Hi Everyone. Just wanted to chime in and say a big THANK YOU to everyone who’s replied to my original comment on the subject that the OG Phill posted in this episode. A big thank you to you Phill for the great work you do and the way in which you do it. You’re so non-judgemental, (unlike myself 😅) on the subject and you do a great job in educating me personally. Our industry needs more people like you and we’re all of us lucky to have you. I didn’t see anything from you in my IG DM’s which is okay but just letting you know once agin that you have an open invitation to chat and exchange views via FaceTime as I’m sure there are some who my question that it’s actually me. As I mentioned above, I wanted to thank all of you that have replied to my original comment. You’ve all said the nicest things about me and I’m humbled. Sorry I haven’t responded to each of you individually but I just wanted you to know that I’ve acknowledged all of your views in response and that I appreciate you all took the time to do so. It’s seems that as a whole we’re in collective agreement with regard to the integrity of this art form that we’re all so privileged to be a part of, no matter the capacity or level in which we do so. I know that I have been so lucky to have found my purpose very early on in music and I’d even go as far as to say that I don’t think I would’ve made it through life if it hadn’t found me. The wonderful accolades I’ve been fortunate to experience in this journey have all been nice, don’t get me wrong but when all’s said and done, it’s the ‘journey’, the hard graft, the low points that seemed like failing at the time are what I hold closest to my heart. So I guess it’s down to us now to keep fighting the good fight. No we’re not neurosurgeons or curing cancer but we are in our own way healing the world through our music. Here’s to ‘US’ and never giving up in our quest to preserve the integrity of our beloved art form. -Seal
@wingsofpegasus2 ай бұрын
I've sent over a message via Instagram 🙂
@bobfrankish88832 ай бұрын
Seal?! As if!! I am 71 now, and you are still one of my all-time favourite artists. Thank you so much for the joy you have given me and many others.
@seal-nowweretalking67532 ай бұрын
@@bobfrankish8883 Aww 🥰 thank you Brother. It’s feedback like the one you give that in turn gives me the reason to continue making and performing music. ✌🏾&💜
@patrickjordan22332 ай бұрын
Sir?! thank you for not only for the art you create and created...but also the courage to defend that "art".. I love your work! ❤
@dorianleakey2 ай бұрын
The only reason i questioned if it was you was your channel is empty, I was assuming there would be something of you there, which would be nice.
@weedywet2 ай бұрын
Thanks for that. I'm the bass guitarist and MD in Cyndi's band and I can at least tell you that we had a LOT of monitor issues at Glasto. But yes, everything we played and sang was 100% live.
@angusbabb49132 ай бұрын
we could all see that and all credit to you , i personally enjoyed the set nontheless
@tonye90452 ай бұрын
@weedywet and all power to you and the band for working through that. Seems to have been an issue for quite a few at Glasto this year. That said, I’d still rather get an imperfect live performance than a ‘playback’ with barely anything live happening. That’s how we learnt and got better! I feel sorry for anyone that hasn’t experienced a proper ‘live’ concert.
@FFmybest2 ай бұрын
Are you going to play with her on the final tour? Can't wait to see it live.
@EmptyGlass992 ай бұрын
It is so obviously live and all the better for it.
@dinetk31252 ай бұрын
I saw her at RAH and I loved it! It was one big party and I really really love her.
@seal-nowweretalking67532 ай бұрын
Hi Brother, this is Seal here, (recording artist) and I just want to say a big thank you for what you’re doing. You’re very diplomatic/politically correct when breaking down these performances ….much more so than I 🤬😂. The reality is that the bar is way lower than that of my generation of singers and those who came before me, those whom I looked up to. I often ask myself the question, if I was starting out today would I aspire to be like the artists in this video given what we all know of their performances? The answer is a resounding NFW!! When I was coming up, my heroes were Marvin, Stevie, Joni, Carol. That was the bar then. So it’s really difficult for me to respect any of what I hear coming from these artists today both in terms of live performance AND actual song writing which is a whole other subject entirely. When I was recording my earlier records such as the ones with Kiss From A Rose, Crazy, Love’s Divine etc, auto tune existed but we just didn’t use it as it was frowned upon by my mentor the great Trevor Horn who made me sing it over and over again until I got the fkn thing right. Then he’d make me stack up my harmonies eight times per harmony! So give me flat or sharp notes in a live performance any day over some homogenised, lifeless pitch-corrected version. I just don’t understand the point of faking it live. Where’s the artistry? Where’s the challenge? Where’s the understanding of history? Where’s the f****ing dignity and artistic self-respect?? Anyway, end of rant -Seal
@jukesy19922 ай бұрын
Wait, it's you? I remember Kiss from a Rose. Great song. I also agree with everything you've said.
@beandipcartography2 ай бұрын
Perfectly stated, thank you.
@peterthepilot44132 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct, wonderfully said, by the way I love your music!!!
@MG53v82 ай бұрын
I think its because image and followers first , then fix the rest later.
@seal-nowweretalking67532 ай бұрын
@@MG53v8Honestly I just don’t know what it is and I really don’t wanna sound like one of those ‘oh back in my day’ types but recently some well known rappers came up to my home in LA where I have a studio. They wanted me to do a a-hmm ‘top line’ on something they were making. Now I’m always flattered whenever someone wants me to work with them as collaboration has always been my favourite aspect of music. So I came up with something that I actually thought was okay but not great, anyway I digress. They were happy with it so then I decided to do what I do when approaching my own music which was to; 1. Sing the line until I got one pass right. That means in tune, in time, correct phrasing and most importantly right emotion and feel. 2. Start adding the first of a three part harmony to the main line. Once I got the first harmony right which involved matching the main line and singing it in tune, I then muted the main line and started singing three more passes to the new harmony line, each time muting the previous attempt so that they don’t all stack up while I’m doing them. This way you avoid getting sloppy and you’re best able to maintain critical accuracy. 3. I then repeated the process for the other two harmonies. When I’d completed, I looked over and they were completely gobsmacked and couldn’t if their lives depended on it, figure out why I just didn’t get the computer, ie melodime or whatever it’s called to just automatically spit out the harmonies based off of the original lead line I sang!! To me it was another day at the office because that’s the way I was taught. That’s the way you make ‘RECORDS’ that hopefully withstand the test of time so that when the listener listens to said record for the 100th time, they hear something on the recording that they never heard before. That artform seems all but lost and my heart sinks 😢. I’m not saying this because I’m trying to boast about my work ethic, I’m a very good singer, not great in my opinion. I’m saying this because that’s how ‘WE ALL MADE RECORDS’ when I started out! The recording studio was hallowed ground and you had to earn the respect of your piers to be in it!! Now people make ‘beats’ in a fkn laptop and call themselves producers when most of them couldn’t produce a blow-**b in a brothel!! Gimme a break 🤬 That same laziness and instant gratification is inherent in the live performance. Why sing it in tune when you can use autotune live? Sorry for the rant. 😅
@JJlovesPrince2 ай бұрын
I just keep hearing Prince saying “real music by real musicians” in my head over and over again.
@buggater2 ай бұрын
Legendary quote from an absolute legend in every way
@AlexisEvanoff2 ай бұрын
Same!
@ardeflogisto2 ай бұрын
❤
@matthewphilip19772 ай бұрын
Not sure Prince is a good example. You take away the effects pedals and the amps and you have a tinny little toy guitar sound.
@Mark-cq1mo2 ай бұрын
Prince was a highly-skilled multi-instrumentalist, vocalist, and songwriter. Regardless of whether you like his songs, his talent was phenomenal.
@jenniferr67493 ай бұрын
Back in the day you went to live concerts because you wanted to get a different take on each performance. That was part of the fun of it. It's what you couldn't hear on the radio. Extended versions, amazing guitar or drum solos, raw emotion. People don't know what they are missing. I saw Santana, Chicago, Kiss, Deep Purple, Elvis and more all in the mid 70's through early 80's and they were worth every penny.
@jimandlizhudson25013 ай бұрын
Totally agree. Those bands that just played it exactly like the record were criticised. We, the audience wanted it real and a new take.
@mikedtw3 ай бұрын
ABSOLUTELY!!! When I was a kid I used to think live albums were awful because they didn't sound exactly like what I was used to (the studio versions) but thankfully I very quickly came to appreciate the differences in sound, both subtle and profound and now prefer live recordings for the most part! And that was the exact reason to go to a concert, to see how the artists were presenting material they'd now been exercising on the road. For sure!
@HeavyTopspin3 ай бұрын
That's because you were listening to rock bands and not trashy pop music. You're not going to find this from most of the acts playing at, say, Wacken Open Air, because in the worlds of rock and metal, the skill of the instrumentalists is every bit as important as the vocals.
@marysalvi2423 ай бұрын
@@mikedtw Oh, I did love live albums because well back then without a "safety net" you got to hear maybe a missing word or usually the beat was almost always so much faster than the original it lent itself to me just feeling as if i was there - which from 10years old or so I was there & I've the albums though no turntable which with what's out today is much needed in my home. 75 years old, am a singer (not active) I'll pick up my hairbrush mic. Wait, I have real mics now. lol
@davidwhitfield64323 ай бұрын
And penny's they were. I once saw ZZ TOP, Blue Oyster Cult, Savoy Brown, Billy Preston, and Deep Purple for $6.00 advanced $6.50 day of the show. I recently found the ticket, it's why I remembered .
