MIND-BLOWING Modern Miracles (watch this immediately)

[@stretchwith]

I was healed. I had been going to the chiropractor for 3 years with little relief. The night I was born again I was asked if I had any problems in my body. I said"my back". After prayer I jumped up, as if helium had been injected into my spine. Praise the Lord!

[@Randy777day]

Great! Hang onto your healing (the devil, the world and the church will contest your healing).

[@pfflyer3381]

Just like on tv!

[@mollym6375]

There is a priest in the Atlanta area who's dad was paralyzed during a diving accident: he dove head first into a pool that was slightly underfilled. His head hit the bottom of the pool and he shattered numerous bones in his neck/spine along with nerves being severed. X-rays were used to show the broken bones. At the time, he and his wife were young and agnostic. A friend of theirs was involved in the Catholic charismatic movement. The friend asked - the day of or immediately after the accident - if a prayer team could pray for him. The wife said yes. They visited the hospital, laid on hands. The day following the prayer intervention, the dude walked out of the hospital. New x-rays showed no broken bones. Guy went on to father 6 kids, one of whom became a priest. It is wild.

[@eugene3484]

Is there a name so I can research this?

[@convincetheatheist]

No. This didn't happen.

[@mollym6375]

@@convincetheatheist The medical records are very persuasive.

[@mollym6375]

@@eugene3484 let me ask if I can share. Everyone is still alive from the story, and I don't want to share here and have that interrupt their daily life.

[@convincetheatheist]

@@mollym6375 Ah, yes, and I am sure you have seen them, first hand, and know that they haven't been edited in anyway? Do you know this person? Are you.. intimate with them and privy to their medical information? Nah. There's no way. And, if you say that you did see them from the hospital source directly (the best way to ensure they aren't edited), then you're lying.

[@moosechuckle]

You have been knocking it out of the park with these interviews.

[@nanabanana1983]

I need a miracle inside my brain, neuroendocrine peptides, neurological systems, colon, rectum, intestines, stomach, skin, bones, joints, teeth, eyes, sleep and restoration of my entire life which has been ruined. I don’t understand why I’m still forced to continue on in this slow death, I need to Rest In Peace if there is no miracle coming for me.

[@sharang747]

@nanabanana1983 why don’t you try hormone replacement therapy must have testosterone in that mix it’s essential for woman as it is for men female doses ofcourse.

[@nanabanana1983]

@@sharang747 I am healed! My Heavenly Father fulfilled His PROMISE TO ME AND HAS BEGUN MY HEALTH RESTORATION PROCESS!!!!! HALLELUYAH 🌸🙏🏻

[@AlejandroDeLaRosa05]

This is amazing. I’m hooked on these studies. Thank you for this content and may the LORD bless you🙏

[@newcrossflightz]

finally, these are the interviews we have been wantting!! from academic types!! been loving these recent interviews from doctors and professors who are smart

[@hrvojevilic1674]

Lord bless you and your family this Lent. Thank you for all the wonderful content you created for us.

[@CapturingChristianity]

Thank you so much!

[@Randy777day]

As a layperson, I have lived a life of healing and miracles. Hundreds of them! We must leave the land of trying to figure this out, searching the world for an answer, and turn our back on traditional Christianity, study, meditate, take God at His word and act upon it. It is that simple. He has given us 3,700 promises. We need only believe one promise to receive from Him. Take one. Confess it out loud. Meditate upon it. Stand upon it until you receive what He already died for 2,000 years ago. God personally gave Joshua all he would need in the first chapter. We should not expect Him to return to convince us. He has already given us EVERYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO LIFE AND GODLINESS. Take it!

[@thalitakum1993]

Cameron, thank you for diving into topics like these. I think we should talk more about supernatural side of our faith,because othrewise we wouldnt be any different from non believers. When I meditate on the passages on faith in the Bible, I often think that we must have lost something really important, that people who believe in God don't necesserily trust His words. Everything is possibile for those who believe said our Lord Jesus. I ve got so called incurable disease and I firmly believe in healing. In Africa people recievie grace with simplicity and childlike faith, in my opinion that is why so many are being healed there . Have you heard of Sister Briege MacKenna? Jesus healed many people through her. She was miraculously healed herself. She is a real deal. You should have her on your show. God bless You. Keep up this great job '

[@NiaBalcer]

Hi Cam, you have such amazing content that is just not being viewed because the videos are “too long” for some viewers. Keep the long videos but could you also upload clips from the longer videos or interviews? Just for people that don’t have enough time to watch the longer ones. Thanks :)

[@msblanqui1]

Good idea on the clips. I also love these long form videos and so do most folks now. I listen to them while I work, like I would listen to a podcast.

[@Godsservant1]

I’m still confused as to why I’m suffering. I’ve suffered so much in this lifetime. Now I’m suffering with breathing issues and nerve pain. I’ve asked, begged and prayed so many times for healing and deliverance. I just want to live a normal life

[@Randy777day]

God wants us healed but we must cooperate with God. Most of the world believes it's God will to save us. But very few churches today believe and teach that it's His will to heal us always while here on earth. What we believe is the problem...

