GW KICKED Me Out of Warhammer World After I Messed Up

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00:00 Background
00:35 Setting Up My Painting Desk
1:41 Painting Lion 'El Johnson Begins
8:05 Traveling to the UK
11:22 The Big Story

[@EricsHobbyWorkshop]

This is almost exactly like when the Lion stopped Luther in the middle of Lunch and told him his NDA was terminated and he had to leave the crusade and go back to Caliban right away. Hmmmm … 🗡

[@justinavery8664]

Yup, Luthor was the loyalist .

[@patrickdillon500]

LUTHOR DID NOTHING WRONG

[@magnusmillerwilson]

LOL

[@judyhopps9380]

Caliban... Cali-BAN.... hol up!

[@pixelpeek9963]

Easily best comment of the day

[@Ninjon]

I think we all need to realize how difficult this video must have been to make. To say this was a stressful mess for Scott is a massive understatement. Fortunately, he's an amazing frickin' guy and will use this experience to fuel future amazing videos and creative endeavors. We love you Scott, and they can't kick THAT out of Warhammer World.

[@benytreeide568]

Scott and Jon, you guys have been inspiring to paint more, better and faster. The quality of your videos and sense of humor has kept me coming back for more. Keep it up. TUP-Life.

[@patrickdillon500]

You could hear the trepidation in his voice. I just wanna give him a big hug and tell him it's alright 😞

[@F0XRunner]

Having fallen on my face publicly a few times, I feel this, but its not the end! Pick yourself up, dust off and keep going. You will be stronger for it. Much love, we are all still here for you.

[@applesaucemouse6987]

Jon you nailed this. I can't imagine how stressful this must have been for Scott, and yes we do Love him always. TUP-Life for sure.

[@RobertSmith_Not_From_The_Cure]

Ninjon and Miniac, along with Squidmar, Lyla Mev, Zumikito and others have been foundational in my growing love for painting miniatures. This sort of "controversy" be damned, you guys all rock! Thank you for doing what you do, you folks are all amazing. Sorry you had to go through this Scott.

[@bulkbu6331]

From a hobbyist who works a corporate job: never act in affect, dont take things to heart and don't stress under fire. You don't *need* to do anything regarding GW now, just keep making your content and this incident won't have mattered in the long run. Your bad feeling will pass. Your mistake was trivial. People tend to forget quickly.

[@lordishimura5203]

GW will use you again when time comes you will dictate the terms don't let them man handle you to their will

[@Wraithnine]

Majorly OTT

[@notmenotme614]

Content creators are the best source of publicity and advertising for GW. After the way they treated him, if I was this guy I would turn my back on GW and I wouldn’t want anything to do with them again. “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”

[@richardjones7984]

Best to forget and forgive. Yammering on about it may cause hurt feelings and hurt feelings might cause a permanent ban. You made a mistake, you pay with the consequences. Take care.

[@kasperjuulhermansen7524]

I feel like it is always weird when you have to interact with companies whom you look up to or are interested in. Collaborating with a business should always be a transaction, it is give and take. However, when you have a company like GW, Blizzard or any other game studio, the transaction is always scewed, they expect you to give more for the chance of working with them even though they are the same as any other company, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Unless you have a personal relationship with a company then everything should be a transaction, otherwise you will be exploited and stepped on. There is a reason that the pay for working on games is soooo much lower than normal programming or adjacent jobs. It is because the people love the product, and they know it. Sometimes you've got to take the business suit on and think clearly. You shouldn't have to pay out of your own pocket for this event, the beneficiary here is clearly GW. This would never happen in regular business events. GW would have to pay for everything; labor, travel, lodging and exposure. That is how it is, you are basically a contractor with a following, you should be able to demand far higher pay than even a normal worker, that you weren't paid for this even is aggregious. Anyways, very well handled dude

[@WontonDestruction]

Fuckin amen brother!

[@judeblack4360]

Goes to show that you shouldn’t meet your heroes. Especially if those heroes make you sign a contract when you meet them that lets them stab you in the back and repossess the fancy model you made for them if you make an honest and relatively minor mistake. You should probably get new heroes at that point…

[@BlackMagicCraftOfficial]

If there is one thing I know about Scott it’s that its always been his dream to “leak” some boring looking space marine that looks like every other space marine ever made. Love you bud.

[@MagatsuNimura]

EXACTLY my thoughts. How the fuck a mistake showing some duplicate of the same marines we've been seeing the last 20 years can get this much punishment? It just shows how bad this guays handle some of the legal stuff, apart from how bad they handle some of their gaming stuff. I get that Scott might have seen this from other perspective, and even come to understand some of their actions, but from the outside, this feels insane. It is sad to see hoy overboard they went with this. Feels absurd to be honest. Anyways, much love Scott, sorry you had to go through that.

[@lI-tm2pn]

@@MagatsuNimura He signed an NDA and he broke the NDA lol.

[@trovarion]

This comment wins! Haha.

[@barlotardy]

What th--?!? Shouldn't you be mixing up a 50 gallon drum of black paint and Mod Podge?? GET BACK TO WORK!!!

[@Lord_Godd]

Seriously. My eyes are strained from the eye rolling caused by GW.

[@52Miniatures]

I had no idea. It just all sounds like a stressful mess. I'm sorry you had to go through the ordeal. Your new place is looking fine. So congratulations on that.

[@dustaone8521]

I read this in your voice, how do manage to do that?

[@52Miniatures]

@@dustaone8521 mind powers! don't tell anyone.