@BlackCatMargie3 ай бұрын
I would rather pay to see an imperfect live performance from a true talent like Cyndi, than what amounts to a download from Spotify, any day.
@DavidRFIT2 ай бұрын
Imperfect is human. Perfect is silly.
@nellie3712 ай бұрын
I watched Taylor's concert film to see what the fuss was about so perfect such good visuals such on and off lip synching why have people wasted hundreds to see her live as a dot in the distance or projected on a screen watch the film and have better visuals of her combo live and lip synching show, turning point for me was the Stones in 96 came out asking friends if I had seen the stones or just lots of special effects so different to when I saw them in 82. best recent concerts Suzi Quattro and Bonnie Raitt they sing live, and they use no gimmicky effects. The drive to big arena concerts has been a big factor in the rise of lip synched shows
@gefaehrlich2 ай бұрын
@@nellie371I think you might be making a good point but it's barely readable
@susanmacdonald42882 ай бұрын
If I wanted a perfect performance, I could stay in the comfort of my easy chair and listen to a recording.
@robgrano68142 ай бұрын
Hear, hear. And when you catch a live act that truly manages to echo, if not duplicate, their recorded sound you know you're experiencing something special. Those types of shows have long been my favorite.
@leomarshall40592 ай бұрын
No two actual live performances of any song will ever match - and that is the beauty of seeing artists performing live. If I want to hear the studio recording, I'll listen to it at home.
@tktspeed1433Ай бұрын
@@zxccxz164 as long as it is pop.
@akki-al-kin2 күн бұрын
the album is cheaper and you can repeat a song, or pause.. :))
@MellissaBoomeroftheNight2 ай бұрын
Amazing that the women whose voices have gone through aging, illness, lifestyle challenges, etc., are the ones CHOOSING to do it authentically. Thanks again, Fil!
@RetroQueenGamer2 ай бұрын
Forgot throat cancer in cyndi's case.
@jolonstone33222 ай бұрын
@RetroQueenGamer Pretty sure that throat cancer counts as an illness.
@Gatsu_Gambino2 ай бұрын
I’m a singer, after I got Covid I started having heart, lung and kidney problems. I’m beginning to lose my voice. It’s all I have and if I lose that I will have nothing.
@windyhawthorn7387Ай бұрын
Singing is such an wonderful feeling.
@artv.9989Ай бұрын
I mean it would look weird if these old women were to do lip syncing with the voices they had in like the 80s, so they kinda had no choice but to sing with their actual voice
@RobinHood-yk8og2 ай бұрын
"they sound the same live as they do on the record..." - this used to be a compliment
@paulperkins16152 ай бұрын
Maybe to some people. But I don't see any reason to bother with a live performance that is just like the original recording. I call it a recital and I'd rather just stay home.
@MsJimmysgirl2 ай бұрын
People always said Steve Perry of Journey sounded better live than in studio. That's a compliment not sounding the same.
@paulperkins16152 ай бұрын
@@MsJimmysgirl I always hated the way Steve Perry sounded on those Journey records. If he sounded different live, then good for him.
@CoTeCiOtm2 ай бұрын
@@paulperkins1615the way I interpret "they sound the same as they do on record" is not that they're mimicking the original version exactly, but that the band is as tight and proficient as in the record and the engineering of the audio is on par with the studio sound, but of course the performances differ, maybe the stuff is played faster, the guitar solo is a bit different, the vocals are less perfect. The band recorded material in a studio and is good enough they can play that same material on a live setting
@michaelme15482 ай бұрын
@@CoTeCiOtmIt’s great when the band is tight and has practiced versions of songs that are a little different from the record. It makes you feel lucky to be there.
@MabaseDrifterАй бұрын
The performances on MTV Unplugged were always the best performances from any artist who went on there. Just a small venue, real instruments, and real voices.
@faustomadebrАй бұрын
Yep. Mariah singing before she went crazy was heaven.
@YtCondonesAnimalAbuseАй бұрын
Alice in Chains is still my favorite. Layne starts to sing the wrong song but he is a human being so that's fine. Also he's had some.. refreshments, so he's kind of out of it, but it's still sooo good
@GracelessheartsАй бұрын
My favorite Nirvana album was from MTV unplugged.
@hopegold88325 күн бұрын
Oh yeah! And back then the “real artists” were complaining about MTV! Well, on second thought, I think “Unplugged” may have been a reaction to that.
@GRMNCVS22 күн бұрын
@@YtCondonesAnimalAbuseDown In a Hole Unplugged is simply haunting
@KyleBrightman2 ай бұрын
Ever since I saw the video when I think of live music I think of Tracy Chapman in June 1988 playing “Fast Car” with nothing but a microphone and a guitar. No software, no backing track, pure music and all the feels.
@Frozy_lolipop2 ай бұрын
I was at Tracey’s concert in Australia in 88 it was just her and her guitar I was in 6th grade , it was incredible ❤
@TheKevinGHutton2 ай бұрын
I saw Laura Marling do the same in Edinburgh. Her band all had the flu so rather than cancel the gig, it was just Laura with a guitar and a mic. It was wonderful.
@lynneclarke62652 ай бұрын
Tracy could sing a phone directory and it would fantastic. She's so great.
@skorpiogrl2 ай бұрын
@@Frozy_lolipop Gah! I'm so jealous! I've loved Tracey since I was a kid ❤
@skorpiogrl2 ай бұрын
@@TheKevinGHutton I don't know who she is, but that is epic! Much respect to Laura and the band 🤗
@paranormalinpdx3 ай бұрын
Thank you for highlighting Cyndi, it drvies me bonkers people trying to drag her vocals, she's working hard at 71 :)
@Dharma_Bum2 ай бұрын
Saw the same thing with Debbie Harry (blondie) last year. She clearly had a problem with her in ear audio and was singing flat, she literally said ‘up up up’ multiple times during the gig. But everyone saying, poor old birds lost her voice. Plus she was 78 years old at the time ffs. Still rocking hard
@findinggspots64412 ай бұрын
I hope I sound as good singing at 71!
@tecnoguy1136Ай бұрын
I mean there are better examples of artists in their 80s and 90s nailing the vocals tbh.
@JimNortonsAlcoholismАй бұрын
@@tecnoguy1136who?
@tecnoguy1136Ай бұрын
@@JimNortonsAlcoholism Paul McCartney at Glastonbury a few years ago lol. Then with people getting on in age, Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham are pitch perfect still. Rick Astley and then lots of people in their 50s who have been singing for years at a very high level. Josh Homme has been performing in bands for 38 years at this point and he sounds better than ever. So not sure why Cindie is getting the kid gloves, someone with less notoriety would be absolutely crapped on for such a performance. Like Ellie Rowsell getting flak for basically singing without being able to hear when her in ears were a disaster during a Glastonbury set.
@kahvipaputyyppiАй бұрын
It's called performing playback. I'm born in the 90's and back then it was considered lazy and pathetic to perform playback, it has become more and more common. It's great to see some bands actually play and sing on the gig. Also I think this kind of video shouldn't get copyright flagged, you are literally educating us about history and changes about the culture of performing live.
@sunshinedaydream70Ай бұрын
Tis lazy
@marianolaguzzi28 күн бұрын
It absolutely shouldn't be copyright struck, it falls neatly into the realm of "fair use". Unfortunately though, copyright claim systems on KZbin are automated and will thus flag things that realistically shouldn't. One can argue the claim, but usually the damage is already done even if the claim actually gets removed. One could also sue in court for damages theoretically, but it's too expensive for it to be worth it
@austingoyne30392 күн бұрын
Same and I have a distinct memory of my family criticizing Britney Spears for this exact thing. Now it’s become the norm.
@Jettypilelegs3 ай бұрын
As a singer myself I can’t imagine using studio recordings in the mix, it’s like these artists are doing karaoke of themselves. The magic happens between the notes when performing live, and the rush of synergy with the band is unbeatable.
@DistantCousin2 ай бұрын
Well that's an opinion. Backing vocals have always been a thing
@patwilson25462 ай бұрын
@@DistantCousin Sung live by backing vocalists, not from a recording.
@patwilson25462 ай бұрын
it's not even that. At least in a karaoke bar the person singing is actually singing.
@popoff78082 ай бұрын
@@patwilson2546 The is Ru Pauls Drag Race lip-sync for your life. LOL!
@DistantCousin2 ай бұрын
@@patwilson2546 there were 4 people singing backing vocals on that stage
@clairearendse48772 ай бұрын
When I saw this vid I also saw a suggestion on my feed for Rick Astley at Glastonbury in 2023 performing Never gonna give you up. That's actually live. Rick nails the vocals, talks to the crowd, introduces each member of the band, lets them play a solo each, then closes out his set with one last chorus of Never Gonna give You up. When the band drops in and out with their solos you can hear them adjust and listen to each other. There's no mistaking that it was a live performance.
@littlecatfeet90642 ай бұрын
I loved that performance! Even the security guards were getting into it.
@pentatonicpaddy2 ай бұрын
and he plays drums
@kyachdistent13012 ай бұрын
More proof Glastonbury is never to be taken seriously (as if we didn't know) when a S/A/W teaboy's soppy 1987 factory-made signature 'tune' is happily welcomed on. And to think he was likely the best thing there, which says it ALL about where we are today in the long dead music scene!