[@BlackLyst]

@@Randy777day This is very destructive teaching. In short, it says a person is not well because they lack faith. The Apostle Paul continued to suffer from an aliment, and he certainly did not lack faith, so did Timothy. I feel very badly for the person that you said this to that they were exposed to this nonsense and please stop spreading this heresy.

[@Randy777day]

@@BlackLyst Exactly who and what destructive teaching are you referring to?

[@BlackLyst]

@@Randy777day As is obvious by the indicator ,@user-rv2dc5lp6e, I'm writing to you. The destructive heresy is in your own post. I don't need to reproduce it.

[@BlackLyst]

@@Randy777day What and who I'm referring to is self-evident.

[@amongthethorns8788]

I finally finished the whole video, and really enjoyed this so very much! I found it supremely thought-provoking. It makes me really think about the hiddenness of God, it can seem so difficult to "capture" one of these miracles, yet I and so many others have experienced God's intervention in our lives. Is it possible that God is protecting us, by "veiling us in ignorance" to some degree? Just so fascinated by this particular episode, would love to see this guest again!

[@Randy777day]

It doesn't have to be difficult. As a layperson, I have "captured" hundreds of objective miracles like you read about in your bible. We have allowed people to talk us out of a relationship with the God who honors His word. Are you ready to a change?

[@thecaretaker6015]

Please pray for the miracle healing of my heart teeth gums eyes ears and all the organs and parts of my body mind and spirit in Jesus Christ Mighty name 🙏

[@Randy777day]

Start with one miracle and then work on the others.

[@dynamicloveministries334]

After watching this I could not but think of those who could not find evidence for the resurrection and persecuted the church.

[@allysondoerfler2435]

Notice that certain protestant and catholic churches DO NOT BELIEVE in miracles, but the people in Mozambique where they have not had the "benefit" of being taught unbelief received very dramatic miracles.

[@Randy777day]

Evidently, they don't require the West's confirmation.

[@JJ-cw3nf]

Can't wait to watch this!

[@KillmanPit]

I love how when preaching the claim is always "And then we prayed and God healed the sick! ". But when push comes to shove the claim becomes "there was an instance of healing which coincided with prayer for which we know no explanation". You claim high, you defend low. That's how you do it future apologists.

[@ramoncruz1007]

I think you misunderstand. From a scientific perspective, science is worded in cause and effect. The cause- prayer. The effect healing. Asking who did the healing is a secondary question that science really doesn’t have access to, and would require more work to be done. Dr brown answers this himself at 1:00:00 in.

[@KillmanPit]

​@@ramoncruz1007 Note that he isn't using "cause". This would require him to show the causative connection. Which he cannot or at the very least does not. Instead he uses "coincidence". Which is fine if he wants to collect and document coincidences. But not fine if he is trying to prove either efficacy of prayer or call these coincidences miracles. Mister doctor seems to agree with me here. But note the title of the viddeo. MIND-BLOWING Modern Miracles. Which doesn't follow the least bit from existence of coincidences. Just as I said in my initial comment: Step 1. PRAISE THE LORD, THE MIRACLE Step 2. Wait for sceptic to ask questions Step 3. Look: "there was an instance of healing which coincided with prayer for which we know no explanation". Now its YOU that needs to show that there is a plausible mechanism for healing WITHOUT God. You make a grand claim of miracle. And then fall to way easier to defend (actually nobody questions) coincidence. If they didn't notice now it's the sceptic that needs to show that it's IMPOSSIBLE that it was miracle

[@ST-ov8cm]

So, what from the published papers are you actually disputing?

[@spectre8533]

The first proposition is just an inference from the second one.

[@Miatpi]

@@spectre8533 Well put!

[@russellhare3110]

An interesting thing about saying it's a psychosomatic healing is that would imply the immense power of consciousness or mind- I wouldn't call it the brain (or only the brain, it involves mind things like attitude)

[@aaronmonroe7932]

Count the hits and never count the misses. No to bad cherries but a good cherry......hell yeah.

[@jacobogutierrezsanchez]

Thank you. This information has been eye opening about the scientific evidence!

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

Awesome content and channel Cameron!🤗❤💕💯

[@namapalsu2364]

I've watched the Unbelievable episode with Craig Keener, Joshua Brown and Peter May. Awesome.

[@aaronmonroe7932]

If there is a market for it, someone will always be there to sell to that market.

[@khadijamus5611]

I like these intelligent reputable people! ❤

[@jacobogutierrezsanchez]

If the person being unconscious received the miracle, that would eliminate the psychological explanation?

[@Randy777day]

After you've experienced hundreds of biblical class miracles secular reinforcement is unneeded.

[@EugeniaB82]

It would be interesting to look at the documentation that was taken about Solanus Casey or Andre Bessette. Fr Peter Mary Rookey is also interesting.

[@quantumphysics4692]

Great video. God bless you

[@kevinwatkins8038]

i trust these people more than regular religious priests with their own agenda!!