[@gottipnc2095]

Or Gw overreact and he’s right

[@BrokenAnvilMinis]

Yet again you have made a great video. Your grace and stalwart composure in dealing with such a difficult situation are a testament to your character. Everyone from BAM HQ sends their love, and can't wait to see your next videos!

[@robandrews4813]

Top man! That was really brave to sit down and air that out! You should be proud of yourself! Much love from across the pond

[@VinceVenturella]

Scott continues to be an exemplar of this hobby and of content creators. He is one of the most genuine people I have ever met and his love for this hobby has undoubtedly opened the door for thousands of hobbyists and unquestionably made GW considerale revenue. My sincere hope is that grace and humanity win out in the long run and GW lives up to the values it looks for in all of its own associates and the people it hires. Forgiveness should be given for such a minor infraction and we should all move on. One thing I am sure of is that Scott will continue to deliver amazing content that both inspires, entertains and delights those who watch. #JusticeforScott - get it trending.

[@VinceVenturella]

@@redscope897 I apprecaite your POV, and I certainly don't want to engage in an argument. I understand the business world just fine, I am not a professional KZbinr, I have a job and ironically that job very regularly deals with NDAs with the largest corporations in the world and working with legal departments for more than 20 years. Scott quite genuinely took responsibility for his actions and I admire his forthrightness. I am not questioning the actions on that day, but I am asking that in the long run, items are moved past. An NDA is a contract, it was violated, it has enforcement and penalty clauses - those can choose to be invoked or not. These are not words from god, they are contractual languages. Contract violations occur quite regularly in this world and the response to them can be varied based on the parties participating and their short and long term goals. Laws, rules, contracts and such are necessary for society, they are the order that keeps us all bound together as a people and things running relatively smoothly. We must also be aware that sometimes these things will be violated. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes by accident. Justice, and I chose that word carefully, must be metered with mercy. Just as in society we vary penalties for real crimes based on the circumstances, I am asking for only the same realization of treatment here. They have no obligation to do so and I am not claiming they do. I am merely asking, as we all have an ability to do, for mercy. Whether that should be given is at the behest of the company where fairness in action is one of their core 7 values and someting they place above all else in how they hire and conduct their business. I applaud GW for being so strong with it's values and putting them at the center of so much of what they do. I ask only them to extend that here in the long run. I do hope this clarifies the last sentence of my comment.

[@Miniac]

Thanks for the kind words, Vince. They truly mean a lot to me that you have that opinion of me and my channel

[@Jonathan-fo5jq]

@@redscope897 I’m a lawyer and I disagree with you. It’s usually, with few exceptions, a better business decision to maintain the relationship. GW had full discretion not to come down so hard on Scott. Also, the context of the breach matters: Scott made an honest mistake. Kicking him out of the venue and excising him from the event is not reasonable given the circumstances. I don’t think a good result was reached for anyone. GW reps made the wrong call here.

[@VinceVenturella]

@@redscope897 I take all discussions with grace and hopefully as they are intended. The medium of text on the internet is quite an imperfect method of communication. I am glad we are aligned in the same long term goal - to hope that GW eventually finds a way to mend fences and work with Scott again, he is an immensly fantastic amabassador for the hobby.

[@kylrapture]

@@redscope897 Tis a shame though, in their draconian reaction to a MISTAKE causes customers like me distrust the company even more and affect my future expenditure even more. They constantgly do things that paint them in a bad light, this no exception. Defending their behaviour is condoning their behaviour legal or not. Legal doesn't always mean the right thing is done.

[@ArtisOpus]

Props for putting this out, in this manner. Ultra-reasonable video, around a potentially inflammatory subject, respect for being a mega-ambassador, (and all-round nice dude!). Our industry can't have enough people in 'influencer' positions, approaching difficult subjects in this manner. Lovely to get to spend a little time with you, looking forward to any time we get to do it again, on whoever's soil

[@MsBlood01]

I want to see Artist Opus Miniac collaboration

[@MentoMoriMinis]

Props to you handling this with so much grace , dude.

[@johndrawing]

"JOB'S DONE." reference - Orc peons finished building something in Warcraft II

[@trovarion]

While they might have been in their legal rights I think they handled it extremely poorly. I am guessing they were annoyed by the malicious leaks that originated from the creator program and because they couldn't get to these people they made an example of you. I am sorry you had to go through this. Classy video and very sensible thoughts on the matter - and anyone that gets angry at you can suck it.

[@chrisporter8120]

What should GW have done? Not a trick question, just curious

[@trovarion]

@@chrisporter8120 idk bro, sounds like a trick question to me!

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

He messed up and they handled it fine.

[@jezzamatic]

@@chrisporter8120 not act like cunts?

[@EnigmaGameIn]

@@trovarion chris porter asked a simple and genuine question, why are you being pissy (angry)

[@MidwinterMinis]

Welcome to post-NDA club my dude. I love you, we love you, everything's going to be awesome. You're the best.

[@joebrackenborough1051]

Guy gets it he doesn’t care he has been GW free for a while. Some many other things out there.

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

@@joebrackenborough1051 yet he's been working on a Knight...

[@joshuaamodeo5032]

Lol all you do is exclusively cover GW products

[@L1nKo64]

I'm super surprised to see all these painting channels seem to think NDA's don't apply to them? You work with a company that asks you to work within NDAs, you stick to it. Like everyone else big, small, tiny and huge.

