MILGRAM / Kazui - Cat [The Second Trial Music Video]

[@Hittingonall6s]

When I read "OLD MAN YAOI??" on the live chat I started cry laughing

[@ely.lingss]

fr the live chat is so unhinged lol "KAZUI R34 🔛🔝" "BRO THINKS HES A DANGANROPA CHAR" "LEAVE HIM PLEASE I CAN TREAT YOU BETTER" and also that one person spamming about mikoto 😭😭 i can't with this fandom

[@penbfdia]

I WAS SPAMMING OLD MAN YAOI

[@ely.lingss]

@@penbfdia SO IT WAS YOU

[@penbfdia]

@@ely.lingss YES…

[@penbfdia]

@@ely.lingss actually it was like me and my friend grouo but YEAH..

[@penbfdia]

i made a sign that says “i ♥️ you kazui” and im planning to carry it around like a crazy person

[@宮本京-n2g]

皆が言うようにカズイがゲイなら奥さんが死ぬのも説得力が生まれるんだよな 「他に好きな女性が出来て浮気してしまった」と「実は男性が好きで君のことは別に好きでもなんでもなかった」 じゃダメージがまるで違う

[@user-youmou_]

1度でも見て選んでもらえたのとそもそも初めから眼中にもなかったとじゃ大分違いますよね…

[@tukihotaru2193]

そういえばボイスドラマでエスの事カズイは色目で見て殴られていたなぁ…

[@くるみるみ-d4f]

​@@tukihotaru2193それってどっちのボイスドラマの話ですか？

[@ルン-h2l]

ゲイならフータを助けた所でわざわざ言うのも納得かもと個人的に思ってます

[@khiroko0329]

@@tukihotaru2193第2審の6分前後ですね！

[@BakedBeans243]

Never ever forget the title is probably referencing the fact that cat or “Neko” is used as a term for a submissive gay man (essentially a bottom) in Japan , they literally queercoded the title , the closet is made of glass.

[@BakedBeans243]

It has been two months but I would like to add that further more when he says “I want to be loved by a cat” this by association with the term “Neko” means that Kazui wants to be dominated so in conclusion Kazui is not just gay but a bottom thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[@mochimochi8251]

Read this when first watching the MV, I had just gone over his marriage part and I was like "huh" Now this comment won't leave my head no matter what I do

[@excalibuur9925]

​@@BakedBeans243 NEKO KAZUI REALL

[@namkwal]

@@BakedBeans243 this is incredibly real

[@菊花-k5f]

MV見て声がいいとか本人の恋愛対象とか色々あるけどとりあえず何が一番しんどいかって、『恋人への愛が重すぎて相手を死に追いやった恋する女の子』の次に『好きになった人に告白どころか相手への気持ちすらも押さえ込んで生きていかないといけなかった男』をぶん投げてくるところよ

[@dexterousli]

Over a year later, I want to say something about the dove. People have been saying it represents peace (as it does as a cultural icon) or Kazui and Hinako's marriage. However, if we note that the mask Kazui wears in half resembles modern versions of a Colombina mask from the Commedia dell'Arte, then the dove would represent Kazui's farce--his ultimate "trick" that he shows to Hinako. I'd go more into Colombina as a specific character for Kazui and the implications thereof, but it'd be way too long for a normal KZbin comment. Instead, I'll just say that "colombina" literally means "little dove," so it's a perfect tie-in to the "magician" theme they give Kazui here in Cat!

[@thechibilitwick7464]

besides the forbidden fruit symbolism and whatnot, i actually like that it's specifically a green apple used to represent kazui... like from the surface it stands out against the rest of the red apples, but in the end it's still just an ordinary apple. kazui being gay or even just not fitting into the norms of masculinity/society may be seen as unconventional, but none of it makes him any less of a person. (and knowing kazui he probably knows that but just refuses to apply it to himself cuz hypocrisy) anyways happy pride month old man yaoi

[@lukexkai]

That sounds so sad but at the same time so true... Kazui would think that for sure, just like being gay doesn't change the fact that he is a human but he can't stop thinking that is because of that the reason why his family hates him, Hinako killed herself and he were there alone only with his lies...

[@Resp_wn]

it also shows that he is fruity. bravo milgram

[@fromtheolivetrees]

Y’all know that all the discussions we have, that they can all see this. Kazui’s seeing all the gay theories lmwo

[@mariabravo2705]

Yes, and I love that

[@guyturtle]

I mean we had only S1 guilty ones + Yuno mention the voices. Kazui had pretty much ignored it in his voice drama. I mean, he mentioned that he is disappointed that milgram hadn't solved his scenario, so I guess he's never heard of bartender shippings. But that's just a theory.... A GAAAAAAAY THEORY

[@fromtheolivetrees]

@@guyturtle dang, I really hope he mentions them in T3, it would be so funny. But I do wonder if he has heard the bartender shippings and he’s saying it’s a different story (I hope not though, he’s currently King Yaoi the 4th in my heart)

[@antihappy746]

｢愛して欲しかった猫みたいに｣ 猫は甘やかされ可愛がられるまさに愛玩動物って感じで、カズイさんは大人としてとか守ってやるみたいな逞しさや男らしい発言が多い気がする 大人としての責任はそりゃ感じてるだろうけどそういうのを抜きにして甘えられて愛してくれる相手と本当は付き合いたかったのかもしれない 直前に｢あなたに愛されるのが理想なんだった｣って言ってるし

[@コロコロゲーム-r2t]

これ、、同性愛者として見るならcatってタチネコのネコ（立ち位置的に女性）として見れるし歳的に理解をしてくれるのが難しい年代だからずっと隠し続けるってのも理解ができる。 これは確実にこじつけだけどcatになれない（no）を付けるとcan'tになる。

[@コロコロゲーム-r2t]

これ、、ネコみたいに愛して欲しかったって言ってるからより答えに近づいてしまった感が…

[@restart906]

天才か？？？その解釈大好きだわ

[@ねこのここねここのこねこのこ]

あー、そう考えると途中の女性的な言い回しも大分納得するな…初めはそういう感じの演出かと思ったけど同性愛者で内面は女性側に近しいと考えると… 途中で女性の声あるんだけどそこの歌詞が｢言えないようなしたい事 飲み干して仕舞わなきゃ｣だから俺個人の中ではかなり有力説になってきちゃった…

[@Nekasa1123]

2:08 の「普通じゃない」が「I can't be normal」なのが性的指向の意味でのノーマルになれないだったりするのかなとか考えてみたり

[@ecowo57]

I came back to watch this during pride month

[@ecowo57]

I just had a dream where they posted the song from the third trial. They confirmed Kazui is gay, but they used a Naruto opening to show it 😭

[@ecowo57]

btw in case I predict something, he started the MV looking at a mirror where he was with a man at the bar

[@loveice-cream4392]

this feels like something that is ridiculous but actually makes sense. the mental image was amazing

[@ValentinaxEdits]

I need to see this now

[@naph.iee88]

HEAR ME OUT HEAR ME OUT. So everyone is saying "he ate the bird he ate the bird" The dove at the end is actually the ring. Start of the video, he turns the ring into the dove. At the end of the video he eats that dove. That dove represents the ring, their marriage. He destroyed their marriage hence why he "ate" the dove. Edit: Also i think the reason its a dove is because the symbolism of it, it means freedom and in this case it can be because marriage, seen by most people and i think kazui too, as something that limits your freedom. Yet another edit: Another thing could be that Kazui wanted affection (shown in the lyrics) but maybe he didnt want the commitment. "Loving affection (minus) Love, its tacky" I feel like Kazui really wanted the affection that an agreement such as marriage and such would provide but didnt actually want the commitment of the relationship or maybe it was just that he did not love the woman back whichs a possibilty. "I just got a little greedy" I think that he used the woman for her affection and such and didnt love her back. "I want to be loved just like a cat" im still not sure what exactly that means but again, it could be the attention and affection you put into your cat maybe if its like a street cat, you feed it and pet it without any attachment and such.

[@4wingedowl]

well at least it wasnt a dead dove

[@sandmaru]

I think your right but I also think at the same time the dove also represents his "trick" (him lying about how he felt) and eating it could then also show how he maybe revealed the information thus destroying his trick and the marriage

[@flodotstatix]

No literally this. Literally this. I get the shock at first but it's such a clear metaphor for the death of their relationship it's not even funny

[@foderis8777]

​@@flodotstatixHe tore up the bird, same how he tore apart their Marriage.

[@naph.iee88]

@@sandmaru yeah that makes so much sense he would be exposing the whole trick situation alongside the whole divorce thing at the end which is the end of the video, the dove scene! I never thought of that before

[@asogizer505]

congratulations to kazui for having the best styled mv and theme ever

[@doordonut-.-281]

So true 🎉🎉🎉he looks so sauve here

[@SiSoz]

Honestly a 1 up on all this MV was built from 🙌

[@akitotolilbro]

real

[@commonirony60]

Ngl Kazui is the first one where I’ve loved both the first and second trial videos equally (not that the others aren’t also fantastic, I just tend to prefer one over the other)

[@Someone-zn4dh]

Legit, I actually could not make myself stop watching it. Its just so eye-pleasing

[@ao44411]

恋について歌ってる第一審で遠巻きにしていた青リンゴが、第二審では ・手に取る ・自分の足元に転がってくる ・1:45あたりのグラスに映る自分の顔に置き換わる 2曲通じて自分を散々普通じゃない、異質だと言っており、大量の赤リンゴに青リンゴは1個などの対比から、 青リンゴ＝”普通”から逸脱している自分の恋心 赤リンゴ＝奥さんをはじめ周囲の普通の恋愛観の人々 触れたりどうこうしてはいけないが、常に意識してしまう片想いの象徴か その青リンゴが顔に置き換わる1:45、お酒を背景にバーにいる時の格好をしている バーとお酒に焦点を当てて見ると、まずバーで携えてるのは一貫してウイスキー また一審では恋の相手は空席の椅子で置き換えで、二審でも恋心を告白する際に相手の姿はちらっとも出ないが、代わりにあのバーのウイスキーがある ウイスキー＝バーでの時間、そこで会う人物が本命 カモフラージュで女性を伴って通ってたが、情+相手からの恋愛感情+普通を装う偽造という都合の良さで結婚したため、バーに思うように行けなくなり想い焦がれが募っている？ 世間体装うために結婚しといて素行不良に見えることはしないだろうし 以上家でのワイン↔バーでのウイスキーの対比からの邪推 結婚指輪をタバコに換えてわざと火を消す、また鳩に置き換えてわざわざ目の前で荒っぽく食い殺してるってのは、情はあったし暴力振るったりしないとはいえ、フラストレーション溜まってよっぽどショック与えて傷つけてやりたくなってしまったのかなぁ お前なんて口寂しさを埋めるための消耗品だって 結果奥さんはおそらくメンタル崩壊して身投げ バーならバーテンダーがいるものだが、このバーテンダー、一審ではカズイと直接コミュニケーション取っている描写はない でも二審では結婚式の客のセンターにいる 招待するほどなら仲がいいんだろう しかもこの場面でセンターとか、よっぽどこの場にいてほしかったのかいてほしくなかったのか、誰よりも注目しているような表現 そして面と向かって相対する描写が徹底してない片想い相手 この男、 まだまだ本心隠してる？

[@めるも-d6x]

一番しっくり来ました…。 バーのシーン、好きって言ったら〜の時、正面向いてないですか…？ それってバーテンダーの人が居る方向ですよね…。 もしかしたらカズイはそもそも異性愛者じゃないとか…？

[@ao44411]

かなーと思っちゃうんですよね…… このMVのモチーフに手品が入ってるのも気になるんですよ…… 手品の極意って、一部分で派手なパフォーマンスをして目を引き付けておくことで肝心なとこからは注意をそらさせるミスディレクションなので…… この場合結婚という茶番が手品だったんだろうけど、MVの内容自体もパフォーマンスがかってるので……

[@めるも-d6x]

@@ao44411 まさにミスディレクションですよね、奥さんとの結婚式のシーンがやけに派手だったのとかもうそうとしか思えないです… コトコの襲撃から女性のマヒルじゃなくて真っ先にフータ庇ってるのもなんか気になってたんですよね…わざわざジャッカロープが言及してましたし…この男沼が深過ぎます…

[@kaju_jino]

しかも結婚式で拍手してるバーテンダーさんの左手薬指に指輪があるので、カズイさんの想い人(推定)は既婚者かつ異性愛者ということになりますね……

[@こたぽんこずえ]

カズイさんの曲で1番多い表現でマジックがあって、 マジックはBARでもあるから、もしかしたら本当にバーの人に恋してるかもね……

[@anothersecret08]

HE BEAT THE CHEATING ALLEGATIONS BUT NOT THE HOMOSEXUAL ONES!!!!!!!!!!!

