Clip from Atheist Experience

[@TruthSurge]

"the bible has withstood the test of time" Obviously, he hasn't read the Bible. It has NOT withstood the test of time. Bats are not birds. Rabbits don't chew cud. Sheep do not inherit their coloring by mating in front of striped sticks. Donkeys and snakes do not talk. Killing children for hitting their parents is not morally right. Owning another person is not morally acceptable. And the list goes on for miles.

[@tofu_golem]

More important than the Bible is Bible scholarship (e.g. textual analysis). While the contradictions in the Bible are damning enough for a document supposedly written by an omnipotent being, the origins of the Bible are generally a more compelling reason to reject Christianity.

[@Noah837]

Paul T Sjordal What contradictions? Care to point them out? How many biblical commentaries have you read for a fair and accurate biblical exegesis?

[@TruthSurge]

Paul T Sjordal I would disagree from the standpoint that each person rejects it for what THEY find untenable. It MAY be this or that. For me, it was the flood account. There was no way the earth was totally covered with water. No way all animals could fit into a boat that size and survive in total darkness for a year. etc. I would claim that the origins of the Bible would not be knowledge easily accessible to a Christian or even one already doubting. They can easily believe men wrote it and even made mistakes or they crept in over time due to our fallen nature. :) I think contradictions and story silliness are good starting points for doubt. Trying to get a Christian to understand the multi-document theory of the OT... not so much, I think.

[@TruthSurge]

Noah837 How many apologists does it take to explain away a light bulb? That every living animal (1 and 7 pair) were in a boat for a year without any light or adequate ventilation in quarters so cramped as to not be able to run or walk, is a contradiction of common sense. No apologist can explain that away.

[@tofu_golem]

Noah837 Too many thousands to list them all here. Google "skeptic's annotated Bible". By the way, if you do go to that web site, it's also a great resource for you, as they also have a "skeptic's annotated Quran" and a "skeptic's annotated Book of Mormon". The most obvious one is that the Genesis account lists the order of creation two different ways in two different places. So was the Bible wrong when it said that man was made before animals, or was it wrong when it said man was made after animals? You can't have it both ways no matter how much spinning you try to do.

[@picmman]

I remember being 10 years old, sitting in church and thinking....." this is a bunch of bullshit" 🙂

[@kosys5338]

I remember being 7 years old seeing people pray and wondering, who the heck are they talking to. Praying people were crazy people to me then, actually praying people are still crazy people to me. LOL.

[@BrickBuilder50]

It’s pretty sad that a 10 and seven-year-old can figure out that there’s something wrong with this but full grown adults. Well there Batshit crazy

[@wesstubbs3472]

I had OCD about my nightly prayers. What if I forgot to ask god to bless someone and they died? I'd be responsible. Then, one night as I was praying, I had an epiphany: What if no one is listening to this? I later learned that this was the normal development of the capacity for abstract reasoning in the 12-year-old human being. Some people never develop it.

[@JB-zd8gv]

The devil made you his biatch at an early age

[@stephensarkany3577]

​@@kosys5338the advent of bluetooth headphones is masking all the crazy people that walk around talking to themselves.

[@psyekl]

Step 1: Bring up the topic of slavery in the Bible. Step 2: Watch 'em tap dance; musical accompaniment is optional.

[@wesleymiddleton1401]

But muh context tho!!!

[@patrickmcelrath4962]

You’re now listening to In The Mood by Glenn Miller!

[@souplife1]

Matt: answers a question Jonathan: moves goalposts another mile back

[@puckerings]

You can tell by the way he repeats Matt's final question about determining that God is the good one and Satan is the bad one, that he's never considered that question before. Never even occurred to him. Hopefully he went away and actually considered the question.

[@phillipmoore9012]

I looked up "elementary particles" in the Bible and didn't find any references.

[@westoncampbell1268]

You dont have the right context... I've spent 20 minutes trying to find a verse that I could use and pretend to be a apologist but I dont want my IQ to decrease.

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

You don`t say, what about air-planes and other technology, sure there must be some "user manual" how to drive a car, or something ...............................

[@lisahenry20]

@@ralfhaggstrom9862 wasn't there an apologist who compared the bible and a car manual

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@@lisahenry20 Yep, hilarious .............

[@oljo0527]

My right ear enjoyed the argument.

[@haroldcrenshaw5630]

ilikebiskits deaf in your right ear?

[@otn7196]

I thot I earphone went deaf

[@geuwglesuxballz6074]

Fuck both of your ears.

[@thickerconstrictor9037]

GeuwgleSuxBallz intelligent point

[@Vezmus1337]

Matt sure gave that guy an earful

[@richo61]

Matt was devastating here. He has it all at his fingertips and the theist is like a dazed bunny in the headlights.

[@crypastesomemore8348]

Devastating? Common sense is always devastating to irrational positions.

[@Robett-r4l]

​@@crypastesomemore8348yes Christians have no common sense and the caller is the typical Christian

[@dericanslum1696]

..."I personally haven't looked into those scriptures"...tale as old as time...song as old as rhyme...

[@genelaw9]

6:20 until Jonathan actually starts his argument. It never fails to amaze me how many callers, intelligent or not, go into the discussion trying to bait or trick the host into saying something, while hiding their true intent. If you have an argument, state it, attempt to back it up, and then discuss. I can imagine that Matt would pay good money to have a "fast-forward caller" button.

