MILGRAM / Kazui - Cat [The Second Trial Music Video]

“Lie, until it gets better, follow the king of the masquerade”
Vocal: Kazui (CV: Ryota Takeuchi)
2nd Trial 7th EP Kazui (CV: Ryota Takeuchi) “Cat” 2023.7.26 Release.
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■Music Credit
Lyrics: DECO*27
Music & Arrangement: Rockwell
■Movie Credit
Movie by OTOIRO
Director: DMYM
Concept Artist / Color Script: No.734
Character Designer: akka
Key Animator: akka, kee, RL, 1024, MAKARIA, Chihiro Yoshida, LEE MINJI
Animator / Finishing: MAKARIA
Color Supervisor: Miku Oi
Graphic designer: lowpolydog, GA, Mitsumi Yanokawa
Composite: GA, Naoki Hasegawa, Composite Team, kee, Yamato Kitazono, RL, nakuri, Mitsumi Yanokawa, lowpolydog, awashima, 1024
CG: awashima, GA
English Translator: Iori Majima
Art Director: DMYM
Original Character Designer: akka
Project Manager: Iori Majima
Sound Product Manager: Yusuke Sato
Story / Author: Takuya Yamanaka
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Tomonari Sakai (arma bianca)
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Lyrics:
Lie, until it gets better, follow the king of the masquerade
Since when have I ignored my feelings?
It’s better to be a let down, than to be let down yourself
I just wanted to touch, to caress
I just wanted to be touched
So it’s wrong? Oh shove that!
INNOCENT, isn’t that right?
Maybe, perhaps... or... could it come true... like
It’s for the sake of true love, who wouldn’t lie for that?
Love (plus) Destiny = Crap, smash it, shatter it, bye-bye
That sticky-sweet sequence: Dinner + Camouflage + You-Know-What
Loving Affection (minus) Love, it’s tacky, this two-way deceit
Victim and Perpetrator, let’s keep it simple
Lie, until it gets better, follow the king of the masquerade
Phew, oh wow I’m drunk
Hey, so what if I said I liked-liked you, what would you do?
I just wanted to ask, so it’s out in the open
I just got a little greedy
All those things I wanna do that I can’t say out loud
I gotta keep it inside and act
The beating of this heart... see... it’s no longer about good and bad... it isn’t
I realize the futility, but I still can’t help but dream
I can’t stop, I can’t be normal
This feeling, it can’t be gratified
I can’t stop, I can’t be normal
This feeling, it’s yearning to be satisfied
Let’s take a breather
Love (plus) Destiny = Crap, smash it, shatter it, bye-bye
To be caressed by you, that would be perfection
I wanted to be loved, just like a cat
Maybe act capricious, on my word and at my fancy
Lie, until it gets better, follow the king of the masquerade
Lick that sin and oppose punishment, until you can meet the king of the masquerade
©MILGRAM

[@ゆう-j1z3l]

自分の考察は、他の人の考察と少し違うところがあります。 具体的には以下の2点 1.同性愛者なのを自分からカミングアウトしたのではなく、意図せずして奥さんにバレた。 2.奥さんとの婚姻関係は本気で続ける気だった(本気で同性愛者である事は隠し通すつもりだった)。 1つずつ説明すると、 1.同性愛者なのを自分からカミングアウトしたのではなく、意図せずして奥さんにバレた。 この考えが出た一番の原因は2:33のシーン、カミングアウトしたにしてはヤケに焦りが前に出た表情をしてる。 →本来カミングアウトすると決めたのであれば、婚姻関係を結んでいる以上その後に軽くないゴタゴタがあるのは想像にかたくない。つまり、自分で言い出すということは相応の覚悟を決めているはず。であれば、話し合いの場において、あそこまで焦ったような、それこそカズイさん自身が恐怖を感じているような表情をするのは腑に落ちない。 その疑問から、動画内のシーンを基に以下のように考える。 本来は酔ってバラすつもりの無い本心を冗談めかして言った言葉(動画1:13)を、奥さんの関係者か何かに聞かれて、奥さんに意図せず伝わってしまい問い詰められたんじゃないかな？ それをフォロー(誤魔化)してるのが、2:33のシーンかなと。 2.奥さんとの婚姻関係は本気で続ける気だった(本気で同性愛者である事は隠し通すつもりだった)。 →逆張り好きなので、ちょっと強引。また、1の考察を前提に進めていくのであしからず。 まず最初の歌詞「嘘をつけ 楽になるまで 〜」の楽になるまでは、死ぬまで嘘を突き通すことを示しているのかなと感じました。 理由は既婚者が別の人への恋をしている際に「楽になる」ゴールは存在しないからです。つまり、明確にゴールがない状態でこのセリフが出てくるのは些か妙だなと感じました。 なので、基本的にカズイは婚姻関係の解消は全く考えてなかったんじゃないでしょうか。 また、今回のMVに出てくる手品道具ですが、これらは基本的に奥さんに向けて披露してるものになります。 これを騙す為の悪意ある嘘と捉えることも可能ですが、自分は手品道具＝相手を喜ばせるもの、と捉えて話を進めます。 動画内で、奥さんと机で向き合って話すようなシーン(動画内1:32)など見ると複数の種類の道具を使っていますが、これは夫婦関係を円満に進めるために数々の努力を示しているのではないでしょうか。 そして、もし手品道具＝婚姻関係持続のための努力説が正しかった場合、2:04の手品道具と共に崩れ落ちるシーンは、2:33のフォローを行った際にその全てが通じなかったことを暗示しているように思えます。 今まで行ってきた努力の数々、それらが意図せず伝わってしまった同性愛者疑惑を晴らすには一切有効でなかったために崩れ落ちた。 以上のことを踏まえて、カズイについて自分の考えをまとめます。 カズイは同、もしくは両性愛者でありバーのマスターに恋をしていた。が、時代など事情もあり奥さんとの結婚を選択。結婚を選んだからには必ず隠し通そうと考えて、夫婦円満でいられるような小さな努力を重ねてきたが、ある日バーにてこぼれてしまった本心を、他人に聞かれ人づてに奥さんに知られる。 あくまでも、婚姻関係を維持することを考えたカズイはあの手この手でフォローするが、奥さんの気持ちや疑惑、不安を解消するには至らず、奥さんが自殺。 上記を踏まえた疑問、矛盾。 1.動画内で出た「本当の愛を掴むため」とは？ →世間一般でいう本当の愛＝異性愛であれば、納得できるが断定材料がない。 2.婚姻関係を大切にしてた割には、「吐き気のするお飯事〜」のような発言はおかしい →自虐なのかなと。必死に取り繕っている歪な婚姻関係を、両方向からの愛で生まれたものでない＝お飯事と自嘲している。 吐き気のする、という形容も結婚生活よりも自分に向けてのベクトルが強いのだと感じました。 3.被害者と加害者でいいだろ、という発言 →これも恋人関係の始まりから常に自分は相手を騙してきたという、自分を皮肉ったものと感じた。 以上、長文ですみませんが、自分の考察でした。皆さんの笑いの種になれれば幸いです

[@hansnacht6080]

I think these are some really nice theories.

[@Arian-11]

Aaah, thank you. I had pretty much the same analysis, but you really helped tie things together. I think that things had been going relatively smoothly in their relationship, with her being impressed by his 'tools and tricks' but one day as he continues to dissuade her, the thought of the bartender metaphorically 'rolls under the table' and he catches it, showing that that is where his real priorities are. That same day (since he's wearing the same clothes in the bar scene scene I believe) he drunkenly confesses. I was confused if he told her or not but the idea that someone overheard makes a lot of sense given the scene of him falling to his knees and stumbling that I couldn't fit into my time-line. He was clearly distressed as his lies/efforts were torn away and fell useless to the floor. From there he grows tired and let's his resentment of their marriage and his performing out, telling her himself. This horrifies her, leading her to stumble backwards and seemingly fall off the balcony. Thus, in a way, Kazui 'killed' her.

[@なななな-z1w]

なんとなくですが、本当の愛を掴むためとのところ 騙し続けていた妻ではあったけれど、人間としては愛していたんじゃないかな〜って。恋人よりも家族とか友人に近いような愛だった。 性愛を抱くことはできなかったけれど、結婚生活を喜ぶ彼女を見て本当に嬉しかったし、本当に心から『愛』してはいた。 そんな彼女だからこそ、騙し続ける生活を続けていればもしかしたら普通の異性愛者のように愛せて『本当の愛』を掴めるんじゃないかと思っていた〜みたいな意図かなって…

[@thechibilitwick7464]

besides the forbidden fruit symbolism and whatnot, i actually like that it's specifically a green apple used to represent kazui... like from the surface it stands out against the rest of the red apples, but in the end it's still just an ordinary apple. kazui being gay or even just not fitting into the norms of masculinity/society may be seen as unconventional, but none of it makes him any less of a person. (and knowing kazui he probably knows that but just refuses to apply it to himself cuz hypocrisy) anyways happy pride month old man yaoi

[@lukexkai]

That sounds so sad but at the same time so true... Kazui would think that for sure, just like being gay doesn't change the fact that he is a human but he can't stop thinking that is because of that the reason why his family hates him, Hinako killed herself and he were there alone only with his lies...

[@Resp_wn]

it also shows that he is fruity. bravo milgram

[@anothersecret08]

HE BEAT THE CHEATING ALLEGATIONS BUT NOT THE HOMOSEXUAL ONES!!!!!!!!!!!

[@espresso_beans]

REAL

[@ely.lingss]

he'll never beat the gay ones ❗❗

[@samalacha590]

Happy pride to our silly little cat boi 🫶🏳️‍🌈✨️

[@BakedBeans243]

Never ever forget the title is probably referencing the fact that cat or “Neko” is used as a term for a submissive gay man (essentially a bottom) in Japan , they literally queercoded the title , the closet is made of glass.

[@BakedBeans243]

It has been two months but I would like to add that further more when he says “I want to be loved by a cat” this by association with the term “Neko” means that Kazui wants to be dominated so in conclusion Kazui is not just gay but a bottom thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[@mochimochi8251]

Read this when first watching the MV, I had just gone over his marriage part and I was like "huh" Now this comment won't leave my head no matter what I do

[@excalibuur9925]

​@@BakedBeans243 NEKO KAZUI REALL

[@namkwal]

@@BakedBeans243 this is incredibly real

[@user-uj1zf8er3j]

皆が言うようにカズイがゲイなら奥さんが死ぬのも説得力が生まれるんだよな 「他に好きな女性が出来て浮気してしまった」と「実は男性が好きで君のことは別に好きでもなんでもなかった」 じゃダメージがまるで違う

[@user-youmou_]

1度でも見て選んでもらえたのとそもそも初めから眼中にもなかったとじゃ大分違いますよね…

[@tukihotaru2193]

そういえばボイスドラマでエスの事カズイは色目で見て殴られていたなぁ…

[@user-hm8bb4om4v]

​@@tukihotaru2193それってどっちのボイスドラマの話ですか？

[@user-uf9wp9bj8e]

ゲイならフータを助けた所でわざわざ言うのも納得かもと個人的に思ってます

[@khiroko0329]

@@tukihotaru2193第2審の6分前後ですね！

[@コロコロゲーム-r2t]

これ、、同性愛者として見るならcatってタチネコのネコ（立ち位置的に女性）として見れるし歳的に理解をしてくれるのが難しい年代だからずっと隠し続けるってのも理解ができる。 これは確実にこじつけだけどcatになれない（no）を付けるとcan'tになる。

[@コロコロゲーム-r2t]

これ、、ネコみたいに愛して欲しかったって言ってるからより答えに近づいてしまった感が…

[@restart906]

天才か？？？その解釈大好きだわ

[@ねこのここねここのこねこのこ]

あー、そう考えると途中の女性的な言い回しも大分納得するな…初めはそういう感じの演出かと思ったけど同性愛者で内面は女性側に近しいと考えると… 途中で女性の声あるんだけどそこの歌詞が｢言えないようなしたい事 飲み干して仕舞わなきゃ｣だから俺個人の中ではかなり有力説になってきちゃった…

[@Nekasa1123]

2:08 の「普通じゃない」が「I can't be normal」なのが性的指向の意味でのノーマルになれないだったりするのかなとか考えてみたり

[@Hittingonall6s]

When I read "OLD MAN YAOI??" on the live chat I started cry laughing

[@ely.lingss]

fr the live chat is so unhinged lol "KAZUI R34 🔛🔝" "BRO THINKS HES A DANGANROPA CHAR" "LEAVE HIM PLEASE I CAN TREAT YOU BETTER" and also that one person spamming about mikoto 😭😭 i can't with this fandom

[@penbfdia]

I WAS SPAMMING OLD MAN YAOI

[@ely.lingss]

@@penbfdia SO IT WAS YOU

[@penbfdia]

@@ely.lingss YES…

[@penbfdia]

@@ely.lingss actually it was like me and my friend grouo but YEAH..

