MARVEL Has a Writing Problem | Feat Troyoboyo17

[@thesuperframe]

Thanks for helping me out with this video man, and for everyone else if by some reason you're living under a rock check out his channel it's the first link in the description.

[@williampearson6299]

How do you have time for all of this, Dude?

[@daviddyster4145]

That's an amazing point, I left after endgame and I haven’t looked back since. I hope to see your Justice League movie pitch soon.

[@christinaanderson6944]

I cant believe troboy is in one of your videos

[@daviddyster4145]

@@christinaanderson6944 Surprise?

[@hoodiek6802]

When are you making the how to make a good Justice league film

[@dhnation4975]

Thank you for bringing up what they did to Thor. Seriously, dude went through the most since Infinity War and even ate and drank away his pain for FIVE YEARS and it's treated like a joke everytime. Everybody made cracks about his weight, disregarding the fact that his brother died right in front of him. Just disrespectful, man.

[@no.reply_]

They went “Ha ha this guy lost his family, his home and couldn’t save billions of lives and now he drinks, overeats and play video games to cope lol”

[@NiwanzTFT]

@@no.reply_ I didn't get "ha ha" for Avengers Endgame personally

[@DelRae]

@@Cartooncroc Loki should’ve stayed dead kek

[@p.h.i.lcongure9168]

Marvel really feels like they're over correcting themselves with Thor. They saw how successful the new comedic change was and just fully went into it at his expense

[@YoureRightIThink]

Honestly I think the first movie had better humor, it was smarter in my opinion and I know they couldn't go with the "fish out of water" jokes for more next movies but something similar at least

[@amorra6024]

Thor in his first solo film and Avengers 1 will remain my favorite iteration of Thor. While I also like his portrayal in Infinity War, I didn't like how his character (and also Hulk and Loki) was portrayed in Thor Ragnarok. I felt that they made Thor too much of a joke at the expense of his character and all of the development he went through in the past MCU films. Honestly, current Thor is really disappointing. As it feels like they stripped away a lot of his emotional depths that made Thor feel genuinely heroic and complex to me.

[@p.h.i.lcongure9168]

@@amorra6024 I’ve honestly only recently started to enjoy Thor. I really liked him in ragnarok, infinity war and endgame because the humour doesn’t take away from the emotional moments and we see how he uses it as a crutch. But now it seems like they’re swinging too far in the comedic direction

[@jay4you853]

@@amorra6024 Thor Ragnarok was a joke, the humor was bad, the VFX terrible, the acting very questionable at times, and the world they built just didn't help. Also, the way they portrayed Hulk or Thor himself is just made me lose all interest in the movie and now TL&T just definitely killed the character, giving him no depth or substance. He's just a joke, a bad one. Yes humor is very subjective but I don't want to pay to see super-zeros but superheros doing superhero-ey things with a hint of comedy, a lot of good VFX and a tone of intelligent writing that doesn't ignore the previous movies and create more plot holes. It's time to give Thor some purpose because he could be the leader of the MCU as Tony is gone, but just like Dr. Strange he has no identity, serves no purpose. He's just here to be here and crack jokes...while he's being relegated to supporting character. Marvel is killing its own characters. Literally. Just look at how they made the so-called God butcher uninteresting as he never butchers Gods, missed opportunities...or how they made Wanda dispose of the so-called most intelligent man on Earth, who is supposed to appear in future movies but I won't care about as I'll assume since his other version from another universe was so weak, he might be the same. Marvel dropped the ball with that new phase and don't get me started with the bad TV shows...

[@EB_3693]

I think DCEU's failure at adopting a serious superhero universe scared them... despite the fact that MCU was already doing good creating a serious universe where humor was initially played as a coping mechanism to all the batshit stuff their heroes were undergoing. Seeing DCEU fail must have made them think that leaning on the one thing that set them apart - humor - was the way to go. Problem is in the earlier movies the humor often had a layer of intelligence underneath. Nowadays its like the actors are just lining up for their chance to get an average/good quip in.

[@ross3986]

The same thing is sort of happening to Star Wars. They are rushing the projects so quickly and are preferring quantity over quality.

[@thadmaster7]

Star wars hasn't been releasing as mutch as marvel though

[@ross3986]

@@thadmaster7 I know but most of the shows Star Wars has now are pretty mediocre. They feel very rushed and don’t have enough time to be amazing. It’s just wasted potential

[@cooldinom]

also over reliant on fan service. Obi Wan had no reason to exist other than the fact that people have nostalgia for the prequels and it was a good excuse to get Ewan and Hayden back. Mandalorian Season 2 made the somewhat smaller scale story feel like a movie ad not in a total good way as it again, felt over reliant on fan service. Once you notice the pattern it stops becoming a "cool, they put them in!" thing.

[@YoureRightIThink]

I only watched the Mandalorian I wasn't interested in the other shows

[@ross3986]

@@cooldinom very true

[@johanpaul8722]

dude phase 4 doesn't even explore the blip fully, it's like it never happened. and there are far too much jokes on these movie. they definitely have to tone it down.

[@tylerrice4178]

Honestly as much I would want that explored as well no doubt there will be people who will be so annoyed and will get tired of the snap/the blip being mentioned or explored across these films and TV shows.

