C Gets Degree Summoner Guide (FFXIV)

[@nev2221]

A real gamer gets halfway through the opener, realizes they have no idea what the fuck is going on and just summon bahamut. If your team becomes suspicious of your high tier gameplay blame the monk, it works every time.

[@bankait_rex1860]

LMFAO~!!!!

[@DAVE11]

actually true 😂

[@kokayinewsome9308]

I main SMN but now that it's basically BLM I dont think I like it anymore. This is gonna a joke for some and very true for other.

[@ChrisPrice12]

The amount of spite in this guide is delicious.

[@Marwington]

It almost rivals the existential dread I experience each time when losing enochian.

[@DigiCube4]

@@Marwington dear god I know what you mean

[@kyotheman69]

this class is big piece of shit though, man i miss old SMN, wtf did walk into, wtf is this shit SE?

[@arsenetelosnookami]

@@Marwington the most emotionally damaging thing a blm can do to themselves

[@HalberdierHyperion]

Seriously, that's the best thing about it. I've played a LOT of Summoner and I typically love the job, but man is he right about every fucking issue it has.

[@TheGreatDanish]

A minute in and you've already broken my summoner heart. I tried to forget that my favorite job changes every expansion. Hell, it changed twice in ShB. I can't wait to re-learn how to play a class I've been running since 2.0.

[@kyotheman69]

sounds like every job in wow, when new expansion hits

[@shinkamui]

how are you liking it now tho? ;)

[@movip1991]

A couple things worth mentioning that aren't in this guide: - If your target for an Egi Assault dies or disappears before the attack goes off, you COMPLETELY lose the attack charge AND the Ruin IV charge - In dungeons, you have to wait for your tank to finish pulling all the mobs before you can start your rotation, or you'll blow your AOE setup before everything's actually rounded up - Nobody else plays SMN, so nobody knows you can res people and you won't get commendations for doing it All this together means SMN is the perfect class for anyone who hates themselves

[@Shadethewolfy]

I literally had a situation where I and another player died in a dungeon, leaving the Healer and Tank still alive. The healer rezzed the other player (who wasn't a summoner) before rezzing me. So yeah, I can confirm that nobody knows Summoner can battle raise.

[@rflxPoint]

"Summoner is job that completely changes each expansion" Well you can say that again!

[@Winged_Snek]

It was never not true

[@jotapechan_]

he did say he was gonna apply to fix smn, maybe he did it! :D

[@kokayinewsome9308]

If they cant get pets right, why not use the programs from the pets classes in FF11

[@Moumentai]

Summoner is a job that completely changes each expansion.

[@kokayinewsome9308]

@@Moumentai yeah but to what end? If a class is never nailed down it had no stability. Nothing you can rely on for more than 3 years. I fell in love with SMN as a pet and DoT spreading class. Now I feel betrayed. If they took that stuff off SMN and put it elsewhere I would go play that. But they didnt. They just said "no one wants this so its gone". As if no one likes DoTs or fighting with a familiar attacking with you. If they wanna make changes, more power to them. But do remove something I was using and give me nothing to replace it with. As of now, no class in the entire game can do DoTs to single and group targets and use a pet. That's bullshit for someone who leveled up SMN to 80 for those exact reasons.

[@oneunknown8226]

So I don't see a comment about this yet, but not even SMN AOE can escape the curse of Pet JankTM - the skill mentioned at 24:06, which drops a DoT puddle underneath enemies is directly tied to your pet, vanishing if your pet is de-summoned for any reason. You know what Summon Bahamut and Pheonix do? Temporarily de-summon your pet. Meaning if you use this skill and you don't want to just lose damage you now have to remember/intuit how long it's gonna last by looking at the pet's buff bar (because of course it's duration is given as a buff to the pet, not the player) in the party list before moving to the juiciest bits of your AOE rotation, Summon Bahamut/Pheonix. So yeah, one of your AOE buttons can just vanish into nothing if you hit your better AOE buttons without care.

[@ZenthonPrime]

ah yes but don't forget that Summoner has an entire SECOND ROTATION where you actually do just press Firebird Trance as soon as it comes up and you clip your dots by 10 seconds and disconnect your Bahamut phase from Dreadwyrm Trance so Enkindle doesn't come up during Bahamut and you clip your dots by 10 seconds when you refresh them I'm serious help

[@Castersvarog]

Haha what the fuck?