[@ecowo57]

I came back to watch this during pride month

[@菊花-k5f]

MV見て声がいいとか本人の恋愛対象とか色々あるけどとりあえず何が一番しんどいかって、『恋人への愛が重すぎて相手を死に追いやった恋する女の子』の次に『好きになった人に告白どころか相手への気持ちすらも押さえ込んで生きていかないといけなかった男』をぶん投げてくるところよ

[@ヌボギョストランチェ]

最後の鳩を食い殺したところ、鳩と言えば平和の象徴だけど平穏だった夫婦生活を自分で壊してしまったってことかな

[@user-kf3tg7ul4p]

それに奥さんは絶望したんだな…やっぱり自殺に追い込んだのか…

[@tukihotaru2193]

@@user-kf3tg7ul4p2:47の様子を見ていると『飛び降りた』んじゃなく『突き落とされた』に見えるんだけど真相はどうなんだろうね？

[@kurukuru_mawaruM]

​@@tukihotaru2193 ひょっとしたら「絶望のどん底に」突き落とされたのかもしれませんし、物理的にそうされたのかもしれませんね……

[@sommelier_]

0:17 の衣装とかからも、カズイさんは警察官だったことがうかがえるんですが… 平和を守る職の人が鳩を食い殺すって表現とんでもないですよね……

[@ブリッジ蜘蛛歩行型のゴキブリ]

全員が人殺しってことはワンチャン嫁さん喰い殺してたり………

[@ao44411]

恋について歌ってる第一審で遠巻きにしていた青リンゴが、第二審では ・手に取る ・自分の足元に転がってくる ・1:45あたりのグラスに映る自分の顔に置き換わる 2曲通じて自分を散々普通じゃない、異質だと言っており、大量の赤リンゴに青リンゴは1個などの対比から、 青リンゴ＝”普通”から逸脱している自分の恋心 赤リンゴ＝奥さんをはじめ周囲の普通の恋愛観の人々 触れたりどうこうしてはいけないが、常に意識してしまう片想いの象徴か その青リンゴが顔に置き換わる1:45、お酒を背景にバーにいる時の格好をしている バーとお酒に焦点を当てて見ると、まずバーで携えてるのは一貫してウイスキー また一審では恋の相手は空席の椅子で置き換えで、二審でも恋心を告白する際に相手の姿はちらっとも出ないが、代わりにあのバーのウイスキーがある ウイスキー＝バーでの時間、そこで会う人物が本命 カモフラージュで女性を伴って通ってたが、情+相手からの恋愛感情+普通を装う偽造という都合の良さで結婚したため、バーに思うように行けなくなり想い焦がれが募っている？ 世間体装うために結婚しといて素行不良に見えることはしないだろうし 以上家でのワイン↔バーでのウイスキーの対比からの邪推 結婚指輪をタバコに換えてわざと火を消す、また鳩に置き換えてわざわざ目の前で荒っぽく食い殺してるってのは、情はあったし暴力振るったりしないとはいえ、フラストレーション溜まってよっぽどショック与えて傷つけてやりたくなってしまったのかなぁ お前なんて口寂しさを埋めるための消耗品だって 結果奥さんはおそらくメンタル崩壊して身投げ バーならバーテンダーがいるものだが、このバーテンダー、一審ではカズイと直接コミュニケーション取っている描写はない でも二審では結婚式の客のセンターにいる 招待するほどなら仲がいいんだろう しかもこの場面でセンターとか、よっぽどこの場にいてほしかったのかいてほしくなかったのか、誰よりも注目しているような表現 そして面と向かって相対する描写が徹底してない片想い相手 この男、 まだまだ本心隠してる？

[@めるも-d6x]

一番しっくり来ました…。 バーのシーン、好きって言ったら〜の時、正面向いてないですか…？ それってバーテンダーの人が居る方向ですよね…。 もしかしたらカズイはそもそも異性愛者じゃないとか…？

[@ao44411]

かなーと思っちゃうんですよね…… このMVのモチーフに手品が入ってるのも気になるんですよ…… 手品の極意って、一部分で派手なパフォーマンスをして目を引き付けておくことで肝心なとこからは注意をそらさせるミスディレクションなので…… この場合結婚という茶番が手品だったんだろうけど、MVの内容自体もパフォーマンスがかってるので……

[@めるも-d6x]

@@ao44411 まさにミスディレクションですよね、奥さんとの結婚式のシーンがやけに派手だったのとかもうそうとしか思えないです… コトコの襲撃から女性のマヒルじゃなくて真っ先にフータ庇ってるのもなんか気になってたんですよね…わざわざジャッカロープが言及してましたし…この男沼が深過ぎます…

[@kaju_jino]

しかも結婚式で拍手してるバーテンダーさんの左手薬指に指輪があるので、カズイさんの想い人(推定)は既婚者かつ異性愛者ということになりますね……

[@こたぽんこずえ]

カズイさんの曲で1番多い表現でマジックがあって、 マジックはBARでもあるから、もしかしたら本当にバーの人に恋してるかもね……

[@fromtheolivetrees]

Y’all know that all the discussions we have, that they can all see this. Kazui’s seeing all the gay theories lmwo

[@mariabravo2705]

Yes, and I love that

[@guyturtle]

I mean we had only S1 guilty ones + Yuno mention the voices. Kazui had pretty much ignored it in his voice drama. I mean, he mentioned that he is disappointed that milgram hadn't solved his scenario, so I guess he's never heard of bartender shippings. But that's just a theory.... A GAAAAAAAY THEORY

[@fromtheolivetrees]

@@guyturtle dang, I really hope he mentions them in T3, it would be so funny. But I do wonder if he has heard the bartender shippings and he’s saying it’s a different story (I hope not though, he’s currently King Yaoi the 4th in my heart)

[@antihappy746]

｢愛して欲しかった猫みたいに｣ 猫は甘やかされ可愛がられるまさに愛玩動物って感じで、カズイさんは大人としてとか守ってやるみたいな逞しさや男らしい発言が多い気がする 大人としての責任はそりゃ感じてるだろうけどそういうのを抜きにして甘えられて愛してくれる相手と本当は付き合いたかったのかもしれない 直前に｢あなたに愛されるのが理想なんだった｣って言ってるし

[@asogizer505]

congratulations to kazui for having the best styled mv and theme ever

[@doordonut-.-281]

So true 🎉🎉🎉he looks so sauve here

[@SiSoz]

Honestly a 1 up on all this MV was built from 🙌

[@akitotolilbro]

real

[@commonirony60]

Ngl Kazui is the first one where I’ve loved both the first and second trial videos equally (not that the others aren’t also fantastic, I just tend to prefer one over the other)

[@Someone-zn4dh]

Legit, I actually could not make myself stop watching it. Its just so eye-pleasing

[@na0mitsuy0ku22]

HEAR ME OUT HEAR ME OUT. So everyone is saying "he ate the bird he ate the bird" The dove at the end is actually the ring. Start of the video, he turns the ring into the dove. At the end of the video he eats that dove. That dove represents the ring, their marriage. He destroyed their marriage hence why he "ate" the dove. Edit: Also i think the reason its a dove is because the symbolism of it, it means freedom and in this case it can be because marriage, seen by most people and i think kazui too, as something that limits your freedom. Yet another edit: Another thing could be that Kazui wanted affection (shown in the lyrics) but maybe he didnt want the commitment. "Loving affection (minus) Love, its tacky" I feel like Kazui really wanted the affection that an agreement such as marriage and such would provide but didnt actually want the commitment of the relationship or maybe it was just that he did not love the woman back whichs a possibilty. "I just got a little greedy" I think that he used the woman for her affection and such and didnt love her back. "I want to be loved just like a cat" im still not sure what exactly that means but again, it could be the attention and affection you put into your cat maybe if its like a street cat, you feed it and pet it without any attachment and such.

[@4wingedowl]

well at least it wasnt a dead dove

[@sandmaru]

I think your right but I also think at the same time the dove also represents his "trick" (him lying about how he felt) and eating it could then also show how he maybe revealed the information thus destroying his trick and the marriage

[@flodotstatix]

No literally this. Literally this. I get the shock at first but it's such a clear metaphor for the death of their relationship it's not even funny

[@foderis8777]

​@@flodotstatixHe tore up the bird, same how he tore apart their Marriage.

[@na0mitsuy0ku22]

@@sandmaru yeah that makes so much sense he would be exposing the whole trick situation alongside the whole divorce thing at the end which is the end of the video, the dove scene! I never thought of that before

[@mitukasama1179]

mv見る度にあるドラマの「同性を愛することもそれを隠すことも非難されるべきではないが、間違いなくそれによって悲劇（殺○）を生んでしまった」というセリフを思い出す…

[@Luxito5476]

For the ones who think Kazui cheated: He confirmed in his voice drama that he didn't, that wasn't his crime. He said that he's been lying since he was a kid. When he stopped lying, that truth "killed" his wife. I've read a theory that says that Kazui is actually in love with the bartender. If you pay attention when Kazui says he's drunk and "What if I told you that I like like you?" he was probably at the bar. He's drinking something different from what he's drinking with his wife in the next scene. When he sees his wife through the alcohol glass he sees himself with the outfit he had at the bar with the green apple replacing his head. To me, that green apple represents Kazui's homosexuality. So maybe he got drunk and couldn't hide the truth about his homosexuality anymore. Another small hint is that in his new voice drama, he said he never had kids even though he's an "old" man who's been married for a long time. Kazui is guilty of homosexuality. I rest my case.

[@kishistuff1376]

Rather than the “homosexuality” part shouldnt it be about lying about it ?

[@thatminer7174]

​@@kishistuff1376yeah it would likely be constantly lying and with the "why cant i be normal" thinking he needs to repress it till it came out and so his wife realized that the entire time it wasnt real love from him, it was just him using her and then instead of being honest with her keeping the lies up.

[@De_Lune8002]

I dont understand the green apple being homosexuality Can someone explain please?

