The Stale Meme Dragoon Guide (FFXIV)

[@castor_u]

You forgot the other type of person playing drg: the one who just wants the sick armor. It's me. I'm the other type of person.

[@marc3330]

same i just looked at all the job outfits and picked the edgiest looking one

[@PlazDreamweaver]

Same, but I ended up really enjoying the class. Also, it's DRG. DRG is just awesome in general.

[@cameronharvey4746]

i main brd but i really want to switch to drg because it has easily my favorite armor. like all of it is sick, but i honestly don’t like the way it plays at all compared to bard.

[@ycerovce]

As a new sprout, literally why I chose this. The spears/lances/harpoons/etc. are also really nice looking weapons

[@LockCard]

thats every job. XD we are all that type of player fashion is end game.

[@Dracounguis]

I gave Dragon Sight to a samurai the other day and he ran away, it was so cute. 🤦‍♂️

[@TheMCmace]

make a macro that makes a chat message for who you gave the buff

[@a_tired_dad]

A true samurai does not buff nor does he/she get buffed. They are lone wolves. The practice is called "mengyoshizukabuto ryuten"

[@Craytonex]

Dragoon is more of a life style than a job

[@MisshapenChair]

Edit: Correction: You do not need to hit the positional on Fang and Claw or Wheeling trust to get the get the 5 button combo. Thanks for everyone who caught this. Hey Travelers. This one is definitely more information heavy than some of my other guides. It also ended up being a lot longer than I anticipated. I put some timestamps in to make it easier if you just want to know about certain things. My next video will probably be a little more humor focused. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how I want the rest of this series to go; but for those who are unware, I do plan to make a guide for all jobs by the end of Shaodwbringers. Let me know if you like the longer videos, because to be honest I am unsure what kind of reaction I would get.

[@raikuoliveira4224]

Oh boy random thought, anyone remember when you had to hit your positionals to continue your combo. the Disembowel combo was a bitch

[@ravikkar]

You also only need to hit the 5th button’s positional to activate raiden. You’ll still get it if you hit 5 but miss 4.

[@miricobladetail9670]

Pin this

[@tsbulmer]

I'm a bit late to the party, but I prefer long videos, as long as they stay on point. I'd rather have more details than a glossing-over, if the creator knows what they're talking about and HOW to talk about it, which you certainly do.

[@dandoan8249]

I listen to you videos going to and from work. So your long videos are definitely preferred!

[@iversonsilva793]

"You can cancel cast times to move" No you dont- a black mage, probably

[@someone110]

I rolled a Lalafell and assumed I'd need lances to be able to reach anyone in combat.

[@Dracounguis]

People have such low expectations of dragoons, that after Copied Factory the other day I got FOUR commandations for only dying once! 👍👍👍👍

[@nisahurbina4553]

I give coms to dying goons because they're committing to the meme

[@lukehenderson6338]

Find the bosses rear, and proceed to thrust. Got it. 👍

[@Leetshifter]

Gonna thrust so much that at some point we're gonna disembowel the boss.

[@kush7138]

@@Leetshifter and use our special cream to soothe the area

[@kalebdavis7080]

You forgot the last type of person who picked up Lancer for Dragoon: I picked Viera as my starting race, and I picked Dragoon because bunnies jump. -also give Dragoon i-frames on jumping, screw balance-

[@Maric18]

if all the other classes get cool new mechanics, having a lvl 80something passive that makes you invulnerable during jumps sounds fun its not like you can tank with it, and the idea of a dragoon just jumping into the sky while energy blasts rip everyone on the ground apart is extremely cool

[@Ketsuekisan]

@@Maric18 That's an actual Dragoon strat from the single player FF games and Bravely series. Anybody in your party with Jump could totally use it to avoid attacks.

[@nisahurbina4553]

@@Maric18 do you know how much us green dps would LOVE THAT?? one less bar to worry about, more time to glare

[@Maric18]

@@nisahurbina4553 yeah, it would be cool, strong and flavorful. something more interesting than just ... damage ^^ and yeah dragoons not eating 2400 MP and the swiftcast everytime its up would also help me out xD

[@KhionePheonix]

*I've been waiting for this* Edit: I should mention that you don't actually need to hit the positional to do the 5th hit of your combo. You'll do less damage, but you don't lose your combo at all. Dragoon actually does not need to do positionals at all, it is purely for damage.