[@wifparanoid]

@@tylerrice4178 no there won't be if it's good

[@catnoirlover1719]

Didn't Wandavision,Eternals, Far From Home and Hawkeye already shows it? Even Falcon and Winter Soldier also shows the side effect of it Show more of it and people will start thinking MCU didn't have any more ideas than showing what they already knows and already pass

[@ExeErdna]

The Blip is something they know they eff'ed up on Falcon and the Winter Soldier. In fact a lot of the MCU seem devoid of the aftermath of shit happening. Basically the Eternals itself proved that like oh you was here during that whole thing with Loki, Ultron and Thanos... Y'all just having Sunday dinner like you can't just help? Or like with the Inhumans they were so cheap at that point they allowed Inhumans to die then "killed" them off in the comics.

[@OhOh996]

“I don’t have inspiration. Only ideas. Ideas and deadlines” - Stan Lee

[@actualnotanewbie]

3:53 This particularly frustrated me with Multiverse of Madness. They could have easily explored America Chavez' fear and challenged her to embrace fear and stand up against it (allowing her to harness her powers properly) rather than saying at the end that she just had to realize how dope she was.

[@jamestrickingtonIII]

Quantity over quality has always been the goal. Once Disney built up enough goodwill with balancing filmmaking with profit, they took off the mask and are now in full profit mode. The movies aren't going to get better. They'll continue to pump out more product until its not as profitable and that will be that. The MCU will go the way of the Western or Apatow comedies, lol.

[@CarloNassar]

I say it should all be cancelled before it goes in that path at all.

[@dyll_pyckle]

Thank you for finally verbalizing one of my biggest problems with recent Marvel movies: they hint at larger themes without ever going in-depth with them. This allows the writers to do half of the work, yet be praised like they’ve gone above and beyond “a simple superhero movie”

[@malcolmroache3854]

This phase feels directionless cause we are being introduced to new characters so quickly instead of having at least two or three "main characters" and building there. We gets street, young, and new heroes now. I will agree some of the dialogue needs to be better but the setups are there. I think they need to dial back the content and definitely expand on the themes they explore. The MCU isn't above criticism and I think the next phase needs to get back to grounded material to an extent.

[@fictionverse7292]

Yeah, with Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow gone there are new heroes to fill in their big shoes. I compare phase 4 to phase 2

[@jesseheisenberg8854]

and the problem with this "new" characters are just copy paste of the OG but diverse you know what i mean? yeah i get what they were doing but. if they gonna introduce new ones at least make them different from the old ones not race but origin/ability/powers/personality.

[@mr.iiconic]

@@jesseheisenberg8854 this only really applies to Ironheart. Sam Wilson is different enough from Steve, Kate Bishop is a world apart from Clint, and She-Hulk is one of the greatest classic comic characters ever.

[@roger632]

The thing is, is that these new young characters just aren't very interesting to the majority of viewers I'd say... so they'll definitely be losing out on some viewers if they keep making these shows like Agatha Harkness, Iron-Heart, and all that kinds of stuff. Because no one cares, people aren't gonna waste their time on six to eight episode long shows about side characters from the last show lol.

[@dylanfranz5203]

I feel like instead of doing the shows they should just do movies some characters need it like moonknight or just some of the others and especially Hawkeye he was done super dirty

[@troyoboyo17]

Hey wait a second that’s me Thanks for having me in on this one dude!

[@LiterallyBatman1610]

Only legends like Mitch and troy can properley explain Marvel's problem and what needs to be fixed AND get me excited for what's coming next

[@kadegetslaid634]

I love both channels tbh, they're big fans but not blinded by the fandom, and they also don't just hate on everything

[@bro-be3bd]

Exactly. Alot of other channels who tackle the Phase 4 problems are incredibly biased towards the MCU or are all doom and gloom. This video points out the problems but still makes me excited for what the MCU has in store.

[@kadegetslaid634]

@@bro-be3bd agreed, and or they blame it on the "sjw agenda" and call it the m-she-u which has been beyond used and is so annoying

[@gonkdroid8279]

Lol, my thoughts exactly

[@SpinoSam]

@@bro-be3bd Exactly. If I go to see MCU problems I come to these guys, if I want a good and unbiased MCU review I go to watch Channel Awesome or Schrafrillas Productions

[@alphawilliams7923]

Tbh: This why I always prefer the Marvel Netflix shows because they feel real and not safe. Each Character even Iron Fist felt like people trying to balance their personal demons and trying to safe the world. I felt more connection with Matthew Murdock, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Danny Rand and Frank Castle than I do with Vision, Wanda, Falcon, Winter Solider, Black Window, Hankeye, and more who was so underdeveloped that they have to get shows.

[@willistan3562]

Honestly, Kingpin showing up at the Hawkeye finale pretty much sums it up for me. No shot that the MCU will be able to capture the character deep dives of the Netflix shows. If they reboot Daredevil, I seriously doubt the writers will be able to go 5 minutes without firing one-liners.

[@akeelyaqub2538]

Honestly imo daredevil is still the best content marvel has ever produced.

[@atiksafari8582]

I agree...marvel neflix the best shows

[@TheN1ghtwalker]

@@akeelyaqub2538 It's because Marvel didn't produce it, Netflix did.

