだろう…曲の中心になるのはどっちの人格なんだろう…ああ色々と楽しみすぎる！！

[@cupidsshots5153]

I feel like the reason they used a train as the place, is because they are the most common public transport used in Japan, and many office workers use it to get to work. And also the fact that every train station layout is the same. Making everyday seem the same, the same routine of going on the train and walking off. If that makes sense 💔

[@crnxyz]

i love how in 1:49 - 2:01 while he's running as Mikoto the drums and guitar are really messy, whereas from 2:02 - 2:16 when he's "John" it sounds more coherent and in-tune with the singing idk what it means just thought it was cool

[@fundsrblx6306]

Good observation i think its like that cause mikoto is stressed 24/7 but john or orekoto isnt cause he’s “protecting” mikoto by preventing his suicidal thoughts (cause he’s overworked and someones breaking point would def be suicide).

[@kyshyl905]

The frustration displayed by the both of them is so lit. Mikoto feels confused and in distraught while Orekoto is feeling kinda guilty for hurting the people around him and Mikoto as well despite having good intentions. The song and va is so nice too holy shit

[@柚季1]

考察とか出来ないけど純粋に1審と2審でこちらの心を揺らごうとさせてくるキャラクター性とか世界観とかが本当に大好きだミルグラム

[@マム-n7j]

サムネが 一審では主格ミコト 二審では他の人格が出たミコト どっちもかっこいいなぁ。

[@Sleepy-Koala]

God I just cannot wait for the voice drama to drop aswell, hes one of the characters that im deeply invested in their story!

[@LanieMae]

So about Mikoto’s motive. I’ve seen a lot of people here say that he probably killed someone because he was stressed and lashes out. Or that John killed a bunch of people who annoyed him (which I highly doubt, but I explained that in another comment). So I wanna talk about a theory for why he killed someone which hasn’t been bought up here that often. It’s kinda hard to explain it here but here’s what I think happened. Mikoto was being stalked by someone, as MeMe has alot of motifs of cameras and being watched, and double has alot of eye motifs. I believe this was likely for sxual reasons as there’s lots of fanservice imagery in MeMe, especially when compared to other characters which have none of that imagery (especially Yuno) so why would Mikoto have both that sort of imagery if it’s not important in some way? I think something happened for Mikoto to realise this and possibly due to prexisting trauma he was particularly affected by this. Possibly to the point he felt like something like this could never happen again and attempted to hunt down the stalker and kill them. That’d explain why he had a baseball bat in a scene that looks premeditated. I’m not entirely sure on this but it could also be that he accidentally killed innocent people (or maybe not so innocent, as he killed a gang member) in a quest to find the true stalker. I believe this is what happened to lead Mikoto to kill, but he was so shocked and traumatised by the whole sequence of events that John took over, inheriting all of Mikoto’s memories of what he did and attempting to shift the blame onto himself. Because he’d never want Mikoto to get hurt for his actions, so he started portraying himself as an evil monster that poor innocent Mikoto has to deal with. Again this is just a theory but I feel like it’s interesting to bring up here as I definitely think he has a much more complex motive than “I just did it because I was stressed”. I feel like I might’ve not given the full context of this theory so I’d recommend checking out the original theory that was made for this which is a comment on the trailer video for double. And I also made a big theory on this on tumblr which you may find interesting.

[@buhnanaaaa]

BRO FINALLY A THEORY ON THIS IVE LITERALLY BEEN SO CURIOUS ABT THIS TYSM UR THEORY IS SO COOL, IVE ALWAYS FELT WEIRD ABT THE THEORY THAT MIKOTO GOT TOO STRESSED SO JOHNS CREATED AND LASHES OUT.. I MEAN IT MIGHT BE TRUE BUT IT FEELS TOO SIMPLE YKWIM

[@Yapuwfou]

I like the idea of Mikoto being the one to start but then John existing simply to take the blame, it gives a new meaning to all the reassurance John is giving in the song and explains why Mikoto is bound by Milgram and John technically isn't (I think John was able to lash out at Es or something, which the milgram prisoners aren't supposed to be able to do).

