Minthara would make a better mother than Jaheira | Baldur's Gate 3

[@ILikeTheThingsIDo]

She looks almost sad when she says life is conflict. Like she wishes it wasn't true, that she didn't believe it.

[@driftingwolf0]

Especially since she had to live that truth through her entire life.

[@MrTarakanisher]

I like to think this way. However it's probably just a animation coincidence

[@ILikeTheThingsIDo]

@@MrTarakanisher with the amount of attention to detail the facial animations in the rest of the game, I doubt this.

[@Polomance862]

There's clear deep wounds when she reflects on her childhood. One can assume an underlying envy for people who have stronger, more peaceful family lives. She doesn't wish her life was a myriad of conflicts. But that's all she ever knew. She does have truth that children, in Faerun should be taught how to fight and survive. She wouldn't want her own children to not have a fighting chance.

[@Modoreddo]

@@Polomance862 She even brag about how her mother taught her well ... Only to say it might not be the greatest exemple few seconds later

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

One of the things I like most about Minthara is how self-aware she is. She knows that Drow society is messed up by the standards of the other races. She knows that a parental relationship like she had isn't ideal. She knows that her views are harsh and her morals cruel. She just believes that it's neccessary because the world is cruel. She's not evil, she's jaded. She's a product of the life she's lived, but there are many glimpses of a kinder heart and of a more thoughtful mind, that peek through at times. 10/10 writing. Such a complex character.

[@lewnatic]

This is my favorite part of the more morally grey characters in the party--Astarion, Minthara and early-game Lae'zel have this commonality where you can see that they recognize cruelty, they recognize kindness, but they have lived lives that taught each of them that cruelty is needed, that ensuring survival comes before trying to create a bond or help others. The fact that keen eyes will spot fear in their body language, usually followed by their harsher sides--it's so *real.* The fact that everyone in the party has been written with deep empathy even for their more evil sides is honestly legendary.

[@rustkarl]

Not so much complex as much as it is well reasoned and more importantly well portrayed. You can easily tell that Minthara’s often psychopathic responses to most normal social situations is a direct result of a life lived in a web of advantage, treachery and utilitarianism which she applies to all things. While it may not be necessary in Baldurian society she still sees such harshness as an advantage to take in a softer social climate if no-one else is willing to take such advantages.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

@@rustkarl And how rare is that in video games? Not that many studios yet have really taken full advantage of the storytelling and character building possibilities of games, many of which are unique to the medium. A movie can't make you be the one to pull the trigger and shoot a doctor, and a book can't give you the chance to make a genuine sacrifice to help others like Nier Automata did. I could probably count less than 20 games with characters nearly as nuanced and deep as BG3's. The sheer amount of time you spend with them lets them be more fleshed out than any movie or TV character, and the interactive, choice driven aspect of gaming allows you to explore different parts of their personalities like no book could.

[@Fearnil]

She's evil *as a consequent* of being jaded. There's a difference. You can be jaded and choose to be kind (be a good person); she chooses to be cruel and as such, she's evil. Cruelty is a necessary and sufficient condition for evil. And yeah, she is a very well written (if a tiiiiny bit overacted) complex character - her being evil doesn't remove from how complex she is. Her glimpses of a capacity for kindness make her complex, and also drive the contrast of how much of a monster she chooses to be.

[@dregnoff9361]

I love how Jaheira is right there

[@flapjax512]

e@@EEEEEEEE

[@gozzilla177]

Just 😐

[@thehippie3610]

Jaheira doesn't have time for this angst. 😂

[@Greatmaw-72]

I know right 😂

[@Arendvdvenk]

​@@EEEEEEEER

[@lastassassin4443]

For a drow this is pretty tame so you can definitely say she would be a great mother in drow standards unless its a boy

[@gayfrogs6985]

That’s what makes minthara unique, by drow standards she is pretty kind

[@gayfrogs6985]

That’s what makes minthara unique, by drow standards she is pretty kind

[@gayfrogs6985]

That’s what makes minthara unique, by drow standards she is pretty kind

[@adriannavarrete9332]

Let's be realistic they probably be a half-blood (if the statistics for baldur's gate 3 have any say in it) so really it wouldn't matter

[@connorbaker663]

What do you mean by "unless it's a boy"

[@IcyOTU]

Most healthy Drow family dynamic.

[@bru9383]

Actually, yeah

[@lunatic-k5209]

And it true

[@lanesmith1465]

That's because Minthara is a woman. Eilistraee help her brothers if she has any.