[@akeelyaqub2538]

@@TheN1ghtwalker true, idk why i gave marvel credit for it

[@AppleSaurus01]

The only time that the redemption of the villains really worked for me was in No Way Home, where it was the central focus of the narrative as Peter risks everything to help these people who are just victims of horrible events. Ock was definitely worth redemption, as was Electro, who was defined by a life of misery and nonexistence, Lizard, a man forced by Oscorp to test on himself out of desperation to save their CEO, Sandman, who just wanted to be with his daughter again, and Goblin, who just wanted to be free of his psychotic alter ego who was destroying his and many other’s lives. Other than that, every other redemption has felt forced alongside the other tropes of the Marvel formula in the other recent movies.

[@rogueguardian]

If marvel were too put a hold on there movies I'd get behind that, they need more time to maintain consistency and quality in the writing.

[@duartevader2101]

Two of my favorite KZbinrs working together. Nice.

[@ellenBeliever]

I agree with you on this so hard. There's something seriously lacking in the writing. Half-assing it is a great way of putting it. There was an interview where the writers of Loki admitted they were just making things up as they were filming. And also yes, all of the characters' personalities seem to be all melding together like melted plastic where they once stood out as individuals - they've all got that same snark, the same sarcasm, the same female badass stoicism to the point where it all feels the same.

[@tajanisc]

In my opinion, Marvel’s plots haven’t been the most mind blowing but they didn’t need to be, the characters were always strong. That’s the part that is missing now, there’s no character and they’re trying to focus on heavy themes by doing what? Delivering them half baked and undercutting them with either action, visuals and a generic figured out formula? There’s no sense of care in the characters, it just seems like, “Here’s a generic archetype, that’s all they’ll be until the end of the movie.” That’s just my two cents.

[@s.kanessuperbiatv6464]

This idea of 'mentioning a deep theme and never following up' has been around since phase 2. Fans hate criticism of Winter Soldier but even that movie had the same problem; it begins with questions about freedom vs. security and the surveillance state, yet nowhere in the movie does it explore that afterwards. It just turns out the government was filled with HYDRA and that's that. Infinity War mentions the philosophical notion of killing millions to save billions, but never discusses it. Somehow, every single Avenger just agree it's bad and proceed to solve this issue by punching it. I'd think at least SOME of the characters might agree with Thans, with tension coming from that. Civil War says it's about freedom vs. registration, yet it's never an issue. Cap and the others don't register to help Bucky on a side quest, not because of fundamental differences in belief. This has always been a problem; it's just become more obvious lately.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

This all of this.

[@voltronlegendaryguardiansl7261]

This. ^ - • Phase 1. - And, unfortunately, franchises and series such as Marvel's Cinematical Film Universe have always been an By-The-Numbers Franchise and an By-The-Books Series overall, and so, I partially find any and all of these subjectively personal criticisms and opinions hilariously laughable and pathetically tragic, since not only have all of these problems always been a part of this franchise, but now everyone's questioning if said Film Universe is generally all-around inconsistent and that none of these films have any type of cohesively unified vision altogether either.

[@RedDeath2001]

The main problem with the current writing in the MCU is that they constantly chose terrible random ass inexperienced writers to write these movies and shows.

[@mrpuss2519]

random? or activists instead of competent writers?

[@DOOM_guyEditz433]

I know

[@travis7patriot653]

@@mrpuss2519 This^

[@pupulauls]

@@mrpuss2519 wdym

[@mrpuss2519]

@@pupulauls Check Ms Marvel's writers profile.

[@muffinmanplays8198]

For the new Thor movie I thought we were going to see Thor figure out what it really means to be a god. Like you said it was just for glory, would be cool to see him realize his responsibility not only as a hero but a literal god and his influence on people that look up to him. Also hoped that Gorr killed more gods.

[@mahiyatsafiyullah7103]

I think Shang Chi and Spider-Man No Way Home are the best films out of phase 4 the others are varying degrees of good and bad but I have to say that those films were just amazing like the fight scenes in Shang Chi reminded me off classic Hong Kong action films which I know is because of Jackie Chan's stunt guy being involved

[@69nadyacole69]

Lol, the actor don't want to be called kung fun master. Because he said that's racist

[@mahiyatsafiyullah7103]

@@69nadyacole69 context I am so confused about what you are talking about

[@CT--xj5jf]

@@69nadyacole69 that’s besides the movie

[@lobodesade6780]

I personally hate Shang She, I loved the Spider-Man movie tho.

[@CT--xj5jf]

@@lobodesade6780 Shang chi*

[@bbrbbr-on2gd]

The best writing builds around the emotional core of a character. It doesn't help when marvel follows up a dramatic scene with a Joss Weadon punchline. Building around and maintaining a strong emotional core adds to the spectacle surrounding the character, be it action or VFX etc. Look at any emotional scene from say MHA, every beat that carries weight in an action scene is built upon the characters emotional state. In short, please just write out what "basic"/ baseline emotion you want your character to confront and build on that. Thor's should have been grief and loss in a way where he can demonstrate his own maturity over the course of the past few films away from Jane. Jane's could've been denial and that's why she acts more like Thor's carefree self, so then he has to be the "responsible" one.

[@Augusto_Pinochet]

MHA ?

