Old AFI Slaps!! Bass Teacher REACTS to “Sacrifice Theory”

[@joshyaks]

For my money, there has never been a better 3-album series than Black Sails in the Sunset, The Art of Drowning, and Sing the Sorrow!

[@chairmanofthebored6860]

Gotta throw the All Hallows EP in there as well

[@AverageGuy28]

I prefer Shut your mouth... over Sing he sorrow in that 3-album series.

[@bryanb767]

​@AverageGuy28 you can't really put Shut Your Mouth in the same category as Black Sails and AoD because it's a much different band.

[@Going_Out_In_Style89]

I'd argue Alkaline Trio first 4 records Goddammit to Good Mourning is better.

[@cesarv3238]

If I remember correctly Davey Havoc ripped his vocal chords after sing the sorrow so that's why the sound changed a lot. I still like their new and old stuff. As far as alkaline trio I love the ep where they traded songs with Hot water music, bleeder was done so well

[@mikekristin7201]

One of the most impactful albums of my formative years. I dont even know the song titles, i just let it play from start to finish over and over

[@LowEndUniversity]

So many albums for me are the same way!

[@TranzparentMethods]

Same Here!!! The Art of Drowning is a MASTERPIECE!

[@todddegroff6953]

I feel you. That’s me with Black Sails.

[@Puckrocker]

The guitarist and bassist would do gang vocals, but they could always count on the crowd to do em as well. Their live shows in this era were absolutely legendary.

[@dotherightthing9955]

Lost my voice many times at their shows!

[@sfgiantfan78]

I saw them in a small club in Chico Ca at the time of this record. It was incredible. Most intense concert

[@dotherightthing9955]

@@sfgiantfan78 was it the brick works?

[@gregorylong9056]

I saw AFI in 99 two days before Halloween at galaxy in Dallas. They and Hot Water Music opened for I think Madball or another nyc hardcore band. The fucking place went totally batshit. One of the best live shows I’ve ever seen. Lost a shoe in the pit

[@Puckrocker]

@@gregorylong9056 hell yeah. With that lineup, I’m sure that was nuts.

[@rogacien666]

Old AFI show is the most viceral thing I've ever experienced... Strengh throught wounding, 500 persons sing in unison through our bleeding we are one... I've never experienced anything this powerfull ever...

[@jamesperry9197]

Old AFI always has a special place in my heart. Alot of this came out when I was in highschool

[@wayfarer13]

Haha you’re old. And so am I.

[@chairmanofthebored6860]

​@@wayfarer13I guess that means I'm old as well. Man, All Hallows through Sing the Sorrow absolutely killed

[@FTCoconutman]

AFI changed their sound so many different times they first started off as a hardcore band and just never stopped evolving

[@Inzo42]

They started out as a jokey punk band. Then just for the 2nd and 3rd album they thought they were hardcore. Hence changing the name from A Buncha Fucking Idiots to Asking For It (such a hardcore band name).

[@TheDecline99]

Now they sound like Nickleback.

[@marc5445]

@@Inzo42they’ve never confirmed those rumours though, A Fire Inside is the only one they’ll confirm.

[@deanmayberry9713]

Uh I'm pretty sure they devolved. Have you listened to their music lately?

[@stevewells4405]

They went to absolute shit when they got big. 3 great albums and then they became emo/goth weirdos making garbage music

[@davidferrand878]

"So many woah-ohs!" So funny! You should check out a cheeky little outtake song that NOFX did called Woah on the Woahs!

[@martinsanchez6864]

Between AFI and The Offspring, I don’t think we need any else to sing…..

[@BallstotheWalnuts]

Anymore Whoas

[@mcbone5746]

Hahaha you beat me to it…

[@krawkpun]

It's so funny. I didn't really think about it until NOFX called it out. After that song, I really picked up on all of AFI's woahs, and it actually starting annoying me. It's hard to hear AFI (at least old AFI) now.

[@seanmckelvey6618]

It's taken straight from the Misfits in this context.