@zlobzor2 ай бұрын
@@kyachdistent1301 Aaahh, I take it you are the font of all musical authority, on what passes as "worthy"? Sure, I don't like the stuff Glasto has on these days. I'm not keen on Rick Astley, but dude is a musician. He's kept performing and playing, even when he wasn't a household name. Sure. His hit was designed as a by the numbers hit. Guess what. That's been happening for as long as the recording industry has existed. Glasto is a buisness. It's always going to pick artists that bring in the money. That's ALWAYS been Glasto. That money doesn't come from ticket sales. Unfortunately, younger audiences are used to pitch perfect recordings, & karioke "live" sets, and I guess modern singers either don't have the confidence to perform live, or they/the record label don't want out of key footage around "damaging" the song. After all, you are never going to leave a Dua Lipa set thinking "gosh, she performed really badly today. Her voice was so off!" Fans are always going to get the "performance" they expect.
@fizzyridertoo2 ай бұрын
We probably have similar tastes. Last year I saw Culture Club, Howard Jones and Berlin. This year it'll be OMD, 10cc and ELO with probably Greenday too. Maybe our generations were spoiled because there are precious few modern artists that I respect, with the notable exception of Ren (amazing artist if you haven't heard him).
@RealBastard-q9u2 ай бұрын
Hi Fil, I'm a retired live sound engineer from New Zealand, having mixed at least 1000 shows; everything from a solo artist in a bar to international artists at festivals. I am appalled at the quality of sound engineering I often hear at contemporary concerts. At the Big Day out, an historical NZ and Australian series of annual events with major and up and coming international and local artists (on which I managed front of house sound for the second tier stage), it was extremely rare for an artist to have monitor issues like Cynidi has in your video. Recently, I have noticed some sound engineers looking at the screen of their digital mixing console and obviously not listening to the sound they are supposed to be mixing. I appreciaqte what you do on this channel, thanks.
@im3phirebird81Ай бұрын
At least these sound engineers have the right political stance to be mixing this festival.
@disklamerАй бұрын
All digital mixer, but no dedicated controls. Because scrolling through menus to find the eq for the backing vocals is so much more fun and easier than just reaching and adjusting
@hardlines5472Ай бұрын
As a musician of too many years standing! I've found that most "sound engineers" aren't very good. Good ones are like hens' teeth and always get the good gigs.
@disklamerАй бұрын
@@hardlines5472 definitely, alas it is too often about who you know, not what you know
@RealBastard-q9uАй бұрын
@@hardlines5472 In my experience the majority of rigs are good enough, not so the majority of engineers.
@sjab59873 ай бұрын
Blows my mind that Cindy is 71. Absolute legend.
@michael37283 ай бұрын
She's good enough for me.
@vanzandt88093 ай бұрын
Why does it?
@mariannemaloneywitherspoon63353 ай бұрын
She’s starting he final tour this year. ❤😊 1:22
@maluminse60133 ай бұрын
She wasn't a kid when she broke out.
@RVZNKaraoke3 ай бұрын
@@michael3728you goonie!
@solarvanlife81773 ай бұрын
Cyndi's always sang "off the lines". That's what makes Cyndi, Cyndi. It's called emotion....:) That's what makes live performances enjoyable. Drum sticks lost or broken. Cymbals falling over. Drum heads breaking with the stage hands scrambling. It all adds to the excitement and uniqueness of watching live. You can say, I was there when that happened. I'll stay home if I want to hear the studio version. Great review Fil....
@mirandaaileen2 ай бұрын
This! There’s something so unique about a live performance that I love. Like a fingerprint, not a one exactly like the other. I listen for the moment the artist takes a chance, does something a little different than the studio version. That’s the whole reason I love live. That, and the emotional infusion into the song at any particular moment. What would be the point of paying for a “live” concert for anything other than that? I’d rather just watch that at home on a big screen to go along with the “perfect” studio version on Spotify.
@RaveyDavey2 ай бұрын
Sort of. Pretty sure she wasn’t doing it all intentionally. They clearly had monitoring problems.
@KevinLuper9924 күн бұрын
Stay home. No more grumpy arm crossers at shows.
@casey316522 ай бұрын
I've been discussing pitch correction with a young (29) co-worker and his argument is that you want the performance to be "perfect." Why would you want to hear something that's not "perfect." And I can't seem to make him see that perfection is the enemy of the music's soul. Perfection is lifeless. It's fake. I have learned so much from your videos about what's wrong with most of the music today. I'll keep my music with all the minor flaws there but also the passion and the glory. Now, I wish you would do an analysis of a singer that I consider one of the greatest voices of all time -- Shawn Phillips, circa 1971. He's 80 now and still does some performing and the control and the breath aren't always there, but he can still SING. And no one sings with more joy than Shawn.
@jeanpommesАй бұрын
This is why AI music will lose.
@thegreenmanofnorwichАй бұрын
"Perfection" is an interesting one. Because it's kind of bland in a weird way, it's something for everyone. The changes to nuance, pronunciation, pause etc gives more personality. I do wonder if those "imperfections" will be introduced into music production software.
@bsadewitzАй бұрын
@@jeanpommesAI isn't fighting us. We haven't developed AI that can fight us. The sort of generative AI that came in the scene several years ago needs to be trained with training data, and there are potential problems with training AI models on the output of another. It's like inbreeding or copying audio or video tape. People said the same thing about electronic instruments, all sorts of recorded media, etc. Music is still alive, and we (at least for the time being) have the advantage of "training" on life experience.
@felixu95Ай бұрын
Not sure how this thread devolved into AI talk, but to get back on track - take it from another 29 year old that not everyone wants perfection in a recording. The voice is the instrument most inherently capable of communicating emotion, feeling, and intent. When a performer's voice cracks into a cry, you hear what they are feeling at that moment in time. It's a connection that makes music powerful. Stripping all of that away just turns the song into so much less than it could be. Thankfully it's a fad that even among younger generations doesn't affect all bands, genres, etc. My optimistic view of it is that a prerecorded backing track can help preserve a vocalist's voice. IMHO the 'right' way to do marathon singing sessions would be alter the melodies and performance to reduce vocal strain, but I'm also not up there singing as much and as long as a pop star, so my take is gonna be an uninformed one.
@macmcleod1188Ай бұрын
It's like the argument made by people who go to a theater with 500 other people and then want everyone to remain completely silent rather than share a crowd experience together. With the audience silent, it's about the same was watching it on your 75" TV from your couch (and then most say they prefer that way over the theater).
@MrVvulf3 ай бұрын
So...Milli Vanilli were just "ahead of their time". There's no difference between the "live performance" Milli Vanilli perpetrated in Connecticut in 1989 which ultimately led to their downfall, and what Dua Lipa did at Glastonbury. Well, there IS a difference...audience standards and expectations have slid so low that people under 30 years of age can't notice a difference AND don't even care that the "performers" are doing nothing more than moving about like animatronics. Glastonbury has become akin to an expensive adult oriented Chuck E. Cheese.
@paulelverstone86773 ай бұрын
Have said this for years now. Milli Vanilli were simply pioneers of what people wanted (or were satisfied with) from popular music... ;o)
@atreb563 ай бұрын
Well said.
@vaderladyl3 ай бұрын
I don't know but this was common on TV shows back in the day.
@MrVvulf3 ай бұрын
@@vaderladyl I agree in principle. However, nobody showed up at the Ed Sullivan show thinking they were getting a "live concert" experience, nor did they pay exorbitant fees to do so.
@carolp59683 ай бұрын
It's TOTALLY different! Milli Vanilli DID NOT do the actual singing on their recordings. All the vocals were done by session musicians, not the duo.
@Fl4ppers3 ай бұрын
I read some news articles where they really slagged Lauper off for her voice, and fawned over Lipa. The press have been bad at pushing this autotuned "perfection".
@Tracymmo3 ай бұрын
The British press is usually terrible about anything good.
@davidwhitfield64323 ай бұрын
Does anyone even know what's going on in the buisness. Gotta be honest if not for Fil I wouldn't know how prevalent it's become. And being a product of the 70s and a tad stupid, thinking how cool it was to stand in front of those huge Marshals, my hearing isn't what it used to be.
@stuartcarden13713 ай бұрын
@@davidwhitfield6432- I'm a product of the 90s and maybe the last generation silly enough to stand in front of massive Marshals 😅
@cbass27553 ай бұрын
They build up who they want…untalented women who just shake their bodies…It’s singing and the music I want. Not your butt or boobs!
@jim2lane3 ай бұрын
And that is why so many artists are leaning on autotune and backing tracks now. The expectation now for both fans and the press is that your live performances will sound exactly like your studio versions
@Rose_Castle2 ай бұрын
I went to see a band called Crowded House when I was in my 20s. I had been listening since I was a child, I fell in love with the lyrics and the melody. Seeing them live, they didn't sound EXACTLY the same. The lead singer was white-haired, older, smooth, but a polished voice from a long career of doing this live. I sobbed. Like I was a grown woman just sobbing during some songs because it was such a deeply emotional moment. And you have that magic moment in live concerts, where the crowd is into it and you can FEEL the energy of the performer and it is clear they can feel your energy and there is this back and forth. I feel sorry for younger generations because it was such a beautiful experience that might be harder for them to have. To hear the raw sound of art, still honed. Like the beauty of an old arrow-head. It may seem aged and ragged, but it was honed to a fine point and maintains that same value. If that makes any sense, I'm not great with metaphors.