[@LanieMae]

@@Yapuwfou yeah totally! Especially the lyrics “I’ll take it all on” which can also be translated as “I’ll shoulder/carry it all” which can be interpreted as him taking the blame to protect Mikoto

[@phanthirakositjaroenkul7703]

❤

[@starpeep5769]

omg tysm!!!!!!

[@かなこ-c3b]

1:30 電話してるところの表情が、リアルすぎてしんどい…元々の人格すごく良い子そうに見える

[@runaru522]

「限界シカトして頑張ってたんだな」「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコトはただ認めて励ましてくれる人を必要としていた。ジョンがしたことはミコトの望んだことじゃなかった。とんでもない悲劇だ... それはそうとジョン健気でかわいい

[@ネアンデルタール人-n3j]

ジョンがめちゃボコしてんのがデッサン人形なの好き。デザイン系の仕事してるミコトくんの仕事でのストレスをこんな感じで人をストレス源に見立てて殺してたと思うと…🫶あと全体的にミコトくんに語りかけて歌ってるときのジョンの歌声優しくて泣く🤦‍♀️“俺が守るよ”の部分とか優しい声すぎん？？！？花江夏樹𝑩𝑰𝑮 𝑳𝑶𝑽𝑬______最後の部分ミコトくんに殺人目撃されて絶望してるジョンの顔も怖がってるミコトくんの顔もちゅき😘

[@p0725]

好き........ｯｯ 社会人ミコトが血濡れてるの好き 早く見たいよォ！！！

[@はぴなる-k3n]

2:09 考察とか全く関係ないんですけど、予告ホームランがとても好き…殺意マシマシじゃん…

[@ilairis]

I've been thinking about why we are judging Mikoto and not 'John'. I currently have three theories about it. 1. We are judging Mikoto's passiveness. I don't think Mikoto remembers much (or at all) of what 'John' did, however I do believe that he may be aware that there might be something wrong but is ignoring it. This is also in line with the differences the 10 prisoners has (faithful and unfaithful, bully and the bullied, etc.). Kotoko actively tries to save others while Mikoto dismisses and denies the feeling that there's something wrong since he's been under immense pressure already and what 'John' did may break him down more. 2. Mikoto is the one who killed. I still don't think he remembers. It's either 'John' was born/woke up from dormancy when Mikoto snapped and therefore he doesn't remember that he did it since the immense pressure and stress it gave him makes him break down and 'John' is his protector alter or Im not sure if it's possible to pass memories when 'John' split if it's the time he was born. 'John' wants to save him and protect him thus admitting to Mikoto's crimes since Mikoto doesn't know what he did and he doesn't want Mikoto to break down. This is his difference with Kotoko saving others, and him saving himself. 'John' doesn't want Mikoto to find out about his murder in order to protect his mental state. 3. Mikoto may really not be aware of 'John's' actions. He is the one being judged for he is the 'main personality (? Im not sure of the correct term)' and he has to be held accountable for the actions of the other identities too (I think it's called system accountability?). I'm really not well-versed about DID but I hope I didn't say anything offending;; I'm voting forgive either ways but I really hope the best for 'John' and Mikoto. Both of them looks really tired. I wish I could just hug them.

[@松林-m9t]

「まだまだ」って耐えて頑張っていた自分を守ってくれる新たな人格が思っていた以上に過剰防衛しちゃって、主人格に戻った時に感謝できる状態じゃ無かったとかかな。 第1審でも自分がここにいる意味が分からないって感じだったから、俺がやった事は間違えじゃないしむしろ感謝されることだと思っている、的な。 どちらの人格だか分かる花江さんの歌い方に感無量です！

[@あめ-m1l5j]

0:12 「今日出してた初稿だけどやっぱりB案の方がいいから朝までに作り直しといて」 「あと忘れてたけど例の件赤字たっぷりあるから修正しとけ。これも明日朝入稿だったからまとめてよろしく」 「おい帰ってこい」 「職務を放棄するつもりか？」 憧れてたから尚更辛そうな感じあるなー…

[@小甜品法露露]

ありがとう!