[@obyn6751]

A comment I saw somewhere else said that the green apple appearing over his head in that scene might have been a reference to "The Son of Man" painting by Magritte, and looking at what the painter said about that, it seems to fit thematically with Kazui's whole deal: "You have the apparent face, the apple, hiding the visible but hidden, the face of the person. It's something that happens constantly. Everything we see hides another thing, we always want to see what is hidden by what we see. There is an interest in that which is hidden and which the visible does not show us. This interest can take the form of a quite intense feeling, a sort of conflict, one might say, between the visible that is hidden and the visible that is present." So I don't think the apple itself isn't a representation of him being gay necessarily, more just of his hidden nature, his facade.

[@sub.titles]

right before this "what if i said i like like you" scene you could hear the drink being prepared too.... 👀

[@nume_name_none]

カズイさんやっぱりゲイだと思うんですよ そして本当に不貞行為自体はしていない (追記:ゲイじゃなくてトランスかもしれないしまだ色々可能性はあるけど少なくとも世間一般の言う男らしさを求められるのは嫌だろうなって感じ) halfも浮気の歌だとしたら合わない歌詞が多かったしそれよりは片思いの相手に向けてる感じ それこそ同性の友達とかに言うような歌詞もあったし MVで女性の体に手を回してる時も触れないようにしてた辺り女好きとか浮気も平気でするとかみたいなタイプじゃない 年齢(ミルグラム開始時39歳)考えれば同性愛が今よりも酷く扱われてた時代に生きてたわけだしその頃は世間もまだほとんどは結婚して子供を産むのが正しい人生って認識だったはず 奥さんと結婚して子供こそ作れなくても愛しているように生きてたけど辛くなってカミングアウトしたら奥さんが結婚も愛も嘘だったことに絶望して自...した halfのラスサビで画面外して最後に仮面つけ直してるのは正直にカミングアウトしたら人を傷つけてしまった(死なせた)からそれでまた本心を隠すようになったんだと 嘘をつき続ければよかったってのはこれが理由だと思う(第一審尋問) 子供の頃から本心を言ったことがない(ドラパ意訳)って言ってたのは自覚してからず〜〜〜っとストレートのフリをしてきたからってのが主だと思う 弱さを許容してほしいとは思うとも尋問で言ってたしね あとはユノちゃんとの会話で好きな異性のタイプを答えて嘘だと見抜かれてたり アンダーカバーのMVでは奥さんの遺体を抱えて嘆き叫ぶようなシルエットだったので人としては好いてたと思う 嘆きが後悔か懺悔かはわからないけど 本心を隠して奥さんを愛する夫として暮らしてたのも赦さないって言われたらどうしようもない ついでに猫は愛玩動物の代表みたいなところあるから愛されたい気持ちの現れとカズイさんはネコなんだろうなって感じでダブルミーニングだと思いたい 俺で妥協してくれませんか...？

[@ck-rw9cw]

この考察しっくり来ました！

[@flowerene2630]

ああ、同意します!!

[@ヘラジカ-j1h]

最高の考察班いたーーーー!！🎉🎉🎉

[@あいな-e7l]

すごく府に落ちました最高の考察ですね

[@毛玉鳥-v7x]

すごくいい考察だと思ったらただの長めの愛の告白だったんだが

[@あああう-c4y]

0:45 「本当の愛を掴むためだ、嘘もつくだろ」って歌詞めっちゃ良いな。 本当の愛を手に入れるための手段に嘘を選んじゃうのがカズイっぽくてはちゃめちゃに好き。

[@dexterousli]

Over a year later, I want to say something about the dove. People have been saying it represents peace (as it does as a cultural icon) or Kazui and Hinako's marriage. However, if we note that the mask Kazui wears in half resembles modern versions of a Colombina mask from the Commedia dell'Arte, then the dove would represent Kazui's farce--his ultimate "trick" that he shows to Hinako. I'd go more into Colombina as a specific character for Kazui and the implications thereof, but it'd be way too long for a normal KZbin comment. Instead, I'll just say that "colombina" literally means "little dove," so it's a perfect tie-in to the "magician" theme they give Kazui here in Cat!

[@iluVioletLink]

Hello everyone. I would like to touch on a choice of words Milgram creators used for "Lie until it gets better, follow the king of the masquerade". While the word "Masquerade" thematically fits Cat's MV, the actual Japanese word they've used is actually "Kyougen", which could explain a little more into Kazui's narrative as a whole. Most of this information is from Wikipedia so my explanation will be VERY brief... Kyougen, or "Mad Words", is a form of traditional Japanese comic theater. (You can hear the word Kyougen being sung everytime the word Masquerade pops up in the lyrics.) Kyougen is usually played within Noh (another form of Japanese theatre, Nogaku), and is supposed to be an "intermission" sequence that happens in-between Noh. While Noh is formal, symbolic, and solemn, has serious singing/dancing, Kyougen is "comedic" - the main goal is to make the audience laugh. More elements of Kyougen include "stock characters (less than three actors)" and elements of slapstick and satire. It's interesting to note that actors in Kyougen don't wear masks unless you play as an animal (or a god) clashing the meaning of Milgram's official usage of "masquerade". Kyougen has parallels with Greek satyr play, which is also a style of comical play performed between tragedies. So with this information, it makes sense why half is presented in a melancholic light, and Cat is more upbeat and jazzy (half would be Noh and Cat would be Kyougen). I hope you can keep this in mind while analyzing/theorizing about Kazui! I don't think we should disregard their official usage on using "Masquerade" since the fun of Milgram is judging everything under your interpretation, but I also think making this difference can be important to understanding more things about Kazui. I bring this distinction up because I personally think that using "masquerade" is too general. Letting people know what the JP word for it is can give us more context and clues regarding this silly cat. Do you think T3 Kazui MV could turn back into a dramatic/melancholic style? EDIT: useful tidbits about Kyougen I found through a Japanese user's comment + adding more info about Kyougen from @/herm8281. Keep in mind this was paraphrased from a google translation. - Kyougen can also mean a "fabricated story that is a lie"/"something done to deceive people and gain profit from them" - Kyougen is a dialogue based drama, does not use complex equipment, and places emphasis through words and gestures - Stories are taken from every day life/folktales as its subject matter, focusing on human habits and essence -much of the humor comes from a clear understanding that the characters are not acting properly, which is very different from a masquerade. look up "kyougen laughter" to see what i mean. -the satire in kyougen usually involves the deception of privileged individuals, like nobles or kings. -while most japanese people are familiar with kyougen as a concept, it's not all that popular in the modern day. Also, another important detail I forgot to mention. If I remember correctly, the "follow the king of the masquerade" line accurately translates to "imitate the Kyougen actor" which brings a slightly different meaning from the ENG line.

[@yowl9999]

Thank you for your explanation! This is super interesting! I also love the Fates icon lol. Flora’s great. I think it’d be really cool if it turned melancholy again, though I’d also love to see it make a surprise happy twist if he is voted inno … Good luck Kazui!!!!!!

[@choisok]

This was very helpful and interesting, thank you!!

[@rasen7721]

its also an ado album (in general milgram translations take Certain Liberties and id always recommend reading up on other interpretations)

[@darkfoxmania]

it depends if he's forgiven or not

[@herm8281]

more information on kyougen from someone who just studied it as part of a japanese class in japan this summer: -much of the humor comes from a clear understanding that the characters are not acting properly, which is very different from a masquerade. look up "kyougen laughter" to see what i mean. -the satire in kyougen usually involves the deception of privileged individuals, like nobles or kings. -while most japanese people are familiar with kyougen as a concept, it's not all that popular in the modern day. not sure how much connection these facts have individually, but i did want to add to OP's great post shedding light on an important aspect of the translation!!! -

[@歯車-s8z]

視聴前は、「猫をかぶる」からcatなのかなって思ったけど、マジシャンの相棒のような鳩にかぶりついてる姿や最後の目が、まんま「猫そのもの」なのがなんか…凄いな…

[@ecowo57]

I just had a dream where they posted the song from the third trial. They confirmed Kazui is gay, but they used a Naruto opening to show it 😭

[@ecowo57]

btw in case I predict something, he started the MV looking at a mirror where he was with a man at the bar

[@loveice-cream4392]

this feels like something that is ridiculous but actually makes sense. the mental image was amazing

[@penbfdia]

i made a sign that says “i ♥️ you kazui” and im planning to carry it around like a crazy person

[@さわしま]

動画とボイスドラマから考察 めっちゃメモ書き程度の考察です まずボイスドラマから ・エスの「不貞だろ？」に対し「不貞（浮気や不倫）にすらなれなかった」 →カズイの片思いで終わっている恋心がある ・指輪を外したことを指摘されると、ようやく外して良くなったとまるで指輪が枷になっていたかのような発言 →奥さんとの結婚生活が精神的に重かった ・子供はいない 動画から ・奥さんからカズイとの恋愛が始まった様子 ・シャンパングラスに映るのが奥さん→緑りんご頭の男性に →緑りんご頭の男性と奥さんを重ねて見ている →カズイさんの好きな人は男性？ ・結婚式のシーンで真ん中に映る男性は髭の形からカズイではない、カズイと別の男性だとわかる これらを総合して考えて、カズイは男性に恋をしていた。しかも奥さんと関係のある人。 個人的には男性は奥さんの兄弟とかなのかなと思いました。 また発見があったら随時コメントします…

[@restart906]

カズイさんが好きだった人が奥さんの兄弟だとしたら気づかないうちに 奥さんと兄弟の似ている部分を重ねて見ちゃってたんだろうな… しんど…この考察最高です… ありがとうございます…

[@YU-yl9lr]

シャンパングラスに映った奥さんが男性に変わるシーンの話なんですが、服装がhalfのバーでのカズイと一緒なので、流石にカズイ自身なのかなと思いました…

[@nume_name_none]

0:21 ｢後悔するより させる方がずっといいや｣の所、画面の文章が英語歌詞にもない"Lie,"で始まってるんだよな ここの歌詞は本心じゃない可能性がある

[@柚季1]

これ毎回言ってる気がするけどこのMVが群を抜いて好みすぎる

[@gojinekotarosu]

第一審でも出てたけど、青いリンゴは自分の本音なのかな はみ出した恋(周りに合わせられない・はぐれ)とそれを踏み抑えたりお酒で誤魔化してでも隠したい自分 でも最後は嘘を吐き続ける(マジックの種が全て落ちる)ことが出来なくなって、真実を告げて(平和の象徴及び吐いた嘘である鳩を食べる)その結果結婚した妻を傷付けることになった…のか…？ でも、ボイスドラマのことと心象風景であることを考えるとこうしたかったとかの方なのかな 猫被り(嘘をつく)をやめて、本性を出したいとかなのか…わからないけど猫目かわいいね…

[@gremin9541]

I can’t wait until the interrogation comes out and it’s just Kazui sitting down with a crooked smile, smoking a cigarette, with the same smooth voice as ever and he finally asks Es why they voted him innocent for what he did. Out of all the prisoners why they overlooked him for what he did. Not angry. Not sad. Just curious. And Es looks him dead in the eyes and asks “hey, are you gay or what man.”