[@zirilan3398]

@@Castersvarog He`s not even kidding. That`s the 1:50min opener/rotation

[@Castersvarog]

@@zirilan3398 I was aware of the whole 2 minute rotation for summoner, but the second rotation sounds like pain

[@zirilan3398]

@@Castersvarog In certain fight encounters one rotation can be prefered over the other for optimization reasons but it`s totally fine to stick with the normal 2min circle and yes it is spaghetti-code pain incarnate.

[@0shawhat]

I got an aneurysm reading this, what the fuck

[@triageguy6411]

Another "Greetings Travelers" hit straight to brain via eardrum...so damn good.

[@friendlygiant1507]

Makes me wonder where it goes when it doesn't go via eardrum.

[@nonstm4933]

I would watch misshapen chair asmr. Because i do already

[@hurri-db]

Titan is for Palace of the Dead :D I always colour my egi glamours the wrong colours to upset people :)

[@Riku-Leela]

Wha... You monster

[@Nixo66]

Not sure what you mean

[@Maeve5617]

I was literally just thinking about doing this.

[@hurri-db]

Between this, my obnoxious Hamilton rez-macros, and my obnoxious FMA:Brotherhood LB macros, I am the worst person to have in your party. 11/10 would recommend also being that person.

[@Riku-Leela]

@@hurri-db as long as you're not someone who spams instruments over bards or at anyone in limsa then you're not the worst dw

[@stoopcity9401]

This guide actually taught me how to properly use Bahamaut. Was hard casting ruin 3 this whole time.

[@bailey2919]

I've been binge-watching your content for a few days, keep making good stuff

[@bronxshogun7089]

I can’t tell if SMN frustrates you or not.

[@DigiCube4]

Exactly

[@Nomolun_Vr]

as a smn main, yes

[@TerryVideoZone]

It's insanely fun but also simultaneously one of the most infuriating experiences you could put yourself through.

[@jarondeacon8489]

I play it because I like feeling a constant state of anxiety

[@legalizemarinara]

it’s a class for masochists

[@Joeyfield0]

25:06 "It will also shorten how long it takes to hard-cast raise" I thought i was 300% done, but we're reaching levels unimaginable

[@guilhermesousa4588]

After this guide I transformed from a average summoner to a yellow parser thanks a lot misshapen

[@SquidLips413]

I came back to this video to remember how good summoner was and it does not disappoint. The Endwalker version is nice and streamlined but I'll always miss the depth and complexity the job used to have. Here's hoping it lives up to its reputation of changing every expansion.

[@captainpapaya6711]

SMN rotation is my favourite in the game. When it fucking works

[@Cyphafrost]

25:08 To raise the curse level even more, your phoenix trance does the same thing! I saved a raid from death before with that, but it hurt so much to do that I think death would've been preferable.

[@Nomolun_Vr]

and to add insult to injury..no one gives you a com at the end..

[@Riku-Leela]

I tried this once and summoned phoenix to res the healers as my swift was down, and then boss hit us with Down For The Count 🙂 Pain incarnate

[@Iwillgotohell2]

poor old chicken nugget egi... they murdered the poor baby so bad, at one point you couldn't even finish the job quest

[@mrcool9090]

So they did balance the level 54 quest with titan in mind

[@chriskarpetas]

As a SMN main at one point, the action delay for the pets and the janky follow AI during combat made me drop both SMN and SCH. The salt in this video resonated so much with me.

[@nemellex6970]

Yay the long awaited SMN guide! Complete with: * HUGE Bahamut even though Chair knows how to make it small (likely due to spite) * Great feedback on Akh Morning (for its pros and cons) * Great coverage on the DWT and FBT and their very sensitive mechanics * PBS reference The rotation in the video is the classic Akh Morning 120 sec rotation (many use the 110 version in this tier, but 120 may come into popularity again). If one has high ping and using FBT, one has to stare at the GCD cooldown - only trigger FTB when the cooldown is half way (5 to 6 o'clock on the GCD cooldown) to "leave enough room" for the pet to do its thing and not skip auto attacks.

