Miter Saw Dust Collection Considerations - 358

[@JackmanWorks]

You're starting to look just like like you looked when I first started watching you like 20 years ago!

[@dmaifred]

Yup I had to check the video date

[@AnotherScreenname]

keto works!

[@costwoodworks]

I was thinking the same thing, then it occurred to me....I haven't seen Cheez-It boxes in the shop in a while....

[@mikery2316]

I have a Delta 12" miter saw. Dust collection has bedeviled me for years. I have tried all sorts of containment measures, most recently the clever "box it all up" solution from Fisher Shop. Most of the dust I was unable to contain spewed sideways. When I switched from the original blade to the CMT blade you recommend, it made a HUGE difference. I would never have thought of this had you not emphasized it here. Thank you for the good work.

[@EvanDunville]

Cool explanation, the key hole slot is genius! I May have to use that idea when I design some dust boxes for my radial arm saws this summer.

[@laurentdavid8355]

definitely going to use the key hole slot + back panel. thanks !

[@jandrewmore]

Interesting observations about the blade and shroud. Most people just seem to throw up their hands when it comes to dust collection on the miter saw, good to see you still working to improve it.

[@stufarnham]

I switched to CMT blades a month or so ago and am very pleased. I think they are a good value relative to both cheaper and ore expensive blades. The quality is very good and the price not that much ore than big-box plates. Plus they can be resharpened.

[@billnoe8728]

I thought this was an old video. Your weight loss makes you look younger...

[@bigjim1408]

I just bought the new Delta 12" miter saw and it works great and very quiet and not much dust.....

[@sgsax]

Thanks for pointing this out. I'll definitely keep it in mind when I eventually upgrade my miter saw.

[@David-hm9ic]

Thanks, Jay! My miter saw has altered my perspective on dust collection into two categories; that which is easily cleaned up and that which is harder to clean up. The easy stuff is what bounces out front. The rest is what coats whatever is sitting behind the saw and what falls down behind it. That second group is where I'm focusing my efforts because a "whole problem" solution is too elusive. Sweeping the floor in front of the saw is easy in comparison.

[@EMTdrummer]

Helpful video... more importantly, weight loss is the first thing I noticed... I just lost 50 myself.... Now I have to look back at your vid list and see if you comment on video I missed if you talked about it...thumbs up!

[@kperellie]

Recently bought a new Makita 12'' sliding compound and it has duel dust ports and works very well. Certainly better than my 18-year-old Makita. Plus, the saw itself is awesome. And btw, your weight loss is terrific. Good for you!

[@krisbeatty547]

Thanks for the info. Always great stuff. Also looking good. I was at 210 15 years ago and did the same things and now my new normal is 175. Its great. Keep it up

[@kenmoore800]

I have a dewalt non slider setup the same way but I cut my wings so I can angle the blade then cut felt LVP underlayment to fill the gaps have it hanging like curtains on the back of the wings so the saw pushes it out of the way when angled seems to work pretty well, I don’t have dust collection but I have a box underneath that everything falls into. I like the keyhole slots great idea.

[@btrswt35]

A good saw blade makes a significant difference in vibration, cut quality, sound, and load on the tool. I used to think it would not be that much but after trying one, it's definitely noticable.

[@JDCrae]

I would look at modifying the guard so it stays farther up first, then, take a metal hole saw and cut a hole in the side of the metal upper guard, 1.5 or 2 inches. Attach a small collapsible hose to that that can connect through your enclosure to your large port behind the saw. Radial arm saws had this kind of dust collection and they worked pretty well. Last thing I would suggest is zero clearance tape from fast cap. Helps get cleaner cuts but will also help direct any airflow from the blade across the tape and toward the shroud.

[@neilscole]

I really enjoy your discussion of tools and shop equipment. I don't have a shop yet, but I hope to sometime soonish. Your videos are informative and inspiring. Also, thanks for including me and my pin-back button business on your website post for buying from small businesses this holiday season. Cheers!

[@danbrown3460]

Hi Jay, I like your Red Wing cabinet pulls!

