Fanatec CSL Load Cell VS Thrustmaster T-LCM Pedals!

[@ComputersAreRealCool]

Your reviews are always excellent. You always manage to talk about every question I have about a product, and you feel like more of a "real consumer" than some of the other channels that review sim racing stuff. Keep up the great work :)

[@Matty.Hill_87]

After watching this I'm definitely going for the t lcm's just because I can't deal with a ridiculously heavy break pedal when I just want to have some fun. Thank you for a really good review of both

[@KarlGosling]

No worries!

[@edibledognut8739]

Your cat is a beautiful cat.

[@KarlGosling]

She is! :)

[@aitortillasfrias7280]

@@KarlGosling It is an Abyssinian, I have one exactly the same, when I have seen it I have thought that Charly is doing there! Great video Karl!

[@iGneOSakrO]

Probably the best comparison between these two pedal kits I've ever seen. Thank you for the video!

[@KarlGosling]

My pleasure!

[@musiccritic8704]

Love this review!!!!! You actually address our concerns as consumers unlike most channels. Im happy i found this video and it made my decision easy!

[@KarlGosling]

Glad it was helpful!

[@baringer1471]

First thing I did with my tlcm was getting rid of that crappy springs. I use a combination of rubber spacers and plastic washers to get the perfect brake feeling. Works perfectly

[@darkloneblade]

Can you explain further about this?

[@natel7382]

I went on Amazon and got the Apex spacer I think. Idk it's a little better but I can't stay consistent. Also what do you use for a setting as for force?

[@jacobburks3652]

I just got in my thrustmaster T-LMC pedals and am just waiting on my T300 Ferrari integral wheel to come in. So excited!!! Gonna be playing hours and hours of Gran Turismo 7 on the PSVR2!!!!

[@skaposzczet]

Definitely the best comparison on youtube. Was hesitating over load cell pedal kit for my fanatec or T-LCM as the cost will be similar. Now I know everything that i need to know.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate!

[@rossharper1983]

Never been into sim racing or racing games and started watching you for the VR content but your rig looks ace. So yesterday I bought my first budget steering wheel, a Thrustmaster TMX and started playing Forza horizon 5 (I know it's not SIM but I'm starting small lol). I will say, my young daughters absolutely love it lol.

[@mikedakin1]

Doesn't matter how you start. Your now down that rabbit hole!

[@KarlGosling]

Ahh you've given in and bought your first wheel! :) lol Glad the kids like it too.

[@IK47-d2l]

Try to upgrade to TX Wheelbase ... huge difference

[@Leynad778]

FH5 has quite awesome physics and when you turn every assist off in simulation mode, it feels quite sim-alike apart from the super-grippy tyres. I started with FH2 years ago and this was far easier to brake, which makes everything too easy. FH5 braking-distances feel almost realistic and without ABS you can't just brake very late and corner at the same time, so it can teach the basics pretty well.

[@djdevontay]

@@Leynad778 FH5 do not feel good on the wheel. I have the thrustmaster ts-xw. First wheel brought. With the Alcantara Ferrari wheel. Love the wheel swap. But that game I can not stand. It’s always sliding so much with the wheel

[@dirkvanechelpoel4577]

love it when someone provides a review and is actually knowledgeable about engineering principles, in stead of basing a review on pricing and FANATECiness alone (looking at you boosted media)

[@embir82]

I have used T-LCM pedals for over a year now. There is one very irritating thing with those. After some time break pedal is getting "loose" and you have to tighten it with an allen wrench using screw at the bottom of the pedal base. In my case I need to do this about once a month and it is getting pretty irritating - especially when you start to feeling loose pedal during racing.

[@KarlGosling]

These always things like this that show up after time isn't there.

[@Chuggnuts]

Mine came loose really frequently, and being mounted to a profile rig, that's up against a wall (pedal end) with a TV behind the wheelbase, and so no access to the underside of the pedals, meant they got binned off unfortunately

[@schmid1.079]

One thing I've noticed, is that the Fanatec pedals are fairly far apart from each other. Brake and Gas are ok, but when left foot braking the clutch isnt exactly where you'd expect it. But maybe I still have to get used to them more, having had a G27 prior.

[@jdossantos88]

you can move the pedals

[@schmid1.079]

Then they are way too near. :P I've gotten used to it now anyways.

[@TheFlual22]

I got my T-LCMs last summer at my local retailer for 160€ . I recently upgraded the springs with rubber spacers for about 20€. Thats 180€ for great pedals which is a bargain.