[@espresso_beans]

REAL

[@ely.lingss]

he'll never beat the gay ones ❗❗

[@samalacha590]

Happy pride to our silly little cat boi 🫶🏳️‍🌈✨️

[@gremin9541]

I can’t wait until the interrogation comes out and it’s just Kazui sitting down with a crooked smile, smoking a cigarette, with the same smooth voice as ever and he finally asks Es why they voted him innocent for what he did. Out of all the prisoners why they overlooked him for what he did. Not angry. Not sad. Just curious. And Es looks him dead in the eyes and asks “hey, are you gay or what man.”

[@haveanicedaymyself3087]

SORRY THIS IS SO FUNNY GKFKFKDK I WANT THAG TO HAPPEN

[@gremin9541]

I’m crying all the comments are about the gay theory. We’re really in it this time Kazui……………….. I personally believe in the theory of Kazui merely attempting to be “normal” by rushing through his marriage and trying to find a perfect pure love and achieve the happiness he saw other people achieve, putting on a mask and a facade, that fell down the moment for once in his life he decided to be honest and that ended up breaking his wife because the truth was that he never truly loved her for “her”. It’s hinted that he wanted to be caressed, and caress, the fact is that through their time together he couldn’t even stand to learn to “truly” love her for anything more than her body but maybe it’s even more than that. Maybe he’s lonely and was accepting of anyone’s warmth were they willing. But, like, you can see what happened. Because he never truly loved her and was greedy and wanted more than just her. Whatever that means. Be it physically, or emotionally, he couldn’t give her back her love and he wanted to like the song title who wanted to be indulged, and selfish and have freedom instead of being held down. he lied to her face thinking that lie of happiness would inevitably would become the truth and while she was happy he was boiling on the inside, slowly breaking apart. But, it never did and he snapped. I think he did care for her truly. A platonic type of love. I want to believe Kazui truly does know better now and he did know better to or rush into a relationship or pretend for the sake of anyone else ever again, it’s just that now he hates himself for what he did, and he’s going to live with that hate with the rest of his life and wear his wedding ring like a albatross around his neck if we don’t tell him it’s okay. I think that people can change. That he deserves to be innocent because he knows what happened and what he did was wrong by leading her along with his feelings that weren’t there. That he needs to learn that living a truthful life is okay, too. If he had done that from the start, it would’ve been okay and he never would’ve needed to lie, and the truth wouldn’t have hurted so much, but the truth wasn’t the problem. his only crime is holding out for so long on the lie he kept to spare her feelings instead of telling her the truth from the get go since he bought her expectations so high when they broke apart it ended up in her death. He never needed to be normal. Just go on Grindr, old man. I hate how it’s canon that the prisoners canonly hear voices whispering to them. He’s going to be hearing “homosexual homosexual gay gay gay homosexual” every time he goes to sleep.

[@gremin9541]

if he is gay though he wanted that bartender from half carnally

[@aureus3234]

Why does everyone believe in the gay theory?? It just does not make any sense. Everyone is thinking too much!! He's just a manipulative liar who masks his true self. "I want to be normal"? *It's all lies.* Why do you all believe it? He confesses to lying yet everyone believes everything he says? He just wants to be loved like a cat. Someone that is loved unconditionally, someone who is cherished, someone who is loved in the way he wants or when he wants, just like a cat.

[@watertastesgood5578]

​@@gremin9541OMG YOU'RE RIGHT. I FORGOT THAT THEY CANONICALLY HEAR US.

[@ゆう-j1z3l]

自分の考察は、他の人の考察と少し違うところがあります。 具体的には以下の2点 1.同性愛者なのを自分からカミングアウトしたのではなく、意図せずして奥さんにバレた。 2.奥さんとの婚姻関係は本気で続ける気だった(本気で同性愛者である事は隠し通すつもりだった)。 1つずつ説明すると、 1.同性愛者なのを自分からカミングアウトしたのではなく、意図せずして奥さんにバレた。 この考えが出た一番の原因は2:33のシーン、カミングアウトしたにしてはヤケに焦りが前に出た表情をしてる。 →本来カミングアウトすると決めたのであれば、婚姻関係を結んでいる以上その後に軽くないゴタゴタがあるのは想像にかたくない。つまり、自分で言い出すということは相応の覚悟を決めているはず。であれば、話し合いの場において、あそこまで焦ったような、それこそカズイさん自身が恐怖を感じているような表情をするのは腑に落ちない。 その疑問から、動画内のシーンを基に以下のように考える。 本来は酔ってバラすつもりの無い本心を冗談めかして言った言葉(動画1:13)を、奥さんの関係者か何かに聞かれて、奥さんに意図せず伝わってしまい問い詰められたんじゃないかな？ それをフォロー(誤魔化)してるのが、2:33のシーンかなと。 2.奥さんとの婚姻関係は本気で続ける気だった(本気で同性愛者である事は隠し通すつもりだった)。 →逆張り好きなので、ちょっと強引。また、1の考察を前提に進めていくのであしからず。 まず最初の歌詞「嘘をつけ 楽になるまで 〜」の楽になるまでは、死ぬまで嘘を突き通すことを示しているのかなと感じました。 理由は既婚者が別の人への恋をしている際に「楽になる」ゴールは存在しないからです。つまり、明確にゴールがない状態でこのセリフが出てくるのは些か妙だなと感じました。 なので、基本的にカズイは婚姻関係の解消は全く考えてなかったんじゃないでしょうか。 また、今回のMVに出てくる手品道具ですが、これらは基本的に奥さんに向けて披露してるものになります。 これを騙す為の悪意ある嘘と捉えることも可能ですが、自分は手品道具＝相手を喜ばせるもの、と捉えて話を進めます。 動画内で、奥さんと机で向き合って話すようなシーン(動画内1:32)など見ると複数の種類の道具を使っていますが、これは夫婦関係を円満に進めるために数々の努力を示しているのではないでしょうか。 そして、もし手品道具＝婚姻関係持続のための努力説が正しかった場合、2:04の手品道具と共に崩れ落ちるシーンは、2:33のフォローを行った際にその全てが通じなかったことを暗示しているように思えます。 今まで行ってきた努力の数々、それらが意図せず伝わってしまった同性愛者疑惑を晴らすには一切有効でなかったために崩れ落ちた。 以上のことを踏まえて、カズイについて自分の考えをまとめます。 カズイは同、もしくは両性愛者でありバーのマスターに恋をしていた。が、時代など事情もあり奥さんとの結婚を選択。結婚を選んだからには必ず隠し通そうと考えて、夫婦円満でいられるような小さな努力を重ねてきたが、ある日バーにてこぼれてしまった本心を、他人に聞かれ人づてに奥さんに知られる。 あくまでも、婚姻関係を維持することを考えたカズイはあの手この手でフォローするが、奥さんの気持ちや疑惑、不安を解消するには至らず、奥さんが自殺。 上記を踏まえた疑問、矛盾。 1.動画内で出た「本当の愛を掴むため」とは？ →世間一般でいう本当の愛＝異性愛であれば、納得できるが断定材料がない。 2.婚姻関係を大切にしてた割には、「吐き気のするお飯事〜」のような発言はおかしい →自虐なのかなと。必死に取り繕っている歪な婚姻関係を、両方向からの愛で生まれたものでない＝お飯事と自嘲している。 吐き気のする、という形容も結婚生活よりも自分に向けてのベクトルが強いのだと感じました。 3.被害者と加害者でいいだろ、という発言 →これも恋人関係の始まりから常に自分は相手を騙してきたという、自分を皮肉ったものと感じた。 以上、長文ですみませんが、自分の考察でした。皆さんの笑いの種になれれば幸いです

[@hansnacht6080]

I think these are some really nice theories.

[@Arian-11]

Aaah, thank you. I had pretty much the same analysis, but you really helped tie things together. I think that things had been going relatively smoothly in their relationship, with her being impressed by his 'tools and tricks' but one day as he continues to dissuade her, the thought of the bartender metaphorically 'rolls under the table' and he catches it, showing that that is where his real priorities are. That same day (since he's wearing the same clothes in the bar scene scene I believe) he drunkenly confesses. I was confused if he told her or not but the idea that someone overheard makes a lot of sense given the scene of him falling to his knees and stumbling that I couldn't fit into my time-line. He was clearly distressed as his lies/efforts were torn away and fell useless to the floor. From there he grows tired and let's his resentment of their marriage and his performing out, telling her himself. This horrifies her, leading her to stumble backwards and seemingly fall off the balcony. Thus, in a way, Kazui 'killed' her.

[@なななな-z1w]

なんとなくですが、本当の愛を掴むためとのところ 騙し続けていた妻ではあったけれど、人間としては愛していたんじゃないかな〜って。恋人よりも家族とか友人に近いような愛だった。 性愛を抱くことはできなかったけれど、結婚生活を喜ぶ彼女を見て本当に嬉しかったし、本当に心から『愛』してはいた。 そんな彼女だからこそ、騙し続ける生活を続けていればもしかしたら普通の異性愛者のように愛せて『本当の愛』を掴めるんじゃないかと思っていた〜みたいな意図かなって…

[@onenightheart]

@@Arian-11 this theory is ripping me UP! thank you for this clarity.

[@nume_name_none]

カズイさんやっぱりゲイだと思うんですよ そして本当に不貞行為自体はしていない (追記:ゲイじゃなくてトランスかもしれないしまだ色々可能性はあるけど少なくとも世間一般の言う男らしさを求められるのは嫌だろうなって感じ) halfも浮気の歌だとしたら合わない歌詞が多かったしそれよりは片思いの相手に向けてる感じ それこそ同性の友達とかに言うような歌詞もあったし MVで女性の体に手を回してる時も触れないようにしてた辺り女好きとか浮気も平気でするとかみたいなタイプじゃない 年齢(ミルグラム開始時39歳)考えれば同性愛が今よりも酷く扱われてた時代に生きてたわけだしその頃は世間もまだほとんどは結婚して子供を産むのが正しい人生って認識だったはず 奥さんと結婚して子供こそ作れなくても愛しているように生きてたけど辛くなってカミングアウトしたら奥さんが結婚も愛も嘘だったことに絶望して自...した halfのラスサビで画面外して最後に仮面つけ直してるのは正直にカミングアウトしたら人を傷つけてしまった(死なせた)からそれでまた本心を隠すようになったんだと 嘘をつき続ければよかったってのはこれが理由だと思う(第一審尋問) 子供の頃から本心を言ったことがない(ドラパ意訳)って言ってたのは自覚してからず〜〜〜っとストレートのフリをしてきたからってのが主だと思う 弱さを許容してほしいとは思うとも尋問で言ってたしね あとはユノちゃんとの会話で好きな異性のタイプを答えて嘘だと見抜かれてたり アンダーカバーのMVでは奥さんの遺体を抱えて嘆き叫ぶようなシルエットだったので人としては好いてたと思う 嘆きが後悔か懺悔かはわからないけど 本心を隠して奥さんを愛する夫として暮らしてたのも赦さないって言われたらどうしようもない ついでに猫は愛玩動物の代表みたいなところあるから愛されたい気持ちの現れとカズイさんはネコなんだろうなって感じでダブルミーニングだと思いたい 俺で妥協してくれませんか...？

[@ck-rw9cw]

この考察しっくり来ました！

[@flowerene2630]

ああ、同意します!!

