Gripen Rafale Eurofighter - Separated at Birth

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@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
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@petergronroos5455
@petergronroos5455 4 жыл бұрын
&he Meteor is integrated on the Gripen
@Akm72
@Akm72 4 жыл бұрын
11:00 regarding Eurofighter multirole requirements. The UK requirement for multirole was only to replace the Jaguar, as I understand it. Eurofighter was seen as serving alongside Tornado rather than replacing it. Even with the low wing Eurofighter is far more capable than Jaguar as a smart-bomber (mainly because the Jaguar has to use up its limited number of underwing pylons for EW pods which doesn't leave many for the targeting pod, drop tanks and bombs).
@kingrobert3260
@kingrobert3260 3 жыл бұрын
@@petergronroos5455 All 3 jets use the Meteor, so this is not a big news for gripen 😂
@petergronroos5455
@petergronroos5455 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingrobert3260 Well, why not mention it?
@kingrobert3260
@kingrobert3260 3 жыл бұрын
@@petergronroos5455 To your question, I would answer this : why many things has not been mention ? When you know well these 3 jets, trust me, there many informations missing in this video. I used to like this channel, but this video disappointed me. He's talking about the typhoon's maneuverability against f22, but did not tell about the Rafale's maneuverability, which is clearly superior to the typhoon and f22. Even the history of this 3 jets is not complete, and exactly said. He forgot to talk about the Mirage 4000, and more ... so many informations are missing.
@sagagarwal
@sagagarwal 4 жыл бұрын
This how a teacher should teach in a calm and composed manner! The way you explain in video is 👌
@glennridsdale577
@glennridsdale577 4 жыл бұрын
It's easy when you don't have some little darlings trying to sabotage your work.
@EvilDaveCanada
@EvilDaveCanada 3 жыл бұрын
@@glennridsdale577 Ha Ha Really and truly LOL
@darielrodriguez6984
@darielrodriguez6984 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly speaking this is the only Chanel that’s unbiased and accurate. Shame on those sensationalist who spend time comparing equipment in exchange for views and likes. I’ve become a patron of this channel today. To God the Glory
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
You understood everything!
@EdwardRLyons
@EdwardRLyons 4 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting overview, but there's a couple of major points left out. 1. The most obvious design difference - Gripen was specified to be single-engined, whereas Rafale and Eurofighter were required to be twin engined. 2. Rafale and Eurofighter requirements departed because the French required a platform that could equip both Armée de l'Air and Force maritime de l'aéronautique navale, i.e. it it had to be carrier based as well as land based. The British, German, Italian and Spanish governments had no such requirement. All told, a good job on presenting a brief outline on the differences between these three European aircraft, and just the merest hint of the different design philosophies that still exist between American and European military aircraft design approaches.
@aspmusic5904
@aspmusic5904 4 жыл бұрын
Another aspect that could have been covered is the comparison of center-of-gravity vs. the aerodynamic center between the three aircraft. Having said that, I thoroughly enjoy all the videos on this channel. Keep up the good work!
@harri9885
@harri9885 3 жыл бұрын
Saab Gripen was never part of the Eurofighter 2000 programme.
@ser43_OLDC
@ser43_OLDC 3 жыл бұрын
There are plans for naval eurofigther but the project was abandoned because the UK decided to select the f35 as the fighter for its navy.
@pritamnandi6949
@pritamnandi6949 4 жыл бұрын
For the first time, I thank youtube for suggesting me this channel.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Way too kind!
@possiblyadickhead6653
@possiblyadickhead6653 4 жыл бұрын
me too this is gold.
@EvilDaveCanada
@EvilDaveCanada 3 жыл бұрын
Can't be as fancy but whole heartedly agree
@Guillaume201fr
@Guillaume201fr 4 жыл бұрын
One important difference of the Rafale compared to the others is that it is a carrier-capable fighter. This had a lot of impact on the design of the plane especially regarding the canards design.
@Thunderworks
@Thunderworks 4 жыл бұрын
And he can launch a nuclear strike
@guiguiferrand2296
@guiguiferrand2296 4 жыл бұрын
@@Thunderworks the typhoon can too
@UnsungSoldiers
@UnsungSoldiers 4 жыл бұрын
Guigui Ferrand It could be fitted with a nuclear capacity but as of now, there are no weapons qualified for that on the Typhoon.