[@haveanicedaymyself3087]

SORRY THIS IS SO FUNNY GKFKFKDK I WANT THAG TO HAPPEN

[@gremin9541]

I’m crying all the comments are about the gay theory. We’re really in it this time Kazui……………….. I personally believe in the theory of Kazui merely attempting to be “normal” by rushing through his marriage and trying to find a perfect pure love and achieve the happiness he saw other people achieve, putting on a mask and a facade, that fell down the moment for once in his life he decided to be honest and that ended up breaking his wife because the truth was that he never truly loved her for “her”. It’s hinted that he wanted to be caressed, and caress, the fact is that through their time together he couldn’t even stand to learn to “truly” love her for anything more than her body but maybe it’s even more than that. Maybe he’s lonely and was accepting of anyone’s warmth were they willing. But, like, you can see what happened. Because he never truly loved her and was greedy and wanted more than just her. Whatever that means. Be it physically, or emotionally, he couldn’t give her back her love and he wanted to like the song title who wanted to be indulged, and selfish and have freedom instead of being held down. he lied to her face thinking that lie of happiness would inevitably would become the truth and while she was happy he was boiling on the inside, slowly breaking apart. But, it never did and he snapped. I think he did care for her truly. A platonic type of love. I want to believe Kazui truly does know better now and he did know better to or rush into a relationship or pretend for the sake of anyone else ever again, it’s just that now he hates himself for what he did, and he’s going to live with that hate with the rest of his life and wear his wedding ring like a albatross around his neck if we don’t tell him it’s okay. I think that people can change. That he deserves to be innocent because he knows what happened and what he did was wrong by leading her along with his feelings that weren’t there. That he needs to learn that living a truthful life is okay, too. If he had done that from the start, it would’ve been okay and he never would’ve needed to lie, and the truth wouldn’t have hurted so much, but the truth wasn’t the problem. his only crime is holding out for so long on the lie he kept to spare her feelings instead of telling her the truth from the get go since he bought her expectations so high when they broke apart it ended up in her death. He never needed to be normal. Just go on Grindr, old man. I hate how it’s canon that the prisoners canonly hear voices whispering to them. He’s going to be hearing “homosexual homosexual gay gay gay homosexual” every time he goes to sleep.

[@gremin9541]

if he is gay though he wanted that bartender from half carnally

[@aureus3234]

Why does everyone believe in the gay theory?? It just does not make any sense. Everyone is thinking too much!! He's just a manipulative liar who masks his true self. "I want to be normal"? *It's all lies.* Why do you all believe it? He confesses to lying yet everyone believes everything he says? He just wants to be loved like a cat. Someone that is loved unconditionally, someone who is cherished, someone who is loved in the way he wants or when he wants, just like a cat.

[@watertastesgood5578]

​@@gremin9541OMG YOU'RE RIGHT. I FORGOT THAT THEY CANONICALLY HEAR US.

[@No-ii7do]

後悔するよりさせる方がいいっていう歌詞が最高だな カズイの本性をこれでもかと表現している

[@No-ii7do]

待てよ…？ これMVの方の英語文が歌詞と違う！ Google先生によると「嘘だ、失望されるよりも失望するほうがいい」と… …どっちが本心だ！？ それによっちゃ俺はカズイさんにスライディング土下座しなきゃ行けなくなる…！！

[@Amina0720]

ふぁ!? こんなところでも嘘が!? 曲者すぎるぞカズイさん…

[@RuheLUUE]

@@No-ii7do 英語でもちゃんと「失望するよりされる方がいい」って書いてあると思いますよ！

[@Toketa_a]

嘘つきなら、歌詞で言ってることも嘘だったり…？とは思ってたけど、そんな所にまで隠されてたの！？！？ 重厚なマダミスでもやらされる？？？？普通そんな所まで見ないよ(()) カズイさんの本心はどっちなんだ……エスくんが紛れもない日本人ならば日本語を嘘にする…と安直に考えてしまうが…いやわっかんねぇぞこれ、なんならどちらでもないとか、気分(?)で考え方変わることだって人間あるし…

[@鐘田凛]

​@@RuheLUUE ｢a let down｣が｢がっかりした｣ ｢let down｣が｢失望させる｣ らしいのでおそらく ｢嘘だ、失望(後悔)されるよりする方がいい｣で合っていると思いますよ！

[@kurukuru_mawaruM]

この曲のタイトルは確かに"Cat"だけど、CDジャケットに書かれた英語タイトルは"Just like a cat"、しかもそのフレーズは「愛してほしかった　猫みたいに」"I wanted to be loved just like a cat"に現れているから、この曲の本題ってこのワンフレーズに込められてるんじゃないかな……

[@kurukuru_mawaruM]

個人的には、この「猫」を解釈するにあたって、その後の「気まぐれ」って単語、随所に現れる本来多用しすぎるとあまり良い印象を抱かれない言葉(「叶うのかしら」の英訳に"like"って使われてるけど、これって「えーと……」という意味で多用すると良い顔されない)を重く受け止めたいと思ってる 他の人がコメントしているように、性的嗜好を表す意味でばら蒔いたなら、一審楽曲の態度や物を隠すような表現の割にはかなり安直すぎると思う

[@蜜幹]

しかしマジで本音隠すの上手いなこの人。パーソナリティ(異性との結婚に失敗した同性愛者？)らしきモノは開示してるけど、何故”ヒトゴロシ”になったのかの経緯っぽいモノはMV内にも歌詞にもほとんど描写してないし。

[@黒猫-g3z]

このMV見るまでは アロマンティック(性的欲求はあるが恋愛感情を抱けない人)なのかと思ってたけど 台詞からして同性愛者の方が可能性高そうかな....心象風景見ても本心が読みづらいから 本人の言う通り根っからの嘘つきなんだろうな....

[@user-hm8bb4om4v]

猫ってBLとかで使われる受け攻めの「タチ・ネコ」のことかなあって思ったんだけどどうなのかな…🤔

[@にゃん-f7j]

セクシャリティ？

[@bws8495cc]

そう思うとマヒルよりフータを優先して助けたのもカズイの好みに関係あるかもしれないですね 奥さんを幻滅させた/人生破壊された=殺した？的な感じかな

[@billy4lifeify]

​@@bws8495cc彼がまひるを救えなかったのはそんなばかばかしい理由ではなく、ただ物理的に彼女を助けることができなかっただけだ

[@ChucurMarten]

I'm not sure how relevant this could be to theories, but since Kazui's MV is one of the most graphically striking so far, I think it's worth pointing out. The graphic style of his MV is very heavily inspired by Swiss Design (or more accurately International Typographic Style) which was arguably the most popular graphic design style between the 50s and the 80s. The usage of basic geometric forms with flat colors (in grid-like structures and overlapping with each other), the prominence of typography and strong hierarchy of shape and size (big blocks of bold letters next to extremely small text) are all used here. Also worth pointing out that the font used for the english text is Helvetica, another font created during this era with an emphasis on legibility and flexibility. I find it interesting because the values of this style of design seem to be the entire opposite of Kazui's: this school of thought placed importance on *communicating things as clearly as possible* not bothering with exaggeration or artifice or anything that may muddle the message. On the other hand, Kazui is obsessed with artifice, superficiality and illusion, actively hiding his feelings and intentions. It may also be an ironic element meant to point out his complete inability to communicate clearly. Another possible link is that proponents of this style approached it in a very cold, scientific way, and didn't see design as an art form because artistry and subjectivity gets in the way of clear communication. We can assume Kazui is a very artistically minded person (both his first song and this one heavily feature the concept of theatre) so it may represent him feeling overwhelmed by society's expectations (marriage, a settled life) clashing with his desire for artistry and freedom.

[@kremstoin]

Very good point!

[@holly3330]

I thought it felt a lot like an advertisement. Like with how clean and distinct everyone is. I also saw someone say that the English text is actually another thing that points to it (as since this is all presumably in Japan, the use of English text is usually only used if you want to market to a market of English speakers) Honestly I think the visual style is very important to this MV, as most of the other ones have had fun metaphors in imagery. While this one has meaning due to the lack of any obvious imagery in a sense. Kazui is…advertising, for lack of a better word. He’s presenting himself as marketable and sanitized up until the end. I’m big on the “Kazui’s sexuality is not compatible with his wife” theory and it would tie into that really well. I feel like the MV has a lot of subtext about normalcy and the lie that is the “ideal heterosexual cisgender” couple so I thought it was interesting how the MV felt like an advertisement of sorts. Great breakdown! I’ve been wanting to know what exactly the style used in this MV is for a bit.

[@iokiart2622]

This is a great analysis!!!

[@patchopaa383]

That’s incredible omg

[@gyrasolune5436]

Personally another extremely striking thing with the artstyle in the context of the song being about lying is one that's easy for us, as EN viewers to overlook: It's filled to the brim with the song's lyrics displayed on screen...but they're in English. And sometimes French. That is to say, not the language he's actually singing in. It's such a good way to parallel the idea of deceiving through half-truths and obfuscating language - he's 'lying' every time a word is on screen.

[@あおあお-y7i]

二人で車に乗ってる時女性の方は照れてるけどカズイさんは照れてないことから、恋愛的には好きではないと考える。指輪をあげるシーンで「本当の愛を掴むためなら嘘もつくだろう」というセリフからも伺えるように女性との結婚は本当の愛だとは思っていない。男女友達で「お前」呼びはする人はよくいるが、カズイさんはそんなタイプには見えない。また、ワイン（？）越しに見た奥さんの姿が青りんごになった時、どう見てもガタイが良いので男性だと考えられる。「どんなに夢とわかっていても、夢を見るだろう」というセリフから、カズイさんは奥さんの場所にいるのが青りんごの人だったらなぁ〜と、要するに奥さんよりも青りんごの人と一緒にいるのが夢と言っている。以上のことから、カズイさんはゲイの方なのでは？と考える。それに、自分のことを普通じゃない。って言ってるのも今は時代的に多様性とかで認められてきたけど、昔は同性愛が普通ではない時代ではなかったからそれのことを言ってると思う。「この想い」も思いではなく、想いを使ってることから（思いだと脳で考えてだが、想いだと心からになる。恋の表現として主に使われるのは想いの方）青りんごの人が好きということがみてとれる。ちなみに、鳩の腸の部分はカズイさんの本心をさらけ出したということだと思うのだが、奥さんはそれを引いてしまったシーンだと思う。題名のCatは猫みたいに自由気ままに囚われず生きたかったの表れなのと、実際に愛されたいタチとネコのネコになりたかった。2つの意味があるんじゃないか？あと、最後のカズイさんの目が猫の目のように細くなってる。丁度青りんごが真ん中になってるのが気になる…

[@あおあお-y7i]

※「どんなに夢と気づいてても〜」ではなく、「どんなに無理だと気づいていても〜」でした。

[@user-kashiwa]

奥さんからアプローチされて流されて結婚したのならともかく、カズイの方がアプローチしてプロポーズしたっぽいのが地獄過ぎる。 エスくん(リスナー)には謝らなくていいので奥さんには100万回謝ってほしい

[@user-kashiwa]

私はカズイのこと許さない権利がないけど奥さんだけはカズイにぶちギレて良い

[@sui-000.]

ほんとそうですよね… この動画の再生回数分奥さんに謝って欲しい……

[@hp8167]

It's so interesting that as soon as Kazui tells the truth (REMINDER: he didn't cheat as confirmed in his voice drama) and reveals his true feelings (literally tearing apart the dove), his wife is already falling off the balcony. That apple that splatters on the ground is her. It's such a visceral and beautiful segment for his perspective. These songs are unreliable narrators but we can still get that Kazui views his truth telling as a violent act. Him telling the truth killed his wife. What's more is his truth is that he forced himself to marry a woman out of societal obligation rather than love. He struggles to keep up that facade of the perfect marriage when in reality there's not much there and he's miserable. It's easy to see why he lies. It's going to be interesting how the vote ends up this round. As of right now (Jul 28) its 56-44 and leaning innocent.

