Mislabeled VGG wipe-on clear coat!! Can we fix it without ruining our patina?

[@Xthreadgarage]

Clarification: Poppy's Patina is the manufacturer who messed up by mislabeling a bottle of gloss as matte. They are the customer service I was referring to when I mention it in this video. They are also the ones who made it right by sending me another kit, for free. I have had no interaction with VGG, except when I bought the product through their website. If you watch to the end you'll see that I have no problem with VGG or Derek. He licensed his brand to a product, he's not responsible for the manufacturing processes. We're moving on and dragging the C10 across the finish line with us. Thanks for all the support!

[@dekebell3307]

I have two daughters (in their 20's now). Super happy you get to spend time with yours in the garage....some of my favorite memories I'll always cherish! Hold her close brother!

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks for the encouragement.

[@Rays_Bad_Decisions]

Its cool you have your kid involved its a fun energy!

[@joedeleon8376]

Used Poppy’s Patina and had the same type results. I could not get it to lay and not streak. Did what instructions said. I’ll probably sand and spray it in the future but like you I’m done and just want to drive it. Props to the folks that it works for..

[@ReganMcLaughlin]

I really appreciate this video! I just ruined the most beautiful 36 year old patina using Poppy’s Patina, on a vehicle that means the world to me. Same exact issue. Literally ruined something that is not replacable.

[@Xthreadgarage]

Man, I’m sorry to hear this.

[@jameschism1457]

I watch Vice Grip Garage and I've seen him use this stuff on his cars and from some of the shots I saw afterwards, I don't think they looked that great either. Love your videos. Keep up the journey! God Bless from California!

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks. I think this is why I’ve only seen him wipe on one time, now he sprays any clear coat applications.

[@Geoduck.]

What a great Father for your daughter.

[@jeffrob073]

Exactly why I don’t want to mess up my truck with these products. I see streaks in all the products that have been tested

[@Xthreadgarage]

Sweet Patina has a nice oil based wipe on that’s not permanent and doesn’t streak, if the truck is clean underneath. I’ve used it for the last year on my patina trucks. Good stuff and good company.

[@jeffrob073]

My truck is not really super bad yet just a little sunburned. I just don’t want to get the product and waste my money. Or ruin the original paint

[@RedEyedPatriot]

I'm a Girl Dad so i support all Dad Daughter build channels. Subscribed! I've got LS swapped 82 Gmc shortbed myself.

[@Xthreadgarage]

I’ve always said I’d rather have two girls I’m responsible for protecting than two boys I’m responsible for apologizing for. Thanks for the sub. Enjoy.

[@RedEyedPatriot]

@@Xthreadgarage I've got 2 girls also. Soon to be 18 and 22.

[@SheyBowater]

This is the only video Ive watched so far of yours, ive been watching VGG for years but I really liked this video and looking forward to seeing the rest of your channel. Is there a chnace that if you did lighter coats while wipeing it on the streaks might not have been as bad?

[@Xthreadgarage]

I don’t think so. I tried it several times using different applicators and couldn’t get a smooth finish. Love VGG, but if you search for a few minutes, there’s lots of us who have had this experience. I think this is why Derek only sprays it on now. Haven’t seen him wipe it on since the first time he introduced it on his channel.

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks for watching. Enjoy!

[@jeffharvey9811]

I would almost leave it the way that it is because it makes it look realistic like it's been or had clear coat on at one time and you washed it and that's just left over imperfections in the original paint

[@FJB457]

This guy loves Derek so much he tries to act like him with the way he talks and does his hand movements 😂

[@Xthreadgarage]

Just a couple mid-west boys doing what comes natural. Talking with our hands and making things up as we go.

[@Tractorsandnonsense]

@FJB457 lots of "_garages" on KZbin now.... This one, Pole Barn, Speed Bump, and others...it works, I watched.

[@FJB457]

@@Xthreadgarage lol 👌

[@mikebrunosgarage5338]

Truck is still turning out great,your doing a wonderful job on the truck and in raising K8tlyn, so don't get to frustrated with the bumps in the road,you will overcome. See ya all next time!

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks 👍

[@patlee9704]

This is an awsome channel! Can't wait till see this grow!😊

[@Xthreadgarage]

Us too! Thanks. 🙏

[@tonygrissom6564]

Great episode! Glad I discovered you guys! I Look forward to following this journey!

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks Tony.

