Double Dealing Character is Broken

So the other day I was browsing YT as usual and stumbled upon this neat video by Heeew which showcases a lot of bugs and such of SSBM: • Melee is Broken
While I'm not too big into smash myself, I thought it'd be cool to make a Touhou version of this video! (I'm assuming he doesn't mind if I use the format. If it's a problem, I don't mind taking down my video!)
Anyway! Double Dealing Character, being my second favorite Touhou game in the series, is not without its flaws! I don't usually make videos like this so it was a lot of fun! Enjoy!

[@Geoff69420]

Zun was drunker than usual when he made this game. Or, perhaps he wasn't drunk enough. Either way, he did not have the correct amount of alcohol in his system at the time.

[@derailedamazementisfuzzy]

its like ZUN said "remember MarisaB from Mountain of Faith? Lets just make every fucking character like that"

[@Sparky579]

Except every B shot Type sucks

[@LoudWaffle]

No you see, all of this intentional, it's part of Seija inverting the world, what was once functional is now broken! ahaha

[@remixtheidiot5771]

LoudWaffle it was another side effect of the miracle mallet.

[@MECHDRAGON777]

I actually love Seija, nit that is a good point.

[@SilvarusLupus]

"Seija" that made me laugh

[@Minogame1]

It's a simple but accurate description :)

[@bigmama828]

Fuggin hell pretty much 4 out of the 8 bosses in this game can be considered the hardest in their stage ranks. DDC was the first Touhou I ever 1cced, knowing that if I could beat this I could beat all of the others Then LoLK comes along and tears me a new asshole...

[@olixx1213]

LolK definitly has the hardest stage layout Stage 3 fairys are a pain Stage 4 isn't that Bad tho But stage 5 and 6 are harder then some extras

[@Shimanas527]

@@olixx1213 stage 6 is incredibly easy except for the rain part of lunatic and hard

[@olixx1213]

@@Shimanas527 Junko's tough

[@Shimanas527]

@@olixx1213 when you mentioned stage layout I thought you meant the stage itself without the boss

[@olixx1213]

@@Shimanas527 Fair enough Altho yeah without considering the boss, stage 5 still sucks really Bad

[@maximuscruz609]

So your final score was 9,999,999,990... and there are nine 9's in that number... ...⑨

[@32th]

The reason why the score stops at that value is because the 0 at the end does not actually exist. See, the value for score stored in memory is a 64-bit integer which stores the entire value for score you see on screen except for the ones digit, which if always 0 by the way. So what you see as 229275890 score on screen is stored as 22927589 in memory. And in case you are wondering, yes you can use 64-bit integers with 32-bit programs. Touhou is a 32-bit game which uses 64-bit integers

[@lillycastitatis6807]

32th System ..what

[@averynaughtyboy1404]

Maximus Cruz Cirno!

[@aretard7995]

⑨,⑨⑨⑨,⑨⑨⑨,⑨⑨0

[@destrodevil6975]

Cirno approved

[@Detonexploder]

I just put on death metal during Yatsuhashis final at this point

[@Minogame1]

how fitting considering "death" is all you're ever gonna get from yatsuhashi ;)

[@32th]

With the knowledge of all those glitches, I will now play 1cc. In Mario Kart

[@trifortay]

What a turn of events. That makes so much sense too. You can mod Mario Kart to 1cc. LOL

[@AlexiosLynx]

Mallet: 「you grow bigger」be like: Reimu : Wait a minute, did you just make my hit box to become larger? Shinmyomaru: Yeah, so? Reimu : Isn't that against the rules? Shinmyomaru: Screw the rules, i have the miracle mallet But I love this game

[@farafureimu]

I actually have a name for the glitch at 1:26: the Sakuya Cannon, semi-named after the Malice Cannon glitch from IN, as they both involve alternating focus and unfocus to do crazy damage.

[@quackerbarrel7195]

If you play on fullscreen, alt tab the game after seija flips the screen and the game will pause itself and flip itself back around when you tab back to it with normalized controls :x

[@amenora]

Alt tab crashes the game for me lmao

[@inactive_ina]

WOW THIS IS VERY HELPFUL THANK YOU

[@jkharu2760]

Bruh it actually works lmao

[@arcengal]

The thing I find most annoying about DDC is Reimu's no-weapon artwork looks borderline inappropriate self-touching and it tilts me hard.

[@user-tq1zv9hd1o]

if you switch from her shot a to her shot b really quick in the menu it looks like shes scratching her chest

[@robertvelasquez823]

@@user-tq1zv9hd1o Your comment made me laugh so much, as it does look like that. ZUN making a flipbook animation in one of his games with one character.