[@星屑グミ]

最近になって気付いたけど、目のハイライトがミコトの時は上、ジョンの時は下になってる気がする…。第一審でも確認したら、そうなってる描写があるので鳥肌たった…。 1:25の所で、ミコトとジョンがそれぞれ顔面ドアップで写るので分かりやすいと思います。 0:48と0:55が目のドアップ見れます。

[@いちお-h4k]

曲の話なんだけど。第一審の一人称は「僕」だったのに第二審だと「俺」になるの天才

[@エル-j1x]

ジョンのおかげやな

[@KJHmoment]

​​@@pozordeti123voice drama

[@なし-c3c8c]

⁠@@pozordeti123you should listen to his new voice drama, and you can understand why his second personality is called John.

[@euanthomas749]

Its like John doe

[@うま-k7n]

一審目はミコト目線が多いけど二審目はジョン目線が多いからなあ

[@らぴ-b5s]

血がついた両手で髪をかきあげた表情天才すぎだろ…！！！！！語彙力死んだわ

[@ハッピーマロン1222]

1:48からのミコトが凄く性癖で好き これは赦せない

[@milgramnerd]

the animation has improved so much... anyways, my thoughts/notes on double - in the beginning, mikoto goes down and the screen starts cracking. in neoplasm, john mentions how mikoto was gonna break from under the stress because he kept it all in. this is also meant to probably resemble johns' split? since he mentions he was just born. - he also starts getting calls and texts from someone called "chief", and since (i assume due to mikoto's personality, i don't think he'd just throw the phone away like that!) mikoto isn't fronting during this, john "throws" the phone away. he might've actually thrown it away, but he probably didn't since the train isn't actually where he killed! (u can see it in undercover) - the mannequins... hm, i think these are actual people, but they may just be mannequins due to either 1) de-reality. derealization is a state of mind where you feel disconnected from your surroundings, and people and objects seem unreal. 2) this can be interconnected with point one, john does not remember the mannequins/people he killed, and his memory is "fuzzy" (he says this in neoplasm i didnt make this up wjkdkdk) 3) john just.. doesn't care? - the doors to when john enters the train are green, but afterwards you can see the doors actually.. aren't. i don't think this is just a simple animation mistake, and it's meant to represent the possibility of a 3rd alter (mido, in this sense). i still believe in 3koto due to the fact this isn't yamanaka's first time writing a sys, and if he made john and mikoto the only alters, it would be very unrealistic. john split in mikotos 20s under stress, and DID forms in the childhood. - 0:38 white is mikoto, and 0:50 black is john. black spiritually symbolizes the unconscious and mystery, while white is a good healing color for the removal of pain and suffering.

[@ひなの-n3m]

ミコトって髪の色が全部ものがってる気がする 就職するから頑張ろうみたいな気持ちで染めた髪はブラック企業でだんだん染める暇も気持ちも余裕もなくなってもう金髪の部分が少なかったり、

[@kanoguri721]

考察とか全くできないからあれなんだけど、アニメーションがマジでダンチで作画良すぎるのと最後のごめんなさいがどっちのごめんなさいなのかわからないところが良い…… 元のミコトなのか、もう1人のミコトなのか、あるいは双方の言葉なのか……

[@コロコロゲーム-r2t]

これ、自己防衛の後にまたたくさんのストレスを抱えてまたジョンに自己防衛をさせるという意味で環状線で地獄のループをしている（麻薬のループみたいな感じで）のと行先が文字化けでバグっているのも心が壊れて何もわからないという表現っぽいな。 ミコト自身が根本的に優しいからジョンも根幹にある優しさが残っていてそれに＋して負の感情による残虐性やストレスによるものがもう一人の人格として形成されているのかな、、、。 最終的にジョンがミコト自身を守るためにストレス発散でメンタルを戻せると思って暴力に移った可能性があると思う。

[@ameliajustvibing3850]

I doubt mikoto's alter will continue killing if he's voted innocent. The song shows the guilt and regret the alter has for making mikoto's life accidentally worse

[@flakops5194]

according to the VD if mikoto’s voted innocent his alter will just straight up disappear

[@jyutoiruma]

if you havent listened to the vd yet, john (mikoto's alter, the name is given by es) gives us two possible outcomes: with an innocent verdict, john will no longer be needed as mikoto wont be in danger anymore. he will likely go dormant and "dissappear" with a guilty verdict, mikoto will stop fronting altogether and probably go dormant, as the stress will become so bad that only john will be able to hold it for them. of course the reality is more nuanced than that, but taking john's words at face value gives us an interesting dillema. going innocent though because he does. not deserve to suffer. neither of them do.