[@MisshapenChair]

Well this is embarrassing. I don't even know where I got that idea from. Well I'll have to have this haunt me for the rest of my life. I'll pin your comment for visibility.

[@KhionePheonix]

@@MisshapenChair still love the vid. And everything else is 100% accurate (including the danger of using elusive jump). Keep it up~

[@raikuoliveira4224]

@@MisshapenChair I will say this was a thing back in Heavensward for dragoons, not many remember it. but it was one of the biggest reasons people thought they broke drg in Heavensward, and during that time Geirskogul would consume 10 seconds of your blood of the dragon and you had to hit your positionals to extend it at all too. *cries in drg main*

[@anbulance89]

Raiden Thrust animation is still payoff enough for me to keep trying to land them, gotta love spinny moves :P

[@halapenopepper]

worth mentioning that Raiden Thrust still says it requires both positionals to be hit, but it only actually requires the one directly before it in practice

[@vintolio]

"you either picked dragoon for the raid buffs, saw Estinien, or wanted to know what the memes were about." I uh...I picked Dragoon cause it uses polearms as a weapon. :v

[@neophobicnyctophile8264]

Viva la Donatello!

[@kybaliel]

Truly a man of culture I see

[@Seanana_]

iTs A sPeAr

[@jemm113]

They really need to make jumps give invincibility frames so the jumps work like they do in other FF games where they let you dodge attacks!

[@ich3730]

Lets... not break the game..

[@Zadamanim]

It would be cool but then you could use dragoons to boss mechanics like tank busters. A team of dragoons and paladins could probably skip a lot of content.

[@PlazDreamweaver]

@@Zadamanim Yeah. It'd be too broken.

[@NoFaceOrGun]

Maybe some damage reduction instead. I frames or ignoring mechanics would be too much.

[@tugahenrik1]

@@NoFaceOrGun just learn when you cannot use jumps, is not that hard why dumb down the job when all you gotta do is lean the job properly.

[@Cassapphic]

Other reasons to play dragoon: you main insect glaive in monster hunter

[@vicethane]

I....yea..t-thats true.

[@michaelk9279]

Je suis monté

[@filipevasconcelos4409]

"It's really smart how they did this. You don't have to flip flop for positionals" Ah, so less monky than a monk

[@alvatoredimarco]

I dunno if it's mentioned anywhere in the comments, but back in "the olden days", DRG also had dramatically less Magic Defense than other classes, meaning it took a ton of extra damage when getting hit by things.

[@Drakkyr]

I’ve probably said “Dude Estinien is SO fucking cool” like 150 times and I’m only at 4.2(he’s the reason I’m leveling DRG, currently 54)

[@josephkim1650]

High Jumps sometimes cancel knockbacks from the bosses and it is the most hilarious thing to see.

[@Dracounguis]

And don't forget it's not really great when you have a 15-yard backflip on a 30-yard diameter platform! 🤦‍♂️

[@HayTatsuko]

*Solemnly nods in RDM, and tucks Displacement just a bit further away*

[@raaven1057]

I've been playing dragoon since i started ff14 and never knew about the pizza slice positional, at least now i can try to get more positional in without the boss mechanics getting in my way too much

[@steweygrrr]

Cheers for this, the combos themselves are intuitive but the order to jumps in and when to hold life always trips me up.

[@anbulance89]

According to the rotation am currently trying to git gud with, if you basically use your dmg cooldowns soon in your opener and then always use nastrond before mirage dive, you delay your first life of the dragon phase by 30 seconds, but that makes you be able to do 2 back to back afterwards, and in each you have either dragon sight or lance charge ready for your stardiver. It's hard to do cause it's so cool to go bananas whenever you can, but i have indeed seen my numbers increase on a dummy when I did it this way. Hope that helps!