[@Mekchanoid]

Good thoughts of the dust circulation around the blade. It's made me realise that my saw has to have a vac plugged into the blade dust port or the buildup will eventually cause trouble - the blade guard would have to be wider to work without a vac. One thing worth adding is that the spray can also be to do with the placement and direction of the motor vents. These seem to be designed to clear the work area during cutting, but perhaps a some lightweight stick-on vents pointed upwards or sideways would help to keep the workspace tidier and reduce the amount of fine particles in the air?

[@willheiberg9770]

very nice, like the keyhole. I did something similar and attached it with french cleats on the back side. great having a fast an easy solution.

[@easterlake]

I'm always looking for a way to minimize dust. The DC on my miter saw station is pretty good, but you've given me a couple ideas. Thanks. A couple of inexpensive or shop made handles would finish off those panels. Congrats on the weight loss.

[@An_Urban_monk]

I love your channel Jay, subbed way back before you got 10k because I love how logical and thoughtful you are about your projects, tools, editing, everything. Thanks. On a random thought on this vid, I'm not a fan of Milwaukee for woodworking. They are great tools for framers and contractors, but as you see from the design of this tool they don't care about dust collection. Why would they, contractors don't even clean up after themselves cuz it ain't their house!

[@martingagne3136]

I have the same saw , thanks for the useful info, always clear and logical. I love tour channel really helpful and creative. Building m'y shop right now thanks

[@ThomasCustomWoodworks]

Great tips and advice as usual. Thanks for sharing!

[@sakesan13]

Hey Jay, shop is looking good! I built my own version of your station and for my wings I used rare earth magnets recessed into the top of the backing frame for the wings and then attached washers to the back of the wings that correspond to the position of the magnets. Just an idea that I thought I'd pass on to you and your viewers.

[@82camino96]

I have a Tenryu Silencer fine crosscut blade, among many others. But, it really did cut down on blade noise when I put it into my saw. Significantly... Also, I found that blades that have what I think is called a “shear face” meaning the actual front faces of the teeth have an alternating bevel, (separate from the alternating top bevel), tend to be very poor for dust collection in a miter saw. It’s a bummer though because I feel that the alternating shear face teeth actually noticeably improve the cutting performance, but it really spits the dust out the sides... but all in all, the Tenryu Silencer series is definitely the quietest blade I’ve used in a muted saw... Love your vids Jay!

[@RCdiy]

I use a power bar that turns off outlets when the control outlet device is not on. The saw an shop vac are connected to it so the vac turns on and off with the saw. A second or two after the saw stops. Instead of a dust collection system each tool has their own setup.

[@markkoons7488]

Good video. I like your discussion. It is like personal visit to a guy with shared interests. Thanks.

[@theclaxton]

Another great video. Really looking forward to seeing what you end up doing with your assembly table!

[@scottgammel5771]

On your old miter saw the ridgid. Did you ever have any issues with that black arm that your pointing at marker 9:50 ever bend causing your guard not to function properly I have this saw and had to take the guard off because the old one keeps bending . And you can not find this part anywhere. Thanks for any help

[@ArpadBuildsThis]

I recently bought a makita miter saw, and it costs as much as the milwaukee, but has way better dust collection, and a smaller footprint. I would recommend that as it is comparable to the festool saw.

[@Erik_The_Viking]

I have a DeWalt miter saw which has terrible dust collection. Even with a "dust port", it does absolutely nothing. I also tried a shop vac with no luck. I ended up just positioning a Hefty trash bag around the back of the saw like a tent to catch all of the dust so it gets trapped there instead of going all over the place.

[@rmaloney9976]

I missed you saying what your doing to loose the weight. Obviously it’s suited you well. The saws turntable looks really small. The wings of the frame tapering into the pivot point reduces the surface area quite a bit. Can you still put jigs or stops for crown? Hold downs? The long arm and small round turntable remind me of a spoon, so now I have to call that your spoon saw. Good job all around, have a great Christmas.