@bramstayer2 ай бұрын
They were and are a great group! I loved singing 'Dont Dream, it's Over' at work...hey now hey now.....😂
@pensivelyrebelling2 ай бұрын
I just saw Crowded House last year. They’re still so good!
@imjustsomeguy722 ай бұрын
Neil still has it. I think they've either just finished or are currently touring a new album. Neil's voice still rings like a bell.
@Rose_Castle2 ай бұрын
@imjustsomeguy72 He was my first celebrity crush. I was a little kid and my mum was like "ew no, he's not good looking" but I could NOT be convinced. His words....his voice...the melody. I still have amazing taste in men, unlike my mother 💅
@fielding6096Ай бұрын
This experience is still available to switched on people who seek out indie music, those shows are much cheaper or even free
@thomasscottwilliams66723 ай бұрын
George Michael live was incredible and he just used his backing singers to help him harmonise and literally back up
@cheery-hex2 ай бұрын
highly underrated vocalist
@EmsXGuitar2 ай бұрын
No, there was huge amount of processing on his live vocals.
@stevehilton61842 ай бұрын
Don't talk stupid@@EmsXGuitar
@debblouin3 ай бұрын
Cyndi is performing rather than presenting. That is the difference.
@micheldonais74763 ай бұрын
It's not false. I'll do some apology for pop shows such as our much loved TS or Dua, where most people have a cell phone nowadays and are recording their own version of the show. In fact, you get such show live on KZbin if you look far enough, all thanks to people with what boils down to portable 4K/60 cameras. People, in pop, expect perfection, expect a dynamic show, people running around, pyros, costume changes, name it, all while being perfect for everyone's cameras as a small bit of baby fat or imperfect mascara will get slammed down. Is it entertaining? OF COURSE it's entertaining, and I recommend these shows all the time. This is not what is expected from old show foggies, or 1st parts, or newcomers. 3 hours worth of Rush (R40 was awesome), Rammstein, Pink Floyd, it's different, it's instrumental at times, it's expected to be less Physical (pun on Dua) for the artists. Cindy, she has the grand luxury of not caring anymore. She's a legend. But she's also not running around the stage doing acrobatics like a P!nk, Halsey, Queen B. Metallica can take smoke breaks and play instruments while posing, it's not their name in the middle of the place (it's their brand, though). Depeche Mode can have Gore play some songs as he's a talented vocalist. No one can play TS, she's the front and only person anyone wants to see in hundreds of shows per year, YET she still plays some live. And Again, Cindy, she earned her live act. -- TL;DR: you are exactly right. Performing rather than Presenting. And IMHO it's sad reality but all right.
@DistantCousin2 ай бұрын
Doh. of course Dua is performing too. You're talking rubbish. She performed her arse off
@ThePdeHav2 ай бұрын
Good observation
@shootinputin63322 ай бұрын
@@DistantCousin Her backing track is performing, idk what Dua was doing the no talent slag
@lisamcclure87372 ай бұрын
@@shootinputin6332woah! Strong feelings for dus lips there! lol
@sojournertruth98442 ай бұрын
The grin on your face as Cyndi went for it! She's so underrated, and I'm old enough to have been a fan since She's So Unusual. That was an incredible moment! Absolute chills!
@julietrik4873Ай бұрын
I came here to say the same thing. Fil was giddy lol. (I'm old too :) )
@MittensTheMurderKittyАй бұрын
I had her album with Blue Angel on vinyl... She was/is amazing.
@dereks12643 ай бұрын
Your point about the dancing being more important than the singing is well-made. When I watch performers doing all that frenetic dancing, I just think there's absolutely no way they'd be able to sing and dance like that --- they'd simply be too out of breath, let alone able to control their voices, in such circumstances.
@Pamela-yn8yo3 ай бұрын
That's exactly what I thought.
@MGrayl-ib5fo3 ай бұрын
Then they should just be dancers only. Otherwise they're just charlatans.
@lesliegaudreau53103 ай бұрын
It's done all the time in live theater. We dance hard and are expected to sing as well as if we were standing still. Just saying that's why singers run on treadmills and sing
@hollycrawford60543 ай бұрын
I'd like to see an analysis of Janet Jackson in the Rhythm Nation days. She danced and sang and YES she was often out of breath.
@soundguyHielmi3 ай бұрын
Madonna did it on her "Blonde Ambition" tour back in the 80's. The dancing was just as strenuous as anything today. Wireless headset mics became fashionable because of her.
@bills60932 ай бұрын
As we said back in the day, if it sounds just like the record, it is the record.
@matthewphilip19772 ай бұрын
But it's not, it's Dua singing live, with the record in the mix. What you're thinking of is Top of the Tops, where they mimed to the record. It's plain from this video that Dua is nailing it, live.
@CanYourHorseDoAFuckinWheeleyАй бұрын
@matthewphilip1977 did we watch two different videos?
@ETBrooDАй бұрын
@@matthewphilip1977 Not even Freddy Mercury was able to sound the same live as in the studio. If a legend like him couldn't do it, no one can.
@DoubleDguitar2 ай бұрын
With 22 years as the ops mgr for an audio company behind me now, I have had more engineers say how great Cyndi is live much more than any other artist.
@paulmackenzie18503 ай бұрын
This is so well explained. Cyndi Lauper is the real thing...and the band as well. A truly live performance...
@bobrandom55453 ай бұрын
So was Dua Lipa. It's live. Most of it at least. it's very clear when you watch other songs from the same performance.
@jorellh3 ай бұрын
Cyndi is great but she's just walking around.
@Fadingfool2 ай бұрын
Live over a prerecorded track does not equal live. You mention the drum balance is different in another post but that would be due to the "live" recording being recorded through the stage equipment.
@Dusk19622 ай бұрын
@@jorellhshe is 71 do expect wild antics now. She was great.
@bobrandom55452 ай бұрын
@@Fadingfool No, it's not due to it being recorded differently. I've lined the tracks up in my DAW and compared them. The drum hits are different. Sometimes the kick (loudest drum part) is a bit later in the live version, other times it's a bit later in the studio versions. These are 100% different drum recordings. Also, you can compare these drum sounds to the drum sounds from other songs from the same performance and you clearly hear that these are live drums.
@mjb70152 ай бұрын
Cyndi Lauper, forever a legend.
@tobstobs9502 ай бұрын
Who that?
@fenzelian18 күн бұрын
A teenage runaway from an abusive home who though pure dedication and talent and standing up for her bands fought through years of poverty and struggle to be one of the biggest pop acts in the world, winning a Grammy and selling over 50 million albums. She was at one point big in the pro wrestling scene, too. But as she got older unlike some of her peers she didn’t keep grasping at being young - she mellowed and made more adult contemporary music, won a Tony for a Broadway musical, stuff like that. So she’s been much less famous, much less on the map, but still has a lot of fans. She was sort of seen as the “Madonna alternative” - at one point they were seen as peers but took very different roads. Madonna was the dancer and the spectacle and image, Cyndi Lauper was more the pure singer and musician. They both had and still have very big, distinct personal style and dress, too, but on different levels.
@tobstobs95018 күн бұрын
@@fenzelian i aint reading all of that
@jahipalmer8782Ай бұрын
What I love about live concerts is hearing the artist perform. Sometimes, it's "perfect," and sometimes, it's "less" than perfect. Both sound awesome to me. I know what it would sound like if they were in a controlled studio; I've probably already bought the album, but I'm not there for the studio. I'm there at the live concert to hear what they're gonna do that night, whatever it's gonna be.
@Eraser185742 ай бұрын
Bowie was also a legend live. He always changed his songs, which was part of the fun of live recordings.
@marikothecheetah93422 ай бұрын
Exactly! I listen to a lot of Japanese bands and their lives are always slightly different, which I love. I even prefer live singing in some cases to studio performances.
@jacktadashАй бұрын
Thanks for the information, I've never heard of this Bowie band, so grateful to get obscure recommendations, thanks for being original.
@ojigboАй бұрын
@@jacktadash You must be fun at parties... And your retort didn't even make sense.
@lucasthompson165027 күн бұрын
I met a 25-year-old the other day that had never heard of Guns’n’Roses, I can almost guarantee she’s never heard of David Bowie either. Edit: Nope, she hadn’t. She asked if he was one of the Beatles.
@marikothecheetah934227 күн бұрын
@@lucasthompson1650 Cheesus Crisp! *throws chair out for the 10th floor* WHAT?!
@rossdunning70183 ай бұрын
My band was Faces and they were hilarious live. Start off out of tune, have an argument about who's out of tune, then speed up half way through a song, then realise and slow down, all the while Stewart is singing from a screwed up piece of paper he has brought out of his pocket with the lyrics on. Then suddenly, as if by some divine intervention...magic happens! They all come together as one and it sounds brilliant until the brandy takes over and it falls apart again. Now that's playing live!
@KayEl583 ай бұрын
Great comment! I wasn't a fan but that makes me wish I'd seen them.
@wendyfarrowartist3 ай бұрын
Yes! That’s the experience of live music. You feel part of the moment and it’s memorable and fleeting and unrepeatable. Who cares if they f**k up - it’s all part of the fun and it’s evidence that they are human beings.
@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t2 ай бұрын
Like when you have a 30 minute set list, but the drummer is so efficient the band powers through it in 25.
@terrenceburton79032 ай бұрын
❤your a lucky man Ross....