[@zakashin]

OK so I'm not the only one who thought the SMN Akhmorning guide was a bit rough while learning the class initially lol. I really appreciated the 2 minute cycle info-graphic though

[@TerryVideoZone]

Play SMN for a raid tier, it will be fun; I once thought. Don't get me wrong, I love how it feels to play SMN sometimes, it's just that the amount of micromanaging needed to reach dealing even just decent damage on this job genuinely broke me to the point that I ended up just playing tank and healer for the rest of Shadowbringers instead. I *could* have just switched to a less infuriating to optimize DPS, but instead somehow gravitated to SCH. I guess you can leave the pet jank but the pet jank can't leave you.

[@Cassapphic]

Summoner is a lot like bard for me, it’s overwhelming when everything is up at once but once you get into the flow its pretty fun. (Edit: also the pets already feel like just a clunky extension of the controller, but I still think that rumour is just collective wishful thinking, like the switch pro becoming the oled)

[@2Syndras1Cup]

"like the switch pro becoming the oled" Why must you hurt me this way?

[@xShadowsOfChaos]

@@2Syndras1Cup But now you can play games that came out on other consoles and pc 7 years ago on low settings in 720p at 12 fps *on OLED* !!

[@pinkknightphoenix]

Hey guess what? Great news!

[@heulg.darian2536]

@Nohri For information shake. The reason said thing was rumored was cause of reaper. Reaper's shadow is just animation however yoshi-p said its not a pet job like smn's or mch's. add to that the new info we got from the benchmark, where the pet is clearly still there and even gets a new move.

[@johndipietro9301]

10:14: As a SMN main, I began cackling at the same time. Out of spite, pity, and pain.

[@whoeverwins4639]

I main SMN and I was cackling at the whole thing.

[@ethernet3289]

dude you deserve so much subscribers for this bomb ass content, the fact that you don’t is frankly a testament that god has indeed died and there is only chaos in this universe

[@doot5292]

But what about the blue mage job guide?

[@dazzlemasseur]

No. Blue mage doesn't need a guide, you should only try to create content for blue mage if that's the only thing you do. Don't ask him that. Also think the best way to learn blue mage is "not knowing anything except carnival location" the rest being exploration trial and error. Because playing bluemage with a guide is for weaklings.

[@NotExactlySans]

@@dazzlemasseur I'm quite sure Doot was being silly.

[@Riku-Leela]

No.

[@doot5292]

Yeah pretty much, this was just meant as a joke.

[@Graail]

@@dazzlemasseur lol who hurt you dude

[@lmildrum]

The one thing I hate about ahkmorning, doesn't really show a "trashpack" mobs rotation in like dungeon pulls between bosses. Thank you for including it

[@acegreenstara2366]

This is the greatest series to ever bless the 14 community

[@anavelmacko4370]

I’m level 46 summoner sitting in Coerthas. I started the game 3 days ago :)

[@buttponcho101]

ah yes, the furniture piece I can watch without shame

[@SynKVoice]

Glamour isn’t generic enough. Needs 2B leggings.

[@Kasaaz]

I don't know why I never realized Surecast would work against Paralyze. Would have been nice when people don't interrupt on Puppet's Bunker.

[@KevinMCable]

"THATS JUST TRICK ATTACK ON NINJA!" How dare you make me understand why I like SMN.

[@michchu5120]

Glad to know im not the only one to look at the summoner guides n resources and think they're written for people who already know what they're doing

[@neppolitan9262]

This is the video that made me go full SMN. So thank you

[@Feragore]

I was around level 70 on SMN or so when I started looking up optimisation. I saw the writing on the wall with pet ghosting and getting frustrated with having to Place just to hit everyone with aoe regen on SCH, and bailed from both SMN and SCH hard. Playing RDM and WHM instead and never looked back.

[@xersys]

So summoner is just like Naruto shippuden. All filler with about 30 seconds of enjoyable content.

[@johndipietro9301]

As for that rumor, the pet will never go away, but if they keep it as aesthetics and let me do the casting, I'm cool with that... maybe make it so that the "unaspected" part of Ruin is just flavored to the pet damage and add their damage as an added effect Demi style. But there will always be A pet. They couldn't get rid of one of the faeries when they gutted her kit because she's mentioned in the first job quest, and SMN has to face three Egis through the course of the first questchain, so no way they ever fully get rid of the pets.