[@seajan808]

Jay you getting cut bro !!! Keep it up !! Gonna keep up with your daughter Easy now . Thanks for video !! Appreciate your effort and have learned so much !! Aloha

[@jandrewmore]

Yeah, saw that too. Jay looks really good, whatever he's doing he needs to keep it up.

[@Heath3250]

Wish I had a nice station like this. I have the dewalt folding stand. Gets me by for now. “Free” with the saw

[@sibat777]

Couple of thoughts 1)you can get very thin strong neodymium magnets that could be super glued easily so magnets aren’t a big deal 2) I watched another video recently showing the two rear large baffles replaced with a set of heavy duty vertical blinds slightly overlapped ( not sure what they are called you see these hanging in some retail stores or workshops they provide a wall that you can just walk through by slipping between two of the vertical strips). Sorry not explaining what these are called very well if anyone knows what they let me know in comments below. The point of this curtain was that it could flex and seal more effectively regardless of the orientation of the saw, ie cutouts in the rear baffles to accommodate horizontal or vertical articulation of the blade are not necessary. You do of course need to make sure there is no chance of the vertical blind being entangled in the blade mechanism. Thanks for the video, I hope you don’t consider this post as a criticism just and alternate viewpoint for others to consider if building / improving mitre saw dust collection. Stay safe everyone and happy holidays.

[@Danman1972]

Looking great (thinner!). Been a while since I've seen one of your vids. You think about a knob on the front of the wing boards to make it easier to handle to get up and off.

[@rays.5800]

im not sure if you noticed but the scrap wood under the saw had the image of eye very cool

[@masterofnone87]

Looking super svelte man! Kudos to you.

[@1973Grejluder]

I was using a water hose to clean a broom. And I could see that when was hitting it there were not as much splashing around with water. Could the same thing happen to a table/miter-saw ? What would happen if the blade was running in close proximity to two brooms at a 90% angle ? What if the slot for the blade was closed of by a row of hair ?

[@richm9157]

Great video Jay! I like your mdf/ply shroud around the unit. Keyholes :-) I have the Kapex also, good dust extraction but thumbs up on your shroud. Thanks for the CMT 10% . Happy Thanksgiving!

[@ltnthacker]

Do you think if the replaceable throat plate was perforated, on either side of the blade slot, dust could be drawn down from the blade guard and into the dust collection? Just a thought.

[@charlesoliver5834]

Push-pull ventilation of the dust-particulate (swarf) generation zone is the most effective means of evacuating the swarf zone. This existing technology has yet to trickle down into the woodworking world. A positive pressure air injection balanced with and directed thru the swarf zone and towards the negative pressure outlet. For the offending miter saw 4 air injection zones; 1.under the table, this could entrainment that which makes the circuit around the blade especially if wider than the kerf where the blade doesn't pass thru table insert. 2. Two in the shroud 45 degrees to the blade, aimed rearward into a negative pressure outlet to dislodge gullet carried swarf. 3. Behind the fence directed rearward. 4. Behind the saw directed rearward. With the limited front opening the additional cfm and velocity of positive pressure injection will entrainment more air into the custom opening preventing swarf escape. These concepts were borrowed from existing industrial applications where they must capture all swarf, collect and separate it before the airflow reaches filtration and discharge. One of these days a maker will add these principles to his tools, and maybe manufacturers will recognize swarf as the health risk it is and incorporate these principles into their tools. Meanwhile it is up to thinkers who can get in the Magic School Bus and get into the airflow identifying opportunities to master control along the swarf path. You are the first to think about why the mitersaw scatters wooddust (It is that which is broken down that names the dust, not the process. Unless the saw is breaking down, it would be the blade, we should retire "sawdust, sanding dust etc.)

[@jerrystark3587]

Sweet setup. Well done!

[@whatsupwithsteve]

Great idea Jay, do you get any accumulation behind those wings???

[@HippyRandallRev]

Great analysis. You're looking great kid!

