Starship Lore : NX-Series - Humanity's Failure

[@marr_velz933]

The NX-01 is my favorite enterprise. It feels so uniquely human

[@LoreReloaded]

I agree.

[@hellhound7572]

Agreed

[@sgtwhisker26]

It’s the little engine that could of starship.

[@GamerFromJump]

I like the ENT uniforms. They look like something people would actually wear in space.

[@kormanTheShadowLord]

The NX-01 was a cool design

[@DarinRWagner]

Personally, I loved that the hero ship of ST: ENT was underpowered for the vessels of her era. She got stronger in the last two seasons with the addition of photon(ic) torpedoes and enhanced hull plating, but she was still no match for typical alien ships. The NX-01 being an underdog like that really endeared her to me.

[@ChromeDrakeGaming]

I must admit, I was very nearly turned off by the first 2 seasons of Enterprise (not because of the ship). However seasons 3 and 4, sans the ending, really were excellent 'Trek. I definitely agree that the tenacity of the crew and the underdog status of the NX-01 was a large factor in that.

[@WesStacey]

@@ChromeDrakeGaming They eventually got energy shields as well. Which helped in combat yes but also fixed one of the biggest issues they had early on. Polarized Hull plating doesn't stop transporters. They crew on more than one occasion had issues with people being abducted or having supplies stolen simply by a ship flying up beside them and transporting people/supplies right off the ship then flying away.

[@KawaiiSoulB42]

We started in space super late ofc we be the underdog lol

[@andromidius]

I think the thing that made Enterprise so durable was its design and redundancies. It could take a pounding, look like shit, but still run reasonably well. Only the warp drive was fragile, everything else on the ship seemed able to take direct hits repeatedly without coming apart.

[@danamoore1788]

A deserved underdog. Instead of 'top of the line flagship'. Yes still out done by anyone and everyone. Yes.

[@Yetti38]

I like the NX 01. She's always over worked, under powered and out gunned. Yet she takes a beating and wont go down without a fight. The way the show was written it showed the crew to know how to sqeeze every last ounce out of her only to find out she had something in reserve

[@erojerisiz1571]

buckleyadam4 that's what makes is human

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

It was a great Ship. Worthy of the name Enterprise....but than again considering it was the first Enterprise that went into deep space it is more fitting to say...the constitution class NCC-1701...was the one worthy of bearing the name of thise Ship. Same goes for the C and D...the A on the other hand....yeah...not so much....and the B...well i bet it would have been worthy of the name;..if it have been Tuesday.

[@ancaplanaoriginal5303]

@@neptuneplaneptune3367 what about the E? I'm sure no other Enterprise saw that much action in such a short lifespan. And the last time we saw it it rammed a freaking reman warbird.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@ancaplanaoriginal5303 the enterprise e made mincemeat of those sonar ships and with help destroyed a borg cube and a sphere

[@blairbrown4812]

Those qualities and traits found in the NX Class Starship, are a reflection have humans, and ultimately lead the other species of the Galaxy that valued freedom equality and Liberty Above All Else to join with humans to form both the Coalition of planets and ultimately the Federation. The annex class was unlike anything other species has ever seen before. Sure it was primitive, horribly under powered and under gunned, and likely held together with spit and baling wire. But it was that Never Say Die attitude that you alluded to that led the other species to respect and admire Humanity, to see them more name the Primitive barbarians that they first appeared to be, and ultimately lead the other species 2, at the very least listen the humanities idea about bringing all the like-minded Allies together to form a permanent Alliance or Star Nation that would balance out Klingon Empire and the Romulan star Empire.

[@RGC-gn2nm]

Enterprise felt just what it was like to be on a fancy nuclear submarine. They got it just about right.

[@operator8014]

Not enough shameful secret gay bj's.

[@IgoByaGo]

I remember reading a TV guide write up on Enterprise before it was released. They said the US Navy helped with designing the ship. They wanted to make it as much like a submarine as possible.

[@Nemoticon]

That's how I felt with the original Klingon Bird of Prey...

[@jmd1743]

@@IgoByaGo It's going to age the best. Like the the BSG Colonial ship designs, and the SG1 Tauri ship designs.

[@Paul-A01]

Minus all the headroom

[@Dracotonis]

We can say one thing though, the NX-01 was built to last, the beating that ship took in the entire series and could still be refitted in a testament to to Earth's build quality even with less advanced technology and defensive systems.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

I would argue it was BECAUSE of the less advanced technology that it was tougher. They couldn't as easily mass produce ship parts or get them to the ship as they could later when the Federation was a thing. It had to be built to last.

[@85Funkadelic]

The 4th season of Enterprise is some of the finest Star trek ever made. Hate it if you want but those are some excellent episodes!

[@icepicjoey]

I agree. They found their niche and it fit. If they had avoided the whole xindi time war and time police nonsense I think they would've had their 7 year run. More effort into a non canon breaking original story...like in a mirror darkly with the Tholian Web tie in. The time war that magically reset... eh.

[@Ami-vh7sr]

It would have been better if during the 4th season they continued the Romulan storyline leading up into the Earth Romulan War, instead of doing the Mirror Universe Episodes and going into the whole Terra Prime BS.....

[@Samuleish]

I agree if they could have just have had a few extra seasons I think they would be rememberd alot fonder

[@audigex]

The Xindi/Time War stuff was bad - it's such a shame they didn't focus more on early interaction with the Klingons, Romulans and the formation of the Federation. Shran and the Andorian/Vulcan interactions were the best parts of the whole series and they really worked.

[@Samuleish]

@@audigex I thought the xindi stuff could have been a 4 parter or something

[@tmikeb28]

I loved the very basic level of technologies in Enterprise. The NX01 didn't have the insane super God-Like tech from other shows. We didn't have dialogue like: "Captain, we seem to have entered a pocket of subspace and it's beginning to crush the hull." "Use an inverse tachyon desplicer to reharmonize the subspace quantum fissure and disentangle the particle flow of normal space time." "It worked. We're free." End credits

[@domjal]

LOL you know you’re a fan when that dialogue actually makes sense!

[@DieHardjagged]

Lol that dialogue would perfectly fit in an TNG episode.

[@WaveForceful]

In ENT we got this instead...... Reed "Captain, there is something......" Archer "What is it Malcolm" Reed "I dont know sir" T'Pol "Our sensors are unable to analyse what it is Captain but it is surrounding us" Reed "Hull plating's down to 80...60...no 20% sir T'pol "The hull is fracturing captain" Archer "Travis get us out of here!" Travis "The helm isn't responding, we cant form a warp field" *BANG* Archer "What now" Reed "We've been hit by some kind of energy pulse" T'Pol "It's called a tractor beam Lieutenant, we are being pulled out" Archer "Well looks like we owe Some one........" "Well well well, how many times do I have to save your ass PINK SKIN....."

[@LIONtib]

@@WaveForceful God I loved the characters in Enterprise, and Shran was one of my favourites.

[@WaveForceful]

@@LIONtib Or this Archer "Phase cannons.......fire" Reed "Firing......no effect sir"...... Travis "Sir, A ship just dropped out of warp...." T'Pol "An advanced vessel, our sensor beams shatter against it's shield" *BANG* Reed "We've lost hull plating" T'pol "The advanced vessel is attacking the hostile ship, The hostile ship has gone to warp" Hoshi "The vessel is hailing us" Archer "lets see what they want" ????? "You owe me like 10 times now pink skin.

[@justinfreeman5601]

To quote a great pioneer in human advancement, Anthony Stark,” Sometimes you have to run before you walk.” The fact that it was so underdeveloped and hilariously out classed is what makes it my favorite. The NX Enterprise is a brilliant light that cuts through the vast, daunting depths of space. It is the very definition of the human spirit and I love it. I love the Enterprise series because, frankly; I love an underdog. Who doesn’t? Long live the NX01

[@Rockin_Ross]

This was a very underrated show among Trek purists. As a fan since 1976, I for one was pleased they addressed the pre-Kirk and Spock era. And Scott Bakula was great in this role. The ship itself fit this time and was well thought out. Even the actors of later series’ were jealous of the jumpsuits Enterprise people got to wear. “Jumpsuits and ball caps??!! That’s paradise compared to spandex!!” Great video, man!!🖖

[@BungieStudios]

I've recently been watching Trek for the first time in chronological order. I started with Enterprise. I liked the show. Kinda corny but very enjoyable. The uniforms look great and familiar to something we might wear. I was pleasantly surprised when the uniform made a return in TOS episode Metamorphosis. Cochrane was wearing the same jumpsuit. "So that's where they derived it from!" Nice bit of continuity.

