Minsc And Jaheria Fight Dark Urge - All Options - Baldur's Gate 3

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[@onthaloose7521]

Holy fuck. Making Minsc kill Jaheira was brutal.

[@jedi_connor3030]

Same vibe as Zalbaar killing Mission back in the day

[@muertez00994]

it's just like turning in the nightsong to lorroakan, after that bringing isobel to her and kill her infront of her that was brutal

[@adampelletier2997]

That was the most heartbreaking moment I've seen, especially after playing Bg1 and 2 D'x

[@humorlessclown]

@@jedi_connor3030 - Fucking Hell… I had put that out of my mind so long ago. It was so wrong 😖

[@PeteTheGrouch]

I think you meant to say "fckin' HILARIOUS". ;-D

[@jogzyg2036]

Gale be like "I CAN FIX HER"

[@pipp972]

Acting unwise

[@spectralspectra2282]

Making Minsc kill Jaheira must be the most evil thing you could have done no way

[@blazetheplaneswalker]

Bhaal approves

[@quaestor856]

Well you can always kill Shadowheart's parents immediately after releasing them from Shar's grasp. That's pretty vile too.

[@mattk750]

​​@@quaestor856 yeah but mind controlling someone to kill their best friend is worse

[@MegaMawileTheNommer]

Zaalbar welcomes Minsc to the club.

[@Icecube88]

nah. giving nightsong to that one lorrok mage is worse.

[@callmezeldaonemoartime]

I think Minsc killing Jaheira is the most insane thing I’ve ever seen, I did an evil Durge run and I didn’t even know that was *possible*

[@Zekaria_Vanwood]

sadly jaheira killed herself on my durge playthrough in moonrise, so i couldnt see her til the end, really regret that seeing how she seems to be now.

[@angelodegiule1753]

She left for me after she agreed to help me kill minsc

[@VixHyena]

Something tells me, and this is just a hunch, but something tells me she's won Bhaal's bloody blessing...

[@MrRickles2pointO]

"Jaheira hoped there was still some flimsy light of good within you, small as Boo but just as bright." God I love Minsc's dialogue lol

[@F1shyBab1shy]

“It is an honor” No, it is a hamster”

[@cataclysm2773]

​@@F1shyBab1shy "What hamster? It is not a hamster, it is a Boo"

[@F1shyBab1shy]

No no, minsc says “no it is a hamster@@cataclysm2773

[@thisisaname5589]

I like Minsc just as much as I despise Jaheira.

[@F1shyBab1shy]

@@thisisaname5589 REAL

[@trevorgoddard1125]

Durge played the loooooong game, held off on killing Isobel, won Jaheira’s favour and rescued Minsc. Just so it would hurt them so much more in the end 😂

[@BorfoTV]

I killed Isobel and still managed to have Jaheira join me!

[@monged4life442]

You can still recruit Jaheira after you kill Isobel. She stands with you as all of the last light residents turn undead, then questions you to which you can reply "wasn't me mate, no idea what happened."

[@kingofgrim4761]

@@monged4life442she ended up joining my party in my evil run after I admitted it was me who killed isobel. I intimidated her to leave, after I killed Ketheric, she joined me as if it was a good playthrough. I even mockingly did the “what about the Harper’s” dialogue, knowing damn well they’re dead

[@infusion6478]

I killed isobel and spun jaheira a web of lies going all the way to the entrance of the temple of bhaal. Even recruiting and saving minsc to prove that I'm a 'good guy'

[@xombiemike]

OMG.... that Minsc stab! You made Boo cry!

[@kitten_with_bad_breath]

Its Boo's turn next 😈

[@v.h.6343]

Dark Urge : "You really think you can kill me ?" *Jaheira & Minsc regain their true power from the bg2 era, when they were level 30 demigods* Dark Urge : "Oh f*ck..."

[@danielholmes7142]

I thought the level cap was 20?

[@v.h.6343]

​@@danielholmes7142 The level cap is 8.000.000 xp in BG2 Throne of Bhaal. The max level is 40 for most classes. It's lower if you multiclass of course.

[@artturisiikanen3843]

level 40*(jaheira a bit lower since she is a druid fighter multiclass) with epic boons and such

[@Troll_main]

@@danielholmes7142 In standard dungeons and dragons, yes. BG3 plays WAYYY closer to DnD than BG2 did.

