Fanatec CSL Pedals Load Cell VS. Thrustmaster T-LCM pedals 🎯SHOOTOUT🎯 Which one should YOU get?

[@SimRacingCorner]

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[@DrR1pper]

Done. Another excellent video. Looking forward to your review of the 3Drap mods. :)

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@DrR1pper Thanks fella. I'll be getting started on testing these mods shortly. Not sure which one I'll begin with, so many to choose from that box. But a bunch of videos on the way soon.👍‍

[@DrR1pper]

​@@SimRacingCorner if I may lend my opinion, I reckon CSL pedal owners would be most interested in the load cell brake elastomers mod first, potentiometer brake mod second, throttle and clutch mod third and noise reduction mods last. Not trying to sway you, just my 2 pennies. :)

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@DrR1pper I agree, that would be my logic too. They are the more complex videos, so I expect some of the quicker/easier mods will come out first while I'm working on the brake mod content.

[@DrR1pper]

@@SimRacingCorner makes sense. :)

[@mopedwilf2006]

Excellent review ! Not used the fanatec and own the thrustmaster set as at the time they were the only real budget load cell set. Using half of your brake mod I find them a great set of pedals . You will never get a set of pedals to truly mimick the real thing as you use your other senses to feel what a car is doing. Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest equipment and have to apply funds best they can to achieve their own best immersion level. Most race cars have quite a lot of pedal travel anyway to suit heel and toe . At the end of the day we rely on these sort of videos to give us some idea of what we are getting and this nails that perfectly 👍

[@SimRacingCorner]

Thanks!

[@carlwyatt5036]

Whatch alot of these vids and tried alot of mods . My answer is source quality springs for resistence ,replace . Because the pedal is then working as it was designed and you can do the math to your own resistance m8 . Good vid

[@szpiliracing]

I don't have proper sim rig so went for TLCM pedals. They are mounted with metal plate to playseat challenge and with your DIY mod it was still a challenge to make them properly fixed. Seeing how stiff fanatec's are, I cannot imagine of using these despite having CSL DD base.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I have some CSL LC brake mod video/s coming (might also test those rubbers from my T-LCM brake mod), and see what we do about this.

[@DrR1pper]

@@SimRacingCorner sweet!

[@Dave062YT]

I use T-LCM pedals with a combination of spring and rubber brake mod sections and works great .

[@junkyardblaze189]

When I first got the load cell csl brake i thought it was too stiff but they do break in. Shoes are a must though! Im not going to bother modding the brake pedal but i’m still looking forward to the video. I am looking to do the clutch and throttle mods from 3drap but I have been waiting for you to review first. Thanks for all you do!

[@IBuiltDaArk]

Late comment here, but don't do the 3DRap mods if you haven't yet - Race Sim Engineering does a far better spring mod, check it out

[@junkyardblaze189]

@@IBuiltDaArk cool I haven’t done any mods yet so I will definitely check it out. Thanks!

[@IBuiltDaArk]

@@junkyardblaze189 Karl Gosling has a good video on them, I actually just purchased my set last week and after 1 week I'm loving them, adds the tension I was expecting! A little pricey with shipping to US but worth it The guy is a redditor as well, that's actually how I first discovered the mod, from /r/simracing

[@junkyardblaze189]

@@IBuiltDaArk yes I just watched Karls video on them and I think the springs are a little more bang for your buck. Price is pretty close to 3drap anyway.

[@slaphead90]

A quick fix for the T-LCM lack of stiffness is to put a couple of soft skateboard bushings in place of the lower spring. This will stiffen up the brake action considerably as you're only using one spring as opposed to two springs in series - the single black spring with bushings is actually 33% stiffer than the 2 red springs in series, and a single red spring with bushings is twice as stiff as 2 red springs in series - I knew my physics lessons would one day be useful. Of course using elastomers instead of springs would be the way to go, and it beggars belief that Thrustmaster didn't include elastomers as an option.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I think Thrustmaster decided to pick the safe option going with springs as the extra stiffness of elastomers does add another layer of complexity to the end user to deal with keeping the pedals from sliding on the floor.