[@zacharyanderberg1852]

@@L1nKo64 He literally says in the video multiple times that he gets that GW can and should respond to situations like this. I think the disconnect is coming from the level of the response for a mistake made by an unpaid collaborator. And people keep throwing "leaks r srs bsns" around here but as someone who works in a department where we handle these product launches all the time, nobody in our department would consider terminating someone for accidentally posting content 48 hours early. Our immediate actions would have ended at having them take down the IG posts, and then we'd figure out how to better control that in the future.

[@famebearer539]

I'm very sorry you've been through all of that and can only imagine the stress level. And I'm very glad you made a video about that situation. Thank you for sharing and great content.

[@ArcadiusDA]

I can understand GW getting upset IF you had revealed something really game changing such as Angron in 40k. A different set of weapon choices though? I think giving you a stern talking to would suffice. It wasn't intentional. It's not going to harm GW or their plans. They're acting like they'll lose business which is insane. They really need to step down from their soap box and relax a little.

[@kidblue672]

Yeah, agree to an extent BUT I will say that developers tend to despise leaks of any kind because it makes their job messier. Still, kicked from the program entirely and booted from the event instantly is such a feelsbadman

[@elricdotah]

While he only showed the marines later on, he SAID that it was some space marines and "a big demon". He never mentions him later, but maybe that was the more important part?

[@joox7364]

@@elricdotah yeah, that sounds more likely to be what they were upset about. the fact that he barely mentioned it seems telling. also i dont really know how you 'accidentally' post something to the world when you were specifically asked not to. i get that he was filming, but everyone was filming and he was the only one who did this. it kinda seems like he didnt take the nda very seriously

[@Zumikito]

I would like to comment something smart about this, but have barely anything to say - I just agree with everything you say, especially with the point that you have been giving them exposure for all these years which MUST have resulted in some nice profits. This hobby is inherently a social one (not only the mini painting aspect, but especially the gaming one) so taking care of the community and the content creators just makes sense. Either way, hope you are doing well!

[@samhoban2509]

I heartily agree with this!

[@user-wg9kb3kd4y]

Yeah but the guys running gw aren't the same as the ones that were running it back then, these are corp assholes who only care about the bottom line and what's one creator who they know some day will come crawling back to them saying sorry. Seriously fuck gw

[@the_sigil4340]

Very true. Without great artists like you and Scott, I’d simply not be buying GW pricey little plastic dudes. I hope GW understands the value you represent for them

[@Miniac]

Thank you for the kind words, Simon!

[@lewispowell1681]

@3rksum in the 90s and early 200s they tended to credit the artists, that practice died when gw went public though. Damn shame what happened to scot and while i agree that gw can enforce their NDAs, i think it would be smart for them to leave the door open for scott to get back in when everything has died down, it was an honest mistake and I assume the damage was minimal, most leaks work to GWs favour anyway

[@GoobertownHobbies]

love ya, buddy!

[@mlys7184]

Creep

[@joehough838]

Scott, Mistakes happen and to be blunt to own up to them is extremely difficult, kudos to you on that. Just do what you do and we'll keep watching.

[@Hippiecult]

Dude, continue displaying all the badassery that can be displayed within the art of mini painting. Great video my man.

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

i am truly so sorry this happened to you Scott. it really breaks my heart. i know that you want nothing else than to entertain people and have fun along the way. This type of happening unfortunately scares me from wanting to go to a similar event in the future. travelling halfway across the world to help a company to do promotion for them... like this was 90% for them, not you - to only make a small mistake (which honestly is very likely i would have done as well as i can't tell the difference between the different weapon load outs) and get booted from their entire program for that is too much. they could have just turned it to their advantage if they actually cared to do some interesting guerilla marketing. look at how marvel solved it when "the hulk" streamed the first 10 minutes of endgame on Facebook. the fact that you couldn't even speak your mind without them controlling your content after - Is just another kick in the groin... and honestly one of the more worrying parts.

[@LazyGryffin]

Agree. But somehow the GW reaction is not surprising at all.

[@breakupgoogle4584]

The whole of the painter community needs to support Scott. You guys need to come together.

[@lopoa126]

Almost as if "employees" get fired for making mistakes. Welcome to the rest of world.

[@Junkuza]

@@skulver You say that like other people don't outsource. It's not disrespect man, it's keeping to a deadline. It'd be more disrespectful to turn up with a half painted figure, a bunch of excuses and the box set not even painted imo.

[@mrcaterpillow9926]

Well, the whole not being able to speak his mind after the fact is well... Understandable because of the legality issues with him admitting to the leak. Hell even just saying what he leaked specifically can be bad as people might have archives of the pictures or waybackmachine being able to be used to go back to get the pictures before they were suppose to be revealed. It is a crummy situation for both GW and Miniac. He also says in the video that he completely understands why GW had such a reaction towards him about these leaks he did not follow the rules which is very important when you want things to stay quiet, when you are not able to follow those confidentiality rules you will be kicked out. Kinda like a museum even if you are an artist that is being showcased if you cannot follow the establishments rules you will be asked to leave and probably hurt your reputation with them.

[@BroadswordWargaming]

Hey man, really well done with this one dude. It was a sad day and it left a black cloud after the day, which I think we all felt. I think you've shown some real class here and you were an absolute gent when we met you. It was one of the highlights of the whole thing, and I hope to meet up again sometime soon! Keep at it dude. 💪 we've got you.

[@alexfilmwriting]

I feel like like you got hosed on this one. Thanks for taking the time to document it. Given some time, I think you'll be remembered favorably on this incidence.

[@smoketinytom]

He lived a “Loose lips, Sink ships” and GW “lost a ship” because of it. How do they minimise further losses, accidental or deliberate, they ejected the source. That and it could also be a message on the ground to other creators not to follow the same action because he got off lightly.