[@Firestar4041]

Wasn't BG1 and 2 using 2e or 3e D&D? All i can picture now is; Jaheria: "We will stop this madness, here and now!" Minsc: "Hold a moment Jaheria. Boo says we are due for a... soft-ware, up date?" Jaheria: ". . . why am i now a Ranger? What mad-wizard wrote this?"

[@sherm2572]

during this fight minsc wasn’t there, and i had never played jaheira, so she was a level 1 druid with 10 health. She died instantly.

[@adampettus2893]

Achievement unlocked: Ligma Bhaals

[@rustyjones7908]

Who the hell's Steve Jobs?

[@MrProver]

Everytime I think I've seen the most evil thing you can do in this game it gets worse

[@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536]

No matter how bad it is it can *always* get worse

[@34lls]

It's canon that Durge has throttled at least on infant in their crib.

[@Sacred_Korok69]

The first time i played as dark urge i completely forgot about Minsc (to meet him) and just went straight to Orin for the epic duel. After i became the Slayer she was waiting for me, but there was no Minsc and she STILL TALKED TO HIM lmao😂 like she was talking to herself, it was really funny. I thought she got dementia because of her age😂

[@joelkorhonen3170]

Of course, she is ancient - but she still has work to do.

[@cmwinchell]

@@joelkorhonen3170 I mean she's only ancient because she's a half elf. If she were a full elf she would be young, sprightly, and just easing into adulthood. Minsc was a statue by the way. That's why he's alive 100 years after BG2. Probably the same for Boo as well (he was part of the statue) but I'm not so sure. I don't know the average life expectancy of a miniature giant space hamster...

[@sewnmind1786]

​@@cmwinchellYou say that but the fake Viconia hasn't weathered the last century all that well either.

[@elenalizabeth]

@@cmwinchell yeah they hinted at that story (the “stolen ranger statue”) right from act 1, I thought that was a cool detail to add in. There was a letter or poster about it and how there was a reward for finding the beloved ranger statue. I assume he was in a preserved state like those frozen statues in the Underdark and was released with a basilisk potion 🤔

[@nambnb]

@@elenalizabeth Minsc was released from petrification in one of the D&D comic series "Legends of Baldur's Gate" by a wild magic surge of a sorceress. Since he was no longer a statue, the people of Baldur's Gate believed the statue of "The Beloved Ranger" had been stolen. Acc. to Forgotten Realms Wiki, this happened somewhere in the 1480s DR, which means it's been 12 years since Minsc up and walked away by the time BG3 is set. Either the rewards poster is old af or a relic that survived the ages far from Baldur's Gate.

[@StrongBalloonChris]

Making Minsc kill Jaheira = Biggest UNO card reversal of all time

[@MrGnarlybirdman]

This could’ve been an amazing confrontation if Minsc and Jaheira We’re actually strong as they are meant to be by the end of BG2. Level 20 characters with epic abilities would’ve made playing an evil durge a challenge

[@audioapegaming3334]

Keep in mind that over a 100 years have passed since then Jaheria comments that’s she is not as strong as she once was, and that she has been hoping a new generations of heroes would come and take over for her. And in Minsc case I’m not really sure if being frozen in time while encased in stone impaired his abilities at all but it wouldn’t be strange if it did

[@Jonatron101]

@@audioapegaming3334 As for Minsc, he got tadpoled just like the rest of the party who's banter all indicates that the initial tadpoling severely limited their abilities for a time while they readjusted.

[@Robloxman01]

The funny part for me was that I never used Jaheira, so when this happened for me she was still level 1. The fact that game doesn't make either of them an NPC again and level her up to be a threat in case you don't take the time to level up companions you never use is hilarious.

[@duyha5815]

Yea. Seems like heroes of old but died pretty quickly under my smite crits

[@nicolapodgornik6644]

Actually, end of tob is 8M exp, level 40. minsc is arguably the worst companion bar Wilson, you might get past him, even tho I seriously doubt it. Jaheira on the other end… let’s put it simple, I don’t think you could hit her realistically, and she can cast Druid hlas, lvl7 Druid spells (dolorous decay) and have access to +4/5 weapons. Good thing it wasn’t Edwin or Neera or any arcane spellcaster, they would evaporate anything in bg3 with a horrid wilting/incendiary cloud

[@masonsforge]

Nobody else talking about how gale's just holding out hope? Truly the most loyal companion

[@pole8740]

he’s kinda iffy on us being bhaalspawn but astarion was that guy, fuckin it we bhaal

[@foxboyunreal]

late comment but it makes sense. a durge isn’t TOTALLY evil if gale was allowed to leave the portal