[@LeggoMyLamb]

Yep -- every theistic argument requires some kind of smoke screen, misdirection, invalid premise, or faulty connecting of dots. You know it's coming...just a matter of time. I remember a recent sequence with Russel Glasser where, in his polite manner, gently interrupted a rambling caller to summarize their First Cause argument BETTER than the called would have been able to do it! I'll try to find and put up that short segment. In the meantime, the other AE video I posted shows a great example of the misdirection technique: From Atheist Experience #841: All you need is LOVE (aka God)

[@culbycove4963]

They did introduce a format in later years that gave callers an allocated time of 60 seconds to ask their question, it was a good way to filter down some of the lead up chat that usually takes up time. Not sure if they still follow that format or not nowadays, the crew has had some big lineup changes in the last few years

[@orcodrilo]

man.... the bible does not even know what an atom, electricity, calories vitamins, red cells are, and people still want to bring it above science.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

If God had put the equation for the electro-magnetic force constant, or the answer to the unified field theorem in the Bible, there would be no doubting it's divine origin. If there is a God, he's a twat.

[@SeRoAnthem]

jay jayjay hahahaha

[@modernillusionist5017]

jay jayjay On what basis?

[@Hoplasa]

Jay jayjay was just a butthurt troll obviously xd he delete his comment

[@Felix-rc4wv]

The bible isn't talking about those things and I'm sure science textbooks in the future will have more information than the science books today. Also, people are not necessarily putting the bible above science as if it's against science. There are many Christian scientists...

[@outlaw2747]

The bible only served to supplement my atheism towards the Christian God.

[@DannielCatania]

The christain god is just as fictional as the rest

[@christopherianlister5212]

good man

[@drg8687]

If this is the best you got theists then please just stop already.

[@lazyh-online4839]

Oh no, it gets worse.

[@TheFounderUtopia]

This is the most vague, indirect-speaking person I have ever seen. He spent about 50 words for every single one that was required to construct a simple question. I couldn't understand what he was trying to say most of the time because he was doing these figure eights around the points he really wanted to make.

[@davids11131113]

Pretty sure Jonathan was just a bored atheist trolling, the part I laughed at most was when he brought up the 'Higgs Boson Supposedly Particle', then said the hosts probably never heard of it and then went on to say science is baffled by it....they're trying to apply it to a scientific model but are stumped. It's funny to me imagining all the scientists in lab coats all standing around scratching their heads going 'Wait, WHAT the fuck??' :D

[@anthonyhamilton7778]

You must not have seen many AE call ins!!

[@brynpookc1127]

Jonathan always want to leave a back door to wriggle out of.

[@MrLogo73]

"It always cracks me up when Christians say things like "why don't you study the Bible more indepthly?" I always answer, that it's the same thing with heroine, which I don't have to take to know that it's bad.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

for a book written by a superbeing - the bible takes a lots of "contextualising" and studying to "understand it properly"

[@92brunod]

If Christians actually read their Bible indepthly there would be WAY less Christians

[@MyITRcom]

Heroin is bad for you not because of how pure it is, but it gives you a reward in your brain you didn't really earn. A very high potential for dependency, a lot like religion actually.

[@henrikbger4111]

that's pretty much my stance on Justin Bleeper

[@PaddySnuffles]

MrLogo73 Besides, if I don't ascribe to that religion why would I bother wasting hours on end closely studying the text? When someone comes at me with that kind of argument one of my go-tos is to ask them why they don't take the time to study the Koran/Torah/the Eddas/etc.

[@wwjudasdo]

9:21 "The Higgs Boson supposedly particle or whatever". Matt went easy on this dude.

[@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube]

Listening to Matt Dillahunty speak is always such a logical treat for my brain

[@snowylocks4684]

I love how this guy keeps trying to "explain" the bible to Matt by bringing up popular movies and tv-shows, as if he's talking to a teenager. And everytime he does it, there's that condescending little chuckle. Kudos to Matt for staying calm, polite and respectful.

[@mrpinkroo]

I think this guy has already made up his mind. He has a presupposed position and is trying to rationalize his beliefs based on that position. I think this caller is not interested in new ideas.

[@NutnRoll]

People are more interested in what they think is more beneficial to them. We need to somehow make them see why being skeptical is good for them.

[@arjanstam78]

Isn't that the whole idea. Indoctrinate asap in early childhood: "God is good, this is true, and NEVER EVER doubt this, OR ELSE!" Someone who agrees to something being true and OK out of fear for eternal retribution of the most horrible kind, has little incentive to even consider an alternative, but rather a pretty strong motivation to stick to the existing story, no matter what. One will have to really risk eternal damnation (or, at least: feeling it this way; accepting it as a real possibility) for having the audacity of fully commiting to truth via intellectual honesty (instead of via Jahweh; one can't have both commitments at the same time. Think of it as a compass) in order to be really free to (potentially) get to the bottom, and out, of it. One can't even reason oneself out of this prison without consciously choosing to follow reason and accepting the consequences whatever they may be, so let alone BE reasoned out of it.

[@LAkadian]

Theists always do that.

[@KirkSH52]

It is logically absurd. Matt hit the nail on the head. It's ludicrous.