[@dontwatchmuhvideosanddontscrub]

Atleast zun wasn't part of EA, Ubisoft, and any huge microtransaction company would be sad if sakuya was put up as $10 DLC

[@Gamesmarts194]

DLC for DDC?

[@longlivethe9989]

@KvAT ah yes... But I won't play SakuyaB even for 10$

[@randomspartanhoe4501]

@@longlivethe9989 Her narrow-straight forward Smart Robber is suck tho

[@lollipop6258]

DDC may be broken, but I still love it!

[@charles8740]

That underflow is the most broken "feature" in a video game, hands down.

[@RaisedThird]

I'm cracking up at how terrible the grow spell is for Marisa and Sakuya.

[@gyppygirl2021]

Trying to clear the game with SakuyaB is an absolute nightmare... even on Easy...

[@gyppygirl2021]

How do you get around her hitbox issues? I'm kinda jealous. :P

[@gyppygirl2021]

...fair point. XD

[@yugijak]

Okay no. You do not reverse someone's controls in a game ABOUT BRUSHING YOUR BUTT PAST A BILLION BULLETS! You can stop time, that is somehow balanced. You can create limited spaces, that is somehow balanced. But reversing controls in a game like this about PRECISION MOVEMENTS, IS NEVER GOING TO BE BALANCED!

[@ddd-op5wy]

Seija isn't even that hard though. Just diagonal only if you're that uncomfortable. She's pretty easy overall for a stage 5 boss. I personally really enjoyed her spellcards.

[@bamshablam5977]

@@ddd-op5wy Lunatic disagrees.

[@ephraimium6755]

@@bamshablam5977 Yeah normal Seija isn't that bad, but Lunatic Seija? Ho boi count me in

[@poledra4153]

@@bamshablam5977 I played this game on hard but i could only do her first mirror spell The others messed me up too much

[@JzBoy]

Wait what?! xDDDD

[@Konh-Minh]

oh, hello there!

[@aretard7995]

JzBoy(JIZZY BOI) was here too?!

[@JTSF]

@@aretard7995 Whajja expect? He is a Touhou fan also.

[@Niiue]

ddc is broken

[@Snakke40]

This video was great! And hilarious. And awesome! As someone who is trying to 1CC this game on Lunatic with SakuyaA it's a constant moral battle of not abusing her shot type (because her shot type as-is is powerful enough) or abusing it. (Because F certain spells)

[@Minogame1]

You can always go with ReimuA. Her gohei is broken but not TOO broken for legitimacy~

[@tamade7108]

hahahhahahahahhaa I was laughing my ass off so hard it was super funny

[@32th]

I am the kind of person who would constantly abuse her shot type because it's something in the game by default, and therefore using it is not cheating.

[@TsukiZer0]

Reimu-Borked Sakuya-Borked Marisa-Borked EVERYONES IS BORKED!

[@pachicore]

I'm so glad to see that someone finds Kagerou difficult, i thought i was just trash

[@poledra4153]

Kagerou (on hard) made me feel like i had to step up my level even tho i just completed 13 on hard. It made me feel like this game was harder

[@samuffert]

People love broken games, just look at Smash melee

[@Erik_Emer]

How do you even survive "Grow bigger?" I can't even capture the spellcard without dying on easy, and I can play hard perfectly find, otherwise...

[@Nemer49994]

Dodge slowly and start moving as late as possible.

[@Gamesmarts194]

The actual hitbox doesn't look properly scaled to the visible one. Seriously, watch Marisa and Sakuya's clips over. It's so bullshit.

[@JacomeFelg]

It becomes pretty simple after you learn how to properly misdirect the white knives.

[@benji_tunez]

Just play as Reimu

[@smilinggeneral8870]

ummm....i guess he's talking about the literal "grow bigger" spell. not the "you grow bigger".

[@u1f47b7]

I don't know if you know, but Sakuya A has a small cheat against Raiko. If you tack some knives onto her before she starts her timeout Spell Card, Sakuya's knives will slow down the whole attack. It doesn't allow it to get to its final phase

[@parafysh]

I will be able to beat the extra stage now

[@prettycrumby]

Love the music!

[@robertodelier9999]

Dat damage output tho

[@ZaTimou]

0:44 malice cannon noises

[@AnimaRandom]

Looks like DDC will be my first game to be 1cc xD *starts playing DDC

[@9Tensai9]

I love DDC too I didn't know Sakuya was that broken, I never choose her in any game though. I use the MarisaB spam bomb but you took it one step further to get even more 2.0. I'mnna copy that thanks

[@envyreanilarsa]

Me after watching this be like : IMMA USE MARISA FOR BEATING RAIKO

[@noveladdict1]

Reimu's needle isn't nerfed . It just being overshadowed by another shot. Oh wait.

