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[@user-yn5sk5ru5g]

I'm currently in the south of spain and spotted 1 BMW i4's in the Sierra Nevada, cool stuff.

[@pavel8754]

1000km gonna be interesting!

[@DG-uv3zw]

In first run, he can drive around 130km(margin), then stop for 40min for another ~100km. So he needs to stop in total of 8 times(maybe 7 but I doubt it...) It takes ~10h to cover 1.000km + (8 charges x 40min) = ~16 hours...

[@bjornnyland]

16 hours sounds way off. I expect it to be more around 13-14 hours.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@bjornnyland Just my noob estimation :D

[@CP-xj1km]

@@bjornnyland Please do! Now though can drive the old good route to Helsingborg (Ionity) and back. Should be interesting.

[@trondhaugland1208]

Would a 360 camera ruin the test, drag wise? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJyxaqOLbpiSasU

[@jovada]

We've just purchased the 2022 version of this car. I wouldn't call it a compliance car. It's a very, very decent EV! No roadtrip material off course. But in its segment... It's amazing.

[@ryanhunt896]

Great video as always pal been looking into getting one of these mini as my first ev cheers 🍻

[@peterdelage6759]

That is a real good surprise 😲, thank you for testing the Mini. The Mini Countryman electric should not be as efficient, would be nice to compare the results.

[@marjanbatic2913]

I hope you get soon your hands on I.D 3😁

[@geoemm]

ohh yeah

[@bjornnyland]

September

[@blabla5604]

@@haveaseatplease I've seen a review where it had that consumption at 130 kph. However I don't know much about the conditions (head/tail wind, altitude change between start and finish, etc.). I do agree with the interior, though. Especially that glossy black door handle made me cringe. My car doesnt need to be very clean, but piano black door handles is too much for me. But maybe they will change that soon.

[@bassbacke]

@@haveaseatplease Someone watched car manic. ;)

[@maxr6470]

Yeah it was the id 3 Car maniac video. And the Consumption wasnt bad! 20.5kWh/100km with 135Kmh on speedometer. think its equal to my Kona! the interior sucks, jep, im with u at this point.

[@torbenbrenden]

Did 176km with 22km to spare on the motorways south-east of Oslo yesterday with a 94Ah i3 (to and from Oslo). Kept it at 100-110km/h where permitted. Average landed at 151Wh/km for both directions. Seems to jive with the numbers from the Mini and the i3s. Where the i3 sits somewhere in between.

[@markusofficial9016]

I‘d love to see it compared to the e-up in summer.

[@josephfraser2190]

Great test video.

[@markmilligan6616]

May have to test a Mini vs Honda-e for my commute see how they do in my driving conditions, pleasantly surprised by the Mini 👍

[@abbaby555]

I'd love to see how this does in the winter ❄️

[@madrid01full]

It would be so cool to see a test over longer distance, Geilo test, 1000 km challenge or a roadtrip :)

[@iban6491]

I enjoyed your video, I like mini 👏👍

[@konradandreenordvik9829]

The green colour is awesome 🍏

[@mistermister2085]

Looks like an early 90s Ford Explorer.

[@konradandreenordvik9829]

@@mistermister2085 just nicer looking and bit smaller.

[@Pervypriest]

British racing green?

[@tymanot]

Thank you for the Video. I had the Mini for a day and really liked it. But without the modern assistant systems ( Not even Radar supported speed Control) it is not up to date. A bit too sporty for my age as well...

[@thespector8587]

That drive train must use wizardry to achieve those numbers.

[@quicksylverg9923]

@@jfolz Apparently BMW can but they dont want....

[@robertjusic9097]

@@jfolz it has a tiny battery doesnt it? No wonder it's only 40 kg heavier

[@martin5697]

They should have put their electric drive train into a 1series coupe or later a 2series coupe, they have done the ActiveE rental prototypes, but the battery needed to be split to make room for 4 people. That's maybe to expensive to make but it would be way more efficient driving faster than city speed. Also a coupe the size of the famous E36/E46 with rwd would have suited BMW a much better representative car of the future.

[@idrisddraig2]

Mini is small, ( park a mini and an I3 side by side, look from the front, I 3 is bigger) why would it not be efficient?

[@Reason077]

Is the Mini's drivetrain really identical to the i3? Or has it been updated with elements of the new "fifth-generation electric powertrain" that BMW has been banging on about? Or is this all down to the Mini's superior aerodynamics? (those ugly wheels must help!)