[@tecreates2384]

Listening to this makes me realize that Streetlight Manifesto is the AFI of Ska, and both have a shared heritage in punk and before

[@clamum9648]

I've heard of Streetlight but have never heard them, maybe will have to check them out. I do like ska-punk like Suicide Machines or Less Than Jake.

[@soundsfest]

I love old AFI. The period of Black Sails, All Hallows to Art of Drowning is incredible. If you haven't seen any videos of them playing these songs live from around that time, please check them out, insane energy.

[@LateNiteTrash]

Hunter is easily one of the most underrated and overlooked bass players out there. The same can be said about the band as a whole. So damn good! 😎

[@Zaruf]

This album is peak AFI for me. I was in high school and the little pre-chorus bass riff on 'Catch A Hot One' blew my young mind.

[@BallstotheWalnuts]

For me nothing beats Art of Drowning. Anything after that I can throw away.

[@Lapo1sse]

YES ! Super stoked you chose to review this one. Black Sails in the Sunset and Art of Drowning are 2 of my favorite records of all time, let alone AFI records. Hunter is an absolute beast and gives an incredible live performance.

[@ligairi]

Your enthusiasm for the new-to-you music that we already love is so satisfying and contagious

[@chairmanofthebored6860]

One of my top 5 favorite albums. Glad you decided to revisit AFI. Hunter singlehandedly made me pick up a bass many years ago

[@bradsmithstudios8881]

Sing the sorrow while a different kind of record is also amazing.

[@StalinBballin]

Thank you Mark!!! AFI was my favorite band for nearly 20 years, and I still love them to this day. So diverse in sound, amazing songwriting, and just good dudes all around. Love that they still take hardcore bands or affiliation with them on the road.

[@81bats61]

I was lucky enough to see them in Seattle during this era of AFI....and yes the other members helped with the vocals, but most of the audience knew to join in as well.

[@Jettonx]

There’s such a divide in the AFI fans about if they evolved their sound or if they sold out or whatever.. but man I love every single album! You could check out anything from them and it all kills!! Can’t wait for what you’ve got next brother! Keep em coming 🙏🏻

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks friend!! Always appreciate you tuning in 🙏🏼

[@bryanb767]

Definitely evolved.

[@shanesmith2853]

There's an AFI album for every mood and I love that about them.

[@Jettonx]

@@shanesmith2853 exactly how I see it! No matter what I’m feeling AFI got a sound for it and I’m here for that

[@xninjaxskater]

Glad to see this song getting love. AFI has lots of great bass focus songs. Another one you should check out AFI Death of Seasons from Sing the Sorrow.

[@x8xMONSTERx8x]

The old AFI shows were great. The crowd participation made them so much better.

[@StingrayMM20]

That album was a huge part of my childhood/early adulthood. What a ride that was. Edit --> I was 17 when it dropped. I wouldn't say childhood. But then, if you ask my family and friends about that time... 😅

[@jaimefiloteo6823]

Yes!!!! I love this band and album so much!!!!!!!

[@gavinshickle1814]

The first time I heard AFI was at a hardcore festival in D.C. The crowd went absolutely insane during their set. I swear people were stacked four high in front of the stage. I knew right away that they were just different. This sound mixed with the goth esthetic was quite the first impression.

[@mylesayres6060]

Punk from this era was all about being an audio rollercoaster from start to finish. No real meter changes, unless needed, but tempo would flex from being focused on the back-beat to on-beat. And that's what's made some of the best stuff. Lightning fast chord changes, varied by whatever lead voice in a 3-5 piece lineup they had. Making magic out of simplicity is the name of the game in punk and old AFI is a prime example.

[@davidpratt8022]

Need to check out the Vandals. Great band lots of energy and fun. Amazing bass line in the song "moneys not an issue" love the videos and how much you've taken to punk keep it up 💪🏻

[@skapunker21]

i wholeheartedly agree. the vandals are my all time favorite band.

[@ricardochgz]

Thrice - Stare at the sun !!

[@gfooo6112]

Already done! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4SciZiBndxjiJosi=lvPBaN1rMWycR8vI

[@nickpaperstreet]

Dude. Seeing your personality change over the past year, you doing theae videos, you've really taken it by the horns and now that you are getting into punk rock, it's really awesome. I wish all my metal head friends loved punk rock as much as I do. You have zero elitist vibes and just get the music and understand why it is good!