[@deltasyn7434]

Prequels we’re all (and still kind of are) the rage back then. The series had potential but they really squandered a lot of it in a way worse than they did Voyager. Selling a prequel is always tough because as an audience we generally know the outcome. Thus, the writers need to deliver that outcome in an interesting way whilst respecting Canon. And if you can’t do that, you just claim everything is an in documented experiment and travel 3,000 years into the future. And you get the mess that is Discovery

[@captbrody5036]

I completely disagree with your title. The NX was not humanity's failure. It was humanity's claim to the stars. It was our time to get out from under the wing of the Vulcans and shine as who we are. The Vulcans learned a lesson from the events of Enterprise. We are much more adaptable then they thought. I think this stems from the difference in the lifespans of the two species. Im sure that the lack of emotions has a lot to do with this as well. While the Vulcans saw potential in our species, the Andorians saw OUR potential. I believe that fact is a large part of what made the Andorians more friendly to us. My fandom of Star Trek starts in the days of the TOS., I always liked the Andorians, and didn't care much for the Vulcans. I never really understood this until I watched the enterprise show. No matter what anyone says, we are fighters. We always have been and we will always will be. We just need to be provoked first. Remember the old saying, don't push the Pinkskins to the ice.

[@LoreReloaded]

we all have our opinions.

[@captbrody5036]

@@LoreReloaded This is very true.

[@yukadoo]

"Humanity's Adventure" more like it....

[@spicyfoodchaser9406]

In one the episodes sarek had a talk with archer about how fast they rebuilt the world in less than 100 years and would surpass them when it took the valcans 1200 years to rebuild.

[@aracuron9956]

@@spicyfoodchaser9406 Soval you mean, T'Pau is relative young at the time of the Show and seems to have no family at the time, she is said to be sareks Grandmother.

[@leewoods6777]

To possibly explain the Franklin's designation, NX designations are almost entirely experimental (see NX 2000). If a ship fails its test, its problem is either corrected for continued tests, or is commissioned as an NCC designation ship, keeping the serial. If a ship is decommissioned, destroyed, or re-purposed, the next ship may be named in recurring numerical order. Simply because a ship holds the designation serial of 326, doesn't mean that 326 working ships are present, simply that the ship is test variant 326. Look at it kind of like an experiment number. Some serial designations may be thrown out before production even begins etc.

[@yshwgth]

Like WD-40

[@Das_Tipples]

I just class the JJ verse as just that, and disregard the Kelvin encounter malarkey.

[@revdraco]

@@yshwgth Or Formula 409

[@ancaplanaoriginal5303]

We don't know if the NX-2000 failed. As we know, the first "transwarp" experiment may have been what gave us the TNG warp scale.

[@emsleywyatt3400]

Another word on registry numbers. My personal take is that it works like this. When a new starship class is approved an initial bloc of consecutive registry numbers is set aside for the class. If the class is a "flop" it may never get past that initial bloc of numbers. But if it's a success, like the Miranda or the Oberth, then subsequent ships built after the exhaustion of those initial numbers just get assigned some random number. This theory can explain both close and widely variant registry numbers for the same class of ship.

[@BirdOPrey5]

The NX-01 is the most believable warp powered human vessel ever created. Enterprise was so underrated as a series in general. I didn't appreciate it at the time but I do now. And I actually liked the opening song too.

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

as a show Enterprise was good, love the cast, love the ship and all the tension, suspense, drama action etc was great, I just wish they could have done the 5'th season as planned but at least Andromeda and Babylon 5 made it 5 years, those were really good shows too....

[@aztn19]

Faith Of The Heart was a oddly catchy theme that fit the show perfectly

[@williamprice4269]

As do I birdofprey. I am actually binge watching it now on Netflix.

[@Rattlepiece]

5th season of Andromeda was absolutely horrible though, sadly.

[@maxcaesar6873]

I really like the song, very inspirational.

[@davidgraflex2065]

Archer was such an interesting character all he wanted to do was explore planets and new cultures but he instead he had to go to a darker place and become more of war like character.

[@TessylOlliipOp]

indeed

[@Pandaemoni]

And Mirror Universe Archer was such a highly-strung nut job one wonders how he managed not to get killed earlier. Scott Bakula was really chewing the scenery with that one.

[@super_ficial]

A Skywalker is someone who can leave their body on command. This happened to me as a child, but it was out of my control.

[@NCC1371]

I thought most people hated Scott Bakula as archer.

[@DavidKnowles0]

Then he had to become a politician and help create the federation.

[@Voron_Aggrav]

the NX-02 could not have become what it was without the NX-01, and that's one of the things I loved about Enterprise, Every answer they came up with was genuinely new and on the fly, and while doing so didn't step on the timeline like a certain other show... Kirk, Picard, Janeway All could build upon knowledges gained all the way back to the NX-01 and even more so because of the Federation background,

[@sneakycactus8815]

I love how the show explained how red alert became to be a thing. The crew was completely out of their minds because of a black hole and Reed was going psycho over his (and I love how Tucker puts it) "Reed alert".

[@aracuron9956]

@@sneakycactus8815 not psycho, only overfocused on one particular thing until becoming maniac over Findling the best solution. Fact is, later while sneeking through the mide of hell, the Red alert protocoll saved the ship, so yes, Rees was maniac about his project, but the project had it's worth. No matter how it was implemented, not even what it was implemented against Captain Orders, it proved it's worth and got accepted by the Captain and later the fleet, cause it makes sense.

[@DoctorX17]

The NX-01 is one of my favorites aesthetically. I love the way that it looks less futuristic than some of the other ships, and more like I'd imagine a starship if we built it _now_ [with the exception of all the 4:3 displays... that's just _weird_ man] I love that it shares a lot of the most iconic components of the NCC-1701 -- the nacelle configuration, having a saucer section... but it has a more unique layout. The deflector dish is another nice detail -- it's inspired by the original, but it's not just a copy. The fact that the warp reactor was horizontal instead of vertical was also another nice design choice to jive with the original series.

[@adammclaughlin845]

The NX class threatened the Nausicaans, fought off the Klingons, survived in the Delphic Expanse for a year on its own despite being catastrophically damaged without possibility of repair (thereby saving the Earth), repeatedly escaped from ships that were faster than it, outsmarted ships that were more powerful than it, and neither the Romulan-controlled Vulcans nor the belligerent Andorians wanted to open fire on one. "HUMANITY'S FAILURE"

[@LoreReloaded]

What a weird way to say 'constantly got the hell beat out of it..was unprepared as admitted by its captain and nearly got destroyed over a dozen times but survived due to plot"

[@adammclaughlin845]

Lore Reloaded So it's a bad thing that a ship which was unprepared, undergunned and under-protected survived against the galaxy's dominant powers and saved its own species from destruction? And its crew were largely responsible for creating the Federation?

[@onevastanus]

Read the title again. This time try to understand.

[@erinasherton8411]

When was It That They faught The nausicaans?

[@sigmacademy]

And plot "armor". ;P

[@erictaylor5462]

5:00 To be fair, Enterprise was launched without a very good idea of what to expect. But lessons learned by the Enterprise could be applied to Columbia before it's launch. This is not just something in Science fiction. The same is true of just about every "first" in history. The first is usually carried out with a lot less information than later ventures, so one would expect later ventures to be more successful than maiden voyages.

[@seraphina985]

Exactly, the worlds first jet airliner suffered multiple catastrophic failures due to metal fatigue because of lack of information to realise that maybe square cornered windows on a pressure vessel were not such a great idea just as an example.

[@Alpha121198]

Yeah, in fact did you know that for the Apollo 11 Mission to the moon the astronauts were told that there wasn’t enough data known to determine how durable the space suits used were? The scientists were so scared that falling over could doom the men to slowly die of suffocation because they couldn’t get back up, would damage the sealing of the suit. That’s one of the reasons the flag was planted so close to the shuttle. Anything to far from the landing craft was considered too risky. It wasn’t until they examined the suits after the mission’s return to Earth that it was found they could get a little banged up on the lunar surface.