@guiguiferrand2296
@guiguiferrand2296 4 жыл бұрын
@@UnsungSoldiers okay thanks for this information Have a nice day
@calgar42k
@calgar42k 4 жыл бұрын
@@guiguiferrand2296 not with the amount of threat avoidance the rafale can display not even close !
@bastadimasta
@bastadimasta 2 жыл бұрын
You deserve your reputation. I could not find any information about the airfoil of the Eurofighter anywhere but here. My respects
@burt2800
@burt2800 4 жыл бұрын
Discovered your channel a few days ago and have nearly watched everything so far. Absolutely love it, thank you so much for this great content!
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! I am doing my best.
@ehsnils
@ehsnils 4 жыл бұрын
I think this video should have started with the Viggen as that was the first successful modern aircraft with canard wings, and the experiences from that were brought into the Gripen project. Before the Viggen there was the Draken with the broken deltawing. One factor that also shall be highlighted about the Gripen is that it was designed to be serviced by conscripts and utilize so called "road bases" where a part of a highway is re-purposed as a landing strip.
@Spike_au
@Spike_au 4 жыл бұрын
By far the most technically thorough, well presented and interesting military channel on KZbin. Keep the videos coming!
@festol1
@festol1 4 жыл бұрын
18:54 I love this dude :) You are right, ranking aircrafts is great for TV shows or bar discussion with friends. In real world this a much complex matter. Congrats with the channel. I'm learning a lot with it :)
@nzxt1234
@nzxt1234 4 жыл бұрын
Great video i hope get too see a video of the saab 37 Viggen sometime :)
@andik.4235
@andik.4235 4 жыл бұрын
That would be nice.
@j.muckafignotti4226
@j.muckafignotti4226 3 жыл бұрын
Head down to Las Vegas during Red Flag, they’re like mosquitoes, they’re all over the place.
@PolluxPavonis
@PolluxPavonis 4 жыл бұрын
Discovered this channel recently, ir was a good thing indeed :)
@equaltothetaskaviation6440
@equaltothetaskaviation6440 4 жыл бұрын
hi mate from Australia, just wanted to say I love your channel. it's simply great content & complex systems simply well explained. very cool
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@rmack9226
@rmack9226 4 жыл бұрын
MOAR VIDEOS MAN YOU'RE MY FAV. The more technical the better. Love this.
@gosborg
@gosborg 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. It was much anticipated and very educational.
@mikemam2359
@mikemam2359 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your videos. beutifuly explained and interesting.
@marjanperveinis8355
@marjanperveinis8355 4 жыл бұрын
Very well explained differences between these three superb european fighter planes. Thank you. Saluti dalla Lituania!
@762rk95tp
@762rk95tp 4 жыл бұрын
Absence of long range weapons like Meteor, while showing Gripen taking off with 4 Meteors. Gripen was the platform it was first integrated into and that conducted most of test firings during later stages of development of Meteor, cheapest operating costs were the deciding factor among with Sweden having a lot of rather sparsely populated real estate for European country.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
I am saying that an air force with the Gripen but no long range weapons may be in difficulty with air superiority. Sorry for not being clear.
@762rk95tp
@762rk95tp 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech While considering AMRAAM to be not that long range weapon, either that or Meteor is in inventory of all Gripen clients aside from South Africa. While they might got nominally medium range weapon, they actually might have long range weapon. It is de facto replacement for Phoenix in US Navy. I have to admit that I'm too lazy to check Czech or Hungarian export permit numbers of AMRAAM and Brazil got Meteor from the start with their Gripen deal. South Africa might be as much about South African internal politics. With Royal Thai Air Force, they too have AMRAAM's for their Gripens.
@tvbox4ktv770
@tvbox4ktv770 4 жыл бұрын
@@762rk95tp Brazil order 100....first buy...
@tobymartin6394
@tobymartin6394 4 жыл бұрын
Turtle necks are incredibly dangerous, the wall is my favourite album and this is a great video
@konfunable
@konfunable 4 жыл бұрын
Hands down best aviation channel.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Way too kind!