[@LatvianVideo]

Nice, over here they are 210eur and someone I know said they were 250 before :(. Very much debating between the 210eur TLCMs and 240eur CSL LC, maybe even get the non load cell for a total of 160eur

[@pumpkineater23]

Can't help but notice that your sash lifts are fitted to the meeting rails instead of the lower rails.

[@KarlGosling]

I literally have no idea what your talking about mate?! lol Meeting rail? Lifts?!

[@SerialDriver]

First thing to do with the tlcm is to put all the washers to cancel the grey small spring which is useless. Then the travel is great

[@Steadymobbin711]

If that fanatec is only moving an inch for you, for me it's immovable. 😆

[@Toutvids]

One thing most people ignore is the bitrate of these pedals. The information is getting hard to find and Fanatec don't even clearly state the specs on their website. But Thrustmaster does... it clearly states the pedals the T-LCM is up to 16 bit resolution or 65,536 values per pedal. From research, Fanatec is also 16 bit when plugged into a USB port but reduced to 12 bit (49,152 values) when run into the back of the wheel base. I do not see info if the Thrustmaster also gets this reduction.

[@KarlGosling]

It's because either is perfectly fine so not important mate.

[@Adonisletsplay]

Your explanation is really brilliant. Now I almost feel this pedals, and happy that i've chose csl:) Thanx!

[@Daisudori]

I had the old CSL LC and now TLCM and I much prefer TLCM myself.

[@dawoud8013]

i had the CSP V1, and now the TLCM. And i prefer the TLCM (for brake and clutch pedal). i prefered the kind of smothness of the CSP V.1 on the accel pedal only, but i prefere the rendering travel of the TLCM. The wider pedal arm on the CSP (and seems to be approx the same on CSL) is better and give a more solid and stable feeling, that is missing on the TLCM. On the TLCM you can mod pedals position ! important ! Overall i prefer the TLCM over the CSP V.1.

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

Fully agree with everything Karl has stated about the T-LCMs. I have the T-LCMs and even after modding them they're still way too soft, went and ordered a set of the Simagic P2000 pedals. Hopefully those are capable of being a worthy upgrade. I got the Apex V2R mod for the T-LCMs and I fully recommend them.

[@Anonnymouse53]

I've used my pal's Fanatec's and I prefer my T-LCMs after modding them - though the Fanatec felt better stock. T-LCM stock springs felt like trash though, but after adding some elastomer from fleabay and doing a bit of 3d printing they are much, much better. Likewise I added a stronger spring on the throttle and clutch. I think the benefit of the T-LCM is having a higher pressure load cell, so there's a greater range to modulate & although the longer throw of the T-LCM brake pedal can feel unrealistically long if you run quite soft rubber/springs - it just makes it easier to modulate for me, I have a better ideal of where I am from 75% to 100%. Only downside to running them this way is that it can be harder to heel-toe, but that's not much of a concern to me. I've got about 10'000 miles / 2000+ hrs in-sim on the T-LCMs and have had them apart to clean/regrease recently and there's no sign of wear, nor do I think there is any noticeable flex in their construction. Overall I think they are both good value for money and with aftermarket/diy mods can both be improved quite a bit, but the Fanatec is a better product out of the box.

[@davidl2153]

Also consider when comparing 100kg vs 60kg is they may not be using that entire range. When I built my load cell pedals I used a 100kg load cell but limited it to 50 in the electronics. As this was what I wanted to have as my 100% braking force. The price difference is small but for thrustmaster the marketing difference is large. For some the it's almost double the force so must be better will take over. I would be surprised if in reality thrustmaster are near 100kg at the load cell.

[@marcodifabio5979]

That's a really nice kitchen! Btw, great comparison between pedals... but that's a wonderful kitchen counter 😆

[@Epiccarstuff]

YES! Love it Karl. After Boosted's brutally honest comparison I went back and watched SRG's review of the TLCM. Honestly it's really concerning how Barry straight up mislead people about this product. I wonder what else he's misrepresented? Thankful honest people like you and Will are shining through.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate, there's only one reason people are not honest in their reviews... money :(

[@rossimessi1]

Thanks Carl. Using your brain and senses to tell us the real differences. Everyone else will just tell us the specs. This is why your reviews are the best. I don't understand who designs these things? I had the thrustmaster and was annoyed with the way the pedal face moves up as you press it. And the brake has an annoying step as you bottom out the springs and then hit the load cell. The fanatics are a far simpler design and far better. Simpler is always better when it comes to design.

[@KarlGosling]

Agree mate, the CSL's just feel much nicer both in build quality and in use IMO.