[@ヘラジカ-j1h]

最高の考察班いたーーーー!！🎉🎉🎉

[@あいな-e7l]

すごく府に落ちました最高の考察ですね

[@毛玉鳥-v7x]

すごくいい考察だと思ったらただの長めの愛の告白だったんだが

[@kurukuru_mawaruM]

この曲のタイトルは確かに"Cat"だけど、CDジャケットに書かれた英語タイトルは"Just like a cat"、しかもそのフレーズは「愛してほしかった　猫みたいに」"I wanted to be loved just like a cat"に現れているから、この曲の本題ってこのワンフレーズに込められてるんじゃないかな……

[@kurukuru_mawaruM]

個人的には、この「猫」を解釈するにあたって、その後の「気まぐれ」って単語、随所に現れる本来多用しすぎるとあまり良い印象を抱かれない言葉(「叶うのかしら」の英訳に"like"って使われてるけど、これって「えーと……」という意味で多用すると良い顔されない)を重く受け止めたいと思ってる 他の人がコメントしているように、性的嗜好を表す意味でばら蒔いたなら、一審楽曲の態度や物を隠すような表現の割にはかなり安直すぎると思う

[@ヌボギョストランチェ]

最後の鳩を食い殺したところ、鳩と言えば平和の象徴だけど平穏だった夫婦生活を自分で壊してしまったってことかな

[@あおい-d1o6g]

それに奥さんは絶望したんだな…やっぱり自殺に追い込んだのか…

[@tukihotaru2193]

@@あおい-d1o6g2:47の様子を見ていると『飛び降りた』んじゃなく『突き落とされた』に見えるんだけど真相はどうなんだろうね？

[@kurukuru_mawaruM]

​@@tukihotaru2193 ひょっとしたら「絶望のどん底に」突き落とされたのかもしれませんし、物理的にそうされたのかもしれませんね……

[@sommelier_]

0:17 の衣装とかからも、カズイさんは警察官だったことがうかがえるんですが… 平和を守る職の人が鳩を食い殺すって表現とんでもないですよね……

[@ブリッジ蜘蛛歩行型のゴキブリ]

全員が人殺しってことはワンチャン嫁さん喰い殺してたり………

[@iluVioletLink]

Hello everyone. I would like to touch on a choice of words Milgram creators used for "Lie until it gets better, follow the king of the masquerade". While the word "Masquerade" thematically fits Cat's MV, the actual Japanese word they've used is actually "Kyougen", which could explain a little more into Kazui's narrative as a whole. Most of this information is from Wikipedia so my explanation will be VERY brief... Kyougen, or "Mad Words", is a form of traditional Japanese comic theater. (You can hear the word Kyougen being sung everytime the word Masquerade pops up in the lyrics.) Kyougen is usually played within Noh (another form of Japanese theatre, Nogaku), and is supposed to be an "intermission" sequence that happens in-between Noh. While Noh is formal, symbolic, and solemn, has serious singing/dancing, Kyougen is "comedic" - the main goal is to make the audience laugh. More elements of Kyougen include "stock characters (less than three actors)" and elements of slapstick and satire. It's interesting to note that actors in Kyougen don't wear masks unless you play as an animal (or a god) clashing the meaning of Milgram's official usage of "masquerade". Kyougen has parallels with Greek satyr play, which is also a style of comical play performed between tragedies. So with this information, it makes sense why half is presented in a melancholic light, and Cat is more upbeat and jazzy (half would be Noh and Cat would be Kyougen). I hope you can keep this in mind while analyzing/theorizing about Kazui! I don't think we should disregard their official usage on using "Masquerade" since the fun of Milgram is judging everything under your interpretation, but I also think making this difference can be important to understanding more things about Kazui. I bring this distinction up because I personally think that using "masquerade" is too general. Letting people know what the JP word for it is can give us more context and clues regarding this silly cat. Do you think T3 Kazui MV could turn back into a dramatic/melancholic style? EDIT: useful tidbits about Kyougen I found through a Japanese user's comment + adding more info about Kyougen from @/herm8281. Keep in mind this was paraphrased from a google translation. - Kyougen can also mean a "fabricated story that is a lie"/"something done to deceive people and gain profit from them" - Kyougen is a dialogue based drama, does not use complex equipment, and places emphasis through words and gestures - Stories are taken from every day life/folktales as its subject matter, focusing on human habits and essence -much of the humor comes from a clear understanding that the characters are not acting properly, which is very different from a masquerade. look up "kyougen laughter" to see what i mean. -the satire in kyougen usually involves the deception of privileged individuals, like nobles or kings. -while most japanese people are familiar with kyougen as a concept, it's not all that popular in the modern day. Also, another important detail I forgot to mention. If I remember correctly, the "follow the king of the masquerade" line accurately translates to "imitate the Kyougen actor" which brings a slightly different meaning from the ENG line.

[@yowl999]

Thank you for your explanation! This is super interesting! I also love the Fates icon lol. Flora’s great. I think it’d be really cool if it turned melancholy again, though I’d also love to see it make a surprise happy twist if he is voted inno … Good luck Kazui!!!!!!

[@choisok]

This was very helpful and interesting, thank you!!

[@rasen7721]

its also an ado album (in general milgram translations take Certain Liberties and id always recommend reading up on other interpretations)

[@darkfoxmania]

it depends if he's forgiven or not

[@herm8281]

more information on kyougen from someone who just studied it as part of a japanese class in japan this summer: -much of the humor comes from a clear understanding that the characters are not acting properly, which is very different from a masquerade. look up "kyougen laughter" to see what i mean. -the satire in kyougen usually involves the deception of privileged individuals, like nobles or kings. -while most japanese people are familiar with kyougen as a concept, it's not all that popular in the modern day. not sure how much connection these facts have individually, but i did want to add to OP's great post shedding light on an important aspect of the translation!!! -

[@Luxito5476]

For the ones who think Kazui cheated: He confirmed in his voice drama that he didn't, that wasn't his crime. He said that he's been lying since he was a kid. When he stopped lying, that truth "killed" his wife. I've read a theory that says that Kazui is actually in love with the bartender. If you pay attention when Kazui says he's drunk and "What if I told you that I like like you?" he was probably at the bar. He's drinking something different from what he's drinking with his wife in the next scene. When he sees his wife through the alcohol glass he sees himself with the outfit he had at the bar with the green apple replacing his head. To me, that green apple represents Kazui's homosexuality. So maybe he got drunk and couldn't hide the truth about his homosexuality anymore. Another small hint is that in his new voice drama, he said he never had kids even though he's an "old" man who's been married for a long time. Kazui is guilty of homosexuality. I rest my case.

[@kishistuff1376]

Rather than the “homosexuality” part shouldnt it be about lying about it ?

[@thatminer7174]

​@@kishistuff1376yeah it would likely be constantly lying and with the "why cant i be normal" thinking he needs to repress it till it came out and so his wife realized that the entire time it wasnt real love from him, it was just him using her and then instead of being honest with her keeping the lies up.

[@De_Lune8002]

I dont understand the green apple being homosexuality Can someone explain please?

[@obyn6751]

A comment I saw somewhere else said that the green apple appearing over his head in that scene might have been a reference to "The Son of Man" painting by Magritte, and looking at what the painter said about that, it seems to fit thematically with Kazui's whole deal: "You have the apparent face, the apple, hiding the visible but hidden, the face of the person. It's something that happens constantly. Everything we see hides another thing, we always want to see what is hidden by what we see. There is an interest in that which is hidden and which the visible does not show us. This interest can take the form of a quite intense feeling, a sort of conflict, one might say, between the visible that is hidden and the visible that is present." So I don't think the apple itself isn't a representation of him being gay necessarily, more just of his hidden nature, his facade.

[@sub.titles]

right before this "what if i said i like like you" scene you could hear the drink being prepared too.... 👀

[@mitukasama1179]

mv見る度にあるドラマの「同性を愛することもそれを隠すことも非難されるべきではないが、間違いなくそれによって悲劇（殺○）を生んでしまった」というセリフを思い出す…

[@さわしま]

動画とボイスドラマから考察 めっちゃメモ書き程度の考察です まずボイスドラマから ・エスの「不貞だろ？」に対し「不貞（浮気や不倫）にすらなれなかった」 →カズイの片思いで終わっている恋心がある ・指輪を外したことを指摘されると、ようやく外して良くなったとまるで指輪が枷になっていたかのような発言 →奥さんとの結婚生活が精神的に重かった ・子供はいない 動画から ・奥さんからカズイとの恋愛が始まった様子 ・シャンパングラスに映るのが奥さん→緑りんご頭の男性に →緑りんご頭の男性と奥さんを重ねて見ている →カズイさんの好きな人は男性？ ・結婚式のシーンで真ん中に映る男性は髭の形からカズイではない、カズイと別の男性だとわかる これらを総合して考えて、カズイは男性に恋をしていた。しかも奥さんと関係のある人。 個人的には男性は奥さんの兄弟とかなのかなと思いました。 また発見があったら随時コメントします…

[@restart906]

カズイさんが好きだった人が奥さんの兄弟だとしたら気づかないうちに 奥さんと兄弟の似ている部分を重ねて見ちゃってたんだろうな… しんど…この考察最高です… ありがとうございます…

[@YU-yl9lr]

シャンパングラスに映った奥さんが男性に変わるシーンの話なんですが、服装がhalfのバーでのカズイと一緒なので、流石にカズイ自身なのかなと思いました…

[@あああう-c4y]

0:45 「本当の愛を掴むためだ、嘘もつくだろ」って歌詞めっちゃ良いな。 本当の愛を手に入れるための手段に嘘を選んじゃうのがカズイっぽくてはちゃめちゃに好き。

[@tiramisu7440]

Important note! Kazui and his wife are very likely to both be in the criminal investigation bureau 1st division (刑事部 捜査第一課). This is based on the red band on their arms which the police from that department wears. That means that both of them investigate criminal activities such as murder, robbery, SA, arson, kidnapping, violence, etc.

[@foderis8777]

oh god they're all connected and all the prisoners will have connected backstories won't they...