[@bru9383]

@@lanesmith1465 In that case, they're already dead

[@PalleRasmussen]

Minthara is a Baenre ​. At least one of her brothers is unlikely to die as long as Lolth is around.

[@hel2727]

my favourite line of hers is "I'll reserve my social graces for those who might live long enough to appreciate them"

[@bru9383]

Knowing the context makes it downright funny. Poor Gale

[@flfb]

Mine is "It is a sharp mind that feels sympathy for one who suffers unnecessarily, not a soft heart." Even evil can recognise injustice.

[@dudea3378]

It was funny enough that in earlier D&D editions the common battlecry was "Shoot the mage first." Add in an exploding orb, and Gale is just a walking target for Minthara.

[@gibbygibbstein7858]

It's kind of crazy how Minthara and Lae'zel both come from races known for their violent tendencies yet both are incredibly tame sweethearts as far as their actual race is concerned.

[@maqima]

you kinda need to be tame to befriend the other companions though right

[@frankisnot1148]

...now I wanna see a gith tav/just straight up lae'zel playthrough with romancing minthara.

[@An_Average_Idiot]

​@@maqimaAstarion kinda likes the violence though. Karlach too unless its towards 'innocents.' Gale is a bit grey in that department...

[@MrKrystal64]

My next playthrough is gonan be laezel and im def gonna romance minthara​@frankisnot1148

[@TheKillaShow]

Do you know Minthara? Tame??

[@gerstein03]

Minthara has to be the most complex and nuanced character in the game. She's undeniably evil and that never changes but she's also among the wisest most respectful and most loyal of all your companions. The writing for her is truly remarkable and the voice actress did a great job

[@jaebleu]

lawful evil done right

[@MALICEM12]

It's Definitely nice seeing darker characters given nuisance and not just "I kill puppies for fun"

[@HachuneMiku01]

I enjoy talking to her in game, she's very insightful

[@marcuss.abildskov7175]

It just suck that Larian didn't finish her character.

[@McNugge.]

Complexity defo goes to astarion, but she is interesting as well

[@dragonlily187]

I love how you can sometimes see Minthara say things about her life and seems to realize how crazy it sounds out loud

[@rustkarl]

And just for that, she’s arguably one of the most self-aware and open minded Lolthsworn.

[@arclightsama_]

Having her as a wife / mother / jailer is the most exciting thing you could ever imagine

[@Ohtenga]

You need a therapist my brother

[@adriannavarrete9332]

Wife absolutely, mother unless you're outside drow society maybe, jailer absolutely not

[@RandomCommentMakerPerson]

​@@adriannavarrete9332lest...

[@adrenjones9301]

Not at the same time, right? Right?

[@RandomCommentMakerPerson]

@@adrenjones9301 she won't be a mother, more of a, what's the word?

[@maxthemad19]

Minthara really channeling my mom with the whole “my kids wouldn’t live to speak to me like that”

[@gillybby4143]

I too, heard that line and was instantly transported back to my childhood.

[@tropeadope4532]

Minthra is interesting to me. There's these strands of what looks like genuine goodness in her woven together with plain faced evil. A good example is how she says her mother taught her everything she knows and that one day she hoped to kill her, but she acknowledges readily that her relationship with her mother is not one that should be copied.

[@GhalanSmokeScale]

I always thought that putting all members of a race into one box, saying everyone of that race is just irredeemably evil, is just plain stupid. Okay yeah, it makes it easier for the party to fight a bunch of Drow, Kobolds, whatever. But there's always outliers. Always individuals, which, while not abandoning the path outright, perhaps, are just *more*. Minthara is that individual.

[@fjalarhenriksson]

If you think she is evil you really need to get some real life experience what is evil about her exactly. Its just you tat is soft as a marsmallows butt

[@cloudburstdrones]

The bit of self awareness at the end ❤

[@Akario3]

That's my favorite part.

[@hiddenhawk13]

I just simply have to do the exploit to get minthara without destroying the grove, because her dialogue is both haunting and brilliant

[@ztp1]

you don't need to do an exploit anymore, just knock her out at the goblin camp/during her attack on the grove.

[@sweetrolldealer]

@@ztp1 to add to that, when doing so do not engage in dialogue with her. I did that and she never showed up to moonrise so I had to do 2 hours worth of content all over again.