@yankeemike-so6jm
@yankeemike-so6jm 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. But you forgot that the Rafale has a marine version that takes of and lands on aircraft carriers, and that doesn't apply to the other 2 planes. 2 reactors help both the Typhoon and the Rafale to have more chances to survive mechanical failure, as one reactor shuts down. That is why the Gripen is quite cheaper than its competitors.
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt Жыл бұрын
This video could've been an hour and a half and I would've watched the whole thing and asked for more! Would've been great if he mentioned more on the Gripen's antecedents, as well as mentioning the Rafale-M and the French Navy's role.
@dariozanze4929
@dariozanze4929 3 жыл бұрын
Europe - We love canards! US - NO! Russia - Ummm, we'l take some. China - We like them too!
@magoid
@magoid 4 жыл бұрын
On the Typhoon agility, I like to point a few things: First, the plane have a very low-key demo on airshows, compared with the Gripen/Rafale. It is obvious it lacks high sustained turn rates. So much so that Airbus themselves said it lags behind the F-16/F-18 fighters. If you don't believe me, go search for aerodynamic enhancement (a bigger streak behind the canards and a LERX on the wing) on the Flight Global website (publishers of the Flight International magazine); Second, it appears these deficiencies are on low altitude, low speed region of the Typhoon flight envelope. The aircraft was obviously directed towards supercruise, high altitude flight, so it performance there must be better there than competing eurocanards, similar to the situation between the F-15 and the Su-27 (the latter being more a low speed/altitude machine than the Eagle).
@magoid
@magoid 4 жыл бұрын
@mandellorian As I said, look at the flight envelope. No fighter (AFAIK) has a superior turn rate throughout the flight envelope compared to all the others. There is always a corner where a fighter is superior to the others . If a Typhoon pilot manages to start a engagement on the perfect conditions for the Typhoon, of course it will do better. And the same is true for any other fighter. With that said, the plane does not show any superior turn rate at airshows, so obviously it has deficiencies flying low and slow. So much so that Airbus started a program to correct those deficiencies. But you don't have to believe me. Go out there and do your research on the subject, instead of having a knee jerk reaction to something negative said about a aircraft you obliviously like. I have better things to do than engage on endless comments on YT.
@MC-nb6jx
@MC-nb6jx 4 жыл бұрын
magoid ..... “I have better things to do than engage in endless comments on YT”.. Though it’s not stopped you😉😉
@cyberknutte
@cyberknutte 4 жыл бұрын
Gripen can of course use the Meteor. Gripen C/D was actually the first aircraft to be operational with the Meteor. I don't understand how you missed this? You seem to be very well informed about other stuff! 😊
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Yes of course it can use it! I say that if an air force had the Gripen but not a long range weapon like the Meteor than air superiority may be a problem against more kinetically performing fighters.
@jontus9925
@jontus9925 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech That was an extremely bad answer. Wich airforce today will buy a fighter jet without a long-range weapon like the Meteor! Gripen can Supercruice too!
@2canines
@2canines 4 жыл бұрын
@@jontus9925 That is not an extremely bad answer pontus. Gripen E can truly super cruse, but C/D... Maybe with 2 Sidewinders and otherwise a clean setup with no external tank, one third fuel left and the fuselage polished to a mirror finish.
@patriksvensson1750
@patriksvensson1750 4 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that all of these aircrafts can carry the same missiles like the Iris-T and Meteor but maybe the Rafale and Eurofigter can take more. So in the end I guess it's the pilot and supporting radar systems that will determine the outcome.
@RogerJL
@RogerJL 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech if not Meteor then use AIM120, there is no lack of long range options for Gripen. NO airforce will skip long range weapons today!
@MIRKOUBALDI
@MIRKOUBALDI 4 жыл бұрын
This is the english speech that i want to ear!!! i've understood everything !! all video should be done like this !!! a lot of "like", great!!
@sanjaynsaigal
@sanjaynsaigal 4 жыл бұрын
Very well presented & reasonably comprehensive. Had you included the RCS data also it would have shown things in more comprehensive way
@dariozanze4929
@dariozanze4929 3 жыл бұрын
RCS data is tricky with planes made of composites and planes with ram materials.