[@PSOISFUN]

neat info

[@tabbender1232]

Desynchronized replays ? How is it even possible ?

[@LoudWaffle]

The replay systems in the Touhou games aren't video recordings, it just memorizes your player inputs and in the case of bullet patterns with random aspects, it memorizes those as well. Watching a replay is just having the game perfectly recreate your saved play session. So desynchronized replays happen when the player does something like fast-forwarding the replay, and through flawed coding, the game loses track of what movement happens where, or where the enemy bullets were supposed to shoot, resulting in stuff like game overs in NMNB runs when watching the replay.

[@tabbender1232]

LoudWaffle I know. But still, it's exactly the same game where exactly the same thing happens. So how can an attack have a different effect in the game than in the replays ? That makes no sense

[@Detonexploder]

Just another case of ZUNgramming

[@LoudWaffle]

It's not the attack, it's the player's positioning that gets out of whack. I'm not a programmer so I can't really dtail why exactly fast-forwarding desyncs it, but it definitely has to do with the fact that replays are really just recreating the gameplay bit-by-bit.

[@tabbender1232]

LoudWaffle You know, despite popular opinion, most replay systems work like that. It would be a pain in the ass if you had to use your PC's recording system every time you want to save a replay. Because bad quality + PCs don't always have a way to record. But i still don't get how it's supposed to desynchronize. If there's a bug with the player's location, it should logically appear both in the main game and in the records.

[@Gamesmarts194]

What if you do the score underflow trick on one spell, then do the score bonus underflow on another spell? Does the score decrease as it should or does it stay at the highest score?

[@wessltov]

Logically speaking, it depends on whether the negative score is higher or lower than your total score. If it's higher, it should stay

[@ethirium4389]

3:44 that bug also happened to me in touhou 11 with Reimu A :(

[@akirasakurathebloomofdarkn5319]

the glitchs will be very useful to me

[@pain245]

Great video Mino! Awaiting the next in the LP series! BTW, it'd be interesting to see you do a playthrough of Shining Shooting Star sometime, do you think you'd consider that?

[@Minogame1]

Actually, I might do that. Shining Shooting Star is by far one of the best fangames I've played. It's extremely well balanced and you can just tell that a high level survival player playtested it (which is the case. HNY, a japanese player who's LNN'd all Touhou games was a playtester for that game, he actually did LNNN of SSS too making the first fangame LNN).

[@pain245]

I'd really look forward to that. HNY LNN'd LolK? I thought no-one bothered because of Junko.

[@Minogame1]

Yep! HNY did indeed do LoLK. Here's a video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZzUd5Spps1oeKc He removed the replay though, which makes me sad. I never got to watch his SSS LNNN, and so I'm worried he won't release it.

[@pain245]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[@pain245]

Wow, this is some precise playing though. But are there any signs of cheating or foul play to your veteran eye? Seems rather too good to be true. Although if he's a known player, there'd be plenty of people to call him out.

[@ricardoantonioleonleon5716]

The 9.999.999.990 score bug is in Ten Desires, too. In the Desire.EXE black label mod. In Yuyuko´s last spell on Arcade and Ultra, if you are in a precise position (very good strat) with Marisa or Reimu, the score will be in the negatives too. (Excuse me for my horrible English)

[@grayst3603]

great video. gj on scripting and editing. Not all deaths look unintentional, though!

[@KnakuanaRka]

1:36 Now Sakuya is MarisaB(roken)!

[@Bravidunno]

That negative bonus glitch would already break all the records !

[@lunamacaroon7896]

You should do this for LoLK too...

[@AA-dq5jd]

Wish Marisa A ‘s flamethrower does homing but on low range like Sakuya A ‘s homing knives on focus

[@Loner098]

This man even played Coconut Mall in the background.

[@lollipop6258]

This video is lit

[@soschar2050]

ReimuA is the Malice Cannon all over again.

[@Niiue]

marisa achieves temporary immortality with the use of a spellcard. huh.

[@ScubDomino]

I love you forever Mino lololooool

[@SomeGuy712x]

Minogame1, I have a question: What program did you use to add your annotations to this video? (Since KZbin's annotations are no longer usable, I'm searching for possible alternatives now.)

[@reidie3498]

nice

[@tabbender1232]

nice

[@Detonexploder]

nice

[@reidie3498]

nice

[@CodeyTorrence10]

nice

[@karenthesis5074]

nice

[@ASE-PRL]

ok hand sign

[@Minogame1]

tfw YT doesn't have emotes.