[@choosejesus1910]

Awesome interview!

[@Joliebebe2001]

Great show 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@AlejandroDeLaRosa05]

I would love to see this guy debate Matt Dillahunty who claims there is zero correlation between miracles and science.

[@Draezeth]

Any conversation with Dillahunty is a waste of breath. He maintains his position by deflecting. His only weapon is "I don't know and you don't know either."

[@mynameis......23]

33:00~ 35:17

[@elaineboyernjjjklklpoy838]

Dr Brown could you please pry for me as I'm house bound and unable to go to church thank you Smen

[@LivingWellist]

This was very insightful and I am glad to have listened. Interesting that the most effective way is laying of hands and commanding. Maybe that’s because the charismatic tradition talks like that and attempts/asks for miracles more?

[@searchingnewlife777]

love it guys!

[@zenchickthatbuildsstuff]

There is a guy. I heard him on jeffmara podcast. You would have to search for him I don't remember his name. But what's funny is he is on a prayer chain and he prays for people who come onto the site to request prayer so when he had some sort of accident his entire prayer chain community prayed for him. And although he didn't fully grow back his limb which I believe was his foot that was amputated from diabetes. It did start to grow back but I don't know how much. However what's funny is Jeffmara podcast is about metaphysical and all the things that can go on spirituality. However they discuss everything from aliens and NDEs and all these things but this particular one was of prayers and miracles.

[@zenchickthatbuildsstuff]

And this was going on in the hospital while he was there so the nurses even saw it as well

[@joelmontero9439]

God bless you brother

[@reazbooj4470]

This is so interesting nvr had though these stuff really exist, but i see more an more evidence

[@repentantrevenant9776]

Earlier in the conversation he mentioned that it would be difficult to come up with a control group methodology, but then later on brought up hypnotism. I think that would be perfect. Get an atheist hypnotist to perform hypnosis on patients in Mozambique to suggest healing, and compare the results with patients who receive genuine Christian prayer.

[@WaterCat5]

@@tex959 This is why you simply test prayer on things that the people can clearly not change. For example, pray for rain. It will become quite obvious from this that prayer has no effect.

[@WaterCat5]

@Just Another Guy Whoa! How convenient that prayer only works when we aren't looking. It's almost like the concept has been laden with so many qualifiers that it's impossible to prove if it's real or not! Almost like it was intentionally designed in this way. If you can't test it in any meaningful way, then you can't prove it works. So why believe it? Why would I accept the baggage of assuming there is a god when it's much more likely all these "miracles" were simply recording errors? This is ultimately an issue of presupposition. Even the guy in the video was explicitly clear that he was dying and put his whole life on the line looking for miracles. To me, that sounds insanely biased. People who believe in prayer, believe in god first. That's it. Why pretend you have reason for it anyway? If we're going off the bible, you aren't supposed to look for reasons to believe in god. Just use faith.

[@tbishop4961]

Not particularly rare as people think. I had a femur bone grow back in 1982 from perthes disease enabling me to walk again. It's not supposed to happen, but our God heals🤷‍♂️

[@WaterCat5]

Literally happened to me, and I didn't pray for it. And let's not sensationalize. Your whole femur bone didn't grow back (unless you are talking about something other than Perthes). Let's also not say "it's not supposed to happen". It is simply uncommon or rare at best. It's silly to say that the less common outcome isn't "supposed" to happen. It very much it.

[@tbishop4961]

@WaterCat5 perthes doesn't normally affect the entire bone, but only the head. Mine was completely gone and a plan was made to replace it surgically after a few years No.. femur heads absolutely aren't supposed to regenerate. It was completely unheard of to the medical staff caring for me✌️ If you think I need validation from a random clown on the internet, you're truly a full blown t@rd👌🤣

[@WaterCat5]

@@tbishop4961 Idk what sources you've read, but looking up the disease online clearly shows that the bone does indeed grow back in many cases as it did in mine. I guess I don't know your case in particular, but it's hardly a miracle if you experienced something on the more extreme end. On top of that, a more likely explanation is simply that they did the x-rays wrong or misinterpreted them, and your bone didn't need to grow back as much as you were perhaps told. We have many instances of doctor's making diagnostic mistakes. There are no such documented instances of miracles.

[@tbishop4961]

@@WaterCat5 if you aren't convinced, I just don't think I can carry on with life 😴

[@WaterCat5]

@@tbishop4961 I don't really care what you believe. The issue is when people assert their unfounded beliefs are reasonable and expect others to believe them. This is the whole problem with religion.

[@stbasil2135]

Catholics do certainly believe in healing prayer. Unfortunate comments Looks like only the prayers of Protestants.can heal.

[@chipchelios]

So these cases went on for 11 , 12 long years and never recieved a prayer until all that time passed? Took 12 years to recieve a prayer and the miracle? Hm

[@Apanblod]

I didn't watch this immediately and now I don't believe in miracle healings!! 😭

[@clararizzi8051]

How sad, miracles do happen when you least expect them. I have seen miracles happen,and they happen everyday. Except we are too busy and blind to realize when they are happening. I thoroughly enjoyed the interview in the medical and scientific explanation. God is the HEALER. The Power of the Mind is incredible. God Bless.