@darveshzamindar
@darveshzamindar 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis and equally great conclusion. Keep it up.
@michaelkrentzin
@michaelkrentzin 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. They are different. One may be the best choice strategically for a specific mission, and another for a different mission. Great breakdown.
@swunt10
@swunt10 3 жыл бұрын
all these aircraft are based on the 1970's designed TKF-90 from MBB. that's literally where the eurofighter comes from.
@kenisdcunha2582
@kenisdcunha2582 3 жыл бұрын
I love he specified the large countries involved by just putting up the food they are famous for .. lol
@blackfleet1111
@blackfleet1111 4 жыл бұрын
Well explained. Composed and crystal clear. Hello, from the Philippines! Liked and Subscribed👍
@mosca3289
@mosca3289 4 жыл бұрын
Super presentation 👍🏻
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@hygri
@hygri 4 жыл бұрын
Love your lectures, all the detail and the delivery is epic - also, proper aerodynamics!
@edged1001
@edged1001 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another excellent video. You provide interesting information which cannot be found anywhere else on the internet. .One question I would like to ask. Which one of these fighters has the greatest "growth" potential ie. can be updated to remain competitive against future fighters? Thank you again for your effort.
@TT-hd3zi
@TT-hd3zi 4 жыл бұрын
From hard evidence, the Typhoon. It’s a pen excellent platform which has been upgraded multiple times through ‘tranches’. The latest tranche 3 jet will have an AESA radar and many of the latest features for jets. It also comes with a PIRATE infra red sensor, giving it a method to detect all stealth aircraft. They can also carry some of the most advanced weapons, like the Meteor air to air missile.
@itstheeconomy2101
@itstheeconomy2101 4 жыл бұрын
The Rafale is undeniably the best looking.
@Telefiend
@Telefiend 4 жыл бұрын
I'm partial to Gripen but Rafael is a good looking plane
@bennylofgren3208
@bennylofgren3208 4 жыл бұрын
CaptainDangeax They didn’t evaluate the looks of the contestants...
@Sedna063
@Sedna063 4 жыл бұрын
Nah, that probe really ruins it. I prefer the EF. All smooth
@egyeneskifli7808
@egyeneskifli7808 4 жыл бұрын
The French wanted to be in the driver seat, because they had/have a major feature in need, that the other had not: arcraft carrier operation capabilities. Even the brits said they won't sacrifice anything for it. (And in 1982 they regretted the ditching of their real fleet carriers. The modified Hermes, and the Invincible was nowhere near in capabilities compared to the Ark Royal or even to the Eagle.)
@Renegade-Master-88
@Renegade-Master-88 3 жыл бұрын
very informative , thank you!
@Telefiend
@Telefiend 4 жыл бұрын
New to your channel, love these videos. You do a great job making very technical details easy to comprehend. I'm learning from you
@zofe
@zofe Жыл бұрын
Vigen (1967), Kfir (1975), Lavi (1986)
@FlightSimHistorian
@FlightSimHistorian 4 жыл бұрын
Very good content! I immensely enjoy learning about the aviation world. You have a new sub.
@michaels8638
@michaels8638 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely broken down, although i have heard the dog fight exercises are still used to asess comparable performances between fighters, even though they are less relevant in real world scenarios with todays missile ranges it still forms a good part of the pilots education
@suryatejas3013
@suryatejas3013 4 жыл бұрын
Sir, your videos are very good providing interesting information and the presentation is also good.
@pratikpal5565
@pratikpal5565 4 жыл бұрын
Yes but the Indian Air force picked the Rafael because of it's experience with the mirage 2000s. As far as I know they are still the preferred choice of the IAF, even if we have the SU-30 MKI.
@garyhewitt489
@garyhewitt489 4 жыл бұрын
With the French propensity for giving bribes, and the Indian liking for a bung, was there ever any doubt
@harri9885
@harri9885 3 жыл бұрын
Kröhöm Saab Draken. Delta supersonic flying and superstalling since -56. And btw, as far as I remember it, one of the real reasons Dassault decided to opt out of the Eurofighter Programme was France's requirement for naval use, i.e. Carrier capability. Maybe I remember wrong?