[@DarkTPmanTheVanquisher]

👍 what a laugh 😂

[@ashtonleach9866]

The underflow glitch is helpful for score runs!

[@wessltov]

If everyone does this, there's no point in doing a score run

[@ashtonleach9866]

I know, but still.

[@TrappedBowyer9684]

That replay glitch also appears in SA.

[@omarallama934]

How do you do the sakuya a glitch

[@ihadnomoneyandiflipped1772]

I broke my playlist button.

[@udonge3221]

when there is a flip controls thing in a game i just flip the controller or keyboard to make it easier

[@TheRealFraston]

music?

[@redlerred7]

What version is that even on? I'm trying to reproduce the SakuyaA attack exploit and it doesn't seem to be working

[@utsuhoreiuji9850]

Hey, I wanna get ddc on my computer but I keep getting an error when I try to run it

[@cacomeatball9153]

Utsuho Reiuji Might have something to do with your DirectX. If that's not the case, then try playing it in windowed mode.

[@Kilesfactor]

And I'm just over here, playing Touhou 6, not even being able to play on the easiest mode. *tries to lay down and not cry*

[@Drytonium]

ZUN Forgot to Use Eurobeat While make the game

[@altakugirl1257]

Basically this game took the Malice Cannon from 8 and ran with it

[@TrappedBowyer9684]

4:44 That’s the point.

[@jamm6_514]

maybe that is why lolk is lunatic mode even on normal its ZUN avenging DDC

[@tabafatristanjayechona9417]

GLORIOUSLY BROKEN...

[@plushiibean]

This video is a tutorial on how to play Touhou as if it was a toy (i want Marisa Kirisame as my plushie)

[@oujohime]

So is there no fix for replay desyncing? =?-?=

[@yukariyakumo3378]

Someone should do a run with 9999999999 points from the Sakuya A glitch

[@Minogame1]

I think someone did it before with TAS, and I know it's apparently possible in the Extra stage too. The same glitch exists in ISC. With Aya's camera, you can like slow down time or something and counterstop. I know royalflare (a japanese scoreboard) got littered with counterstop scores before the mods removed them :V

[@HaotoAnimeOnPiano]

I know so little about the game mechanics, this scares me.

[@tonick2208]

I am sorry I do not wish to make fun of your truly godly dodging abilities BUT WHAT MONSTER DOES THE XTRA STAGE LIKE THAT

[@DJKrisyKrisdude]

Oh I get it, it's like Melee is broken

[@averycreativeusername7618]

The nerves needle became more powerful now in LoLK, defeated mid-boss Seiran(stage 1 boss) in 3.273958235972749274987423 seconds.

[@thefloofartist1908]

Awesome video, but what's the name of the song used for it? I can't find it anywhere. xD

[@SlayerOfTears]

Mario Kart Wii - Coconut Mall.

[@thefloofartist1908]

T H A N K Y O U !!!

[@hexatyle9563]

I tried to 1cc DDC as my next game, and chooses SakuyaA without even realizing this overpowered bug. Not that I want to abuse glitches in the game tho, but might have to consider it...

[@manrisakirisame3505]

A broken Touhou game!? I'm Shocked!!

[@zenmode3125]

SO, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WHEN I PLAYED THIS, I COULD HAVE SPAMMED BOMBS TO GET MORE SCORE TO GET MORE LIVES, WHICH WOULD GIVE ME MORE BOMBS???? God i wish that were me, i played it all wrong and spent over a week trying to not die at the reverse controls smfh

[@ducklast_name4175]

The music should have been earrape

[@chainz983]

I love DDC and I am offended kek

[@williamapple5819]

Music pls

[@FlynntheBookseller]

BGM? it's good

[@randomspartanhoe4501]

Bruh, how do I beat Benben and Yatsuhashi on Extra mode, their spell cards are annoying, how do I pass them

[@longlivethe9989]

MarisaB's unmbrella exists for a reason

[@BabyBlueFord]

So, uh... what is the song called that was used here?

[@bowserjrimacasualshutup6754]

BabyBlueFord Coconut Mall theme from Mario Kart Wii

[@BabyBlueFord]

Bowser Jr Imacasualshutup Sounded familar, thanks.

[@Itz_Sophia19]

sakuyaa too powerful

[@exploshaun]

Needs more jump cuts and larger text

[@sashapinesnguyenhienhoa8003]

What kind of magic is this

[@harrid14mei]

ZA WARUDO! Now I have infinite score

[@sixbases6793]

Pffff even broken... This is the BEST touhou Game

[@IwantShawn]

Is the Learn How to Draw a Manga Character art a staple of the series?