[@matthewgerken7487]

Absolutely loved this reaction. AFI was my favorite band in high school and I still to this day at the age of 40 have them in heavy rotation in my playlists. First time I saw them live, I think it was ‘98, they were opening for Good Riddance.

[@bdogdog]

Sick bro, a lot of AFI fans out here, Hunter has heaps of ripper bass parts. I agree the bass mixing sounds a little lost at times on these punk records. Great album 🎉

[@bassimprovjams3772]

They do such a great job at making you feel their energy AFI never disappoints us bass players

[@josephinemoro75]

You should check out Road to Recovery by Rufio. It has that punchy bass line intro that you would definitely enjoy. Also please Like the Angel by Rise Against!!

[@acarneiro7539]

One of those rare "no skips" album. 🤘

[@Hasta-la-pasta]

Please consider doing Dag Nasty “Values here” or SNFU “Loser at Life Loser at Death”

[@northofnashira2575]

NOFX - Whoops I OD'd (Album Version)

[@ryanhardy4830]

That was great request song!! I'm with you 🔥👊🏻

[@northofnashira2575]

@@ryanhardy4830 He seems hesitant because people are falsely claiming that it's not played on bass when it is 100% bass and vocals.

[@user-gb4eb4zl8u]

@@northofnashira2575in the very end of the song, you can hear him playing the B string on a guitar. I always thought it was bass, but I believe it is an acoustic guitar probably plugged into an amp. Listen to the very last chords of the song because I swear there’s guitar chords but maybe I’m crazy

[@northofnashira2575]

You can get that high on a bass, but there are notes that are too low for it to be a guitar. Plus, the strings ring like bass strings.

[@user-gb4eb4zl8u]

@@northofnashira2575 interesting… it just sounds way different compared to the they’ve actually gotten worse live version with the full band. We need Mike to come on KZbin and settle the debate!

[@MrsChemNerd]

Makes my day seeing more punk updates from you 😊 maybe we will see some Authority Zero on here eventually?

[@davidpratt8022]

Amazing choice

[@matthathaway5015]

YESSS! I've been waiting for this one

[@LowEndUniversity]

😎

[@ericingersoll7243]

One of the most epic live shows I've ever seen was AFI probably around 1997. Davey was hanging from the rafters at the beginning of the show. The energy they had was unreal. Goosebumps.

[@kylelarsen2608]

So happy to see this today! Great example of that early/mid period AFI, especially hunter’s style from that era. Watching a live version might help you hear or see it better. As you can tell by comments, the eras of this band can be very polarizing, they essentially changed sounds every album to the point where it may even be hard to recognize who it is - I’ve loved all of the growth and evolution (though 99-2003 is hard to beat). For a less busy/fast picking style and maybe a more delicate/melodic style, I’d suggest listening to some stuff from the Sing the Sorrow sessions (now the world), Decemberunderground (endlessly she said), crash love (too late for gods), or Blood (Aurelia). Hunter is truly an amazing bass player.

[@kameronb]

To answer your question about the gang vocals, they always invited a bunch of friends over to the recording sessions to create the chorus of voices. This was really common in the scene back in the day. What a lot of fun that time was!

[@dustinhelton7402]

I feel like on their “I heard a voice” live album you can hear Hunters bass pretty cleanly

[@cesarv3238]

I think they remastered certain albums also

[@bryanb767]

Another old school one you should check out from what I consider their best album (Black Sails in the Sunset) is Narrative of Soul Against Soul. Hunter's bass is pretty forward in that one.

[@kcrknp]

Yea everyone in the band sings the gang vocals live and it sounds glorious.

[@punkthom]

"Between AFI and the Offspring, I don't think we need anyone else to sing anymore Woahs" - Fat Mike (Woah on the Woahs)

[@righteous247]

All hallows ep is goated.

[@erickhuntingfrompartsunkno7096]

One of my favorite Independent Wrestlers, Kennedi Copeland uses AFI’s Miss Murder for her entrance music and the entire crowd sings her to the ring. Such an awesome experience.