@amramjose
@amramjose 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another excellent and informative video!
@alexanderryan-jones600
@alexanderryan-jones600 4 жыл бұрын
Would love a video on the Viggen. :)
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Noted!
@philv3941
@philv3941 3 жыл бұрын
If look closely at 14:03 you can see in the intakes some " F117 like" triangles. In fact you can find them everywhere under the plane. It's very discreet, but as far as i know i haven't seen them on the EF nor the Gripen
@Ellesmere888
@Ellesmere888 4 жыл бұрын
''Turtlenecks were challenging the survival of Western civilization' ..' HaHaHa !!! Well done. Your last comment is very pertinent; a ''ranking'' of these fighters is indeed pointless. e.g.: The P-51 was at its best in high altitude escort. The Russians loved the P-39 in low altitude roles and similarly made good use of the old Hurricane. A question which I have not seen answered, is what is the role of the fighter going forward? To wit, how many dogfights have there been in the last 40 years? Is buying a basic, versatile & cheap fighter, plus investing in ground support aircraft like the A-10 a more reasonable path for a country such as Canada ?
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
You haven;t seen dogfights after the '70s because all conflicts have been completely lopsided, with one side having an uncontested air superiority over the other. In a near peer confrontation, where tactics and technologies may start not working as expected, distances will reduce and missile reserves will be exhausted quickly.
@efxnews4776
@efxnews4776 4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing tough, US will buy A-29 Super Tucanos from brazilian Embraer, that are a light air support prop plane, mostly to be use in the same role as the A-10 Thunderbolt. Reason? Is way cheaper to buy and maintain and can stay for far longer than A-10 in air.
@vdotme
@vdotme 4 жыл бұрын
Very new to this channel but fast becoming a favourite. 3000 views but only 300 likes 🤔. 301 now 👍🏾
@jeanvaljean9293
@jeanvaljean9293 4 жыл бұрын
The influence of air intake on the speed of the rafale is lose of 0.2 mach according to dassault.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
I have heard similar estimates
@liamhemmings9039
@liamhemmings9039 4 жыл бұрын
Really high quality content.
@itstheeconomy2101
@itstheeconomy2101 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Your channel constitutes a wonderfull niche on YT. Btw have you heard about the Mirage 4000 project? I'd love to see a video on its aerodynamics.
@stevensanders1061
@stevensanders1061 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy all your videos, Thank You!
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I love your video's. Good content. Here's a production tip. It is clear you record your voice with a microphone on the camera itself because there is much room reflection included. Furthermore the microphone picks up much low which makes the signal unnecesarily boomy. If you equalise the lower freqenciess away below 100 to 200 Hz in your video editor program your will be much easier to understand.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Correct. Unfortunately I don't have much freedom of correcting the room sound. But I already cut anything below 100Hz. Audio is a weak point, I know, but it is hard to improve in my conditions.
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech OK. I didn't pick up on the suit jacket microphone. Other ways to go about it are: Move the microphone even closer to your mouth. Experiment with your position in the room. Use use a room with less reflective surfaces. Closing curtains will actually also work but that will in turn then influence the lighting of course. You can also experimrnt further with EQ'-ing up. Here's a quote: "The important frequency range for speech intelligibility is in the 1,000 Hz to 4,000 Hz range. Often, a boost of 3 to 5 dB in this range will increase the clarity. Start around the 3,000 Hz point". A few more tips can for instance be found here: www.behindthemixer.com/eight-tips-for-improving-clarity-in-speech/ Just trying to help though. :-)
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 4 жыл бұрын
@Niclas Eriksson Hi Niclas, Well spotted. I put a few more pointers in my direct answer to the host. :-)
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Ow, I spotted my mistake. I wanted to add my comment to your plasma stealth video but KZbin had already stepped on to this one before I started typing. The sound is already much better here. So sorry for bugging in. :-)
@utkarshjangid3374
@utkarshjangid3374 4 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video on su35s?
@mythilivaradhansr4247
@mythilivaradhansr4247 3 жыл бұрын
8:22 nice drawing
@shamikbhattacharyya6265
@shamikbhattacharyya6265 4 жыл бұрын
ACCORDING TO ME , THE WINNER IS... #RAFALE
@pf6797
@pf6797 3 жыл бұрын
Classic Europe. We will all do something separately and come up with the same idea.