[@VolvoMetal]

The cd on the i3 is 0.29! That's ridiculously high for such a small, narrow car you'd think was built to be efficient.

[@idrisddraig2]

0.29 is for the shape, not the size. It's proportianal to the frontal area. A small call with a crappy CD can still be less resistant than a large car with a good CD because you are multiplying a smaller area.

[@bjornnyland]

Cd is pointless if you don't look at CdA.

[@anderspersson6134]

What a great day for Mini. More efficient than the Coreans, Tesla it almost beggars belief. Small nimble funky car practically made for electrification but BMW invested time and energy in i3. WOW. Thank you Mr Nyland for testing it👍👍

[@bjornnyland]

*Koreans

[@anderspersson6134]

@@bjornnyland Apologies Bjørn. There is something bittersweet with Mini's terrific result today. Back in 2008 the first Mini e was presented in LA. Lease only and soon forgotten. 12 years later here we are. With hindsight too much time has been wasted. Is Mini's future electric? Hell YES

[@SpikeXtreme]

Came for the review but stayed for the food

[@renefitz-giboon7733]

I know you've reviewed the E-208, have you plans on trying the E-2008 as well?

[@thrustsst]

Inspired by Bjørn and his testing procedure, I have done the same 120 km / h test on my Hyundai Ioniq 28. Constant 120 km/h GPS i.e. on Ioniq 125 km/h on cruise. The total distance was 50.9 km. Air temp. was 24° C and battery temp. at both start and end also 24° C. No A/C. The trip was done with a consumption of 14.6 kWh/100km. Return trip was 15.8 kWh/100km. The overall average was therefore 15.2 kWh/100km. It's a little better than what Bjørn achieved with Ioniq 28 - but I'm well satisfied.

[@DanielZajic]

That's amazing news! This could be a fantastic value in the US with the $7500 federal tax credit, and state credit in some places. These should sell like crazy.

[@Silencesontrack]

Incredibly good news ! I wouldn’t have expected that 👍 And did you make i3 in summer too ? Apparently BMW can make some improvements 😜

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

They really should have come out with this in 2017, this body style is way more popular than the i3.

[@utubeusername20008]

plz Do Zoe range test again since its summer now

[@Angusoksen]

Will you do a TB 90kmh and 120kmh range test of the Bmw I3/I3S 94ah to compare effiency?

[@pajamieshp]

when do you get driving mazda mx30?

[@Manicscitzo]

So they compromised on the aerodynamics of the i3 so it could look...like an i3??

[@colinmaynard2879]

Really should just be called MINIeeee Any adjustment to old measurements for new road surface?

[@georgewalker7061]

I have just ordered a MINI Cooper S Level 3 to get one of these while i can and before the new improved / fugly MINI comes out. I am used to pathetic range having had a 2020 Corsa electric for 3 year and with All Season and Winter tyres on time about. Not the ditch finder Michelin Primacy 4. Loved how the Corsa has been but it was 110 miles max cold / & 150 summer, not hypermiling, having fun. So 2 sets of discs because of rust and drop links replaced twice in 50,000 miles. To the MINI then. I am not needed to cover the same miles, EV charging is no longer cheap or free in most of Scotland and public charging is cheaper with a 55 mpg ICE. So i have specced the Cooper S murdered out in Black, and with the 16" black rims. That means 195/55 R 16 tyres and they will likely be run flats. That is instead of the 205/45 R 17 which are usually XL (reinforced) Same size as on the Corsa Electric and which i wrecked a few tyres on bad roads. Maybe i will get a little better efficiency on the 195/55 R 16, and be able to put on All Weathers when needs must. Not that economy / range is why i want one, it is just for the fan and because my driving career back in the 1970,s started with Hillman Imp,s and Mini,s. The first car i even really enjoyed when young was a Mini Clubman 1275 & the MINI electric brings back memories of than but fatter, but then i am also about 50% heavier than back then.

[@G0bus]

Did you publish the chargingspeed-comparison yet?

[@Kristianpont]

Low consumption might be related to low vehicle weight. Have you tried to test how consumption scales if you add extra weight to the car?

[@strikejre81]

Maybe you could test de Peugeot e 2008 SUV.

[@briandowling8372]

NICE! Just checked the local pricing here in Ireland and due to govt EV incentives the Cooper SE is €10K cheaper than a comparable Cooper S Auto Petrol. It's a pity they didn't put the bigger i3 battery in this though.

[@liamog]

That's probably the one thing I think they should of done differently, use the 120Ah cells instead of the 94Ah. It only added 25kg to the I3 and was the same physical size.