[@phimau8104]

@@foderis8777 yea huh o_o

[@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741]

Damn. And here I was thinking he was a closet case Oop-

[@foderis8777]

@@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741 I still think they are, cuz it makes sense for him to get a wife who works with him to stay in the closet

[@paidksjwjaapsodjwodh5870]

@@foderis8777spoilers for the novel i hope it‘s like that because that‘s how the novel is

[@柚季1]

これ毎回言ってる気がするけどこのMVが群を抜いて好みすぎる

[@歯車-s8z]

視聴前は、「猫をかぶる」からcatなのかなって思ったけど、マジシャンの相棒のような鳩にかぶりついてる姿や最後の目が、まんま「猫そのもの」なのがなんか…凄いな…

[@gojinekotarosu]

第一審でも出てたけど、青いリンゴは自分の本音なのかな はみ出した恋(周りに合わせられない・はぐれ)とそれを踏み抑えたりお酒で誤魔化してでも隠したい自分 でも最後は嘘を吐き続ける(マジックの種が全て落ちる)ことが出来なくなって、真実を告げて(平和の象徴及び吐いた嘘である鳩を食べる)その結果結婚した妻を傷付けることになった…のか…？ でも、ボイスドラマのことと心象風景であることを考えるとこうしたかったとかの方なのかな 猫被り(嘘をつく)をやめて、本性を出したいとかなのか…わからないけど猫目かわいいね…

[@iciarsoto8860]

I like how he is represented as a cautivating magician who makes pigeons appear, being a metaphore to pretending to love his wife to then eat the pigeon as a cruel cat would when he confess his lies to her, riping apart his trick.

[@FatherDazai]

It’s criminal that this doesn’t have 1M views already, this is easily one of the best songs in MILGRAM yet.

[@chicopridebean368]

I agree

[@FatherDazai]

@ew-xm9vs I’m glad you agree! I, too, understand that we shouldn’t force people to watch MVs, but in terms of views, there is definitely a lot of bias between characters. A lot of people choose not to watch certain MVs/trailers simply because they don’t find the character attractive or likable, and I think that sucks, because I think we should support the team regardless :')

[@mulberrytea549]

@@ew-xm9vs hilariously that was amane- still, i've been looping triage, cat, tpm, and double since i would really like to see triage and cat especially reach 1M views soon- Cat's like my third favorite song behind the tie of Tear Drop and MeMe(yes those are vastly different songs, that's why they're tied) and Kazui's super interesting.

[@justanaverageperson2162]

@@ew-xm9vspeople think hes hot lol. Personally my reaction when I found out was “what.” Like LOOK AT MEME how…

[@godabandonedmesoibecameaba8984]

@@ew-xm9vs I do like his songs better, but in storywise I think Kazui is the most relatable and innocent one

[@氏ごま-b9g]

これまでの誰と比較しても「赦す」「赦さない」に関心がなくて、これまでもカズイさんが一番好きだったけどより好きになった。 これ一審でもし×だったとしてもほぼブレなかったんじゃないか……？ それはそれとしてどちゃくそエロいので全人類に聞いてほしいし見てほしい。心の底からありがとう。

[@nume_name_none]

0:21 ｢後悔するより させる方がずっといいや｣の所、画面の文章が英語歌詞にもない"Lie,"で始まってるんだよな ここの歌詞は本心じゃない可能性がある

[@ChucurMarten]

I'm not sure how relevant this could be to theories, but since Kazui's MV is one of the most graphically striking so far, I think it's worth pointing out. The graphic style of his MV is very heavily inspired by Swiss Design (or more accurately International Typographic Style) which was arguably the most popular graphic design style between the 50s and the 80s. The usage of basic geometric forms with flat colors (in grid-like structures and overlapping with each other), the prominence of typography and strong hierarchy of shape and size (big blocks of bold letters next to extremely small text) are all used here. Also worth pointing out that the font used for the english text is Helvetica, another font created during this era with an emphasis on legibility and flexibility. I find it interesting because the values of this style of design seem to be the entire opposite of Kazui's: this school of thought placed importance on *communicating things as clearly as possible* not bothering with exaggeration or artifice or anything that may muddle the message. On the other hand, Kazui is obsessed with artifice, superficiality and illusion, actively hiding his feelings and intentions. It may also be an ironic element meant to point out his complete inability to communicate clearly. Another possible link is that proponents of this style approached it in a very cold, scientific way, and didn't see design as an art form because artistry and subjectivity gets in the way of clear communication. We can assume Kazui is a very artistically minded person (both his first song and this one heavily feature the concept of theatre) so it may represent him feeling overwhelmed by society's expectations (marriage, a settled life) clashing with his desire for artistry and freedom.

[@kremstoin]

Very good point!

[@holly3330]

I thought it felt a lot like an advertisement. Like with how clean and distinct everyone is. I also saw someone say that the English text is actually another thing that points to it (as since this is all presumably in Japan, the use of English text is usually only used if you want to market to a market of English speakers) Honestly I think the visual style is very important to this MV, as most of the other ones have had fun metaphors in imagery. While this one has meaning due to the lack of any obvious imagery in a sense. Kazui is…advertising, for lack of a better word. He’s presenting himself as marketable and sanitized up until the end. I’m big on the “Kazui’s sexuality is not compatible with his wife” theory and it would tie into that really well. I feel like the MV has a lot of subtext about normalcy and the lie that is the “ideal heterosexual cisgender” couple so I thought it was interesting how the MV felt like an advertisement of sorts. Great breakdown! I’ve been wanting to know what exactly the style used in this MV is for a bit.

[@iokiart2622]

This is a great analysis!!!

[@patchopaa383]

That’s incredible omg

[@gyrasolune5436]

Personally another extremely striking thing with the artstyle in the context of the song being about lying is one that's easy for us, as EN viewers to overlook: It's filled to the brim with the song's lyrics displayed on screen...but they're in English. And sometimes French. That is to say, not the language he's actually singing in. It's such a good way to parallel the idea of deceiving through half-truths and obfuscating language - he's 'lying' every time a word is on screen.

[@夏山蜜柑]

There is something I want people outside of Japan to know. Kazui's vote is divided because of problems among Japanese fans. A female Kazui fan called on non-Mirgram fans to vote for "Unforgiveness" because she wanted to see Kazui suffering. The people who were approached were mainly fans of Japanese and Korean idols.They seemed to win tickets for the idol's front row seats or receive fan service.They mistake it for "something good happened because they didn't forgive Kazui." It is clear that the reason for voting is not because of love or consideration for characters, but because of mysterious superstitions. This is considered a problem among Japanese fans. Fans who did not like it are at odds with them by voting "Forgiveness." Some of them don't want to forgive Kazui.However, they do not want their content to be ruined.Therefore, they are voting to "Forgive". Frankly speaking, Kazui's current voting results are not helpful. This is because voting for Kazui has become more for conflict among Milgram fans than for those who are voting for the characters. If anyone is reading this, you can either "Forgiveness" or "Unforgiveness," so please vote the way you want. Voting runs until Oct. 23. This kind of conflict is very silly.I think that the outcome of the vote should be influenced by those who really like Milgram. I'm using a translator, so there might be something strange about it.Thank you for reading so far. I'll add it here. Currently, it seems that there is an exchange outside of the content between those who voted "Unforgiveness". They thank those who voted for "Unforgiveness" and help apply for tickets for idols and vote for Sanrio characters. It has also been confirmed that the people involved are saying so. I wrote, "Those who voted for 'no forgiveness' think there are good things about voting for Kazui." They call it "Unforgiveness Shrine" and spread it. As far as I've checked, it seems to be spreading to more than 50 people (more precisely over 100). Then one user who didn't like it said, "You stupid woman, die!" on an open account. In this comment, I'll write it briefly, but it was a really bad word. Those who voted "Unforgiveness" were naturally very angry at this. But they brought up the only user, saying, "All Milgram fans are bad people. We will exclude new users like us." Not all of Milgram's fans are bad people, nor are they avoiding them because they are new users. Milgram's fans became intolerable and began tweeting: "I don't think organized votes are good." Then those who voted "Unforgiveness" began to attack the fans. The fans are just expressing their opinions, and they don't say anything offensive to the other person, such as "You die." However, those who voted "Unforgiveness" don't seem to like the opposition.They're refuting in very aggressive terms, reading with nicknames that they clearly deride, and bringing up old tweets and videos to RT.That continues even now. They mistake a single user's tweet, "You silly woman, die," for the consensus of Milgram fans.They deliberately diffuse it even though they understand it to be untrue. By doing so, Milgram fans are unable to say anything and those who voted "Unforgiveness" think they can win the argument. The fight hurt many Milgram fans, as did "Forgiveness" and "Unforgiveness". If the same situation continues, it is certain that Japanese Milgram fans will be less likely to show up. Comments are no longer reflected due to defects, so I will resubmit them.

[@iluVioletLink]

Thank you for letting us know about what's going on in the Japanese community 🙏🙏 no wonder why his percentage is unstable

[@kikikaichan]

Thanks for explaining! I saw something about this floating around, but didn't quite understand. But now I got a full picture. This...really sucks. Like in a sense, the votes on Kazui are now tainted. I hope these people will get bored and stop these careless votes and fights before the voting period ends...

[@batrex_]

Can you please give us username of girl who's doing this?

[@夏山蜜柑]

@@batrex_ I'm sorry, but I can't give you her username. If you mention a woman's name here, it is possible that she will be slandered. I think it creates unnecessary conflict.

[@batrex_]

@@夏山蜜柑 oh i see that's understandable

[@HiYoKoooo1111]

マヒルさんとカズイさんとユノの3人ってなんか猫ちゃんっぽい動きしたりしてるけど、恋愛絡みのトラブルっぽい人は猫っぽく描かれてるのか…？ 明確にこれだ‼️って思える決定的な場面がミルグラムってあんまりないから考察が楽しい… なんでもいいけどﾈｺﾁｬﾝカズイさん好きです

[@stardustdaydreamer1581]

Please let Kazui be a con artist, please. That would make my year.

[@vbskohaku]

FRRR he can't be just a cheater please make him a con artist or like a cop it'd fit so well

[@LanieMae]

@@vbskohaku he’s definitely more than that cheating is not a good enough motive

[@cameron9206]

Ooo I never thought of that possibility but it’s really satisfying now that I’ve heard it

[@peonykit6039]

OH MY GOD YES

[@suredoeslikeexisting]

YEAH

[@oggser8050]

EVERYONE THOUGHT I WAS AN INSANE PERSON FOR BELIEVING IN GAY KAZUI. LOOK AT ME NOW BRO IM ON TOP OF DA WORLD

[@_3_Hydrangea_3_]

LMAO good for you😭😭😭😭

[@gyrasolune5436]

here's hoping i can score the same win as a major hardcore haruka trans truther, lmao (hell: a lot of the reasons i think harukas talking about being closet trans use the same language as kazui's, right down to the most telling 'I realize the futility, but I still can’t help but dream' in this very song having a big old '01' behind ig)

[@ito_8910]

なにもわからなかったので考察は考察班に任せるとして…とりあえずカズイさんかっこよすぎるし、ジャズっぽい曲調が好きすぎてありがとうって感じ

[@runaryouta]

俺も分からん

[@runaryouta]

でもめっちゃ良いことは分かる

[@hp8167]

It's so interesting that as soon as Kazui tells the truth (REMINDER: he didn't cheat as confirmed in his voice drama) and reveals his true feelings (literally tearing apart the dove), his wife is already falling off the balcony. That apple that splatters on the ground is her. It's such a visceral and beautiful segment for his perspective. These songs are unreliable narrators but we can still get that Kazui views his truth telling as a violent act. Him telling the truth killed his wife. What's more is his truth is that he forced himself to marry a woman out of societal obligation rather than love. He struggles to keep up that facade of the perfect marriage when in reality there's not much there and he's miserable. It's easy to see why he lies. It's going to be interesting how the vote ends up this round. As of right now (Jul 28) its 56-44 and leaning innocent.