[@IndigiAutisi]

@@Augusto_PinochetMy Hero Academia, it's a manga with an anime adaptation about superheros

[@spiderbat9957]

I knew you were talking about troy right after looking at the thumbnail you and troy are my favorite KZbinrs glad to see you guys collab

[@joshmargolis1424]

Dr Strange has the most convoluted themes. Christine Palmer gives two thematic statements to Dr Strange in the movie, "are you happy?" (theme of hapliness explored theough alternate realities where he couldve been happy) despite in the movies end telling him "face your fears dr strange" (theme of fear previously being demonstrated through America Chavez being unable to use her powers and Strange telling her its about fear-- nothing to do with Palmer.)

[@akwilson1676]

They need to stop making a joke every 5 minutes. How can we take anything seriously if they themselves don't. The dialogues don't even feel natural anymore. I miss the tone of the early Marvel movies, like you can see a clear contrast between Thor 1 and Thor Love and Thunder.

[@p.h.i.lcongure9168]

This is why no way home was the highlight of phase 4 for me. We see peter really put through shit by goblin and the whole movie feels incredibly emotional and dramatic whilst being fun and enjoyable. The returning spidermen are the cherry on top

[@hopelesslyoptimistic8231]

Still No Way Home is pretty bad. I’m not saying people can’t enjoy anything. I love No Way Home and it’s one of my favorite movies of all time, but it’s not a good movie. The has so many plot-holes and character changes. The whole plot is based of a mistake Doctor Strange made and effectively ruined Peter’s life-That isn’t good at all when the reason the story is happening isn’t even the main characters fault or even a villain, it’s someone who is supposed to be Peter’s friend.

[@p.h.i.lcongure9168]

@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 plot holes don’t automatically make a movie bad. Every movie has plot holes. Plus the spell was Peters fault because he was interrupting the spell when strange consistently told him not to. The whole point was that Peter is struggling to choose between his hero life and personal life but in the end the only thing he has left is Spider-Man

[@p.h.i.lcongure9168]

@@QuackUp I don’t think so tbh. It has a pretty solid and clear second act, the villain redemption works better here because other than goblin they aren’t necessarily evil. They’ve suffered from freak accidents that have made them that way. Peter is also a really strong protagonist and is really taken through the ringer in this movie. The only issues I can see with it are some of the plot holes with magic

[@hopelesslyoptimistic8231]

@@p.h.i.lcongure9168 A spell that Doctor Strange didn’t tell Peter that it would make everyone forget him. It doesn’t make any sense why Strange would do that. Strange would at least assume that there is someone Peter wants to have in his life. Strange could of guessed he had family and loved ones. You can’t say it was because Strange was arrogant because there is a difference between being arrogant and just bad at your own job. Peter could of easily gotten a spell where everyone could remember him but the rest of world and the entire movie wouldn’t have happened. I agree that every story has plot holes, however, when your story is built upon these plot holes it ruins the entire story because nothing is believable anymore. One is excusable, but this isn’t the only time where the entire story could of played out in a better way. Peter could of helped the villain while they were caged up, Aunt May shouldn’t have been with the villains, If Doc Ock didn’t run away during the apartment battle he could of helped save Aunt May, and why did Strange cast a spell that made everyone forget Peter? The only way for that to work is for everyone in the entire multiverse to forget Peter Parker which would ruin an infinite amount of Peter Parker’s lives. Would Peter Parker forget that he is Peter Parker because Tobey and Andrew disappeared meaning they had to forget about themselves? These are major problems that don’t just ruin No Way Home but Tobey and Andrew’s universes.

[@thedeathskuller8665]

@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 Doctor Strange literally tells people that they can make everyone forget he's Spider-Man, Peter just didn't listen and realize that the spell would include his loved ones. Peter needed Doc Ock and Norman Osborns help to create some of the cures, meaning they definitely couldn't have stayed in the jail, and Peter needed physical contact with ALL the villains to attach the cures, even if he did keep them in cages until he finished they would have just attacked him if he did that since they would have no reason to trust him, since they've been imprisoned. Aunt May gave Peter the motivation to help the villains it's perfectly in character for her to be there and want to help them as well, attempting to take care of them as Peter was working on the cures. Considering how easily Green Goblin took care of Doc Ock at the end of the movie he would have made little difference if he was there to help Peter. That's not how the spell works the villains in the multiverse are only drawn to this one due to being drawn to it having a Peter Parker who is Spider-Man, if everyone in the universe believes that there is no Peter Parker in this universe then the spell wouldn't be drawing in these other characters.

[@fireboy1301]

I just really hope that marvel will take their time and slow down with the mcu project and not been rush and some new better writers

[@FilmSpeak]

Great video man! Glad you're addressing a lot of this because for as much as I've dug some of Phase 4's content (ew I hate that I used that word but I mean it fits), I think you're dead on with a lot of your analysis.

[@pictureperfect3211]

The goal of Phase 4 should’ve been the discovery of the Mutant side of the MCU. Period.

[@scottbulinski5450]

What even is phase 4 goal

[@pictureperfect3211]

@@scottbulinski5450 exactly. Making it about the mutants would’ve made more sense seeing as how their more mutants than random superpowered heroes and villains. At least focusing on the fallout from the Snap

[@dannybenhur6123]

Tight schedule often leads to failure, revision time is very important.