[@G8YTZ]

Is an i3 not a Mini with an i3 shell? The original Mini EV (2012 London Olympics) was the mule for the i3. Our i3 is now 5.5 year old and still an excellent car. The mini has a smaller frontal area, hence likely the reason improved motorway efficiency. Interesting that the weight penalty over an i3 is not so large. I wonder if they'll upgrade to the latest battery technology or skip a generation of batteries? One thing about the Mini is its the best but car in its class. My daughter's Mini ONE is a December 2014 (purchased new by me) and has been fault free and is very solidly built, no rattles and an ideal car for both city and motorway driving. Her first car was a Fiat 500 which was great for town, but not so good on the motorway, but a great first car as it had good visibility.

[@yasin040190]

Hey Bjørn, it's really interesting to watch you consumption videos. But what about the real consumption at the charger what you pay for. Did you compare it?

[@bjornnyland]

What do you mean? Price per km?

[@nathalav1967]

Does it have a battery management system cooling?

[@TCV1905]

it would be interesting to repeat the same route with the BMW I3 with more or less the same temperatures to compare its efficiency. The tests you had done on I3 were always in the winter and BMW is very sensitive to temperature differences.

[@OVarlamov]

Are you sure you can trust the board computer about the consumption numbers? Does it +- match the Ionity bills minus losses?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@kleincamper]

British Racing Green for the win!

[@GoncaloRijo]

At 90kp/h my i3 94ah has a consumption similar to that mini (or even lower). You should do the range test during summer on a i3.

[@bjornnyland]

Did you drive at 90 km/h according to GPS and not the speedometer? Did you start from A, drive to B and back to A?

[@GoncaloRijo]

@@bjornnyland only speedometer, cruise control at 90kph. From Leiria to Lisbon, in Portugal (around 170km), mainly highway. Consumption was 12.1kwh/100km and I did more than 200km on that single charge. 26ºc outside and almost no wind.

[@TheFl8sh]

loving your videos! only feel really sorry for your family, as you must be on the road A LOT! ;-) Anyhow, I wondered if you could recommend an app for the Mini to check the battery stats etc....would the app you used for the i3 maybe work?

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect assumption. I spend a lot of time at home. Remember that KZbin videos is my only job. I feel sorry for you because you have to spend 50 hours per week commuting and sitting at your office. Do you get my point? ;)

[@TheFl8sh]

@@bjornnyland completely! I just thought about those over-nighters in remote Norway locations... nevertheless I do agree that your job is much more interesting and satisfying than many of our usual desk jobs. Enjoy it and please do not stop making those videos!!

[@kardy12]

That’s a surprisingly efficient car - my own impression of having had petrol Minis isn’t that they’re particularly efficient.

[@tasha1982ify]

I drive the clubby S, with it’s 192 HP it’s more efficient that the 136hp. We want to switch to the SE

[@olavtrygvason9599]

This is completely Mexicoko!!😉

[@paulwatts2285]

Geilo test could be done on one charge? Close 230km plus 600m climb, might just get there in good weather?

[@bjornnyland]

Highly unlikely. It's 700 m up: 700 m * 9.81 m/s² * 1480 kg = 10.16 MJ = 2.8 kWh That will steal 10 % or about 23-24 km of range leaving about 210 km range left.

[@AnthonyWoodruffe]

I still think this car should be the clubman, maybe they could get a bit more KWh in it. Even a little more efficiency?

[@doublehh666]

I suspect that the perfect mild summer weather had something to do with the high efficiency numbers compared to Some of the competitors

[@Will-dq4vh]

Exactly. The comparisons with other cars are kind of interesting and fun but don’t really mean much given the wildly different conditions.

[@user-yn5sk5ru5g]

Very nice colour. Needs bronze wheels for a real british car look

[@gisobo]

Take this, Honda!

[@Kimbrough87]

can you do a city test

[@andreastattarisuo1034]

Mini drivetrain in a Honda-e would be a killer combo.

[@bjornnyland]

Exactly!

[@71kimg]

I wonder if how well a Tesla 3/Y without skateboard battery design would do - it add something like 7 cm of heights?