[@Neckster72]

"Jobs done." Warcraft: Orcs & Humans

[@dacedebeer2697]

That Warcraft 2 voice work for the Orcs was some of the very best ever. Love the Ogres evolution too, still think "I'm not ready" in that voice.

[@jphanks]

I say grunt phrases often even still! Even last night haha

[@scranton8582]

Oh man your comment and the replies brought back some fun memories hahaha "He did it" "No he did it!"

[@nazarenocalva1814]

@@scranton8582 We're not brainless anymore

[@colinmacaoidh9583]

I always loved "You don't touch the OTHER elves like that!"

[@ciara7458]

Big respect for this video dude! Was an absolute pleasure to meet you and I hope we get a chance to meet again in better circumstances! Keep doing what you're doing 🥰

[@silvernome]

Had no idea this all went down, sorry you had to deal with it for this long. Thanks for sharing the info and hope it's cathartic for you and puts the issues behind. Keep up the great work!

[@pigspigs76]

I think the irony here is the fact u were painting a Dark Angel just prior.. no doubt you were experiencing the effects of traveling and not sleeping

[@onionknight3331]

I freaking love your honesty and bravery my dude. We see you, we hear you, we got you!

[@tony_ellis]

Mature, fair and entirely the kind of authentic content we all expect and love from you Scott - Keep up the excellent work brother

[@seriphim123]

You’re amazing. Thank you for helping me paint better and get into the hobby. Keep going, man.

[@statslikejazz]

Sorry you had to go through that! Big fan of your work and channel! You are such an inspiration for me to keep at the hobby.

[@NegativeLegend]

the fear of a lawsuit keeping you up at night is an awful feeling. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

[@Gloomshimmer]

especially as an american. Because here in germany you maybe get struck, but you wont have to pay millions of dollar.

[@Oblivion104]

@@Gloomshimmer Both GW and the event was/are based in London, that’s not in America, you know, that third world country, right? 8-)

[@alizzan]

I thought the same thing. I felt so bad for him because of the mental stress it must have incurred. Tough situation all around. I hope things get resolved and things can return to the way it should be

[@WayneCatlin]

@@Oblivion104 GW is based in Nottingham!! And if you've ever been to Nottingham, you'd think you were in a 3rd world country!! 🙈

[@Quicks1lvr]

@@Oblivion104 Funny how that 3rd world country saved London during WWII while also making sure they gave up their colonies 8-)

[@WatchItPaintIt]

Hey Scott - Mike here from WiPi - Ben and I also have an NDA with GW, so I understand how devastating it would be to do something by accident and violate it. (luckily we're such procrastinators that we're unlikely to post something early). My wife and I just watched your vid - both absolutely love your content and hope you keep your spirits up and keep producing your typical fantastic, entertaining and educational videos.

[@CJ-sh6gj]

Hell, switch to everything But GW models for awhile.

[@c1v1c2v2]

When discussing cooperation, we have to remember that when there is a power imbalance between the entities, coercion is not far away and my look awfully like cooperation at first.

[@johnchavarria8813]

Weirdly, I'm kinda glad that I first heard about this story from you in this video. Although I am following so many fellow hobbyist on KZbin, it might means that such drama is not always unavoidable. Or maybe I am following the right people ;) Anyways, this all sound like a stressful mess for you and I hope it will all turn out good for you and you can go back to normality as you said. Good luck mate. You're the one KZbinr that made me follow all the other GW/mini hobbyist, so keep it up!

[@Odin_All-Father]

Sucks to hear what happened. Honest mistakes happen. I agree the reaction and punishment feel a bit heavy handed, but props to you for being respectful, and props to them for continuing to communicate. Keep on doing you man. We'll keep watching.

[@Odin_All-Father]

Side note, fuck whatever 3rd party was out there courting/causing drama. Those are the worst kind of people. Also, with the challenges that both you and Jon had getting miniatures into and out of the country, I would have just packed that shit in my carryon. How have they not gotten your minis back to you yet? And the shittiest thing to me is them using peoples paint jobs and not even linking to their channels or social media accounts. That is kind of a scumbag move no matter how you want to look at it. Corporate scumbaggery of the highest order.

[@ElNick09]

Damn, I'm really sorry to hear that. Everyone makes mistakes you know. Hopefully this passes quickly. Love the channel man, your videos were the first thing that I watched that got me interested in painting a few years back, and since then its been a really amazing emotional and creative outlet for me, so I owe you buddy. Keep your chin up, what you do is valuable, and wonderful. Looking forward to the next video bud.

[@mcdonaldmatthew41]

Hey man mistakes happen, your an awesome hobbyist, seem like a super chill dude. Gw has always been lead handed in their reactions to everything. All you can do is move on and do you. Nothing says you even have to do any games workshop stuff. You could pick up nearly any game and I'd still watch your content! Keep it up man.

[@Gravehaven007]

MAN! This story really bummed me out. I’ve been MIA for a bit due to life stuff, and didn’t realize this had happened at all. BRO you’re so genuine and amazing that despite being downed, you’re still rising above it all in the best way. I’ve been meaning to buy some shit for awhile; so I feel there’s no better time. Wood Elves and Merch HERE. I. COME.