[@CapturingChristianity]

It’s not too late fren!

[@Apanblod]

@@clararizzi8051 Hm.. ok. I think I'll be least expecting a miracle next Thursday around 2pm. I'll keep my eyes open! Or rather the opposite as I won't see it coming.

[@Alexleight]

@@Apanblod you could get it by Wednesday with Christianity Prime if you pray for it before 5 pm

[@mrscharmless]

@@Apanblod Be open to God. The gift of faith is there for you to take, you just have to actually take it.

[@Randy777day]

Jesus and His Apostles did not feel the need to have a healing doctor verified before and after the healing. Though, Jesus often told the healed to go report to the priests.

[@ItsJustAdrean]

It's hard to get the good parts out of these interviews or listen on the go. Can you upload clips of the highlights

[@rotorairgroup8409]

So to my understanding they have to investigate why so many people were blind and deaf. That is clearly an anomaly.

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

Why is that?

[@rotorairgroup8409]

@Mister Kitty And Friends he is talking about a place with several blind and deaf people. How many of those do you know ? It has to be a reason for that because it seldom happens.

[@SeekingVirtueA]

Were any of these miracles: limb regeneration, visible issues being healed eg scars and burns, or diseases that do not also spontaneously remit? Those are the cases that would get me thinking if they were really regular.

[@shayneswenson]

There are documented cases of this. A great book to read is Healing Fire of Christ.👍🏻

[@nicolesousa1836]

I know of a documented case of a man's intestines' regrowing, his surgeon was an aethiest that became born again after he opened him up, especially since he himself at removed the dead intestines in a prior surgery.

[@convincetheatheist]

So, like, why doesn't God heal the kids with cancer? The babies born with life-threatening conditions? He just.. what, doesn't care? I don't understand. Make it make sense. Thanks.

[@navigator687]

Poor guy tried to start a KZbin career attacking religion and nobody cared or subscribed. Back to Reddit you go 😂

[@BreakingRadOfficial]

“I’ve heard no evidence that prayer results in healing. I’ve only heard accounts of people who were prayed for and were inexplicably healed.” Is this Dawkins commenting behind a fake name? “There is no design in nature. There is only the overwhelming appearance of design at every level from the most Lilliputian up to universal constants.” Sometimes people don’t want to believe so hard that they have rendered themselves incapable.

[@alanlaxton2084]

What books do you recommend for evidence of these healings and proofs of miracles

[@alanlaxton2084]

@@tex959 thanks I know that but could they publish them on paper for people to read where they don't need to go on online y'know I would like the evidence in a complete book that would be cool

[@alanlaxton2084]

@@tex959 that's amazing I just pray he publishes it on paper and make it into a book that would be so cooool

[@namapalsu2364]

A Cardiologist Examines Jesus - Serafini.

[@alanlaxton2084]

@@namapalsu2364 thanks do you have anymore suggestions 😊

[@namapalsu2364]

@@alanlaxton2084 Honestly I don't. I'm an advocate for detailed study of miracles because I believe that it's the best tool to evangelize and for apologetic purpose. Christian are too focused on natural theology such that the most important tool, ie. miracles, is left out.

[@samuellowekey9271]

Christ works quietly in the background.

[@samuellowekey9271]

@@tex959 Nothing, miracles take place now as then. But as then, outside of Christian circles people don't believe. I could tell you what's happened to me, but why should you believe me? You don't know me. People psychoanalyse me, claiming i believe in God because i want there to be one. Wrong! I wasn't looking for God, but boy did he find me. The things i've seen God do in my life, and the lives of others is amazing. If God doesn't exist, then we're biological machines. We just have the illusion of purpose, value, justice, love, hate, of having inherent rights. War, murder, theft, rape, it is because it can be, because it works, because its successful. Cooperation, rules, laws, they work because it allows the collective to fend off rival tyrants. But as history teaches, kingdoms, countries societies fall apart because of internal power plays and outside forces. It's all for one and everyman for himself. If that's what you believe then good luck to you. But know one can explain how life got going. It's one of life's deepest, unexplained mysteries, no one has a clue.

[@origami74]

@@samuellowekey9271 🤦‍♂️

[@samuellowekey9271]

@@tex959 I don't think i ignored your first question. You're arguing that miracles don't happen now because you don't believe in God. I disagree, but i'm not here to argue about people's personal opinions.

[@samuellowekey9271]

@@tex959 All the best Chris.

[@christopher7725]

Where’s the part with the video evidence?

[@ericaosani8492]

oh yes,!