[@tylerclapp9422]

@@jyutoiruma Well. I don't know about "Neither of them". John, be it for Mikoto's case or not, killed at least one to a few innocent people who did nothing nor had anything to do with Mikoto's situation. Let's not forget that from the outside in John had essentially murdered people for no other reason than "they looked at me funny." Understand that this has a greater affect to the people related to the victims, families and loved ones. This would've been a different scenario all together if the people John killed were directly tied to Mikoto's suffering, but unfortunately they weren't. In the world outside of Milgram, the people would not stand for it and demand justice. Mikoto's life is forfeit because of his alter's actions. That said I do want to believe in what John was saying. That he doesn't care what happens to him so long as Mikoto is spared. We're also given the unique privilege of being in a sort of super natural situation to where we could theoretically confirm weither or not John will keep his word and disappear on a forgiven virdict. The ultimate proof of this would be giving John another chance to act out violently... that being giving Kotoko a GUILTY. the one who hurt and harmed Mikoto, now left in a vulnerable position. If he takes NO action, and John does as promised, then this should all ultimately pan out to where Mikoto will be able to move on. There is also the possibility that Mikoto becomes fully aware of the consequences of John's actions as well as John's existence and decides to take responsibility for it all. In short. Due to these circumstances I'm willing to give Mikoto the innocent vote because I as well as many others find Mikoto himself innocent, not John. Should John not follow through on his word and his existence continues to remain active within Mikoto's mindscpe via Milgram's T3 introvideo, then Mikoto will ultimately end up Guilty.

[@cyntheziser]

​@@flakops5194honestly,are we sure orekoto/john knows how to "disappear" ? From what I know about systems (please correct me if i'm wrong!!) orekoto could at the very atleast go dormant.

[@akiraigarashi2874]

@@jyutoiruma Why would you trust a cold blooded murderer tho.

[@ネアンデルタール人-n3j]

ミコトくんには過保護で甘いけど他にはツンツンのジョンとめっちゃ優しくてへにゃへにゃしてるミコトくんの双子がいる世界はどこですか？？ここにはないんですか？？？なんて残酷な世界なんだ…

[@-syu.1955]

やめてくれ…やだぁぁぁぁ…

[@木村高博]

そこになければないので二次創作って()下さい。

[@helloex-6767]

どうしてジョンミコの平和な優しい世界がないの…？この二人の空間を見守っていたいしその空間を吸いたい…((((

[@Toketa_a]

何それめっちゃ見たい

[@-syu.1955]

このコメでそういうイラスト描いたしまったじゃないか！ どうしてくれるんだ！！（？）

[@木下-j6d]

守るためなのマジでつらすぎる…… ミコトもジョンもがちで好きすぎる

[@illusionarieee]

0:01 - 0:02 Mikoto switches to John for the first time 0:59 1st onscreen murder 1:12 - 1:19 John is born 1:26 2nd onscreen murder 1:49 - 1:55 possibly Mikoto trying to run away from the sins he committed / John chasing after someone (possibly trying to kill them) 2:00 3rd onscreen kill 2:13 4th onscreen murder 2:16 - 2:30 conversation between John and Mikoto

[@月陽-h4e]

こんないい曲なのに､ 最高のMVと花江夏樹さんの声で終始ドキドキしてしまった自分がいた

[@suapearls]

He's so real for calling you guys out after saying he somehow "faked" his DID

[@suapearls]

No but seriously how did you ever come to that conclusion 💀

[@starry_lyv]

i hate those type of people

[@placeholderhere]