[@saintjynr]

Never be ashamed of self promotion, double down on that shit. Always be pluggin

[@lorenzopliskin1384]

that white mage roast for not dpsing got me ngl, still lvl 60 and I am not confident enough to exercise more dps, just spamming holy for trash mobs pulls and assize is enough for me atm

[@accelerator8929]

15:06 gave me a fucking heart attack. elusive jump is so scary to use on fights with death barriers

[@scoobiusmaximus9508]

So missing the positional on the first wheeling thrust/ fang and claw doesn't actually cancel the second. You lose the positional damage but that's it. Missing the positional on the second one means you lose positional damage and Raiden Thrust.

[@its_deer]

You don't HAVE to mash your first Nastrond after Geirskogul. If you think about it, you only need 20 seconds to get 3 Nastronds out.

[@Reynsoon]

I'm different you see- from the dragoons who cling on to floor tanking memes, and from you. I like the dopamine of hitting the Wheeling Thrust positional and seeing Raiden Thrust pop.

[@ThatOneGuy223]

Another option for targeting dragon sight that I find very smooth is using "Set Focus Target" and "Target Current Focus Target" (both of these commands can be binded under System > Keybind > Targeting I have Target Focus Target on F, so after setting focus target (I use shift + F) on my tether buttbuddy at the start of the instance, I can use F to target them, dragon sight, and tab back to the boss without dropping gcd! Hope this helps someone

[@yuripiske5465]

I never knew the thing about the circle below the mob! Wth? I have been playing since the 2.0 o.O Thanks man!

[@SwashBuccaneer]

Jokes on everyone. I wouldn't have moved out of the bad anyway.

[@neophobicnyctophile8264]

Yeah, I'm too busy looking at my hotbar rotations to pay any attention to AoEs!

[@foxtaunt]

What the hell... a dragoon guide that actually explains the class clearly and concisely for beginners? ...this feels unnatural

[@swiftcastholy9034]

Jesus I fucking lost it on that last skyrim clip like own I am in pain from laughter

[@amediocremenace]

I thought the loldrg memes started in FFXI. Due to their Pet.

[@jermeymcgraw4810]

i just played dragoon because i just think the armor is cool

[@EvilCyanSheep]

Just got done watching your Social Hierarchy video, and I must say that you're the most based and entertaining Xiv creator I have ever seen ever since I started playing in SB, you got my sub bro.

[@nicolinrucker5181]

OR you wanted to start in Gridania as a melee DPS and therefore get all your gear crafting class req's pre 15!

[@Makkle4000]

As the "Melee Specialist" of my group, DRG is my least favorite melee job. Also I hate myself so I main MNK

[@Dracounguis]

My keyboard has five macro buttons on the left side, they don't have to deal with the games weird macro one second timer thing. They work out very well. You just program them by doing the combo you want and then you can edit the milliseconds between things too. 👨‍🏫

[@cfilorvyls457]

Macro is against the ToS and people have been banned because of it. Might want to hold off bragging about it online, salty ass people out there reporting macro users.

[@Dracounguis]

@@cfilorvyls457 I've generally used them for the super repetitive stuff. Like opening Salvage Boxes in WoW. I have a macro that hits '4' every 3 seconds 20 times. I've yet to find a need for a keyboard macro in FF14 since most of their content isn't as mind numbing as hitting 1 button 20 times in a row! :-)

[@tata021]

Why not weave high jump between chaos thrust and wheeling thrust?

[@alexee233]

I guess he just follows the opener guide from the balance

[@dokunai8514]

Raid buffs usually come out around 4th gcd if people are doing their openers right and you want to land all your jumps into the opener buffs

[@safiwren7812]

Fun fact about my dragooning: i play dragoon for the simple reason of having cool dragoon friends

[@acegreenstara2366]

Now I sit here wait for the guide to my main class warrior

[@TN_Nadaclos]

I only have one question only (i hope he reads this or someone who knows about the class) IT IS WORTH IT??? I mean the rotation looks hard AF to do it 100% optimal. It is worth the trouble or any other class can deal the same or more damage with less effort??

[@Dracounguis]

A karaoke live stream for 10,000 subscribers? How is the promise of pain and suffering supposed to get you more subscribers?