[@TheComputec]

I find that most of these conversations on the Atheist Experience mirror a similar experience we can all relate to. have you ever been on a bus or a train and struck up a conversation with a stranger... nice polite conversation to start with then they say something weird or inappropriate... its only then that you glance down and see that this person is wearing a full business suit but is wearing flip-flops and they have a barbie doll peeping out of their inside pocket. ... you realise you have just had a conversation with a full blown pidgeon licker

[@mysterymonk9]

Love it! Woman walks in and engages me in conversation, eventually turning somehow to god. She says she believes in the Word of God. I asked which word of god? And started to name off various holy texts. Woman stares at me as if I'm the crazy one and slowly walks away.

[@jimchatt3074]

"full blown pigeon licker" I've got to steal that!

[@lazyh-online4839]

Hey, the man who gave us modern electricity was in love with a pigeon!!!

[@jilliansmith7123]

Andy Rains: yeah, she probably spotted your Barbie. Just kidding. You were lucky she walked away.

[@jilliansmith7123]

Who gave us modern electricity? And was it a boy pigeon or a girl pigeon? Did they have kids? Were they formally married? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@davids11131113]

'We discovered the Higgs Boson Supposedly Particle, but we don't really understand it, therefore there's 'something on the outside looking in' and that's 'bible God' ...utter rubbish.

[@davids11131113]

Matt gives a overview of how the bible story is just absurd....Johnathan replies by saying Matt can understand it by watching 'The Walking Dead'......what?

[@mitchhaelann9215]

davids11131113 Comic books turned TV series do often have better moral stories that the Bible does, but I think John was trying to say that God is right for encouraging people to lock up tings that may harm them, missing the point that biblical slavery had nothing to do with safety or judicial punishments.

[@davids11131113]

Right, and even in his example, locking up some friends and relatives in the barn, it was just misguided. The guy thought maybe he could end up curing them but he couldn't....it was just pointless.

[@brucebaker810]

Walking Dead as model for the Hebrew martyrs all rising from the grave to chill with their family for a day?

[@robturner7288]

I think the caller is wrestling with his religion. Hopefully he makes the right call.

[@DamarisJohnsonnakomiah]

Jonathan doesn't know what goes on in the bible, yet he special pleads his god

[@Grabovsky85]

Matt's rant at the end has to be one of his best. Just amazing.

[@Ejaezy]

The fact that the guy still tried to make excuses after Matt's tirade is absolutely ridiculous.

[@whollypotatoes]

He has a loose collection of thoughts that he hasn't really mapped out well. There are so many people who have a thought, and believe it to be true simply because 'they' had it. Its very difficult to discuss things with people who have already decided they're always right and think they're much smarter than they actually are.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@whollypotatoes This is what I got from the first couple of minutes into his part of the dialogue. He offers ideas like "So you use the scientific method to determine if something is rational or irrational." It must be tough to have to handle these concepts while making a determined effort not to think too carefully about them, in case some dangerous heresy rubs off. The only way to be safe is to treat them as cryptic symbols defined in terms of other cryptic symbols. But interestingly, one can do that. All formal axiomatic systems do it, and very usefully too, because they are both internally coherent and also produce a wealth of nontrivial results. Science uses mathematics and logic all the time. But science isn't principally interested in the power of concepts for their own sake. It's interested in the reality which appears to exist all around us, and indeed within us. So science, utterly unlike math or logic, must be grounded in evidence. I think that distinctions of this kind may be lost on many people. We've failed somehow to include the basics of epistemology in mainstream education. It's such a basic subject! It touches everything. I feel for this caller somewhat in the way I would feel for any random person. Say that an innocent space alien comes to this planet and begins to ask some random person on the street about, I don't know, the basics of medicine, or power generation, or how jet turbines work, or economic theory, or why there are so many different breakfast cereals on store shelves in the US but hardly any in Europe. The poor guy in the street has to say, dude, I have no idea about this stuff. It's not part of my daily life. Nobody told me that I should know any of this. And the poor alien is like, but who can I ask? How can you not at least be curious? I don't mean PRETENDING to be curious, but genuinely curious, ready to revise your understanding? So I kinda feel sorry for the alien too, getting such a bad impression of humans when in fact we have so much potential.

[@RB-CB_ML812]

27:44 Talk about walking dead. When you get peppered with logic bullets and still drudge on without a light bulb moment you must be walking dead

[@henrikbger4111]

he can be "walking dead" as much as he wants for what I care ... but does he have to be "talking dead", as well?

[@tylerkasuboski3366]

GOD (Creator of ALL things): "Oops, those humans aren't doing what I like, guess I gotta wipe 'em out." WHO can honestly believe this shite????

[@joshporter5205]

"But that doesn't sound like the god found in scripture! ... the scripture I haven't actually read."

[@6chhelipilot]

The Higgs Boson particle was predicted, and that prediction came true. It's a miracle from God! lol

[@eamontdmas]

Please refer to it by its proper title which according to this geezer is, "The Higgs Boson, supposed particle or whatnot".

[@pretzelogic2689]

Correct. It was predicted by theory. Science didn't have to "refit" anything. In fact, if that particle had NOT been found, the theory would have been in deep do-do.

[@curtfrederickson8113]

I think he thinks, bc we called it the "god" particle, that there is something to this...lmao!