[@celestialm3909]

I've just finished an evil run, and like... there's a lot of bad shit here. I've now raided the Grove (dreadful), ascended Astarion for the first time (awful, I hate him in this form and he was my first romance), DJ'd Shadowheart... you name it's been harsh, but also like really interesting? I never ever play games evil but I love this game so much that I wanted to try it. ... But amongst all the nasty shit, THIS. This broke me. I had to walk away and do something else for an hour man, and I didn't even get Minsc to kill Jaheira. The fact that what is a last stand for you against the villain with your powerful friends is now them taking a last stand against YOU... chills. Actual chills. Masterpiece of a mood-setter, walking out in your bloody Chosen triumph to this horror show. Proud of you for that one Larian, you bastards. 😂

[@omganotherun]

3:30 Wow. Literally gasped at making Minsc do... that.

[@MrBern-ex3wq]

I can imagine a different way this plays out as a conniving, mastermind Durge. A Durge that loses all faith that they can resist Bhaal... So they plant Jaheira and Minsc nearby, to ensure that they will be destroyed by the pair of heroes before enacting Bhaal's will.

[@williamkinser7063]

Thats a fantastic twist! I hope the devs get ahold of that and weave it into a future update cause that's brilliant.

[@KryptosLounge]

oh gosh thats so beautiful and so sad

[@Zaxares]

Oh, this is good. :D It's on par with the character concept that the DUrge is also Evil, but secretly resents Bhaal's "hand on the wheel" as the Urge, so to speak. You have no true control over who and what you kill; you're just a vessel for Bhaal's whims. So after you reject Bhaal's blessing and Withers resurrects you, you bask in the congratulations of your companions for having "beaten Bhaal", but inside you exult in the satisfaction that none of them realize that you were complicit in the killings all along.

[@maikbaumann1250]

some games struggle do have a good dialog in general, this game have multiple good dialogs depending on the players choice

[@sleepyhollow6572]

Lore wise they would 1000% kill the durge but unfortunately for them we are main characters

[@artturisiikanen3843]

exactly its something they could 100% do

[@banwaita6723]

This was probably the best-structured “all options” video I’ve seen

[@WakkasLove]

Oof. Gale's "I can fix her" towards the Dark Urge is like Tav's "I can fix him" towards Ascended Astarian. Both are facing an eternity with their abusers.

[@kare880]

And thats why Gale is forever Bae

[@AegixDrakan]

Dayum, you'd think Jaheira would see the mind control tadpole option coming. XD

[@kingofbel6499]

This is the one part that made me reconsider going full Bhaal route. I could never bring myself to kill granny Jaheira and Minsc.

[@francesmcginn5850]

Gale no honey, no you can't fix her. Proceeds to I can fix him in my play through

[@magic_cfw]

Kinda wished there was an option where they would immediately off you after confronting the final boss. Kinda like the ending where you turn into a mind flayer and choose to end your journey earlier than the others.

[@munchkintaker4263]

Wouldn't make any sense. I mean, there's the option that DU would do it themselves if they defy their father at the last moment after the battle, but it would be foolish of Jaheira and Minsc to trust someone who, as far as they knew, was hell-bent on being the psychopathic killer that does Bhaal's bidding

[@magic_cfw]

@@munchkintaker4263 we got a level 99 check for the brain, it's not impossible

[@munchkintaker4263]

​@@magic_cfw Bad example. Ability checks do not allow to do everything, DMs usually do not even allow to roll for something like that since it is a zero chance of success, the game explicitly states that the evolved Elder Brain can't be subdued by a non-mindflayer. The Brain's check is quite literally an impossible check, the critical success gives you only a certain advantage in the final battle. Critical success only gives you the best *possible* outcome, even though DnD all this time did not even allowed crit success on ability checks in the first place, and under the new d20 test rules - crit success/failure matters only up to a point. In other words, Jaheira isn't a fool - it would require her to become suddenly dumb and defy her common sense to make them trust you to not control the Brain.