[@David_Powell]

On your previous video, you showed a port on the back of the saw that you decided not to connect. If that WAS connected, would it stop dust circulating in the blade shroud? In your place I would try a short section of 2" hose , attach one end to the saw and stuff the other end into the hole where your 4" (or is it now 6"?) system ends. That would concentrate the suction at the blade and still lower the pressure behind your saw to encourage dust to travel that way. It's an easy experiment, either way.

[@JayBates]

No. That's further down the system and has no impact on the head of the saw.

[@DavidHerrera1]

@@JayBates I disagree. I have this saw in a dust box like yours, with both the saw's dust port hooked up with their right-angle adapter flipped and epoxied on, as well as a wide mouth intake on top. I've never had debris thrown back at me. When you use their dust port, it catches and sucks up the stuff thrown directly back and it's less likely to bounce back at you. A zero clearance backing can negate this to some extent.

[@LogHouseFarm]

I mitre saw station is on my list, hopefully soon!

[@johnwente1413]

Hey, Jay, can you tell me why all miter saws are made for lefthanded operation? That has always bugged me. What I mean is, you adjust the right hand fence to be perpendicular to the blade, but if you are right handed, you tend to hold the material against the left fence and operate the saw with your right hand. Doing it that way means you really aren't necessarily getting square cuts because the left hand fence is determining the accuracy of squareness and it can't be adjusted (at least not on my Dewalt portable).

[@scottroy6195]

Sweet jebus man... Where is the other half of you? Looking amazing. Well done.

[@nicgibbens662]

Great video Jay, thanks so much

[@markclane]

Wow. Like the other comments, been a while. You look like a different man. Congrats on the weight loss Jay.

[@busybeckbby]

Cool tutorial...thanks Jay.

[@MRMcCormick]

Best way to eliminate dust from the miter saw....no miter saw! I sold mine a couple yeas ago, and don't miss it at all. But I don't hang crown molding all day, either.

[@kreparAZ]

looking good dude! great topics on this subject too!

[@bradmeacham6982]

You might want to add some vertical "D" handles to the removable plates inline with, or slightly inset from the screws. That'd make it super easy to do a one handed grab to lift the plates off their screws as well as put them back in place. Just a thought...

[@tomsdreamshopworx]

I thought the same thing.

[@stevejesus6525]

Why don't you attach a handle to the face of the panels? It seems that dust extraction happens when the cut is 90 degrees but doesn't happen when the wings are removed.

[@dgoddard]

This is one of those things I really need to work on. I have the Bosch 12" Glide and it does okay, but could really use a shroud built around it. It's on my list, but not super high on my list. LOL And where did the other half of you go? Damn, dude... you've lost some serious weight!

[@wolfman75]

Cool!!! Nice Job!!!👍😎

[@michaelmarshall7754]

May not be completely getting it here but not sure I agree on the dust bit. looks like you've got the vac set up for the box as a whole and not directed through the dust port on the saw, so the shrouds you have are now reducing the suction at that point? Would be interesting to see how a vac on the back compared or if you removed those shrouds.

[@JayBates]

The opening between the side wings is greater than the opening of the 6" dust collection pipe so there is no reduction. It's just concentrating the airflow to the center of the opening. Picture this. Place a box fan in your driveway and walk 15 feet away from it. Place the same box fan in a long hallway and walk 15 feet from it. You'd be able to feel the fan much greater in the hallway because the airflow is directed where you want it. Same concept with the suction here.

[@michaelmarshall7754]

@@JayBates agree with the box shrouds i am refering to the integral shrouds on the saw itself, i think they are acting as barriers for your airflow. Obviously airflow is pretty complex but the opening and pipe have high concentrations, the box itself has a low concentration (big pipe) and the blade shrounds direct a fraction of the low potential only. Could test easy enough if you have something that smokes.

[@shockjock35]

I seen another idea to run a dado slot on the top and bottom to slide the cover open like a barn door.

[@Todd22560]

Thanks for the video Jay. Noted. Todd in NH.

[@damianpeterkelly1234]

Do the blades, as supplied by any tool company, ever work well past the first three cuts? Every time I get a new tool a new decent blade seems almost obligatory....