[@davids11131113]

That’s true, it’s proper technical name is ‘The Higgs Boson Supposedly Whatnot Particle’

[@jonathanhernandez3292]

Matt took the caller (and the audience) to school hard core. Learned a bunch from this, impeccable logic Matt :)

[@apinakapina]

One of my favourites! A theist listening an argument, not taking any time to understand what actually was said, and picking a keyword to make a fallacious reply.

[@adam2aces]

Matt bottled up till the last 5 minutes, then he unloads complete Bible destruction.

[@barnabyaprobert5159]

+adam2aces" It's a good thing."

[@LeggoMyLamb]

Hey everyone, I posted Matt D's bible rant from this video at Best 200 seconds of Bible ranting ever! There were audio and video problems in the live episode, but there I cleaned and enhanced the footage (sound from both speakers now!)

[@LegendConsole]

Starting about 24:40 in I believe is what he means.

[@uparangi7933]

Good job my man.

[@ivarlavins4165]

One thing I noticed in this video that this Jonathan NEVER even considered, or would admit, that he himself might be in error. He just knew, or pretended to assume that obviously Mat was the one, who was wrong. Ha, ha.

[@magoo1950]

Ivar Lavins Reminded me of listening to Breitbart hosts and callers.

[@baxtar1963]

Matt is the most logical man on the planet. In five years of watching him I've never seen anybody get one up on him.

[@DB-xz1sb]

OK this guy was not that bad. He tried, he's not right but at least he was not rude or angry ?

[@plekkchand]

At least he didnt come to the show and murder the host. So he's not that bad.

[@thickerconstrictor9037]

plekkchand I didn't mind him. At least it was a discussion and not some moron saying I believe and I'm right

[@puirYorick]

He WAS fundamentally dishonest though. A master at tap dancing and attempting to build a word salad. Whenever they begin by telling you what you believe from a strawman blueprint and end sentences with "...correct?" You get a solid hint they're working from an apologetics script trying to herd you through their silly maze of fallacious breadcrumbs. He did keep on sounding polite though.

[@Cyba_IT]

I was impressed with his ability to brush off Matt's rant about the absurdness of the OT and jesus so quickly. This obviously wasn't his first rodeo.

[@spaceghost8995]

The caller was hardwired as a child to believe blindly in a book he clearly STILL HAS NOT READ.

[@cooloox]

That was a fantastic video!! You handled the caller in a respectful, calm and collected manner, and answered all of his questions with logic, facts and common sense.

[@Pac0Master]

Plus, the called seems to accept the fact that he may be wrong and maybe even try to inform and think more about his belief. I agree, that was a pretty good one.

[@iduncareanimore]

totally agree, i believe this is due to the caller being considerate and allowing them to fully explain themselves

[@isaachaze1]

this is matt dillahunty at his best. not getting too angry, not hanging up on the caller, calmly making his arguments. wish he was always like this

[@neuntausendlux]

i do like every matt. he hangs up on the stupid, ignorant and overtalking. rightfully so.

[@RSCL_BEATZ]

when you break free from religion; you set your mind free. Everything becomes real.

[@raysalmon6566]

Depends If you ignore Jesus You won't know the truth

[@ryanplum6678]

ray salmon did you even watch the video? Because you are so far off the point. First of all that comment was 4 years ago. Second of all can you prove that Jesus is the “truth”

[@raysalmon6566]

@@ryanplum6678 On what basis are you seeking the truth

[@ryanplum6678]

ray salmon you didn’t answer my question. And I have no burden of proof. You asserted that Jesus is the truth. I want to to know how you came to that assertion.

[@raysalmon6566]

@@ryanplum6678 No it is not an assertion Jesus fulfilled all of the some 300+ messianic prophesies that can't be done by liars

[@ozskipper]

One thing I have noticed about Atheist videos is that they leave the comments open for open debate. . There are soooo many creationist videos that attempt to challenge Atheists and Evolutionists that block comments and prevent open debate. Just sayin!

[@davids11131113]

Almost none of the religious apologist videos allow comments, they know they can't stand up to any criticism at all....bunch of bigmouth cowards is what they are.

[@ozskipper]

davids11131113 Exactly. They run a video with some ridiculous story. But close the comments to prevent it being challenged. Sadly, that is a real head in sand attitude. We, as humans, only learn by challenging. Thats how we know the earth "isnt" flat and that Thor doesnt make thunder.

[@MikeTall88]

The newest of the atheist experience vids on youtube have disabled the comment section. They do explain why and they have a tread open where you can discuss the video instead.

[@jack8898]

It is all they can do, as they are living a lie based on nonsense, they are for most part preaching to the choir anyway, exposing of falsehoods, lies or long debunked crap will often get you blocked. They don't like it and certainly don't want any one else to see or check it out. Just see how many became atheists by researching the evidence provided to them or by critical analysis of the bible. So like little children they want to appear to win (partly an ego problem based on lack of self identity) so they will change the rules as they simply declare they won and avoid thinking or rational discussion and logical thought. It is they only way to maintain belief against the reality.

[@ozskipper]

Jack Sluyters Show me some evidence to stop me being an atheist. Show me some evidence that jesus existed and turn me into a believer

[@jacopman]

All you would have to do is find a verse like James 5: 13-17 claiming that when you are sick call the elders together and anoint you with oil and pray with the laying of hands and you will be healed..........well try that for a burst appendix verses going to the emergency room at the hospital..............end of story. If they got that so wrong what else did they get wrong...............in science you throw out or revise anything that doesn't result in a working model of consistency and predictability within reality until you find a model that works. I rest my case..............