[@jebus42069]

​@@magic_cfweven if you get a nat 20 you still don't control the brain, it just gets weaker during the final encounter

[@rayplays7498]

i didnt get to minsc until after this so when i tried to knock him out, i just got told by the emperor that he cant be saved. boo later came over to his body and had sad and angry squeaks. i threw boo. xD

[@kitten_with_bad_breath]

So you were high on emperor's koolaid

[@elenalizabeth]

@@kitten_with_bad_breath no if Jaheira isn’t alive there is no way to convince Minsc that you are the good guys, or at least that’s what I’ve seen

[@sebastianventura4964]

Yeah you need Jaheirq alive to recruit minsc

[@kiemugen9830]

She's a Slayer-Queen Gunpowder, gelatine Dynamite with a laser beam Guaranteed to blow your mind Anytime

[@jakubport7361]

I just wish the Jaheira/Minsk fight would be a little tougher. They are legendary heroes and my lv.12 storm sourcerer used 2 chain lightings to disintegrate them.

[@sachiellovesyou]

this is why i can never do a fully evil play through, i love jaheira and minsc way too much to even think about hurting them.

[@primeemperor9196]

Having Minsc kill Jaheria is Mission Vao in KOTOR all over again.

[@JordanJumpin]

4:00 darth revan vs bowdarr and mission flashbacks

[@MournBringer0]

A Man of a culture I see

[@timothyhouse1622]

In all her self-righteous indignation, Jahaira forgot one very important detail; someone still had a tadpole in his head.

[@laningsmith9163]

She is definitely going to regret that later. Emperor only saved Minsc because of us

[@icetide9411]

You can end the world, lay waste to countless innocents, but making Minsc kill Jaheira? That's too evil for even Bhaal himself

[@artturisiikanen3843]

but i think bhaal probably likes minsc.

[@moods..]

I was fine with killing the grove, last light, the night song but god this part hurt as she’s been my favourite character since bg1 and I had had her in my party 90% of act 3

[@Era_Of_Awakening]

I loved Jaheria tbh, her voice, her accent. maybe because we interacted with her more than others. the inn, her house, her background, harpers, the guild, Minsc... she good old women, stronger than she look.

[@Wilted.lycoris]

I expected this outcome in my durge run when I gaslit Jaheira into thinking I had nothing to do with the shit that happened at last light.

[@temperspace]

This battle can either be a cakewalk, or like me minibosses if you've built them properly. They hasted themselves and just spammed ice storms and whirlwinds

[@rivlasdezerai]

The other truly evil thing you can do is take Minsc and Jaheria when you meet with Sarevok and offer them as a sacrifice to Bhaal

[@artturisiikanen3843]

i highly doubt bhaal likes you offing minsc

[@dominika3762]

I just played yesterday, I became Bhaal's chosen and they just went away... No fight...

[@michasokoowski6651]

If in party they leave your team, but you will still see them on the bridge

[@donskiver]

I cant bear watching my girl jaheira get killed like that.

[@Firestar4041]

NPC's sure love to throw the; "And you could've let them killed you!" retort, around

[@TelosEversor]

Forcing Minsc was the best. Absolutely savage.

[@kommissarantilus3742]

Gale is such an enabler, since the goblin party, but i love him nonetheless

[@bluewonk8910]

I love Jaheira. This is so sad

[@JustAFatherlyNerd]

I killed Jaheira my first playthrough I didn't feel bad because my first playthrough I missed basically the whole game and alot of items and cutscenes as well. But after doing 6 playthroughs I always end up being an Good Urge it feels so much more rewarding even though I want to be evil you aren't rewarded enough and miss out on A LOT!!!!

[@joshuakim5240]

To be fair, only 1 of the 3 main evil Durge rewards isn't laughably garbage (Deathstalker Mantle is so brokenly OP...while the Slayer form is a joke and the 1-time-use Power Word: Kill is hilariously weak with its 100 hp limit) to the point where the epic redemption arc story of a good Durge blows away those meager evil rewards out the water.

[@canadian__ninja]

So sad. The last vestiges of the party that defeated Bhaal's plots in games past, dying to Bhaal's latest spawn and dooming the world with their failure.

[@zhawkmoth3653]

I never saw this on my evil playthrough... because I let Jaheria get mauled by the harpers after I let last light fall. I did get the achievement "Early Retirement" though. Kinda prefer doing it my way, considering I never personally needed to fight her.... I just pretended I totally didn't do anything and mosey'd back to camp.... lol

[@currantew7519]

This happened to me but jahiera lived the last light inn fight and then I passed an intimidation check for her to just leave. Eventually in act 3 she just showed up in my camp like we were good buddies. she didn't last long as I was doing durge things lol.

[@fuchsraeude1294]

Seeing Jaheira backstabbed was truly a thing of beauty. Thank you!