[@AdachiCat]

This is my favorite theory so far, i thought something very simillar

[@氏ごま-b9g]

これまでの誰と比較しても「赦す」「赦さない」に関心がなくて、これまでもカズイさんが一番好きだったけどより好きになった。 これ一審でもし×だったとしてもほぼブレなかったんじゃないか……？ それはそれとしてどちゃくそエロいので全人類に聞いてほしいし見てほしい。心の底からありがとう。

[@HiYoKoooo1111]

マヒルさんとカズイさんとユノの3人ってなんか猫ちゃんっぽい動きしたりしてるけど、恋愛絡みのトラブルっぽい人は猫っぽく描かれてるのか…？ 明確にこれだ‼️って思える決定的な場面がミルグラムってあんまりないから考察が楽しい… なんでもいいけどﾈｺﾁｬﾝカズイさん好きです

[@ろーず-k9h]

ウィスキーが入ったグラスが落ちて中身が溢れる姿が人が落ちて頭ブシャーみたいで見た時ちょっとゾワってした(語彙力)

[@ろーず-k9h]

こんな下手な考察にいいねが二つも嬉しい☺️

[@yu_ki_yu_]

1:48

[@もち桜-w4b]

タバコの煙が首吊り縄になってるのゾワっとした

[@honoko__zatta]

え？まじ？と思って巻き戻したらガチでした！！ええ！鳥肌もんです！

[@55desuu]

2:21

[@ちゃちゃ丸-v7l]

自分の首を絞めていることを表しているのかな？

[@ろーず-k9h]

ほ、ほんまや！？ゾワってきた……

[@Toketa_a]

割と一瞬だから、コメント見なかったら絶対気づいてなかった自信ある…すごい

[@タニシ虹の]

｢嘘をつけ 楽になるまで｣と言ってるけどカズイさん一生楽になれなさそう 人柄の良さは確実にあるので

[@暁サトル-p1z]

自殺願望ある人が「死んで楽になりたい」とかよく言うし、「楽になるまで」って「死ぬまで」って意味なんじゃないかと思った

[@tiramisu7440]

Important note! Kazui and his wife are very likely to both be in the criminal investigation bureau 1st division (刑事部 捜査第一課). This is based on the red band on their arms which the police from that department wears. That means that both of them investigate criminal activities such as murder, robbery, SA, arson, kidnapping, violence, etc.

[@foderis8777]

oh god they're all connected and all the prisoners will have connected backstories won't they...

[@phimau8104]

@@foderis8777 yea huh o_o

[@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741]

Damn. And here I was thinking he was a closet case Oop-

[@foderis8777]

@@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741 I still think they are, cuz it makes sense for him to get a wife who works with him to stay in the closet

[@paidksjwjaapsodjwodh5870]

@@foderis8777spoilers for the novel i hope it‘s like that because that‘s how the novel is

[@白雲そら]

考察とかそう言うのじゃなくてはっきり言う。 声良すぎないか。カズイサン。

[@iciarsoto8860]

I like how he is represented as a cautivating magician who makes pigeons appear, being a metaphore to pretending to love his wife to then eat the pigeon as a cruel cat would when he confess his lies to her, riping apart his trick.

[@user-loser-LuffyLove]

リンゴの実の花言葉は"誘惑""後悔"です。既出だったらごめんなさい カズイさんかっけぇ

[@invisibleink5397]

man can't believe milgram made a banger about interalized homophobia. that's amazing

[@mooing_synopsis1959]

Right!? I can't see it as anything else.

[@samdal420]

No wonder this hit so hard

[@JutoMira]

They're missing out big time if they don't take the opportunity to make his third trial song give the same vibes as magnet

[@monbub]

kazui is a queer icon?? 😳😳omg

[@reggielacey2235]

​​@@monbubew

[@pepreach]

the lgbt community has forgiven kazui mukuhara

[@capri_spritez8594]

this is the best comment ever i hope you know that

[@LaVitr_e]

danteh seen, pm sleep agent activated

[@pepreach]

@@LaVitr_e 😨

[@damont975]

LIMBUS COMPANYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[@GoddessofSpaceTime]

Greetings Dante

[@なきねいり-l1q]

ジャズチックな曲調と渋いイケボがすごいオシャレだけど歌詞を見るとちゃんとミルグラムなんよ……まっすぐに読めないけど言いたいことが分かるというか人間性が檻の隙間からはみ出てるというか…………

[@なきねいり-l1q]

積もるのは業だけなんだよなぁ…………まぁこの界隈に居るってだけで十分業深いんだけど()

[@stardustdaydreamer1581]

Please let Kazui be a con artist, please. That would make my year.

[@vbskohaku]

FRRR he can't be just a cheater please make him a con artist or like a cop it'd fit so well

[@LanieMae]

@@vbskohaku he’s definitely more than that cheating is not a good enough motive

[@cameron9206]

Ooo I never thought of that possibility but it’s really satisfying now that I’ve heard it

[@peonykit6039]

OH MY GOD YES

[@suredoeslikeexisting]

YEAH

[@ito_8910]

なにもわからなかったので考察は考察班に任せるとして…とりあえずカズイさんかっこよすぎるし、ジャズっぽい曲調が好きすぎてありがとうって感じ

[@runaryouta]

俺も分からん

[@runaryouta]

でもめっちゃ良いことは分かる

[@kikikaichan]

THIS OLD MAN. I'M SO GLAD HE'S FORGIVEN AFTER WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE FIRST MONTH OF VOTING 😭😭😭

[@jnsknkzn]

こんだけ濃いヤツだらけのミルグラムで未だに底が見えないのヤバさが際立ってるわ…

[@iwantmystrawberrymilk]

You people are so high to think he ate his wife lmaooo😭

[@straicker0939]

It's the hype 😂

[@shimemeji]

fr like symbolism ppl!!!

[@Ashurasama0726]

1900年代に活動していた、 ルネ・マグリットという画家がいるのですが、その人の作品をオマージュしたのでは？と思うシーンがちらほらあったので共有！(無理やり感あるかもしれないけど！！) 0:11 『大家族』or『空の鳥』 1:06 『恋人たち』 1:47 『観念』or『人の子』 2:40 『鳥を食べる少女』 サイトの文章を引用するのですが、 マグリットにとって緑のリンゴは「見えるもの」と「見えないもの」の間における「永遠の緊張」や「神秘性」を象徴するものであり、マグリットのセルフポートレイト作品のいくつかで、自分の姿を曖昧な状態にするために緑のリンゴを使っているという。 あとは、考察班頑張ってください！！

[@Amina0720]

神有識者…！

[@にゃん-f7j]

私は画家のポール・セザンヌのリンゴに何かしらの関連があるのかなって思い調べてみましたが、これといった手ごたえがありませんでした😢 「恋人たち」を見てこの作品はとても曲の解釈に合いそうだなって思いました！！

[@sommelier_]

Catって並び替えたらActになるなあと 一審の伏線回収だったりするのかな

[@kyarameruousyou]

考察とか関係なくカズイさんがタバコ吸ってるシーンとかハトを噛みちぎってるシーン良すぎんか…

[@user-om7tw8dw5f]

あ〜良すぎる… 悪くないもんとかだいすきはTrailerからガラッと雰囲気変わってそれはそれで最高だったけどcatはずっとおしゃれで大人の男性って感じで最高すぎた🥰 Trailer 聞いた時から1番楽しみにしてたから嬉しい

[@ヌボギョストランチェ]

嘘つきを押し出されてるから手品師かな…カズイさんかっこいいね…𝐾𝑖𝑠𝑠...

[@夏山蜜柑]

There is something I want people outside of Japan to know. Kazui's vote is divided because of problems among Japanese fans. A female Kazui fan called on non-Mirgram fans to vote for "Unforgiveness" because she wanted to see Kazui suffering. The people who were approached were mainly fans of Japanese and Korean idols.They seemed to win tickets for the idol's front row seats or receive fan service.They mistake it for "something good happened because they didn't forgive Kazui." It is clear that the reason for voting is not because of love or consideration for characters, but because of mysterious superstitions. This is considered a problem among Japanese fans. Fans who did not like it are at odds with them by voting "Forgiveness." Some of them don't want to forgive Kazui.However, they do not want their content to be ruined.Therefore, they are voting to "Forgive". Frankly speaking, Kazui's current voting results are not helpful. This is because voting for Kazui has become more for conflict among Milgram fans than for those who are voting for the characters. If anyone is reading this, you can either "Forgiveness" or "Unforgiveness," so please vote the way you want. Voting runs until Oct. 23. This kind of conflict is very silly.I think that the outcome of the vote should be influenced by those who really like Milgram. I'm using a translator, so there might be something strange about it.Thank you for reading so far. I'll add it here. Currently, it seems that there is an exchange outside of the content between those who voted "Unforgiveness". They thank those who voted for "Unforgiveness" and help apply for tickets for idols and vote for Sanrio characters. It has also been confirmed that the people involved are saying so. I wrote, "Those who voted for 'no forgiveness' think there are good things about voting for Kazui." They call it "Unforgiveness Shrine" and spread it. As far as I've checked, it seems to be spreading to more than 50 people (more precisely over 100). Then one user who didn't like it said, "You stupid woman, die!" on an open account. In this comment, I'll write it briefly, but it was a really bad word. Those who voted "Unforgiveness" were naturally very angry at this. But they brought up the only user, saying, "All Milgram fans are bad people. We will exclude new users like us." Not all of Milgram's fans are bad people, nor are they avoiding them because they are new users. Milgram's fans became intolerable and began tweeting: "I don't think organized votes are good." Then those who voted "Unforgiveness" began to attack the fans. The fans are just expressing their opinions, and they don't say anything offensive to the other person, such as "You die." However, those who voted "Unforgiveness" don't seem to like the opposition.They're refuting in very aggressive terms, reading with nicknames that they clearly deride, and bringing up old tweets and videos to RT.That continues even now. They mistake a single user's tweet, "You silly woman, die," for the consensus of Milgram fans.They deliberately diffuse it even though they understand it to be untrue. By doing so, Milgram fans are unable to say anything and those who voted "Unforgiveness" think they can win the argument. The fight hurt many Milgram fans, as did "Forgiveness" and "Unforgiveness". If the same situation continues, it is certain that Japanese Milgram fans will be less likely to show up. Comments are no longer reflected due to defects, so I will resubmit them.

[@iluVioletLink]

Thank you for letting us know about what's going on in the Japanese community 🙏🙏 no wonder why his percentage is unstable

[@kikikaichan]

Thanks for explaining! I saw something about this floating around, but didn't quite understand. But now I got a full picture. This...really sucks. Like in a sense, the votes on Kazui are now tainted. I hope these people will get bored and stop these careless votes and fights before the voting period ends...

[@batrex_]

Can you please give us username of girl who's doing this?

[@夏山蜜柑]

@@batrex_ I'm sorry, but I can't give you her username. If you mention a woman's name here, it is possible that she will be slandered. I think it creates unnecessary conflict.

[@batrex_]

@@夏山蜜柑 oh i see that's understandable

[@CountryMuu]

From cat preview 1 hour loop to Cat official thing 😭😭.. I’m so happy and I can’t wait to be here for the premiere!

[@Marshmellowmewo]

Same!