[@SupraSmart68]

@ rossimessi1, I don't care what Occam says about razors, I'm still not going anywhere near a cut-throat, not with my nervous twitches!

[@Stiwen666]

I have T-LCMs for quite a while now and I use them with one red spring and elastomer mod from 3DRap, that was reviewed by Random Callsign and for me it's perfect. Can't compare to CSL as I didn't test them, but I've driven Heusinkveld Sprints and they were too stiff. I mostly do drifting in AC and some racing in ACC and F1 series and my setup feels like the best of two worlds - it's stiff enough to race and close enough to a real car to feel good when driving/drifiting in AC. Plastic base of T-LCMs isn't a deal breaker in any case, but they HAVE to be mounted to a rig unless you are using softer springs.

[@Matty.Hill_87]

Have you had any issues with accelerator or clutch springs snapping? I've seen a couple of people mention it, but don't know if they're just one off's or misuse

[@Stiwen666]

@@Matty.Hill_87 no issues at all. Still working perfectly fine. Few of my friends are also using T-LCMs for almost two years now and also no problems.

[@calebwright2849]

Everybody is so concerned about them being all metal construction and I get it but not all plastics are bad and weak. The most important components on the TM are metal and the plastic case doesn't feel cheap like the plastic pedals that come with the t150 and t300 TM kits. I would think the TM having hall effect sensors and the loadcell would make them more appealing to most. I get the issue with pedal flex but if you have a good cockpit with a good pedal stand it shouldn't be an issue. I really want the fanatec inverted clubsport v3 pedals but being 600 I can't swing it. I did stretch for the fanatec shifter though I thought it was worth the extra 50 dollars over thrustmaster th8. But as to the pedals in this price point, I think the thrustmasters are better and more adjustable and customizable but compared to clubsport inverted or not it's not even close.

[@BBGunOcelot]

I have these Fanatec pedals with load cell coming in March this year. Upgrading from my G29 pedals with TrueBrake v2.1 which has been a good upgrade from stock, but still far from perfect. Fucking stroll on already... Thanks for the videos on the CSL kits. Really helped me make up my mind between these and whether or not to put double down on the ClubSport V3's. I think I'm going to be very happy!

[@KarlGosling]

You will be happy mate, they are a decent set of pedals for the price :)

[@markwilliamson3043]

I take it for the ps5 these won't work unless you have a fanatec wheel base? you can't use the thrustmaster t300 rs gt with the fanatec ones?

[@SlightlyMisunderstood]

Excellent review and comparison. Very well articulated. 👌

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks Steve!

[@StatsGam4er]

I love this guy ! Very good review mate.

[@kylerobinson6102]

He knows his stuff without doubt. I am watching him like every day yo lol.

[@bratosin1]

Don't be worried about the brake on TLCm , 100 is way way to hard to compress and I'm 36 years old 205 pounds , I only need 70/max 80/100 on the brake force ( calibration tool) Just put the 2 red springs with 5 washers and preload springs between 2. Open the pedals cover and switch the springs between clutch and accelerator if you dont need the clutch ,because the spring of the clutch it's harder and feels way better on the accelerator pedal 3. Calibrate the pedals on the pc ( once calibrated they memorized into the pedals so you can use it on console( I have the xbox one x) Amazing pedals set

[@KarlGosling]

It's way too hard... for you. You can't speak for everyone else mate, some like a really hard brake pedal.

[@bratosin1]

@@KarlGosling i understand that but i still believe it's hard enough for most people, the pedal brake is way harder than my real BMW car , so you dont really need that extrem stiffness for a natural feeling of the brake

[@Skippy-id9yt]

I bought the TM load cell a few months back after a few hours trying everything to make it stiffer (bits of rubber (those black door stopper thing lol) I finally went down to hardware store and bought stiffer springs for it (bunnings in Australia if curios) and after ruining 2 of them(springs) and getting it right I am now happy ✌

[@ej4439]

Mate, you remember what springs you ended up with? I'm in the same boat lol. Bunnings references are fine :P

[@Skippy-id9yt]

@@ej4439 ah shit , they're near the door springs and door stoppers section , I know it was C ...something (doesn't help I know ) and I had to cut them down to fit , sorry not more help though ✌️

[@olek9224]

I just got the load-cell pedal yesterday and i thought it was very stiff with little travel. So I took the foam bit from the non-load cell brake pedal and replaced one of the rubber ones on the load cell brake with the foam bit. The foam bit has a hole through it that fits on the load-cell pin. Got a bit more travel and better feel i think👍🏻😊

[@KarlGosling]

Personal preference mate and down to what you're wanting it to simulate... race cars have rock hard non servo assisted brakes with almost no travel at the pedal, road cars have soft, light and lots of travel.