[@Willaev]

@@Alpha121198 But not too much. They definitely needed thicker overboots while walking on the Moon because the infamously abrasive lunar dust wore through all but the last layer on Neil Armstrong's suit.

[@captainjack3166]

Like the Enterprise constitution class. It wasn't the fi st ship but it was certainly the first to do alot of things. If it weren't for the exp riences of Kirk's enterprise Starfleet wouldn't have half the regulations it has

[@kercchan3307]

@@captainjack3166 like not sleeping with every hot alien?

[@DMSProduktions]

I liked the NX ships! Sleek yet clearly more primitive than what came later. More 'real world!'

[@sattercaster1]

I really like how "primitive " it is compared to later versions. It's very utilitarian, and serves its purpose without luxury. I personally loved the enterprise show, maybe even my favorite. Definitely close tie to ds9.

[@sebastian56309]

I really like Star Trek Enterprise, I was so upset when they canceled it. I wish they would bring it back.

[@xowishuwereherex]

Blame the mouth breathers and mindless , useless idiots shows like American Idol for its cancelling. Dumping it on Friday night against the biggest shows of reality tv also didn’t help.

[@Swiftbow]

@@xowishuwereherex The first two seasons did an awful lot of damage to Enterprise, too.

[@jakearmitage7811]

@@xowishuwereherex It was cancelled because CBS had just bought out Paramount and their CEO Les Moonves wanted to take Star Trek in a "new direction" and the result was three shitty movies and two shitty shows made by people that know jack shit about Trek. Enterprise was the last of the Paramount Star Trek franchise, everything after that(JJ.Trek, Star Trek Discovery, Star Trek Picard.) is CBS Garbage Trek.

[@xowishuwereherex]

@@jakearmitage7811 JJ Trek sucks balls

[@xowishuwereherex]

@@jakearmitage7811 Les Moonves set it up also for failure going head to head with mouth breathers real shows.

[@BrowncoatInABox]

Actually NX is a registration the US Navy uses for all Naval eXperimental ships just not aircraft carriers And NX-01 is my favorite Enterprise and i love Archer

[@BrowncoatInABox]

Me personally when i look into the future i see more Firefly than Star Trek ENT

[@BrowncoatInABox]

ThePicturetaker yeah It sucks but there is no doubt we will use all our resources on earth and need to leave

[@DrewLSsix]

Wait What. The continuity issue isnt with the Franklin, its with Archer calling Enterprise an NX class. Thats like Kirk calling his ship the NCC class.

[@Vanilla0729]

Heh. Plug "NX211" into google and see what your first result is!

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Really, huh? US Navy term? Never heard that. Some old sources say NCC means Naval Construction Contract. Others vaguely suggest old class names were combinations of letters, so might be an NV-class fro the 22nd century Intrepid say.

[@Zeoinx69]

Despite what most Trek fans say of the Enterprise Show as a whole, I actually thought it was decent and I've enjoyed it and Yes, it did have a lot to do with the ship being so...pragmatic looking then say, next generation which looked like a living room movie theater with fancy looking couches for people preparing to watch Starwars : A New Hope.

[@LoreReloaded]

a lot of people are coming around to it.

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

I never disliked it. Still watch it

[@WillisRude]

I'm not sure the 90s trek style, spend a season and a half getting your charcters figured out then stablize the show works with modern audences sadly.

[@wrayday7149]

The last season of Enterprise after they fired the clowns writing was where the true light of the shows potential shined. Too bad back in the day, it wasn't really pushed to the fans and everyone still thought the show was trash and came back to turned in. If they came out of the gate with Season 4, first, it could of been the best Star Treks... and ....... Faith of the Heart was fine for the debut episode to go "look".... but not as a series opener for every episode.

[@briandavion]

@@wrayday7149 yeah Enterprise suffered from not being eneugh of a prequal until the show was destined for cancelation.

[@korben600]

Were the weapons that bad? The original loadout was trash, there's no denying that, the plasma cannons weren't worth their weight, and the spatial torpedoes were a waste of space, but NX-01 upgraded VERY quickly. If there's one thing that humans are good at, it's inventing scarier weapons. While the new phaser cannons were subpar compared to more advanced civilizations with decades of development on them, enemies couldn't ignore them like plasma weapons, and the upgrade to photonic torpedoes made Enterprise, if not the biggest shark in the water, then at least a force to be reckoned with. Honestly, all things being equal, Enterprise seemed to be very good for its time and humanity's development. Most of the ship's design flaws were related to humanity's development at the time, and even with that handicap, NX-01 regularly had to take on bigger, badder, and more experienced enemies, and instead of dying, earned the respect of several regional powers. But....in my opinion, the one area humans blew everyone out of the water in the NX-01 era was in special forces. MACOs thrashed practically everybody they fought, and starfleet security was no pushover either. I know that you're focused on ships and stuff, but is there any way you could do a video on MACOs and their role in the UE and starfleet?

[@brianking5092]

In one of the first episodes one of their torpedoes actually bounced off the other ship. That was hilarious. The look on Archers face was priceless. Well written story.

[@korben600]

I couldn't tell if you were joking so I looked it up, and you're right, it did bounce off and it was hilarious. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJzRl4SuZdR3gcU

[@DeathToJihad]

Korben Heagerty, They used photonic torpedos, which are actually less powerful than photon torpedos, despite the stupidly similar names.

[@korben600]

+DeathToJihad You are correct. My bad. I'll change it. However, while they weren't quite the "low grade WMD" level of firepower like true photon torpedoes, my point still stands, photonic torpedoes were a massive upgrade over spatial torpedoes, and after the shift, NX-01 finally got some teeth she could sink into her enemies.

[@DeathToJihad]

Korben Heagerty, Agreed.

[@Restilia_ch]

I love the NX-01 for how inadequate it is. Humanity is taking its first real steps into galactic space and politics, so they try their best. That best fall far short of existing powers, and it shows, but the ship and crew get better with time.

[@forcewielder2000]

Exactly. Things like the polarized hull plating might have been unexceptional (and almost laughable at times), but that was the point - the Vulcans were holding humanity back technologically, so of course Earth ships were lagging behind the major powers in the region when they first really started out.

[@brentc2411]

Enterprise had an entire episode in season 1 where the helm officer goes back to his father's private cargo ship that us warp capable

[@DavidKnowles0]

@Robertson Thirdly True, Warp 5 engines I believe were limited to the test vehicles and the NX-Enterprise. I don't think Starfleet had anything else that was capable of warp 5, at least nothing else officially. Section 31 still got around the galaxy through so, perhaps unofficially their was a cargo ship fitted with warp 5 engines.

[@Roland191145]

I prefer that in Enterprise it was slow, underpowered, and was running behind on certain tech. The writers made it have a certain amount of realism that other ST series lack. One of the reasons I'm a BSG (remake) fan.

[@joeclaridy3652]

Roland191145 BSG?

[@jayt4697]

battlestar galactica

[@PetersaberHD]

Yeah, it's just compelling. It's not fun watching a ship that is in God-mode.

[@noticedruid4985]

@Andrew Gray yep it was practically on par with they're contemporaries like Vulcans, Andorians ect.. With i think vulcan ships being able to reach warp 6. But another thing i think it outclassed many other ships was its durability. That ship could take a hit and keep going even with inferior tech.

[@robertkalinic335]

(dramatic music playing in backround) Archer : Launch TORPEDOES... Enemy ship : Captain, human ship is breaking up, parts of their ship are hitting us. Should we start rescue operation?

[@ojisanhoward8940]

Robert Kalinič ...savage!

[@FleetpawSwiftback]

This is funny... sad, because it was true, but funny at the same time.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

ouch...T-T

[@monsieurdubitatif8567]

daydreaming.

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

Pretty much true

[@EmperorGiraffe]

I liked how the nx class were always the underdogs whenever it came to a fight

[@LoreReloaded]

and somehow pulled it off!

[@sigmacademy]

Even more so when you see 2 starships spooning. That scene in itself needs to be in a Hall of Fame somewhere? XD

[@IRMentat]

Marinus van Zyl 2 ships one warp bubble.