@killingfields1424
@killingfields1424 3 жыл бұрын
They never fell short of introducing new systems or subsystems. But none ever mention the real innovator of a system everybody benefits from it. The "Touch" by Steve Jobs. As they are now have touchscreen monitors on their jets.
@FinneyDale
@FinneyDale 4 жыл бұрын
You rock!
@sabercruiser.7053
@sabercruiser.7053 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SIR GREAT WORK .PLEASE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
@kamran102
@kamran102 4 жыл бұрын
Another difference is in looks ;-) I rate Gripen No 1, Rafale No 2 and Typhoon No 3 (or 10 actually..)
@philv3941
@philv3941 3 жыл бұрын
Rafale has more sexy curves and with the twin engine , seems wider, more badass than gripen. Probably a nationalist bias ;)
@Sir_Godz
@Sir_Godz 4 жыл бұрын
i would love to see a vid on the french fighters. Its very hard to find anything on the mirage lineage in english
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
I like it, worth a try at some point.
@defencebangladesh4068
@defencebangladesh4068 4 жыл бұрын
true
@defencebangladesh4068
@defencebangladesh4068 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech please do
@guiguiferrand2296
@guiguiferrand2296 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@philv3941
@philv3941 3 жыл бұрын
Especially vertical takeoff ones and articulated wings ones ( Balzac and mirage G). Some french made videos but not as precise as yours
@earthenjadis8199
@earthenjadis8199 4 жыл бұрын
This is what I learned: If you needed a multi-role plane that could do everything well, Rafale is the winner. If you needed good air capability on a budget and your requirement was more national defence than it was expeditionary missions, then Gripen is the winner. If you just wanted air superiority and you had other planes to do other roles - then Eurofighter. HOWEVER, one thing not covered was STEALTH. None of these planes are stealth, but they have all been designed to minimise detection. How do they compare?
@calgar42k
@calgar42k 4 жыл бұрын
Simple f 35 will be operationnal by 2025 at best and obsolete in 2030 , Rafale is combat proven for 10 years now !
@Fabio-om4kb
@Fabio-om4kb 4 жыл бұрын
@@calgar42k Si Odin ne fait pas planter tout le bordel mdr oui par ce que Alis est pas trop en forme.
@alexram184
@alexram184 4 жыл бұрын
This is an awesome channel, but please consider to put your script as sub titles!
@Jay_the_AV8R
@Jay_the_AV8R 4 жыл бұрын
I have been curious, what is your background? Btw love your content! I'm always excited for the insight :)
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
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@adambratt9902
@adambratt9902 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for yet another exiting video! Topic suggestion: what are the protruding fins I see on almost every jet out there? Like the small "pectoral fin" on the J-35 Draken or the "moustache" infront of the cockpit on the F/A-18. Do they have aerodynamical purposes or do they just hide simple radio antenas? Take care in these difficult times.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
It depends, but most of the times they are just antennas.
@adambratt9902
@adambratt9902 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech oh it really was that simple haha. Thx for the input!
@henrikerdland578
@henrikerdland578 4 жыл бұрын
I admit the Typhoon started out as primary a fighter. But with the Tranche 3 version it has evolved in a great multirole aircraft with excellent air to ground characteristics, equipped with both brimstone and storm shadow.
@WilhelmB
@WilhelmB 4 жыл бұрын
I would say there is possible to determine a ranking, the problem lies within asking the right question. I.e. a very relevant question could be: "If a nation wanted a multirole fighter to be the workhorse of that airforce but not develop a new platform, which of the three platforms would be best suited?"
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion it is features vs effectiveness for a specific purpose. Great features may mean little if they don't cater to the specific desired effect. The effect, the mission if you want, are so wildly different that the question itself looses meaning. For the Swiss the Gripen was a non starter because living in the mountains they need planes capable of steep climbs, for example.
@WilhelmB
@WilhelmB 4 жыл бұрын
Millennium 7 * HistoryTech a very good example of situational circumstances, although wasn’t it because Gripen E was not operationaly ready in 2019, and therefore was recommended to withdraw?