[@MrNK1411]

as a Memegoon main, I approved this guide

[@zoeywolfe7033]

I'll just stick to tanking as DRK/WAR/PLD or healing as SCH/WHM.

[@suddenpenguin]

i play dragoon bc i watched moribito and fell in love with spears. i also am constantly disappointed by every spear wielding class 😞

[@strawberrymilktea8031]

I main DRG, the rotation is so easy and comfortable compared to a lot of other DPS classes. I joke about dying all the time.

[@dokunai8514]

Small note: you shouldn't use life surge on raiden, almost all of them on full thrust. If you were to lose a use before the next full thrust, use it on Fang and Claw or Wheeling with the correct positional.

[@amme--]

this isn't related to the video, but i like to ignore the "ta" in your name and just call you "kenyan speed" gotta go fast

[@Zornarka]

I actually picked LNC/DRG as my first job because it reminded me of Richard in FFII, one of the first Final Fantasy games I played, and thought it looked cool.

[@Nimasho2go]

I legit started this game as a DRG 100% because of Kain Highwind. Was not disappointed.

[@tsbulmer]

Here's a Dragon Sight macro I've found very useful. Here's who it targets, in order of priority: your mouseover target > party member 6 (with default sorting, if there's another melee DPS, they'll be 6, and I find melee DPS the ones most likely to stay in range of the tether) > other raid DPS > party member 4 (the other DPS in dungeons) > tanks > healers > your chocobo > just yourself. /merror off /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /ac "Dragon Sight" /micon "Dragon Sight"

[@AraiiarA]

I'm currently maining dragoon simply because *DYS AN SOHM IN*

[@com182]

ah so that's why I died trying to jump onto Bismarck's back! I had been going crazy trying to work out what was going on

[@neophobicnyctophile8264]

Yeah, gotta hop onto it first, then unload. Good to save your Battle Litany for that, too...

[@HollowAshes747]

I always have a mini anxiety attack every time I use a jump during Bismark

[@alexee233]

and if you miss the positional at the fifth combo you will not trigger raiden thrust

[@tsbulmer]

I picked Dragoon because I thought Kain was cool, which means I'm edgy AND a hipster.

[@alexee233]

To get the raiden thrust, you only need to hit the positional at the fifth combo that triggers raiden thrust. if it is the chaos thrust just be at the flank of the end of the chaos thrust combo. if it is full thrust combo just be ar the rear at the end of the combo. only the end of the combo matters to get raiden thrust ( you still lose some dps though less potency on the fourth combo if you don't hit the positionals)

[@Wufgang]

That Skyrim outtake is exactly what happened when i first tried Skyrim VR... now i finally know why. (even tho it doesn't matter anymore because I immediately refunded that piece of crap)

[@TheSaltedGawd]

Started DRG because a friend showed me Stardiver. Litertally that is the only reason. Unga bunga thrusty boi am me now.

[@sirboneless817]

I picked LNC because the description said I get halberds. I dodn't even know they class into DRG at the time, that was just a bonus

[@AzathothLives]

Huh, and here everyone is telling me dragoon is easy and braindead. So, that was a mucking lie. Also that outro was glorious. Skyrim bugs never cease to amaze.

[@basalith]

RIP Dragon Sight tether, I'll miss being able to make other DPS panic on command

[@decameter]

You don't lose your proc if you don't do a positional all you lose is raiden thrust if you miss the last one in the rotation. Dragoon positionals are some of the the most forgiving in the game. If you can't get the first positional on your BOTD Weaponskills hitting the last positional is what gets you Raiden Thrust. It does not matter if you hit either of the positionals prior to that last positional if you hit that last positional you will always trigger Raiden Thrust. The only thing that will break your rotation is if you accidentally use a GCD while you have your BOTD skills active.

[@MechaKaiser]

I chose DRG when I started because I am a big fan of FF Dragoons, and to this day it remains my main Job, even after doing every job.

[@duerf5826]

Chadgoons share armors with nobody.

[@rukrawczyk]

This comment aged so laughably poorly

[@ew275x]

Don't fear the reaper

[@margotrosendorn6371]

My #1 tip as a dragoon main: don't use elusive jump. EVER.