[@kevinherbert7564]

The truck still looking good keep up the awesomeness I'm loving the videos ❤ much appreciation 😊 ps thanks for the shout out made my day ❤

[@Xthreadgarage]

You bet! Thanks for the support!!

[@jacobstein7179]

This is sad to see. I run a speed shop in GA, I bought a bottle of the VGG gloss and did the shop truck just a few months back. It required some touch ups where I accidentally hit already dried areas (have some white in the patina and hard to see what's been cleared), but it overall came out beautiful with no issues like this. Since then I've bought a dozen bottles of Poppy's and done over a half a dozen customer cars with no issues or complaints. Something is definitely wrong here, whether with the product or the prep. One thing I will say is I can only get a good finish using the pads as you are, and I do not press down hard. Best of luck.

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks Jacob. I know there are lots of guys out there who had great experiences with it. I tried to be gracious, I’m not gonna blame a manufacturer for my own challenges with laying it out evenly or causing runs. I just tried to share my experience and the challenges I had with the product. Like I said, the only problem I could attribute to the manufacturer, they fixed by sending me a new kit. I have no beef with Poppy’s Patina or VGG over any of this. Thanks for watching.

[@jacobstein7179]

@@Xthreadgarage it seems very possible the replacement you received was defective, just trying to share my experience as a real person that isn't sponsored. I have a hard time trusting other reviews where I don't know their association with the product, just hope it gave some perspective.

[@Xthreadgarage]

I didn’t show it in the video, but the second application, on the roof, had to be sanded with a DA sander to get rid of the streaks in the clear coat. 600 grit wet sanding wasn’t cutting it. That’s part of the reason I think the catalyst was part of the problem. That coat was harder than woodpecker lips after it cured. Also part of the reason I didn’t want to try a 3rd time, or spray it. I just didn’t have confidence in the product or my ability to use it without requiring more work.

[@critterIMHO]

While adding catalyst will definitely make the product more durable, it also adds a bit of gloss, which I personally think it’s quite nice. And I would think that it should be wiped on as thin as possible, and don’t worry about streaks. That’s what second and third coats are for.

[@shenanigansgarage2960]

Wish there was an answer to why you had issues with the clear…I helped a friend put it on a vehicle and it turned out great..probably dumb luck but I was going to put it on my 67 c10 but now I am reluctant

[@Xthreadgarage]

I would not use it on a true patina vehicle, I just think you’re asking for poor adhesion flaking and fading issues down the road. This truck was prepped new enamel automotive paint, and I wanted to clear coat it and sing the praises of a wipe on product, but that’s not how it went. I have another video on the channel detailing our use of Sweet Patina’s Patina sauce, a wipe on oil based product. We will use that on all our patina rides going forward. They are a channel sponsor now, so you can get 5% off with code CGS5 at checkout.

[@mattrage1673]

its awesome to see you and the daughter working together like that.. im calling it now.. 10k subs by winter starting with me

[@Xthreadgarage]

Sounds good to us! Thanks for watching.

[@brandonmason8914]

I have the exact same results when applying this to my '68 suburban yesterday. After 24 hours I have done some test spots with a second coat in the hopes that it will take care of most of the streaking and I won't have to sand it all down. I will find out in the morning with the results are. Fingers crossed

[@Xthreadgarage]

Man, that stinks. I’m increasingly convinced they’re headed towards some sort of class action suit for false advertising. There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of guys with the same results as we had.

[@brandonmason8914]

Here's a little update since last night. I went ahead and put on a second coat and it is noticeably better. It still isn't perfect and I may put a third or fourth coat on, but it is definitely better than the first coat. I didn't sand between coats, I just reapplied after 24 hours. I'll let you know how it ends up

[@Xthreadgarage]

I’d be interested in seeing pics. Hit us up on Facebook or Instagram. @xthreadgarage. Thanks.

[@jonathanbrogdon9067]

Your right its hard to control vertical places and definatly dont lean with your hand on the pad youll squeeze more product out of the pad and it will streak or run. If i decide to use it again i may spray it

[@Xthreadgarage]

We sprayed out an awesome satin clear from Summit in the following video. Turned out exactly how we had imagined.

[@ilbercgross4736]

I have used the VGG satin twice. Both times it came out great.