@quentinf5994
@quentinf5994 4 жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see you making planes in KSP with your aero aéronautics skills
@Totchvache
@Totchvache 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your work. Thank you for your very interesting videos. Thanks to you my love for military aircraft reborn !
@peternicho
@peternicho 2 жыл бұрын
They both look like a copy of the typhoon
@wackydk
@wackydk 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting content. Funny to see how my country Denmark, keeps buying US overpriced airplanes, instead of going with european solutions. Maybe you could do a video about the air plane manufactors, US vs. EU etc. I would watch it with great interest :)
@frankcrawford416
@frankcrawford416 4 жыл бұрын
F-35 costs less than the grippen and 40 million less than typhoon. F-35 have the most advanced lift body ever produced. Along with sensor fusion, passive sensors, most powerful single engine, and stealth.
@user-kk6yg7ds9z
@user-kk6yg7ds9z 4 жыл бұрын
@@frankcrawford416 gripen cost like 60milion and an f35 about 90milion +the operation cost+ maintanence is sky rocket
@jimc1654
@jimc1654 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-kk6yg7ds9z Only if you want the older gripen C which is out of production. Which is no better then the F-16C that Denmark have right now.
@Rattlepiece
@Rattlepiece 4 жыл бұрын
@@jimc1654 No reason to buy the C now though. E all the way. As for actual costs they're not fully available to the public.
@chadleyjohnsonson4865
@chadleyjohnsonson4865 4 жыл бұрын
They’re not overpriced. They’re the best and priced accordingly
@ghostindamachine
@ghostindamachine 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@mwtrolle
@mwtrolle 4 жыл бұрын
Thx for another great video.
@simongustafsson3733
@simongustafsson3733 4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@patdbean
@patdbean 4 жыл бұрын
For the UK we could get away with the typhoon having limited ait to ground capabilities because until relativly recently the UK had tornado GR4 for that, and the F35b alongside UCAVs will take the air to ground mission going forward.
@patdbean
@patdbean 4 жыл бұрын
@mandellorian why don't we have any ALARM any more? I assumed that anti-radation was vital to SEAD mission these days.
@kilianortmann9979
@kilianortmann9979 4 жыл бұрын
@@patdbean There is some talk about modern electronic warfare suits being able to detect the location of the threat. This information can be handed over to a GPS guided standoff weapon (SDB, Storm Shadow etc.) to destroy the threat. Modern air defenses are not continuously radiating, so homing in on the emitter is not as useful anymore.
@imbetterthanyouis
@imbetterthanyouis 4 жыл бұрын
jdam also takes the edge of pilots needing to be proficient in ground attack , its cas thats the issue and we will learn this with the f35 they dont have the load or time on station like an a10 , at least typhoon can carry a decent load
@patdbean
@patdbean 4 жыл бұрын
I assumed that the advantage of alarm over old Anti-radation missiles was that it could loiter?
@imbetterthanyouis
@imbetterthanyouis 4 жыл бұрын
@RogerPierre what plane are you talking about ?
@vijaykumar-fv6nx
@vijaykumar-fv6nx 4 жыл бұрын
Hello! Sir same here i recently start watch your videos on your channel and i feel am in class room and you are my professor by the way i like your videos and respect to your treasure of knowledge
@robertsuhrer5604
@robertsuhrer5604 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Well done...
@possiblyadickhead6653
@possiblyadickhead6653 4 жыл бұрын
omg i cant express how good this is.
@msvergara
@msvergara 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@seeingeyegod
@seeingeyegod 4 жыл бұрын
Love this content!
@patdbean
@patdbean 4 жыл бұрын
I always think of the griphen as an f16 type, the rafale as an f18/mig29 type and the typhoon as an F15/su27/su35 type, or as an F22 with an older gen radar no thrust vectoring or stealth. And yes I do realise that is overly simplistic .
@Gripenace
@Gripenace 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I follow you with big pleasure.
@user-xo5zh9xb5b
@user-xo5zh9xb5b 4 жыл бұрын
Rafale is probably the best. Greetings from a Typhoon-Country! :D
@catarinaandersson4215
@catarinaandersson4215 4 жыл бұрын
The best for what....?