[@IRMentat]

To quote another series. She may not look like much, but she’s a tough little ship. As far as first times go, it did a job and managed to limp where other vessels would break. It’s more than you can ask for during your first steps into the unknown.

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

If memory serves, the NX-Enterprise construction commenced shortly after United Earth brass discovered copious quantities of Explodium on Uranus.

[@obsidiansands]

What I like about the NX-01 is that they really took a Naval approach on the ship as it did indeed remind me of a sub that's caught between something just after WW2 and what most modern subs today look like - half old tech married to new tech. It really had the "cobbled together" feel that had none of the refinements that became the general aesthetics of future Federation ships. The uniforms were definitely a nod to some of the blue casual flight jumpsuits worn by NASA astronauts - something not many people may have realized back then. The best comparison for me about the NX-01 is the Serenity from Firefly - both have a "rustic" semi-industrial look to them. To be fair though; by the time TNG rolled around, Starfleet wasn't just a human-run agency anymore and had the combined shipbuilding knowledge of its member races at their beck and call. The NX-01 Enterprise was basically an UNTESTED prototype that launched early to prove themselves. It was inadequate, underpowered, and very overworked - but at the same time, any lessons learned during that ship's run was used to further their tech. In essence, they were basically guinea pigs for what was to come - and therefore, true pioneers. They were the frontiersmen that gave birth to Kirk's Wild West Captaincy.

[@DarinRWagner]

Great video! I liked the NX-01 immensely because it took visual cues from Los Angeles class attack submarines in the US Navy. Even the conversion of the crew's mess into a "theater" is taken from submarine life.

[@rein1705]

Absolutely! and it was the perfect nod to how an Earth ship would be built.

[@DarinRWagner]

What I also thought was neat about the show was the suggestion, through set design, that a LOT of what went into the original NCC-1701's bridge design came from the Andorian ships. Shran's cruiser's bridge had some interesting design elements that reminded me of Pike's bridge.

[@rickyssmith]

And ship life :p

[@DarinRWagner]

@ajs1031... Berman, Braga and company toured a 688 class submarine in prep for ST: ENT and, to my knowledge, no other naval vessels. So they got it from submarine life, not merely Navy life.

[@teaser6089]

He's just saying that you cant say its only a submarine thing because ships do it too, And the last time i looked subs are part of the navy.

[@CaptainM792]

The NX class is not Humanity’s failure.

[@LoreReloaded]

Would you call it a success ?

[@lumiere1138]

Yes. It was..it did what it was supposed to do and it helped Starfleet expand its reach. It wasn’t perfect but it worked despite not getting a lot of help from the Vulcans. It was successful because of the results.

[@stanklepoot]

I guess it all depends on your definition of success. It was Earth's first foray into truly deep space exploration. To expect it to outclass ships whose builders had been doing that for centuries before humanity made its appearance seems a bit unrealistic really.

[@krim7]

How is it a failure? I mean seriously.

[@kevingill5867]

Lore Reloaded of course it was, it successfully lead to the evolution of the United federation of planets

[@marcellusdiAversa]

I disagree with you about the NX series being a human failure. I liked very much the Enterprise series and how it shows the development of both starship and crew. It was a prototype, the first ship with a 5 warp engine and it was our first serious step into the galaxy and other civilizations. Logically it was weak and small but by the end of the series it is impossible not to feel proud for this sturdy and fiercely stubborn starship. Long be remembered the first Enterprise!

[@twinray27]

I liked Enterprise...

[@LoreReloaded]

It had some good seasons

[@thegamefree1]

@@LoreReloaded. enterprise is on netflix with all 4 seasons

[@ThatsMrPencilneck2U]

The Star Trek Universe has enough continuity problems without bringing the JJ Abrams' idiocy into the discussion.

[@LoreReloaded]

it can have issues for sure..

[@fullcircle2340]

not canon

[@Michael_ORourke]

The Star Trek Universe has continuity problems... period. It doesn't matter which incarnation you're talking about. That's what happens when you have TV shows/movies written by hundreds of different people over several decades, it's going to contradict itself from time to time.

[@macrussell78]

Hell the "prime" timeline isn't even the original timeline.

[@Milamberinx]

@@macrussell78 there are no timelines in Trek, there's just the universe. That's been shown many times.

[@strategossable1366]

I always thought that its low-tech aspects like a grappling hook and missiles added a certain charm and a much needed link between the star trek universe and modern levels of technology.

[@LoreReloaded]

I do think it was an interesting story and made for some building

[@trajan74]

What exactly is authoritarian about United Earth? In the Terra Prime arc there is a parliament and cabinet ministers (suggesting some kind of democracy), a journalist looking for a scoop (press freedom), an insane human-first billionaire with a Lunar mining contract (private sector operations).

[@williamprice4269]

TheScholar74 like billionaire Elon Musk? I actually can see him and others within the private sector doing this.

[@sebwilkins]

I don't think lore understands the word authoritarian all too well.

[@SupaFlyJedi]

I think the word "headstrong" would be a more apt description of the Earth government. When I think authoritarian, I think Terran Empire.

[@tba113]

I think it's that warp drive technology was tightly controlled by a central government, which means that government directly controls all travel, commerce, and academic contact with any other group outside its borders. Now, to be sure, modern countries can decide to forbid trade and travel to or from each other, but they do this through laws and regulations. The United Earth government could do this too, but they take it a big step further: If modern countries were to do things the way the United Earth government does, it would have to do things like destroy international roads and railways, and nationalize any shipyard, aircraft manufacturer, and automaker that made vehicles capable of sailing, flying, or driving to another country. That sounds pretty authoritarian to me.

[@trajan74]

tba, We don't know UE made the decision to control the Warp 5 Experiment. That could've been a compromise with the Vulcans who didn't want to monitor and assist (and slow down) 50,000 competing endeavors. It's not like USN lets anyone have a nuclear reactor on their yacht. We know from ENT and TNG that there were low warp ships in private hands that acted as colony ships at about this time, Mariposa and Terra Nova.

[@Tar-Numendil]

Love that reference to the mispronunciation of Klingon from Broken Bow.

[@robchissy]

What made me laugh was Lt. Malcolm Reed, when ever there was a fight, he would have a smug smirk as if he thought their weapons were the best, yet they did very little damage, like a kid with a rubber knife

[@atomicsquid9836]

I remember reading in an article during the run up to Enterprise in which the production staff wanted the design to resemble a submarine, spartan and claustrophobic.

[@Grizzly907LA]

You shouldn't be in the Navy or on the NX01 if you were claustrophobic.

[@Tuning3434]

+Atomic Squid I think this may have been a reference to the DY-100 class (like the SS Botany Bay) or DY-500. This TOS ship (launched late 20th century) resembled a converted submarine hull. DY-500 where launched untill 22th century

[@davidthompson6099]

Nailed it to some extent, nobody had to bunk with the torpeedos.

[@krim7]

The Franklin is tiny. It is a glorified shuttle. It is only 450 feet long. The NX Enterprise is 738 feet long. The Franklin only has 3 decks, where as the NX has 7 decks. The Franklin is a proof of concept. A means to push the Warp Speed Barrier for Humanity. It is not a ship of the line.

[@AndrewDavisTwoFeathers]

The Franklin, is nothing more than a Scout Ship & although She had 2 Phase Cannons, She only had Spacial Torpedoes, when at the beginning of the UFP, Star Fleet were using Photon(ic) Torpedoes!

[@g.waldmeister1851]

That's kind of my head canon, too. I just think that there were several compeating Warp projects within Starfleet or UESPA like the Soviets had in their space programme. You have Henry Archer's ambitious Warp 5 project and another project that thinks Warp 4 is more feasable or perhaps the class of Franklin ships was never meant for deep space exploration but colony support? The Franklin could have gotten it's designation when it was incorporated into the Federation Starfleet (like the USS which it probably didn't have before).

[@johnlavery3433]

The NX class was 225 feet long. The freedom class (which the USS franklin belongs too) was smaller.

[@g.waldmeister1851]

@@johnlavery3433, on what are you basing that the Franklin was Freedom Class? The didication plaque visible in the movie calls it Starship Class.