[@kaya051285]

The Tesla cells are 7cm high but the pack itself is closer to 9cm high so if they could design the car not as a skateboard but as a T layout (batteries in the central isle and under back seats) that would make the frontal area 9cm less which would be very significant The model 3 is 144cm tall and 14cm off the ground so the car itself is 130cm tall so if you can knock 9cm off that it would be a very significant reduction in frontal area. With 8% reduction in frontal area you would get 8% more range at high speeds The 4.25 miles per kWh at 70MPH should improve to about 4.6 miles per KWh at 70MPH or near 6.1 miles per KWh at 60MPH A 40KWh pack would allow 184 mile range @ 70MPH or 245 mile range @ 60MPH This could be a model 2 Basically a clone of the model 3 but 4 seat with the batteries between the seats and under the rear seats and 40KWh capacity. Smaller lighter more efficient 4 seat EV

[@MultiANTI]

Kia eniro what range at 120km/h

[@vickychi8362]

Hi, what are the chances to take the mini E to have a race with Honda E. pls 🙏

[@madrid01full]

Honda E would stand no chance, slow charging, less efficient and worse thermal BMS

[@FXavierDiazLuccini]

You are a genius: mexican o mexican’t 😂😂😂

[@johnair1]

norway or norstreet, german or gerwomen ...

[@FXavierDiazLuccini]

john air findland or findair and so on or so off

[@mgammeren]

If they only put in a bigger battery! For now it's a great car for many salemen/woman that drive aorund in cities here. Better this one than the petrol/diesel version of the Mini. It's still quite populair.

[@davidbarber3351]

Can it tow ?

[@mantabletin935]

Could you re-test i3 range with summer time? I know it´s price is nonsense and is quite bad at highway but, it could be a nice used car if efficiency is good and some crazy bmw lover takes the depreciation.

[@bjornnyland]

Yes. But unfortunately I will get access to 44 kWh i3s with wider tires.

[@mantabletin935]

That's ok. Efficiency could be comparable to 33kwh i3 Rex (more weight and wider rear tires) and my country still has shitty charge networks, so Rex is not bad idea for occasional travel. Thank you!

[@MarkusDieterle]

Bjørn Nyland That’s great. I think the i3s is a better comparison to the Mini SE as both have the additional sport mode and wider tires than the standard i3. It’s still a pretty amazing car and there are so many new electric cars coming out which have borrowed an idea or two from the i3 (and the Tesla’s ;) ).

[@pou23535]

Markus Dieterle .

[@pilotandthecity8527]

Björn, You can drive my 2019 BMW i3. As I wrote you before, I got totally different figures as you got with the winter test of the i3. My range at 90 kmh is around 300 km, and my total consumption since I have the car is 13,2. With a speed of 120, the range of my car is around 220 km. So a little different as you suggested in the video. Your previous i3 winter test with a i3s gives a very negative result for some reason. You’re invited to a retest. :)

[@000simps]

Just drove from Lillestrøm to Stavanger and had an average consumption of 12.3 kwh/100km with an bmw i3 120ah

[@commanderroddi7742]

looking for wh/mi results, didn't find those? help?

[@bjornnyland]

Check video description.

[@petearmstrong2778]

I'm confused ... looking on the mini.co.uk site they don't mention a Mini Cooper SE version, only specs for Mini Electric. Is the Cooper SE available in the UK or still to be released in the UK?

[@marckant3611]

It's the same

[@tuc-dh4df]

The thing with the MG EV is that its huge, 5 adults without any problems and a large boot!

[@EVAddicted]

Would have better reception if it was 40kWh at least and 100kW. I was tempted to get this one in 2 months instead of 2020 Bolt. Bolt is not as cool and fancy as MINI but has 259 miles EPA vs 110 miles EPA range. Just its a kind of more expensive city car.

[@renebergqvist599]

Just think about fitting a SR+ battery (50 kWh) system into this unit along with the Model 3 infotainment. Long range - fast charging, good UI and fun. Tesla could make a Tesla Mini or city car out of this.... or just be inspired to do so 😁

[@kaya051285]

Model 2 could be a near clone of model 3 But instead of skateboard design put 38KWh batteries under the rear seats This reduces the height by 9cm And reduces mass by about 200kg Reduce the width by 10cm Use half the power/mass/cost Electric motor and power electronics and reduce on board charger to 7.2KW Such a car would get ~200 mile range on 38KWh Sell for $28,000 Basically a slightly smaller lighter cheaper more efficient model 3

[@renebergqvist599]

@@kaya051285 I am more after getting Tesla performance in a smaller more nimble package - preferrably small hatchback. 200 miles is in the (too) low end - plenty of competition there - especially if performance is substandard as well. I could always buy a Kona instead or an id.3. But I want a Tesla experience in a small nimble but practical package not a cheap roadster.