[@Xthreadgarage]

I am one of many on the other side of that experience. The fact that the first product they sent from Poppy’s Patina was mislabeled matte when it was a gloss leads me to question the consistency of their manufacturing process. VGG just licenses his name to Poppy’s Patina, so nothing against VGG here.

[@ilbercgross4736]

@@Xthreadgarage Well, I never saw the process you used and not sure if you wiped it down after you applied it. maybe I just got lucky. gonna use it again this summer.

[@omerlenhart6778]

I just found your channel by random chance i love the fact you have your daughter involved i have only one kid and she eill be turning 21 this year she shares my love for cars too not as imvolved as your daughter but thats ok i have a 71 Chevelle and she has a 72 Chevelle its a blast cruising with her to car shows im looking forward to watching many more of your videos keep up the good work sorry to hear about your issues with the wipe on clear ive never used it

[@Xthreadgarage]

Awesome, welcome to the family. Thanks for watching. I hope one day my kids will roll to a show or two with me as well.

[@josephmiele3745]

New subscriber here been watching Derek for years and when he started promoting this product, I only seen him wipe this on maybe once he always sprays it now P.S. cool channel looking forward to future videos.

[@Xthreadgarage]

That same thing occurred to me after we tried wiping it on twice. Thanks for the sub. Much more to come.

[@marksanders1942]

I am planning to do the wipe on clear coat. I saw all your issues and started looking at videos. After looking at them I think the successful ones put the clear on very thin. They squeezed the sponge and never had enough to run. Maybe that’s the issue? I don’t know

[@johnmitchell3086]

Love it!!!!! Im a Christian and really enjoy your channel

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks John! God bless brother.

[@GreybeardGarage1972]

sanding is the worst! sorry you had to go through all that but the truck is still cool af and the dad/daughter time is priceless

[@Xthreadgarage]

Agreeeeeed! Thanks for watching.

[@davidfrost4944]

The Poppy's on my truck looks like crap, (I bought it like that). But try to find a video on how to fix it. Yours is the only one I could find. Thanks.

[@Xthreadgarage]

I hope you can correct it without too much trouble. Thanks for watching.

[@yamarider6199]

i think it looks awesome with the gloss finish

[@billgaines8207]

Hey I always like what you do in your videos and your princess does an amazing job when she works with you you both do an amazing work on anything you both do God bless you and your family

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks for watching Bill. You know I was talking about you when I mentioned “Bill” in the intro to this video.

[@billgaines8207]

@Xthreadgarage yes I do and thank you

[@lilorbielilorbie2496]

A few years ago I tried the rustoleum roll on paint job on my 1988 Ford Ranger 4x4. I used a dense white foam roller from Home Depot. It air bubbled like crazy but all of the bubbles laid out .This might be "fix" that you could try on your test door. I hope that you didn't have to pay for the second kit because if you did that's just way wrong IMO. I have a 1967 Ford F-100 SWB that sat in some guys yard for 30 years so I have a natural patina. I made up a fake speed shop name and hand painted it on the doors like you did and when the time comes it's gonna get scuffed and some flat clear and I'm done.

[@Xthreadgarage]

We used a roller that came with the kit for the bedliner. It’s like a heavy duty scotchbrite material in a roller. We didn’t have to pay for the second kit. They sent that to us when they realized their mistake. Flat/matte clear is the best look on patina.

[@lilorbielilorbie2496]

@@Xthreadgarage The roller that I used is a really dense foam nothing like a scotch brite pad. If I want "shiny" on my truck I'll just paint it basecoat/clearcoat.

[@Xthreadgarage]

Misread your original post. Thought you were talking about rolling in bedliner. 😆 we did not try a roller on the clear coat.

[@albertburton9865]

Used it on my truck I should have just buffed the paint out .Oh well I'll paint later on

[@dalerose1694]

So how is it the products fault if you apply too much and get a run. A friend of mine and I have done two cars with beautiful results from the very same product one and the satin one and a gloss. I.

[@Xthreadgarage]

I said several times, the runs were my fault, and that if I had more experience with the product, maybe I could get it to layout without any runs or streaks. The only fault I mentioned that wasn’t mine was the mislabeling of the product, which I graciously mentioned they acknowledged and fixed. Additionally, I said lots of people have had success using this product, but I haven’t, for that reason, I’m not going to continue trying to figure it out on this project.

[@5.3garage74]

Truck looks real good

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thanks.

[@mccathernfamilyprojectsandadv.]