[@johnlavery3433]

memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Freedom_class_(22nd_century)

[@schiefer1103]

The "NX" designation after the NX-Class were prototype ships, and not NX class vessels

[@canuckpaul125]

such as the Defiant

[@BillOreillysDad]

Does anyone really care for the JJ timeline? I've tried to pretend it doesn't exist, hoping it'd go away.

[@SumDumGy]

What’s a JJ timeline?

[@thecommenter9678]

It's shit, also there is no such thing as "Prime timeline" that was a phase invented to give the Paramount alternate license a false legitimacy as even the scene with spock at the start and all the events leading to the Kelvin timeline are also legally and technically part of the Paramount alternate license and not connected to the actual CBS held copyright of the original series timeline from Kirk to Archer as held by CBS incorporated

[@nagash303]

@@thecommenter9678 you're saying Romulus wasn't destroyed? YAY! I want a show based on Commander Tomalak!

[@michaelswitzer2121]

Joel Ambrose I liked the first 2 movies lol but they aren't Star Trek just fun crazy spinoffs to Star Trek.

[@thegamefree1]

jj did a great job on Star Trek and he did a great job on Star Wars. i have watched both and both were great.

[@oldmanjohnson69]

Warp two cores. The helmsman always talks about his family's ship and their warp two drive.

[@NickCutroneo]

I believe the Franklin was rechristened as NX-326 as put into service as a Federation ship. Thus it could have had a life before the UFP as an experimental ship before the Enterprise and not even use the NX numbering - maybe something else. When it was called back into service, that's when it got a new designation.

[@NickCutroneo]

Also no offense @Lore Reloaded - but you really need to improve your research skills. Lots of information which speak about the fact that the Franklin came before. Rechristening and giving a new number isn't that crazy to believe.

[@LoreReloaded]

Show me some alpha Canon that I should have seen and missed ?

[@NickCutroneo]

First, Memory Alpha lists the shit as a United Earth and UFP shit. From a timeline perspective, it make sense that a Warp 4 ship would come before a Warp 5. They tested the Warp 2 engine in "First Flight". There are many possible reasons for them to bring a ship back into service. But timeline wise it fits quite well. Changing the registry number becoming a UFP ship isn't a stretch of the imagination.

[@LoreReloaded]

Memory Alpha isn't actually Alpha Canon. I use them as one of my primary resources but they get things wrong. I'm pretty sure I stated that the Franklin came before the Enterprise, infact stating the enterprise should have a number after the franklin (The NX is one of the few things I'd agree I messed up on, though trek is confusing on that score). And I don't disagree that it's not a stretch - but you're going to say i need to improve my research skills but can't show me alpha canon that i could have researched?

[@AWriterWandering]

It’s generally assumed that the Franklin is older than the NX-01 due to its lower maximum warp velocity, but what about the fact that it can even manage speeds about warp 3 without a symmetrical warp governor? It could be that the Franklin represents a completely new design for Starfleet warp drives; one which, while initially slower, would eventually become the basis of all warp drives going forward. (Kinda like how electric cars started out much slower than ICE ones, and yet now we have Teslas.)

[@ancientflames6679]

I honestly loved this show, and I thought the ship was wonderfully done.

[@a.morphous66]

“The Franklin breaks all kinds of continuity” apparently means “the hull number is wrong.”

[@LoreReloaded]

Indeed.. that can, infact, mean all kinds of continuity. Glad ya can keep up

[@burncycle4621]

Yeah, except for the claim that it was "the first ship capable of warp 4", as well as the goofy window on the bridge.

[@user-fs9mv8px1y]

@@LoreReloaded what makes you think the registry number is a count of all ships previous to it? literally nobody does that

[@michaelalexander43]

Yeah@@LoreReloaded, this is something I coined back from the early 1990s during the TNG era. I call it CDST (Contradiction and Discontinuity in Star Trek). As we quibble over this, that and the other, I shrug my shoulders and just be glad we're still trekkin' after all these years. After TOS went off the air in 1969, who what we fans were in store for...

[@CharlesUrban]

Sir, I think I speak for everyone here when I say: "To hell with the JJ-verse."

[@veronicapaez2455]

and the Discoververse

[@GödekeMichels_72]

@@robinhyperlord9053 #Not my canon

[@fullcircle2340]

not canon

[@mrsaltyauthor5992]

Uh no you don’t speak for everyone, if it wasn’t for the kelvin timeline I would have never gotten into Star Trek period. I would have never watched TOS, TNG, DS9 or Enterprise as I have now, so no. You don’t speak for everyone, it has its flaws but it carries forward enough of Star Treks charm into a more accessible narrative medium to entice people like myself who’re easily dissuaded by the original format to appreciate the franchise.

[@IsaiahClemmons]

yeah fuck discovery i hate that fucking show. i love me some orville.

[@We_Are_Borg_478]

5:02 You're forgetting that Columbia was going to be an Enterprise clone, but was retro fitted with Enterprise upgrades, stellar data, and also combat data. Columbia had the privilege of learning from every mistake that Enterprise made. The captain even got to see how badly the turmoils of space had affected Archer.

[@JusticeGamingChannel]

While the Vulcans may have been protecting us, they did stifle us quite a bit. I think Starfleet would have advanced faster, without them holding us back. I don't see why they couldn't have helped trying to protect us, while at the same time letting us grow and innovate. At any rate, Yes I am glad Starfleet broke away and did its own thing. It is usually through humans going out and learning on their own is how we learn and grow, we need to be allowed to take the steps to move forward, we learn from that, and our pension for survival carries us through. Ultimately, if we are to explore the galaxy, we must do it in our own way. To be strong, and to stand on our own, we must do it our own way. I liked this aspect of the show, Enterprise. It was a good story line to explore. It was humans at its best, forging on, and discovering. Too bad it got shut down, too early IMO, the 5th season was going to be awesome under Manny Coto.

[@Grizzly907LA]

The Andorian's wouldn't have held back the humans...I'm just saying.

[@espalorp3286]

Considering the lifespan difference between Vulcans and Humans, it's simply natural for Humans to be frustrated by the pace mandated by the High Council. Pointy eared motherfuckers can wait twice as long.

[@dominicvucic8654]

Justice Gaming the Vulcan ambassador stated to admiral Forrest that Vulcans were scared of humans because of how similar we were to the Vulcans

[@Edd25164605]

The vulcans held humanity back because they were afraid. Humans had just obliterated their homeworld in a nuclear war. They were worried that if Humans gained advanced tech to quickly we would do it again, or worse strike out into the wider galaxy.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

No wonder the Romulan broke away!

[@CultureClashh]

I'm actually beginning to really get into these man! congrats again on 18 k

[@doq776]

I love this ship so much. The design actually helps bring me into the series which I can’t say a bout discovery. RIP Enterprise. RIP Star Trek

[@WolfmanVormand]

The NX is one of my Favorite looking human vessel from Startreck. There is a science vessel I like that is more of a side ship. I think it's the Nova Class. It's a neat design.

[@alexknj1]

Nx is also a designation for experimental craft.(IE: NX Defiant in the DS9 Mirror Universe Episode) The Franklin in a Freedom class, not an NX class. It was redesignated the a new number and out back into service before dissapearing in the prime timeline.

[@cdlord80]

The NX-01 became my favorite ship out of all of them. Love this vessel.

[@Avalanche041]

We see lots of warp cores outside of starfleet, mainly on Earth Cargo Service vessels. Granted these are only Warp 1 or 2. However, dialogue in Fortunate Son implies that Warp 3 engines are at least available to civilians but are somewhat expensive. Its likely that Warp Cores are extremely costly to develop and make and thus would represent a major investment for any private entity to try and research on their own. More likely the only entity on earth that has the resources to actually develop and produce warp drives is the United Earth Government. Even with Earths resources and the top leading human minds in Warp Theory, it takes decades for Earth to develop a Warp 5 engine.

[@dragonsword7370]

Avalanche041 just a note, Zephram Cochran hand signed each warp core into the warp 3[4? Maybe] class before he disappeared.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

The idea that warp 2 was broken so recently is kind of awkward for some writers, I'd have thought.

[@martykarr7058]

The reason the freighters have warp 3 or less is the fact that they've developed mass production capabilities for those speeds of engine. One of the problems with the NX Class was that at the time, their drives were hand-built, and in the book series on the Romulan War, you had many Daedalus Class ships with warp 2+ engines (which violates previous cannon of them being post Romulan War) and production on NX Class stopped for the war.