I feel so sorry for Mikoto+John, Milgram really made them look as guilty as possible in the first trial by giving us almost no context for why John murdered someone, and Mikoto denying it because he mostly has no clue what's going on, except that part was less clear and it seemed like intentional manipulation to most of the viewers instead. Guilty before innocent happened and its ended up not so good. And even now we don't know exactly why John did all of that other than some sort of abstract "I'm protecting myself/Mikoto." along with the voice drama where John said that he killed the "annoying" people nearby him when he was first born, presumably after Mikoto was put under enough stress/trauma through a single big incident or a long term pressure to gain an alter, in which case John might have been lashing out at actual aggressors or just abusiveish people Mikoto hated putting up with? John keeps mentioning that if he wasn't made, then Mikoto would have "exploded" from the stress, which uh.... oof. There's also lines like "I think… I might be the person Boku(Mikoto) wishes he was. The person who stubbornly stands his ground, who doesn’t cry himself to sleep from stress, who gives people their payback." Which suggests some very toxic work environments, and coworkers/bosses that might've been the people John lashed out at, but maybe not since he didn't recognize them but at the same time he admits his memory was blurry from just coming into existence? Its complicated. The most worrying thing right now is that according to the voice drama, voting Innocent will probably lead to John disappearing since he won't be needed to protect Mikoto, which carries risk if the prisoners start trying to kill each other again (probably not since people aren't a fan of Kotoko trying to murder the others, but we do need to worry about Shidou potentially murdering her since he's innocent and able to do more things around the prison, and has mentioned "pulling out that fang" in his song, which Kotoko has called herself before). Voting Guilty will lead to Mikoto supposedly disappearing instead since according to John, all the stress of being guilty has led to John fronting more often, to the point that Mikoto might disappear from being unable to handle the stress? Either way there's not a lot of good options, and if Mikoto/John see this, I'm really sorry that yall were basically set up by Milgram to end up like this, and I just really hope that there's a good ending at the end of all this.

[@Keijikink]

praying that if we vote him innocent it'll make john appear less because he'll be less stressed

[@placeholderhere]

It was almost practically confirmed in the voice drama that John would disappear if Mikoto was voted innocent this time around? "Yeah. If you forgive(vote Innocent) Boku(Mikoto)… I’ll disappear."

[@monbub]

I want to believe in this plan but it's basically meta-voting and I can't bring myself to do that again after seeing how badly it fucked up some of the other characters (mainly amane). I'm just going to go with my guts on this one and hope it turns out okay.

[@LanieMae]

Tbh I think John was lying when he said he’d disappear if Mikoto gets innocent, something like that just doesn’t make sense. Mikoto disappearing if he gets guilty would make more sense as he’d probably go dormant due to stress but something like that wouldn’t happen vice versa

[@starpeep5769]

​@@LanieMaeyeah... im pretty sure thats not realistic DID is it...

[@のの-q2r]

ミルグラムで一番好きかも。優しい声で激しい曲歌うの良いな。 MVも良…

[@ジュン-i7l]

不穏だけどかっこいい 1週間後が待ちきれない！

[@Lee-Tea]

1:53 I just noticed this. If you look at his face while he’s running, you can see his expression is split in half, just like how it was in his trailer cover art

[@Genko0404]

一審のmv改めて見てきたけど、人格の切り替えとも言えるタイミングで、ルーティン的にミコトが頭を叩いてるんだよな。これが演出でなく、人格の切り替えを意図的に起こして、ストレスを発散しようとしてるともとれるわな。

[@一生害]

それがガチならミコトエグすぎる、二重人格自覚してるのに自分何も知らないなんでここに自分がいるの？ムーブしてるってことでしょ怖､､､

[@user-po8po4xq7k]

これがガチならミコトのことめちゃくちゃすきになってしまう

[@スズキ-t3v]

バランス取りは俺の仕事か、ってそういうこと:( ;´꒳`;):gkbr

[@ぬおぉぉぉん]

me meの歌詞の赦すとか明らかに穏やかな方の人格の方が凶暴な方の人格より上って感じだしね

[@Nekasa1123]

無自覚に自傷行為してたらそれが切り替えのトリガーになった可能性を押したいけど無さそう……てそれかもう一人ボクがいるか……てか頭叩いてるとこが見つけらんねぇ観察力が足りぬ！！

[@amarun5600]