[@ranoteirm1383]

power of supernatural makes Christianity different from other faiths

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

To be clear: he calls "miracle" a (desirable?) event with UNKNOWN explanation, NOT a supernatural one. A claim for "clear evidence" for a supernatural intervention, is not supported by an unknown cause for a desired effect, but with a VERIFIABLE supernatural intervention. The claim is that supernatural forces can affect physical energy and matter. That can be measured. Eagerly waiting!

[@Alexleight]

I’m curious. How does one verify something that is, by its nature, supernatural? Wouldn’t that require the use of natural measurement methods? Help

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

@@Alexleight That is another problem they should solve before claiming any conclusion, indeed! From the physics side it can be tested if, for example, when uttered prayers for a mountain to move, or for a limb to grow, any (unexplained) energy moves the matter to do what asked. Then comes what you mentioned, perhaps. But, regrettably they are not at that stage, still, just collecting testimonies.

[@Alexleight]

@@TheCheapPhilosophy do you think it’s even possible to prove something supernaturally given we literally don’t have access to supernatural? It seems to be we would simply have to just inference to the best explanation or just claim agnosticism to these claims.

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

@@Alexleight I have no idea. Those claiming agency of supernatural entities should have a way to detect them, other than simply assuming what they want to be true. At least can test different gods, different religions, languages, illnesses, latitudes, cultures, to have a broader landscape and not cases of confirmation bias.

[@Alexleight]

@@TheCheapPhilosophy if you don’t know it’s possible to have, why demand that as your standard of evidence then? I’m confused

[@GerberdingFamily217]

12:30. Starts

[@inokowanru4425]

whowww!!!

[@anaking8800]

Wrong the Lord heals. The one who truly hates all of us is the one who makes anyone SICK

[@Randy777day]

The Thief comes to steal, kill and destroy.

[@xenozombie6200]

Just like with the exorcism guys, this is all wild claims followed by excuses for weak evidence. We live in an age where everybody and his grandma carries a pocket video recorder all hours of every day, and has the means to publish widely accessible recordings almost instantly. If acts of God like healing and demon possession actually pervade the observable universe as asserted, then I would expect to see far better support today than believers are offering. I'm not necessarily saying I need to see a missing limb regenerate before I can accept a religious argument. However, assuming you have some desire to convince others of religious claims, be it healing or demons or what have you, then surely something of the sort would benefit your cause, yes? "We don't get to pick and choose the evidence we're presented with," while perhaps true, strikes me as a tacit admission the evidence is less than compelling.

[@johnmakovec5698]

Cool! Some new amputees healed?

[@zorrobatman1]

this is the same sentence that the Pharisees would have said to Jesus regarding his miracles. Who are you to judge HOW God works? Do you want him to materialize and grant you an interview? No my dear, too easy.. you have to have faith.. and not try to be a debunker in Christian channels. If you are a staunch atheist, what brings you here? Maybe your psychological need to disprove any doubts whether there is a creator? Does it bother you that you can be judged at the end of your life? Yeah.. what a shame not being able to have a complete mental pass to do everything you want in life!

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@zorrobatman1 I am just a human. I do not question God. But I like to challenge claims about gods made by other people. If an apple falls from the apple tree, it's the apple directly guided by a God, or it's just a way how fruit trees work/are created. The same thing about someone healed from recoverable illnesses. Is it a direct act of God or it's just a way how human bodies work/are created? The obvious miracle would be a new limb for an amputee, because it is known, that human body without a supernatural event can't grow it back. But sometimes a commonly occurring events are marked as "miracles". But is it a fair tactic to lower a bar for "miracle label" to create an aww connected to the "true" miracles?

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@wordsbIoom Unfortunately we don't have better evidence for it than let's say for golden plates of Joseph Smith.

[@sarcastisism7008]

I submit EVERY single person in the United States that has been ill or injured had someone praying for them. You cannot just attribute unexplained instances of healing or illness reversal to prayer.

[@learntechgrow4777]

superr!

[@ThePjakes]

Émile Zola is an interesting case. A skeptic of Lourdes healings but even after having witnessed a 'healing', still obstinate.

[@davethebrahman9870]

He just doesn’t heal amputees, or millions of kids with cancer.

[@nickerson3437]

@@dirtydevil there are many cases of cancer spontaneously disappearing in people (including children). My own son suffered from MDS for a year until one day it was just gone. However, most doctors do not generally attribute this to some sort of supernatural phenomenon but simply view it as a medical mystery with no clear explanation. In my own experience I can say that no medical doctor had any interest in exploring the reason my son's MDS went away by itself, they were simply glad that he got better.

[@nickerson3437]

@@dirtydevil That is my point. Spontaneous remission with no known etiology is an observable phenomenon but the underlying assumption is that these aren't supernatural miracles but that there is some other explanation that we are unaware of. If amputees were miraculously growing back limbs on a regular basis we would make the same assumption.

[@derekallen4568]

I... myself... was a mass debater. I don't do it so often anymore though.

[@mkl2237]

It’s a universal dude thing. You think you’re special? Or funny? Stupid pun and way out of context. And… TMI…. Really. Super dumb comment Bro

[@daman7387]

this takes me back

[@grnblh5969]

Why does he not heal amputees?