[@sigmacademy]

There's also the issue of dilithium crystals. Dilithium mines and issues were only heard of in TOS, so it would be safe to assume that gaining access to scarce resources would be hard (especially if you consider that the Vulcans might have purposefully limited supply to needed resources? Also, production facilities around Earth and Mars would have been in its infancy, and nowhere what it is in the Voyager era, so it would make sense that single digit starship production was the maximum that Earth could manage.

[@durstein]

I believe you may have missed star trek 3's USS Excelsior NX 2000. This became the Excelsior class. Great episode.

[@JDSleeper]

And the registry became NCC-2000 once the transwarp experiment failed and they put in a normal drive.

[@saalkz.a.9715]

Same for the U.S.S. Defiant (she had a NX designation originally) and the U.S.S. Prometheus, if my memory serves me right.

[@terryforsdyke306]

yes, Defiant (NX-74205) retained the NX designation until destroyed, long after after the Defiant class entered mass production (we saw at least 5 seporate ships of that class, so Starfleet must have been pushing them out realy fast) with other ships of the class having NCC registration numbers

[@chrissonofpear3657]

The Prometheus even had two separate numbers (you can just see NCC-74913 on the dedication plaque)

[@christopherdilloway4836]

Terry Forsdyke the Defiant only retained the "NX" prefix since it was too costly to redo all the effects shots and stock footage, especially just for the final episode

[@fullcircle2340]

Yeah yeah yeah. I actually really liked the Nx-01 in. It just fealt like an old car...falling apart and clunky...which makes for a great atmosphere in a show.

[@akakjb]

The NX-01 is one of my favorite ship designs. I even wrote a story where the floating museum piece that turns out to be the NX-01 (it's thought to be the original Defiant) is stolen and winds up fighting in the Dominion war (with some upgrades, of course).

[@spaceart8612]

Why are you calling united earth authoritarian,plus the design is more about us finding our stide as a warp capable space faring civilization, but serously vulcans, you could't even provide a little help developing shields for star fleet and such.

[@sebwilkins]

He's american, they use political terminology incorrectly all the time, just look at how they use political slurs currently and confuse socialism with communism.

[@spaceart8612]

Really, JUST because i am an american dosen't mean i am un aware of the uses of political wording, so doen't stereo type me just from where i live. Besides useing the comment section for political slandering is childish

[@talltroll7092]

You may be aware of the difference, the majority of your countrymen are not

[@DeathToJihad]

sebastian wilkins, To be fair the communism/socialism conflation dates to the Cold War and the fact that all avowedly 'Communist' states themselves conflated the two.

[@glentor3]

Socialism is one of the bastard children of Marx.

[@Grizzly907LA]

A couple of things. The theme of the show or at least part of the theme was "humans are the new kids on the block and they're the underdogs." The ship was subpar when compared to the Klingon's, Vulcan's etc. That forced the crew of the NX01 to improvise, adapt and overcome. The NX02 aka the Columbia is the culmination of what Star Fleet learned, from the flaws and mistakes of the NX01. That's why it was a much better ship...duh. Its not like they could've retrofitted the NX01 to bring it up to par with the NX02....but they didn't cuz writers. Yeah it was rushed out, and didn't even get a shakedown cruise...tough titty said the kitty when their was no milk. IAO. Crap happens and steel sharpens steel. The US Navy takes older ships, aircraft etc, tears them down, to the basics and retrofits them all of the time. The name of the program for that in regards to ships is "SLEP," Service Life Extension Program. The ship I was stationed went through SLEP, before it sailed to its now port of call which was NAS Coronado. The Vulcan's fear the humans because they were developing so fast, because the humans accomplished in a hundred years what took the Vulcan's, thousands of years to do. On top of that, the Vulcan high command had been infiltrated by the Romulan's and the Romulan's had a vested interest in keeping the humans limited. I personally liked the aesthetics, of the NX01...a lot because it had the feel of a true Naval, vessel. In this case a star ship. Senior officers got their own quarters, though small, junior officers were two or three to a state room, and the Captains was slightly bigger. The enlisted were probably stacked 3 or even four high in massive berthing compartments. You got used to it and dealt. (Of course its F'k the enlisted when it comes to Star Trek.) I was stationed an aircraft carrier, which was big even though it was an older carrier, however it was still cramped to a certain degree, because you do your level best to stuff it with as much stuff as possible. A submarine would follow that principle even more. The old diesel electric subs were super cramped. I also liked the Defiant and other escort ships because they're truer to what a star ship would really be like. No frills, basic accommodations, little personal space. Adversity makes men. If the Navy wanted you to have personal space, they would have issued you some. Yeah the Galaxy class was the love boat that could fire phasers and photon torpedo's. It's a joke, to some extent. The crew makes the ship, give it a personality, and give it life, regardless of how good or bad it is, and not the other way around. The name "Enterprise," would not be the icon that it is, in Starfleet if not for the exceptional crews that manned each iteration of the "Enterprise."

[@LoreReloaded]

So, I think we agree on most of this?

[@Grizzly907LA]

Not with you downing the ship, though. The NX01 wasn't a failure, it was a start and successful in its own right, considering how far the humans went in just a 100 years. Just like the Nautilus was a quantum leap forward from diesel power submarines. Actually the NX01 a huge breakthrough for the humans and they built on and expanded that basic design, as their grasp on science and engineering, expanded.

[@skipperg4436]

love boat?

[@Snake-ms7sj]

Talking about the Romulans. In the original Star Trek, it was stated that the Romulans did not have warp drive (Episode Balance of terror). Yet in Enterprise the experimental Romulan drone ships had warp capability. And when Trip and Tucker were on one of the drones they discovered it was made from a Romulan battle cruiser. It was just retrofitted to be pilotless. So in other words, Romulan battle cruisers had warp drive. Say what? That was the big gripe about Enterprise. The timeline inconsistencies. Like when they found Borg on earth stuck in the ice. So Star Fleet knew about the Borg in 2153, but somehow forgot about them until Picard "rediscovered" them?

[@renimusmaximus]

@@Snake-ms7sj Actually, they are never named in that episode. So the Borg would not be recognized, by name at least. We know Starfleet had a year to prep, I'd bet that they'd put two and two together then.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

What I wanted to know is why the ISS NX class ships still were referred to as having only "hull plating" as defense, when the canon of them conquering the majority of the Vulcan civilization means that they would have shields and defensive measures at least equal to those of Vulcan ships. I always thought that the "hull plating" being used in that episode was just a writing thing, but I thought that it would make sense as a secondary defense system after shields are down, given how long the ISS Avenger was fighting rebel forces. Also, how much more powerful do you think the Terran NX class would be? In the intro to "Into a Mirror Darkly", we see one using a single phaser beam to bisect a Xindi Aquatic cruiser, and the ISS Avenger's hull was unfazed by multiple hits from the weapons of the USS Defiant, despite that same ship one-shotting a Kumari earlier.

[@Horizon_Imagery]

Loved the ship. Looks fitting for the time period it was covering.

[@PenguinMaster2371]

The Excelsior was NX-2000 whilst a test bed for the Transwarp drive. When that failed and she was pressed into service with normal warpdrive she became NCC-2000. So NX was also used for prototypes of class

[@haroldcarfrey4381]

reminder, the current ICBM warhead in 2019 is around 10 Megatons, an air launches cruise missle can have a 130 Kilotonne warhead, and Fat Man was 8-20 Kilotonne. A torpedo on Enterprise was 13 Kilotonne..,

[@stephenvoss6092]

lol no. There is no ICBM warhead anywhere near 10mt in the current US inventory The current largest ICBM warhead is 475kt.

[@biostemm]

What do you think about the theory that registries are not a direct sequential count of ship production?