[@olek9224]

Yes I wanted to get a softer feel like the cars I have driven before😊 And its nice when you only wear socks😅👍🏻

[@kzugaming4287]

Thx for thé vidéo. I bought CSL pedal and ordered thé load cell + tuning kit After watching your review 😉 january 22nd to wait

[@KarlGosling]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@sigurgeirluviksson4876]

Where is the FOOT-age?!?!?!?!?!? (I´ll show myself out) Great content as usual!

[@fleezybaby]

hey Karl, can you do a pedal review on ALL the pedals you have, from like, both an unmodded and a modded perspective, as well as wheel compatibility? I want to upgrade from my g29 pedals, but i don't know where to start.

[@KarlGosling]

I only currently have Logitech and Fanatec pedals mate, wouldn't be much of a video! lol If you have a G29 I'm assuming your console? In which case you're very limited by what you can do and I think you need to buy whatever works with your wheel base (I don't have a console to know for sure).

[@fleezybaby]

@@KarlGosling I'm on pc. My g29 setup was inherited 😅

[@Largallama]

Great break down of both sets, think you have tipped me towards the CSL set.

[@KarlGosling]

Thats what I'd get.

[@roostergeeracing6962]

Great breakdown of the differences! Thanks.

[@KarlGosling]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Marcel-em1vw]

Hi Karl, Is it possible to leave the foam insert in the 'former' brake pedal to simulate a bit of clutch resistance?

[@KarlGosling]

Sure is.

[@mrgusse]

Excellent review. I'm thinking about getting a better wheel and pedals, but I have limitations.... I don't have a simrig or wheelstand, I really don't have room for it. Now... would it even be possible to use either of these pedals on the floor? And also, the CSL DD / DD Pro (5Nm) should I even bother since I have to mount it to the table (I wouldn't use the included desk clamp but instead go for the clubsport clamp as it seems more secure and the wheelbase would sit more on the table than outside it). The other option is the Ts-XW but I really don't know

[@KarlGosling]

Using any of that equipment on your average flat pack desk would not be ideal, a solid wooden desk might not be too bad and of course you have to do what you have to do. Pedal wise they may well lift under hard braking so you'd have to run them soft/short calibrate them..

[@mrgusse]

@@KarlGosling yeah well. It sucks to not have the option to go for a rig ofc. Might go for the clutch pedal instead should be more suitable for my scenario.

[@drecoracing]

Your literally 3xplaining what torque is. Great video lol

[@arn0o055]

TLCM can easily be hacked with 8€ soft rubber spacers ( sim racing corner video on YT -) , i did it on mine, it's a game changer. Now, like you do in the video, i can hardly push the pedal by hand. Also, first thing to do with the original springs, is to add the washers to avoid the effect of the middle spring.

[@joost1183]

It worked fine for me, after 3 weaks the rubbers started to wear out. Any solutions?

[@noobsimdriver]

@@joost1183 use a skateboard rubber bushing. Won't wear out.

[@johanblume2621]

Fantastic and informative video. Subscribed! To the point and very helpful.

[@KarlGosling]

Welcome aboard!

[@mesasartworks]

may i wrong, but i think you can use the Fanatec only built in a rig otherwise it will slide away on the floor.

[@KarlGosling]

No mate you can run it on carpet just lower the brake pressure.

[@mesasartworks]

@@KarlGosling Nice. Thanks for the useful tip!

[@MattSwain1]

I’m looking to buy load cell pedals at the moment. I’m not bothered whether there’s travel in the brake pedal or not, I am concerned that I’ll struggle to hit 100% braking force reliably given that I’ll be using it on an Xbox with fewer configuration options. I’m lightweight and have damaged bones in my left foot so I’m concerned about spending a lot of money and finding the pedals are stupidly stiff

[@KarlGosling]

I'd go with Fanatec V3's as these can be adjusted down to be very soft mate, probably more so than any other LC based pedal I can think of. www.fanatec.com/?FAP+Banner&General+Links&a_aid=6174361ca9a4c

[@adambuzzeo]

I don't like having an insanely hard brake pedal. The TLCM with the 2 red springs and all the washers is perfect for me.