VGG should come and help fix it

[@Xthreadgarage]

I got no complaints against Vice Grip Garage. Love his channel, he inspired me to do what we’re doing. I’m sure in better hands the product would layout differently. The manufacturing mistake isn’t on him either. So,…

[@mccathernfamilyprojectsandadv.]

@@Xthreadgarage i just thought it would be cool. Love watching vice grip garage one of my favorite channels

[@Xthreadgarage]

@@mccathernfamilyprojectsandadv. One of my favorite channels too. I'm pushing 250lbs, but you gotta be a bigger KZbinr than me to get his attention.lol Thanks again for watching.

[@Kdog307]

i trust that derik guy. ya know, juyst because of the way that he is. love him. sad to hear this. sure hed love to help make it up 2 ya n that chev.

[@mccathernfamilyprojectsandadv.]

@@Xthreadgarage I also watch Puddins fab shop, sleeperdude, junkyard digs, mortske repair alot of them collaborate and has helped each others channels out and grow.

[@Handlehandlebars]

If it didnt have all those streaks from "wiping' on a clear coat and expecting a good outcome...id say the gloss level looks very cool amd vibrant with that color patina

[@Xthreadgarage]

Same, but check out the next episode and see the satin finish we sprayed out. It’s awesome.

[@scottsullivan1464]

Those brushes are called chip brushes. They are natural bristle brushes intended for one-time use. They work best with solvent-based coatings, but you have to watch out for bristles shedding in your coating.

[@Xthreadgarage]

Correct.

[@briceerickson3117]

I had a very similar experience with the VVG matte finish product last summer , very disappointing, still upset enough don’t want to even touch it in attempting to fix it .

[@Xthreadgarage]

I can tell you that wet-sanding by hand with 300grit is a hard few hours, but spraying it with a quality product like the Summit Hot Rod Satin clear we used made it worth it. Of course, we were dealing with a fresh patina paint job, not an actual patina with bare metal, scrapes, chips, etc.

[@stevelawrencejr7723]

Poppy's Patina has a spray on flatt out I think you'll like a hell of a lot better than that vise grip trap.

[@Xthreadgarage]

😂 poppy’s Patina make this VGG product.

[@jamesgaczewski9692]

A lot has to do with what paint is underneath. Old fully cured dried out, worn out would be much better. Fully cured catalyzed (2k) paint still soft for days. Enamel paints stay flexible and may absorb the 2 part paint and cause the dry streaks.

[@thejakein7867]

That’s good to know. I just enameled my Bronco and have seen nightmare spray on clear coats causing Krazing. I was hoping Poppy’s would be the solution but now I’m at a dead end it seams

[@cujo2670]

You could try spraying it on before giving up on it, but maybe do the door test again.

[@Xthreadgarage]

Did the door twice. Did the truck once and the roof once more. They say you need twice as much material to spray it on. Not sure I have enough material left to cover it if I spray it on. With the added problem with the mislabeled product, I just don’t have a lot of confidence in the product itself. I might work, but I’d rather get a market tested product that’s designed for what we’re doing. Thanks for watching.

[@Robrt32]

I was about to buy that crap. Glad I stumbled up on your video. Thanks. I don’t have 150 bucks to throw away

[@Xthreadgarage]

If you’re able to spray a clear, the episode after this one shows us spraying a Hot Rod Satin Clear from Summit. It turns out amazing!

[@hermyherm365]

Subscribed buddy! Love the content!!

[@Xthreadgarage]

Welcome aboard! Thanks.

[@zac0912]

Great video. Dont understand why you dont have more subscribers.

[@Xthreadgarage]

😂 thanks. We’ve only got 25 videos out and publish every other week, so the growth has been a little slow, but much faster than a LOT of other small channels. We’re confident there’s a TON of growth ahead for us this year. Thanks for watching.

[@pdcustoms]

Love this

[@tsherwoodrzero]

Thanks for the shoutout Steve. I don't think the issue was user error on this, just a crappy product with a popular licensed brand name so it would sell, and a few people got lucky with it by accident. Kinda like Behr/Mahle (supplier for BMW) radiators and hoses now grenading in under a year after they outsourced everything to China. As a result, most BMW owners go for Nissens radiators and Rein/Continental hoses since they're made in Germany and actually fit correctly.

[@dalerose1694]

I’ve helped a friend of mine use that exact product, and both vehicles came up. Perfect. Couldn’t have been happier,. But we followed all of the instructions. But if you do a crappy job following the instructions, you do get crappy results.