[@JustSayRance]

Damn, I let Jaheira live just to betray her here, but I never knew I could go for such an evil option. Then again, my Durge didn't use illithid powers as he thought it was beneath someone of his stature, so he still wouldn't have.

[@Karlken0209]

Boy oh boy, I betrayed Jaheira and give her to Saverok yesterday and thought that was satisfying but THIS is perfect. Worth to reload and keep her alive abit longer.

[@thestarhopper]

'jokes on you jaheira i never levelled you up, enjoy your 10hp and default gear' or alternatively 'bhaal just gave me power word kill, but by all means try and stop me'

[@fosaimaginator3920]

I tried this once in my evil run. I didn't have it in me to kill them so i knocked them out instead. I still got the "Forced Retirement" inspiration but i headcanoned my durge forbade all bhaalist to touch them and just send them away unconscious :( i just love these two too much to actually end them.

[@SineadH2010]

My jaw dropped at Minsc killing Jaheria..I was in shock for a good few minutes.

[@ghostlyswat12]

Considering how legendary they are I imagine they could kill the durge

[@leyrua]

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you reject your god and die, doesn't that mean you get consigned to purgatory forever? I mean, at that point you didn't know that Withers was going to intervene. With that in mind it would be fairly reasonable to accept, hoping that you would have a better chance to free yourself later.

[@sharknoms4467]

I always find it major eye roll inducing when some character tells the protagonist "You could have just deleted yourself, duh!"

[@__-tp4tm]

Bra, my Dark Urge ended them all nearly by himself, with no sweat lost

[@hasanyigit7794]

HOLY CRAP MAKE MİNSC KİLL JAHERİA???? THİS İST HE MOST EVİL THİNG I EVER SEE SO FAR

[@gurrtug9213]

I read the comments and still was shocked that was prob one of the most or may be even the most fucked up options i have seen in bg3

[@LittleHieuy]

There’s something much more heartbreaking about playing a Durge that starts off trying to do good (or decent) and then embarrassing Bhaal

[@Aj_Screams]

Lore wise they would destroy us

[@Chaoxide666]

Tbh wanting me to just let myself die made me feel almost no remorse for them. I understand what would have happened if i did but still

[@therabbi9848]

Dark Urge looks so cool but idk if I have the heart for it honestly lmao

[@gleaminangel2697]

You can do a redemption run durge.

[@jonwoods4590]

me when i’ve won balls bloody blessing

[@sophiemoconnell]

Your Durge looks like Jade McSorley from Britain's next top model.

[@MrBreenyboy]

Dang that gave me ptsd flashbacks from KOTOR :(

[@buildawall5803]

None shall stand in my way sounds gives me vibes of non shall that the throne

[@LaughableSynonyms]

Honestly, I've never liked Jaheira. This is more than I could ask for :D

[@EternityGray]

I guess you need to be evil durge for jaheira to confront you cause I never got any scene like it

[@eggbag4182]

When this happened on my evil run I didn’t use Jaheria a single time so she was level one and died instantly

[@isaactaylor8086]

"And one time a giant!"

[@KALioness910]

I tried to convince them it wasn’t really my choice… then Jaheria got thunder arrowed off the bridge and minsc got dominated. I didn’t kill him. Because he was considered an ally while dominated, I just left. I couldn’t deal the final blow.

[@mankilot]

now i am playing as an unhinged Urge and it is soul breaking :|

[@The_Nightsong]

Minsc is amazing, I love him 😍😍😍

[@God_of_comments]

There are 2 types of team. Jaheira+Minsk and others

[@MerlinTheCommenter]

My dark urge run except I made sure my character looked the part. I made him look like Kazuya Mishima 😂.

[@ragnaricstudios5888]

Honestly, I don’t want to hurt Minsc in any way

[@97Zexion97]

You didn't show what happens failing the wisdom check to control Minsc

[@elenalizabeth]

What happens then?

[@97Zexion97]

@@elenalizabeth I don't know, but knowing the game, they probably have considered you could fail the check and usually there is an unique scene for it (or at least a line from the narrator), and even if there is notthing (and the dialogue procedes as with a different option) the video could have shown it

[@lydiafayre9806]

@@97Zexion97 "and even if there is notthing (and the dialogue procedes as with a different option) the video could have shown it." Goodness, what a little monarch you are. The video creator opted instead to showcase one particular way things could play out because they felt like it. They don't owe anything more than that to you, no matter how much you feel like they "could" do it. You *can* find out yourself, instead of going around critiquing artistic labor of others based on whether they could have made it more precisely to your own subjective specifications.