[@bratosin1]

Yes the perfect setup for tlcm , 2 red springs and 5 washers + preload spring between , and brake force set to 70/100 , I don't like more because i have to concentrate to much to the brakes and I lose focus on actually driving , 2. One more thing : open up the pedals and switch the springs between accelerator and clutch! Now the accelerator feels miles away better! ( I never use the clutch)

[@VishnuRajam4x4]

Karl check out the ApexV2R brake mod kit for the thrustmaster TLCMs, they feel absolutely amazing. Many people would appreciate a review of the mod to let them know they can get it.

[@KarlGosling]

I'll check it out mate :)

[@Sandstorming99]

thanks for another great video Karl. has your load cell broke in at all, is it any less stiff now?

[@KarlGosling]

These are not my daily driver pedals but my V3's have not got any softer after a few years of use.

[@JamesLangevinMusic]

Great video Karl. I've got the T-LCM's and the old Elites. I use a Playseat challenge and the T-LCM's work well because of the extra weight and body of the pedal set. I've got the Apex brake mod for the T-LCM's and it's a game changer. I do like the look of the new elites and plan to pick them up. I like the fact you can space out the pedals more and I'll be sticking a spring in the LC to create a bit more travel. I'm hoping some mod guys will create more options for the LC compression spacers. Surprisingly there was very little if anything released for the old elites. Lots for the T-CLM's though. I"ll start with a nice spring though and that may just be all that's needed.

[@mitch_emes]

+1 for the brake mod, completely changes the feel of the brake. The stock spring setup was horrid and shouldn't have launched that way lol.

[@JamesLangevinMusic]

@@mitch_emes I use a combo of the Apex black mod and the black T-LCM spring. Feels perfect for my setup with a little more travel. Fun fact: The red spring of the T-LCM fits perfectly in the Fanatec LC elites spacers, the old elites anyways. Once I grab the new elites I'll be testing this as well.

[@mitch_emes]

@@JamesLangevinMusic very similar to my setup, I have a different brake mod kit though from a company in Canada(can't remember name) and I use it with a red spring. Feels great. I prefer to have some travel in my brake pedal and it achieves that.

[@phillipblanshard3423]

@@madshendriksen6935 I was going to ask the same thing... Is there a kit anywhere?

[@rel7529]

Would you say the clubsports at $360 are worth it compared to CSL + loadcell at $200?

[@KarlGosling]

They won't make you faster but they are a nicer set of pedals both in looks and functionality.

[@papi_chulo69420]

I plan on racing street cars and not as much race cars. Do u still recommend the CSL pedals bc Ik street cars have softer brakes than race cars

[@Ahogg1992]

In the video is the fanatec clutch the old non load cell brake pedal or a purchased clutch?

[@KarlGosling]

The clutch add on, but that is just a brake pedal with no rubber.

[@PureRallyUK19]

would the T-LCM be a lot more stiff then the g923 brake pedal?

[@CiroDiMaRzio12304]

you can adjust the strength of the brake pedal by using different type of springs that comes with it.

[@KarlGosling]

It's not a lot more, I'd say about the same, the Logitech pedal at 100% travel is heavy, people actually used to mod it to be lighter! lol

[@PureRallyUK19]

@@KarlGosling okay thanks, cheers mate

[@ranakirti]

TLCM , Brakeforce Settings help. Hi, I have set Brakeforce at 0 on tlcm. But i still find it too hard to get desired braking. i would prefer for it to be easier than 0 to get 100% braking. Is there a way to reduce this below 0 or change any other setting, so i have to press the brake with lesser pressure/force to get up to 100% braking....? Thanks.

[@Tapoutime79]

I'm new to this but you forgot to put in the washers in the Thrustmaster that's why it's easy to push down. It's alot harder to press down with the 4 and washers. Edit I guess you do mention it.

[@KarlGosling]

Always best to watch the whole video before commenting ;) lol

[@Tapoutime79]

@@KarlGosling I would recommend when you do compare things. You should compare them using all parts that was supplied. I honestly was just going to unsubscribe when I noticed you didn't put the washers in. Alot of people would. Why wouldn't you compare them equally with all supply parts that's my question?

[@terrylu4894]

hmmm~ I thought if the spring is too hard, then the pressure would reach the limit before you put the pedal to the bottom, which will put the travel beyond that point deadzone?

[@KarlGosling]

Yes and no...The CSL brake pedal hardens up before reaching the 60kg max and you can then modulate around that point (exactly what you want), you then have to press stupidly hard to max out the LC. The T-LCM is the opposite, you run of travel long before maxing out the LC and the pedal feels dead as there is no travel left.

[@terrylu4894]

@@KarlGosling thanks for the explanation :D

[@billwiley7216]

When you calibrate your pedals you can use the amount of pressure you like to use to simulate full braking power, actually I usually set mine so the pressure I really like is about 90% and using 100% of the level I calibrated leaves that last 10% as an extra oh shit braking level!