[@DarcersTech]

I have the i3 and hope BMW sticks with trend for their upcoming EVs. Instead of stuffing them with a massive, heavy, expensive battery, design a more efficient car with a good charging curve and in practice you get a car which can still easily do longer journeys.

[@kaya051285]

@siliara The best of both worlds would be a small battery for the car but the ability to rent for a very affordable price a mobile battery for the few days you might need long range Batteries are heavy but don't take up much room it wouldn't be difficult to design a cheap 50KWh or even 100KWh mobile Battery pack which can be collected at the local supercharger to add 200/400 mile range A 50KWh mobile battery pack might cost just $10,000 to manufacture and it would be pretty small in volume. If it lasts 4,000 cycles it would have a cost of $2.50 per cycle so a company could rent them out for as little a $5 a day and still make a profit I'd rather have a 30KWh EV and rent a +50KWh mobile battery than to have a 50+ KWh pack The lighter mass means tires would last longer and the car would be more efficient and cheaper while still being able to rent for a very affordable $5 a day for the few days a year you might need the extra capacity

[@kaya051285]

@siliara Most people underestimate the part weight plays in cost Imagine a model 3 clone but 125 miles range rather than 250 mile range. This would reduce the weight by about 200kg or about 15% Reduce the weight by 15% and you can have a 15% smaller motor 15% smaller power electronics 15% smaller frame, 15% smaller suspension, 15% smaller crash beams, Smaller tires, smaller break pads, etc etc So you are not just saving on the battery cost and weight but also on the cost and weight of a lot of other things Right now EVs are for the upper end of the market but we really need the middle and lower end as most the sales especially in Europe are small affordable cars I don't see how a 250 mile range heavy car will be affordable. And by affordable I mean VW polo Ford Fiesta type affordable the sub £15,000 segment. To get to that price point we will probably need 125 mile range EVs with lighter packs and frame and motor and everything else

[@kaya051285]

@siliara The heavy mobile battery would only be used very infrequently. Over the last 10 years I would have used a mobile battery perhaps 5 times. So 5 days out of 3,650 days that means 99.9% of the days I would be fine with the onboard 125 mile range So it is a big efficiency gain to not have to lug around 200kg of extra batteries that you only need 0.1% of the time And I'm not suggesting all cars should have to be just 125 miles I'm saying the affordable end would be okay with 125 mile range (@70MPH. @60MPH range would be 155 miles)

[@DarcersTech]

@siliara Not necessarily. Cooling and BMS have a much bigger impact on long-term battery health. And what's the point of charging at higher power (kW), if the consumption is also higher, meaning you end up with the same amount of km of range added in a certain amount of time...

[@m.bouanane4455]

Not sure the Mini 28 kWh is more efficient than Kona 64 and Model S 97 kWh due the low weight of its battery. However it's for sure more efficient than Honda-e 27 and Ioniq 28 kWh.

[@AnalogueKid2112]

Give BMW some credit, I think they’ve up’d their game on efficiency in the last few years. Things aren’t standing still, and I’m really interested to see how the i4 will turn out.

[@ridgoro]

that brand new mini is going to smell like enchiladas

[@Mcwidowmaker]

I'm getting the same consumtion on my I3 125 - 130w/km

[@bjornnyland]

Doing the exact type of test I did? And also checking speed against GPS? And also start and end at the same time?

[@Mcwidowmaker]

@@bjornnyland Hi, yup, although not the high speed test. Daily driving also yields much the same if I don't touch the brake. Wish we had Tesla here in South Africa. I'd give my eye teeth for a model 3 Performance.

[@bonham1981]

That's my personal experience as well. And around 145 Wh/km when I'm driving sporty.

[@emreergen]

@@bjornnyland I was regularly getting 4.5mi/kw average(city/hwy) 138w/km with my 1st gen 2014 i3-22KW. It did not like cold weather (below 10C) though.

[@Will-dq4vh]

I get similar in my i3. I think you ought to re-test i3 if you can as your test was in severe winter conditions.

[@87tln]

How can it be so efficient🤔

[@ivand911]

Is it so efficient because it is light(with small battery)? Can't be exact powertrain as i3 because Mini is FWD , so some changes have been made. It would be exact if Mini was also RWD like i3. Bjorn , I can't find in you Car Range data the range test for your Model 3 in summer(for 90 and 120km/h)? For Model 3 you have only one summer test M3 SRP with 90km/h? Your M3 tests are mostly in winter. And also e-Soul 64 in you summer test perform much worse than Kona 64 in summer? For 90/120km/h it is 153/210 Wh/km to 127/189Wh/km. Is e-Soul so bad/thirsty or it is because of 10 degree difference in temperature? I wanted to compare with VW ID3 results, at average speed 119km/h - 205 Wh/km.