[@Castersvarog]

Honestly, I just really hope they change how they use their skills. All the Egi assaults, Enkindle and devotion are technically casted by the Egi itself. I wish they will change it so that it instead is casted from the user like all other spells, but the spell and appearance appears from the egi. That or force the Egi to overwrite their auto attack. Would help with stuff like ghosted Enkindle and missing Ruin 4

[@finalfantasy50]

@@Castersvarog replacing the egi entirely mechanically anyway, would be the best thing if the flame dash is just egi assault retooled, that would make the focus on movement that the class potentially has even greater

[@johndipietro9301]

Well well well... this is an interesting video to come back to now...

[@bankait_rex1860]

Love you brother, coming to your channel to get an useful guide is like going to taco bell to eat real meat.

[@Gummiisnacks]

I used to HATE this job until I leveled it It was really clunky to me until about lv 73 and it got a lot more fun and the idea of a two minute rotation was less intimidating .... Unfortunately pets are still bad, really hoping they revamp em in EW and this job'll be perfection

[@evilgibson]

give up that hope. it makes it better to have 0 expectations than praying for anything.

[@zirilan3398]

We saw egi`s still beeing in the game in the Benchmark trailer so maybe in 7.0?

[@callmeobsequious]

The spite in your delivery makes this already great guide about 80 times better

[@kaika7596]

As a sch main and smn being my go to dps this resonates so much with me. I love both classes but lord the amount of jank with them has me angry at times. I personally wouldn't mind the removal of their pets, id rather have the classes function well.

[@filipevasconcelos4409]

Oh boy, i can't believe the series has ended. It's been a ride

[@Irimu_]

Season 2 in a few months

[@cainstuart2681]

Don't worry, with the rework we will probably get Firebird Trance summoning sickness fixed. For those wondering, you'll generally be using the first ogcd slot for an offensive and second ogcd slot for a buff/stance. You do tri-d, dwt, baha, and fbt in the 2nd ogcd slot to give yourself room for clipping another gcd

[@ArcueidBrunestudTypeVampire]

Just started the class the other day. Needed this!

[@poke_my_starfish780]

You're videos make the happy chemicals in my head

[@Leo-hw8uf]

someone's still bitter than SMN dealt more damage than SAM in Eden's Verse haha (great video)

[@Myrmidal]

I fucking lost it at how vehement you were in this one, as someone who leveled summoner/scholar first only to be driven off them by the pets jank in HW let alone now. I'm so glad the rework looks good for summoner

[@oldweeb1066]

Returning 70 summoner here. Saw that 2m circle and switched to Dancer. I cannot even remember what I had for dinner last night, much less a damn 2 minute rotation.

[@ThatgirlGone]

lol You verbalized it perfectly referring to those Ahkmorning guides. But I must use them because every Reddit post points you to those same guides.

[@SatanicDemiGod]

As a summoner main, I found this hilarious

[@booleanillogical4757]

I also had smn lvled because I leveled as a sch at, and then used akhmorning to learn summoner. It was terrible, I just started by running the opener over and over and over and... on S3 until I actually did the whole thing right consistently. Then I had to decipher the rest of the guide to figure out my rotation, a whole process on its own. It took me a week to realize I had been reading the part about going into Phoenix phase wrong and had to relearn that part of the rotation. I basically had to figure out a lot of the basic stuff experimenting on my own.

[@unixtreme]

That delay you feel between Pet Action > Actually Happening is the same delay a wow player feels between any action and actually happening, lol.

[@RCmetal11]

lol this is so true, probably why the pet command thing doesnt bother me much. I was playing a hunter in TBC classic and the time between Kill Command and it actually happening is even worse.

[@Riku-Leela]

The thing is SMN lvl72+ is really fkn fun imo, I love it, idk why. But when I'm in literally any lower level dungeon it's pure pain...