@sunriseorganics31262 ай бұрын
And that's rock'n'roll!! Exactly how it should be 🖤
@haraldhechler3557Ай бұрын
Dua Lipa is the personification of today's music: "Interpolating" old hits (formerly known as "stealing") and using a lot of technology to even scam the live viewers. Creativity and authenticity have just left the building.
@ImreallyboredsickАй бұрын
She is a great singer live. I suggest you actually go and watch a live performance of hers.
@arthurrimbaud72874 күн бұрын
😂
@sfincher97372 ай бұрын
Live should just be live. No safety net, warts and all. That’s what we want, and real talent always delivers.
@christineWilson-op8ok2 ай бұрын
I totally agree! When I first my favorite band do an album on stage it was SO thrilling! Hear the vocals live and how they recreated the album sound so it sounded better live!!
@tehweh8202Ай бұрын
Absolutely. I once saw a concert by some really big metal band. Can't quite remember which one. And about 20 seconds into the song, the singer looked really puzzled and stopped singing. He'd forgotten the lyrics mid-song. So the crowd started chanting the lyrics at him, his face lit up with a broad smile and they just restarted the song with some real power. Was a great and fun experience.
@chrisdick2305Ай бұрын
I'm sorry but that's not exactly true. Even going way back, some really talented bands just couldn't reproduce the genius of their studio recordings. I remember being very disappointed when I saw the Moody Blues live. They just didn't capture their exquisitely produced songs live. So as in most things in life, I would say it depends. I also saw Van Morrison live. He was so drunk he couldn't even sing his songs.
@BokmohАй бұрын
The Roots are one of those bands. World class, beyond talent, live shows are their perfected skill.
@NyanyiCКүн бұрын
and that's what we pay for
@jameslowman20882 ай бұрын
I love Dua Lipa but when Cyndi belted that note it gave me shivers down my neck. It is a completely different sort of emotional involvement you get when a singer is singing live.
@adamknight70412 ай бұрын
Don't understand how anyone can like Dua Lipa she's awful, I'd rather they had the Spice Girls 😂😂
@axe62792 ай бұрын
@@adamknight7041 Beautiful mouth piece. That's it.
@chrisa2735-h3zАй бұрын
@@adamknight7041I agree!! Her music is obnoxious party girl music 🙄
@chrissyb7916Ай бұрын
OH, man I'm the opposite I can't Lipa. Every thing even her so called "Live" on Instagram is edited, enhanced, auto tuned. On tv appearances she literally is lip syncing (which better much lip sync has been done on Drag Race). But she always says it's "live". It's the lying about her performances that's a turn off.
@sunblade704Ай бұрын
@@adamknight7041 It might surprise you but people have different taste in music and that's okay (and before you say anything, I'm a punk)
@richardfraser75232 ай бұрын
ever notice that everyone smiles with pleasure when Cyndi holds those notes ?
@rainerwaansinn3 ай бұрын
Cyndi is a true beauty, barefoot in a red dress in 1989 and now 71 years old in Glastonbury in 2024. Long live Cyndi!
@callen89082 ай бұрын
Oh yes, she really is. She’s a doll *and* a sweetheart
@NCFirebolt212 ай бұрын
As someone who saw Cyndi Lauper opening for Rod Stewart in Australia last year, she doesn't walk around the stage that much but she has stage presence and still has goddamned impressive vocal range for her age. She was utterly fabulous.
@NotoriousNickNorris2 ай бұрын
I got to see Cyndi live in a smaller venue not too long ago. She sounded amazing. Aging vocal chords notwithstanding, she put everything into her performance. She even came into the crowd while singing. Super authentic, quakity sound, and a wonderful, beautiful experience. On the other side, with Axe Rose last year, while he sounded horrible and Cyndi didn't, I could feel his passion for it like her performance. He gave his all and earned my respect.
@popland19773 ай бұрын
Cyndi was dogged by the press for singing out of time; but how many included that she had sound issues for her entire set
@whenimeetgod3 ай бұрын
Part of Cyndi's style was to always sing off the beat,today's music scene can't handle that
@MGrayl-ib5fo3 ай бұрын
@@whenimeetgod She was so far behind the beat the next band had already started playing.
@Hayden1969-ws4vy3 ай бұрын
@@MGrayl-ib5fo 🤣🤣🤣
@marysalvi2423 ай бұрын
@@whenimeetgod she's one that lives to her own beat.
@Anya-ip6fd3 ай бұрын
IIRC she said that her in ear monitors were lagging
@terryhayward79052 ай бұрын
Years ago, I was one of the sound engineers ( mixer ) on the Glastonbury Jazz World Stage, live then was live, no backing tracks, the sound was all the bands instruments and the singers voice. It could be nerve wracking when things went a little wrong, and you always felt that you were the last link that HAD to get it right, but the shows were so much more enjoyable than they are today.
@RayoAtraАй бұрын
As someone who mixes a lot of live audio. This is right on. Half the audio is just bail out tracking played loud, maybe add some verb for a touch of live feel. Only thing worse than this is like having to work a DJ show, where this guy trucks in a huge table of gear and is up there acting it out and moving knobs and spinning disks, and typing on keypads on gear thats not even patched in....while a playlist runs on a laptop under the table.
@beeonthyme57603 ай бұрын
Cyndi makes this video worth watching. She's real!
@tgbedini3 ай бұрын
I'm playing 2 gigs and a recording session this week. No tricks, no pitch corrections, simply real instruments and voices performing music. It feels like the end of an era, of something that mattered. I'm 75, and I don't know any other way to be, warts, clunkers and all.
@atreb563 ай бұрын
Good for you.👍
@beeonthyme57603 ай бұрын
I appreciate an artist that really performs and cares.
@tonywardle47643 ай бұрын
With ya! I gig without correctors and a fully live band. Yes we make mistakes, who doesn't. I do feel though either we are forgiven or they are so slight the audience doesn't hear them.
@b00ts4ndc4ts3 ай бұрын
RESPECT
@jeppo11853 ай бұрын
@@tonywardle4764 Making the occasional mistake tells the audience you are real and live, and putting in the work.
@basswars70602 ай бұрын
Cyndi Lauper = Talent. Dua Lipa = Marketing
@ShadowsP402 ай бұрын
Except Dua can actually sing and youre objectively wrong if you think otherwise. Listen to her Live Spotify sessions album and if you think she cant sing then youre deaf
@WillyJunior2 ай бұрын
What a management team decides to do at a live show doesn't equate to what the performer is capable of. Like the guy above said, watch her smaller live performances on KZbin
@redzwestisbest2 ай бұрын
To say Dua Lipa is marketing is ignorant. Cyndi was probably more marketed coming out than just about anyone in the 1980s. She was not your typical pop singer so they had to push an image for stations to even play her. They had to pay stations to play her. Yes, her quirky personality was a hit, but it was not without heavy heavy marketing. Get out of here with this bs.
@redzwestisbest2 ай бұрын
@@WillyJunior Exactly. Putting on a live entertainment show is not just always sitting in front of a mic and singing. Actually that is what happens when you can't do anything else.
@ThatMeansHesMad28 күн бұрын
Nonsense. She sucks. @@ShadowsP40
@chesterV723 ай бұрын
The longer I live the more I appreciate that I was around in the 80s and 90s to experience truely life and great music instead of the unbelievably boring mush that's called popular music today. And the longer I live, the more I love Cindy Lauper!
@Fiasco33 ай бұрын
Are the great genuine 80's-90's sound of Milli Vanilli and mimed tv performances.
@SEBOSONORO3 ай бұрын
Me too!
@marysalvi2423 ай бұрын
@sergiovogel2449 I love her too - and it comes through her creativity. I want to be her friend. : )
@Tryunderstandingsarcasm3 ай бұрын
Modern pop is totally boring now
@philipgwyn80913 ай бұрын
As someone who survived the 80s and 90s I remember how much unbelievably boring mush was played on the radio back then. Please throw away your rose tinted earphones.
@breckhollis10893 ай бұрын
Cyndi will never lip sync a performance like this because singing is her religion. You can't make that personal connection with the audience if you're lip syncing, and that connection is what she's there for. Check out her performance of 'Boy Blue' from the Live From Paris video. The song is about one of her closest friends who died from AIDS while she was working on the True Colors album. She absolutely cuts a vein. It's something we'll probably never see again.
@3x1572 ай бұрын
nicely said.
@fanglette2 ай бұрын
It was a shame for Cyndi that she had monitoring issues - that's on the sound team, but festival audio is notoriously hard to get right because there's less time to soundcheck etc. Cyndi is still an absolutely awesome vocalist. That belted high note proves it. Goosebumps!
@arnewoodman3 ай бұрын
Another jaw dropping reveal of what kind of trickery goes on today. All credit to Cyndi!. I was privileged to see Cyndi Lauper and Maria McKee sing acapella, back in the eighties. It was at Maria McKee's show, in London, there was a power failure. Cyndi was obviously backstage. Instead of Maria going off, they stood out there together and sang old standards and gospel stuff for about 20 minutes until the problem was fixed. Absolutely spine tingling.
@lidbass3 ай бұрын
Wow. McKee has one of the finest voices ever, and while I’ve never liked Lauper she certainly is a great singer. That was something very special. I’m very jealous!
@europatelemakos28193 ай бұрын
Do you remember the year?
@arnewoodman3 ай бұрын
@@europatelemakos2819 It might have been Duke of York Theatre which would put it in 1989. Hope that helps.