[@KyleP133]

Great video as always. Is there any chance you could compare the VNM shifter and the Fanatec shifter? Im so tired of dealing with it losing calibration, but I'm worried the VNM shifter wont feel as good in H-pattern mode. So glad you touched on the absurdity of hydraulic throttle pedals. People may like them better, but that's not how real cars work, exactly like you said.

[@user-ix9ow1xt4s]

Thanks Mate , just what I need in time for black friday sale. 👍

[@berggunner1130]

Cat! 😻 And the inevitable question: How would the fanatec do on a playseat challenge? Given the brake pedal is hard, will it lift the whole chair of the floor? Or be ok?

[@KarlGosling]

You'd have to run the brake force low for sure.

[@berggunner1130]

Right, I'm highly considering buying them for my playseat but was thinking if the thrustmaster was better suited. From everything else I hear and see I would prefer the fanatec though.

[@petercamp6457]

Wouldn’t recommend T-LCM with playseat challenge. It doesn’t work well with the Velcro strap. I ended up swapping to F-GT lite which I think would be fine with either.

[@Sweatydave1]

I run the tclm on my play seat challenge with no issues but I have them firmly fixed with cable ties so get no movement. As pointed out just the Velcro strap probably won’t be too sturdy.

[@MikaTuukkanen]

@@petercamp6457 I noticed that the velcro strap for keeping pedals in place was quite useless for my G29 pedals. I eventually just took the velcro out and just used hockey tape to make the pedals truly stay in position. When I upgrade to Fanatecs, I am prepared to do the same.

[@niftygrower2745]

The moment he said “foot telepathy” is when I knew I needed to listen to him.

[@KarlGosling]

😆

[@scoobysnacks209]

What an excellent review

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate! :)

[@kelmo1989]

The throttle is too light on my current CSL pedals so I swapped it for the clutch pedal and it’s much better. Unfortunately, you can’t do this with the new CSL setup.

[@schullestulle3360]

Just put some washers/spacers next to the spring so its ,,preloaded,, this way you can setup both pedals how you like :)

[@girlnamedalice161]

Witch one to choose if i use a gt omega chair without wheels but actuelly stopers on it?

[@KarlGosling]

I much prefer the Fanatec pedals but the TM has a much lighter brake pedal which may be better suited to you.

[@girlnamedalice161]

@@KarlGosling Thank you

[@lincolnklayvr]

How much of of discount does your Fanatec link provide?

[@aynsleyjeansonne]

Curious if there are any upgrades for the CSL pedal clutch.

[@terrymcp]

I am very new to SIM racing and looking to build a rig. If I bought a Thrustmaster wheel could I use Fanatec pedals with it on a ps4 or ps5?

[@KarlGosling]

No I don't think so, PC only for mix and matching brands.

[@MrDazTroyer]

On the original csl pedals, they gave you extra rubbers to adjust the pedal firmness, up to 90kg. I bet they will sell them as an optional extra at some point.

[@KarlGosling]

A tuning kit wouldn't be unexpected, or even an aftermarket option.

[@andynorth1776]

So if I go to Fanatec's website, which model is it you have there? V1/V2/V3?

[@KarlGosling]

None mate, these are the CSL Pedals.

[@SimonCarson_Racing]

Another awesome video, your kitchen is awesome too

[@KarlGosling]

lol Thanks! :)

[@FormulaProg]

Honestly I prefer the CSL elites to both you need that customisation I think

[@KarlGosling]

Definitely no need to change to these if you already have the Elites.

[@alshi]

Hi Karl, really like the channel and have bought playseat challenge, f-gt lite, g920, csl dd and csl lc and gt omega titan all on your advice. The question I have is now that you have a relationship with Fanatec, can you ask them if there are any plans to work with Microsoft to improve compatibility between their products to include more than just controller buttons. This is the only disappointment I have with all the gear I've bought. Thanks for all the videos, great advice and I have agreed with 99% of your opinions.

[@KarlGosling]

That would be down to the individual game developers if they want to support additional functionality rather than Microsoft or Fanatec I think mate.

[@alshi]

@@KarlGosling The functionality exists in games as the g923 uses it successfully. There has been a lot written about this and after a lot of research it seems like logitech use a non-recommended (by microsoft) method to make this work but fanatec use the recommended method which doesn't support extra functions. I've asked Microsoft and Fanatec the same questions and they both blame the other meanwhile their customers don't really get as good an experience as they could. All I ask for christmas is for Fanatec and Microsoft to sort themselves out and fix this. Thanks again for all your great reviews and for replying so quickly.