[@schere519]

i can finally rest in peace

[@奏楽乃奏乃]

2:05 「タネも仕掛けもない」と謳われる手品の品々が零れ落ちているのって、ボロが出て仕掛け（嘘）がバレたってことなんだろうか……？

[@sora24929]

コメント失礼します。かも知れません。口に、行動に出してしまいボロがどんどん出ていってしまったと表現してるんじゃないでしょうか。次の歌詞が「この想い 望み通りにゃならない」なので叶わぬ恋だったのかな、と好きな人(前回の「half」に出てきたマスターじゃないかと考察）にバレてしまい、そのことをきっかけに奥さんにも話して別れて本命(マスター)と想いを通じ合いたい「この想い 望み通りにしたい」じゃないでしょうか。奥さんに話したところ今まで言葉や行動などが嘘だったと思い自殺したとか？

[@奏楽乃奏乃]

@@sora24929 少なくとも、誰かにとっては明かされたくない「嘘」だったようですね 手品では「ミスディレクション」という相手の注意を逸らし、別の方向へ誘導するという方法が取られています。 しかし、ミスディレクションに必要なはずの道具（嘘やまやかし）が無くなれば、必然的にスポットライトを当てられるのは彼の本質になります。 白日の下に晒された彼の本質は、彼女にとっては「マジックの種明かし」のように大きな落胆を生む可能性のあるものだったのかもしれませんね

[@FatherDazai]

It’s criminal that this doesn’t have 1M views already, this is easily one of the best songs in MILGRAM yet.

[@chicopridebean368]

I agree

[@FatherDazai]

@ew-xm9vs I’m glad you agree! I, too, understand that we shouldn’t force people to watch MVs, but in terms of views, there is definitely a lot of bias between characters. A lot of people choose not to watch certain MVs/trailers simply because they don’t find the character attractive or likable, and I think that sucks, because I think we should support the team regardless :')

[@mulberrytea549]

@@ew-xm9vs hilariously that was amane- still, i've been looping triage, cat, tpm, and double since i would really like to see triage and cat especially reach 1M views soon- Cat's like my third favorite song behind the tie of Tear Drop and MeMe(yes those are vastly different songs, that's why they're tied) and Kazui's super interesting.

[@justanaverageperson2162]

@@ew-xm9vspeople think hes hot lol. Personally my reaction when I found out was “what.” Like LOOK AT MEME how…

[@godabandonedmesoibecameaba8984]

@@ew-xm9vs I do like his songs better, but in storywise I think Kazui is the most relatable and innocent one

[@user-jl1ee2zc9u]

愛して欲しかった猫みたいにが タチネコのネコなのか、本当に動物のネコなのかで話が変わってくる

[@oggser8050]

EVERYONE THOUGHT I WAS AN INSANE PERSON FOR BELIEVING IN GAY KAZUI. LOOK AT ME NOW BRO IM ON TOP OF DA WORLD

[@_3_Hydrangea_3_]

LMAO good for you😭😭😭😭

[@gyrasolune5436]

here's hoping i can score the same win as a major hardcore haruka trans truther, lmao (hell: a lot of the reasons i think harukas talking about being closet trans use the same language as kazui's, right down to the most telling 'I realize the futility, but I still can’t help but dream' in this very song having a big old '01' behind ig)

[@fashon7644]

all the people of the unforgiven shrine are crazy. imagine if someone bought all the tickets of ur favorite kpop group just to leave an empty stadium? you're all insane and cruel for ruining such a good project.

[@signs8386]

本当に仰る通りです

[@obeyocean7482]

I’m sorry but didn’t Jackalope say we can vote on whatever basis we desire? Sure you can personally find it frustrating that they voted him guilty for an arbitrary reason but imo this isn’t any more disappointing than people voting on the basis of a character’s attractiveness lol (Which has been a constant motivation behind many of the votes thus far.) Plus, I wouldn’t say the project is being “ruined” I bet the creator’s will make things interesting no matter the verdict.

[@fashon7644]

@@obeyocean7482 he did but i wouldn't be surprised if bribery enabled by superstitions wasn't really what he meant. metavoters and the unforgiven shrine are the same to me, both don't actually care about the project and the consequences to the characters in the slightest. the unforgiven shrine has the intention to harm the project without a care for the people participating OR the characters, just to fuel their own agenda. metavoters are annoying, and the unforgiven shrine is intentionally causing harm to the votes. I'd love if the creators would do something about this, but as you said, jackalope told us to vote on any basis. this makes it unlikely they'll do something to the votes. so when votes are being polluted indefinitely and jackalope might not even do much, it ruins the project for the better half.

[@obeyocean7482]

@@user-pw7kf4pc1e How is it not applicable? We weren’t ever told what WASN’T allowed in terms of voting. My personal theory is that MILGRAM is just a social experiment meant to see what drives people to vote, no matter how strange and unrelated. And we’ve already been shown that meta voting is an acceptable means of motivation. You don’t have to know anything about the character’s MVs or personalities to vote on the basis of a character’s appearance, right? Yet it was still accepted as a voting option. Either way this is still engagement for MILGRAM no matter how you look at it. Bribing people to interact with the project will inevitably make people see it even if it’s for a second. If the creator’s have a problem with this voting criteria I’m sure they will say something about it. Until then I guess we’ll just have to deal with it. And hate to break it to the people who want this to cease, but this is something to be expected with ANY instance of voting, you can call it unfair but there hasn’t been a single example of a voting system that doesn’t have shallow voter motivation. There will always be people who vote for whatever reason they desire because we were given FREE WILL.

[@obeyocean7482]

@@user-pw7kf4pc1e There’s never been any evidence to suggest that we are forbid from voting with any means we want. Yet you and many others have decided that this behavior is ‘unjust’ or ‘unreasonable’. You are the ones making assumptions about the project with no statements to prove your beliefs. Jackalope may have pushed us to watch the MVs, but that doesn’t imply that not doing so is ‘cruel’. I mean he literally said it would be a hassle to not just guilty all of them lol… Like I said, the creators likely anticipated something like this would happen, hence why they allowed the criteria for voting to be so lenient. Because realistically in a system where we are told to vote innocent or guilty with nothing more than a twitter account needed, it’s common sense that something like this would happen. You can’t name a single voting instance in the history of the internet without similar events conspiring. + This instance isn’t exclusive to Kazui’s T2 vote either, this is likely just the largest instance of this occurring, and yet there’s still been no statement to sway people from voting with meta reasoning. I’ll say this again, you can be as bitter as you want about it but the realistic truth is that this is inevitable when it comes to the allowance of free will. And I think the creator’s know this much themselves.

[@まぬるぬぬ]

同性愛者説で全て納得した。それを踏まえてみんな、弱虫モンブランとネオネオン聞いてみてくれ……

[@AMANE_0402]

ボイスドラマのタイトルである"欺罔の轍"の読み方がぎもうじゃなくてきぼうなの、希望とも読めるから夢見がちなカズイさんにコンセプトが合いすぎて好きすぎる。今回あんまり赦したくないって個人的に思ったけど、第三審も楽しみ

[@AMANE_0402]

あとお誕生日おめでとう！！

[@mitukasama1179]

独り言みたいな返信です。自分もドラマのタイトル気になって調べたら「希望の轍」っていうサザンの青春ラブソングがあったんですよ…年長で同性愛疑惑があるカズイさんにそんな真逆の元ネタ持ってくる？って鳥肌が立ちました。

[@fairywren6291]

A small thing to remember: This is a window into the prisoner's consciousness. According to the actual interview, Kazui actively villainizes himself for his wife's death, though he didn't appear to murder her directly. To quote @astuffedalpaca5365 's summary of the actual interview: Kazui's lies did not kill her. It was his honesty. Something he was hiding came to light, and for his wife, it was devastating. Is he wrong for not being honest with her for whatever this secret was? Yes. But, understanding the context, whatever he hid, it was clearly something he's struggled with since he was little - something he tried to be honest about but was burned badly enough that he felt he couldn't be genuine. Period. It's clear his sin wasn't murder. It's clear his sin wasn't cheating, at least not in his eyes. So whatever it is, there's much more depth and nuance to this situation than we actually have proper analysis for. All sides are not clear. It is still too early to confirm his crime indefinitely. He may just be painting himself as the villain in order to cope. Again, this may be how *he* sees himself. Does it justify any of this? Probably not. Should he have entered a relationship if he wasn't prepared to be mentally and emotionally vulnerable and honest? No, but it's definitely something to consider before voting him guilty. We've all made mistakes in our relationships. Does him being honest with himself and his partner make him automatically at fault?

[@doublesplit234]

Sorry but just to clarify on the "actively victimizes" part, are you saying that he is using his wife's death to hurt himself further? Because i did read it as "actively villainizes himself". Which also makes sense.

[@fairywren6291]

@@doublesplit234 I meant to put villainize but yes you're right. it goes both ways. He's hurting himself with his wife's death because he sees himself as the villain in this story.

[@kip5581]

Where to watch interview?

[@Xternzz]

What do you think about the theory that he is gay?

[@LanieMae]

I mean I’m voting him guilty mostly because I believe his whole thing stems from greed and ignorance and a desire for money even at the cost of other people, but I’m also conflicted as it seems he regrets his actions

[@ぇあ-j8m]

鳩食べるとこめっちゃ鳥肌たった… 優しそうな印象だったからすごいギャップ❤️‍🔥 かっこよすぎる

[@hinataaoikisser]

THIS IS BY FAR MY FAV MILGRAM MV. THE ART ON THIS IS SO FUNKY!!! HUGE RESPECTS TO THE ANIMATOR!!!!!

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

this same style has been used for other media like the show XY also known as Aiyou's Secret Room opening

[@Dawei1212]

It's so nice to see Akka back in the animation team!

[@ゆら-p1i]

カズイがもし恋愛対象が同性でバーテンダーに恋をしていた(バーテンダーは奥さんの親族として)仮定した話にはなってしまうが、皆振られた勢いで奥さんにカミングアウトして奥さんが自害という可能性を多く見てるけど、歌詞に「晴れるように」ってあるからバーテンダーにカミングアウトして気持ちが晴れない結果になってしまったんじゃないか？個人的にはだけど結婚をしていて嘘を重んじるカズイは振られたらまた自分に嘘をついて諦めると思うんだ。だけど、晴れなかった。バーテンダーが「お前が結婚しちまったからなんとも言えないが、俺は好きだったかもな」って答えたとしたらどうする？本当の愛が欲しいために嘘をついていたカズイは離婚を切り出してしまうよね。結婚してさえいなければ、付き合えたのにって。歌詞にももしかしたら叶うのかしらとかある感じ可能性はあるような素振りや言動はあったんじゃないかな。個人的解釈はバーテンダーの近くにいれればいいやと思いその親族の女(妻)と結婚したが、酔った勢いでバーテンダーに告白したら結婚したから言えるが俺は好きだったと言われ、このまま行けば付き合えると暴走し妻に離婚を切り出す＋カミングアウト。妻は愛されていなかった事実とバーテンダー(親族)に近づくために利用されていた事実に耐えきれず自害。親族が自害してしまったことで恋愛どうこうの話ではなくなるし、バーテンダーからも見放される。って感じかな

[@aliciakimil4231]

Guys, I don’t think Kazui’s just a con man or magician…

[@phimau8104]

Nop, hes a police officer

[@iluVioletLink]

he's a silly cat boy :3

[@riv3r_mango705]

He just likes birds a lot 😋

[@ooosweaty2607]

It would be funny that hes gay

[@dylankaz2528]

well not with *that* attitude

[@なし-c3c8c]