[@DG-uv3zw]

He didn`t test his MC hammer at 120 km/h in summer... Also, its now 2 years old, there have been improvements in efficiency and battery since then, so it can me misleading... And its a performance car lol. He didn`t test ioniq in summer too. Also, some other cars are in the meantime become more efficient like Kona etc... I`m only saying that because you can`t look at numbers and compare 100%! There could be slight variations in wind, traffic as you mentiond temperature... its just a benchmark of what to expect... Mini is very efficient if we compare it to direct competitors(honda-e, fiat 500e etc...)

[@ivand911]

@@DG-uv3zw I said about his car, because it is his car and he can test it any time. Or test some other M3 RWD if he can get one. Now he have only M3 SRP at 90km/h. In the summer. Mini is still 140 kg lighter than honda-e, different tires.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@ivand911 he did mention possibility of testing 120kmh with mc hammer on yesterday live stream...

[@G0bus]

I‘m totally curious in the charging will be better than the Honda e.

[@CP-xj1km]

In terms of charging Honda can match Mini only till 20% soc, afterwards Honda is charging slower and after 60% soc dramatically slower. No competition for Mini. Check fastned site and search for bmw i3 33kWh charging graph (Mini has the same batery) versus Bjørn's Honda e 1000 km challenge video (2:48).

[@G0bus]

C P But shouldn‘t the Honda e have a capability for 100 kW DC charging?

[@CP-xj1km]

Nice video! With this efficiency, quite ok charging speed (nice charging curve) and good price you shouldn't call it a "complaince car". It is better than that. It is surprising that at 120 km/h it has the same range as i3 with larger battery. It actually means it is better for longer trips as it charges faster (smaller battery) and charges cheaper (more km from kWh). And I bet it is more silent.

[@bjornnyland]

It's still a compliance car. Once you drive one, you'll understand.

[@bjornnyland]

And no, you can't compare this Mini summer test with i3 winter test.

[@CP-xj1km]

@@bjornnyland Ok, I didn't notice that i3 was tested in winter. Actually I fell better now as I own i3s. :-] Time to refresh the test so it is comparable. Again, thanks for a good test.

[@CP-xj1km]

@@bjornnyland This "compliance car" may be perfect for many families as the 2nd car. 40 km a day, to charge every 2nd or 3rd day. And in many markets the price is quite ok. I know the user interface is crappy, but it is not much different from the one in i3 or Mini Countryman phev (had that one too).

[@jerryonmalm2328]

The speedometer screen looks pretty awfully washed out... Can you see it if you have sunlight beaming from the side?

[@potatochobit]

it is matte finish looks perfectly fine all day but not on camera.

[@AlbertLamarque]

Do you honestly think that the mini was made by a different team than the i3? I mean.... The infotainment menu is exactly like the i3 pre face-lift. Down to the hidden menu even. I agree in terms of efficiency however. Most efficient car I tested so far. The looks and handling of the Honda combined with the efficiency of the mini would be the ultimate city runabout

[@bjornnyland]

Of course not. That was exactly what I was pointing out in this video. That it's basically an i3 in a Mini shell.

[@AlbertLamarque]

@@bjornnyland it is a shame that it does not retain the mini character then. Going fast on bad roads feels like every wheel going in a different direction. Feels more unstable than the Kona for example. But all the front wheel driven EVs seem to struggle with torque.

[@MrElmostudios]

Saw a Ford Mustang ev today

[@MrGonzonator]

That Trading 212 ad is showing its age, Tesla stock at $509.

[@OLiPRZ]

1. Battery is different. Only electric machine is the same as BMW i3s. 2. I think that i3 120Ah will beat this result in summer. Could you try that?

[@bjornnyland]

1. Is it? It's a 33 kWh battery. The same as in the "94 Ah i3".

[@OLiPRZ]

@@bjornnyland no. We are talking about totally different batteries. i3 posses cells from Samsung SDI, where MINI is supplied by CATL. Different gross capacity, heating/cooling and etc.