[@12344nate]

Loving your punk journey, glad to tag along.

[@travis_cannady]

You should check out: Gorilla Biscuits - New Direction Bane - Some Came Running Death By Stereo - 1 Legged Man In An Ass Kicking Contest

[@mikexisxwar]

nice suggestions. i keep trying to come up with more hardcore songs. In My Eyes has a cool intro I guess. Converge - Dark Horse is pretty wild.

[@bushleague3472]

Nice, DBS was way ahead of their time.

[@punkrockmom71]

Have you gotten any requests for The Dead Milkmen? I never realized how good their bass lines were when I started listening to them in the mid 80’s. Surfin’ Cow has a really good bass line, and Bitchin’ Camaro has a cool walking bass line. Their most popular song is Punk Rock Girl. Thanks for teaching us so much.

[@AverageGuy28]

AFI is top, It's one of the few bands I love despite changing generes many times. Their new stuff is also great, you should check out "Dulceria", from their latest album.

[@tongtongtong222]

Look up the song "Biggest Lie" by No Use for a Name. The singer Tony Sly died a while back ago, and I still don't think he gets enough praise.

[@drewstar7116]

I love this album so much. I wish they still had this sound

[@AmbianceForAll]

I don't know if i'm just bias but every time I listen to them I can't stop raving about how freakin good everyone is in the band, the drums are so powerful and inventive, bass fills the spots but is totally in it's own style, and guitar is pull-offs, hammer-ons, slides and just perfect... anyway i love this band so much

[@black.rabbipope7571]

If you like the horror punk subgenre go a bit further into a sub sub genre "horrorbilly", and Check Tiger Army - Nocturnal

[@jeremyanderson7303]

Saw them live at a small club in Pittsburgh called Laga in October 2000 right after this album came out. They pretty much played the whole album start to finish and it was nothing short of a spiritual experience with the entire place chorusing the Whoa oh oh's

[@shanesmith2853]

Definitely my favorite era of AFI! Sooooo good!

[@kylethordarson2852]

I think I first heard AFI on an older Punk-O-Rama cd (or some compilation) and then bought my first AFI album (BSITS) around the Black Sails days. Being in Highschool listening to Black Sails and Art of Drowning was like a perfect storm for teen angst : ). Hunter has done a series of live play throughs (like Fat Mike), can't remember if he did Sacrifice Theory though.

[@eduardoguerreiro8214]

My fav afi record by far

[@tyrannoeil1609]

Also, for the record, AFI take their approach to gang vocals from the Hardcore punk/Oi punk scene they grew from.

[@kolkenad]

Oh HELL yeah this album took over my life in high school. Perfect choice of song too.

[@georgeconradie4854]

Excellent! Love this song. I'm thinking Swingin Utters but can't think of a song. Any other fans here that can help out?

[@AndreBart83]

A video like this commented by a singing teacher would be interesting. Davey was incredible in those years

[@redgenash8087]

Such a good song!

[@GASmotorsports]

The old AFI songs were kinda just a chorus A and chorus B alternating with a bridge thrown in somewhere. They used a lot of oh’s and whoa’s. This is pretty well suited for small live venues where the band was sort of face to face with the crowd. With the simple structure and anthemic gang vocals the audience can be part of the live music experience, singing the chorus at the band. And with the song structure most of the song basically functions as a chorus except the bridge. The live shows are super engaging. Their formula has changed quite a bit over the years. Maybe partly because they don’t really play small venues anymore.

[@flibbidyx2]

The group vocals are different live because while multiple members of the band sing, the crowd generally sings those parts as well. I saw them once where the power kept going out and everyone in the venue did half a song a cappella.

[@manny8309]

Love the videos and your tour into punk and ska! How about “Stuff That I Like” or “Vocal Coach” from Bomb the Music Industry!

[@cesarv3238]

One of my favorite bands hunter the bassist and Jade the guitarist are a rare combination that have evolved together and it always works. I would request you check out victor wooten he's a dynamic bass player that slaps nad uses harmonics on bass

[@erwinschrodinkle7228]

I love LOVE *LOVE* AFI

[@jonathanbarb5516]

This album was a game changer for me when it came out

[@vikkithompson7504]

This is top tier AFI. I have a Sacrifice Theory tattoo. It’s one of, if not my number 1 Al time favorite AFI song.