ボイドラマジで良かった… MV先に見ても最高だしボイドラ▶︎MVの流れで見るとまた更に最高に楽しめるから本当にマジで最高すぎる 1:18の所ジョンがミコトを客観視して少し微笑んだ後に行動してる感じか｢お前のためにやってやるよ｣感凄くてマジで今回クオリティ高くて本当にMILGRAM最高

[@ytjunimo9536]

彼が「ごめんなさい」と言う部分が本当に私の脳の良い部分に響きました

[@doordonut-.-281]

Same, it did for me as well

[@asntmk]

「全部俺が背負うから」っていうのは、主人格のミコトが犯した罪も背負うってことかなと思うから、主人格も人に手をかけていると思う。。。

[@Toketa_a]

少なくとも人格こそ違えど、行動を起こしてるのはあくまで「榧野尊という体」なことに間違いはありませんからね… それこそ奇跡や魔法でも起きて、ジョンとミコトそれぞれの器が手に入るでもしてない限り…

[@iciarsoto8860]

I am really excited for finally getting more information about Mikoto's crime and character.

[@kiramyssu]

Listened to the Audio Drama and...!!! Even if Jonh (Orekoto) admits to be the murderer, how much he wants to protect and save Mikoto makes me think he could be lying to save him Milgram can recognize them as two different people, so why is it Jonh who is immune to milgram rules? I mean we don't know if Mikoto is immune to it too as he never tried to harm Es but I think this could potentially be a hint At 0:12 it's Mikoto's boss sending him messages notifying him late at night about work due to the morning, Mikoto worked for an abusive company and it kept penting up his stress, on undercover we can see him sleeping on his desk with energy drinks (probably working until late) and on MeMe he falls asleep as soon as he gets home, he was sleep deprived, getting told he wasn't doing enough by his shitty boss and just laughing it all off I think Mikoto could have exploded one day, and killed someone by accident, he blocked this memory due to trauma/was already dissociating (he is not lying about not knowing what is happening) and Jonh is trying to take the blame so Mikoto can be saved (forgiven), otherwise Jonh is saying the truth, and he really ended up releasing pent up stress at someone random when he couldn't really simulate what was even happening, and now feels guilty for getting Mikoto on this situation (But idk I'm not feeling this "someone random" talk) But his way of dismissing his victims make me think he's trying to seem bad on purpose so we put all blame on him and not on Mikoto I think neither of them are bad people (the villain was capitalism all along) so I'm voting to forgive, I can see how much Jonh loves Mikoto Edit: I was rereading his 1st Trial interrogation and it's interesting to think at that point Mikoto still thought this was all a reality show, so him saying he liked the company he worked at, or that he went with a bike to work is more what he wishes was true and as a employee what he should say to make the company look good than his current reality, we see him at a train here and him in front of a train station(?) in MeMe, there's no way this overworked guy could have time to ride a bike to work

[@TheOverkiller]

I completely agree with this! I was already thinking why John, if he did commit the murders, is the one who is immune while Mikoto isn’t.

[@anniex8696]

Also, in Mikoto's interrogation questions he states that he still practises his baseball swing when he's stressed (which is a bit suspicious since the murder weapon was probably a baseball bat) and that he used to be a night person (which is also suspicious since as far as we know all of the crimes have taken place at night) But it is weird since he implied that he didn't go on trains

[@LanieMae]

@@anniex8696I think the train in this is supposed to be representative of his mental world imo

[@LanieMae]

Personally I think that Mikoto’s murder was planned and it wasn’t just “he exploded and killed someone”. The fact that he had a bat in the first place really points to this. Personally I believe in the stalker theory, as there’s lots of cameras and references to being watched in meme and eye motifs in double so I think he killed someone who was stalking him.

[@MARETU_LOVE]

既出だったらごめんだけど 「ただ夢を見ていたんだよ」って歌詞、ミコト(主人格)が寝ててジョン(別人格)が活動してたって意味と殺人鬼に憧れてジョンみたいになることを望んでいたっていう2つの意味があるんじゃないかな？ ボイスドラマで別人格が憧れ的なこと言ってた気がするし

[@takitakis2202]

I’m thinking maybe Mikoto was an office slave who was so overworked that he barely had any time for himself and his dreams which is why in MV1 he comes home and immediately goes to sleep and in this MV he’s more stressed. It’s most likely that Orekoto unleashed the stress that Mikoto faces in his work environment and is the one that is helping Mikoto survive by unleashing that stress and Orekoto thinks that they’re saving Mikoto because that’s his purpose.