[@peteglass3496]

@@bjornnyland this is one time Przemek is correct. While similar, it's not the identical battery but by CATL. Here's a quote from Cleantechnica on July 10th, 2018 by Steve Hanley: "On July 9, German prime minister Angela Merkel and Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang met to sign an agreement that will bring a CATL battery factory to the east German city of Erfurt. CATL, which stands for Contemporary Amperex Technology Ltd, is China’s largest battery manufacturer. BMW has already signed up to buy over $1.7 billion worth of batteries from CATL to power its upcoming electric cars for the European market - the electric MINI and an upcoming four door electric limousine. BMW will also purchase batteries worth nearly $3 billion from CATL for the electric vehicles it produces in China." I visited the Cowley factory last year and they explained where they had to modify the 'body-in-white' of the Mini Cooper shell to fit the batteries. They are under the back seat and elsewhere, quite differently arranged to the i3 [I'm on my 2nd i3 now]. The EV goes on the same production line as 3 other Mini models, otherwise there's much of the i3 drivetrain in the Mini. I believe they could have stuck a big battery pack under the Mini Countryman and made that really useful!!

[@stefanjepp6612]

I am surprised by the efficiency of this car

[@alinmanolache5714]

Hey Bjorn,what about e-up efficienty.I think it beats them all!! :)

[@bjornnyland]

I don't think so.

[@babenkoff]

yes, with halogen lamps especially

[@cms1104]

At 90kph, maybe, but not at 120kph.

[@gisobo]

Still more efficient than the Honda. And a very nice car for its price.

[@alinmanolache5714]

I've made a 160km trip today and I got a 107wh/k consumptin with a speed between 90-110 kph

[@kasmopaya2676]

Bjørn Nyland i like your channel, but ------ nothing. (; Very good content, keep it up and stay healthy.

[@jackkuhlmann831]

This car is less efficient than our 2020 egolf. Dont know why Bjørns tests shows 149 WH on the egolf at 90 - when real world consumption is only 124 WH (1700 KM driven). How about a winter range ?

[@bjornnyland]

Did you drive at 90 km/h (GPS speed) to get 124 Wh/km?

[@asaha7547]

winter test? ~10% diff easily

[@JPetr94]

Jack, don't forget that 14.9 is measured at 0 degree, with winter tyres, more dense air and blasting heat pump, so there's no conflict with your summer number, looks very realistic.

[@jackkuhlmann831]

Bjørn Nyland No Mixed. Highway speed at 100-110 is 130-140 WH Summer range. Right now the car predicts 276 KM range at 90% SOC based on current consumption. We are testing commute route 62 KM this week. Mixed 60-80 KM/h and 50% highway speed. My prediction is 130 WH or lower. Real world range is Closer to 225 KM at 90% SOC and 255 KM at 100%. 32 KW/H net capacity. For comparison my M3 P with 20” is 190 WH avg. 14.000 KM You should consider to retest a new 2020 egolf summer range.

[@oysteinalsaker]

Unlike the i3, the mini is not a breadbox on wheels.

[@iwatchyouburn]

Please redo this test with the ioniq in summer, I'am pretty certain that he can do more or less 350 kmh

[@bjornnyland]

350 kmh?

[@iwatchyouburn]

@@bjornnyland oups i meant 350 km range not speed

[@Trades46]

230km for a 33 kWh battery (with 30 kWh usable)? Wow. In Canada, Mini is advertising 177km total driving range!

[@TANOCA17]

177 km is NEDC range vs 235 km WLTP I think.

[@SuperLenny34]

How is MjøsEN today? 😜

[@johndrawing1176]

16 inch with 55-tyres would be even better...also for comfort

[@Bigbore3]

I’d love to know the consumption data with 195/55R16 tyres!

[@72freson]

Hmmm...I think that when calculating how "Efficient" a car is you need to include the weight....the thing you talk about is what Milage the car has....I mean...a car A can have a "Better milage" than car B due to lower weight but still be less efficient....Or do I get it wrong?

[@bjornnyland]

Weight is irrelevant. What matters is what you can fit in the car. If two cars can seat 5 people and the exact same luggage, then it's irrelevant that one car weighs 1400 kg where the other one weighs 2000 kg.

[@72freson]

@@bjornnyland Well yes...but I guess we have different definitions on what drive chain efficiency mean...:)....to me it is how much energy is needed to move a fixed mass a certain distance... I mean, the actuall drivechain does not get less or more efficiant if it is moved from Car A to Car B(!).....when you say that the drive chain(!) becomes more efficiant when moved from the i3 to the Mini it rubs me the wrong way...:)....but it is true that the Mini has better milage than the i3 due to many reasons but the actuall efficiancy of the drive chains is (to me) not one of those parameters.....milage and drive chain efficiancy is not equivalent to me.........anyway...interesting video as usuall

[@liamog]

Indeed, the only real impact the weight of the car has is when calculating the power to weight ratio, which impacts the linear acceleration. For instance the Mini only has a 135kW motor, versus the 150kW motor of the Kona, but the car is 320kg lighter, therefore it's power to weight ratio is about 10% better than the Kona. Once each car has finished accelerating the heavier car has more momentum, so for steady driving it doesn't really take more energy to maintain the speed.