[@emilianomontanari283]

can i use the Thrustmaster pedal and the fanatec dd pro simultaneously with the ps5 or only on pc?

[@KarlGosling]

Only PC as far as I know mate.

[@FinnD777]

Great video Karl!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks!

[@kevinblythe2192]

T-LCM's longer travel brake pedal leads to better sensitivity when trail braking?

[@KarlGosling]

Personal preference mate.

[@djdevontay]

The thing with the braking . People want to be able to hit 100%. If you have to push that hard to brake. How is that good for racing? If it’s soft. Like how most cars are. You want it. Why work harder for something that’s not really real and can’t be changed

[@KarlGosling]

You never want to hit 100% braking.

[@rover1374]

@@KarlGosling I’m very fresh to sim racing (1 week with a wheel) and I’m trying to understand the not hitting 100% threshold I keep seeing. Is it due to not wanting to lock up wheels with cars that don’t have ABS? I play GT7 on PS5 and just bought a cheap g29 and while there is no way to calibrate thresholds, it seems 100% is hit really easy. Some people complain about this pedal with the rubber insert thing being too hard to press but I seem to hit 100% really quick only after just compressing the rubber insert (so it feels anyway). I’ve also been using ABS so maybe it doesn’t matter so much? I have the GTeye brake spring coming and based on this I am thinking that leaving the rubber insert for this spring is best. It is probably much different with a different sim (I know GT7 is not a pure sim) or on PC. Thanks for the videos mate, have been working my way through them and as a newbie who doesn’t have 10k to build a rig, they are really helpful. Much appreciated! After one week I already want to upgrade EVERYTHING.

[@bobmcl2406]

Did I miss it, or did you mentioned the prices of each pedal set, with load cell but no other options? Thanks, I always enjoy your content.

[@rossimessi1]

Thrustmaster £180 Fanatec £200/220. Either can be used on a PC. but on a console it will have to attach to your wheel base, so has to be same manufacturer.

[@bobmcl2406]

@@rossimessi1 Thank you!

[@KarlGosling]

Sorry yes I didn't mention the price (TM varies massively depending where you look) other than to say they are similar.

[@davidcane7211]

@@rossimessi1 Just checking, does this mean the Fanatec Loadcell pedal set can connect direct to PC USB without the adapter if someone doesn't have a Fanatec Wheel Base? Altho I ask the question, I did just place an order for the pedals and a CSL DD an hour ago :D

[@mikelshwede]

Man I can’t wait to swap my T-LCM’s, bought them a year ago after watching some positive reviews (Barry’s swayed me), they are in my opinion truly awful, the brake pedal feels nothing like a brake pedal, all combos of springs just feel mushy and result in a weird hard stop when you bottom them out. I’ve modded them with a skateboard bushing which made the brake a little better but not much, loathed to spend $70AUD on a mod tbh, such a poor design choice by TM. Great video.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I'm not a fan either, the Fanatac ones are much better for only a little more money IMO.

[@Harmanpopefan]

@@KarlGosling Hi Karl! What do you think about these compared to the Fanatec Clubsport V3s? I’ve heard they’re pretty good especially with the damper and brake performance kit. What do you think about these pedals?

[@MrHerbs666]

The moment arm example you gave is misleading. You'd have to do a summation of forces. Other than that, the review is decent

[@KarlGosling]

It's irrelevant anyway, the pedals feel how they feel which is whats important.

[@MrHerbs666]

@@KarlGosling the pedal feel between both of them is better on the T-LCM. It's misleading. Not to mention you didn't talk about any of the calibration for either of them.

[@bayernsa]

I’ve gone from the csl pedals to heusinkveld sprints (used the csl pedals for 1.5 months) and i disagree about accelerator. The sprints use loadcell on there accelerator and they feel far more natural than csl compared to a real car. Now I completely understand real cars don’t use loadcell (as you mentioned they mostly use potentiometers or hall sensors), but I driven MG zs, Vauxhall corsa and vw polo, and the feeling of pressing the pedals is closer to sprints than csl. Now that might not be down to the detection method (sprint loadcell vs csl hall sensors), but maybe the non linear pedal pressure the loadcell gives in accelerator is just a more natural feeling than having no resistance like the csl pedals.