[@pgdubon1]

seriously wtf is this guy's point?

[@loki2240]

Science is unreliable? The Bible is just as reliable as the scientific method? The Bible is more reliable than the scientific method?

[@davids11131113]

He just wanted to be on TV apparently.

[@almightyshippo1197]

One thing the fundamentalist theists need to understand is that in science, we throw out all preconceptions first, then we observe/analyse, and connect the dots. We don't go out looking for evidence and connect it to a god or not. Scientific method allows us to see something like gravity, without knowing anything about it, then observe it and it's effects, and follow the evidence to a logical conclusion. You can't just add a god on top of that because you want to.

[@jimlovesgina]

A logical conclusion like dark matter, right? Galaxies don't move as we would expect so there must be something we can't see. It couldn't possibly be something wrong with our observations. It must be dark matter! I won't bother with dark energy, but it's the same thing. Conclusions before the evidence seems problematic in science as well.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@jimlovesgina I don't understand how you can have a problem with assigning a name like "dark matter" to an observation that the orbital mechanics of galaxies is consistent with more mass than we have been able to detect by other means. It's not a "conclusion," it's just a convenient label for what, for now at least, is an interesting open question. Open questions are what drive science. Is this concept somehow foreign to you?

[@A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid]

27:30 - Matt goes thru the *entire* comedy of errors from beginning to end. Caller: "To help you understand..." 😵

[@kentonbaird1723]

"To help you undestand" Then that god failed once again. Add that to the long, long list of failures.

[@neorich59]

I love how this guy keeps mentioning the "Holy" Bible as if the word "holy" gives it some weight, or kudos. There's little, or nothing "holy" about the Bible IMO! 😉

[@moduscorp]

Matt spends four minutes showing you the complete ineptitude of your God and the ridiculousness of your obviously man-made religion and what would you do? Make a lame, halfhearted attempt at an analogy to the Walking Dead television. It's obvious that this caller already came to his conclusions a long time ago and only now is he actually trying to somehow logically rationalize his absurd beliefs that he simply refuses to let go of. After every single logical point Matt has made he just responds with a, "Yeah." and moves on to another esoteric interpretation of this idea he is in his head of a God and of a Bible, the supposed word of God no less, that he has obviously never even bothered to read.

[@noctisocculta4820]

Funnily enough his TV analogy ends with God slaughtering the humans out of fear for his own safety.

[@davids11131113]

'The ancient texts have the answers'.....first of all the bible isn't that old, far older complete texts exist so their age means nothing really.....also much of what is in the bible is ludicrous nonsense, there's really hardly anything in the bible that is even much of a big deal today, 'answer' wise.

[@brianmonks8657]

"You will have a new life, in Christ." In Christ??? Do we become gut bacteria? Do I really want to spend eternity inside of someone?

[@davidsteel7588]

Matt you are right there is no god, but you still have the patience of Job ;}

[@RespiratoryDrive-vy9ih]

Hinduism is much older than the hole(ly) bible. So by his own logic Hinduism trumps the bible.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

Interesting call. The caller seemed to have nothing at all to say. Just sort of some basic pro God platitudes.

[@jamspiders4154]

The "god particle" was just called that to mock the creation concept

[@paulvonblerk9365]

I have just listened to this clip again. One of Matt's many best. Matt trashed and eviscerated Jonathan. If this was current I'm pretty sure Matt would have to told him to just f.... k off, and deservedly so once it got to the slave and father topics. Matt you have no idea just how grateful I am to you for teaching me to use logic and reason. Thank you.

[@hippocritic]

This guy said something when talking about free will that is typical of theists when trying to justify many subjects regarding the bible when he said "it's a very mysterious subject" and he doesn't think we can "wrap our minds around that process". Because so much of it is counter-intuitive, so what really should be straight forward ends up forcing people into some bizarre feat of mental gymnastics to make it seem moral.

[@LeggoMyLamb]

Good! That point aligns perfectly with the "ancient text" theme of this upload. Because stories about these alleged miracle events were told such a long time ago, it adds to the fog which enables the theist to more easily detach fantasy from reality. For example, imagine if a newly published book claimed that some guy in the middle east just waved his arms and made the Black Sea literally part in two. Undoubtedly, those same believers would suddenly apply skeptical thinking! Why aren't they applying that to the Biblical claims? -- the laws of physics haven't changed since then.

[@ultimattttt1]

But it is so mysterious... uh nah. Free will is an illusion. It's a chain of infinite events as I see it. People find it hard to understand how thinking works. You make your own decisions, but quite like a computer, a calculation takes place (effected by: hormones, distractions, mental capacity, memory etc) and the out come takes place.

[@EarlMalmsteen]

LeggoMyLamb A common example I was thinking of today related to this fog effect is necklaces with crosses. I think society in general is sort of detached from what the cross is. If Jesus died for the sins of all humanity 10 years ago, just imagine the number of people walking around with necklaces and bracelets decorated with electric chairs. All those crosses on churches and at car accident sites? Electric chairs.

[@TheBeatKeeper]

I think that those who do mental gymnastics to justify the otherwise unjustifiable actually have a horrible character flaw. They are basically lying to themselves.