[@slaphead90]

@@SimRacingCorner That's a good point, but still TM could have included some in addition to the springs with a warning that the pedals would need to be mounted to be able to use them properly. I've got a set of Heusinkveld Sprints on the way and they come with a bunch of additional elastomers, so I'm going to get the Sprints set up to my liking and then experiment with the leftover elastomers on the T-LCM - assuming they'll fit.

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@slaphead90 I agree, it would have been good if they included elastomers as well. Or even sold them as an upgrade of sorts. Considering how popular third-party mods are for the T-LCM brake, Thrustmaster are missing a trick here.

[@gabesalazar5275]

Nice review. It would have been nice to add a cost comparison so prospective users could help determine value. If the Fanatec are 10-20% better but cost 50% more, then maybe they're not worth the investment?

[@SupernovaeTech]

The review mentions pricing is comparable. Without discounts and ignoring shipping costs, the CSL LC pedals are $/€200 and the T-LCM pedals are $250/€230. Depending where you live the Fanatec pedalset may cost more with shipping than the Thrustmaster set and there could be a promotional price on either set which would impact the price formula. Also keep in mind you can start with the Fanatec 2 pedal set at $/€80 and add the load cell brake for $/€140 later on. Sure you'll spend more over time, but sometimes the investment is enough and you have a viable upgrade path whereas the Thrustmaster isn't as modular.

[@linzkirk]

I bought T-LCM second hand for £100. I replaced springs for elastomers as the vid from your channel, But I didn't use the Skate bushes, I use 4 Grolsch flip top washers and 1 spring instead and now it feels more like a real brake with realistic travel. I think the main difference of both of these is how they compress elastomers/springs, the fanatic is more direct and the T-LCM is more levered allowing for more travel. I like the travel of the T-LCM and not sure if I would like the limited Travel of CSL LC. I also have CSL without a load cell but don't know if its worth the price of the upgrade if I already own T-LCM. what do you think ? Great vid i've subscribed

[@SimRacingCorner]

The CSL LC is a very stiff pedal. It's easily modded, so it's not a huge issue. But I wouldn't say it's worth getting when you already have the T-LCM pedals.

[@user-fb5bt6jd7v]

Owned both, Fanatec all the way !

[@orangechannel4862]

In fact, it depends only on the base itself. If we have СSL DD, then we take fanatek. T300 or the upcoming DD from the trustmaster - TLCM. The pedals are wonderful, both of them.

[@SimRacingCorner]

On console, then yes, it's a fact of the matter. But on PC it doesn't, both have USB and work standalone. As the upcoming TM DD is PC only, you can run either pedal set.

[@orangechannel4862]

@@SimRacingCorner I think it's much more convenient to buy a base and pedals from the same manufacturer, right away. And in my country, fanatek is not for sale at all, and ordering separately for the sake of the T300 is too much. The new DD is simply obliged to go with TLSM in the kit, otherwise it will be an insult.

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@orangechannel4862 It is weird that Fanatec doesn't ship to some countries.

[@orangechannel4862]

@@SimRacingCorner They send the steering wheels to my country, but it comes out very expensive, it takes a long time, you have to pay a large fee at the border, besides there is practically no guarantee. I bought the trustmaster in the store opposite the house with an excellent discount and without a headache.

[@mArvAlcao71]

@@SimRacingCorner it's an insult. They made their products in China yet they don't even ship to the Asia except Japan.

[@-fatal-]

Great review. I have a T-LCM, but probably I will upgrade to the V3s. :) If I would buy one of these now, I probably would go with the Fanatec CSL LC.

[@SimRacingCorner]

The V3's would be the way to go as a proper upgrade over both these.

[@MobileDecay]

I wish there was a more casual-focused channel that didn't assume everyone was turning this into a living.

