Mineral Paint Recipes, Myth Buster

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@adams13f Ай бұрын

I live in arkansas and after watching this i was up half the night researching the native paints and pigments!! Cheers!! Great video! Tou taught me to look farther than the books.

@airstreamwanderings3683 Ай бұрын

Hopefully you can find some like-minded people in the area. I haven't used this web site much but it can show you where different deposits are. www.mindat.org/

@adams13f Ай бұрын

@airstreamwanderings3683 thank you very much.

@marleneruddell9395 10 ай бұрын

Really interesting experiment Wes, thank you! Could it possibly have anything to do with the type of slip that was laid down as a foundation and did you rub the paints in with a polishing stone?

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Slip may make a difference but I used 2 different types and they both behaved the same. I did not polish in the paint. Thanks for your comment.

@marleneruddell9395 10 ай бұрын

@@airstreamwanderings3683 ah thank you for the answer, certainly looks as if water only needs to be added, great experiment Wes

@trevorpayne5070 10 ай бұрын

Nice video Wes. I’ve been wanting to do a few of these test. Lolli bought me a St. John’s poly bowl. The blacks are not glazed, and some what translucent or opaque. I often think that particular bowl was painted with just mineral and water. Excellent video man. I look forward to future videos!!!

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Let me know if you do any experiments. I would really like to see a picture of your pot.

@cliffordkelly5327 10 ай бұрын

Howdy Wes ! Great challenge & video ! Yu really ran the Gamut this time & it was a very interesting statement by that Archaeologist & Yu tackled the job well ! I’m assuming that when Yu fired yur shards , yu used bulk charcoal or biscuits ?! Yu are certainly getting yur proper heat up ther to attain a ceramic state ! This video answered some of my questions to my challenges ! Still love yur channel !

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Thank you kindly! Yes I used charcoal and Temps were at least 850C and probably 900+

@Kleis1 10 ай бұрын

This is a great experiment Wes! Thanks for sharing it. It is some really good information for me. I am newly enamored with ancient pottery and methods. Cheers! alivia

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@judithwinner12 9 ай бұрын

What temperature did your fire get to? I have a feeling that it has to be fairly high, 820* C at least. As you stated, I think, it had to be hot enough to sinter the paints and clay. Great video as always. ❤

@airstreamwanderings3683 9 ай бұрын

Thanks. I don't remember for sure but it was at least 850 or possibly 900C. With charcoal I always get good temps - sometimes too high.

@dezertdrifter 10 ай бұрын

I buy my minerals in powder form but even then I find it to coarse and end up grinding it in a mortar. Thanks for sharing your results!

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

That sounds like a good plan. I would really like to try the nanoparticles. Thanks for the comment.

@ellenlinscheid9435 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. Did you polish the slips before painting? Have you ever encountered slips that dont want to accept the paint?

@airstreamwanderings3683 7 ай бұрын

Yes I did polish them a bit before painting. Whether some slips accept paint differently is a great question which I have not tested. I know you need smectite clay to accept organic paint but I don't know if there is a difference with mineral paints. I will have to put than on the to-do list.

@nom_b 10 ай бұрын

Im guessing a smooth type of rock for grinding on is important to get the particles as small as possible. I only have some pieces of basalt which are not very smooth yet. I guess grinding paint on them will make them smooth eventually.. I have powdered minerals, not rocks like you, so I will have to find a suitable pestle rock as well.

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

I use a river rock for grinding so it isn't polished. I think a little texture is helpful. I also think grinding the commercial mineral might help.

@nom_b 10 ай бұрын

Ah yes I didnt explain myself well. All my rocks have little rough bits sticking up so it wouldnt be possible to use them for paint grinding without some sort of smoothing first. the mineral particles would be perfectly safe from being crushed because of all the pits and valleys of the rocks. But I just went for a walk and collected some better/less bumpy basalt rocks. I only took a few from near the landscaping.. so I cant be blamed if the rockwall falls down 😆 . I'll test them out later and see how they go.

@willorocks 10 ай бұрын

awesome video Wes! Thought you were doing a mini ten commandments replica with the shape of those tablets at first. 😅 Very interesting results! I never have much luck with just straight mineral's, I personally have to add more clay then the recommended just to get things to stick, especially with manganese. I'm surprised at the results. I wonder if it's since the clay body was not smoothed? If that would make a difference? Thanks for making this video!

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Thanks. Although the slip was not super smooth I did polish it with a polishing stone.

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

In this case I ran out of space and could only have 9 commandments. 😊

@alanreed4830 10 ай бұрын

Would applying the pigments after polishing the vessel make them more fugitive?

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Good question. This slip was moderately polished. I've wondered if a course surface would make a difference. I think the key is for the mineral size to be very small.

@coopart1 10 ай бұрын

Great experiment Wes! I would bet every culture and subculture within the southwest had slightly varied ways of getting the job done. Just as we are experimenting to understand their success I’m betting they did too. Cheers !

@markgibsons_SWpottery 10 ай бұрын

Agreed! there are probably hundreds of recipes that work, as long as you can see the design, I am happy! Great experiment,... we are on a similar mission,.. Good luck finding the best black!!

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

No doubt. What I would give for a ti.e machine. They have found paint pallets but I don’t know what kinds of analysis they have done.

@coopart1 10 ай бұрын

@@airstreamwanderings3683 right ! I do remember reading somewhere traces of lead was found on Hohokom pallets . The journey of discovery is part of the joy !

@manystones603 10 ай бұрын

Whilst your paint is mineral only, you are painting the mineral onto a (clay) slip. One might then say that this is almost equivalent to a mineral paint mixed with clay? Just a thought…

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Yes, that's basically what I think. The minerals soak in and get surrounded by the clay in the slip. Thanks

@calebwarnock9131 10 ай бұрын

Were those minerals calcined first or did you "grind" them in their natural state?

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

The were used in their natural state just as they were collected. Thanks.

@virginiajorgensen8614 10 ай бұрын

Where do you get your minerals? Great video.

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for Watching. I found the manganese at an abandoned mine and the others were given to Mr. If you live in AZ, Andy Ward is leading a group to an abandoned mine this weekend.

@airstreamwanderings3683 10 ай бұрын

You also might try rock shops.