[@Bonko78]

EarlMalmsteen Haha, it bears to mind that the religious token of Thor was the hammer-necklace (which later morphed more and more into the shape of a cross, used by the secretive heathen). The hammer is a weapon of war, which isn't contextually much different from wearing a torture/execution device either. But I guess there are quite a lot of people who wear necklaces with AK's or revolvers even today, though without any religious significance. Come to think of it, that's kind of how most people wear crosses too.

[@davids11131113]

'Satan made a bad choice and was condemned'....this is the most interesting literary aspect of the bible to me that here's this central character god who conducts global human genocides and many other monstrosities, but there's this 1 guy who points this out and doesn't like it and rebels, yet he's the 'bad evil one'? Well I'd have done the same thing myself.

[@philiprivers7439]

I thought that Matt was very patient with Jonathan. I could not understand Jonathan's question or point if that was what Jonathan was trying to make. Yet, Matt engaged him calmly for nearly one-half hour of what I thought was complete incoherence by the caller. Matt remained calm when the caller denied the Bible promoted slavery.

[@Abraxas1177]

Do not bother to discuss anything with believers, they are not up to think, they believe. No amount of evidence will change their minds. For them, when reality does not fit their beliefs, then reality is wrong, it cannot get any worse than that.

[@Hunter_Brandon2]

As soon as someone mentions The Matrix in any philosophical or scientific conversation, my solipsist alarm goes off and I start to see visions of brains in jars. Then I take the gun out of my mouth, release the hostages, and remind myself that people are silly.

[@Cyba_IT]

And the walking dead

[@LAkadian]

That's bc you're not too bright.

[@smileyraw]

I have never heard an actual argument that truly focuses on why the God in the bible is real as opposed to atheism. It's always an argument about the possibility of a God. OK, yes, maybe, but considering that the notion itself was sparked by human's and their wonder of the world and not actual events or evidence, the debate is mute.

[@GodsArePeopleToo]

'slavery is inconsistent with who god is' not only did bible god tell them who to own and enslave (as well as how badly they could be beaten) he also dictates how much you should demand when you sell your own children into slavery

[@rcchristian2]

+GodsArePeopleToo Hey you.... ha ha!! Too true! What I've noticed in watching these types of videos and the videos of Kent Hovind and his son (and other young earth creationists etc) is that they use the same techniques in debating. They try to get someone to answer questions to follow a logical path. (or what they think is logical) But what I've noticed is that when asked a question, young earth creationists tend to not answer the question right away with a YES OR NO and try to side step the logic because they feel they may be led in to a path of logic. But I've noticed that Eric Hovind uses this same technique and many times the atheist, won't answer either yes or no either. Also Dillihunty is sometimes doesn't give a yes or no answer right away... Just an odd observation that both sides do the same thing... At any rate, this one was a good one by Dillihunty. It's hard to beat pure logic. The way he broke down the bible quickly in a timeline with quick logical explanations is pretty hard to deny :) I'd have to say this was his best use of logic and common sense so far that I've seen. Showing how the model used in the bible negates free will anyways, has no consistency and is actually absurd, is a great way to show the scientific method at work. YOU SAID "he also dictates how much you should demand when you sell your own children into slavery" The easiest way to believe the bible, is .... not to read the whole thing! :)

[@AdmiralBison]

+Robert C. Christian Yeah, because they tend to follow a script.

[@rcchristian2]

Duane Locsin I've been watching a bit about the Scientologists lately... they seem to have the same script, it's just about Xenu instead of god...

[@humbertojimmy]

I think what he had in mind (but failled to realize) was that slavery seems inconsistent with the god that christians have popularized; a god of good and love. But again, their god always seems to have the same biases they do (i wonder why) and is often cruel and opressive and discriminatory... so, on second thought, it fits like a glove after all.

[@lightofjoyministries9429]

Do you know what is true slavery, that you are in when you are away from Christ.

[@jaotree]

This break down of the Bible is by far, the most underrated monologue in history

[@ur2c8]

How long did it take you to realise that the caller was never going to get to the point and was incapable of making a coherent argument?

[@magoo1950]

ur2c8 Thirty seconds. As you age it becomes more and more obvious how intelligent people speak and the tones they use. This guy is not very intelligent. But like the Russell quote, he is damn sure he is right despite having no foundation or facts for any of his beliefs.

[@TheSchakalify]

I was very lucky. My parents were too lazy to indoctrinate me properly. Otherwise I would be a religious moron beyond help, like most of them.

[@strengthinweakness1]

Most religion is false. Most religious people believe in a false system that they believe insulates them from God thru appeasement and a false promise that if they try hard enough they will be safe in the after life. All these are doctrines of demons. Your parents are deceived.

[@modernillusionist5017]

TheSchakalify That's not exactly true. It's also an insult to yourself. I was indoctrinated pretty strictly. And I was able to escape.

[@bms77]

strengthinweakness1 all one has to do is believe in Jesus Christ and accept his "free gift" of salvation and ask him into yer heart right?? Lol

[@DocZom]

One of Matt's best rants ever in the last ten minutes.

[@AStoicMaster]

May just be me, but the caller's background ambiance was very distracting.