[@mephisto656]

Say what you will.. Stardiver is still the most awesome skill in FFXIV

[@Endlessfin]

Very good video, not long ago i just realized when the tank takes a lot of time to pull the mobs i can pull them myself use arm’s length and the bloodbath to healmyself in case the tank feels offended for pulling ahead of him lol

[@raviolimatt]

From allthe reasons to play this job, mine is: my static forced me to learn cause they meeded a melee and dragoon whas the easiest to learn, since we already had a samurai.

[@AstrumKitten091]

No there is one thing i wanted to know about Dragon sight that you didn't mention. When are they going to remove/change that awful skill? lol

[@Tory-JJ]

Played dragoon/lancer in pre 1.x post 1.x Still only play dragoon till this day.

[@ChefKeef]

Didnt work, my FC hates me as Dragoon

[@Cassapphic]

In the skyrim outtake my earbuds got desynced so one was lagging behind on audio and it made it even better

[@RijaMo]

Love the effort you put into these. Thanks for the vid. I just started playing a couple of weeks ago and was kinda disappointed that theres not much comedy oriented ffxiv content creator out there. Good thing youtube recommended me your channel

[@ethanelephants4740]

jokes on you, estinien wasnt around when i picked dragoon, im just a dumbass.

[@LordofWar609]

I have mained dragoon since ARR yeah we died lot do to badly timed jumps lol

[@callmeobsequious]

3:22 Man. Pretty serious bug. Someone should fix that. Is there a green DPS on the dev team?

[@neophobicnyctophile8264]

There's a workaround, but it involves hacking the chat system by overwhelming it with your own humiliation...

[@thrillainthemanilla1409]

I know dragoon is a meme but after the buffs it’s factually the best dps in the game. It does less than 200 less dps than black mage and samurai but also brings raid buffs. If you guys are watching this and aren’t sure about dragoon, PICK IT UP

[@HollowTomajikate]

Jumps should be Invincible like in classic FFs

[@PlazDreamweaver]

I love BLM because it's BLM and wizard, but I hate using the class because it's worse than trying to calculate the final velocity of a rocket going backwards in space towards the Sirius star system while balancing on a yoga ball and avoiding bullets from a veteran sniper. However, whenever I pick up DRG, I always get commendations. I'm a godly DRG.

[@MistaHoward]

Dragoon being a meme job didn't start in 2.0, it actually started in FFXI where DRG did shit damage if its pet died, since summoning its pet was its Two-Hour Ability. That, and it not having any actual 2 hour like every other job did. FFXIV only further cemented the meme in 2.0, where it not only had much longer input delay and animation lock, but DRG armor also had less magic defense than crafter gear (that's craftER gear not craftED gear) on top of Blood For Blood increasing the damage they took by 20% during their burst window meaning it died whenever the boss farted if it didn't get a personal shield. That's not an exaggeration either, you literally had to have your scholar cast an adloquium on the dragoon for Nael's megaflare because they'd drop dead if they only had a succor shield. Also, the best way to use Dragon Sight is to use a mouseover macro. /ac "Dragon Sight" Will make Dragon Sight automatically target whoever your mouse is hovering over (including if you're hovering over the party list). With this method if you somehow miss, it will still give you the buff as if you didn't target anyone, so it's as accurate and flexible as clicking on a party member without having to untarget the boss to use it. There's honestly no reason not to use an macro over clicking to target if you're using a mouse.

[@포도포도-o8b]

Dragoon noob: I... I just became level 70 and I died so... so much... wtf... is this normal? Dragoon (80): Nah, you're doing exactly how it should be Noob: ??? Dragoon (80): You're doing great :)

[@masteriveyletsplay2339]

A better way to use dragon sight… /micon “Dragon Sight” /merror off /ac “dragon sight” /ac “dragon sight” /ac “dragon sight” The 2 will always target the second person in party (set your party setup for classes who have highest dps, starting with melee. The 3 is in case #2 is dead. the next line is to self cast in case you’re solo

[@wolflithay6380]

You don’t loose the combos for failing positionals…. They might have just patched it tho since i just started in july

[@garthmarenghi4758]

Here’s a good reason to play dragoon, *ahem*... STARDIIIIVVEEEERRRRRR. That is all

[@zydeox1221]

6:49 THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION MAN.