[@Phil-ey6yh]

Nitro era AFI was absolutely rad!!!! The song "Smile" off this sane album is a minute and a half lesson on how much this band used to just crush.

[@wingnut643]

Great video as always! Another song that comes to mind for me when you talk about the role reversal idea of guitar and bass is Jenny Was a Friend of Mine by The Killers. If you check that song out, try to do the live version from Royal Albert Hall in 2009. Great stuff! It's been awhile since I've made any recommendations, but gonna throw a suggestion out for more Karnivool. New Day, Umbra, or Deadman would be great options, all from the same album as Goliath. And Chris Wolstenholme and Muse would be a good new band to listen to (live versions of Bliss live at The Mayan or Reapers from the Drones World Tour are both great with the bass mixed very well). Keep doing what you're doing!

[@matravenscroft1193]

Hot Water Music next! Maybe some of their new stuff 👍

[@drivingtennessee4926]

He did Drag My Body not too long ago

[@gnarxy]

yes, all the WOA's (AFI were king of them) at the show the entire crowd would lunge toward the stage and scream them as loud as we could. davey would get to the stage apron, thrive off the energy, grab people in the crowd and give the mic to everyone. This album was an amazing era in AFI tours. nowadays its prob huge crowds and people on phones.

[@bryanb767]

Was at an AFI show last year, wasn't a huge crowd at all, and most people toward the front were definitely going crazy and not on their phone, I know because I was as far up front as I could get. Was such an awesome experience, I got to touch Davey when he came out into the crowd and had us hold him up.

[@2tonesg]

One of their best.

[@n__rtu8324]

Also Fall Children :)

[@granthew71]

Man! What a ripping song. Loved it. ⚡️

[@benzspoon]

would love to see some Satanic Surfers - 666 motor inn songs on this channel !!!

[@CristyReacts]

Not sure if you know but NOFX has a song called "Whoa on the Whoas" that calls out AFI for singing "whoa" so much in their songs, lol

[@juliusseizure324]

Between AFI, and the Offspring, I don’t think we need anymore Whoaaaas….

[@LowEndUniversity]

LOL, love it! NOFX seem to have some of the wittiest, snarkiest humor the more I learn about them and read their song/album titles.

[@keithglynn3928]

⁠@@juliusseizure324I don’t think we need anyone else to sing anymore whoas we’re against whoas we hate whoas we’re against woahs

[@cesarv3238]

NOFX mattersville. Davey havoc's house is painted black

[@TheJoeyBones]

If you're loving this era of AFI, you gotta check out Evelyn's Casket! AFI has hopped genres a few times, and I think they really cut this style way too short. Evelyn's Casket feels to me like where AFI could have gone if they continued to follow this sort of sound.

[@fc_wade6971]

If you’re digging this style of horror punk, check out Balzac. Japanese horror punk heavily influenced by the Misfits with great gang vocals. “Out of the Blue II” it’s awesome with great jams throughout.

[@daylearmstrong4447]

If you wanna here the transition from this to Decemberunderground(album with miss murder), then I would recommend checking out the album Sing the Sorrow. Idk what i would suggest to showcase the bass tho

[@Crime_flies]

Heck yeah!

[@blairmcmackin8857]

LAWRENCE ARMS! "Nebraska" or "Quincenteple your Money"

[@clamum9648]

I'm a fan of The Lawrence Arms fo sho. I'd say "Cut It Up" would be decent for bass.

[@jasonmizuno6117]

Their greatest album in my opinion. Love AFI

[@ligairi]

7:43 This section reminds me of Good Riddance and Screw 32

[@matthewgerken7487]

I remember waiting in line at GrayWhale cd exchange in ‘2000 for the midnight release of this album. They had pizza and Pepsi for everyone.

[@t1joel]

I've been enjoying your videos on old punk songs. Would absolutely love to see you check out a song by the band X!