[@Dave062YT]

The T-LCM s have a steel plate inside the plastic case btw

[@markwood9751]

Some great vids duder XD hmm, Unrelated, but newest vid :) You made and reviewed a few head trackers... What has ended up being your every day tracker that you prefer using and maybe a thought for a long term update vid? Well anyone chime in really, tis' but a discussion :D

[@SimRacingCorner]

The truth is, I don't use head tracking any more. It was something I just dabbled with around the time of making those videos.

[@hoekie1980]

Hi first thnx for the vid,,,now im new to “sim racing” i play mostly gt7 on ps 5. Here is my noob question,can i use the fanatec pedals with my tgt2 on ps5? Thnx in advance

[@SimRacingCorner]

On console, as the pedals need to be plugged into the wheelbase, you can only run Thrustmaster pedals with a Thrustmaster wheelbase. Likewise for the Fanatec pedals, they only plug into a Fanatec wheelbase for consoles.

[@hoekie1980]

@@SimRacingCorner ok thanks alot for the info!!

[@RealRemixYT]

Is there any after market parts I can get for Xbox one anything that would work with forza horizon 5

[@RealRemixYT]

I basically building a simulator for Xbox I got a dash a handbrake and shifter all I need is a cluster I also have a removable wheel

[@BobK58]

I'm looking at getting new LC brakes to replace my Logitech pedals. I was leaning towards Fanatec but then I started seeing people reporting issues with the LC pedal not working with the other pedals in the setup. Some report a burning electrical smell. That gets me concerned as the customer support at Fanatec doesn't seem to be all that great.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I used the CSL pedals for 6 months without any technical issues. It's the first time I've heard of the problems you've highlighted, and no one's dropped comments on any issues on any of my videos. That makes me suspect the problems are isolated rather than widespread.

[@BobK58]

@@SimRacingCorner I hope so. I searched 'CSL load cell pedal not working' and got quite a few hits. I still have a few months before I purchase anything so I guess I'll just keep watching. Thanks for your video. I appreciate it.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I don't think there is anything abnormal going on here. Type in 't-lcm pedals not working', and you'll get an equal amount of hits. In fact, you can do the same thing with any hardware, and you'll get hits. Anything mass-produced is going to have some measure of failure.

[@BobK58]

@@SimRacingCorner I understand. Nobody complains when things work.

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@BobK58 Yup.

[@Nickinatorz]

What do you recommend on for example the Playseat challenge? I have the F-GT Lite and really debating on what LC pedalset i should get. Thinking about the TLCM, since im a thrustmaster guy and never play with shoes, but those fanatecs look really good.

[@SimRacingCorner]

The T-LCM pedals are the safe bet. I do like the F-GT Lite pedal placement, it looks like you can really push into the brake. As for the CSL pedals, if you're prepared for the idea of potentially modding the elastomers, then it's not a problem that can't be fixed if the stock brake is too stiff.

[@Nickinatorz]

@@SimRacingCorner Thanks man, then i'll probably go for the Fanatecs if the mods are good. You'll be making a video on that right?

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@Nickinatorz Yep, there's going to be a slew of CSL mod reviews coming up.

[@Nickinatorz]

@@SimRacingCorner Nice! I'll be waiting for that before I buy, thanks for the help! 😄

[@sicphuker]

I Hate Fanatec. But The CSL Pedals Are Great Quality For The Price. Only Product I Don't Regret Buying From Them.

[@markwilliamson3043]

The fanatec can't be used directly with the thrustmaster t300 rs gt wheel base on ps5, can it?

[@CRno25]

Have you been able to find an answer yet? I'm in the same position as you. I heard a drive hub will allow Fanatec to work on PS5, but I haven't tried it. Also, idk how brake or Clutch will work with that.

[@Bugster1970]

do the both of these have hall effect sensors?

[@SimRacingCorner]

Yes

[@Bugster1970]

@@SimRacingCorner ah good because i'm switching to those soon because my g923's pedals are literally trashed now and they are only 5 months old

[@shaunitai]

why dont you try upsidedown?

[@curleex3838]

3Drap..... Nuff said ✌💙✊🏻