[@LoreReloaded]

That's what I go with. They can't be. But alot of people believe they do ;P

[@TheDjbz]

I'm sure I read somewhere that the registry numbers were supposed to be a combination of the ship variant and number of vessels Like (for example) the Constitution Enterprise was Ncc 1701 which theoretically would have been the 17th ship class and the 1st one built after the prototype (Though I'm 100% certain that at some point any such methodology was forgotten and the writers/effects guys just used random numbers in the actal shows)

[@terryforsdyke306]

The Djbz, unfortunately even that system falls apart early in the origional series, as pretty much everyone reading this will know Kirks Enterprise was NCC-1701 NCC 1701 was the second ship in the Constitution class, Constitution was 1700, Constelation was 1017, Excalabur was 1664, Exeter was 1672, Intrepid was 1631, and there were several more ships with 17.. reg numbers. Registry numbers were all over the place, those ships were all the same class as Enterprise so class 17 if that theory is true, but with reg numbers starting with 10, 16 and 17 that completely rules that out. indeed Constalation with the registry number 1017 was the first ship other than Enterprise to show a registry number so unfortunately (much as I would love to have a logical explanation like that) the theory is wrong

[@danielberwick]

Terry Forsdyke The real reason is, of course, there's no real reason. Production considerations (1017 is used because they used an Enterprise kit model and moved the numbers around) and writers just making things up that sort of seem to fit, seeing as it's fiction anyway. But, to retrofit the explanations into the universe, the best I know of for the odd numbering of TOS ships is they had a tradition of keeping the numbers of previous vessels of the same name. Something they carried on with far into the future with a few special names (like Enterprise) Still, there's no real pattern so every attempt to explain it will fall short somewhere.

[@Capronice]

I loved Enterprise. I wish we could have seen this ship get its second engineering section, with beefed up new weapons shields and tractor beams.

[@reginaldshort8486]

I wish they constantly improved the ship over the series. Weapons and hull plating by the start of season 2. Shields and tractor beams by the start of season 3 and Warp speed and weapons again by season 4. Improving by taking notes of their counterparts and adapting what they see to fit their own. By the time the 3rd ship would leave space dock its capabilities would be far superior to the original.

[@TJJones-ck7gj]

Sure she wasn't swinging the biggest stick or chucking the biggest rocks, but she was a human ship pushing human boundaries. That meant more than the sum of her parts. The ship itself was as much an accomplishment as anything it acheived.

[@thecommenter9678]

The "Prime" timeline in the JJ movies is ALSO part of the kelvin timeline, it is an alternate to the true "Canon" timeline of the CBS copyright and NOT part of actual standard canon, this is due to the alternate license held by Paramount, owned by Viacom, former owner of CBS now owned by CBS Incorporated, both held by the same majority stock holder (Who is Shari Redstone at this time if I'm not mistaken but who's father Sumner Redstone formerly held control) So you cannot take ANYTHING from the Paramount movies aka the JJ movies, as TRUE canon. The only reason the "Prime" timeline phrase exists is to give the JJ films a false appearance of legitimacy as the alternate license held by Paramount was made with the explicit deal to this effect and that CBS would not make any Star Trek for 5 years, that is why Star Trek Discovery is ALSO made under the paramount license and NOT the CBS license leading to to the tonal and visual similarity to the JJ films. As the alternate license dictates that the Paramount "Star Trek" differ from the CBS Star Trek by "20%". FYI it's looking like Shari Redstone intends to push Paramount and CBS back under a single corporation ASAP thus reversing her fathers split of Viacom many years ago. This means that Paramount and CBS will both have access to the standard canon license and we MAY see actual good shows come from it. PS: The new picard show is also a Paramount alternate license and as such is not standard AKA first canon.

[@TessylOlliipOp]

i grew up with the original kirk and ncc 1071 trough the next generation voyager ds9 and star trek enterprise jj abrams and alex kutzman and cbs are garbage and dicks unwurthy of the being fans of star trek and unwurthy of speaking those precious words star trek . those 2 idiots and cbs are destroying the star trek univers and frenchise and must be stopped

[@LightStrikerQc]

I only assume the Frankly was "re-branded" when the UFP used it. I assume it has a much different ID before. If I remember right, the first sight of the Defiant in DS9 was branded as a NX.

[@andymac4883]

The Defiant remained NX all the way up until it was destroyed, and the replacement ended up being given the same registry number despite previously being NCC-75633, though that was because they reused some effects shots and made sure the registry matched in the new CGI as well. It is interesting, though, that the Defiant was never reclassified to an NCC- registry, since the Excelsior went from being NX-2000 to NCC-2000 when it was introduced to general fleet service. I guess the producers either didn't want to bother changing everything, or they liked the NX.

[@WickedPrince3D]

I loved Enterprise: it was the series that made me care about Star Trek again after what I felt where the other lack-luster series that I didn't even bother to watch more than a couple episodes of.

[@thegamefree1]

enterprise is on netflex with all 4 seasons

[@Milamberinx]

You're missing out, there's a lot of good stuff in "the other series".

[@evertonporter7887]

Archer, "This never happened to the other fellas..."

[@Ripside2]

I can only agree on DS9. Watch every other episode of voyager. There! I made it better.

[@therealforge]

If you actually want a good, pre-JJ example of how NX/NCC was supposed to work, look at the Excelsior and Defiant. Both had NX hull numbers, and the later "production" refit of Excelsior (without transwarp drive), got 'promoted' from NX-2000 to NCC-2000. The Defiant stayed NX longer than it should have, logically, but later Defiant class ships got NCC registrations. NX for experimental, NCC for production models.

[@jcolon90]

I'm throwing this out there, the reverse flash said it best "break the sound barrier, Sonic boom. Break the time barrier, time boom." The destruction of the Kelvin sent ripples back and altered events before it's destruction.

[@David_B_Dornburg]

There's no need for that BS. First Contact and Regeneration introduced more than enough time altering aspects for things to look different by the time of DISCOVERY and the existence of the Franklin and Kelvin. The Original Series is it's own timeline now.

[@jcolon90]

@@David_B_Dornburg "that kind of b.s." it's a fan theory no need to be condescending. Discovery is prime timeline just to let you know.

[@blahblahsen1142]

i liked the JJ-trek. yes it has some issues but at least it feels like star trek, the characters are very much like the ones we know and love, the ship is mostly the same, in fact the only thing i consider a mistake is the timeline plot-holes. he took something old and dusty that we already loved, cleaned it and polished it, gave it some new and awesome CG visuals and did a good job respecting the characters and the true elements that made star trek great, he just made some oversights with the new timeline that ended up causing some wtf's among the hardcore nerds. discovery on the other hand takes the thing we knew and love and is like "hey...you know that classic thing you like...fuck that shit, its all deleted, THIS is how star trek goes, boys" and they completely changed everything in a bad way. huge contradictions and reboots down to the very soul of the klingons. their biology, their history, their mentality, ship design. they basically invented something nothing like the klingons and called them klingons and then boasted that the other thing doesnt count. the main character is a douche and we're supposed to follow and like a traiterous, selfish, warmonger racist who has violent outbursts and literally does everything blatantly agaisnt the vulcan way of life. i mean the first or second episode was called "a vulcan greeting" or something and it pretty much said a pascifistic vegetarian race of emotionless monks say hello by just shooting the fuck out of everything on the assumption it was a threat. humans are now telepathic, vulcans now adopt humans, the whole history of starfleet is fucked and spor drive? how does discovering the universe is full of microscopic mushrooms magically allow teleportation? it makes no sense and it drops one of the most advanced warp systems right in the infancy of star trek, shitting on the entire development of warp travel. there is a difference between rebooting something and trying to take the soul of something loved and keep it what it is while making it shiny and new looking for new audiences while paying homage, versus violating everything it stands for to make your own bullshit and slap someone elses name on it so you can cash in on the brand while shitting on it...-COUGHdisneystarwars-

[@thegamefree1]

jj did a great job on Star Trek and he did a great job on Star Wars. i have watched both and both were great.

[@TessylOlliipOp]

jj abrams and alex kutzman are garbage they will never understand true star trek fans those 2 ashole's are ruining and destroying the star trek univers they are a danger to the star trek frenchise yo may be a jj abrams fan but you and the rest of you who liked jj abrams star trek garbage movies are in minority you are overwhelmed by the jj abarms and alex kutzman haters

[@icepicjoey]

I like ST:E. My only issue big with the show was the xindi time war that dissappeared and magically reset. The ship, the setting, the underdog tech.. all well done honestly. And the Terran Empire tie in with the TOS Defiant going missing in the Tholian Web episode was a phenomenal tie in IMO. One of myy favorites was in a mirror darkly of all time in trek along with the DS9 tribble tie in besides TOS as a whole.