[@AdachiCat]

This is my favorite theory so far, i thought something very simillar

[@fairywren6291]

A small thing to remember: This is a window into the prisoner's consciousness. According to the actual interview, Kazui actively villainizes himself for his wife's death, though he didn't appear to murder her directly. To quote @astuffedalpaca5365 's summary of the actual interview: Kazui's lies did not kill her. It was his honesty. Something he was hiding came to light, and for his wife, it was devastating. Is he wrong for not being honest with her for whatever this secret was? Yes. But, understanding the context, whatever he hid, it was clearly something he's struggled with since he was little - something he tried to be honest about but was burned badly enough that he felt he couldn't be genuine. Period. It's clear his sin wasn't murder. It's clear his sin wasn't cheating, at least not in his eyes. So whatever it is, there's much more depth and nuance to this situation than we actually have proper analysis for. All sides are not clear. It is still too early to confirm his crime indefinitely. He may just be painting himself as the villain in order to cope. Again, this may be how *he* sees himself. Does it justify any of this? Probably not. Should he have entered a relationship if he wasn't prepared to be mentally and emotionally vulnerable and honest? No, but it's definitely something to consider before voting him guilty. We've all made mistakes in our relationships. Does him being honest with himself and his partner make him automatically at fault?

[@doublesplit234]

Sorry but just to clarify on the "actively victimizes" part, are you saying that he is using his wife's death to hurt himself further? Because i did read it as "actively villainizes himself". Which also makes sense.

[@fairywren6291]

@@doublesplit234 I meant to put villainize but yes you're right. it goes both ways. He's hurting himself with his wife's death because he sees himself as the villain in this story.

[@kip5581]

Where to watch interview?

[@Xternzz]

What do you think about the theory that he is gay?

[@LanieMae]

I mean I’m voting him guilty mostly because I believe his whole thing stems from greed and ignorance and a desire for money even at the cost of other people, but I’m also conflicted as it seems he regrets his actions

[@kikikaichan]

THIS OLD MAN. I'M SO GLAD HE'S FORGIVEN AFTER WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE FIRST MONTH OF VOTING 😭😭😭

[@なきねいり-l1q]

ジャズチックな曲調と渋いイケボがすごいオシャレだけど歌詞を見るとちゃんとミルグラムなんよ……まっすぐに読めないけど言いたいことが分かるというか人間性が檻の隙間からはみ出てるというか…………

[@なきねいり-l1q]

積もるのは業だけなんだよなぁ…………まぁこの界隈に居るってだけで十分業深いんだけど()

[@蜜幹]

しかしマジで本音隠すの上手いなこの人。パーソナリティ(異性との結婚に失敗した同性愛者？)らしきモノは開示してるけど、何故”ヒトゴロシ”になったのかの経緯っぽいモノはMV内にも歌詞にもほとんど描写してないし。

[@黒猫-g3z]

このMV見るまでは アロマンティック(性的欲求はあるが恋愛感情を抱けない人)なのかと思ってたけど 台詞からして同性愛者の方が可能性高そうかな....心象風景見ても本心が読みづらいから 本人の言う通り根っからの嘘つきなんだろうな....

[@くるみるみ-d4f]

猫ってBLとかで使われる受け攻めの「タチ・ネコ」のことかなあって思ったんだけどどうなのかな…🤔

[@にゃん-f7j]

セクシャリティ？

[@bws8495cc]

そう思うとマヒルよりフータを優先して助けたのもカズイの好みに関係あるかもしれないですね 奥さんを幻滅させた/人生破壊された=殺した？的な感じかな

[@billy4lifeify]

​@@bws8495cc彼がまひるを救えなかったのはそんなばかばかしい理由ではなく、ただ物理的に彼女を助けることができなかっただけだ

[@あおあお-y7i]

二人で車に乗ってる時女性の方は照れてるけどカズイさんは照れてないことから、恋愛的には好きではないと考える。指輪をあげるシーンで「本当の愛を掴むためなら嘘もつくだろう」というセリフからも伺えるように女性との結婚は本当の愛だとは思っていない。男女友達で「お前」呼びはする人はよくいるが、カズイさんはそんなタイプには見えない。また、ワイン（？）越しに見た奥さんの姿が青りんごになった時、どう見てもガタイが良いので男性だと考えられる。「どんなに夢とわかっていても、夢を見るだろう」というセリフから、カズイさんは奥さんの場所にいるのが青りんごの人だったらなぁ〜と、要するに奥さんよりも青りんごの人と一緒にいるのが夢と言っている。以上のことから、カズイさんはゲイの方なのでは？と考える。それに、自分のことを普通じゃない。って言ってるのも今は時代的に多様性とかで認められてきたけど、昔は同性愛が普通ではない時代ではなかったからそれのことを言ってると思う。「この想い」も思いではなく、想いを使ってることから（思いだと脳で考えてだが、想いだと心からになる。恋の表現として主に使われるのは想いの方）青りんごの人が好きということがみてとれる。ちなみに、鳩の腸の部分はカズイさんの本心をさらけ出したということだと思うのだが、奥さんはそれを引いてしまったシーンだと思う。題名のCatは猫みたいに自由気ままに囚われず生きたかったの表れなのと、実際に愛されたいタチとネコのネコになりたかった。2つの意味があるんじゃないか？あと、最後のカズイさんの目が猫の目のように細くなってる。丁度青りんごが真ん中になってるのが気になる…

[@あおあお-y7i]

※「どんなに夢と気づいてても〜」ではなく、「どんなに無理だと気づいていても〜」でした。

[@白雲そら]

考察とかそう言うのじゃなくてはっきり言う。 声良すぎないか。カズイサン。

[@lyo2709]

THEORY/QUICK ANALYSIS POST WATCHING : I could be wrong but the Green Apple is, for me, Kazui's True Self. Seeing himself like a bad apple -> Faking / lying about his love but also his true feelings toward his relationship and seeing it all, being tired of it. I feel like both of them are victims of their relationship, but more of his wife. Kazui went too fast with her without knowing his feelings toward her while her Wife seemed to already have a crush on him. Kazui continued the lies" and tricks" for her sake but ignored himself in the process. So basically, I think their Break-up wasn't "sweet" but kinda brutal from Kazui who probably went savage in his words. But I don't see him going violent physically over this. Tho IMPORTANT POINT I FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE NOTE: Her wife Felt Backward. I don't think she would have "thrown herself" like that so 2 Possibilities : - She felt by accident -> Feared Kazui - She was pushed by Kazui I'm not sure about this, so I might be extremely wrong Then, my conclusion -> If he did not push her -> Innocent -> If he did pushed her -> OverGuilty

[@wailsen]

Hmm. You have a rather interesting perspective. Can I ask you about the other things in the video? At the beginning,we see Kazui and his ex-wife do some kind of police or detective work. From that short time,something keeps bugging me... Isn't Kazui work in-... No,going back to the topic,there is also the scene when he confess he likes someone. But it's after the wedding,no even the scene when he purposes to her. It can be his wife,but why he would say this,when they are already a married couple? I don't want to say it's definitely it,but I think he said it to somebody else. The glass was dropped,the alcohol in it went everywhere,and the tricks and the bird died.I also think Kazui in the end told about his lies,but... Here is the question: What was the cause? What happened? Or rather: Who was it who triggered the change? Or just Kazui got tired of lying after so much time? Or it was something else? Also,the cigarette sure is a important thing in this. His face... After that,aren't you think it's strange? We are seeing things in his perspective. After his wife fell,he did not pay attention much,he looked at the word-body behind (?) her. He also doesn't look down. If she fell,then he should look at the prey by looking down. But he looks straightforward at us. I think there is something strange about this. I think it isn't this simple... Anyway,I apologise if I offended you in any way,it wasn't my intention. I just read your theory,and thought I would like to have a conversation with you about the other scenes too,and maybe recive answers. I am not good at things like this,so... If you don't mind,can you tell me about these things in your- Ah,of course just in that case you like to do so! Sorry if I said something wrong...

[@foderis8777]

Well, I personally think he's actually gay, because a green apple could be the male gender, while the red apple is the female gender. He also has quotes as "I can't be normal, I can't satisfy this feeling" which I think also points towards that possibility. Also also: I think that him tearing up the bird with his teeth is symbolic of him tearing their marriage apart. But your pushing observations are quite good, I must say. also also also, in half, he bites the green apple, which supports my theory cuz he finally indulged in his desires. okie done.

[@asrielluke3465]

​@@foderis8777make sense. Also in the first trial (on the same part where he bites the apple) we see two frames of a balcony, one with her wife and one without her wife. We already knew what happened in between.

[@foderis8777]

@@asrielluke3465 and we see a shattered red apple at the end as well

[@lyo2709]

@aponiahermeline ! First of all, don't worry I won't take badly what you said and you're even right to tell them! Like I said, I'm probably wrong. Welp, you're right. There is probably some cheating (Whatever if it's a man or a woman!). For me, it's more about that Kazui "loves" too easily or is quick to ack depending on his feelings -> The marriage seems to have happened really soon in their relation For me, the case of Kazui is that it's someone who acts on his feelings too quickly without taking time to consider them and he regretted them after his marriage. Whatever if he cheated or not, with a man or a woman. I think him eating/biting the apple is him admitting his trueself -> His true feelings / his bittersweet feelings (Of not loving her) to himself so then his wife. I feel like if there was someone precise about the cheating, that person would be more "under the spotlight" in the MVs but there are just possible viewable hints. I think him admits his feelings (Sometimes, admitting our own feelings can be "horrible feelings" to others so that's why we lie after all). I think the Cigarette scene is for him to "Take a breath" as he said, he breathes then exhale his true feelings (But it's just a "first idea") Yea for his Wife dying, for me it's confusing, so there's a high chance it's an Accident or she just throw herself without him knowing. (Hope I was clear enough, I'm writing on the phone while being on a bus haha!)

[@ヌボギョストランチェ]

嘘つきを押し出されてるから手品師かな…カズイさんかっこいいね…𝐾𝑖𝑠𝑠...

[@Ashurasama0726]

1900年代に活動していた、 ルネ・マグリットという画家がいるのですが、その人の作品をオマージュしたのでは？と思うシーンがちらほらあったので共有！(無理やり感あるかもしれないけど！！) 0:11 『大家族』or『空の鳥』 1:06 『恋人たち』 1:47 『観念』or『人の子』 2:40 『鳥を食べる少女』 サイトの文章を引用するのですが、 マグリットにとって緑のリンゴは「見えるもの」と「見えないもの」の間における「永遠の緊張」や「神秘性」を象徴するものであり、マグリットのセルフポートレイト作品のいくつかで、自分の姿を曖昧な状態にするために緑のリンゴを使っているという。 あとは、考察班頑張ってください！！

[@Amina0720]

神有識者…！

[@にゃん-f7j]

私は画家のポール・セザンヌのリンゴに何かしらの関連があるのかなって思い調べてみましたが、これといった手ごたえがありませんでした😢 「恋人たち」を見てこの作品はとても曲の解釈に合いそうだなって思いました！！

[@ameliajustvibing3850]

I hope the creators of milgram address the unfairness that's going on with kazui's voting . Seriously mass voting while not knowing about the character and bribery shouldn't be allowed

[@silentmidnightmoonlight6137]

Same, although they'll probably let it slide as this happens in real life too. Though they might make a statement based on it for next time that would affect said character perhaps...

[@Cardboard449]

Considering that their intro video said that people can vote based on anything, including just finding the characters attractive, they probably won’t. They may have the character respond to this though.