[@hiddenhawk13]

Both of you are godsends

[@HHuynh2011]

​@@hiddenhawk13 So is Minthara! The Grove will suffer our wrath no longer! Unless we choose so :)

[@jusscocro772]

Here's the trick to getting minthara. You need to knock her out in a "temporarily hostile" state. That worked for me. I did this by going on a character other than your origin (in case you want to romance her) and just steal shit next to her until she aggroes. At this point don't long rest until the Grove is fully resolved (goblin priest and hobgoblin are dead)

[@55rz55]

I keep saying that she isn't evil for a drow. I was right, she's downright a beacon of light.

[@Modoreddo]

Eilistreans : Are we a joke to you ?

[@MisterCynic18]

​@@Modoreddo Yes.

[@55rz55]

@@Modoreddo I wanted to write "if only there's some way we can have a story about her facing Lolth and finding Eilistraee on the way", but it was way too long lol

[@imakecrappyvideos9360]

She's evil compared to the drow characters I make lmao

[@n1gtwhisper158]

If yours are lolth-sworn then she will put out a hit on you​@imakecrappyvideos9360

[@orcrist7847]

Jaheira listening in the background like 👁👄👁

[@Currumpaw]

Y'know, it'd be funny if Minthara was a strict mom in public, but when it's just her and her family, she's the adoring mother who gushes at her children at every milestone.

[@sajadfadhel7727]

She'd probably be like that if the one she is with is a good person and outside of drow territory

[@mentafe8764]

for drow standards, minthara really loves her mother...she is even willing to wait to kill her 🥰 so cute

[@comicstrider4851]

When the girl you're down bad for because of your mommy issues has an arguably worse case of mommy issues

[@DrMintster]

I like how she's talking like a typical drow here and at the end is like, "Okay, now that I've said that out loud..."

[@joseyance3933]

Minthara gives latin american mom vibes with the whole "if they spoke of me like that, I'd kill them"

[@Elfprincess_]

I don’t think Jaheira’s children disrespect her or she has little less love for them. I 100% believe that the way they talk is how they show love and affection to one another. Sarcastic, tough and rough but they clearly love each other. The reason why Rion speaks “disrespectfully” towards her mother is because she was scared, relief and angry with how she suddenly left without talking to them. But in Jaheira’s defense. She love her children so much she’s couldn’t bear to say goodbye knowing it maybe her last time seeing them. Charging towards kethric thorm and the absolute is no easy fight after all. Maybe seeing her kids for the last time will kick in her mother side and leave the harpers just to keep them safe. And that’s not her. Jaheira is a good mother. And Her children love her very much.

[@Salamander_falls]

I agree. But honestly: that’s something i love about this game. There’s so many different characters that feel alive, that have perspectives and experiences that feel real and honesty to human nature. Not everyone can see from everyone else’s perspective. The world feels big and the people feel diverse!!!

[@Kulayyu]

Whete ia Khalid still out buying milk?

[@nathanieljefferies5491]

@@Kulayyuyeah he is buying milk at the store in the fugue plane

[@luciesimpson6437]

@@Kulayyu Oof. Give it another twenty years...

[@abduljah9355]

Yeah you can even see that dynamic in her interaction with the PCs, where Jaheira gives approval points when you push back on her / criticize her actions or even make fun of her. I think that's just how their family dynamic is, it's not disrespect it's how they show affection.

[@donskiver]

She has a point. Keeping your children sheltered and naive only makes them easier targets to those who would exploit them. You cannot get rid of evil in the world. The best you can do is arm them, prepare them, teach them skills and knowledge so that they have a means of fighting back against said evil when it decides to rear its ugly evil head.

[@fossilizedanimals5503]

But to only show conflict and violence means to have that be only what exists. To forget kindness and brotherhood and simple peace

[@fjalarhenriksson]

@@fossilizedanimals5503 he never said "to only show" that comment said more about you only being able to turn to the extremes please stay out of politics

[@stephenantonsson_II]

It’s cool how minthara is unapologetically and asshole while also being aware of that and not wanting other people to be like her

[@johnwendel702]

Also Minthara when she gives birth to a boy: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined" although that might not be the case since she is not a follower of Lolth. She may even be progressive by the standards of Menzo Baranzan

[@RaccKing21]

She'd do the "Dictator" bit. "Awww, it's a boy. Oh well, where's the trash can?"

[@airachica]

"Life is conflict". Damn... that hit hard 😢

[@disboundedx8038]

Minthara honestly has the best dialogue and extremely good delivery of her lines.