[@tinfoilhatmaniac6924]

"Hype culture" didn't ruin the MCU. Bad writing did

[@edgaraf9411]

It definitely added to the fire though

[@nope5657]

Hype culture kinda did too, though

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

In my opinion, I think phase 4 isn't "directionless" like others say just not enough focus because of the pushbacks and of course covid. I think they should just slow down and just focus on building up new characters with better writing and chill on some of the humor. The big projects from phase 4 have been Loki, wandavision( despite the twist and final episode) moon knight, Shang chi and spider man ffh they had some good hits it's just they need to slow down with pumping things out so quick.

[@challengerRT392]

That's true, it all begins with the script. But who is capable of writing quality scripts for these movies and their characters?

[@ONEPEAKFRFR]

The thing I hate most about the MCU is that they never deliver on their build-up I mean Doctor Strange 2 was build up so much but it was so disappointing like it was an okay docter strange movie but I expected so much more. An other thing I happened to find increasingly annoying is their butchering of certain characters like Taskmaster and vision honestly hope but the MCU adapts the vision comic from 15 its my personal favorite marvel comic book

[@nerdchat33]

Finally! somone addressing the writing problem of Marvel phase 4 writing! MOM writing is crushing my soul with wanda character.

[@benhibbits5168]

If Marvel would stop caring about how much money they can make a year and know that really no matter what people will buy tickets and go see a Marvel film when it comes out and the more they're rushed out I could stop feeling like every Marvel movie that has been coming out is just a slightly altered version of the last one with no heart no vision no real difference they should be more like DC and take quality over quantity

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

I give DC this there movies have gotten better after Josstice league.

[@anubusx]

I loved Infinty War. But Endgame was a real misstep.

[@mohammedazam6562]

Glad I'm not the only one

[@anubusx]

@@mohammedazam6562 The rat thing. Time travel. Killing Thanos at the start. Fat Thor. That 5 year time jump.

[@mohammedazam6562]

@@anubusx also don't forget what they did to Hulk

[@anubusx]

@@mohammedazam6562 That to.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

They keep hiring the same garbage writers. Same guy who worked on Loki, also worked on Dr. Strange 2.

[@amorra6024]

With the current mess of Phase 4 with all of the bad writing and shoddy VFX/CGI, I'm actually really worried about the Xmen and Fantastic Four being introduced into the MCU. I want to see these characters be done right, especially after some of the previous disappointing film iterations. But going by the mixed reception people are giving to Thor Love and Thunder and to the other MCU films (outside of Shang Chi and Spider-Man NWH) that I've heard about, I hope that Marvel/Disney really slow down on how many projects they are making and really plan out the future Phases. So they can focus on producing better scripts and visual effects for their MCU films and TV shows, as I know they are capable of making a good films. Like I would love to see the new Xmen '97 animated show be of similar or even better quality to Netflix's Arcane in terms of writing and animation quality.

[@adriandenton6637]

Without the kung-fu choreography Shang-Chi would be very forgettable.

[@ethankillion786]

Marvel comics were famous for constantly upping the stakes, almost like Dragon Ball Z, introducing bigger and stronger villains, until eventually the heroes were facing off against Lovecraftian entities like Galactus the planet eater; the Eternals did experiment with the cosmic side of the comics, but bungled the execution. Phase 4 seems to have overloaded the audience with content, the beginning of Marvel’s foray into television; catching up with it all is starting to feel like homework. Post-credits scenes aren’t teasing the arrival of Kang, but introducing new actors into the franchise, often playing fringe characters that are hard to get excited about. Starfox and Hercules just aren’t as intriguing as the old favorites; X-Men and Fantastic 4 are the next big names to enter the MCU, and the mere thought of them seems to be fueling much of the Marvel hype. Hopefully, Kang starts to make more of an impact in the next few entries, because phase 4 needs a strong villain to focus on; without that threat, the momentum is starting to slow down.

[@callmeej8399]

Man it’s funny I made a comment on that CGI video yesterday that “marvel has a writing problem” and then I get this recommended the next day haha we’ll there you go. Fantastic video man I completely agree I think both Marvel and Star Wars really need to spend more time with their scripts

[@Person-wz6iy]

Due to the things that the VFX Artists have been through recently. I'm finding it hard to look forward to future MCU content. Because since they missed 2020 they've been rushing their Films to get back the lost time. But due to the VFX Troubles it's making me question if Kevin Feige is really a nice person!

[@Augusto_Pinochet]

A nice person? Lol. You think that even a tenth of the people involved with Hollywood/moviemaking, are “nice” people? Your comment oozes with naïveté. These people look down their noses on everyone who aren’t famous, or wealthy. Lol “nice person”. You’re in for a lifetime of being let down if you expect everyone to be even halfway decent.

[@dnister_nymph]

Thanks for the analysis and for recommending the one on MCU’s CGI problem

[@RealKyndleNance]

I think Kevin Feige and company listens to the fans more so often than a lotta other big properties out there. And is as loyal a fan as any of us. I understand these movies make big money and it’s a business but I just hope that at least it doesn’t turn into something like Star Wars is today for example with the exception of the Madalorian where it’s quantity over quality or visuals over story telling and character and etc. Phase 4 to me still has me excited but at best it’s been a lackluster.

[@benhibbits5168]

Not really then they would start giving us good films that spend more time being made so we actually get a films that has a heart

[@a1997]

@@benhibbits5168 Fans during phase 2 & 3 wanted more marvel content like tv shows and stuff without thinking about the consequences. Now that they're getting them they're changing their tone. That's the thing, you as a studio can never win unless you make great content nonstop. And however great the studio is nobody can make great content nonstop. The sooner you realise it the better.