[@Hbmd3E]

did thou in Azuza

[@OrthodoxJoker]

Because then unrighteous people would believe and it would be too easy. God picks the genuine. That’s my opinion anyway

[@grnblh5969]

@@OrthodoxJoker sounds like a very convenient excuse. How does that make any sense? If he’s already performing miracles then why would that be any different?

[@grnblh5969]

@@Hbmd3E cool

[@OrthodoxJoker]

@@grnblh5969 it makes sense to people with a brain. It just went over the atheists head again

[@grantofme]

Dr. Brown says his debate opponent didn't have any evidence to support his psychosomatic explanation. A frustratingly typical response from an apologist and dead wrong. He has the exact same evidence as you, Dr. Brown. The difference is his hypothesis is based on something that just about everyone would agree can and does happen. The fact that people tend to feel better just because they are receiving some kind of intervention or treatment is the whole reason why placebo-controlled studies are the gold standard of medical research.

[@ST-ov8cm]

Perhaps you didn’t hear correctly, Sweetheart. When there is organic disease one day and not the next then psychosomatic explanations are moot. One first has to explain how the evidence for the disease existed to begin with. If a person has a broken bone with X-ray and other evidence it cannot be explained by saying that said person simply imagined his bone was broken.

[@grantofme]

@@ST-ov8cm ​ I believe I heard correctly. The first of just two cases under debate/discussion was someone who received a medical diagnosis *as an infant*. Sixteen years later they requested prayer and subsequently the problem (being unable to eat) was apparently resolved. Under such circumstance, a psychosomatic explanation is definitely not moot. Further, your analogy of the X-Ray definitely doesn't apply here because the cause of the original issue was labelled "idiopathic", i.e. no known reason why the problem persisted in the first place.

[@ST-ov8cm]

@@grantofme You’re still not listening. Medical diagnosis of ORGANIC DISEASE necessarily precludes psychosomatic explanation. Why don’t you review the published papers and give your critique of their findings instead of giving obtuse objection to hypotheticals.

[@grantofme]

@@ST-ov8cm I'm afraid it is you who are not listening. In this case, there was no diagnosis of "organic disease" leading up to recovery. There may have been an original obstruction, resolved through surgery, after which the persistent condition was labelled "idiopathic", i.e. no known cause. That I get directly from the paper, "This is a case study of a 23-year-old white American male with a history of idiopathic gastroparesis". No mention whatsoever of an "organic disease".

[@ST-ov8cm]

@@grantofme What does that have to do with the original premise? He said his debate opponent had no evidence for psychosomatic explanation. You said he was wrong. He specifically referred to medically confirmed organic disease. Now you divert

[@danacunningham991]

In Mark 5:1-20 Jesus heals a demon possessed man while Matthew 8:28 says Jesus restored TWO demon possessed men. In Mark 10:46-52 Jesus heals the blind man Bartimaeus but in Mt. 20: 29-34 Jesus heals TWO blind men instead of just one as Mark says. Mark 5:2, Mt. 9:18-26 and Lk. 8:40-56 all record the resurrection of a dead girl. Lk. 7:11-17 contains an additional resurrection story where Jesus raises the widow's son and in Lk. 17:11-19 Jesus heals 10 men with leprosy! Nevermind the fact that these all look like the stories have been embellished over time. How come today's "miracle healings" are only ever of a single individual with some sort of internal ailment that makes it indistinguishable from a natural cause? Why doesn't an entire hospital ward get healed simultaneously? Why don't limbs ever regrow? If someone is missing an eyeball, why don't they ever spontaneously regenerate? How about a cremated person coming back to life in physical form?

[@MsBellsandy]

The hospital argument is common. Do you know how fast people offering prayer get kicked out of hospitals? Seen it happen outside the doors. They kick the people out. Also, not everyone operates in the power of God correctly. Lots of people beg, and THAT is NOT how Jesus prayed. There have been instances of resurrection in our day, but people don't believe them for obvious reasons. I have also heard of eyeballs regrowing and fingers regrowing. Coming to life from cremation however I've never heard - that would be something. If you're biased against miracles, you will definitely never admit to seeing one. And if you're never around people praying for them, you won't see one either. Also there is not evidence the stories have been embellished over time. The timing of the manuscripts is very early, in which witnesses would have still been alive to verify. You should check out J Warner Wallace's book Cold Case Christianity. It's fascinating.

[@pills4bill]

Is the first really a fair contradiction assuming that the aforementioned man was one of two possible men? "Nevermind the fact that these..." I cannot say I share your view here. The only conclusion I can come to vis a vis your conclusion is that Jesus, at one point was not perceived as God. My reasoning regards the paltry action of healing ten rather than one. Surely a God could heal whole nations, worlds, the universe. The exaggeration you claim only appears relevant, at least to me, if the case were that Jesus were seen as some manner of prophet.