[@emmaplaysgreen2849]

Scott, as someone old enough to be your mum - if I were your mum, I would be incredibly proud of you right now for how you are handling this! I wanted to reach through the screen and give you a big hug. It would have been easy to get angry, to double down, to rage online about how you've been treated with such a heavy hand. But no, you've taken it all on the chin and thought through why GW have acted in the way that they did. I agree with you - from a legal standpoint, sadly, coming from the wider craft/creative world, IP issues have to be dealt with quickly and thoroughly with no exceptions made for accidental mistakes or lapses due to ignorance of the law on the part of very small home crafters/creators. If anyone thinks GW handle things with a heavy hand, for example, then they don't want to mess with Disney's IP! I'm also someone with ADHD and co-morbid rejection sensitivity dysphoria. I know exactly how it feels to have messed up a very good thing within your professional and social community and that barrage of shame and regret and all the other negative, hurtful feelings that descend over you. The ruminating as you replay how you f**ked up and how you could have done things differently, torturing yourself. It's a hard cycle to break. Trying to overcome those feelings while others are actively working to incite a rumour campaign against you is a very tough thing to do indeed. You have come out of this extremely well, with such a mature attitude and a sense of learning from your mistake and moving forward in a positive direction. That is visible to even an occasional viewer such as me and should be applauded. I hope that GW are also able to recognise that going forward.

[@bigdenopaints]

Hey mate, cheers for the video. I was oblivious to the controversy as I don't really follow GW stuff at all. I watch your content because I like you as a human and fuck me if this doesn't just make me like you even more. Accountability is something I respect and admire. Cheers

[@Miniac]

You continue to be awesome as ever, Trent!

[@daemonicamarine666]

Sorry to hear that happened. It really sucks. I really love your work and look forward to your future content

[@DuhRake]

Excited to see what you paint now that you are free to paint anything you choose!

[@davidmckay335]

You were the first painting channel that gradually pulled my hand into the mangle of getting back into painting after 22 years. You are a great creator and this video shows what a decent thoughtful chap you are. What happened massively sucks, but hopefully your response to it means a line can be drawn and a fresh start made with GW.

[@BEdmonson85]

Fresh start with GW? Really? If they pull this kind of crap with me, I'd never even consider working with them again.

[@PeterPottorff]

tbh, your response to the incident is admirable. It would be easy to either entirely self flagellate or to paint yourself entirely as the victim and you didn't do either, so props to you man.

[@alextaylor2551]

This. +1. Props for humility and professionalism.

[@henriksparre4302]

*hugs you and glare disapprovingly at GW while shaking my head*

[@arrosconpollo1]

I’m so sorry about these circumstances. Life if full of challenges and handling them as you are doing with grace and humility will work for the good in your life. Hang in there and keep being uniquely you.

[@thefreik]

You’re not in the center of massive drama, I think you handle the drama really well and walked out of it just fine. If there’s still drama happening after this then you’re not in it. Sounds like a pretty horrible experience, hope you’re doing ok ♥️

[@Velcraft]

Big ups for sharing - this definitely sounds like something most content creators would just brush under the rug and never talk about again. Also really fitting that the Dark Angels representative is now "fallen" out of GW's grace :D so I'd take this as just playing your part perfectly!

[@AllThingsAction]

I've never seen one of your videos before, but I feel your pain. When I was younger I made a mistake with a business owner and had ties cut. It really sucked at the time, but what is most important is to continue to do what you love. The pain will pass in time, the best thing you can do is move onto your next endeavor, and do not compare it to this one.

[@jameshogg601]

This is gutting. Sorry to hear about the sad situation. Love the content you make and I seems to of been very heavy handed for a genuine mistake.

[@TheFightQueen]

Although you may of made an honest mistake, the way GW has handled this situation is emblematic of the companies heavy handed approach as a whole. Their treatment of fans and content creators is part of what led me towards buying miniatures from more artisan companies who produce high quality products without resorting to typical corporate tactics, bad treatment of consumers and nickel and dimming their customers all for the sake of profit. I hope to see more folk make this decision as it benefits the hobby as a whole to have more active companies in the industry.

[@ModernSynthesist]

Thanks for sharing this, man. This feels like a very honest commentary on they whole thing, with you owning what you should own, but also not pulling punches.

[@rickysrealmofcolour]

Damn man that's so rough. Hopefully things are better now and you can rebuild the relationship with GW and hopefully they'll give you another chance in the future.

[@michaciemniewski9791]

I wish more content creators were doing MORE non-GW related stuff... YT floods suggested lists with all those artificial hype over every new release. I get it. GW is the only corporation in the hobby and they do what they want. They literally buy creators for pennies to dominate TY... But I really hope we get more creators like OTT. Wargaming is not equivalent to Games workshop.

[@YanniCooper]

I think to some extent it's also the youtube algorithm at fault... GW content is popular, channels that do some GW content will see significantly more views on such than on their non gw content. There are a ton of other great content creators out there though who do little or no GW content. Look up Beyond Crafterdome for a half dozen channels that at least touch on many of the aspects of the hobby we are watch for. It's one of my favorite youtube collabs.

[@DB-zp9un]

A number of creators have been talking about this exact thing.. And if they want to get views to make money, they pretty much have to reference GW... Even if it's almost a 'click bait' so it still pops up but is for non GW stuff.. Only thing we can do as users is actively try to find them and not depend on YT to suggest them..

[@craigjones7343]

As a causal viewer of your channel and hearing odd snippets here and there about what happened I was genuinely curious what had happened. It was good that you took your time before releasing any sort of public statement, to let the dust settle and collect your thought. You took ownership of your mistake, acknowledged the ramifications of your mistake and expressed a genuine apology to GW, your fans and other creators. You have definitely gained respect from me, a random dude on the internet. I truly hope this does not have a negative impact on your business. 👍

[@euansmith3699]

The respect of random dudes on the internet is the truest form of respect

[@shortti789]

Well said

[@basileerla]

That must have been really stressful. The "kicking out" makes sense, somewhat. Erasing your material from their event not so much honestly.