[@mahiyatsafiyullah7103]

I think the main focus on the film should be on the main protagonist they should not be secondary characters in their own films it kind of makes the film have no point or at least change the title to reflect the fact of the film being someone elses film

[@SmartypantsTutoring]

Writing problem. Cgi problem. Oversaturation problem. Uninspired filmmaking problem.

[@SmartypantsTutoring]

Overall enjoyed the first 3 phases, but I think they have gotten a little too comfortable.

[@ernestomiloli8414]

Misunderstanding of superheroes and morality problem.

[@HenryLouis21]

Rewatching this video now, the writing problem in the MCU is more apparent with how Marvel exec Nate Moore has admitted that they think a writer who is a fan of the comics is a massive red flag because they want people who look at the comics with some sort of disdain. After all, they want "new ideas" and people who are "hard on the material" which explains some of the writing problems in the recent movies. They are made by people who don't care about the material. I am fine with people who are not traditionally fans of the source material making some of these projects. Like how Tony Gilroy is not a massive fan of Star Wars and does not hold it in high regard as most fans do, but can tell a wonderful story because he doesn't hold any form of disdain for Star Wars and tells a story that is new and refreshing but holds true love for the material.

[@InfernoDelta12]

The crazy thing is this is an issue with Marvel in general not even just the MCU. So much of the comics that come out now feel like the story is already at it’s breaking point at the end of the first issue and then force you to slog through a slow and painfully predictable conclusion. Writers want to break away from tropes and subvert expectations that they have now become another trope that is tiring and makes wanting to continue a series harder and harder.

[@peytons3422]

HOLLYWOOD is having a writing problem. Everyone and anyone can be a writer nowadays and I’ve been saying it for a while, but everyone is just accepting and PAYING for mediocre written content.

[@waterking74]

The problem is Hollywood is giving a bunch of rando writers big projects/franchises

[@MRDLT00]

7:16 I mean, you just described all of the villains in the non-MCU Spiderman films. They are ALL just scientists/people got science fucking them up and driving them crazy, but not really bad so they can redeem themselves in the end. XD

[@EpsilonXenos]

As a kid growing up watching Marvel movies, I lost interest in them around 10 or 12 years old. Back then I knew that these movies were just getting milked and the stories, characters, and plots get less compelling with each installment. I never understood the fans of that franchise and am still deeply confused by the fans now.

[@maxleon61702]

You know what? Marvel Studios needs to learn from SEGA for once. Well, look at one of their stuff for references and well, we can't have too much of a good thing at times.

[@Seth_-lq1rr]

Just as Troy said, “do a transition” a KZbin premium ad played😂😂

[@bakublade1]

I agree that the writing has been a problem. But I don't agree that they have to be working towards the formation of a new avengers or some kind of event. Of course there should be a plan but if the individual movies/shows in phase 4 were good enough on their own we wouldn't be so worried. I think it is totally fine for them to double down on making good stories that are smaller scale. When they're dealing with ideas like the multiverse and time travel, the writing really has to be on point. I am quite worried that this problem is not gonna get better and the MCU will repeat the mistakes the comics have made.

[@joshmargolis1424]

Phase 4 has an editing problem. The films are all edited down to two hours despite the large scope of their stories and increased cast of characters

[@rickydinto]

250 millions dollars budget adapting very complex storylines in less than 2 hours movie, oh c'mon dude. No one could justified that amount of money in a single solo movie where last movies can't even break a billion dollars box office [Guardian of the Galaxy wasn't involved in this movie much]. They should've spend this budget for a 200 millions dollars Thor movie + 50 millions dollars left on full season of 4 very high quality anime series {Thor, Gorr, Jane Foster, Valkyrie}...😐

[@holdthetruthhostage]

As for the writing they had time they just have an agenda over the script

[@superkid801]

So I watched that video and then your video and I understand the points you are making. I've enjoyed the films we've had so far, but understand it needs to change and do better. It's been this phase has been, which does have its criticism, but I have just enjoyed them as any other person. We do need to hold Marvel in its criticism on some things that aren't working. This does make me think about those issues and I enjoyed both videos

[@mysterycupofjoe2670]

Marvels goal is to make the young Avengers. However, they are stumbling through and (as you said) undercooking stories.

[@WillTheGreatest]

Yknow as you spoke on it I think the primary focus for phase 4 should have been grief and moving on Sam and bucky losing steve Clint losing natasha Thor losing....fucking everyone tbh Wanda and her kids Strange and christine etc I mean the whole world lost half the population for years everyone lost someone so it's a perfect theme

[@AnalystOfGaming]

I totally agree with what you said. Now MCU is all about making more money by producing more movie/series.