[@TheHispanicmaid]

Gale is a real one for staying loyal even if you’re as evil as you can be homie gale doesn’t leave your side.

[@artturisiikanen3843]

more like his wisdom is too low to leave.

[@Shyreenify]

My headcanon is that Minsc made mincemeat out of Durge after they made him kill Jaheira. Theres no way he wouldnt turn absolute unstopptable berzerker mode

[@saribeepo.o5111]

Too bad that obviously can't be what happens, since the only way for Minsc to be there in the first place is to get his ass handed to him and spared by Durge. Minsc owes Durge his life, it's only fitting for him/her to get to collect.

[@donald2005]

There should be a way to either avoid or spare them so that when you take the option to kill yourself at the end of the game it’d make for a cool interaction

[@lancekidder9011]

So can you only get jaheira as a companion in a dark urge playthrough and in none of my playthroughs have i actually found minsc

[@jackballantyne1304]

Whats required for this scene? It didn't show for me on my durge playthrough

[@artturisiikanen3843]

probably need to sacrifice valerie, kill someone on the list get slayer before killing orin and accept becoming a tool.

[@ConfusedEli]

Jeez making minsc kill jaheria was horrible

[@zajtoja]

W8, is this a standard encounter for Durge? Edit: Ah, ok thats after killing Orin and taking Bhaals blessing, right?

[@AmaranthHoney]

my game bugged and i didnt get this fight. jaheira and the harpers just stood outside the temple of bhaal and i couldnt interact with them, so i just left.

[@KatoGod]

i did this fight last night, i didnt even level minsc up and he was level 1 💀

[@merlinho0t]

Bruh idc I killed them, I wasn’t even gonna use the brain for evil and they turn on me using LEGENDARY weapons I got for them? I killed both with no remorse.

[@pearchairo4831]

how can you get this scene ? jaheira n misc be alive at act 3 and ascend as bhaal chosen ?

[@brianakin533]

Where will this happen???😧😧😧😧😧

[@pjohns9532]

What dress was Tav wearing

[@CastroJr92]

trying to find out as well

[@TacoRemixx]

And then you fight them and they’re still level 1 🤣

[@DanielRodriguez-xn6of]

Lol i offered them to bhaal at the tribunal

[@martakarolinazmyslowska6903]

Never had this scene how to get????

[@VenomGamingCenter]

So if you go evil Durge, and embrace the gift after beating Orin, this happens? There is no way to talk them out of it? You have to kill them? I would have thought you'd be able to talk them out of it and say that you plan to betray Bhaal after killing the absolute, even if that's a lie.

[@veto_lyons4628]

What triggers this event?

[@Andriej69]

It sure is cute that Jaheira really thinks she can take on Bhaalspawn despite being like a 5-6/10 companion in the old games. She ran support in all of my good playthroughs and was outclassed by a bunch of evil companions

[@Rarian92]

Actually Jaheira was pretty powerful in BG2 (more than Aerie or Viconia for referance). Also - if the game sticked true to the previous ones, she'd be like level 40 and dual class xD.

[@Andriej69]

@@Rarian92 Aerie wasn't useful very much, that is true, but my gal Viconia was a backbone of my party sometimes even in good playthroughs

[@luminozero]

@@Andriej69 You high? Aerie's access to both Arcane and Divine Magic made her an absolute BEAST. I will acknowledge that she grows slow, but the amount of versatility and raw spell slots she gets makes her insanely powerful.

[@Andriej69]

@@luminozero Making Aerie a "beast" took a fuckton of min-maxing, and I prefer to bother with it only when it comes to charname, if at all

[@luminozero]

@@Andriej69 She needs like 2 items and a handful of scrolls. It's really not that hard. All she REALLY wants is the Robe of Vecna to reduce the casting time for her Cleric spells. Everything else (like the Amulet of Power or the Staff of the Magi) she can do without. The sheer power that comes from being able to put Cleric spells into Mage Sequencers is game breaking. Combining Magic Resistance (set MR to 2% * Caster Level) with Lower Resistance (10+ 1% * Caster Level) as a Level 14 Mage/Level 14 Cleric (what Aerie should be at the end of SoA without XP Uncapped) turns any enemy's MR to a pathetic 4%. And that's one of a dozen different ways she can absolutely demolish the harder encounters in the game. Little bird is an absolute monster.

[@iel8797]

What do you even have to do to get this