[@72freson]

Well...if you take Björns Tesla and fill it up to maximum capacity with people and Luggage, the amount of energy needed to go 100km will go up compared to if only Björn drives the car(The Cars milage will get worse)...but it is not the efficiancy of the drive chain that suddenly has changed(!)....the drive chain still use the same Wh/Kg(If we disregard internal electrical resistor difference)...the difference in spent energy is due to that the amount of kilos has increased.....my idea to try to "Noramlize" the efficiancy to include the wight is also not correct(!)...The cars drag coefficiant also need to be included to calculate the drive chains efficiancy

[@liamog]

@@72freson not really, the weight doesn't have as much impact on the rolling resistance as the other factors, it will slow the acceleration of the car though.

[@gacherumburu9958]

👍

[@capitaldomovel]

The mini belongs to the BMW group.

[@keithhamman755]

Went for e208 over the mini as panicked about range. Look at how inefficient it is I should of gone for the mini!

[@danisantos3255]

Would the range be enough?

[@mpc007]

I3 is inefficiënt due to being a large bulky tower shape, you pay big for this with hi speeds

[@Will-dq4vh]

i3 efficiency pretty much matches this Mini in like-for-like conditions up to 120km/h. Maybe there’s more of a difference beyond that, but I’ve seen no evidence yet.

[@harsh8426]

haha I live in Canada..it's approx 3:45 AM..I was about to sleep but I knew Bjorn may upload the range test .... 😅...BTW for the kind people who may worry about my sleep schedule... usually I sleep late because of work timings

[@theone132435]

Mjøsa...

[@Will-dq4vh]

Don’t really understand why the comparison was made to i3 when i3s test was done in Artic conditions. (Guys - go and watch the latest i3s videos to see what I mean). In my experience, i3 will pretty much match these numbers in good weather. You can see this for yourselves just by putting an A-B-A trip into ABRP with max speed set at 90km/h or 120km/h.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Bill - But the i3 costs more ($44,500 base price vs. $29,900 base price) than the Mini SE. You can buy a Tesla Model Y LR with almost 2x the range for the same price as a fully equipped BMW i3.

[@Will-dq4vh]

TraditionalAnglican Sorry, but this misses the point I’m making. I’m talking about energy consumption. In the video, Bjørn spends quite a lot of time comparing the efficiency to the i3 and saying how remarkable it is that the Mini is more efficient. I’m saying that, in the same conditions, the i3 is similarly efficient and Bjørn is therefore mistaken.

[@Will-dq4vh]

I estimate the current i3 could do approximately 280-290km in the 90km/h test, and about 210km in the 120km/h test.

[@bjornnyland]

I know that the i3 test was done in winter. Calm down, dude ;)

[@Will-dq4vh]

Bjørn Nyland I know you know, but maybe a lot of people watching this video didn’t know...

[@CoolSilver]

What is up with English brands being owned by foreign car makers? Mini, MG, Jaguar and Aston Martin for a while until Ford spun them back out. That bowl looks yum.

[@peterah7957]

Mad as a hatter!

[@112deeps]

Bjorn, i had to skip the food bit... Because i am on diet.... Please warn me next time 🤣😂🤣😂😂😉

[@bjornnyland]

Facepalm...

[@skibulwa]

This is a little bit dissapoitment that its have so small battery. Its efficient so with proper battery pack it could be nice car for longer trips.

[@kaya051285]

Lots of people don't need excess mileage and more batteries makes it heavier less efficient and more expensive I'm considering this for a return 95 mile trip daily could clock up 35,000 miles a year only question is how long will the car last I'm confident the motor and batteries can take 10 years but the rest???

[@coolaa]

Efficient but expensive! This car costs 321 000 NOK / 34 350 € without any tax!

[@bjornnyland]

Similar price as e-208, Honda e and Ioniq then.

[@FFVoyager]

In the UK it is quite reasonable, it starts at a bit under £25,000 (with all taxes). The VW/Seat/Skoda is around £18,000 - £20,000 though.....