[@dakotaloven1362]

I absolutely agree my biggest example doctor strange 2 the scene where Wanda possesses Wanda she was literally in the house with her boys her whole goal is to find them in another universe and bring them home to hers and live happily ever after she literally has the golden opportunity NOBODY knows she is even in that universe yet she really could’ve taken them there and left but decided for some reason to leave the kids she was fought and killed for so she can go have a flashy fight scene with the Illuminati can’t have that cool (not really it’s totally undeserved) fight scene if she just took the boys and left right? Yea that’s not good storytelling hoe bout they knew she was coming so took the boys under protection putting them directly in her path to the boys? Giving them all an actual reason to fight the Illuminati to protect the boys and Wanda to take them but nooooooo gotta have that fight scene first and the story after

[@samuel-uq5tx]

i'm so happy for James Gunn and matt reeves over at dc both doing complete opposites in storytelling helming two universes and series while having amazing films, actors, moments, scenes, and comedy. you can go to any scene in the batman and have a wallpaper you can't do that with a marvel movie

[@MW-dd8vk]

Marvel Studios just needs to have a long break to actually flesh out ideas and reduce “Superhero Fatigue” to moviegoers. That way the pay off will be well deserved

[@adriandenton6637]

Not going to happen is it.

[@MW-dd8vk]

@@adriandenton6637 Unlikely at this point

[@dwaynearthur1476]

You are Correct , they do not Deeply love what they are Curreny doing . It's rushed and no time is spent on Character development. Time to step back to successfully done Phases One to Three , take some notes...remember what they did right and build from there .

[@Shoe89]

I think they are doing secret wars as the big event. Loved the video! :)

[@GhostlyPhantome]

I really hope since Marvel will be at SDCC this year someone's gonna bring this up, and that we can get an official response from Kevin.

[@thesuperframe]

atleast a question on where all this is heading.

[@blandwagon374]

I think it went downhill when Kevin Fiege took over

[@daviddyster4145]

That's an amazing point, I left after endgame and I haven’t looked back since. I hope to see your Justice League movie pitch soon.

[@spideraty1529]

To add on to what troyboy said In no way home green goblin wasn’t truly redeemed when he was cured in truth he was actually killed Norman Osborn was still him the green goblin was Norman Osborn true self

[@BenJaminn90]

That new avengers team did so well

[@Benlovescheese]

They had a kinda clear goal (which has only just been announced) with the multiverse, thunderbolts and young avengers stuff, other than that a bit empty. But the thing is it felt more like Lego bricks rather than bricks if that analogy makes sense.

[@noaholson9047]

Captain Marvel was the point we’re marvel was going down hill for me

[@candicebeal1985]

It makes me pissed how they want you to have sympathy for people like Wanda and the flag smashers, who did a lot of nasty crap, and treat Thor like a joke.

[@gangang69]

This shit has been happening since the first avengers film

[@alexlemonds2838]

NWH is the shining light at the end of a very dark tunnel. Spider-Man is the future. Not just the college trilogy. Build up his corner of the MCU, introduce more supporting characters and villains from the comics. Do a TV show set in-between events of the movies, do specials, crossovers, spinoffs, etc.

[@kotisgalos8989]

That was an extremely accurate description of what's happening with Marvel lately. We need more such voices to reach the producers' ears.

[@mahiyatsafiyullah7103]

I think they should do the New Avengers like Brian Michael Bendis' run in the 2000's that would be awesome and it kind of works

[@judethedude5243]

I loved seeing a Collaboration with Troy! Another great video.

[@roger632]

Not to mention that it seems like they're just rushing ideas out there just for the sake of perking interest, (especially when they know the interest in their content is waning.) So they sprinkle in little random aspects in there, like Ms. Marvel being a Mutant all of a sudden; and while that's a cool and Interesting change, it just felt kinda shoved in there, as if they thought that the introduction of Mutants could attract more attention to the show, (even though a lot of people just watched that scene here on KZbin, but didn't watch the show in it's entirety. Lol)

[@jj22445]

Well said, I agree with pretty much everything. The only thing I'd change is I think Marvel movies recently have been lacking a good 1st act not 2nd act.: - Shang Chi rushes through his childhood backstory to save room for giant CGI monster fights in the 3rd act. - Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness tells us in 5 minutes of exposition that America Chavez is a new important character and Wanda is suddenly evil. - Thor Love & Thunder literally opens with a quick villain intro, Korg fucking narrating everything that has happened to Thor to "catch us up", and Jane having cancer all within like 10 minutes. I think this happens for 2 reasons: - In the case of Shang Chi, the studio would rather have a 30 minute giant CGI monster fight, so they sacrifice early pacing and character development. - In the case of Thor Love & Thunder, I feel like the studio is just getting lazy and doesn't want to bother with re-establishing a character that has already existed in the MCU. They just assume we already know the character and can therefore do whatever they want with them going forward. - And in the case of Doctor Strange, maybe a bit of both.

[@jaredgarcia8638]

Honestly I believe Marvel's writers should try their damndest to follow The Hero's Journey set up by Joseph Campbell.

[@ceeKay007]

That’s why people like Joker. He doesn’t switch sides and when he does, you still know which side he’s on. He’s a bad guy who does bad things because he can. He enters a room and you’re already scared everyone is going to die. That’s villainy. He doesn’t seek redemption or death but he’s not scared of any. If superheroes can do good things, why can’t supervillains do bad things? Like enough with the whole “life is grey” shit, we get it

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

Same with Homelander you know hes a bad guy. When people here his name they run. Just like Darth Vader. Now Marvel trying to make every villain sympathetic.

[@Hewylewis]

I'm tired of all the bait and switching the newer Marvel movies are doing, making the movie feel like it's about the title character, only to switch focus on a "strong" female character instead. I have nothing against SFCs, but not if they make all the male characters, incompetant, cowardly, or evil!