[@SOTMead]

So now we know where the general Imperium theme of "Taking everything too far" comes from.

[@basileerla]

@@SOTMead reminds of the damnatio memoriae ancient Romans did. But that's for traitors of the state ffs , hardly comparable to an accidental violation of an agreement between two privates 😅

[@petemalysewich6845]

@@basileerla well, without getting into the nitty gritty of the NDA, who knows what the conditions were if they were broken. It’s heavy handed for sure but GW as a business needs to protect and enforce its IP and rules. If anything, it’s a learning experience for Scott, gets a little slap on the wrist, makes nice nice with his rep and he’s back to painting and sharing his work

[@hughwoodford]

@@petemalysewich6845 bro they utterly humiliated him.

[@petemalysewich6845]

@@hughwoodford but allowed him to post this video after working it out with them? Which part of “businesses have rights protecting their IP and properties” don’t you agree with? Are you in favor of that but not in the way GW handled this? He’s not being taken court or sued by GW

[@roybuntyn7292]

People make mistakes, I can see your frustration over this matter. You are a great painter and artist. I received a recommendation by GW many years ago and because I was serving in the U.S. Military, I could not follow the dream like you have. Please do not give up or stop painting and doing videos. You have been honest with everyone all the way through this experience. I know I will continue to watch and follow your work and your videos no matter what comes out of all of this.

[@noshadow666]

I hope it doesn't affect future work for you dude, not just for your sake, but it'll also be a big hit to the community and to gw themselves. I know many in the game who've been inspired by your work dude, you taught me loads myself when i was starting out in painting, you even got me into airbushing and using Vallejo paints which I'd never really considered. All the best to you bro 👍

[@HellstormWargaming]

Keep your head up dude. We all do dumb stuff from time to time, myself included. Was great to meet you, albeit very briefly. Hope to cross paths again in the future.

[@Miscast]

@14:19 I'm happy you were allowed to disclose that. Everything else is mega lame. GW needs you more than you need them but you work great together so I hope you work things out.

[@MillywiggZ]

The heretics must burn. He’s shadow-banned me so can’t see this anyway. But he was aware of the rules and they had to make an example. The sub-commissioning of that box of space marines might have added to their decision if they knew about that, well they do now. I agree with you though it was heavy handed but companies will never be loyal to customers, as a customer you always have to treat a large company as the mob. You pay them often but that doesn’t mean they owe you any kind of protection even though they say you’re loyal.

[@banhammer7243]

"GW needs you more than you need them!" uh huh sure

[@LightsLuck-]

Yeah a company that had nearly $200m profit in one year doesn't need one content creator. Everything I've heard about GW makes me think they are a shitty company, but they are nowhere near desperation.

[@joshbracken5450]

@@banhammer7243 GW do. They haven't had a great time lately. Making too many mistakes, losing money, crazy nda contracts, etc. With the boom in 3d printing you could easily avoid GW models.

[@iindre00]

@@joshbracken5450 GW? Losing money? XD

[@jonathanowen9917]

Man that sucks! I totally get why GW took a strong stance on leaking, but not showing your work seems off the mark. Hopefully they will publish your primarch in the article and allow you to work with them at future events.

[@danielancona5293]

I don't comment enough on videos made by awesome content creators videos. I'm sorry that this happened to you. You're an amazing person and have helped me think about and learn how to paint/hobby. I hope the stress level goes down. Looking forward to more content after you decompress and destress. Thank you.

[@asmotin8088]

Major props for owning up to your mistake, and also acknowledging that the emotions are still real. That's some serious thought behind that, it's obvious you really reflected on the whole thing. Hope it gets better from now on.

[@FurySevenSix]

Kudos to you for owning your mistake and being so upfront about it, hopefully GW realise it wasn't malicious and welcome you back soon

[@DamienTheCat]

It's ridiculous to villanize this guy in any way lol, glad GWs stock is crashing.

[@chrisjones7300]

I am so sorry you went through that dude. Take it easy and know all this is temporary. Also? Fair play to you for being so honest.

[@MiniatureMarauder]

You're awesome man. I'm not a super big Warhammer guy, despite, you know---having thousands of dollars of Warhammer minis---but that's beside the point---I get their desire to keep things under wraps until official release. But sometimes these accidents happen. Don't beat yourself up over it. You do good work, you always seem to operate with integrity and genuine joy in what you do without any malicious intent. Head up my guy, keep doing you and don't stress it!

[@lankira]

I was a volunteer rep and TO for another minis company for about 7 years. In that time, I made my share of mistakes (one big one, and a lot of little ones). But for each one, I apologized, did what I was asked to rectify it, then worked to make sure it didn't happen again. It never stopped sucking when I made a mistake, but I learned from them. It sounds like you've more than learned from this and that you are taking this to heart. I'm sorry you're going through this, and respect your honesty and vulnerability with your audience in this.

[@5p3cu10]

I think the GW thing is unfortunate but it happened. I think the best thing is that you both work together to repair the relationship and get back to a status quo. Much love man!

[@omagadpourquoi3940]

that wasn't and will never be a statue quo, they control people who make them accessible and visible, with sanctions and punishment. That's not fair at all, not showing the model is like revenge, they could just not type his name under the picture, Miniac fellows could recognize it, but he'd lost the visibility, that could be fair to me.