[@arios1977]

Wow, that was the best summary of the bible I've ever heard

[@petesampson4273]

We needn't look to anything as complicated as quantum mechanics and field theory or even Standard Model physics to spot the gaps in the Buybull. If one looks through those bits which describe the nature of the world and its geography; there is not one mention of Antarctica, Japan, Australia, the Arctic regions of Europe and Asia, or the entire western hemisphere. Every mention of geography is consistent with what a Bronze Age inhabitant of the Mideast would know from their own travels, and the few travelers they would meet, with absolutely no hint of knowledge from anywhere else in the world. Zero. Not one word about more than half the globe much less any hint of recognition that the world is, in fact, a globe. (NOTE: It's actually an oblate spheroid rather than a true globe but what's a little physical distortion among friends?) If someone finds a genuine ancient text that talks about the "vast land west of the Western Sea that stretches from the snows of the north to the bitter seas of the south" then I might begin to consider there might be some information in the Moldy Book that would pass as science but, until then, I will continue to point and laugh at anyone who claims there's anything valid or reliable in the Buybull. In other words. The Buybull has been stood up to the test of truth since the time it was discovered and has utterly failed every meaningful test.

[@CyeOutsider]

Jan Hald How pathetic. Make stupid comments then disable replies. You got owned, troll! You basically just admitted it.

[@LeggoMyLamb]

The Jan Hald troll has been banished.

[@modernillusionist5017]

+LeggoMyLamb I'm not saying I like trolls, but accusing people of being trolls has become a cop out response to intellectual opponents. It's easy to beat someone in a debate when you accuse them of trolling.

[@BobbyHo2022]

You wanna hear how I shook off Christianity. Well we were brainwashed to be equally yoked. Meaning, date only Christians. I was pretty involved back then. Went to church alot. Prayed alot. Helped with the youth group. I got my first real gf. She was a Christian. One day I met her dad and she got yelled out for dating me. All we did was hold hands and I was 21. She told me the next day she prayed to God and he said we weren't spiritually compatible. My response. You only felt that way cause your dad is super controlling. If God was really speaking to you you would have come to that conclusion before he yelled at you for having your first bf, which was me. And she was my first. I realized, its all bullshit psychological shit shortly after this experience. I quit the church like a year later and 21 years later I've never gone back.

[@joshporter5205]

"I haven't looked at those scriptures.. but I definitely know what they say and exactly what they mean!"

[@puckerings]

It's amusing when the caller says that people look to the Bible for a rationalization about their world. That's surely not what he meant to say, but he accidentally spoke some big truth there.

[@gamebred5x]

I love it everytime when Matt gives a timeline of the scripture. He's the fucking 🐐!!!!!

[@davids11131113]

It's crazy how this Christian caller who sounds intelligent enough listens to nothing at all in a discussion and just keeps defaulting back to what he believes no matter how many ways it's shown to be faulty. The bible hasn't stood up to any real test at all, and what we can actually test for like the 'Genesis account' are actually proven to be made-up fables at this point.

[@FactStorm]

That's what indoctrination does.

[@starmorrison310]

Poor baby jesus, everybody kicks the shit out of him. Nobody ever fucked with Thor!

[@starmorrison310]

Cheers!

[@ChaingunCassidy]

Except the holy orders that eliminated the Norse religion. I'm an Atheist but I'm all for historical accuracy.

[@bonmot7850]

Clearly you have never read the Thor comics. He gets fucked with a lot in those.

[@starmorrison310]

Liz R Well sure but he returns ripe and ready every episode. He may not always win but he never always loses.

[@bonmot7850]

Moving the goalposts! Booooo!

[@LeggoMyLamb]

...and here is the entire Jonathan call re-posted with audio enhancement: From AE # 835: call with Jonathan - AUDIO ENHANCED

[@TheSenecaHighlander]

***** LOL... Hathaway must have deleted his idiotic comment.

[@safriwan44]

[@TigreModerata]

Free will is very mysterious😂😂 you have free will, but you'll be punished if you wear mixed fabrics, but not if you buy and sell humans. Very mysterious indeed.

[@dkkempion8744]

New Argument: The Old Faithful (the geyser) Clock. If you were to build a clock that functioned on Old Faithful's eruptions, then your clock would be ever-so-slightly off with each eruption. Given time, your clock would be very wrong. Yet, the word says the geyser erupts faithfully. Therefore, the clock isn't wrong, then it follows Nature must be wrong. Moral: A concrete statement made on an observation that lacks credible and diligent consideration is an opinion and will necessarily be inaccurate - regardless of the amount of time it takes to become outright wrong. The gods end here.

[@jesterc.6763]

Freewill is the excuse christians give to justify that god has no fault for all the wrongs he's done.

[@loly1969]

the MATT , one man atheist factory

[@humbertojimmy]

Free will... the last card! Whenever a christian has no more arguments against God's immorality, he plays the last card (which is really a red hering, a way to muddy the waters and evade away) which is: "God wants us to have free will". Well, sorry, but the 10 Commandments already mess up the free will thing, to start with. From the moment God makes contact with humans and gives them an explicit set of rules they must obey, there goes free will flying to Neverland. What free will can possibily be left after God having introduced Himself and ORDER humans what to do?

[@jimbobeire]

+Jimmy David "mysterious ways" is the last card. "Free will" is 2nd last.