[@twostepz4982]

I love this ship! I was hoping they would update it to a war class enterprise with super shields and everything in the later years.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

With the secondary hull added or just the nx o1 upgraded to the eyeballs.

[@andyknolls8735]

I love this series, from the ship to the story line.

[@ancaplanaoriginal5303]

They probably restarted the registry number at some point, like what happened with american tanks and planes. Also, the 300+ ships would be anything from short range defense ships to warp 4 ships

[@perrycagle2009]

I love the nx 01 Enterprise. I got the diamond select art asylum one for my birthday a few weeks ago. And love it.

[@dggjag]

I have one as well. It really is a quality piece for the price.

[@-sirfrenzy-1781]

The U.S.S Franklin was a ship that was put into Mothballs after its test of Warp 4 but it would be brought back in the Romulan War

[@travis4016]

*heavy Breathing*

[@dragonsword7370]

Travis Fraser do you... Need an inhaler?

[@travis4016]

*SWEATING*

[@Lutrian]

One explanation I've seen for the Franklin's high NX number, was that the ship was under the command of MACO and likely had a different registry number. The ship was likely given over to Starfleet as MACO was being phased out, and was rebranded. Ships of its class probably got designated in its own numbering series to not conflict with the lowered numbered NX ships operating and being built at the time.

[@drewsteffen8166]

I also believe that the Andorians would have sided with the pink skins . Captain Archer and Commander Shram, my favorite character, worked together and helped each other often.

[@turbopokey]

I was annoyed that ST: Enterprise didn't lead to the "ball" primary hull starships like the Daedalus class that had always been shown as the precursors to the "saucer" type hulls. (Sisco had a model of one in his office)

[@MikeyRussell88]

I really enjoyed this series, it was killed off just as it was getting good. It's quite normal for the first few series to establish the characters sub-plots and arcs.

[@gordon5004]

The new NX-01 by diamond select is much better than any other ship out there, Beautiful details plus electronics. That's the reissue not the original

[@milanondrak5564]

NX 01 looks great. It's curves remind me of 1950s cars design. This to me sets it into an infancy period where our technology does not match our hubris.

[@BungieStudios]

I love Enterprise. It made me believe the world of Star Trek is around the corner. The intro alone really sells the illusion. NX-01 and Enterprise-J are so damn cool!

[@adrielcruz4272]

You keep refering to United Earth as “authoritative.” Elaborate.

[@eyeofbast]

Adriel Cruz To some extent it is. From what the lore suggests, Earth, is set-up as a parliamentary republic. Meaning the people have freedom but only as far as rule of law set forth by the legislature dictate - the people of said governments have a marginal influence in laws that are implemented. Which given, the utopia or likeness the Star Trek universe suggests for the United Earth government, we have to presume it is more lenient than more restrictive authoritarian versions that exist for real in today’s world. Examples of this form of government would be what is set up for Germany or Switzerland with more extreme examples like the governments of Chili or Pakistan, before those parliamentary republics morphed into other forms of government. Chili for example, has since changed to a presidential republic like the United States.

[@a12shotman]

@@eyeofbast and how exactly is a parliamentary republic authoritarian? You still haven't answered that question. An authoritarian party or coalition of parties could be in power, but there isn't any evidence of that.

[@SumDumGy]

I refuse to acknowledge JJ Trek and the argument that anything that occurred before the destruction of the Kelvin was Prime timeline.

[@hudsonball4702]

Guess you'll be happy to know that the JJverse is now dead and buried.

[@sneakycactus8815]

@@hudsonball4702 yup as it should be. It can stay in its own Kelvin universe. Even the stuff before the destruction of the USS Kelvin just to protect canon

[@TessylOlliipOp]

as you should am proud of you for saying so

[@void2258]

According to the (lazy) explanation from the creators, the Franklin was originally built before the enterprise but was a slower ship with a different designation. It was rebuilt and redesignated either during the Romulan war or after the Federation was founded (exact timing unclear) as a stopgap measure to fill out a new Federation Starfleet responsible for covering a much larger territory then was possible with just newly constructed ships, where the NX designation continued to be used across the various vessels for a time before the NCC was eventually adopted. These high-number NX ships also included a portion of Tellarite, Vulcan, and Andorian vessels. The entire line was generally a quantity-over-quality measure for the new alliance and the ships were phased out as the Federation got up to speed making their own ships. All of this, has, of course, not been mentioned anywhere in the actual shows or movies.

[@testy462]

3:20 .... how do you figure? Travis was on a civilian ship before joining Starfleet, a cargo vessel, that his parents owned and ran. Multiple other cargo ships are talked about, as well as an entire episode based around a second one. Both were warp 2 to warp 3 capable, and that's hauling millions of tons of freight.OFC the civilians would not have early access to the latest, highest tech warp drive that currently only existed in test bed ships ... but they specifically mention in "fortunate son" that soon warp 5 drives would be headed to cargo ships and that would entirely change cargo ship life.

[@OtakuPanda]

I still can't believe this video came out back in March!

[@matthewgreenwood4286]

When I first seen this ship in TV guide and then in the show I hated it. However now that I have seen the whole show a few times I have gone on to really like the simple design of the NX class

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

Thought the same about the D.

[@thegamefree1]

im going though both shows Star Trek enterprise and Star Trek TOS both on Netflix. then after both shows i will go though TNG DS9 VOV.

[@enternamehere7639]

This ship is my favourite Star Fleet ship. The design just feels so much more realistic than all the other Starfleet ships. The Enterprise (NCC-1701 and A) just hasn't aged well at all making it completely unrealistic. The NCC-1701-D is basically a cruise ship making it completely unrealistic. DS9 is Cardissian, Defiant is too cramped, (personally I feel like as humans we need our space and so this would be taken into account), and Voyager is a Military cruise ship. The NX-01 just feels and looks the most realistic and it also seems like a ship you could serve on.

[@aperson22222]

Enter Name Here You generally didn’t see people on Defiants for extended cruises. Even if you were permanently assigned to one, you got to get off and stretch your legs at frequent ports of call. I agree that it would indeed be miserable to have to _live_ aboard the thing for any length of time. Of course, that’s true of this ship as well.

[@Warlordmattimus]

re: the Defiant... have you seen the inside of military submarines? The Defiant is downright spacious in comparison. Nobody’s gonna suffocate on the Defiant. Also, the TMP Enterprise has aged beautifully. It’s basically Starfleet perfection.

[@SciFiFan2012]

NCC 1701 was so dated and everything else people say, yet the US Navy was considering a study to see if the bridge configuration could work on Navy ships. The NCC 1701 and the refit are classic designs and I still can't believe some find her "dated", "ugly", "retro". She defined the look of ships in Star Trek, every ship comes from her design of saucer/secondary hull/warp engines and pylons. Now, the Daedalus class is ugly and retro.

[@aperson22222]

The exterior of the Constitution is a beauty, graceful and birdlike. The interior, though--come on. Even in the 60s, no one could have believed that the future would look like that.

[@enternamehere7639]

The Man From Krypton I would say she is dated, but she is still nice looking, and the deadulous class is ugly

[@SchazmenRassir]

Alright, to directly answer the questions in the end: Yes, I like the look of the ship. I actually think it looks better than the Constitution-Class, because to me, they always looked... well, frankly, flimsy as hell. And I do believe there was even a time or two, where the nacelles were broken or shot off the main hull. I just don't like the original Constitution, and prefer every following version of it to the original. As for the NX, it's perfectly reflecting the era and climate of its time. Functionality over comfort. (And that honestly makes Phlox's achievements in its sickbay all the more impressive) I don't much care for politics, but while I do agree in that the Vulcans were trying to help, they were as a result responsible for humanity doing what they did with the Enterprise. In the long-term, yes, as it showed the other species humanity's teeth, determination and adaptation in new environments. In the short term, no. Humanity was reckless and could easily have caused Earth's downfall, and humans' extinction. Luckily, things fell into place the right way, with the right people in the right place at the right time.

[@MisterFanwank]

Serial numbers on military hardware are not always sequential. This is to prevent an enemy from getting a reasonable estimate of the number of units you have produced, which would imply the number of units you can field.