[@vitaliyred622]

GW and content creators is a disgusting relationship. There is no company other than EA and Blizzard who treats their fans as shit.

[@skimnsurf72]

That'd require GW to make an effort...

[@rallyfeind]

@@skimnsurf72 They spend effort moving the bags of money...

[@Nekorook]

That situation sucks. I’m sorry that it happened.

[@thomasgross8289]

How GW overreacted to this situation just adds to the extensive list of why I quit giving them my money.

[@BruderSenf]

huzzah for 3d printer

[@gr0mit948]

If i could find a consistant range of models i'd do the same but i do love the paints and my local store manager is a fucking legend.

[@ERhymesD]

@@gr0mit948 Ghamak has both 40K and AoS proxies which are fantastic

[@alexsp7086]

same i moved to bolt action

[@mrbit3400]

I'm sorry this has been such a painful experience for you however everyone should take this as a lesson: Corporations are not your friends, they do not care about you. Even in 'fun' industries, often times especially in those industries, they do not care about you beyond what you can do for them. Never make the mistake of thinking you have a 'good' relationship with a company. You can have relationships with people, you cannot have them with companies. Corporations care about if you're useful or how much money they can get from you or your work and that's it. Never forget it and always read your contract. Oh, and don't trust what GW tells you about the law. Their opinions and those of their lawyers are designed to benefit Games Workshop, not to be neutral statements of law or even fact. If Games Workshop is still hassling you or attempting to control how you talk about this then you should get a lawyer to look over what you signed. If anyone were to ever actually threaten legal action the only correct course is to cut off all contact and talk to a lawyer representing your own interests. Just a heads up because it sounds like what you've done, and continue to do, is defer to what Games Workshop thinks on the matter and that's just not how this works. I understand if it's easier but you should know they have no obligation to be honest with you.

[@BrailleScale]

Couldn't have said it better. GW as a company really does sound soulless. Good people working for them at the grunt levels I'm sure. No doubt getting paid little and bled dry...

[@blackhand2099]

If anyone comes to this video and reads only ONE comment, I hope this is the comment they read.

[@colbyjames7365]

This, 1000%.

[@thedruski85]

"You should get a lawyer to look over what you signed." This is the absolute worst advice. As a professional in the miniature business, which content creators absolutely are, he should have had a lawyer read his contract before he signed it. Anyone who signs a contract without having it reviewed and knowing what you're getting into deserves exactly what they get. Contracts are meant to protect the people presenting it, and signing anything designed to benefit "the other guy" without a thorough review is foolish at best.

[@BrailleScale]

@@thedruski85 haha wow such hindsight. Good for you. As the past is unchangeable, and as he is still operating off of the good faith assumption that GW is in the right in everything they continue to do and continue to force him to do, it is certainly worth having a lawyer review the NDA and the contract now (since he can't go back in time) to see what, if any, control GW still has over him now that they've essentially nullified the contract with him. But I'm sure GW will send you a few boxes of Space Marines to thank you for your service to their cause 🙄🙄🙄

I my eyes, you handled this issue very maturely in this video. Taking responsibility and showing your disappoinment at the same time in the right amounts.

[@mrdarlok]

Bummer dude, sorry that you had to go through this. I certainly feel for you and appreciate your video and your being proactive in your video, rather than being reactive, very mature.

[@tomblack2064]

I feel your pain. I'm so sorry this happened. Hopefully the next GW event they'll invite you back and all will be well again 💪😁

[@TheTabletopAlliance]

Man this sucks! Sounds like an honest mistake. Really hope this doesn't have any negative affect on your channel! Either from GW or general viewers. Keep up the great work bud 👏

[@clinch4402]

If dropping your kid face first onto a stove is also an honest mistake, then sure. It's still really, really stupid. Imagine signing an NDA for an exclusive event to not leak any information until a disclosed date but you just can't stop spamming your socials to show off your experience. Miniac didn't take a genuine business venture seriously, got burned. Seeing people constantly refer to it as an honest mistake is quite the bizarre backpat. The terms were crystal clear, easy to follow.

[@samcooke343]

@@clinch4402 Well it was an honest mistake, but also a stupid one. They're not mutually exclusive. He obviously didn't mean to post the wrong models but should have been more careful.

[@clinch4402]

@@samcooke343 Did I say that they were mutually exclusive? No. I suggested that there are lessons to be learned here instead of hand-waving it away as the sort of mistake anybody who signs an NDA could make. And GW should have known better than to invite someone who blatantly didn't care for their product - something Miniac crudely dismisses within this video.

[@tristanellis-mascoll1171]

Thank you for clearing up the information on this matter. I appreciate your honesty, and also admire your courage to face your penalty head on. As for a wish for the future: Dont change anything! Your channel is more than just one NDA. You are one of the few that stands above all this drama, and I like it. Now I have to wait for the great promo video tour through Miniac Mansion.

[@cartercluck7228]

Your work speaks for itself. You're awesome for your artwork, your loved for the promotion of this awesome hobby of painting and creation. admitted to your mistake and moving on. Your response is very respectable. Keep creating, keep promoting, keep up the paint scheme/tactics teachings!

[@panhandle99]

Ridiculous that you'd be taking photos and posting to social media in the first place when you've been told explicitly not to.

[@weeeman819]

Except they were allowed to? You just couldn't release anything until the 48 hours was up

[@obrans4451]

Exactly, so why did he post it on social media?

[@sushimandaddi]

Thank you for finally addressing things Scott, good on you. All the best for the future

[@AuramiteEX]

Sad to hear how things turned out. Mistakes happen, but hopefully in time things can be repaired.