@Meezer2 ай бұрын
WOW that would be epic! They are both incredibly talented! ❤❤
@tottinger38392 ай бұрын
McKee is highly underrated, damn near forgotten these days. I loved Lone Justice (yeah, the revolving line-up may have hurt their becoming more popular), but Maria truly came into her own with those first three solo rekkids in addition to being a session musician and song writer. No backing/accompanying tracks in her live catalogue, that's for damn sure.
@Jasper_the_Cat3 ай бұрын
Part of the thrill of a great performance is knowing that, like a skilled trapeze artist, there's no safety net underneath. The part that you don't see with Cindy is that, although she's obviously gifted with gorgeous pipes, she apparently has also worked hard to train and nurture her voice to keep it in great shape. It would be easy enough for her to ride the nostalgia gravy train and people would likely still love and respect her for her original artistry. Kudos to her for putting the hard work in, and having the courage to walk on the high wire.
@fincarosa2 ай бұрын
Great comment. Agree 💯
@purpurina56632 ай бұрын
Agree. And not just in terms of performance, but also about the risks they take with the material and where they take it, how free they are with it. I can listen to different recordings of Dire Straits songs because the mixes and the guitar solos are so different each time, such a pleasure.
@Meezer2 ай бұрын
Precisely! ❤
@nickcarter4006Ай бұрын
Fabulous analysis! Life long musician here myself. To me the difference is this: you have Dua Lipa constrained by a live track, who might be an S-tier performer but can’t reach their full potential because they’re locked into the playback; vs. Cyndi, a legend who insists on going in raw and risking a few rough spots because of tech issues but willing to risk it for the real deal!
@miakulick3 ай бұрын
I haven t listened to Cindy in quite a while, and she did a very respectable job here, with flaws here and there, but within logical limits. And she is 71!! Wow!
@virginiawiles537318 күн бұрын
The natural joy on his face when listening to Cyndi is the only example you need of why pure live is infinitely better than karaoke version. It has nothing to do with how perfect their vocals are, it has to do with the rawness and beauty of music being performed.
@Scorchy6663 ай бұрын
The late Olivia Newton John had a fabulous live voice. We caught her sound check at West Hollywood Pride early that morning. At the time she was around 60-63. Olivia ran through Xanadu even stronger than the album version.
@martinzaehringer16972 ай бұрын
I get all sorts of blowback when I write on social media that Taylor Swift is singing to prerecorded music despite the fact that her band is strumming their instruments on the side of the stage.
@no_one2197Ай бұрын
Funny considering all her song are so easy to "sing" since she's basically just talking in all of them, sing-talking I call it
@robertbeisert3315Ай бұрын
She's manufactured, bottom to top. That anyone fails to notice co tinues to astound me.
@aaronloachАй бұрын
Haha, i was watching the eras tour with my wife and was pointing out all the times she was lip syncing and when she was playing/singing live. You can tell because she stops moving on the stage, and focuses way more on her instrument. It's not necessarily a dig, the production of her show is insane. And to do a 3 hour concert every other day for 2 years straight is not attainable if the whole thing was live.
@damianb2374Ай бұрын
you admit to using social media, and talk about it like it's somehow normal?
@namebrandmasonАй бұрын
Of course she’s lip syncing parts of the show! She’s has been doing a three-and-a-half hour show for four or five days per week for over a year now. With choreography. No amount of training is going to allow a person’s voice to hold up to that.
@Walamonga131320 күн бұрын
I remember watching a Ric Beato video about how concerts and live shows are now more popular than ever, or at least more common. My reasoning was immediately "well yeah, they can do more shows because they're likely just doing playback/lipsync". So by doing lipsync they don't wear out their voices or tire themselves out the way someone doing it for real would. So that means they can do more shows
@murdockscott2 ай бұрын
I saw Cindy Lauper live in a small club sometime in the 90’s and I was blown away by how great she really was. I’m quite happy to see her still doing it, and still killing it.
@racheloldridge49862 ай бұрын
You can't compare them - one is a live performance, and one is glorified karaoke. Less than karaoke even, it's just singing along to the track. Which would be OK if it was billed as such, but it isn't.
@justinnaramor60502 ай бұрын
At least when you do karaoke you are actually physically singing into a microphone. Still counts as a live performance... it's just a live 'vocal' performance. Even if you suck at singing... you are still actually physically doing the singing, with your lungs physically pushing air through your vocal folds and mouth and into the microphone... and then said microphone converts that into an electrical signal... which is then amplified and sent to the loudspeakers so the audience can hear it! :)) Lip syncing is entirely different obviously... not even close to karaoke.
@adamknight70412 ай бұрын
Let's also take a moment to say Dua Lipa's songs are crap and totally unmemorable unlike Cyndi Laupa's.
@utubehound692 ай бұрын
Ozzy's last tour he had another guy off stage singing his parts, what would you call that other that Sharron is a Shekel Grubber?
@matthewphilip19772 ай бұрын
@@justinnaramor6050 But she's not lip synching, she's singing live, and nailing it, as the guy in this video demonstrated.
@justinnaramor60502 ай бұрын
@@matthewphilip1977 Yes... did I imply anywhere that she was lip syncing in my comment? I was merely addressing the somewhat-implied criticism of of karaoke in the initial comment... "It's just glorified karaoke, not a live performance" or whatever they said. To which I would respond, "umm, karaoke still counts as a live performance". Karaoke is still a live performance even though backing tracks are used instead of a real live band. And that this is unlike lip syncing, which is what should really be getting all the criticism because lip syncing is just not a live performance at all, in any way.
@seal-nowweretalking67532 ай бұрын
Not in my wildest dreams would I or anyone from my generation lip sync at a ‘Live Concert’ and it wouldn’t be for fear of being caught because quite frankly ‘todays news wraps tomorrow’s fish’, in other words it’ll all be forgotten. No, the reason why we wouldn’t dream of doing it is out of respect for those that came before us and out of respect for the craft and the audience …out of self respect! We aspired to be like the greats who inspired us and it would’ve been considered ‘lame’ and ‘pathetic’ to fake it to a hard-earned, money paying audience. Sing out of tune, sing with a ropey voice if you have to, who cares ?? It’s LIVE!! I remember back in the day watching the great Al Green perform on a TV show. He had just finished doing some festival gig and his voice was so worn, he could barely speak. That man got up and did one of the greatest live performances of ‘Let’s Stay Together’ that I’ve ever heard. He performed the crap out of that song, he got the audience engaged and you would never have known his voice was in rough shape. I learned something very valuable that day, I learned what it was like and what it takes to be a pro. ✌🏾&💜
@RaccoonNationАй бұрын
@@seal-nowweretalking6753 you’ve always been a man of integrity and we thank you for that 🫶💕
@mathiasmas3 ай бұрын
I love these present time eighties pop-stars live performances. Especially because in that eighties era, at that moment, coming from the seventies rock era, those synth-pop style stars had a bit of a reputation of being "fake" because of the abundance of synths and drummachines. And now they're nailing it big time compared to the present day pop stars. Cindy hitting those big notes is just wonderful and her voice being a bit sharp or flat in the run-up makes it even more beautiful.
@robgrano68142 ай бұрын
True, but in the 80s there was always a distinction between the groups that could pull it off live and those that couldn't, at least for people who went to shows and cared about the music, not just the "spectacle." Today it seems like a lot of concert-goers fall into the latter category.
@AlienNationLiveEvents2 ай бұрын
Live my arse. This is reproduced club scene music. As a grass roots promoter where artists perform live for real, this is laughable. Some acts that perform in small venues do use backing tracks, often as intros and outros, but as embellishment. The sort of audience that buy into Dua Lipa couldn't care less and would not know the difference. Dua Lipa is adding a small portion of live vocal as embellishment, which allows her when asked publicly if she sings live, to then answer sheepishly, that she does. Flavour of the moment, I doubt she'll be asked back to BBCbury - oops, I mean Glastonbury - in many years from now. Cyndi Lauper and her band are the real deal. A legend and not just in the hearts and minds of a fickle or feckless fan, but by her peers within the industry.
@One-Goth2 ай бұрын
Your channel just popped up on my feed. I love this comparison. I used to sing and have no idea how they manage with ear pieces. I much preferred the old monitors, because, when singing, you can't hear!? I saw Stevie Nicks on Tuesday in Manchester and she was brilliant. She can still belt it out. The songs had been rearranged to suit her voice now, at 76. No auto tune. Brilliant!
@evehosgood3 ай бұрын
Well explained video, Cindi was amazing, 71 and totally live, could not hear herself due to poor mix. Also that’s Emily Estefan, Gloria Estefan’s daughter on percussion for Cindi
@Mariosilvagt32 ай бұрын
Cyndi Lauper still has her touch. She's better than Madona without a doub!
@MrBracey100Ай бұрын
Madonna was always a better dancer than singer.
@lorrainemoore81892 күн бұрын
Recently saw The Guess Who live. Old School amps on stage, full drum kit, and minimalist set up. Best concert ever.
@goblinqueen49913 ай бұрын
I've loved Cyndi Lauper since the '80s. This kind of thing just makes me love her more. Thanks, Fil. :)
@First-q6l3 ай бұрын
I saw cyndi lauper before. Shes a mind blowing vocalist. She's not singing without a safety net because that's all she knows she's singing without a safety net because that's what a singer is supposed to do. Lol. These kids today arent singers.