[@justchris5834]

She ain't a good person because no one wasn't a good person to her. She grew up believing that any form of interaction was a form of deception. That basically drow society right there. But you can change that because the only good thing that ever happened to her was. You. She's the loner of the party that you want your friends to be her friends because she's really down to earth (no pun intended) Kind of gal.

[@_Lumiere_]

She also grew up as a privileged drow female who likely sadistically exploited males.

[@xepher5479]

I love that even she recognizes her relationship to her mother isn’t normal

[@trilobite-knight7746]

Minthy has her own mommy issues confirmed

[@ExperiencePath]

I smile whenever I heard Minthara breath

[@Wellshem]

Her hehehe laugh are so cute

[@OroborusFMA]

My impression is that unlike most Drow Minthara has a conscience and all the evil that she does, or believes she must do, does cause her pain in her heart.

[@Diresilence]

"Huh... you know what, maybe I shouldn't judge her to harshly, now that I think about it.." But yeah, given her lineage, she'd have to be ruthless just to survive her own family reunions

[@MellowMink]

I love Minthara's adorable laughs of mischief.

[@georgeberwick7431]

funny that cut content was meant to have Minthara be pregnant

[@ghostlyswat12]

Honestly when I played the game and she said life is conflict I actually when huh she has a good point actually

[@ShreddieMurphyy]

God I love Minthara.

[@gamingcinema8836]

Minthara: "Jaheira is a terrible mother." Jaheira: 🧍🏼‍♀️

[@Pineapal]

Jaheira being right there with the kurt angle stare

[@lorisceleste1860]

I love her so much it’s unbelievable

[@rojczan1399]

Honestly Minthara's VA makes everything she says punch 3x harder, all the lines are delivered in such an unique way you really are split between "she's evil(no context of her past" and "she's so COOL"

[@Mediados]

The depth in Mintharas character is impressive. She is undoubtedly evil, but she is intelligent and can also be kind. At the end she even acknowledges that she may not be right with her opinion.

[@shibernyan2009]

The 'life is conflict' part is actually facts. There was a hint of sadness in her tone when she said it though, I wonder what that was all about. Ow and fun fact, Minthara can actually get pregnant in a Durge playthrough....or at least it's suggested she is. Some cut content also straight up confirms she's pregnant.💀

[@dianabarnett6886]

Acknowledging the harshness of life doesn't mean you have to revel in it.

[@impishlyit9780]

@@dianabarnett6886 I don't think she revels in it, not truly. She pretends to, I think, but you can hear the sadness in her voice. She wishes it wasn't harsh, but she can't see another way to live because of how she was raised.

[@Achuidian179]

And that’s why the dark urge should marry her!

[@alexsysoev7774]

Butler sais the same to Urge if you ask him about maybe not killing there love interest. He's like "Oh sure, mary, fuck, make more Baullspawn, its all good."

[@fjalarhenriksson]

@@alexsysoev7774 baal*

[@davioliveira5963]

If you exclude the part where she says she'd kill her children over disrespect, she really sounds very wise.

[@theUndeadAngel]

right lol. "Minthara would make a better mother..." Minthara: "I'd kill my kids if they spoke out of line" huh? lol

[@gravemistakes8427]

The fact that Jahiera is RIGHT THERE makes this ten times fucking sweeter. I dont care how mad she get, KEEP COOKING!!!

[@Spheronic]

Life is split between co-operation and conflict. No action is entirely either, and it is between those two pillars our lives exist. Children then must be taught that both are necessary and how to distinguish between the two.

[@anozymous1]

I think she has a truly healthy idea of how a family should work.

[@Jay-ju8tc]

I want more Minthara so bad lol

[@savevsdeath]

....this is the woman of my dreams.

[@Hikarixhikarixhikari]

The ending, my stomach hurts, she's so funny and not even trying.

[@mase5995]

Fun fact: there is actually cut dialogue in the game files she becomes pregnant (I think if you romanced her)

[@shibernyan2009]

Not just cut content, in a Dark Urge playthrough with romanced Minthara, Sceleritas says that a child between you two 'may be already underway'. Of course that's not a straight up confirmation, but the clear suggestiveness of that phrase combined with the cut content makes it pretty believable. If she isn't already pregnant then it's still suggesting it will probably happen sometime in the future....💀

[@j.a.r.5974]

lets just hope that if they add it again they take away drow pregnancy lore. that shit's fucked.

[@SusanaCanales1]

@@j.a.r.5974 bruh. Mind telling me about it? I have little to no exposure to DND beyond this game so I’m not familiar with Drow lore.