[@Ng-zg4dq]

Ave Christus Rex

[@matsas0]

and yet... still... God doesn't heal amputees 🤷

[@bootswith_defir]

I say this with sincerity… Have you considered that it is possible that God understands that people such as your self will always raise the bar after being presented evidence you cannot explain? It what world can retinas magically regenerate? This is equally as impossible as an amputee being healed. Is it possible that God works in such a way that the ones who will humble themselves seek him and find him, and the ones that refuse evidence and raise the bar just past what they are given will not see him? You wouldn’t want him to force you to believe in him. That would be compulsion, not true belief. If Christianity were proven to be 100% certain, you may recognize that it’s true but you would still be left with your sin and the command to repent and follow Jesus. Would you do that? Just food for thought. Have a great day.

[@matsas0]

@@bootswith_defir thank you for your comment. Well firstly we have to account for the miracles in scripture. Such huge extravagant miracles were made. Much bigger than heeling an amputee. Your claims don't hold against those reported miracles, it was not an issue of compulsion then, so I don't see it being one now. With such over the top miracles anyway, you will be forced to believe that miracles happen yes, but you still might not worship or want a relationship with the entity doing the miracles. Also some people might raise the bar and want more miracles yes, but definitely some honest sceptics/doubters will be convinced and thus saved. So probably mathematically it would be worth it if God wants to save more people

[@bootswith_defir]

@@matsas0 Man I think that’s a really interesting point about “compulsion not being an issue back then”. I hadn’t thought about that. My gut response would be that in the Old Testament God was showing through his divine power, that he is God alone and deserves worship over all earthly idols and he wanted to make that abundantly clear. The reason it needed to be clear was so that when he sent his son to pay for the sin of humanity, there would be no doubt who he came from. He would fulfill the prophecies about him and people would say “surely the man that does these miracles is from the God who parted the sea, or delivered us from Egypt etc.” Then the interesting thing is that Jesus said “You believed while seeing, blessed are those who believe without seeing.” So the command to believe without seeing marvelous miracles didn’t come until Jesus. Before Jesus the message was BELIEVE because of all the obvious crazy supernatural miracles God has done in front of your faces! But they still denied him. So Jesus pointed out that seeing the miracles cannot save you. When Jesus died he said “it is finished.” In the Greek “paid in full”. So now when we consider believing in God we don’t look at whether or not crazy miracles happen, we look at the cross, the most important miracle. The work has been done. That’s my Christian answer. I’ll look into it more though!

[@jacoblee5796]

It would be far more interesting to pick say the best 5 cases and debate them with another Dr. who isn't a Christian. This guy didn't say much of anything here and this wasn't convincing at all.

[@jacoblee5796]

@@Devious_Dave i accept your apology….

[@theresurrectionexpert]

The New Testament stresses that Jesus was a well known healer and exorcist. This news spread all over Syria according to Matthew 4:23-25 which exaggerates Mark's much more modest claim of just Galilee in Mark 1:28. Anyway, Josephus says Jesus was a doer of "paradoxical deeds." This is inconsistent with the New Testament description as Josephus uses the same healer and exorcist terminology for other figures such as Solomon and Eleazar and David in Ant. 6 and 8. If Jesus was really known for his healing and exorcism powers then we would expect Josephus to reflect that. The fact that he does not do so is evidence that the New Testament depictions are not accurate. Moreover, if Jesus really was as famous as the New Testament depicts then we would expect much more from Josephus. Jesus is only given a few lines in Josephus' works which obviously shows his influence must have been historically way less than the New Testament depicts.

[@shinjiplays2309]

A. Just because he used paradoxical deeds instead of healer and exorcist may not mean anything significant. Perhaps he wanted to highlight that Jesus was much more than just a healer and exorcist. This is not even close to a contradiction between the two accounts. At worst, it's a synonym. Try not to have such a biased lense B. there could be many reasons he did not write much about Jesus. Jesus only ministered for three years, so people further from the events are more likely to give it less notice and be more skeptical. He could've also thought that Jesus's presence was so strong that it would be redundant to write about. It could be other political or social pressures. We don't know. Very weak counterpoint

[@mkl2237]

What’s your point…. “Expert”? Satire. I like satire. Your comments amount to nothing more than that.

[@theresurrectionexpert]

@@shinjiplays2309 You seem to contradict yourself. On the one hand, the phrase paradoxical deeds is being used to signify Jesus was "much more" than just a healer or exorcist but, if that were the case, we would expect Josephus to include more about this grand figure rather than just a few lines. So your first point would seem to contradict your second.

[@mkl2237]

You’re a self-proclaimed “resurrection expert” huh? Please: tell me your credentials:

[@litigioussociety4249]

This is a terrible argument from silence. Your argument amounts to some guy who wasn't a follower of Jesus didn't mention specific things about Jesus, so those things can't be true. If Christians applied that logic to the bible, and heralded some writers above others, then lots of parts of the bible would just be discarded. This is almost like a non-Christian form of Marcionism where you reject everything that wasn't written by Josephus, because everything else is too Christian, much like Marcion rejected everything but Luke and ten Pauline epistles, because the others were too Jewish for him.