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Hey Hewy, nice seeing you here. This problem with writing their strong female characters as nearly flawless with sometimes bratty personalities doesnt just stop with Marvel. See Star Wars, Doctor Who and Star Trek Discovery. I am also just fed up with their gaslighting fans in the media. Especially now they're going for the 2010's leftovers. No way can they make Ironheart work in the MCU unless they get rid of her stealing Tony's tech to create her suit and her baiting her female teacher into talking her down to give her a goal to work towards

[@damiantirado9616]

I don’t see how any of them focused more on the female characters. Thor 4 and doctor strange 2 clearly where centered around the main characters. Yeah both of them had female sidekicks but they never actually took over the film.

[@damiantirado9616]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral but they aren’t flawless bro. Lady Thor literally died in the film, and America chavez couldn’t fight and was defeated, the entire movie was doctor strange protecting her. She wasn’t powerful at all.

[@adriandenton6637]

@@damiantirado9616 It was pretty much the Wanda show with everyone trying to sort out the problems she created because she was missing her robot boyfriend and her imaginary kids. The ones she made up a few days before.

[@optimascrime5235]

Honestly the best things in phase 4 Spider-Man no way home and especially What If other then that Mavel will ultimately lose to the DCEU or even The Batman movie's,if Marvel Studio's don't get thier act together they will be forgotten

[@nicolasdemarinis1509]

Honestly I think marvel should take notes from dc films where the themes are handled with care threats are identified and they work on unique shots and for the heroes to come out of place to everyone else and standout and not as relatable with layers and complex like superman in man of steel or Batman in the dark knight.

[@nowlwane9623]

Gor should have a point of no return when he kills one child that reflects his original goal. The temptation to kill all gods was too much and over shadowed the goal of avenging his family and he becomes worse that the gods who ghosted him.

[@ruthb7557]

Agree with this video 100% ... Marvel, watch this video!

[@kieroncampion120]

If you think Captain Marvel didn't have faults in her movie, you must be missing a chromosome.

[@shawnmendez257]

BROOOOO YOU DID IT MITCH! Nikolai is going to be dr. Doom!!!!! (Rumored) but I’m pretty sure!!

[@destroyboi16]

The Ultimate Duology: This and Troys vid>Infinity War and Endgame

[@TylerAStinson]

8:50 Listen it was the 60s everything in comics was very high concept and out there. Especially if it was from Jack Kirby. If there was a character with a tuning fork on his head you did not question it you just rolled with it and read on till the end of the issue

[@darianstarfrog]

Yea, but they were written well..

[@ANTSEMUT1]

And they'd be confident in said concept and not consistently undercut it for no reason.

[@TylerAStinson]

@@darianstarfrog your damn right

[@TylerAStinson]

@@ANTSEMUT1 your right long live the king

[@ernestomiloli8414]

Thank you!

[@skylarchungus9249]

YOOOOOOOOOOO MY FAVORITE COMIC KZbinRS DOING A COLLAB THIS IS AWESOME

[@kylecookie194]

“Do a transition” *does an ad break instead*

[@thesuperframe]

That’s all youtube my man, swear to god had no idea, burst out laughing when it happened to me

[@suto5704]

I agree marvel having a clear plan would help. But also I don't need phase four to immediately get my focus on the next movies or build up to the next Thanos I need to get invested into the current state of the marvel universe and be invested in where these characters are at after endgame. I want a focus on getting the audience attached to the characters instead of continuously hinting at future projects. So when the big team events do happen it feels like a big pay off. seeing these characters learn and grow through their own movies and then team up when the stakes are the highest is cool.

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

Yes, this is EXACTLY what I have been saying... I also think the Disney brand eating the marvel name has had a terrible side-effect... All of the animated stuff that had the marvel brand characters has also STOPPED... But that was the stuff that kept the characters "relevant" and got people into the comic books.... Now it's all got to tie-into the bigger picture (movies).... That doesn't work!! And the movies aren't "movies"... They are just "bits".... The only animated stuff containing the characters are "shorts" which are more of the same from the actual live series... "TUNE IN NEXT TIME"... It just doesn't work.. I mean for syndicated series it kinda does for an episode or 2, but for movies and ENTIRE seasons of series? Not so much.

[@atharvashinde4905]

If you look at pre endgame movies as stories of their own then they still have some substance to them but movies like Multiverse of madness aren't really good standalone movies the only reason they're successful is because they talk abou the multiverse in some way or the other. Each new movie isn't a movie in its own right it's more like an episode of a big show and even after so much time we still don't have a clear idea what marvel wants to do in phase 4

[@cyber6sapien]

After Endgame, Marvel should have started anew with Fantastic Four and the X-Men. This would have been easier than trying to build on Phase 1 which had already come to a definitive conclusion.

[@j2174]

The God Killer only kills two gods - one when he becomes the God Killer and then that giant beast off-screen...when Thor goes to find Sif.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

I don't think you give the general public enough credit. Yeah they're sheep who will eat the same food every day but if the food itself isn't tasty they'll only eat it for so long. I think the numbers will slowly go down and in one or two years Marvel will realize what's going on and make one of two choices: Either keep going and kill the golden goose, which would be both a damn shame and a chance for a new begining, or the (I think) more likely outcome that they'll scale back the number of projects to 2 or 3 a year and give them much more care and attention and the numbers will pick back up.