[@Lusacrisis]

I keep looking at the results and it's crazy

[@bernadettepeters9531]

what's going on with the voting?

[@violetskies0613]

I agree, but all we can really do now is keep voting for kazui each day we have a free vote. It's almost at 50/50 right now

[@No-ii7do]

後悔するよりさせる方がいいっていう歌詞が最高だな カズイの本性をこれでもかと表現している

[@No-ii7do]

待てよ…？ これMVの方の英語文が歌詞と違う！ Google先生によると「嘘だ、失望されるよりも失望するほうがいい」と… …どっちが本心だ！？ それによっちゃ俺はカズイさんにスライディング土下座しなきゃ行けなくなる…！！

[@Amina0720]

ふぁ!? こんなところでも嘘が!? 曲者すぎるぞカズイさん…

[@RuheLUUE]

@@No-ii7do 英語でもちゃんと「失望するよりされる方がいい」って書いてあると思いますよ！

[@Toketa_a]

嘘つきなら、歌詞で言ってることも嘘だったり…？とは思ってたけど、そんな所にまで隠されてたの！？！？ 重厚なマダミスでもやらされる？？？？普通そんな所まで見ないよ(()) カズイさんの本心はどっちなんだ……エスくんが紛れもない日本人ならば日本語を嘘にする…と安直に考えてしまうが…いやわっかんねぇぞこれ、なんならどちらでもないとか、気分(?)で考え方変わることだって人間あるし…

[@鐘田凛]

​@@RuheLUUE ｢a let down｣が｢がっかりした｣ ｢let down｣が｢失望させる｣ らしいのでおそらく ｢嘘だ、失望(後悔)されるよりする方がいい｣で合っていると思いますよ！

[@kyarameruousyou]

考察とか関係なくカズイさんがタバコ吸ってるシーンとかハトを噛みちぎってるシーン良すぎんか…

[@タニシ虹の]

｢嘘をつけ 楽になるまで｣と言ってるけどカズイさん一生楽になれなさそう 人柄の良さは確実にあるので

[@暁サトル-p1z]

自殺願望ある人が「死んで楽になりたい」とかよく言うし、「楽になるまで」って「死ぬまで」って意味なんじゃないかと思った

[@fishboyardee]

If he gets guilty cause of the "unforgiven shrine "the entire integrity of the project just goes down the drain since it will no longer be "analyze this video and make your own choice" but instead it will just become a series of "what does the biggest influencer want to happen to each character" I really hope the team does something about this cause otherwise Ill just look back at Milgram with a mindset of wasted potential

[@moonydaysdawnuponme]

I noticed this issue before but I'm glad there's finally ppl talking ab it... MILGRAM voting system is a problem and it's not ab the characters themselves anymore or their crime it's just petty voting...

[@Sil_chan22]

I swear I’ve been thinking about it!! I’m upset but let’s hope we can do 50/50

[@Human00002]

Do any of u know how is it going? I don't really have the app to check

[@lunarwarrior16]

​@@Human00002He's currently 51% guilty

[@Human00002]

@@lunarwarrior16 NOOOO KAZUI

[@alfiepancakezz]

i’m too sleep deprived to actually process what i just watched but KAZUI SONGS NEVER MISS HOLY SHIT

[@gracefulbean9894]

Literally me, I'll have to go back and watch it again later-

[@royalquiet]

Same 💀

[@Yumio..Sakurane]

Same here too

[@neidhardt8093]

I'd like to point out this song is completely produced by Rockwell alone (besides the lyrics). I feel like they don't get enough credit for the songs they work on, so it's nice to see solo work from them. EDIT: Rockwell actually produced MeMe, Backdraft and Triage all himself too, so this is actually the fourth song he made by himself. This man deserves way more credit.

[@Daisyhatingugolyee]

bless rockwell for giving us some of the best bangers alone🙏

[@Birbzz]

he makes BANGERS

[@helloex-6767]

概要欄に書いてある「狂言師」が気になりすぎてどういった意味なのか調べたけど 「能楽で狂言を演じる役者」 「踊りや物真似などの歌舞伎狂言を演じた役者」って書いてあった やっぱりこうゆう文面見たらまだまだカズイさんの「嘘」が隠れているんだろうな ちな第二審で幼馴染みが出てきたら嬉しいと感じてる…スーツ姿のカズイさんイケメンすぎます…腰ら辺えちちや…待機しているよカズイさん…！ 追記 実は狂言師の師を抜くと「狂言」と浮かぶんですよね 狂言は 「嘘である作り事 作り話」 「人を騙して利益を得る為に行う」意味があります また対話を中心としたセリフ劇で大掛かりな舞台装置は一切使用せず 言葉や仕草によって全てを表現します 更に狂言の大きな特徴は「笑い」日常や説話などを題材にし人間の習性や本質を鋭く切り取って大らかな 「笑い」「おかしみ」にしてしまいます 因みに狂言は普段歌舞伎役者さん達が使う役割ですがカズイさんの格好から見るにマジシャンをモチーフとして描かれている為少し謎です 最後に気になる点 なんかサムネの柄がキャンバスみたいに見える (端と端を見れば分かると思います) 先程キャンバスに関する夢占いを見に行きましたが「これっぽいな」って思う夢を見つけました キャンバスだとするならこのカズイさんは「人物像」として描かれている様に見えるので自画像ですね 自画像の夢は「もっと自己表現をしたい気持ち」を反映しています 周りの人間関係で「自分のことを分かってもらえない」と感じることも多くあるいは好きな人に「自分をアピールしたい」という気持ちを表すこともあると書かれてました カズイさん同性愛者疑惑があるから一致するんだよなぁ… まだフル曲を公開されてないのに考察がいっぱい思い浮かんでくる…頭使いすぎて頭痛い…() 追記(っ'-')╮ =͟͟͞͞🍎🍏ﾌﾞｫﾝ とにかく色々と凄いのと終盤のカズイさんがどちゃクソ色気グロすぎて変な声でそうだった まず自分が分かった明らかな雑魚考察と第二審カズイさんボイドラのちょいネタバレも含まれます マジシャンの夢 マジシャンでの夢占いでは 現実を変えたいという願望 目の前の現実に対し「こんなの嫌だ！」という思い抱いている そんな時にマジシャンの夢を見ることがあるそうです ひょっとしたら気付かないうちに心身の苦労が蓄積しているのかもしれない 努力しても一向に改善されない状況に嫌気が差しているケースもありますいずれにしろ余り心身の状態が良くないと見ていいのと早めのケアが必要と言われてます これは心象には無かった図ですが マジシャンが追いかける夢 夢の中で追いかけてくるマジシャンは実は「偽りの自分」 現実世界で仮面をつけた状態 本音を言えない不自由なのか それとも誰かを欺く為にあえて本音を言わないのか どちらにせよ 偽りの自分を演じている そしてそのことが徐々に貴方の精神を圧迫し始めている 何度も繰り返しこの夢を見るようであればかなり深刻な状態と言われてます (ここから先ネタバレ注意) 尋問途中で「本当はこんな自分が大っ嫌いだ…！嘘をつき続ける自分が！」と泣きそうな声で必死に訴えるカズイさんのシーンがありますが正にこの夢と一致するんですよね 鳩を食べる夢 2:39 終盤で衝撃なラスト場面を迎えましたがカズイさんが鳩を食べるシーンでの夢占いは 貴方が過去の出来事や経験から学び成長することが出来るという暗示で事故改善や向上心を持って過去の経験を活かすことが大切だと教えられます この夢ではイマイチこの曲とのマッチがつくのか微妙なとこですがここから先カズイさん自身の変化が変わることがあると思いますね 以上で考察は終わります 第一審とは打って変わって大分カズイさんの本性が出てきたのと剥き出していてめちゃくちゃ疼いちゃいます でも今回の第二審審判は「赦さない」が多そう…私はまだ決まりきれてないですが今ん所とりあえず赦さないに選びます ボイドラの影響があって色々戸惑ってしまうけどカズイさんを救ってみせたい一心は変わりない…！

[@king0fspades36]

just remembered the milgram team looks at all the theories we put out and will even comment on them when this trial concludes. i wonder what they'll say about so many people thinking kazui is gay, lmao

[@invisibleink5397]

man can't believe milgram made a banger about interalized homophobia. that's amazing

[@mooing_synopsis1959]

Right!? I can't see it as anything else.

[@samdal420]

No wonder this hit so hard

[@JutoMira]

They're missing out big time if they don't take the opportunity to make his third trial song give the same vibes as magnet

[@monbub]

kazui is a queer icon?? 😳😳omg

[@reggielacey2235]

​​@@monbubew

[@ProsperousKingFlorent]

I want everyone to know that NO, Kazui didn't cheat. His newest voice drama makes it very clear he didn't cheat and what he was lying and sinning about is very different. The scene we see at the end is also likely from his wife's POV when he told her the truth and how she saw him. In the end, the truth is that Kazui lied to his wife about something for years and finally came clean about it. Her reaction was drastic and it likely resorted in her suicide. Kazui never meant for this to happen and seems to regret ever trying to be honest. We aren't told what he's lying about but it can be several things. Maybe he's actually gay, maybe he's asexual, maybe he just doesn't love her or maybe he isn't the type who wants to be tied down. Maybe he only views her as a friend? We don't know. What we do know is everything I said above and that he's a very broken man about it all.

[@silence7524]

do you have the translation for his second trial voice drama?

[@prok2276]

@@silence7524 where are you taking this trial voice dramas??? Or that's from private zone of milgram portal?

[@silence7524]

@@prok2276 I'm just asking if the commenter has Kazui's second voice trial's translation

[@vvriyarinrinnvv4937]

It's on KZbin if u search kazui 2nd trial voice drama

[@silence7524]

@@vvriyarinrinnvv4937 yeah now it got uploaded, it wasn't translated when I made the comment lol, but thanks!

[@aliciakimil4231]

Guys, I don’t think Kazui’s just a con man or magician…

[@phimau8104]

Nop, hes a police officer

[@iluVioletLink]

he's a silly cat boy :3

[@riv3r_mango705]

He just likes birds a lot 😋

[@ooosweaty2607]

It would be funny that hes gay

[@dylankaz2528]

well not with *that* attitude

[@alisdight793]

happy pride month everyone

[@Marshmellowmewo]

“Lie, until it gets better, follow the king of the masquerade” EXCUSE ME?! KAZUI WHAT😨 IS THIS WHY HE WORE A MASQUERADE MASK

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

in Japanese its Kyougen Kyougen is usually played within Noh (another form of Japanese theatre, Nogaku), and is supposed to be an "intermission" sequence that happens in-between Noh. While Noh is formal, symbolic, and solemn, has serious singing/dancing, Kyougen is "comedic" - the main goal is to make the audience laugh. More elements of Kyougen include "stock characters (less than three actors)" and elements of slapstick and satire. It's interesting to note that actors in Kyougen don't wear masks unless you play as an animal (or a god) so this can explain why the second song makes it sound playful and that he sees himself as not human somewhat like a Cat a animal of misfortune

[@もち桜-w4b]

タバコの煙が首吊り縄になってるのゾワっとした

[@honoko__zatta]

え？まじ？と思って巻き戻したらガチでした！！ええ！鳥肌もんです！

[@55desuu]

2:21

[@satominmin420]

自分の首を絞めていることを表しているのかな？

[@ろーず-k9h]

ほ、ほんまや！？ゾワってきた……

[@Toketa_a]

割と一瞬だから、コメント見なかったら絶対気づいてなかった自信ある…すごい

[@kamitani_kyouya]

Byeって意味が2重で重なってあって、 同性も異性もいけるバイって意味も含まれてる…？ 「nnnnn〜ちょっと一服」(グラス音🥃)(秒針1秒🕰) 一服で気持ちも一緒に飲んでる？ それか全然そっちのけなくてカニバリズムおぢさんなのか…？ わかんない…

[@クロキ-f8o]

1:00の「被害者と加害者でいいだろ」のところで奥さんは泣くほど嬉しそうなのにカズイさんは苦笑いしているのがなんとも…悲壮感と申し訳なさが滲み出ててるのが凄くて… あと「ちょっと一服」でカズイさんがクソゲッッスイ顔してるのって奥さんにバレて問い詰められていた所、話をそらすようにタバコを吸い始めて同性愛者である事をバラしたのかな… まだまだ隠してそうな予感がするからカズイさんがクズでもいいんだけど 『自分が普通じゃないのは知っている、周りを見習って普通を演じたけど普通になり切れなかった。本当は愛していなかったしそもそも恋愛対象外だった、ただの被害者』 とか言ってなんかもう全部厭きれて吹っ切れたように感じた

[@CountryMuu]

From cat preview 1 hour loop to Cat official thing 😭😭.. I’m so happy and I can’t wait to be here for the premiere!