[@lmcfleury]

I never ever use SMN when doing roulettes in case I end up in a lower level dungeon. It's so so awful

[@yScribblezHD]

@@lmcfleury I'd rather do less damage and be able to use my rotation in its full glory than be level synced tbh lmao

[@ubaha_]

those cute nekopara pictures really eased me midway into the video, life is good, cute cats go nya

[@shinkamui]

Now that the new and improved summoner is upon us, i like to watch this video to laugh at this 8-year fever dream that was the dot-pet-based job and to remind myself what i clown i was for trying to learn this cursed shit.

[@hotaruasakura9120]

Glad to see you got the job at Square Enix and made good on your promise to fix Summoner

[@gasparguruoftime5475]

Lol, I feel so burned that I took the time to learn Summoner in 5.4 only for it to completely change in EW. This was a neat nostalgic trip though, because I did heavily practice all that optimization. Triple weaving for Phoenix was trash, handling your Egi charges and Ruin IV charges before Firebird trance felt like a mess and Energy Drain just felt so annoying because I kept forgetting about it since all my mental abilities were funneled into remembering to reapply my DoTs. Then new Summoner comes along and looks really cool but has some of the least optimization of any Job in FFXIV history. Maybe in 7.0 it’ll finally hit a balance. I don’t miss old Summoner, but I feel like if you just gave Ruin III and Outburst the 1.5s cast time change and then made Phoenix/Bahamut have their own unique AAs like they do now, old Summoner would have been way, wayyyy more digestible and yet still have some depth and optimization.

[@mintgarnish6281]

I thought I knew my main pretty well, even after eating ahkmorning for every meal, every fight, every sleep. But I completely fking forgot about the stupid movement garbage. I wanna cry

[@obamaorb7426]

I miss old summoner so much man

[@Caesar512]

16:27 at this point I'm questioning existence and wondering if it's all just a simulation.

[@KanarTheHusbando]

Your "Fool!" is surprisingly similar to Darkkmane's haha

[@infinitexp420]

Love your channel dude, keep at it! 😎👌🏽💯

[@GreenMiscreant]

Funny to go back to this and compare to what it would be today. "Press 1, then press 2, repeat. Done."

[@WaltRBuck]

8 wyrmwaves 8 scarlet flames. If you do that, nothing else matters because everyone is too lazy to try to track any other ability.

[@kokayinewsome9308]

I always do this. Stack further ruin buffs then combo use them as Bahamut attacks and then Ahk Morn

[@MirunaNero]

"and put it in your watch later list where you'll never see it again" didn't expect a call out post

[@RagnellAvalon]

NEKOPARA Matriarch of the Nekopara Clan

[@AgentTex13]

oh my god I didn't realize I needed a dissertation on this Job my god

[@パンドーラー-y7m]

you're just great, please dont change

[@byronhartog7270]

your way of spite has the tendency to make one wonder if you actually like the job or not but we can all imagine what it's like to being your friend because of that :D

[@Joeyfield0]

I mean I already did not touch summoner despite it being my main for two expansions, but this just confirms my exile from it

[@ruVader]

Lol @ casually roasting AkhMorning (with an entirely reasonable remark btw).

[@kattsndragons2388]

I was so excited for this because smn is my favorite…it was rather disheartening to hear how deeply you hate it T-T

[@ArdentRage]

Oh my god I've needed this channel so bad Hahahahah

[@This_lil_Hornet]

I was just thinking "what the fuck just happened", I now feel confident in my chances with this class in Ultimates.

[@jackalo34]

wont lie..i vaguely considered playin summoner wen i returned but as i played it i dfelt like u dud in this guide and im glad im opting out

[@darmus3524]

Its rework looks really really good, so there's hope.

[@paganflute3989]

The man was right. Complete overhaul in endwalker as we now know! ^^ But the new one looks pretty cool, so i guess i have to embrace that juicy pain now and lvl and maybe main it! :P I guess for long time summoners its like an abusive relationship! Every iteration looks cool and nice at first and then it hits u and brings u pain. It tells u it will change to a better person, errrm job and it looks nice and shiny again until it hits u again! But we all go back! ^^ was the same thing with entire World of Warcraft....

[@Red-tn3wm]

"General rule of thumb, Just give up" LOL🤣

[@mssj4gokou]

Now that the PLL came out with the new Summoner rework for pets, I'd love to hear your opinion before the full info gets release during the press junkets.