@javiermainardi844
@javiermainardi844 4 жыл бұрын
Good Channel , can you talk about de J 10 and j 20 chinese fighter ? they have delta canard configuration as well . Also the mig 1.42 project . Thanks and regards
@michalandrejmolnar3715
@michalandrejmolnar3715 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on Soviet fighter planes?
@sandeeppanda7879
@sandeeppanda7879 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the Indian Tejas? The Mark1 is single engine delta winged, whereas Mark2 is going to be the same with extra canards.
@paulcooper9011
@paulcooper9011 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but assuming the wing is a half sine wave the centre of lift would be 0.707 (sin 45°) forward of the trailing edge, yes? A delta wing cannot be much different. With the engine(s) being the heaviest part of the plane the centre of weight would be back there too. Combined with the canards this should more clearly indicate why such aircraft share the best combination of both manoeuvrability and turn rate when combined with engine power. No?
@timrobinson513
@timrobinson513 4 жыл бұрын
Great video but the strobe effect near the end was quite distracting
@sansenoy
@sansenoy 4 жыл бұрын
17:43 - you should really slap an epilepsy warning beforehand
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
You know what? I thought about it but it was already uploading ... the RAF channel doesn't have one either.
@sergarlantyrell7847
@sergarlantyrell7847 3 жыл бұрын
What is meant by the Eurofighter's radar lagging behind because of political problems?
@christianm1533
@christianm1533 4 жыл бұрын
I don't get why you say that Gripen lacks Meteor? Gripen was the first plane to fire and integrate and Meteor in its armament? Also I think was the first to do two-way communication with the Meteor? Maybe Rafale is still one-way update?
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Never said that.
@christianm1533
@christianm1533 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech : @16.30: "In absence of long range missiles like the Meteors"? In the next sentences you claim air superiority for Rafale with Meteors? Why would you compare them in Air Superiority roles one with and one without Meteors when both carry Meteors? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.
@neohimself
@neohimself 4 жыл бұрын
awesome content!
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@halnineooo136
@halnineooo136 4 жыл бұрын
If you are say Switzerland or Canada trying to replace a fleet of aging F/A-18s than the question of which platform is a better buy overall is a rather legitimate one.
@khanimania
@khanimania 4 жыл бұрын
will be intrested in doing a video for JF17 and tejahs
@catarinaandersson4215
@catarinaandersson4215 4 жыл бұрын
Thank's for your information!
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@rowanwild8445
@rowanwild8445 4 жыл бұрын
In fact the "which one is the best" is a question that can objetively roughly be answered, if we are set on frontal air superiority engagements. > BVRAAM kills account for 54% of kill claims for 1990-2002 period > All Aspect AAM kills account for 30% of kill claims for 1990-2002 period Take the 3 aircrafts radar cross section values, active stealth systems activated. Radar active antenna range and BVR meteor missile range values then try to see who see and lock the other first. Then take the 3 aircrafts radar and thermal signatures values with radar active antenna and active stealth and All Aspect AAM lock range, max range, missile seaker tracker rate and max G-load then who will kill each other. Technically this can be done. But it involved a lot of still classified info and I'm too lazy, but I can guess that the rafale should be a bit better that the other two currently on BVR engagements as they all have the same meteor missile but rafale has spectra active stealth, more stealth intakes, and last gen radar. It should probably reduce quite a bit the distance at which it will be detected by the others radar, so shoot first the meteor. If not BVR then its too complicated. I don't know how good the MICA is compared to AIM9X / AIM-120 / AIM-132 but if we supposed that it is one of the laters than even then the rafale and Gripen have lower thermal signature than Typhoon, the first having purposely designed lower thrust engines with shorter exhaust and the later a single reactor. Typhoon is thrustmaster.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 жыл бұрын
I understand your point but I can't get particularly interested in these kind of comparisons. What you have described is hardly going to happen. If it should happen, after one or two engagements, the losing side will start changing tactics. Versatility and adaptability are often more important than performance, and a lot of that feature stays in pilots' heads.
@rowanwild8445
@rowanwild8445 4 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Of course. This is a pretty dumb thing to assume anyway. In fact only new cutting edge technologies are really significant aside pilot skills between performances, not those tiny factors.
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