[@Marshmellowmewo]

Same!

[@schere519]

i can finally rest in peace

[@user-loser-LuffyLove]

リンゴの実の花言葉は"誘惑""後悔"です。既出だったらごめんなさい カズイさんかっけぇ

[@AMANE_0402]

こんなにズームアウトされたサムネ初めてじゃない？！全体像がよく見えて最高にｴｯｯですねﾊｽﾊｽ

[@ソラ-e8f]

この曲が第二審で一番好きかも ジャズ調でオシャレなのに闇深で魅力的…

[@hinataaoikisser]

THIS IS BY FAR MY FAV MILGRAM MV. THE ART ON THIS IS SO FUNKY!!! HUGE RESPECTS TO THE ANIMATOR!!!!!

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

this same style has been used for other media like the show XY also known as Aiyou's Secret Room opening

[@Daw2050]

It's so nice to see Akka back in the animation team!

[@doublesplit234]

i'm hoping that the MV would be like those with moving paper puppets. it just feels like the right vibe from what we got from the teasers.

[@user-om7tw8dw5f]

あ〜良すぎる… 悪くないもんとかだいすきはTrailerからガラッと雰囲気変わってそれはそれで最高だったけどcatはずっとおしゃれで大人の男性って感じで最高すぎた🥰 Trailer 聞いた時から1番楽しみにしてたから嬉しい

[@ろーず-k9h]

ウィスキーが入ったグラスが落ちて中身が溢れる姿が人が落ちて頭ブシャーみたいで見た時ちょっとゾワってした(語彙力)

[@ろーず-k9h]

こんな下手な考察にいいねが二つも嬉しい☺️

[@yu_ki_yu_]

1:48

[@vibealong1191]

Interesting that his thumbnail is remarkably unique from other prisoners- seems his MV will be portrayed in a drawing/art-like style. Edit: Andddddd I was right- C:

[@asrielluke3465]

It seems most of the 2nd MV has a Bust Shot thumbnail while Kazui has a half body one

[@LanieMae]

Kazui is such a tangled mess of a character you can barely understand anything about him and the more you try to understand him, the more confusing it gets. I came in thinking I’d finally get some answers and I got out knowing less then I did before. Thinking about it, this MV has so many different interpretations and it doesn’t seem like anyone can agree on what actually happened right now which makes things even more convoluted, as that’d probably change the opinion on the verdict.

[@phimau8104]

police officer, married his partner (out of need for cover/genuine feelings) unknown, falls out of love with her and has an affair, probably with another man, wife kills hersel/he kills her. that bout it.

[@neidhardt8093]

​@@phimau8104 We have 0 proof of there being any cheating so far.

[@phimau8104]

@@neidhardt8093 that'd actually make it tragic, he decides not to go through with the affair, but as he comes home his wife has already committed suicide. Jesus 😐

[@foderis8777]

​@@phimau8104or, he marries her to hide the fact he's gay, cuz we see his family being very supportive as he sings about camouflage. But ye rest checks out

[@phimau8104]

@@foderis8777 ye thats what i meant with "for Cover"

[@user-kashiwa]

奥さんからアプローチされて流されて結婚したのならともかく、カズイの方がアプローチしてプロポーズしたっぽいのが地獄過ぎる。 エスくん(リスナー)には謝らなくていいので奥さんには100万回謝ってほしい

[@user-kashiwa]

私はカズイのこと許さない権利がないけど奥さんだけはカズイにぶちギレて良い

[@sui-000.]

ほんとそうですよね… この動画の再生回数分奥さんに謝って欲しい……

[@ぇあ-j8m]

鳩食べるとこめっちゃ鳥肌たった… 優しそうな印象だったからすごいギャップ❤️‍🔥 かっこよすぎる

[@reiwa7702]

Despite everything that happen, I think he actually does feel regret for his wife dying because in 1:01 when he said "victim" it show his wife face while "perpetrator" show his face. And he said "Let's keep it simple" which mean he doesn't sugarcoat anything and did try to take the blame for his wife's death. Of course, this is also wrong because he led his wife to suicide, but this is milgram, everyone did kill a person. What makes them different is whether they admit and regret over it. (for me at least, if you don't think so, feel free to have it your own way)

[@nikubiti8599]

Oh, oh, in preview of all songs for 2nd trial, he also says "I feel bad for her" before his part. It could be plus one that Kazui actually feels regret about how it turned out.

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

If I say something a bit harshly an that person jumps that does not make me their killer but in mind it does

[@nikubiti8599]

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Firstly, sorry if I'm misunderstanding your point. If I do not, then, well, if you manipulated a person into jump, it kinda does make you the actual killer not just in mind, but I think Kazui's not this case. It's not like he wanted her dead. So yea, for now I think in his mind Kazui is just portraying himself like a "perpetrator" as he says himself to make everything look "simple". Edit: and after his voice drama, Kazui definitely just feels guilty and sees himself like this "monster" at the end, because he thinks exactly the fact that he stopped lying and tried to be honest killed his wife

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

@@nikubiti8599 that's what I mean you never intended to harm anyone but far as your concerned you killed them even if your not the soul reason

[@ejgracen505]

He very clearly feels remorse in his voice drama and even wishes he could've saved her because apparently he was too late. He hates himself and hasn't forgiven himself : (

[@IloveYunoKashiki]

Waiting for comments with theories because I didn't understand anything

[@sommelier_]

Catって並び替えたらActになるなあと 一審の伏線回収だったりするのかな

[@takitakis2202]

Kazui Theory I believe at first Kazui wanted only a pure passionate relationship, this is because the partner is really the only one who is blushing throughout the entire video. The relationship overall just seems extremely rushed, the couple takes a car and it could be symbolism to rushing a relationship because the marriage is shortly after. I likely believe that Kazui forces himself into thinking he likes his partner but it seems that he doesn’t like the commitment. Feeling trapped, he feels that he may have rushed things and that he wants to have something else. The cheating itself is likely something he wanted to repress because he felt that it would be shameful. The apple represents the temptation itself, apples are often seen with temptation and lust because of the symbolism it has of the Eden Garden and how Eve bit the apple. I believe that when Kazui bites the dove or whatever, it signals him cheating. When he says that he wanted to be loved like a cat then it likely means that he wanted to have a love that wasn’t held down or anything, something free I guess. Maybe it’s cause he liked the thrill but not really the commitment. Anyways the wife realizes that this isn’t the man she believed she married so she ends up jumping off a roof. The reason I believe so is because I believe that Kazui’s part in Undercover with the sillohuetes are outside and that in the end the apple falls down along with her signaling she jumped. Overall, it’s honestly really sad and tragic.

[@Pikyoh]

I can't help but feel conflicted. I feel bad for him, but I still want to vote him guilty. This truly is a good theory, and I applaud you for making this though.

[@KomoraKriogeniczna]

I truly and wholeheartedly believe he pushed her himself. Maybe by accident in a fight, or maybe she threatened she'll reveal his true face and destroy his reputation, so he did it to silence her - I'm closer to believing the second option. There's already Mahiru's boyfriend and Futa's cyberbullying victim, I simply think we're going over the "suicide" quota with yet another case. It'd be boring and repetitive. Just let him be a two-faced asshole (gay or not, doesn't matter, I myself consider him guilty).

[@glamgsm]

he was confirmed faithful by the vd

[@user-nagumo13]

マジック(嘘)である鳩を食いちぎってるってことは、奥さんに種明かし(嘘の告白)をしてるって事なんだろうか… (追記) 0:57 真ん中で拍手する人 この人多分第一審に出てたバーのマスターと同一人物 カズイと指輪似てる 1:16 「お前」＝男性？ 酒飲みながらなので相手はバーのマスターの可能性あり 奥さんについてた嘘が偽装結婚？ →0:55 歌詞「偽装」 1:46 シャンパングラス内のリンゴ頭 第一審のバーカウンターに座るカズイの服装と一致 赤リンゴ＝「真っ赤な」嘘 →対比:青リンゴ＝真実 奥さんへの嘘が赤リンゴ 本命への想いは青リンゴ 第一審では赤リンゴが割れる 第二審では赤リンゴが潰れる →奥さんを殺した暗示？ （蛇足） 青リンゴ頭はルネマグリットの「人の子」が近い(鳩の絵もある)

[@なし-c3c8c]

第一審から気になっていた青リンゴはカズイ自身が周り(赤い林檎)とは違うこと、すなわち同性愛者であることを表してたんだろうな。 それを隠すために嘘をつき続けていたっていうのが明らかになってきたね。 好きな相手はバーのマスターだったり？ きっかけはまだ考察しきれていないけれど、カズイは奥さんに同性愛者であること、愛していないことを告白した→それを受け入れられなかった奥さんが自殺したっていうのが彼のエピソードなんだろう。 その上で、この第二審におけるミルグラムでのカズイの立場と彼の判決による他の囚人への影響を考える必要があるね。 カズイはこの監獄においてコトコやアマネなどによる加害行為やハルカの自傷行為を抑えるだけの"力"がある。少なくとも現状まではこれを理性的に奮っている。 これをどう見るかが判決の鍵じゃないかな。 私の個人的な意見だけど、 カズイを赦さないならば、アマネやコトコを赦す 必要があると思っている。そうでなければ、第一審後のようなことが起きる可能性がある。 ハルカの自傷行為については、ハルカが有罪、シドウが無罪と判決されているので、考察に含まなくてもよいのではないかと思うよ。ハルカの自殺未遂もシドウの治療行為で解決するんじゃないかな。 長々と書かせていただきました。皆様の考察の一助になればと思います。

[@fashon7644]

all the people of the unforgiven shrine are crazy. imagine if someone bought all the tickets of ur favorite kpop group just to leave an empty stadium? you're all insane and cruel for ruining such a good project.

[@signs8386]

本当に仰る通りです

[@obeyocean7482]

I’m sorry but didn’t Jackalope say we can vote on whatever basis we desire? Sure you can personally find it frustrating that they voted him guilty for an arbitrary reason but imo this isn’t any more disappointing than people voting on the basis of a character’s attractiveness lol (Which has been a constant motivation behind many of the votes thus far.) Plus, I wouldn’t say the project is being “ruined” I bet the creator’s will make things interesting no matter the verdict.