第一審から気になっていた青リンゴはカズイ自身が周り(赤い林檎)とは違うこと、すなわち同性愛者であることを表してたんだろうな。 それを隠すために嘘をつき続けていたっていうのが明らかになってきたね。 好きな相手はバーのマスターだったり？ きっかけはまだ考察しきれていないけれど、カズイは奥さんに同性愛者であること、愛していないことを告白した→それを受け入れられなかった奥さんが自殺したっていうのが彼のエピソードなんだろう。 その上で、この第二審におけるミルグラムでのカズイの立場と彼の判決による他の囚人への影響を考える必要があるね。 カズイはこの監獄においてコトコやアマネなどによる加害行為やハルカの自傷行為を抑えるだけの"力"がある。少なくとも現状まではこれを理性的に奮っている。 これをどう見るかが判決の鍵じゃないかな。 私の個人的な意見だけど、 カズイを赦さないならば、アマネやコトコを赦す 必要があると思っている。そうでなければ、第一審後のようなことが起きる可能性がある。 ハルカの自傷行為については、ハルカが有罪、シドウが無罪と判決されているので、考察に含まなくてもよいのではないかと思うよ。ハルカの自殺未遂もシドウの治療行為で解決するんじゃないかな。 長々と書かせていただきました。皆様の考察の一助になればと思います。

[@lyo2709]

THEORY/QUICK ANALYSIS POST WATCHING : I could be wrong but the Green Apple is, for me, Kazui's True Self. Seeing himself like a bad apple -> Faking / lying about his love but also his true feelings toward his relationship and seeing it all, being tired of it. I feel like both of them are victims of their relationship, but more of his wife. Kazui went too fast with her without knowing his feelings toward her while her Wife seemed to already have a crush on him. Kazui continued the lies" and tricks" for her sake but ignored himself in the process. So basically, I think their Break-up wasn't "sweet" but kinda brutal from Kazui who probably went savage in his words. But I don't see him going violent physically over this. Tho IMPORTANT POINT I FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE NOTE: Her wife Felt Backward. I don't think she would have "thrown herself" like that so 2 Possibilities : - She felt by accident -> Feared Kazui - She was pushed by Kazui I'm not sure about this, so I might be extremely wrong Then, my conclusion -> If he did not push her -> Innocent -> If he did pushed her -> OverGuilty

[@aponiahermeline]

Hmm. You have a rather interesting perspective. Can I ask you about the other things in the video? At the beginning,we see Kazui and his ex-wife do some kind of police or detective work. From that short time,something keeps bugging me... Isn't Kazui work in-... No,going back to the topic,there is also the scene when he confess he likes someone. But it's after the wedding,no even the scene when he purposes to her. It can be his wife,but why he would say this,when they are already a married couple? I don't want to say it's definitely it,but I think he said it to somebody else. The glass was dropped,the alcohol in it went everywhere,and the tricks and the bird died.I also think Kazui in the end told about his lies,but... Here is the question: What was the cause? What happened? Or rather: Who was it who triggered the change? Or just Kazui got tired of lying after so much time? Or it was something else? Also,the cigarette sure is a important thing in this. His face... After that,aren't you think it's strange? We are seeing things in his perspective. After his wife fell,he did not pay attention much,he looked at the word-body behind (?) her. He also doesn't look down. If she fell,then he should look at the prey by looking down. But he looks straightforward at us. I think there is something strange about this. I think it isn't this simple... Anyway,I apologise if I offended you in any way,it wasn't my intention. I just read your theory,and thought I would like to have a conversation with you about the other scenes too,and maybe recive answers. I am not good at things like this,so... If you don't mind,can you tell me about these things in your- Ah,of course just in that case you like to do so! Sorry if I said something wrong...

[@foderis8777]

Well, I personally think he's actually gay, because a green apple could be the male gender, while the red apple is the female gender. He also has quotes as "I can't be normal, I can't satisfy this feeling" which I think also points towards that possibility. Also also: I think that him tearing up the bird with his teeth is symbolic of him tearing their marriage apart. But your pushing observations are quite good, I must say. also also also, in half, he bites the green apple, which supports my theory cuz he finally indulged in his desires. okie done.

[@asrielluke3465]

​@@foderis8777make sense. Also in the first trial (on the same part where he bites the apple) we see two frames of a balcony, one with her wife and one without her wife. We already knew what happened in between.

[@foderis8777]

@@asrielluke3465 and we see a shattered red apple at the end as well

[@lyo2709]

@aponiahermeline ! First of all, don't worry I won't take badly what you said and you're even right to tell them! Like I said, I'm probably wrong. Welp, you're right. There is probably some cheating (Whatever if it's a man or a woman!). For me, it's more about that Kazui "loves" too easily or is quick to ack depending on his feelings -> The marriage seems to have happened really soon in their relation For me, the case of Kazui is that it's someone who acts on his feelings too quickly without taking time to consider them and he regretted them after his marriage. Whatever if he cheated or not, with a man or a woman. I think him eating/biting the apple is him admitting his trueself -> His true feelings / his bittersweet feelings (Of not loving her) to himself so then his wife. I feel like if there was someone precise about the cheating, that person would be more "under the spotlight" in the MVs but there are just possible viewable hints. I think him admits his feelings (Sometimes, admitting our own feelings can be "horrible feelings" to others so that's why we lie after all). I think the Cigarette scene is for him to "Take a breath" as he said, he breathes then exhale his true feelings (But it's just a "first idea") Yea for his Wife dying, for me it's confusing, so there's a high chance it's an Accident or she just throw herself without him knowing. (Hope I was clear enough, I'm writing on the phone while being on a bus haha!)

[@ソラ-e8f]

この曲が第二審で一番好きかも ジャズ調でオシャレなのに闇深で魅力的…

[@ProsperousKingFlorent]

I want everyone to know that NO, Kazui didn't cheat. His newest voice drama makes it very clear he didn't cheat and what he was lying and sinning about is very different. The scene we see at the end is also likely from his wife's POV when he told her the truth and how she saw him. In the end, the truth is that Kazui lied to his wife about something for years and finally came clean about it. Her reaction was drastic and it likely resorted in her suicide. Kazui never meant for this to happen and seems to regret ever trying to be honest. We aren't told what he's lying about but it can be several things. Maybe he's actually gay, maybe he's asexual, maybe he just doesn't love her or maybe he isn't the type who wants to be tied down. Maybe he only views her as a friend? We don't know. What we do know is everything I said above and that he's a very broken man about it all.

[@silence7524]

do you have the translation for his second trial voice drama?

[@prok2276]

@@silence7524 where are you taking this trial voice dramas??? Or that's from private zone of milgram portal?

[@silence7524]

@@prok2276 I'm just asking if the commenter has Kazui's second voice trial's translation

[@vvriyarinrinnvv4937]

It's on KZbin if u search kazui 2nd trial voice drama

[@silence7524]

@@vvriyarinrinnvv4937 yeah now it got uploaded, it wasn't translated when I made the comment lol, but thanks!

[@alisdight793]

happy pride month everyone

[@king0fspades36]

just remembered the milgram team looks at all the theories we put out and will even comment on them when this trial concludes. i wonder what they'll say about so many people thinking kazui is gay, lmao

[@クロキ-f8o]

1:00の「被害者と加害者でいいだろ」のところで奥さんは泣くほど嬉しそうなのにカズイさんは苦笑いしているのがなんとも…悲壮感と申し訳なさが滲み出ててるのが凄くて… あと「ちょっと一服」でカズイさんがクソゲッッスイ顔してるのって奥さんにバレて問い詰められていた所、話をそらすようにタバコを吸い始めて同性愛者である事をバラしたのかな… まだまだ隠してそうな予感がするからカズイさんがクズでもいいんだけど 『自分が普通じゃないのは知っている、周りを見習って普通を演じたけど普通になり切れなかった。本当は愛していなかったしそもそも恋愛対象外だった、ただの被害者』 とか言ってなんかもう全部厭きれて吹っ切れたように感じた

[@neidhardt8093]

I'd like to point out this song is completely produced by Rockwell alone (besides the lyrics). I feel like they don't get enough credit for the songs they work on, so it's nice to see solo work from them. EDIT: Rockwell actually produced MeMe, Backdraft and Triage all himself too, so this is actually the fourth song he made by himself. This man deserves way more credit.

[@Daisyhatingugolyee]

bless rockwell for giving us some of the best bangers alone🙏

[@Mel-from-nowhere]

i know you milgram fans hate to hear it but pls for the love of god read the voice drama kazui outright confirmed he didn’t cheat on his wife and claimed he was lying to satisfy his wife and ppl in his life so he could fit in with societal expectations knowing he wasn’t born that way. (they don’t outright say it, but let’s be honest that wording….🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈 ) he feels immense guilt for finally telling his wife the truth of his feelings and felt he was a monster that destroyed the peace in their marriage so him eating the dove and referring to himself as the perpetrator is probably meant to make himself out to be the villain. casual reminder milgram mvs are formed from their thoughts and feelings on the situation so i think in kazuis pov he feels he deserves to be voted guilty for not continuing to live a lie with his identity. personally i think jumping to instantly vote him guilty instead of taking this mv based on his thoughts and feelings with a grain of salt is kinda funny considering other prisoners like shidou have done the same thing with their mvs (throw down made him look hella guilty just for us to learn he wasn’t some organ harvesting serial murderer) like how many times do we have to learn this lesson

[@chesoundscape]

Where did you find the voice drama translation

[@Mel-from-nowhere]

@@chesoundscape it should be like one of the top results if you google his trial 2 voice drama

[@alfiepancakezz]

i’m too sleep deprived to actually process what i just watched but KAZUI SONGS NEVER MISS HOLY SHIT

[@gracefulbean9894]

Literally me, I'll have to go back and watch it again later-

[@royalquiet]

Same 💀

[@Yumio..Sakurane]

Same here too

[@helloex-6767]

作中途中でルネマグモチーフとした要素を散りばめんの好きだしなにより カズイさん＋ルネマグを合わせるという有能な考えの良さよ…作画担当者さんもやけどミルグラム運営さんも流石や… このなんとも言えんミステリーに包まれた不可思議なカズイさんの役にピッタリすぎる

[@doublesplit234]

i'm hoping that the MV would be like those with moving paper puppets. it just feels like the right vibe from what we got from the teasers.

[@kamitani_kyouya]

Byeって意味が2重で重なってあって、 同性も異性もいけるバイって意味も含まれてる…？ 「nnnnn〜ちょっと一服」(グラス音🥃)(秒針1秒🕰) 一服で気持ちも一緒に飲んでる？ それか全然そっちのけなくてカニバリズムおぢさんなのか…？ わかんない…

[@ノワール-b4t]

1:08辺りのりんごの色が1つだけ違うのがマイノリティの表現なんだろうな

[@AMANE_0402]

こんなにズームアウトされたサムネ初めてじゃない？！全体像がよく見えて最高にｴｯｯですねﾊｽﾊｽ

[@helloex-6767]