[@bradsmith9189]

Please stop with the two minute nonsense. There is no need for it and it is not “cool”…

[@mkultra9896]

Unity doesn’t believe in healing prayer??? You lost me with the Todd White stuff!

[@sanjeevgig8918]

EVERY Cancer hospital should have a Medical section and a Faith Healing section. Patients of the Medical section get medical treatment. Patients of the Faith Healing section get Xtians to pray for them. This is what a scientific test setup looks like. LOL

[@knuttyse7883]

"Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@knuttyse7883 The Bible says the bible is true and you shouldn't test anything in the bible. That's why he calls you sheep. Don't think. Just OBEY. . LOL

[@mkl2237]

Sanjeev: are you a scientist and/or a medical professional?

[@knuttyse7883]

If those praying are true christians, they cannot help but pray for those in the regular medical section, because their love for their neighbors is perfected by their life in Christ.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@knuttyse7883 DON'T the "True Xtians" have FAITH that the lord will heal their Cancer ?? LOL

[@sanjeevgig8918]

The Xtian god is just too scared to show his "miracles" in scientifically monitored conditions. LOL

[@billnheather1344]

Yes...he's scared of you, dummy.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

​@@Douggyadam Yahweh/Jesus: The winner of longest Hide-and-Seek game ever. 2000 YEARS and counting. LOL

[@mkl2237]

Your mockery is consistent… I’ll give you that much. So tell me, Sanjeev: are you an atheist or an adherent to some other religion or belief system? It’s clear you have a problem with Christianity but here’s your chance to say what you believe: 🎤

[@nono-bt8gy]

Just by curiosity, is it because of the lack of vocabulary that you have to conclude all your comments by "LOL" or is it because you are not smart enough to realize that they are actually not funny?

[@billnheather1344]

You must not have watched the video. He talks about multiple miracles that were done in scientifically monitored conditions. Again, you're simply dishonest.

[@thehopelessdeterminist]

If you think about it, God is the one responsible for all diseases and ailments in the first place. So to credit him with "healing" seems rather strange.

[@mkl2237]

I’ve thought about it as you suggested…. Nah.

[@jaggedplanet]

“If God real why bad thing happen?” If God’s not real, why good thing happen?

[@thehopelessdeterminist]

@@mkl2237 Did you remember the part where God designed the human body and made it susceptible to disease, frailty, pain, old age, etc?

[@mkl2237]

@@thehopelessdeterminist awwwww….. you’re a crybaby. You mad, huh….

[@JP2GiannaT]

All that stuff is traced back to the fall of man in Genesis, not to God's initial creation. Suffering and death are in the world because our original parents chose to sin. If you don't believe that, fine, but that's the explanation in Christian doctrine.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

In the history of humankind, we have had questions for unexplained things and science has solved them and in NO CASE the answer was "A god did it." "We didn't find any reason for healing" ... so, "My chosen god did it" is an appeal to ignorance. LOL

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@tex959 Science: the professional way of extracting knowledge of reality. Religion: Being compressed into smaller and smaller corner with every advance of science. HOW many Xtians will agree to your definition of "miracle" to mean "no natural cause known, yet" LOL

[@CJ-sw8lc]

​@@sanjeevgig8918'The professional way...' 😋

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@CJ-sw8lc YOU XTIANS should listen to Drs. and Pastors who got their PhDs Timbuktu Christian University. They have all the answers. LOL

[@CJ-sw8lc]

@@sanjeevgig8918 Hey - TCU is a very reputable educational establishment, thank you! .... ;)

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

Your idea of science is wrong - science finds out how God did it or how what God created works. The laws of the universe are decreed *outside the universe*. The matter of the universe came from outside the universe with initial starting conditions. The laws of the universe are not self-executing or self-creating - they are meticulously crafted, which is the only reason we can understand the universe at all. Without a reasonable, ordered universe there can be no science to reason through, no order to observe or document. You can take a computer program and discover the math functions and parameters it operates under, but this does not mean nobody programmed it. The fact you can do that should strongly suggest it was programmed by a person, and was not the result of random bit flips. Random bit flips do not generate working software. In the case of miracles, we don't have an answer for how God did it, yet. But to children, the automatic updates to their switch games look like miracles.

[@grahamjones5400]

Cameron is Catholic now, he just left Jesus for Satan.

[@CPATuttle]

🤦🏻

[@miketheevolutionslayer2649]

Great video I had a blast blasting the government Fable Theory Tale better known as evolution believers.

[@charbelbejjani5541]

The video has nothing to do with evolution

[@Apanblod]

Which government?

[@origami74]

@@charbelbejjani5541 he's kidding

[@miketheevolutionslayer2649]

@@charbelbejjani5541 Doesn't have to 👍

[@miketheevolutionslayer2649]

@@charbelbejjani5541 I Still had a blast refuting 😘👍

[@pfflyer3381]

Just like on TV! Prayers, TELL That to the Palestinians!

[@pfflyer3381]

How about hemorrhoids!