[@fashon7644]

@@obeyocean7482 he did but i wouldn't be surprised if bribery enabled by superstitions wasn't really what he meant. metavoters and the unforgiven shrine are the same to me, both don't actually care about the project and the consequences to the characters in the slightest. the unforgiven shrine has the intention to harm the project without a care for the people participating OR the characters, just to fuel their own agenda. metavoters are annoying, and the unforgiven shrine is intentionally causing harm to the votes. I'd love if the creators would do something about this, but as you said, jackalope told us to vote on any basis. this makes it unlikely they'll do something to the votes. so when votes are being polluted indefinitely and jackalope might not even do much, it ruins the project for the better half.

[@obeyocean7482]

@@user-pw7kf4pc1e How is it not applicable? We weren’t ever told what WASN’T allowed in terms of voting. My personal theory is that MILGRAM is just a social experiment meant to see what drives people to vote, no matter how strange and unrelated. And we’ve already been shown that meta voting is an acceptable means of motivation. You don’t have to know anything about the character’s MVs or personalities to vote on the basis of a character’s appearance, right? Yet it was still accepted as a voting option. Either way this is still engagement for MILGRAM no matter how you look at it. Bribing people to interact with the project will inevitably make people see it even if it’s for a second. If the creator’s have a problem with this voting criteria I’m sure they will say something about it. Until then I guess we’ll just have to deal with it. And hate to break it to the people who want this to cease, but this is something to be expected with ANY instance of voting, you can call it unfair but there hasn’t been a single example of a voting system that doesn’t have shallow voter motivation. There will always be people who vote for whatever reason they desire because we were given FREE WILL.

[@obeyocean7482]

@@user-pw7kf4pc1e There’s never been any evidence to suggest that we are forbid from voting with any means we want. Yet you and many others have decided that this behavior is ‘unjust’ or ‘unreasonable’. You are the ones making assumptions about the project with no statements to prove your beliefs. Jackalope may have pushed us to watch the MVs, but that doesn’t imply that not doing so is ‘cruel’. I mean he literally said it would be a hassle to not just guilty all of them lol… Like I said, the creators likely anticipated something like this would happen, hence why they allowed the criteria for voting to be so lenient. Because realistically in a system where we are told to vote innocent or guilty with nothing more than a twitter account needed, it’s common sense that something like this would happen. You can’t name a single voting instance in the history of the internet without similar events conspiring. + This instance isn’t exclusive to Kazui’s T2 vote either, this is likely just the largest instance of this occurring, and yet there’s still been no statement to sway people from voting with meta reasoning. I’ll say this again, you can be as bitter as you want about it but the realistic truth is that this is inevitable when it comes to the allowance of free will. And I think the creator’s know this much themselves.

[@thomaslacasse1447]

I rarely put comments on videos, but I wanted to point out that the french translation of the song seems to point towards the theory that Kazui is not straight even more than the english translation . From 1:33, it says (in the french subtitles): my wishes I can’t admit, a glass to gulp them down (“ravaler ses désirs” in french means to hide what you want, to not go for what you want). Then at 1:45: Even while knowing that it’s impossible, this dream wouldn’t let me go. At 2:04 (and the most damning evidence): I’m tired of this, I’m different. Those feelings, that have always been repressed. I’m tired of this, I’m different. Those feelings, that wants to *vent their frustration out* (couldn’t find a proper translation to the expression “défoulé” in french, but the sentence has a whole means that his feelings want to get out, they don’t want to stay hidden anymore). Finally, at 2:40: I wanted to be loved like a cat. Act capricious and “te laisser en plan” (a french expression meaning leaving out someone in the cold, had to google it because it’s an uncommon expression where I live). Basically, what I get from those french subtitles is that Kazui hides away his feelings for men,but admits them to his wife at the end of the video. His wishes he can’t admit and the dream that wouldn’t go away seems, in the context, to be in love with another man. There’s this whole bit at 2:04, where it’s heavily implied that Kazui is in the closet. The part at 2:40 shows that Kazui thinks the relation that he had with his wife was (to him) a purely selfish and platonic relationship, he wanted to be with his wife because she admired him and gave him affection like a pet owner would do to it’s cat, but didn’t truly felt love and wanted to easily abandon her (probably because he was not attracted to her). Btw, take my translations with a grain of salt because english is my second language, but at this point, I’d be really surprised if the theory that Kazui is gay or another sexuality than straight turns out to be wrong.

[@barakito]

Totally agree with you, I'm just a french learner but both the lyrics and the notes in french really tries so hard to say that he has to hide himself, to lie to his wife because he is nothing but normal. Man had it really hard... In the part 1:50 the french text saying something like "Mes désirs que je ne peux pas évouer. En verre pour les laver. Ces palpitations, ça vais... C'est plus une histoire ... ou de .... Même en sachant que c'est impossible, ce rêve ne me quittait pas", so in short it's something like he has to drink and smoke to forget those dreams, the ones that he can't have, those palpitations he has for someone is not acceptable... He keeps saying throughout the song that he is not normal, he has unacceptable dreams that will both hurt him and his wife if he tries to 'be honest'. Also, when he looks at his wife through the glass, his wife appears as a man in vest? So when he's drunk, his real love is a man? To be honest, his story is such a bitter one, cause only when his wife dies does he get to be 'honest' with himself, or so he thinks? Also I saw a comment somewhere saying that neko is a term for someone bottoming in a homosexual relationship, so this could be what he means when he said that he wants to be loved like a cat? Just a little bit of my thoughts

[@carrot535]

Thank you for the info!

[@helloex-6767]

作中途中でルネマグモチーフとした要素を散りばめんの好きだしなにより カズイさん＋ルネマグを合わせるという有能な考えの良さよ…作画担当者さんもやけどミルグラム運営さんも流石や… このなんとも言えんミステリーに包まれた不可思議なカズイさんの役にピッタリすぎる

[@jnsknkzn]

こんだけ濃いヤツだらけのミルグラムで未だに底が見えないのヤバさが際立ってるわ…

[@draganis5114]

Kazui, my boy he did it 🎉🎉🎉. 2/3 of the smoker’s group has a million views. Shidou is so close to making it one million. Let’s go old men!

[@4wingedowl]

Kazui your not suppost to eat the dove! what will the ao3 tags think!?

[@therealaji]

NO YOU DIDNT SAY THIS

[@dipperdawn]

He says "This two way deceit. Victim and perpetrator, let's keep it simple," like he is taking the blame for a mess he recognizes took two people to create.

[@奏楽乃奏乃]

2:05 「タネも仕掛けもない」と謳われる手品の品々が零れ落ちているのって、ボロが出て仕掛け（嘘）がバレたってことなんだろうか……？

[@sora24929]

コメント失礼します。かも知れません。口に、行動に出してしまいボロがどんどん出ていってしまったと表現してるんじゃないでしょうか。次の歌詞が「この想い 望み通りにゃならない」なので叶わぬ恋だったのかな、と好きな人(前回の「half」に出てきたマスターじゃないかと考察）にバレてしまい、そのことをきっかけに奥さんにも話して別れて本命(マスター)と想いを通じ合いたい「この想い 望み通りにしたい」じゃないでしょうか。奥さんに話したところ今まで言葉や行動などが嘘だったと思い自殺したとか？

[@奏楽乃奏乃]

@@sora24929 少なくとも、誰かにとっては明かされたくない「嘘」だったようですね 手品では「ミスディレクション」という相手の注意を逸らし、別の方向へ誘導するという方法が取られています。 しかし、ミスディレクションに必要なはずの道具（嘘やまやかし）が無くなれば、必然的にスポットライトを当てられるのは彼の本質になります。 白日の下に晒された彼の本質は、彼女にとっては「マジックの種明かし」のように大きな落胆を生む可能性のあるものだったのかもしれませんね

[@くろつきなつき]

1:33あたりからの手品みたいなものがコロコロ変わっていくのは「手を変え品を変え」奥さんを愛そうとした比喩なのかなぁと思ったり。それと青い林檎の花言葉が「誘惑」「後悔」「原罪」らしいのでそれから目を逸らし続けた結果で起こった奥さんの結末とか...??? 奥さんがそのせいで亡くなったんだとすると女性の立場からすると赦せないけど「嘘をついたこと」と「殺人」って２つの罪で切り離して考えると後者のほうでは赦したいなぁと今のところ思う...

[@stxrvyq]

when trial 2 started, this was the song i was looking forward to most

[@pipluppalace]

1:03 "Victim and perpetrator, let's keep it simple." Rather than trying to look at what's truly behind his lies, it's easier for him (by extension everyone) to accept that he's the villain of the story and thus deserving of punishment. That's how I interpret it anyways.

[@DolusVulpes]

I absolutely love how simply revealing that the apple is a stand-in for a third person completely changes the entire context of the first song. the symbolism in these in general is excellent

[@Aura-866]

Voting him forgiven! We can clearly tell from the MV and the voice drama he didn’t cheat and also feels remorseful. Also love the theories people have been coming up with lmfao hopefully the “unforgiving shrine” shit don’t mess it up! 51 to 48 rn!!

[@kikikaichan]

It's much better compared to last month! We can do this! Fair and square!

[@randomexeter3627]

Except he's also being pretty blatant in his view that all you have to do is lie and pretend and that way the relationship will improve on its own, even if the relationship is built solely upon those lies. Which isn't exactly a good thing to encourage? Have you considered that a guilty judgement may direct the character to start developing more truth-based relationships?

[@Aura-866]

@@randomexeter3627 hmm I don't think so? Imo he knows that his lies killed his and despises himself for that, so if we voted him quilty we would be rejecting his honesty

[@adidoesstuff5999]

I have a plan but it needs everyone to be in on it. Instead of theorising on his crime, lets take advantage of the fact that they can hear pur voices and send messages to him to try and solve Milgram because if anyone can help us, it's him. Even if it doesn't work, it can confirm a few things on how the voices work. I'll edit this comment for a few things I want to say.

[@Daw2050]

I mean I don't see why we can't both theorize and do that, I actually thought of doing the same for Haruka regarding his threat. That being said it's implied that the voices they hear are dependant on what verdict they get. For example: Futa only ever heard voices telling him that what he did was wrong, he's a bad person, etc. While Haruka heard the opposite, telling him that what he did wasn't that bad or bad at all, how he's deserving of sympathy, justified, etc. I don't truly know if a comment that's not about their judgement will come through, but it's worth a shot in my opinion. We just shouldn't get our hopes up for it.

[@adidoesstuff5999]

@@Daw2050 We could, but I'm hoping to flood the comment section so our messages don't get drowned out by theories. If it fills over half (pun not intended) of the comment section, then if it doesn't work we will know for a fact that our messages are being blocked out by Milgram HQ rather than being drowned out by theories. Also, it will force Es to come up with their own justification like I'm assuming happened with Shidou, which will confirm that theory, plus their reasoning appears to be better than ours anyways so it's a win-win.

[@dexterousli]

This would rely on Kazui understanding English, haha

[@adidoesstuff5999]

@@dexterousli Crap I didn't think of that. It's fine I put my comment through Deepl to translate it into Japanese so hopefully he'll be able to see it if it doesn't get drowned out by the sea of comments.

[@iluVioletLink]

ok im gonna call him a catboy i hope he can hear me out calling that in his brain

[@TheUndeadNinja]

Just a cool detail: keeping up with the Magritte themes from his first video, this MV contains visual references to both his piece "Pleasure" (girl eating a bird) and "The Son of Man" (man with apple for a head). And, while less overt, the part where he lays down a white cloth over himself and his wife could be a reference to Magritte's "The Lovers".