[@Pers0n97]

I'm starting to play the game right now. Wanted to be a black mage, so I picked arcanist, because, yaknow, Arcanist sounds like a magical dude that will evolve into black mage later down the line. Fuck me I guess, but I'll try to stick with what I got for now, and so far (60) I like it quite a lot, but there's indeed one fucking thing that grind my gear, target swapping. The fucking game, for some mindblowing reason, dont have your pet automatically swap target with you, which makes it incredibly annoying to play when you have to swap to adds, also on AoE phase, Ifit tend to stay on the side of the packed enemies, and only hit one of them rather than being in the middle to hit them all, I fucking HATE it. Hell, I just did a Odin fight when I used heel to have the pet come back to me and swap to the spear (which takes him a billion year to do since he moves super slow) and after coming back to me that asshole just went back to Odin instead of attacking the target I was actively blasting. WTF was that shit exactly?!

[@ruuby1006]

My advice: use garuda for anything aoe related and switch back to ifrit for single target

[@Verpal]

Been there....done that chain rez with trance, no comm btw. BTW I ain't chain rezzing crap if RDM is around, even if RDM doesn't raise anyone, not my job, piss off Kupo!

[@martinbig24]

Stasrted leveling arcanist, since you get two classes for the price of one, fun times. Think you might have talked me out of it.

[@Skyace13]

Thank goodness Yoshi-P gave me two more weeks to watch this video

[@smaller_cathedrals]

Besides my two mains (pld & blm) I can play every job in the game on a at least somewhat decent level. Give me a good guide and some time and I'm off to having a good time. Smn though? Hell, that is one confusing mess.

[@mak_woodhunter]

I main summoner, It's quite simple, a memory game tbh!

[@ChaoticCreed]

I’m laughing at the akh morn shot cause from what I hear from the balance drama the dudes a douche whether that’s true or not idk but I couldn’t help but laugh at that

[@booleanillogical4757]

I wouldn't be surprised if the person/people in charge of akhmorning is/are kinda elitist considering they took the time to map out the best single target and aoe rotations for blm and smn as they level to help people since the classes morph into someone entirely new every 8-12 lvls. I'm sure- actually - I know it took forever because I watched for months for the smn Lvling rotation guide to change from "coming soon(tm)"

[@ChaoticCreed]

@@booleanillogical4757 thats not what I meant. I was mostly talking about a balance discord drama. I don’t know what’s actually true or not but it just made me laugh when he took a shot at him whether he meant to or not

[@heulg.darian2536]

Its not true or tbf there is no drama between nemekh and balance. Nemekh was a smn mentor there but he left cause he wanted to focus on his site and discord server. In fact lots of people from the balance discord are in said discord server. And no there is no elitism from balance, the only times there has been any tension is when someone asks for help but refuses to listen cause his way is working so its fine.

[@ChaoticCreed]

@@heulg.darian2536 oh I was talking about that whole saltedxiv person drama that occurred and how she vented in her site about everyone in there. Definitely an unreliable source but like I said I couldn’t help but laugh when he took a shot at him.

[@Evycakez]

I used to main summoner and now I am a scholar main. I came back to refresh my summoner skills. I think at this point ima just keep clicking all the buttons to see what sticks

[@tehjakesor]

reaper and sage guides soon let's go

[@GamerGod353]

as someone who is a summoner main, I feel this man's spite.

[@padenhamill7744]

Babe, new MisshapenChair job video!

[@frankisnake]

I will hug and sheer smn in game from now on

[@xihua12370]

In a few more months, please remember to make new ones incorporating Endwalker :P ITS FAR FROM OVER!!!!

[@AnotherPanther]

i like how he's slowly loses his mind as the vid goes on lol, mans is this close to losing it

[@aeonamadi]

Summoner - the job where fucking up your rotation means you might get a chance to correct it after two minutes and drifting the entire fucking rotation.

[@Irimu_]

At least you only have to level Summoner or Scholar and not both.

[@hostilegamingz]

'what a shitload of fuck' I've not heard that since a certain KZbin series

[@jarondeacon8489]

This video gave me both life and anxiety…and I play summoner.

[@tsukipon74]

I am a summoner main and I love it but watching this maybe I'm a masochist and also yet pets suck but at least they are cute carbuncles

[@Sneedboy]

Finally! Let’s go!