[@SoranovaArt]

you are not wrong a comment in Japanese wrote out what was said bless them they have a 12 second time stamp. His phone was being blown up by i think a boss trying him to rework the mistakes his assignments by morning. etc.

[@_-laly-481-_]

@@SoranovaArt Asking him to rework his assignments by the morning and come back to work all that at midnight, yeah

[@Minho_Eamonn]

in MV1, I think he doesn't go to sleep, more like he's crying on his bed sheets...?

[@tubumame]

死体が全部デッサン人形なのは｢所詮ミコトの気を楽にしてあげるためだけの道具｣にしか思ってないからなのかなと思うと…………… ジョンがミコトを大事にしててもミコトには聞こえてない､"一生交わらない2人"なんだなぁ

[@zyne6847]

I just love how we can now clearly see the differences between Mikoto and John in this mv than the MeMe mv, aswell as new physical attributes; Mikoto now has dark under eyes and a few of white hair strands that were not in his first Trial ( probably from the intense stress :'( ) In 0:46 while mikoto sits, the seats beside him are empty and the shine in his eyes are at the top. But at 0:52 where John sits, bodies of mannequins and blood surround him and the shine of his eyes are at the bottom And in 1:12 , we see that mikoto is in a panicked state, gripping his hair anxiously. When John sits apart from Mikoto and sees him, he immediately grabs the bat and is ready to strike anyone as a way to protect Mikoto

[@cinnibunbun7389]

From what it seems, the ‘real’ self is the one full of remorse, the ‘duplicate’ is the identity he had created to protect himself. The question of “So why are you crying,” is being asked by his double, who is only capable of seeing all else as ‘dolls’ (people not of any significance). Miko-Two (double) wishes to be acknowledged as something more than a ‘scoundrel’, the one who was able to preserve Mikoto from his insanity. He resents us for demonizing the both of us.

[@hamgrams]

imo i feel like he’s inno 😭 because mikotwo (double) was made to protect mikoto and when they switch out mikoto isn’t aware of what’s going on ykwim? it’s kinda like “hey, i’ll handle this myself” kinda thing

[@hamgrams]

+ and since mikoto is stressed to the point that he’ll break mikotwo is there instead to kinda like ease the stress?like the stress can be weighed down on mikotwo instead i really hope he’s found innocent bc he just is imo 😭 mikotwo is there to protect mikoto yk? 😭

[@TenmasAgenda]

I think when he talks about being scroundel he talks about us, the viewers calling him a manipulator and liar that made Mikoto do that terrible crimes when in all matters he just wanted to protect Mikoto

[@neidhardt8093]

I know you're not doing this on purpose, but I think you should make sure you're using correct language when describing a System. Saying 'real' and 'duplicate' is implying the Alter is a fake or just a copy, when that isn't the case. Also they aren't 'personalities' either, that's an outdated classification.

[@CanIswearinmyhandle]

The voice drama makes it clear that John was a personality created from Mikotos stress that went out and whacked some random people to blow off steam. John's only goal is to protect Mikoto, who's a people-pleaser, from breaking. Also unlike the first trial Mikoto now knows about his second personality, since the other prisoners confirmed the story. John also tells Es that he'll disappear on his own if Mikoto is voted innocent, again since his only goal is to protect Mikoto

[@number1mikotofan]

2:25 "if only I were never born, if only" woah there ☹

[@ghoulaug]

I love how the light in his eyes flips depending on who's fronting 😩

[@espresso_beans]

Wait I just noticed that omg

[@musekinin._.25]

電車の窓のあかりの有無で表人格か裏人格かを判別出来るけど、裏人格はずっと無表情でまったく心情が読めないけど、表人格は苦笑いだったり、焦ってるのが分かるから見てると感情がぐちゃぐちゃになるの好き