[@KarlGosling]

I can drive on average five to ten different cars a day at work and have done for about ten years, bottom line... All cars feel different mate, how you like your pedal to feel is up to you but from a realism point of view it's irrelevant as there's so many out there 🙂

[@bayernsa]

@@KarlGosling yes I agree on some points but having gone from csl pedals to heusinkveld sprints in the space of one and a half months, every single pedal feels like 3-4 times better (clutch feels 20x better). I got the sprints for £550 compared to the csl + loadcell for ~£200. I wished I had just gone for the sprints instead of wasting time and money on the csl lol. But in terms of the sprints you get what you pay for I guess. The clutch alone is a immersion hit haha. I play eurotruck sim a lot and having that 2 stage feeling of the sprint clutch just makes changing gears so nice. I think you have the v3s? I believe they have a similar clutch feel, but I just went sprints as if I’m spending ~£400 on v3s may aswell spend abit more and get the last pedals I’ll ever need 😅. Anyway great review. Look forward to your future vids.

[@aperturescience2]

what about the hall sensors?

[@KarlGosling]

What about them?

[@aperturescience2]

@@KarlGosling do they compare in regard to sensor type, I.e. potentiometers/Hall sensors?

[@KarlGosling]

@@aperturescience2 both hall.

[@greenicon7745]

Great review!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks!

[@writtenbyaxb2509]

Can the fanatec connect to t300?

[@KarlGosling]

No mate.

[@Corey27]

great video mate!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks a lot!

[@Enzel02]

What about the personalitation of the brake in the tlcm by replacing the springs by silicone parts having a lot more pressure at your disposable and which is not possible in the fanatec and never will be because is fixed You forgot to mention the 34 euros that cost the fanatec pedals cover And the much more reliable hall sensors instead of potenciometers present in the tlcm like in the much more expensive fanatec v3 Also you can use the tlcm without hard mounting by using the softest springs , that is a big bonus for a lot of people I use to like your videos alot, just wanna express my opinion

[@KarlGosling]

I don't talk about non out the box options. Fanatec is also replaceable (not that you would need to) they just pop out. I didn't mate, I said they are not standard and they come with plastic ones at least twice. Hall sensors vs pots is a moot point, they both will last far longer than anyone would need, just look at any old logitech pedal set still going strong today. You don't have to hard mount the CSL either, just turn the braking pressure down. Yeah thats cool mate thanks :)

[@rossimessi1]

I think the Csl are also hall sensor now.

[@marionelsonmedeiros3878]

@@rossimessi1 correct.

[@Werdiknight]

Interesting video... Learned a lot - until I saw the cat. These nice little cuties ALWAYS manage to steal my attention... 😁

[@KarlGosling]

They do! lol

[@4toes1nose]

Thank you

[@bobthebike7538]

Sim racing foot telepathy? Brilliant

[@bluej511]

I was looking at the fanatec to use with my Logitech wheel and realized they charged 12€ to ship the USB adapter. What a joke, i think I'll get the thrustmasters instead.

[@KarlGosling]

TM Charge a little more to ship their adapter... I've had to buy both over the years! 😭lol

[@Phelper99]

I think he talked about pedals, I just saw an epic kitchen.

[@KarlGosling]

lol

[@klelliott1984tm]

Hi Karl. Love the channel. Do you have a business or enquiries email address at all? Have some questions regarding a new setup I'm looking for. Need some advice off someone on the know👌

[@KarlGosling]

Just ask in the comments on any video mate, but just to note I only see the first comment and not any replies (there's just so many each day I cannot go back through them all checking for replies).

[@Bobbarker23455]

Yeah im going Fanatec, just seems like a better product.

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate.

[@kamamat530]

If you live outside US theres also other things to consider i think. Availability and shipping. Thrustmaster seems to be in stock always and many places to buy from. I went with Thrustmaster since already have their tsxw base and paid 165€ including shipping from Amazon

[@SupraSmart68]

So what you're saying Karl, is that some people have a footage fetish?

[@preslavnedyalkov5432]

niiiiice 4k res on the video.

[@2ndLastJedi]

Pun intended 1:50 🤣

[@KarlGosling]

Yup! lol

[@Matty.Hill_87]

One of us is saying fanatec wrong but I don't know who 🤔😂

[@KarlGosling]

I'll give you a clue... it's not me! ;) lol

[@Matty.Hill_87]

@@KarlGosling 😂😂

[@gregoryjohnson8724]

The thrustmaster would be much better if you do trailbraking, and looks like you would get much better feel with it as opposed to that fanatec

[@jirkadolezal8127]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@zombeepixel133]

"Foot"age haha!

[@johnnyhotsauce7334]

I indeed was born with the gift of foot telepathy. Please show FOOTage... also your left Nike needs new laces. Thank me later.