[@raym000]

i recommend the festool, it comes with a top notch blade, and perfect dust collection

[@patniemczyk8860]

Great Info Jay... Thanks

[@peaceoftimber]

Do you connect dust extraction to your saw or the cabinet behind or both ?

[@lol224455]

Good quality. Good value.

[@stevejesus6525]

How about a dedicatec high power vac that is pulling dust from a custom made hood mounted inside the cabinet?

[@fuzzy1dk]

any way to add suction through the slot on the table?

[@crossgrainwoodproductsltd9230]

Jay, your the fourth person who has a love/hate relationship with their Milwaukee Miter saw. Maybe you could talk to the company now that they have outfitted you with their latest line of tools? Just a thought.

[@gordonclark7632]

How about making a couple of little handles to attach to the front of the dust guards on the side of the saw and then you don't have to put your hand around the ply to lift it off? Inspiration from watching your videos.

[@aaronallgrunn7845]

SO..... As much as I love the info of your videos, you have got to tell us how your getting more healthy. Great Job!

[@JayBates]

I've been updating in my blog videos. Look for the Jay Bates 2 channel or subscribe to my email newsletters at jayscustomcreations.com/newsletter.

[@akbychoice]

Looks great. One question though, you said it is MDF, is it veneered? It looks like 1/4 plywood. The key hole idea where and how you implemented it is great. As others have already said, you are looking good. Feeling better too I’m sure.

[@JayBates]

Yes, sorry. MDF core, birch veneer exterior.

[@akbychoice]

@@JayBates thank you, learned something new.

[@frameriteairdrie578]

10:46 It almost looks like that blade is made out of transparent plastic!

[@kahoycrafts]

Yup dust collection is pretty bad on most miter saws. I have a large dust funnel underneath mine and another hose attached to the port, seems to work pretty well.

[@shaunzz68]

Did you ever try the Makita 12” ? There dust collection looks the best out of the saw I’ve seen. Also as everyone else has stated you look in great shape!

[@crs1012]

Looking good Jay! Gotta live forever to take care of the fam 😉

[@masheroz]

What is your opinion on negative rake blades for miter saws?

[@JayBates]

Never used one.

[@patrickkellar6775]

Hey Jay, have you ever noticed your saw motor gets hot when making a lot of cuts? I have a brand new Dewalt sliding 12" saw and I made about 300 cuts last night and notice the motor housing was quite warm. I was wondering if its due to the fact that the saw is being used in a confined space (my setup is very similar with the dust shroud) Brushes looked okay and there was no arching that I could see... Any thoughts? Thanks!

[@JayBates]

They get warm. Most all electrical motors do. No worries so long as it is used as intended by the manufacturer.

[@Greybeardmedic]

Is there such a thing as MDF plywood?

[@pmdinaz]

Ill keep my dinosaur Hitachi ;) I know you strive for the biggest reduction of dust. Those wings sure do help! Pity about the throw at the front. I might have to splurge on one of those 72T CMT's

[@sparky1044]

Just an idea,maybe you could drill a series of smaller holes at the back of the saw to reduce the amount of sawdust coming back up through the guard.

[@mriguy3202]

the aluminum saw chassis might be weakened by that plan and it also might have an effect on the noise level. He could integrate downdraft dust collection in the stand though; the dust collection vacuum has plenty of air volume.

[@DKWalser]

You had the Ridgid saw for several years and said you replaced it because it had worn to the point of not being as accurate as it once was. Given this difference in dust collection and today's $400 price difference between the two saws, which would you spend your own money on if you were buying a saw for yourself? To you, is the Milwaukee worth $749, or would you buy the Ridgid at $349 and use the $400 for something else?

[@busomite]

Would you say the saw performance outweighs the added dust for you?

[@JayBates]

Yes

[@barrymaners5850]

Hey Jay, what do you think about discharging your dust directly out the building versus using filters?

[@JayBates]

It will discharge my air conditioning as well. I live in Mississippi. Hot and humid. AC is borderline a must.