[@shanewilson7994]

+Jimmy David I think the presup card is the true last card. It is the automatic "I win" argument because you declare you win from the beginning, and unless you agree with them, you are automatically wrong, despite all of the flaws of it.

[@humbertojimmy]

Shane Wilson That's not even a true card, that's just crazy territory... Lol.

[@ImplosiveCatt]

+Jimmy David As far as I understand christianity commandments supposed to be considered as law but you have freedom to choose to obey or not. But in reality that couldn't logically work because if you truly believe in god than you have reward or burning in hell. It's unrealistic to expect believer being so stupid to deliberately choose hell so there is no option nor Free Will.

[@ImplosiveCatt]

sevenrats I actually think that he may be just an incompetent idiot who has no idea what he's doing.

[@skuuvatakis]

Ancient texts stood the test of time because billions of people are credulous.

[@coletrickle1775]

A full dose of Dillahunty. My new bands name.

[@pgdubon1]

nice

[@brucebaker810]

Double Dose of Dillahunty?

[@jazzpot8o]

It's actually more entertaining watching Matt's expressions change while Johnathan builds his next attack!

[@robsmith2844]

This was awesome, especially towards then end when Matt got tired of answering stupid questions and just took over.

[@Lord_CV]

15 years later, and we hear the same exact conversations

[@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube]

To add to Dillahunty's point about free will being inconsistent with Jonathan's beliefs, here's one point I like to bring up about free will. Religious people always point to prophecies in the Bible as a form of convincing evidence that it's an accurate book. Setting aside that the prophecies are an armful of vague, unimpressive garbage, if we were to grant that the prophecies were accurate, this would have to mean that free will does not exist. If God had the foreknowledge that certain events would occur, it would have to mean that, from the time that the prophecy was made, every person from that point on would have to live their life doing exactly what they did and nothing different, otherwise the prophecy wouldn't be fulfilled because the future would be changed. It's the butterfly effect, basically. So if you accept that prophecies in the Bible are true, you can't hold the position that God gave us free will. The two ideas are contradictory.

[@codedlogic]

Best walk through of Bible history ever! Absolutely love Matt's rant from Adam and Eve to Christ.

[@Sercil00]

I'm amazed how calm Dillahunty stays throughout, and how he barely ever interjects to destroy things such as the blatant pascal's wager. Must have been tired that day.

[@DuhIdiot1]

This guy doesn't actually sound all that dumb to me (13 minutes in, anyway), but he is a terrible communicator. Just put your thoughts into simple, straightforward words and then spit them out, dude.

[@Ianx50]

When the guy mentioned that scientists should look no further than the Bible to understand where particles, in this case, the Higgs Boson, came from, I really wish Matt said something along the lines of "Oh really? So what does the Bible tell us about fundamental particles? That they were created by God? Alright, what does that tell us/what can we learn/how does that further our understanding?" Explanations from the Bible have a bad habit of dead-ending like that.

[@logicreason2736]

How many theists actually read and understand the bible or just take the word of others to tell them what the bible says and means? Why are there so many versions of the christian bible? How do you know your bible is correct and all the others are wrong?

[@brianjaeger9565]

Caller: "In Greek, belief and trust mean the same thing." Really, does this caller speak Greek and is he familiar with ancient colloquial expressions from antiquity?

[@Tommyr]

I love the AE but some of these callers make me want to reach through the screen and beat them even more senseless. Kudos to Matt and the gang for all their patience. I'd explode at some of these people.

[@HobbMuffin]

So many trolls in the comment section, and even more people taking the bait. Don't waste your time, guys. Unless you know that the person you're going to discuss with is of decent character and honest, you're just wasting your time. You could make the greatest argument ever constructed in opposition to a religious claim, and they would refuse to accept it, because they've brained washed themselves into thinking what they believe IS without a doubt, the truth. therefore it's not worth examining any alternative claims, seeing as it's impossible that they're true if they contradict the absolute truth.

[@LeggoMyLamb]

The Jan Hald troll just got banished. Most of the other threads look okay to me (Edited20's mindless copy/pasting notwithstanding) .

[@davids11131113]

I don't even concern myself with having to come up with spectacular arguments against religion, I'm just waiting for the religious to justify their assertions for their beliefs at all.

[@JohnSpike8888]

+Bible Bill That, which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. And you have provided NO EVIDENCE for your god.

[@JohnSpike8888]

Bible Bill You mean this banana nonsense? Are you kidding?

[@JohnSpike8888]

***** I wouldn't be so sure. Many of them are so removed from reality and uneducated (or educated just by other educated morons), that they don't even know, that they are using "arguments", that have been debunked a million times over by now.

[@patmacrotch5611]

This caller is completely incoherent...

[@Rhodair]

I was cracking up so bad at this. Matt gives quite possibly the greatest Bible rant I'd ever heard, and then the guy STILL tries finding a way to get Matt to understand by making an absolutely horrible Walking Dead reference about Hershel and the barn. Spoiler: Hershel realizes he was wrong.

[@MichaelMeridius]

Peter Higgs won the Nobel (2013) Prize and not C.E.R.N, which ruffled a few feathers. As for the caller, his thinking is befuddled with religious bias, confusion, ignorance and blind faith. He also failed in his straw manning and general apologetic attempts.

[@joemiller7082]

Change is good. If something was wrong, I want to be able to amend it to make it better, not to bend over backwards what I know to fit a narrative.