@TheGenXTeacherАй бұрын
As a concert goer of the 80s, I saw artists like Lionel Richie, Survivor, Van Halen, Styx, Journey, Hall and Oates, and several others. Their sound was different from the recordings but it was obvious that they were really singing and playing. It was amazing! Daryl Hall with his live version of Sara Smile gave me chills. Renegade live by Styx was an absolute gem. Today's "musicians" have a tough time replicating the talent of yesteryear. Seal mentioned in his comment that it seems like these performers aren't really challenging themselves. I agree. There are very few musicians today that deserve the title of musician.
@seankayll90173 ай бұрын
Cyndi sounded great. Heaven knows I am no Britney Spears fan but I did feel sorry for her when she was dragged through the mud for a very out of tune performance many years ago. Most people (ie non-musicians) would not realise that if you can't hear yourself in the monitor, vocal or other instrument, then you are screwed. I know from experience...
@gertietheduck3 ай бұрын
I am a thereminist and it is literally impossible for me to play without adequate monitoring (hearing the pitch coming out is the only reference on my instrument as there is no physical reference and the field of the instrument is never exactly the same, so you can’t rely on physical memory if you can’t hear yourself). I have had so many bad experiences with live monitoring I have started to take my own headphones to gigs as a backup, which is not ideal but has just about saved me a bunch of times. I wish people understood this about performers
@christopherbowers72363 ай бұрын
i was there, it didnt sound great, it sounded awful, but not because of any of the musicians performance onstage, we could barely hear Cyndi. there was something wrong in the mixing for sure. i saw other bands on the same stage and the sound was great. she kept fiddling with her mic/talking backstage to the crew etc. it was clear everyone knew there was a sound problem but they had to soldier on.
@solarvanlife81773 ай бұрын
It happens often in festivals that only allow a quick line check with the lessor bands. They can usually get things "reasonably" figured out sometime into the first song but sometimes never. You'd think Cyndi would have gotten more of a sound check, but by the comments it doesn't look that way.
@popoff78082 ай бұрын
@@gertietheduck I wonder what Clara Rockmore did before monitors playing the theremin. That would interesting to find out. Maybe the had monitors then don't know but people definitely trained differently before the 60s when performing. You had to be able to project to the back of the theater as a singer for example. Now people had head mics and stuff.
@gertietheduck2 ай бұрын
@@popoff7808 she did what most modern-day therminists still do when they aren’t going through a PA, which is have a dedicated amp behind you. Even with a monitor/PA, it’s still best to have an amp behind you too (but I am limited in what I can carry to gigs as I don’t drive, and my little amp is not loud enough if I am playing on larger stages with a lot of other musicians). especially because you need to hear the dry sound without any effects , loops, etc and with no other instruments. You would place it at head height and use it as your main monitoring system. The idea is that you’d be able to hear yourself louder and before the audience could hear you as the sound would reach your ears first, so you can correct/adjust your playing as you go, especially when you have to come in after a break, because there will always be a tiny, split second adjustment needed to the pitch, if you are coming in cold. If you play quietly enough that you can hear but others can’t you can adjust almost instantaneously before others’ ears pick it up. But yeah, you cannot play accurately on a theremin without hearing yourself. Not even Clara.
@annamariaisland19603 ай бұрын
Ringo Starr (mid-1990s) "I'm the f**king click track!"
@DaveMcIroy2 ай бұрын
Despite him not even being the best drummer in The Beatles.
@annamariaisland19602 ай бұрын
@@DaveMcIroy I assume you were being ironic there - you do know that it was a comedian that said that, and that no one with any musical knowledge has ever said that?
@DaveMcIroy2 ай бұрын
@@annamariaisland1960, a couple of musicians said that. 🤷🏻♂️
@darthminogue2 ай бұрын
@@DaveMcIroy Imagine how John felt. He wasn't the best drummer, lead guitarist, bassist or singer.
@DaveMcIroy2 ай бұрын
@@darthminogue, guess why he killed Paul and replaced him with Billy!
@cruxbucketАй бұрын
So people pay a premium to go to an arena and listen to albums played on loudspeakers? So if an artist goes in a best buy and their song plays is that a concert now?
@Mark_Wheeler3 ай бұрын
Also keep in mind that Dua Lipa is 28, and Cyndi Lauper is 71. I'll take the senior citizen doing it by herself anyday!
@bruceh41802 ай бұрын
Please stop saying Cyndi's age, it's making me feel incredibly old 😅
@tammyd.9706 күн бұрын
My god, I was wondering. I thought she was like 60 though. Now you're making me feel old! I was 8 or so when She's So Unusual came out, and I just fell in love. I have nothing but respect for that woman. Such a vocal talent, a strong advocate for human rights and just so much fun. She made it okay to be weird and different!
@sidddanis2 ай бұрын
Cyndi Lauper: absolutely EPIC the way she hit that high note with everything she got! Clear and sonorous. True artist! I'd be clapping non-stop. This is what live music is supposed to be! If I wanted to listen to the song, I'd just sit at home and play the cd/spotify etc instead of spending my very hard-earned cash for "playback".
@Candyskin692 ай бұрын
I remember seeing Mick Hucknall in last year's Radio 2 In The Park. It was obvious that in his first song he couldn't hear an instrument to pitch to and he was off key (but in tune with himself), then suddenly something changed in his ear monitor and he was bang on key for the rest of the performance like the professional he is. Later on we were "treated" to Kylie basically doing the same as Dua Lipa at Glastonbury, but not before the brilliant Beverley Knight showed how a live performance should be done, the way Mick, Cindy and other real performers do.
@ro86232 ай бұрын
What I haven’t seen mentioned yet (and apologies if it has) is how much of this is ‘required’ by the artist’s label (i.e. possibly against the wishes of the artist to perform everything live) to protect the artist’s ‘brand’. If you’ve invested a boatload of cash into an artist and their current album, you may reasonably want to take steps to not jeopardise your return on that investment from the current (and any future) album or tour, by giving a sub-par (or worse) performance. I’ve no issues with a band playing along to a click track (if they need to sync with samples/triggers or tie into elaborate lighting/video effects, to pull in some BVs to thicken up their choruses, or simply to defend against runaway tempos due to adrenalin and give some consistency to their live pacing), but I still want the band to play their instruments and sing.
@WendyDarling19743 ай бұрын
Back in the 1980s I had to interview my father for a class assignment, using a lot of set questions and taking notes. He had been born in the 1930s and the majority of the music he liked was pre-1960s. At one point I asked him his opinion of modern Pop music. Dad‘s response is that he noticed a lot of singers really didn’t seem to have a good, strong voice. I remember he said something like “you have all these performance who have a little tiny voice, and then they put it through a microphone and an amplifier.” I shudder to think what he’d think about voice correction, “semi live” almost karaoke, performances, etc. He grew up on Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra.
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx2 ай бұрын
Sinatra, Crosby and others were crooners who relied on close mic technique, not by having strong voices like opera singers. They relied on technology a lot. And karaoke singers are all live, however terrible.
@dustyrose5994Ай бұрын
This is so refreshing to see! As a lead vocalist in a local blues band, I appreciate you pointing out what goes into a “live” performance of some of the biggest stars. I’m definitely not ever pitch perfect, but I love live music. I love chasing the drummer around if he speeds up or slows down, the little knowing grins between singer and lead guitarist when the bass player missed a bar, the fact that everyone just has to go with the flow. That’s live music and that is what makes it lived in, real, and relatable. Thanks Fil!
@marianneosullivan79713 ай бұрын
Its the reason 70s music touches your soul so deeply. The human & soul connection.
@PlanetoftheDeaf3 ай бұрын
Dua Lipa is fine at what she does, and if this was a Radio 1 or Capital Radio event, nobody would be bothered, but if anything it's the credibility of Glastonbury which is slightly tarnished by having such "non live" live acts performing.
@jungatheart63593 ай бұрын
The credibility of Glastonbury hasn't existed for at least 2 decades. I would rather pay for a completely unnecessary dental extraction.
@MwahMwahProductions3 ай бұрын
Credibility of Glastonbury is long gone.
@Requiemslove3 ай бұрын
At what she does. And what she does is dance on a stage wiggling her yahoo and pretending to sing but, you know, not really. And when you do her her actual voice, well, let's be honest. That's barely MID on her best day...which is obviously in the studio and not live.
@ROOKTABULA3 ай бұрын
Being fine at picking your nose is nothing to be admired. She's an auto tuned fraud who created forgettable dreck.
@ManNoName-c9u3 ай бұрын
@@jungatheart6359 What, you mean Glastonbury isn't a bunch of stoned hippies lost in some field any more? Noooooooooo!
@paulbradley705Ай бұрын
Singing live to backing tracks is not lip syncing but miming is.
@NinjaKittyBonks3 ай бұрын
There would be outrage, were this Woodstock, Live Aid or nearly or any venue of even one generation ago. The fact there is not, tells us a ton about what has become of the industry 😢
@Lilah17543 ай бұрын
I doubt there will ever be live concerts like those two again. At least not in my lifetime!! Maybe one day, but I doubt it!