[@TheDesertRat31]

Does this saw have the ability/option to loosen the detent plate for squaring? I have a Ridgid 10" slider that could only be adjusted by loosening the fence. Terrible. You had to have all the bolts loosened to move it, and trying to leave one on the end tighter, as a pivot, never worked correctly. That saw also had some flex in the slides. Curt ng perfectly square was very frustrating. I decided to go with DeWalt. Just about every trim guy uses DeWalt. Can't really argue with that. I'm currently building a modified version of your miter saw station and the DeWalt takes some creativity in positioning since it's so long behind the saw. The adjustment at the detent plate seems to be a much better method for miter saws.

[@JayBates]

Just the fence.

[@JimE6243]

Overall, how does the saw compare to the Kapex? I realize the capacities for cutting are different due the the larger blade. Thanks. JimE

[@JayBates]

I've made maybe 5 cuts with the Kapex in my life. I can't make that comparison.

[@JimE6243]

@@JayBates Sorry Jay. My 77 year old mind failed me..... again. . I thought you had one at one time. Keep the great info comin'. JimE

[@ltwoodproducts3265]

Thanks for the information from your review

[@paulsmyers203]

Does anyone (manufacturer) have some kind of air sprayer to clean the blade as it's exiting the material? If it was in the right place, pointed the right way, seems like it could toss the sawdust into the path of the collection system.

[@1Mellie65]

Hi Jay! At 2:10 mark in your video you are using a round, hand held manual, sander. My husband cannot find them anywhere. You, OR ANYONE ELSE WHO KNOWS, could really help me be an awesome wife at Christmas, if you could tell me where I could find them/one? Thank you for your time. He really enjoys your informative videos. Again, thank you.

[@JayBates]

Shop Smith brand. Bought a decade ago at Lowes. Harbor freight has something similar.

[@1Mellie65]

@@JayBates Thank you so much. Found the last one in stock on Amazon! Have a very Merry Christmas! Your beautiful daughter reminds me of our daughter when she was little. She’s now 28 y/o and a Nurse Practitioner. Time truly does fly right by.

[@michaelwood3421]

Great referral for mitre saw blade! TY. What are you running on your table saw ??

[@JayBates]

Forrest woodworker 2

[@michaelwood3421]

@@JayBates 30 or 40 tooth ?

[@hansangb]

Is there a reason why you didn't just stick a rare earth magnet on the side panels? Seems like an even simpler solution. Love your videos! EDIT: LOL. I didn't wait for the next sentence "magnets..something else to purchase"

[@EYALAVRAHAMI]

You have lost so much weight! You look great!

[@chriscampbell1456]

Kind of a shame on Milwaukee's part that a saw in this price category has such horrible dust management. Love the light on it and the digital miter gauge is convenient . But, the dust collection has turned me off on ever getting one. The way the collection is set up makes this more a contractor saw (mostly used outside) than a shop saw, in my opinion. Thanks for the FYI Jay. I'll stick with my current saw (Kobalt 12-in) with dust collection similar to your old saw that goes out the top of the shroud.

[@draggboy]

Looking good, man. If you care about clean cuts, accuracy, and dust collection, I don't understand why you don't just get a Kapex. So much work to still get mediocre dust collection and probably just OK accuracy.

[@JayBates]

10" saw capacity and the cost.

[@TheNewSouthernWorkshop]

Your dust collection on the saw may work better if you pull the saw down into the cut and then pull the saw toward you to complete the cut.

[@lebronjordan802]

You look slimmer Jay! 👍!

[@themrnorwood]

Is that Jay Bates or a young Steven Segel?? Looking good ole boy 🤘🏾

[@daveweber1331]

Gosh, Jay, you starting to head into drop-dead-sexy-looking country! I am both shamed, and envious. Oh, the stuff about your dust collection was good too. Lol! :-)

[@jimmylovesbikes]

You lost a lot of weight. Congratulations, great job

[@joelvandam]

Jay "ripped" Bates!

[@Wordsnwood]

Something else to watch out for when buying a miter saw... we'll see how long before you say "enough" and swap away from this. The dust issue is a big deal.