[@j.a.r.5974]

@@SusanaCanales1 basically drow women will have twins, they will cannibalize each other on the womb and the mom essentially gets off on it, described as more euphoric than anything a drug or bedroom activity could produce. It's shown in the books at one point when someone tried to use it to torture someone by linking the pain of childbirth to another and it didn't yield the results they wanted. I think the reason why this happens was explained by saying that it's the only way a female drow would ever put up with being in a vulnerable position and having children.

[@An_Average_Idiot]

​@@j.a.r.5974..so what, like sharks but somehow more fked up?!

[@GritchigoXxX]

Love this, because Minthara reminds me of my own mother so much to the point of detriment, and this same attitude only gave us years and years of emotional neglect which evolved into trauma😅😂

[@spectralspectra2282]

She's so insightful, man i need to get her on my next play through, back in the day you couldn't get her while being a good person

[@superbrian7997]

I really like Minthara so much. I just did the “New Recruit Minthara With The Knock Out Method” that Larian Studios recently introduced. She’s like the most soulful and deep traveling companion that we have. I hope LS make another patch that lets us have Minthara in our party during our travels in the Underdark. That was her home after all. And it could be very interesting to hear what she has to say about being back there. You can’t go home again and all of that as they say. Or will she not want to leave?

[@OneTrueNobody]

Jaheira's just sitting there listening to this two feet away.

[@jimstoesz3878]

"If my kids spoke up at me, I'd kill them" isn't exactly what I'd call good parenting...

[@_Chaosnight_]

For a Drow that is the best parenting you can get, other Drow parents would torture you thil you take back what you said and then feed you to the spiders or make a slave out of you Minthara is the chillest a Lolthsworn Drow can be

[@charlesboots6508]

I was expecting "I would cut out their tongues," because she's in favor of taking a hand from thieves, rather than executing them.

[@MisterCynic18]

School of hard knocks

[@dianabarnett6886]

Hey, if your kids are that dumb in drow society, they're gonna end up dead anyway.

[@nerscyllam4735]

Minthara is how you write D&D chaotic evil characters well. She's often cruel and unforgiving, but self aware about it and makes no apologies for acting how she wants at any given moment.

[@President_Weeb]

THE CHUCKLE?!? I love Minthara so much wtf

[@Kat1kafka]

Her outfit is driving me nuts

[@MALICEM12]

It's like 2B's

[@GENERAALBRYAN]

Is that shit even a basegame outfit or do people just mod everything cosmetic wise for YT shorts

[@dieltolo6112]

@@GENERAALBRYAN the second one, Scantily Camp Outfit is the origin of this one

[@marcuss.abildskov7175]

Doesn't suit her at all

[@arthurkaramazov8932]

Damn, truth in every word she says. I want to have wife like Minthara ❤. Bravo Larian for amazing lines

[@xMaugrex]

Tbh just the fact that she can say her family isn't the best example is kind of proof that she would at least be a step in the right direction with her kids

[@aftmidnight]

minthara is incredibly wise !!! i love her sm

[@rustkarl]

What I love about Minthara’s character is how most of her more psychotic attitudes can be traced back to the life she’s lived to the point that such cutthroat ruthlessness is both second nature and matured by necessity from her surrounding environment. Unlike most examples coming out of said environment doesn’t redeem her or break her worldview but does give her just enough distance to see why it doesn’t fit with the rest of the world. She’s never really given a concrete reason to abandon it either, even if such lengths are perhaps not a necessity in other societies they would instead be an advantage within such softer societies. She does have some personal walls she may let down and gains a modicum of self-awareness through which she might let the player see some vulnerability, which still places her apart from many Lolthsworn, providing a much more palatable insight to the mindset of that culture.

[@chalupabrain4360]

How can Minthara not be everyone's favorite character? Lol

[@blackstar-genX]

Preparing them yes but I without turning them into loco killers

[@driftingwolf0]

Not Loco killers, but murderers with discretion.

[@MisterCynic18]

Minthara is a perfectly rational and methodical killer.

[@mike21378]

She was gonna kill a whole grove of people for the absolute. That sounds pretty loco to me

[@driftingwolf0]

@@mike21378 While being basically brainwashed into doing so. Not everyone with the tadpole has the benefit of having the artifact that allows for you to not be mind controlled.

[@MisterCynic18]

@@mike21378 Mind control. She even says she wouldn't have done it while free of the absolute's influence, which kinda makes it odd helping her do it was initially the only way to recruit her.