[@tsherwoodrzero]

@@dalerose1694 When someone says "perfect" in this context, I instantly put their claim under the microscope to assess how it stands to scientific scrutiny. For example, most say BMW TIS and the Bentley Manuals are "perfect" for the E38 7-Series. However, scrutiny against documentation for a comparable car (Eunos Cosmo) put the spotlight on MASSIVE important sections being missing. One such area is the cooling system and procedures to service it properly including torque specifications for anything being removed for access. Based on that, I'd surmise that it was 4:57PM on a Friday, everyone just Yabba-Dabba-Doo'ed out the door and then called in "sick" for a month. So I wrote my own guide on the subject, while refreshing the cooling system on my own 740i and writing it in Plain English with methods where adult-sized people with adult-sized hands can perform the job rationally and reasonably with commonly available tools. It's the Japanese way. Paint and bodywork is out of my expertise, so I would defer to Steve's experience over my own on methods and technique for laying down paint/clearcoat properly. As for analyzing your results compared to traditional spray-on clearcoat, I'd call in Sreten from M539 Restorations in Germany because his eye for spotting paintwork flaws far exceeds my own. Several different matches for Dolphin Grey made by a professional body shop in Germany all failed to meet his standards. Only a shop in Poland measured up, and turned out absolutely gorgeous work.

[@jacobstein7179]

Same here, I think it's a top notch product and good US company @@dalerose1694

[@metaspencer]

Hi Mom! :) good stuff alllllll over this channel!

[@Xthreadgarage]

Thank you so much 🤗

[@peterschepman5492]

I'm glad you show you make mistakes not just once two or more times

[@Xthreadgarage]

Hard to hide mistakes when they’re as big as the ones I make 😆

[@raymabry9240]

Are y’all I. Cleveland tx

[@Xthreadgarage]

Northern Ohio.

[@scottnugent4791]

You have a ways to go to catch VGG .

[@Xthreadgarage]

Yeah, don’t really expect to catch him. Actually didn’t think anyone would watch our channel other than family and friends. Thanks for watching.

[@JosephThomas78]

No mistakes, just happy little accidents...Think of just trying the boiled linseed oil trick?

[@Xthreadgarage]

Well Turd, I did think about just doing some good ole fashioned shine juice, but the boiled linseed is temporary and tends to dry sticky. Our goal is to sell this truck to fund the next project. Need a more permanent solution. Thanks for watching! 👍

[@serenityseeker239]

Should have used VGG Shine Juice instead of clear coat

[@Xthreadgarage]

We ended up clear coating it with Summit Hot Rod Satin. We know VGG just licensed his name to Poppy’s Patina, but at this point we wouldn’t trust any of their products. We have however had very good success using Sweet Patina Sauce on the 47 Chevy.

[@abrdds]

Okay… we want to know… what did the dog say to you?? Is the dog right??😂😂😂❤

[@Xthreadgarage]

He was speaking French, and I only had 2 years of Spanish I in high school. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@abrdds]

No puedo hablar Francais pero/ aber Ich kann Deutsche sprechen ( a little bit )😂😂😂❤️

[@leewebb7]

Who didn't you just use linseed oil?? Maybe you covered that...I skipped around lol

[@Xthreadgarage]

Linseed oil is temporary. We’re going to be selling this project to fund the next one, so we were looking for a more permanent solution. The episode after this one we shot an awesome satin clear from Summit. Shock that video out. Thanks for watching.

[@jeremyTallen1]

Sweet Patina possibly?

[@Xthreadgarage]

I have a couple vehicles in the lineup for this coming year that I want to preserve, but not clear coat. Their patina preserving wipe on oil is on my radar to try. In the past I’ve used SC Johnson Paste wax, a carnuba wax. They don’t make that stuff anymore though.

[@raymabry9240]

Always spray

[@SuperSportstudio]

Use Sweet Patina sauce, Dont clear coat. hype VGG wipe-on clear now with oxy-clean 🤣🤣🤣

[@Xthreadgarage]

Sweet Patina is one of our channel sponsors now. We love their stuff!!

[@robertanderson8537]

me too dadgumit lol

[@alanwilliamson6421]

Number 2 lol

[@North49191]

fools and their money

[@claytonbubblecheeks30]

Get your money back I don't care for his product either....