[@remitifromhell]

Hey m8, just FYI, drg aoe is not cone. It's all line. All of them. The combo and Geirskogul/Nastrond. A little bit worse to work around but not that much. Cheers!

[@shadowfox997]

I just chose DRG because Kaine from FF4 was cool, and when I saw the classic "Dragoon Pose" in the Heavansward trailer, I knew I had to be one.

[@Tokera]

I main as a DRG. I use a controller. I have 5 Macros for Dragon Sight, 1 each (3)DPS and 1 tank in an 8-man dungeon, and 1 for my darling chocobo when we go adventuring out in the field :3 I have a hard time targetting players, macros help me with that :3

[@fredxu99]

I learned DRG a while back, but every time I try to dust off the class in roulettes or weekly normal raids, I just get so confused lol. Honestly it feels like I'm fighting myself more than I'm fighting the boss, the awkward "hold for another 30s" with Life of the Dragon is so wacky, and it hurts knowing that DRG's own Nastrond burst phase + lance charge rarely lines up with raid buffs like TA or Divination since it's on a 90s rotation.

[@neophobicnyctophile8264]

Bloodbath and Battle Litany when the tank gets big mobs and everyone's spamming AoEs is a LOT of fun!

[@natem7097]

Dragoon is the only plate dps so

[@owa1985]

As a Dragoon main since ARR, I approve. Thanks for fixing my opener (didn't want to break tos by parsing and too stubborn to read written guides) but given that I tend to get the most commendations when I play DRG, I suspect most people's expectations of me is to hit Battle Litany on cd and not backflip into the shadow realm. I would suggest, however, to hold on to your long cd dives at least after the opener for when you need to get greedy with positioning or when you were caught with your pants down. I use even Star Diver in this way quite frequently. It's also worth noting that the Eden series of bosses have the largest number of shite that will kill you for using jumps. Leviathan for example will kill you if you attempt to dive over platform gaps even if it looks like it's entirely doable. And Garuda's green line of death through the mid of the arena will kill you if you use high jump on her when she's hovering over it. If you ever wonder about DRGs mysteriously getting one shotted during e6, that's why.

[@ErinKlassen]

This was such a great guide. As a new Dragoon, this was super helpful. I was also laughing out loud when you pointed out that Dragoons can potentially follow a boss mob out of the arena if we time our jump just right/wrong. Things to try... :-) I really love your sense of humor throughout.

[@nightstrider15]

I just recently picked up Dragoon after ignoring it for 3 expansions. I’m kicking myself for not picking it up sooner

[@omenardata7298]

i play dragoon cause i watched kings avatar on netflix before finding out about ff14 and the moves were fairly similar so i liked it

[@elvida17]

Thank you for this video! I started playing summer 2019 and my starting class was dragon cuz spears are really cool! Estenien was pretty until after Heavensward too (best dragoon armor is the realm reborn one, change my mind!) I've been slowly trying to optimize how I play it, I play on controller and also didn't know about the half circle thing! It'll make it much easier for me. I've been using lance charge on the DoT too, guess I should change that habit and thank you for mentioning to use the second mirage dive a bit more delayed so that it's synced up with the buffs, I've been doing that part badly. I'll change my party list too to make it easier with using the buff. One thing I did notice myself recently was that I could use geirskogul with the first mirage dive and still have it up for the second mirage dive, was nice to figure out. I there are a lot of dragoons out there who are playing kind of suboptimal.

[@KZorander]

The amount of times Estinien gets to use Stardiver in the solo duty in the ShB patches gave me unrealistic expectations for Stardiver.

[@TheMCmace]

,,And using the jump in this cases, causes the game to bug out and make you unable to deal any dmg while your character name is greyd out,, xD

[@AgentTex13]

Skyrim : It just works

[@RaidenKaiser]

Imagine if they added invulnerability thing to jumps animations to troll people still meming this class