[@kiyoshi058]

Minthara has a true beauty when she looks sad, mournful or sympathetic. Then she gets angry or blood thirsty and it goes out the window 😢

[@abduljah9355]

Minthara: "Soon I will murder my mother." Also Minthara: "All things considered, my relationship with her might not be the best model to follow." Yeah, we pieced that one together ourselves, Einstein.

[@MyViolador]

I agree on her 2nd dialogue , sheltering people will ruin them in the Long run

[@shamanahaboolist]

Mommy Minty is my queen 😂

[@Albus_Rex]

Minthara is THE best companion in the game. Her only downside is she isn't readily recruitable till Act II. Every playthrough I do, I float one of the lesser companions (Wyll for instance) until I get Minthara.

[@wealthybone2990]

I think they both would be great mothers I mean they already got the "mommy" part.

[@msssontran623]

I love how they portray Drow society through Minthara it’s pretty funny 😂

[@fosaimaginator3920]

Jaheira: Um.. i'm right here

[@joshuazane3210]

"Life *is* conflict." Truer words have rarely ever been spoken.

[@laurencedixon5307]

Another video that demonstrates how i feel about Minthara "That is very wise..... You just had to ruin with what you said after"

[@tyrant-den884]

Agreeing with her is what changes her mind.

[@JoseTorres-ry9qe]

Geez Minthy, for how pragmatically calculative you are, you sure wear some skimpy armor

[@SunnyTide]

In some way, I agree with her. If I talked to my mother that way, i would see this 🩴 flying towards me

[@cinnamonsparrowdesigns]

Dude she's the best. I loved having her as my Durge's ride or die.

[@derrickbonsell]

Nah, self-aware evil is still evil. More so even because it acknowledges that it's wrong but still does all the same things anyway.

[@colinnixon7739]

Lae zel and minth are considered soft in their own races 😂😂😂 Crazy

[@JohnSmith-bn5mi]

... she's clearly one of the more evil companions, but dammit, she's right about a shitload of stuff too.

[@GeneralAkAbA]

Silence, Minthy "my dear" has spoken!

[@murderycatdoll1380]

I Love her Voice so much!

[@mr.e3123]

Minthara really said. my children only have one mother, i can have several children.

[@WolfyFancyLads]

I mean, both are right. Jaheria is right to try keep her loved ones from the risk of death, but Minthara is right to say they need to know how to kill just incase. It's wise to avoid putting yourself in danger if you can, but it's wiser still to know how to kill that danger should it be unavoidable.

[@peachibread1983]

I like how she has the self awareness to be like "my life is fucked up so don't base my relationship with my parent as a standard"

[@Muzzle1300]

Glad they made it so you can recruit her while saving the grove, she has such a unique perspective on everything and falls squarely in lawful evil but enough leeway to allow her to go into neutral, her being evil feels like it’s just natural and practical given the circumstances of the world and when presented an alternative she’s open to it. “Life is conflict” but she says with hesitation meaning if she can avoid conflict then she would but that’s an ideal the pragmatic solution and reality is to be prepared.

[@gillybby4143]

Holy shit, Minthara makes me think of my grandmother. She was a hard and realistic woman, not really maternally warm, but practical and effective.

[@p.butters8997]

I love Minthara

[@Velkhana22]

Eh I dont really think someone who "coddles" their kid is a worse mother than someone who (quite likely seriously) threatens to murder her own child for simply being disrespectful.

[@cainescouten-chappell362]

Gods, that laugh at the end.

[@mhc706]

Her heart died with Khalid in Irenicus’s dungeons, torn to pieces each time she heard his screams followed by the silence death should have brought, but he was not allowed the peace of death, he was brought back and tortured over and over and over. Her heart died a thousand times in that dungeon, and from then on the feeling of love became synonymous with the screams of endless torment.

[@foraminuteforaminute4056]

The only Baenre that I'd trust to be a good mother is Liriel.

[@gabrielsemipro]

"Minthara would make a better mother" also Minthara "Speak respectfully or they're dead" lol

[@SumOfMan]

She basically said "I brought you in this world I'll take you out" 😂

[@Bluntz1289]

Drow have been and always be my favorite elf race. I love all dark elves in any universe but the Drow will always be my favorite dark elf race ever

[@David9413]

I am honestly surprised that she had the insight to not consider her relationship with her mother the ideal example.

[@ubu6420]

jaheira standing right there lmfao