[@dust2891]

Hey, it sucks to see you stressed out like this, and honestly the whole experience seems like a very tough time. Keep your head up, man.

[@bazotter]

I remember when GW shop was fun. I am an old man now, as old as when GW was born...I went into the new 'warhammer' shop last week. Sterile. no fun. nothing of note. no modelling bits and pieces...Support your local games shop! Keep the love alive.

[@dc345601]

Man, this video felt like a punch in the gut to watch, I can’t even imagine what it was like to live it. I’m sorry that everything thing went sideways and ultimately resulted in a lot of stress in an already stressful travel situation. I’m glad you made it through it and now have a kickass looking set! From a content standpoint though, this made for a much more gripping story that started with Space Marines than I would have expected. We all love you Scott! I can’t wait for the next video.

[@mayordenis]

The Warcraft Peon building reference gives you the moral high ground here, comfortably. Glad to see so many of the big names in this area commenting support, for what it's worth, I don't believe really any business needs to be this 'line in the sand' about such a rule. I do understand the economic argument, and that they are extremely protective but they've probably just about drummed up an economic loss on this one. I would suggest the trade-off of goodwill against the minor leak is a net loss for GW.

[@Hopekuma]

I know I was waiting to see all my favorite creators at this event. I was even starting to budget for a possible starter box, with an extra tank. But now? Nope, if they're going to treat Scott this harshly for a mistake he corrected, and not even credit the the other creators for their work? I'll be keeping my $500 for other things now.

[@davidmoffitt981]

Exactly, I'd have bought the set had they not been so draconian about it, but no WAY now after treating Scott like that. I care about people more than companies and products, I'd rather paint models from another set of IP than support that kind of attitude :(

[@codykrueger796]

Reference is the ork worker from Warcraft 3 I believe... "WORK KOMPLETE" lol

[@eduardorodriguezcorrea7386]

Hey man I’m very new to this miniature painting thing so missed a bit of the issue there. But just wanted to say that your videos are great and very explanatory, I’ve been finding them reall helpful. Hope this message helps! Keep it going!

[@themobius8077]

What are you painting?

[@KnarbMakes]

Damn dude. Sorry that happened to you and the best thing is just to move on and keep making awesome stuff. Comanies are hard to deal with as individuals, they dont play by the same social rules and can feel quite faceless, even if they have plenty of awesome and empathic people working there.

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

"Happened to" him. He messed up!

[@CrazyAuron1]

@@odeegrotsniffer4166 And he took ownership of that mistake and said the initial punishment was valid. Everything else surrounding that kinda sucked, so yeah, it sucks it happened as a result of an honest mistake.

[@jeremygriffin620]

@@odeegrotsniffer4166 I've seen a couple of times in the chat where you are clearly pulling for the big guy here, and that's fine, but put yourself in the youtuber's shoes with some empathy for a moment and realize this is mortifying and a fundamentally big blow to a guy who's actively put a lot of bucks in Geedubs coffers. It did "happen" to him, and its embarrassing and kind of heavy handed for something that was an obvious mistake. TLDR: Consider balancing empathy with your big-fandom.

[@fukhewdik]

Everyone can make mistakes. You still have one of the top KZbin channels I come to for cool mini painting content. I hope GW can step back after the dust settles and see it was just an honest error and also see the value that you can bring to the hobby and to them by including you in future events.

[@nienienie7567]

> doesn't have time >proceeds to clean and videoshoot everything instead of mount a camera on a broom stick and paint the model with fingers to make it in time yeah i see the problem but jokes aside i can see how GW's reaction hit ya emotionally so i'm sending hugs and kisses

[@disposable157]

This was legit a really even handed video and I'm genuinely impressed with you making it. Sorry about how rough this is

[@bombarded15]

It's clickbait cringe to get attention

[@inwit594]

@@bombarded15 Ignored lmao

[@mycelium_veins7741]

Warcraft references for the win. Your handling of this situation is legit well done though. Respect. I am glad to now be a patron of you.

[@minipaintinjohn4490]

Scott, good on you for making this video. You handled yourself very well. Must have been very hard to make. Just wanted to say I'm sorry for how much the situation must hurt. Hang in there bro. Love your work and love you, man!

[@br42]

Dude, that really sucks. I'm sorry that you had to through that.

[@burrowsforge3538]

Things like this, when juggling content creation under NDAs happen all the time. I got so paranoid with a couple events I participated in that I’d run each public/social media post through my rep. While sometimes it can be frustrating when they didn’t like a little thing here or there (often I wasn’t looking for critique, just a yes or no) I always had some sort of approval to fall back on. You handled this situation very well from what I can see; managing to get your feelings across while remaining professional. I think anyone would see you as a good bet and a great partner for their brand. Mistakes happen. This was a good learning experience for all of us, thanks for sharing.

[@carlstanford7607]

For those appalled by Miniacs treatment, consider buying his merchandise. He has some pretty awesome stuff and I’ll be picking up something to support him. Good luck buddy

[@brianeno608]

Great idea! :)

[@samsowden]

And conspicuously wear it at warhammer world.

[@PhilippStarsky]

Mistakes happen, you were cooperative and honest about it and GW definitely handled it a bit heavy handed. But all in all this shouldn't be big drama for the community or other content creators. Love ya bud, keep on keeping on!

[@williammcdowell3718]

"I feel Discarded by GW" Welcome to the club.

[@bryantherocker]

Johnson is an English patronymic name meaning "son of John (gift of God)