概要欄に書いてある「狂言師」が気になりすぎてどういった意味なのか調べたけど 「能楽で狂言を演じる役者」 「踊りや物真似などの歌舞伎狂言を演じた役者」って書いてあった やっぱりこうゆう文面見たらまだまだカズイさんの「嘘」が隠れているんだろうな ちな第二審で幼馴染みが出てきたら嬉しいと感じてる…スーツ姿のカズイさんイケメンすぎます…腰ら辺えちちや…待機しているよカズイさん…！ 追記 実は狂言師の師を抜くと「狂言」と浮かぶんですよね 狂言は 「嘘である作り事 作り話」 「人を騙して利益を得る為に行う」意味があります また対話を中心としたセリフ劇で大掛かりな舞台装置は一切使用せず 言葉や仕草によって全てを表現します 更に狂言の大きな特徴は「笑い」日常や説話などを題材にし人間の習性や本質を鋭く切り取って大らかな 「笑い」「おかしみ」にしてしまいます 因みに狂言は普段歌舞伎役者さん達が使う役割ですがカズイさんの格好から見るにマジシャンをモチーフとして描かれている為少し謎です 最後に気になる点 なんかサムネの柄がキャンバスみたいに見える (端と端を見れば分かると思います) 先程キャンバスに関する夢占いを見に行きましたが「これっぽいな」って思う夢を見つけました キャンバスだとするならこのカズイさんは「人物像」として描かれている様に見えるので自画像ですね 自画像の夢は「もっと自己表現をしたい気持ち」を反映しています 周りの人間関係で「自分のことを分かってもらえない」と感じることも多くあるいは好きな人に「自分をアピールしたい」という気持ちを表すこともあると書かれてました カズイさん同性愛者疑惑があるから一致するんだよなぁ… まだフル曲を公開されてないのに考察がいっぱい思い浮かんでくる…頭使いすぎて頭痛い…() 追記(っ'-')╮ =͟͟͞͞🍎🍏ﾌﾞｫﾝ とにかく色々と凄いのと終盤のカズイさんがどちゃクソ色気グロすぎて変な声でそうだった まず自分が分かった明らかな雑魚考察と第二審カズイさんボイドラのちょいネタバレも含まれます マジシャンの夢 マジシャンでの夢占いでは 現実を変えたいという願望 目の前の現実に対し「こんなの嫌だ！」という思い抱いている そんな時にマジシャンの夢を見ることがあるそうです ひょっとしたら気付かないうちに心身の苦労が蓄積しているのかもしれない 努力しても一向に改善されない状況に嫌気が差しているケースもありますいずれにしろ余り心身の状態が良くないと見ていいのと早めのケアが必要と言われてます これは心象には無かった図ですが マジシャンが追いかける夢 夢の中で追いかけてくるマジシャンは実は「偽りの自分」 現実世界で仮面をつけた状態 本音を言えない不自由なのか それとも誰かを欺く為にあえて本音を言わないのか どちらにせよ 偽りの自分を演じている そしてそのことが徐々に貴方の精神を圧迫し始めている 何度も繰り返しこの夢を見るようであればかなり深刻な状態と言われてます (ここから先ネタバレ注意) 尋問途中で「本当はこんな自分が大っ嫌いだ…！嘘をつき続ける自分が！」と泣きそうな声で必死に訴えるカズイさんのシーンがありますが正にこの夢と一致するんですよね 鳩を食べる夢 2:39 終盤で衝撃なラスト場面を迎えましたがカズイさんが鳩を食べるシーンでの夢占いは 貴方が過去の出来事や経験から学び成長することが出来るという暗示で事故改善や向上心を持って過去の経験を活かすことが大切だと教えられます この夢ではイマイチこの曲とのマッチがつくのか微妙なとこですがここから先カズイさん自身の変化が変わることがあると思いますね 以上で考察は終わります 第一審とは打って変わって大分カズイさんの本性が出てきたのと剥き出していてめちゃくちゃ疼いちゃいます でも今回の第二審審判は「赦さない」が多そう…私はまだ決まりきれてないですが今ん所とりあえず赦さないに選びます ボイドラの影響があって色々戸惑ってしまうけどカズイさんを救ってみせたい一心は変わりない…！

[@IloveYunoKashiki]

Waiting for comments with theories because I didn't understand anything

[@kumifurukawa7396]

青リンゴの花言葉は「優先・好み・選ばれた恋・最も美しい人へ」とからしいよ

[@demonicbird]

I don’t know about you guys but now I’m just 98% sure Kazui is gay. All the lyrics about lying to yourself, hiding and being a master of masquerade? Also the scene at 1:47 seems like a pretty obvious clue. I’m not sure about the apple symbolism but I think I’ve read somewhere the red apple represents women/femininity and the green one stands for men? Might be wrong, but it would fit. I still think he’s innocent and he didn’t actually kill his wife - it seems like he just told her the truth in the end after falling in love with a man (at the bar? The barkeeper?) and maybe then she did something to herself but I think the only thing he actually “killed” was his marriage. I’ll wait for his voice drama but for me it all speaks for Innocent. Edit: Also the “I can’t stop, I can’t be normal” line? That’s just what every queer person in denial is telling themselves. I’ve been there. You try so hard to be “normal”, you force yourself into believing you have feelings for someone of the opposite gender, forcing yourself into a “normal” relationship, hoping you can change.

[@agnesteodocio746]

FINALLY A FULL LENGHT PROF SAYING SAYING KAZUI IS GAY NOW I JUST NEED THE TRANSLATION OF TH VOCIE DRAMA TO HELP BACK IT UP AND THE GAY'S WIN

[@demonicbird]

@@agnesteodocio746 YES I don’t understand how this theory is not talked about more, even in the first MV, his Q&A and such, the signs were definitely there

[@aplucard25]

Let me put it into perspective that green apple motif from Half is theorized to represent temptation, and here, lyrics imply Kazui succumbing into it to the detriment of his wife, visually shown with him biting into the dove as the final straw that broke the marriage, and worse, his wife’s life. My own take is that the suit made it obvious enough that it was an unspoken male, and the green apple covering the face shows Kazui’s innate (implied) lust for him

[@agnesteodocio746]

@@aplucard25 can you shorting it please to make it more sense

[@aplucard25]

@@agnesteodocio746 Oop. 3 AM brain making me bad at wording things haha. This is just my own take on the green apple. There are of course multiple meanings but I decided to expand on the temptation side and tie it into Cat MV the best I can :)

[@insertswittyusernamehere5040]

my few cents on the symbolism in this video: (0:33) note his soon-to-be wife looks at him first, then he reciprocates the favor in return, meaning he may have never loved her at all and used her initial infatuation and played up the farce until marriage kazui lets the ring fall out of his mouth, then he crushes it, it disappears and reappears as a dove. doves have been used to represent monogamy and romance (as well as peace in war but that seems irrevelant) because of its connection to aphrodite/venus the greek/roman goddess of love. the dove reappears a lot, as birds are typically the prey of wild cats and it could be a representation of how kazui made the lie of "love" from his marriage, then proceeded to rip it apart and crush it in the end. the apple man at 1:46 resembles kazui's first milgram mv outfit and the apple in his head is a reference to rene magritte's painting "the son of man" where it depcits a man with a green apple obscuring most of its face. the apple has also been theorized to be a representation of adam and eve, notoriously symbols of sinners which kazui references a few times here. the fact that a green apple was chosen could be a coincidence with rene magritte's original painting, but green apples have been used to represent friendship and red represent love. so when in 1:07, kazui picks up the green apple out of the red ones, it seems like he's chosen friendship, but the next shot shows kazui holding a whiskey glass and his hand seems to have a ring alongside it. 1:43 shows the green apple rolling to kazui and him stopping it in its tracks before it reaches his wife, symbolizing him seeing nothing more than friendship out of the marriage but him not wanting her to know that. okay here comes the part that could be a bit of stretch: the use of cigarettes. from a quote of oscar wilde from his novel "the picture of dorian gray" which reads and i quote “You must have a cigarette. A cigarette is the perfect type of a perfect pleasure. It is exquisite, and it leaves one unsatisfied. What more can one want?” this is how kazui seems to perceive his situation too, where we can assume the person he's talking into the whiskey is his affair, then he calls himself greedy and later on, says this feeling can't be gratified and how he's yearning to be satisfied (2:07) of course his wife's eventual demise is his need to be satisified and not finding it from her. seeing the abundance of english featured in this music video, i think saying that kazui's symbolism was sourced from western media could very well be possible. the picture of dorian gray is also a novel about dorian, whom after gets depicted with endless youth and beauty in his painting, commits various crimes and his painting gets uglier the more crimes he commits. it is also a book famous for its censorship of homosexual undertones and themes depicted throughout. kazui gay theory is still very much on the table for me.

[@lp-kl8le]

wa smart la

[@sojirou.k]

damn that's smart

[@straicker0939]

Wow

[@syko1uraniwa2-va]

第二審→第一審の順で聴いて、色々考察とかも読んだけど、 halfは寂しそうな雰囲気で赦すに誘導してるように見えて、catは自分を加害者と奥さんを被害者とまで言って赦さないに誘導してるように見える…… 赦す赦さないどっち選べばいいのかわかんなくなってきた。

[@thechibilitwick7464]

happy cat day i can't believe kazui is now 1 year old 🫶 they grow up so fast

[@くろつきなつき]

1:33あたりからの手品みたいなものがコロコロ変わっていくのは「手を変え品を変え」奥さんを愛そうとした比喩なのかなぁと思ったり。それと青い林檎の花言葉が「誘惑」「後悔」「原罪」らしいのでそれから目を逸らし続けた結果で起こった奥さんの結末とか...??? 奥さんがそのせいで亡くなったんだとすると女性の立場からすると赦せないけど「嘘をついたこと」と「殺人」って２つの罪で切り離して考えると後者のほうでは赦したいなぁと今のところ思う...

[@user-eu6ns9rj1d]

カズイが同性愛者だと仮定して。 1:17酔って正気ではないことを装いながら、今まで好きな男性に想いを告げていたのかなぁと思いました。 また、2:44は奥さんを通して本当に好きな相手(男性)をずっと見ていたてことなのかなとも思いました…。 カズイのMVは抽象的で比喩的なものが多く見ていて飽きません。

[@user-nagumo13]

マジック(嘘)である鳩を食いちぎってるってことは、奥さんに種明かし(嘘の告白)をしてるって事なんだろうか… (追記) 0:57 真ん中で拍手する人 この人多分第一審に出てたバーのマスターと同一人物 カズイと指輪似てる 1:16 「お前」＝男性？ 酒飲みながらなので相手はバーのマスターの可能性あり 奥さんについてた嘘が偽装結婚？ →0:55 歌詞「偽装」 1:46 シャンパングラス内のリンゴ頭 第一審のバーカウンターに座るカズイの服装と一致 赤リンゴ＝「真っ赤な」嘘 →対比:青リンゴ＝真実 奥さんへの嘘が赤リンゴ 本命への想いは青リンゴ 第一審では赤リンゴが割れる 第二審では赤リンゴが潰れる →奥さんを殺した暗示？ （蛇足） 青リンゴ頭はルネマグリットの「人の子」が近い(鳩の絵もある)

[@Ebi-loved]

正直考察どうこうよりこのジャズ？っぽい曲調が刺さり過ぎて一生聴いてる

[@hitaba3054]

白鳩は子宝や豊穣のシンボル(聖書のノアの逸話)だからカズイさんは奥さんから子どもを求められて本心である「CAT=愛しい男に抱かれたい」気持ちをついに我慢しきれなくなってカミングアウトした結果、奥さんの自死を招いたんだろうか…なんか某刑事ドラマみたいだな

[@hitaba3054]

やっぱり警察官というホモソーシャル、既婚至上主義な「社会」で青いリンゴを嘘の赤で塗りたくって、愛する人に真実を告げれなかったし愛せると思った妻を結局愛せずカムアウトの末に自殺されたカズイを 「赦さない」はできないな…カズイ個人がどうと言うか、社会の問題だし

[@ameliajustvibing3850]

I hope the creators of milgram address the unfairness that's going on with kazui's voting . Seriously mass voting while not knowing about the character and bribery shouldn't be allowed

[@silentmidnightmoonlight6137]

Same, although they'll probably let it slide as this happens in real life too. Though they might make a statement based on it for next time that would affect said character perhaps...

[@Cardboard449]

Considering that their intro video said that people can vote based on anything, including just finding the characters attractive, they probably won’t. They may have the character respond to this though.

[@Lusacrisis]

I keep looking at the results and it's crazy

[@bernadettepeters9531]

what's going on with the voting?

[@violetskies0613]

I agree, but all we can really do now is keep voting for kazui each day we have a free vote. It's almost at 50/50 right now