[@hobneim2616]

ye

[@salriablanc2404]

When ZUN originally started making Touhou games on the pc-98, his inexperience mixed with the pixilated screen created that aesthetic visual. And when he got to more modern computers and his skills had improved, he kept the aesthetic as part of the style for his games. He has a very different, far more elegant style for his fighter-style spinoffs, so we know it's not just a lack of drawing talent

[@IwantShawn]

@@salriablanc2404 gotcha

[@hobneim2616]

@@salriablanc2404 he didnt draw for the fighter games

[@auroragamer1]

who would you consider more broken: marisa B or reimu A?

[@breloom657]

If I had to guess, Reimu A for the main game (coming from someone who plays on normal mode), but absolutely Marisa B for the Extra stage. There's just so many bullets to absorb!

[@auroragamer1]

yeah... the first time i tried, i had to resist the temptation of spamming it too much.

[@brandonsantisteban9626]

DID YOU SAY "KEK"!?

[@yehwat527]

So in a nutshell, every player are* : Reimu A : Okay slightly broken Reimu B : Ew... no Marisa A : Uhm... MAYBE? Marisa B : PING PING PING!!! FREE LIVES MTF! Sakuya A : Your free trial of life has ended. Sakuya B : Ew... no

[@ephraimium6755]

More like: Reimu A: Gohei go spin Reimu B: "I used to rule the world" Marisa A: Why flashy danmaku when you can shoot a f*cking flamethrower in their faces Marisa B: *2.0 2.0 2.0 ping ping ping* Sakuya A: The council has decided your fate, you'll die! Sakuya B: _balance in a not so balance game_

[@theo8305]

It was a funny video ^^

[@Konpekikaminari]

Say I wanna play Touhou which game should I start with

[@LoudWaffle]

Probably 6, honestly. It's pretty simple and straightforward, the spellcards are honestly not that hard compared to later cards, it doesn't have a gimick you have to focus on amidst the chaos of bullets (ex: good luck starting on the 12th game and keeping track of/collecting UFOs in the correct order while getting used to dodging all the different types of patterns), and it teaches you git gud and not play on Easy mode, since Sakuya tells you to go home if you beat Stage 5 on Easy, ending the game lol. Working progressively through the games from 6 onward (ignoring the side games unless you want to) also makes sure you know what the characters are talking about and what certain callbacks are referring to.

[@Konpekikaminari]

LoudWaffle thanks

[@guy_th18]

13. Learning curve, easy game, spell practice. First ever normal 1cc for me.

[@LoudWaffle]

I wouldn't exactly say it's the most "replayable", but I think he means it has the most content available. Which game would you say has more replayability/content than IN though, outside of personal preference, because that really what I think the replayability value comes from the most; which game you most enjoy and want to keep playing over and over.

[@minepose98]

He probably thought deathbombing was only in IN because border team gets an insane window

[@remixtheidiot5771]

It's the screen that flips, not the controls...

[@Minogame1]

Remix The Idiot the end result is still reversed controls

[@remixtheidiot5771]

Minogame1 pretty much yes, but i found that when i started thinking like that it somehow became easier for me to deal with the gimmick, it could just be me though.

[@retroblue9558]

I agree so hardly with you. This game is BROKEN AS HELL !! Though it was the only one to say it, but I'm happy to not be alone to notify it. Seriously, I think the most broken is the way that you acquire fragments : unsuitable for the difficulty that the game have and...wait 8 f*****g fragmant for a new bomb ? Seriously wth ?

[@poledra4153]

Happy to know Kagerou doesn't just destroys me But i don't like this game that much because Sukuna really mess with me, but the extra stage is one of my favorites

[@reversal2341]

what's broken in DDC? *_S e i j a_*

[@parupuri4993]

i cant even get past stage four those curvy lasers can burn fun fact: i can get farther into subterranean animism than double dealing character lol

[@gyppygirl2021]

ReimuA and SakuyaA are broken as hell, but in exchange, they have to fight Benben as their stage 4 boss... I find Yatsuhashi significantly easier than Benben. (Or maybe it's just me? Her final spell does look pretty nasty on higher difficulties...)

[@sk04387ks]

lmao DDC is the most unbalanced game, what was ZUN thinking? Great video and music, minogame!

[@Minogame1]

Thanks! DDC is probably the weirdest/broken windows game, but that's what makes it so unique. It's a broken mess lol

[@downsouth420]

Yeah, but I still love it. Especially after the previous 2 Touhou games, DDC felt like a return to what made Touhou so great.