@NinjaKittyBonks3 ай бұрын
@@Lilah1754 .... The huge venues will certainly be gone, but I think out of the ashes, will arise smaller bands that will form as touring buddies and travel around to play medium sized venues and play authentic music, just like heard at those monster events. Music is changing and there will always be those garage bands, they just wont reach Rolling Stones, Beatles or The Who levels any longer. . Music will survive 🤘can The Kitty get a Bonk for Tunz?🐈😸
@Wyl73 ай бұрын
There was outrage when Brittney Spears got caught doing the same thing, semi-miming through concerts. People weren’t as willing to accept the excuse back then that the dancing and showmanship mattered more than live singing.
@gatesurfer3 ай бұрын
You could go to the opera, you know. No autotune, no pitch correct, not even a mic. Just a single voice, often singing over a full orchestra, filling a hall of a thousand people or so. Real musicianship too.
@NinjaKittyBonks3 ай бұрын
@@Wyl7 ... Yup. We have seen some big issues made of failed lip syncing and Milli Vanilli comes to mind. Of course, they didn't even sing their own songs in the studio, but authenticity of the artist, rightfully carried more weight than if they had good dance moves. I have little doubt that people like Michael Jackson would lip sync parts at least, but we go back to the mega R&B groups, for great singing and modest dancing. . Many music "artists" today are sold specifically on appearance, charisma and ability to dance in unison with others. If people know that is what they pay for... no problem at all.
@atreb563 ай бұрын
Thanks for this Fil. I'm glad that I've seen the artists playing live all the way through. As my t shirt says, " I may be old, but I've seen all the great concerts." You have done a great job in teaching what is going on in music.
@Snurple02Ай бұрын
there are a lot of musical artists that sing along with their songs off of their record, and i would say, although a completely live performance is exponentially more special and exciting to see, these more simple “semi-live” performances emphasize more of a shared experience with the audience in singing and listening to the artist’s songs
@ventues97513 ай бұрын
Fil. I drive my girl friend crazy when I tell her they are not singing live !! :) She says how do you know ?? I told her I just do. Nobody sounds exactly like the original recording live, no matter how good you are :)
@wout1231002 ай бұрын
well, ever hear profession oparasingers and soloartists? and what about pinkfloyd, they sound better live than on the albums.
@kat33252 ай бұрын
The give away here is that no one can dance and singe so CLEAN at the same time. It’s just impossible
@tinachristine45732 ай бұрын
You are correct. I tried to listen to Dua Lipa's Glasto bit and I instantly switched off coz I could tell she was NOT singing live. She simply wasn't.
@loganmedia11422 ай бұрын
@@wout123100 Those professional singers may do a really good job, but do they sound absolutely identical at every performance? In the case of Pink Floyd I've definitely heard several live recordings where they sounded substantially worse than on their albums. Which is quite surprising because when the recordings are that bad they can actually cheat and fix them up afterwards.
@samuraiwarriorsunite3 ай бұрын
Being older, I'm pretty sure every band I saw play and sing live actually did it. I rarely heard a band play a song live the same way it was on the radio. Sometimes that was good, other times not, but the feeling and electricity of the performance never disappointed.
@snoozieboiАй бұрын
Also a nice study to see how Dua Lipa is more or less exposed with hardly a single negative word used.
@kenneth98746 күн бұрын
She has to wear less to divert the audience from the "singing".
@IanLoughead3 ай бұрын
Lip Syncing was a real setback for poor Ashley Simpson. Now it is cool.
@tinastyles99062 ай бұрын
I’m 62 and when I went to see live bands in the 70s and 80s. They were LIVE. IMO if you can’t sing live without all the production, you’re not really of any great talent. It’s all marketing and production, not raw talent. So young people today need to understand that their brilliant live artists are not quite so brilliant. This is a very important educational video. Great work.
@wout1231002 ай бұрын
but eh, try it,. you will get attacked, they dont wanna hear that.
@katstorm132 ай бұрын
I think there can be a middle ground. For example, for most of Twenty One Pilots catalog, Tyler Joseph records every vocal, the main, harmonies, different lyrics overlapping etc. When they play live, there are occasionally backing track vocals heard. But the main vocals are all him. They just prefer not to bring an outside touring band, one tour being an exception. He also quite often records all the instruments except percussion, so sometimes some instrumentals are also tracks, so that he can focus on singing and playing one of the instruments, and dancing around the stage.
@matthewphilip19772 ай бұрын
Dua is singing live, and nailing it. Most of the 70s and 80s band couldn't sing live half as good as her.
@jacsavickas98222 ай бұрын
Bands do still play live, just not really in the pop genre. I'm on my 40s and been going to and playing gigs since the 90s. Rock and metal performers are still very much playing live. I expect jazz, reggae, and blues players play live too. There's lot of live music if you want to see it.
@merlinambrosius439821 күн бұрын
@@matthewphilip1977fool.
@moemoeanisongАй бұрын
Things like this is what makes me furious about nowadays' pop artists. Whether US, Korean, Japanese ones, absolutely anyone, if it's pop music they'll all use these kinds of tricks when they're on stage, most of time while also doing a dance routine, but the public actually believes it's 100% live, and it just creates absolutely irrealistic standards for what a "live" performace should sound
@SebisajiminstanАй бұрын
Exactly. I don’t mind that you’re doing a performance, but STOP lip syncing! If you’re just dancing, stop mimicking singing. It’s a lot more real for your audience, as it doesn’t feel like you’re tricking them. Be upfront about it, and let real vocalists do their thing, cause now they’re getting slack for not sounding as perfect as the people that lipsync, which is just fucked.
@glencurtis27613 ай бұрын
You’re doing a service to humanity. I wish we would get to a point where it would become a thing for artists to announce on albums when they are not using auto tune.
@neilbrie89723 ай бұрын
Who's going to rush to see the video of Cindy? Of course an amazing artiste, but great to see she can still rock it with her voice and emotion. A true professional.
@jimandlizhudson25013 ай бұрын
I just did that. She was amazing. And yet the critics tore into her.
@charlestonscnative90833 ай бұрын
Yes, but she has signed on to do an avatar like ABBA Voyage (she made a video about it a few months ago) and that disappoints me on some level.
@nobodyofanyrealimportance78783 ай бұрын
@@jimandlizhudson2501it sounded awful to the crowd. There may have been reasons, but nonetheless it didn’t sound good,
@stevenrayburn19382 ай бұрын
Cyndi Lauper is a freakin legend!
@DyreStraits3 ай бұрын
Just hearing Cyndi "count down" the band sounds good to me!
@olga1383 ай бұрын
Power to the 70-year-olds! She's amazing and great to watch in performance.
@joeyb.86132 ай бұрын
I can remember playing good sized venues in the 80's.. No click tracks, monitors all over the stage, etc.. all live. You would sound check hours earlier getting the mix as good as possible, only to open the doors, let a few thousand people fill up the arena, and completely mess up the mix you had when it was empty.. The first song was always good and loud, but usually had that dreaded deep low-end hum, feedback here and there, and for some reason, the vocals were always way too low for the first few lines... It was amazing! Ha! Great analysis, sir
@michaelg69722 ай бұрын
I saw Keane, recently, at The North Festival and Tom's voice blew me away. No cheating required!
@cindi13133 ай бұрын
When you mentioned at the livestream last night you were going to be talking about Glastonbury, I figured it was Dua Lipa. There was a lot of talk about her miming, and she just said she doesn't mime, but obviously she is just singing along to a backing track which includes multiple vocal tracks. So many artists were having technical problems at Glastonbury, and somehow she wasn't. I am glad you are calling this out, because I think people don't realize that it is not an all or nothing type of thing. I think Avril Lavigne was singing live as well, and had a good set also.
@AnjektusStudio3 ай бұрын
Yes! She was singing live. And she is trying to be ironic and cool while she is singing for dome reason. Well I have seen worse. However so dod she have pre-recorded backning track of her voice on the chorus.
@roasty803 ай бұрын
Beth ditto of gossip didn't have a problem singing live. She was fantastic
@rob.maramé2 ай бұрын
So in essence what Dua Lipa is doing on stage is actually Karaoke (singing to a pre-recorded backing track) rather than a ‘live’ performance.
@bigpauliep69922 ай бұрын
Dua uses studio recorded and manipulated "live" vocals with an active mic. I worked a gig a couple of years back and she was one of the headline acts, and her vocal mix, (with pitch correction), failed. Hearing her ACTUALLY signing live was the longest and most painful 30 minutes of my life; and I've had kidney stones AND viral meningitis.
@inkasaraswati76252 ай бұрын
Maybe I'm just too optimistic but I think most artists actually do most things live, and Dua Lipa is more of an outlier than a rule. At least from the artists I am familiar with, although I do admit I don't pay attention to most popular acts.
@spiderjerusalem10024 күн бұрын
This is one of the reason why i listen to rock and metal music. The vocals dont always sound perfect live but at least it is live, it has integrity.
@davidpantoja6763 ай бұрын
I am sixty3 and the 70's and 80's was a great time for live music, the bands never sounded like the records they're not supposed to, forgotten lyrics etc.
@jonchilds16373 ай бұрын
Usually because the guys on the records weren't the guys on stage!!
@michaelwills19262 ай бұрын
@@jonchilds1637so true man
@crimsonwizard25602 ай бұрын
@@michaelwills1926 Is it, what a fanny.
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx2 ай бұрын
@@jonchilds1637 Well, Milli Vanilli for one. There weren't many others.
@jonchilds16372 ай бұрын
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx don’t recall seeing much of Milli Vanilli in the 70’s!!