[@digbyrocket]

Just to answer your question - does everyone in the band sing - I was obsessed with AFI when this album came out and saw them in concert 4 times (including with Rancid at the Palladium, one of the greatest shows of my life). Yes, all three of the other members jump in on the mic during the live shows.

[@MrSirhcsellor]

Such a great record! The last of their purely punk/hardcore records before the major label dive, ‘Sing the Sorrow’. Still also a great record though admittedly, I’d say their last really great record, just a different flavour, not as punk. I mentioned it on your last AFI vid, but it bares repeating; old AFI was one of (if not thee) best punk bands of the mid and late 90’s. They absolutely dominated the hardcore scene during this record and the shows were insane! I do truly miss those days…I’m happy they found major success, because they certainly deserved it, but I do sometimes wish they’d go on the road playing shitty little clubs and basements again, playing nothing but these old songs….but if they did, good luck getting into one.😅 Just goes to show how short lived the best times in a band’s history can be. A good reminder to catch these bands when they’re freshly dominating scenes, cause you just never know what you’re missing out on!

[@RGH-CarpFarm]

I really love these in-depth analysis of "old" songs I listen to daily still to this day. AFI, as well as Tiger army always have a special place in my heart, such sweet memories! Check out Much the Same - Crying Wolf, speaking of old. This is the song that inspired me to play Bass like 20 years ago. Much the Same - Liar is also very fun to play. Also if you like AFI, Davey Havok, frontman of AFI is very close friends with "Nick13", frontman of Tiger Army, Nick13 is also featured on a lot of songs of AFI. Tiger Army is also very enjoyable to listen to as Bassist, Psychobilly music, the bassist uses an upright bass, producing a unique sound, also check them out!

[@anton00215]

A Single Second off of Shut your Mouth and Open your Eyes is my favorite. My cat is also named Hunter because of AFI.

[@nstreep]

I'm not sure how much experience you have with The Misfits but they are integral to understanding this era of AFI, especially the whoa-oh back ups. Misfits aren't exactly a crazy bass driven band like other and later punk bands would evolve to be so I'm not sure if they'd be a great fit for this channel but without them this era of AFI would not exist.

[@Hasta-la-pasta]

Very true. I saw AFI in the back of a music store in 98’ Davey was acting like misfit era Danzig. Definitely a lot of “whoas”

[@soda-gi3rh]

the fact you havent done strung out is insane

[@aj81ds]

Hunter is amazing, definitely one of my favorite punk rock bass players. Regarding gang vocals, it’s a mix between 1, 2 or all 3 of the other members singing. Also, if you really want to hear all those lovely bass notes louder check out Athan Condax’s bass cover of this song. He has massive amount of AFI covers, they’re so good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/enWoZpSnhLKlqNEsi=a_675sx4R4ZL_U7w

[@astrogallotron]

Old AFI is the best AFI 😁 please react to Oingo Boingo 🙏

[@DangerDavez]

One of the best punk albums I've ever heard. Wester and Nephilim are the standouts for me but their isn't a weak song on here.

[@TheSeamusFarrellGiants]

This album takes me back to my mates garage in Sydney, Aus. He was a big fan. Feels like we're surrounded by his dads tools and wood off cuts whilst drinking whatever rubbish beer we could afford as 19 year olds.

[@vexumvii3559]

its the whoa ohs that make them who they are, big dawg

[@rbalara31]

Day whatever of me asking for you to check out Matt Freeman's Bass Bunker. I really think you'll like the videos, specially the new one where he goes over his P Bass and what males it unique to his sound.

[@anofsti]

You should tag these as Punk reactions, not that it matters much for AFI, but there are so many punk bands that even I, who've literally wrote a paper on punk for my bachelor's degree, have discovered three or four bands from your channel Also react to Millencolin - Move Your Car, and Refused - Deadly Rhythm. Two great bands from Scandinavia (I'd say Sweden because it's true - but I'm Norwegian and we didn't have a good scene like our eastern brother had, so I'm taking credit for theirs)

[@anofsti]

And if you liked horror punk you should definitely check out Nekromantix too. And look up pictures of his custom coffin bass

[@vladsonofdragon1161]

Let's gooo!